The North Carolina elections board declared this week that it has the power to bar Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) from running for office due to his actions related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. It insists that it can enforce Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment and declared that he is an insurrectionist. It is a position that, in my view, is wholly outside of the language and intent of this provision. Cawthorn is right to challenge any such action as unconstitutional.
In a filing to dismiss a lawsuit by Cawthorn, the board wrote
“The State does not judge the qualifications of the elected members of the U.S. House of Representative. It polices candidate qualifications prior to the elections. In doing so, as indicated above, States have long enforced age and residency requirements, without question and with very few if any legal challenges. The State has the same authority to police which candidates should or should not be disqualified per Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
The asserted authority would invite partisan and abusive practices by such boards. It is also wrong on the purpose of this constitutional provision. Moreover, there is a vast difference between enforcing an objective standard on the age of a candidate and enforcing the subjective standard whether that candidate’s views make him an “insurrectionist.”
As I have previously written, (here and here and here), Democrats are playing a dangerous game with the long-dormant provision in Section 3 of the 14th Amendment — the “disqualification clause.” The provision was written after the 39th Congress convened in December 1865 and many members were shocked to see Alexander Stephens, the Confederate vice president, waiting to take a seat with an array of other former Confederate senators and military officers.
Ironically, it was Justice Edwin Reade of the North Carolina Supreme Court who later explained, “[t]he idea [was] that one who had taken an oath to support the Constitution and violated it, ought to be excluded from taking it again.” So, members drafted a provision that declared that “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
The mantra that this was an insurrection does not meet the standard. The Constitution fortunately demands more than proof by repetition. In this case, it requires an actual rebellion. The clause Democrats are citing was created in reference to a real Civil War in which over 750,000 people died in combat. The confederacy formed a government, an army, a currency, and carried out diplomatic missions.
While Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell this week called it an “insurrection,” there are ample legal reasons to reject that characterization in court. (I agree with McConnell in his other comments criticizing the sanctions against Republicans supporting the House committee investigating Jan. 6th).
Jan. 6 was a national tragedy. I publicly condemned President Trump’s speech that day while it was being given — and I denounced the riot as a “constitutional desecration.” However, it has not been treated legally as an insurrection. Those charged for their role in the attack that day are largely facing trespass and other less serious charges — rather than insurrection or sedition. That’s because this was a riot that was allowed to get out of control by grossly negligent preparations by Capitol Police and congressional officials. While the FBI launched a massive national investigation, it did not find evidence of a conspiracy for an insurrection. Only a handful were charged with seditious conspiracy, a broadly defined offense.
I still believe that Jan. 6 was a protest that became a riot. That is not meant to diminish the legitimate outrage over the day. It was reprehensible — but only a “rebellion” in the most rhetorical sense. More importantly, even if you adopt a dangerously broad definition of “insurrection” or “rebellion,” members of Congress who supported challenging the electoral votes (as Democrats have done in prior years) were exercising constitutionally protected speech.
Before the riot, Cawthorn declared “The Democrats, with all the fraud they have done in this election, the Republicans hiding and not fighting, they are trying to silence your voice,” he said. “Make no mistake about it, they do not want you to be heard.” While he later voted against certifying President Biden’s victory, he also later signed a letter congratulating Biden on the win.
That does not make Cawthorn an insurrectionist and this Board is not tasked with enforcing the 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause. The board’s position is itself a threat to democracy and free speech. It is only the latest first anti-democratic measure being used in the name of democracy.
The board interpretation would allow partisan members to toss opponents from ballots to prevent voters from making their own decisions. That is something that has been a practice in countries like Iran, not the United States. Hopefully, a court will make fast work of any such effort in this case. If Democrats believe Cawthorn to be an insurrectionist, they are free to use that label in the campaign. However, the voters, not board members, should be the final arbiters of such questions in a democratic system.
The Founding Fathers were insurrectionists against King George. According to he Founding Fathers, the people have a right to revolt (to have an insurretion). They
said so, and this right is implied by the existence of the 2nd Amendment. So my point is that it makes no sense if people are punished for doing what the Founding documents, as written by the Founding Fathers, say they should do.
Paul,
I understand as lots of us had issues before this Fauci Flu.
I did get another air filter, from infowars store, about $200, for the bed room as most everyone spends about a 1/3 of their life in the bedroom. Easy to clean.
But also, everyone should get to choose who to listen to & med treatments.
I know groups of people here, Tulsa area ect., that got the mRNA shots/Booster & still keep getting it. We didn’t , didn’t get anything bad & have been staying up on certain extra vitamins.
My doc of many years already knew me so that helped. Ivermectin, Steriods.
Those Biden/Dems/Rinos currently have many of the helpful meds cut off.
Anyway among some of the many doctors that seem to keep calling that CV 19 treatments correct.
I keep hearing hit it CV19 earlier with the meds in the 1st 3 days or so.
It’s a huge subject. One of the main issues is that the mRNA Gene Therapies are at least some, they keep creating Spike Proteins that go through the human bodies causing clots/permanent heart disease, stokes & all kinds of trouble.
Pfizer, Maderna both this week added warning to the public/shareholders of harmful health issues, (cit., infowars)
As you may already know I’m not a doctor or a lawyer. I’m just trying to stay up with this issue.
I was reviewing this 1st video last night.
https://usawatchdog.com/vax-die-off-for-next-three-years-clif-high-1-22-22/
Huge Number of Vax Deaths & It’s Getting Worse – Dr. Pierre Kory
By Greg Hunter On January 8, 2022
https://usawatchdog.com/huge-number-of-vax-deaths-its-getting-worse-dr-pierre-kory/
“I did get another air filter”
Okay, did they permit you to buy an air filter without getting a Covid shot? Faucism must be slipping. 🙂
I liked that Air Filter more after I seen the working smiling type blue wave when the air was clean & the seemingly angry red wave if I caused the air to get dirty. And me & my wife’s lungs feel a bit better.
Canadian Govt Faucism:
I loved the video of the Canadian govt forcing some of the police to steal the truckers diesel, vehicles gas & fire wood & then the govt says they’re considering calling CPS because the Trucker’s kids might be getting cold.
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=44.7;-86.9;5&l=temperature-2m&t=20220212/0300
Thanks to Macron, we shall have peace in our time! Yay!
How many trillions of dollars have been spent on (read:wasted on) teaching history to millions of students over the years so that it wouldn’t be repeated?
A lot of good that did…
I guess that Putin didn’t get the memo that Hitler was a naughty man, not to be emulated or seen as a role model.
Thanks to Macron, we shall have peace in our time! Yay!
How many trillions of dollars have been spent on (read:wasted on) teaching history to millions of students over the years so that it wouldn’t be repeated?
A lot of good that did…
Looks like Democrats don’t believe they can win against Madison Cawthorn fair and square, and so have cheated to get him out of the running.
Karen,
Young Master Cawthorne is not shy or a wilting Violet….and has certainly stirred up the Republican Party both in Congress and at home here in North Carolina…..Tim Moore the longest serving Speaker of the General Assembly got his knickers in a proper twist when Cawthorne decided to change Districts for the coming Election (we gained one seat due to the Census) and poor ol’ Timmy had to drop out of that race. Since then Timmy has not been sending Madison any Christmas Cards.
https://www.queerty.com/north-carolina-republicans-declare-war-madison-cawthorns-ambitious-cowardice-20211219
Madison Cawthorn did not engage in any insurrection. He did not try to overthrow the US government. He broke no laws.
THIS is why the RNC censored Cheney and Kinzinger.
THIS is the full quote of their censor:
“Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger crossed a line. They chose to join Nancy Pelosi in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol,” RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said. She said she “condemned violence on both sides of the aisle.”
NOW, note how most of the mainstream media truncated her quote, ending at “discourse”, in order to imply that the riot itself was legitimate political discourse. That is NOT what she said. The RNC objected to the misuse of the committee to persecute Republicans who questioned election integrity, or who participate in the January 6th rally, not the riot or any trespassing.
The media doesn’t report the facts; it repeatedly distorts quotes in order to reverse their meaning. Another example was when the media lied and claimed Trump called Neo Nazis “very fine people,” cutting off the part where he said, “and I’m not talking about the white supremacists and the Neo Nazis, who should be condemned totally.” He was talking about good people who wanted statues removed, and good people who wanted statues to remain. Antifa, BLM, and Neo Nazis are bad people.
Aren’t you tired of being lied to? When will people hold the media to account? Cutting off the phrase “that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol” makes the quote misleading. It’s a form of lying.
If voicing concerns about election integrity, or believing an election was stolen, are seditious, then nearly 100% of Democrats are seditionists. They mischaracterized Georgia voting laws, pretending they were “Jim Crow on steroids” to require voter ID. Should they be jailed for questioning election integrity? Stacey Abrams never did concede. Hillary Clinton still does tours about the election that was “stolen” from her. Al Gore sued Bush, claiming he’d won. Democrats question every election they lose. Are they patriotic or seditious?
Hold. The. Media. Accountable.
“THIS is why the RNC censored Cheney and Kinzinger. ”
No it isn’t.
Cawthorn has nothing to do with the RNC censure of Cheney and Kinzinger. Cawthorn has not been called before the Jan. 6 Committee, and no one in Congress is persecuting him.
Actually, I find it a perfect example of, and I quote directly from the censure, “Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol.”
Democrats are persecuting him for lawful political discourse. Hence, the similarity. The persecution does not require the Jan 6th Committee to find similarities.
Karen, did you notice how you cut off most of the sentence you’re quoting from? Or did you simply never bother to read the censure measure in its entirety?
Here you go: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/rnc-jan6-resolution/2d6a07e7cf8d8cfb/full.pdf
Sheesh, even if you ignore most of the exceedingly long sentence, and you just focus on the one clause that you pulled from — “Whereas Representatives Cheney and Kinzinger are participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse, and they are both utilizing their past professed political affiliation to mask Democrat abuse of prosecutorial power for partisan purpose” — you should be able to recognize that Cawthorn is not part of what the censure measure addresses. The RNC does not call members of Congress “ordinary citizens,” and Cheney and Kinzinger are NOT participating in this issue of whether he’ll be disqualified in NC.
Again, you are wrong to claim “THIS is why the RNC censored Cheney and Kinzinger.” This has nothing to do with the RNC censure. Next time read the entire document before you make claims about it.
@5:43
The post did not make that claim.
Stop lying about stuff.
Stop lying yourself.
She said “Madison Cawthorn did not engage in any insurrection. He did not try to overthrow the US government. He broke no laws. THIS is why the RNC censored Cheney and Kinzinger.”
And that’s BS. The RNC censure of Cheney and Kinzinger had NOTHING to do with Cawthorn. I doubt that you and Karen have even read the entire censure resolution to understand what it was about.
“THIS is the full quote of their censor [sic]”
No, it is NOT anywhere close to being a full quote.
Jonathan: “Sad Sack” Ted Cruz was contrite last night on Tucker Carlson’s show. Carlson took Cruz to the wood shed and called out Cruz for calling Jan. 6 a “violent terrorist attack”. Carlson called that description a “lie” and asked Cruz to explain. Cruz apologized, asked for forgiveness and said the way he phrased his description was “sloppy” and “dumb”. Not the first time Cruz has been forced to admit he is “dumb”. Now Cruz says Jan. 6 was not an “insurrection” but “politically charged propaganda” used by “Democrats and the corporate media”. Cruz hopes he mea culpa will now get him back into the good graces of Fox and Donald Trump. Now it is abundantly clear you are not just the “legal analyst” for Fox but a willing accomplice to the networks own “politically charged propaganda”. Personally, I think Cruz got it right the first time.
Except that nobody has yet been charged with “insurrection” or “rebellion.” The most severe charges seem to have been “trespass” or some other misdemeanor. This is a political sham, and a shameful one.
Actually, the most serious charges to date include seditious conspiracy (https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1470551/download). The investigation is ongoing, and I expect that more people will be charged.
Quite a number of people have been charged with felonies, including many weapons charges. Take a look at the actual charges: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
Only someone who isn’t really paying attention to the evidence and the rulings by judges (including those appointed by Trump) thinks it’s a “political sham.” Whether it’s “shameful” is a matter of opinion. I think it’s shameful that people tried to prevent Congress from certifying the EC vote.
“Only someone who isn’t really paying attention to the evidence and the rulings by judges (including those appointed by Trump) thinks it’s a “political sham.” ”
It seems like you do not pay attention. I don’t know how many people were in the area, but the permit was expanded from 5,000 to 30,000, and the pictures show tremendous numbers of people. You are insincere because the problem most refer to was those entering the Capitol. That involved only a couple of hundred people without guns or anything of that nature. Most could best be called sight-seers with all the selfies that taken.
You are being deceptive, as usual, to impugn the reputations of good people who were protesting. You combine charges against the masses with those that entered the Capitol building. You want the percentage to appear higher than it was. Only a couple of hundred people entered the Capitol, and none carried guns. Many were far away from the problems, and some charged weren’t in DC at the time. Others were arrested on charges having nothing to do with their being in the area of the Capitol building. Some charges have been withdrawn, and many people have been overcharged.
In essence, you are trying to distort history through deception. That is no different than lying. That is your mainstay of argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_McConnell
I’m sure Kentucky deserves him.
DBB:
Maybe so but he runs rings around Schumer and the other Dim Flying Monkeys.
But not the Bright ones. 🙂
David, even high school teachers do not allow Wikipedia as a source. I am sure I have told you this before.
Paul Schulte —- Then do not bother to reveal, once again, your defective mental state.
The girl from the Progressive Insurance commercial wants to know, “Is that an ad hominem–you know, like the sign says?”
David – you still owe a slug of citations, etc. BTW my mental health is excellent. 🙂 As it always has been.
Paul, you remember, David does not. His bulb, which was never among the brightest, is rapidly fading out. Welcome back.
S. Meyer, Paul Schulte’s insanity is manifested by the every repeated claim that I owe him anything. He is incapable of recognizing that this repetition demonstrates a mental state worthy of the attentionof a competent counsellor.
Paul was correct. Don’t be upset that you took a position in opposition. You failed. He won.
SM
Just to get up to date with David.
David Benson is the God Emperor of Making Stuff Up and owes me forty-five citations (one from the OED, one from the town ordinances and two from the Old Testament), an equation and the source of a quotation, and his mental health professional certificate after eighty-eight weeks, and needs to cite all his work from now on. and is suffering from cementia
See, I told you that he was insane.
David, that is the sign of an excellent memory. I am not going penalize you for the time I have not been participating (though I have read all the articles). So, you are at 88 weeks as of today. It will be 89 on Monday.
I know the library is open at WSU and you have access, so get cracking.
Grow up.
Hi Paul.
I wondered about you time from time to time. Good to see you’re still around.
Oky! – thanks. I have been reading the blog, but not engaging. My health went way south when CV-19 hit and it is finally stabilizing so I can type. Mentally I am fine. 🙂 Hope all is well with you.
Paul, not sure why WP didn’t post here as I intended. I’ll just re-post it. (Save Often)
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Paul,
I understand as lots of us had issues before this Fauci Flu.
I did get another air filter, from infowars store, about $200, for the bed room as most everyone spends about a 1/3 of their life in the bedroom. Easy to clean.
But also, everyone should get to choose who to listen to & med treatments.
I know groups of people here, Tulsa area ect., that got the mRNA shots/Booster & still keep getting it. We didn’t , didn’t get anything bad & have been staying up on certain extra vitamins.
My doc of many years already knew me so that helped. Ivermectin, Steriods.
Those Biden/Dems/Rinos currently have many of the helpful meds cut off.
Anyway among some of the many doctors that seem to keep calling that CV 19 treatments correct.
I keep hearing hit it CV19 earlier with the meds in the 1st 3 days or so.
It’s a huge subject. One of the main issues is that the mRNA Gene Therapies are at least some, they keep creating Spike Proteins that go through the human bodies causing clots/permanent heart disease, stokes & all kinds of trouble.
Pfizer, Maderna both this week added warning to the public/shareholders of harmful health issues, (cit., infowars)
As you may already know I’m not a doctor or a lawyer. I’m just trying to stay up with this issue.
I was reviewing this 1st video last night.
https://usawatchdog.com/vax-die-off-for-next-three-years-clif-high-1-22-22/
Huge Number of Vax Deaths & It’s Getting Worse – Dr. Pierre Kory
By Greg Hunter On January 8, 2022
https://usawatchdog.com/huge-number-of-vax-deaths-its-getting-worse-dr-pierre-kory/
Oky1 – I DID NOT get CV-19, however I came down with some other life threatening issues, which are now mitigated for the time being. 🙂 I did get filters for the bedroom and office.
Nice words I can use them, LOL …… Now Mitigated Issues for the Time Being. 🙂
I know a bit about that, seems a medical directive & a bit of legal papers, a Doc, current Med Tech & a few priest/preachers only gets any of us so far & then we hope to at least get some face time with Saint Peter.
( I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to do that either! I really didn’t know was that drunk that day! I don’t remember. etc., etc….. But Pete ole buddy I didn’t know I was going to have a pop quiz today or I would have some better jokes, how about I come back in a couple months. lol)
We all just have to take the luck we get & keep moving best we can.
Mespo says:
“Mitch had the decency to retire from the profession before spewing his Dim propaganda.”
Because Trump will not stop lying, every Republican will be forced to take a stand. Repeating the Big Lie has became a litmus test to be a Republican in good standing. Trump will spilt the Republican Party because his ego won’t let it go.
Who is telling you that Trump is lying? Who is calling it the Big Lie?
Who says Trump is lying? 60 courts that dismissed his frivolous lawsuits on the basis of literally no evidence; the NY State Disciplinary Commission that suspended Giuliani’s law license for filing frivolous lawsuits full of lies about a nonexistent “stolen” or “rigged” election with virtually NO supportive evidence; fifty Secretaries of State, 26 of whom are Republican, who certified Biden’s victory; and dozens of recounts, re-recounts, and even the Cyber Ninjas, who failed to prove widespread voter fraud in Arizona, and who are now out of business. Virtually all non-Trump media call his claims of a “stolen landslide victory” The Big Lie because it is.
Where do you get the idea that he’s lying? Do you pay attention to him for some reason? I don’t understand this morbid obsession with what he says that so many Leftists have. I’m not interested. Why are you?.
As long as the GOP is in thrall to Trump, lots of people interested in politics will pay attention.
The day when my local “election officials” tell me that my candidate of choice cannot run because he holds “unacceptable” views is the day I become an insurrectionist.
The gaol is large enough for you to fit in too.
I agree with McConnell when he described the Jan 6th attack as a “violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, after a legitimately certified election, from one administration to the next”.
A good enough description.
More than a riot.
“I agree with McConnell when he described the Jan 6th attack as a “violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, after a legitimately certified election, from one administration to the next”.
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Thank God neither of you are practicing lawyers then. Mitch had the decency to retire from the profession before spewing his Dim propaganda.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to realize that the January 6 event was a protest which got out of hand, not an insurrection.
A historian or political scientists will do, or simply someone who grasps the difference between reporting and propaganda.
“…or simply someone who grasps the difference between reporting and propaganda.”
There aren’t many of them….and those who try are censored, smeared, destroyed in coordinated attacks.
“A historian or political scientists will do, or simply someone who grasps the difference between reporting and propaganda.”
It is practical for the leftist autocrat to surround himself with sheep to follow his lead where the sheep never think outside their limited boundaries. Take a sheep and place him in a good university. After four years, he will be an ‘educated’ sheep, not knowing much more than he did four years earlier.
After a career in university ‘professing’ I notice that very few goats became sheep and even fewer the reverse.
I don’t know that sheep turn into goats or the reverse, but I have noted a lot of academicians have turned into sheep.
S. Meyer, not “turned into” but “turned out to be”.
If you have something specific in mind, David, write more precisely.
Mitch was in on it, along with Nancy Pelosi and the other conspirators wanting to take Trump out. The whole thing was a setup. Pelosi and DC Mayor Bowser refused additional police or national guard presence on that day.
The security that was present opened the doors and allowed protestors into the Capitol where they did little to no damage! Unlike the BLM Antifa summer of riots, burning, looting, destroying, even attacking the White House and setting fire to St. Johns Church!
Those in black climbing the outside Capitol walls looked more like Antifa street fighters than any Trump supporter we’ve ever seen and there were few police trying to stop any of it. They ALLOWED it to take place!
They refuse to release the video footage from that day. They are witholding it from lawyers.
They are holding Trump supporters in prison, in the DC gulag, solitary confinement, not convicted of anything, blatantly violating their constitutional rights like totalitarian regimes would do to dissenters! It is a travesty of justice.
And what does Mitch McConnell do? NOTHING. Mitch is in on it.
They are using totalitarian tactics against political dissent! It is all aimed at chilling political speech in this country.
We now see a full-on assault –coming from our own Department of Justice– on our freedoms. Biden has now labeled free speech as a “terroristic threat” to the U.S. Homeland!
They have labeled Trump supporters as extremists and domestic terrorists simply by voicing their political views!!!
WAKE UP People!
https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-february-07-2022
They are trampling on our freedoms and psychologically grooming us to accept what they give us back as “privileges.”
Wake up, people! If you value your freedom, pay attention!
It is now a privilege to be mask-free — to not be mandated to wear a mask.
It is now a privilege to enter a bar, restaurant, movie theater, gym — when you provide your Proof of Vaccination card!
Wake up, people!
Why don’t you Trumpsters “wake up” to the fact that the lying narcissist you worship is nothing but a former television performer with a massive ego who lied about losing an election? There is no proof that he even could have, much less did, win in 2020. All polls predicted he would lose. He never broke a 50% approval rating in 4 years’ time. Our allies were alienated. He insulted other world leaders by calling them infantile names. The economy was in shambles. Unemployment was above 10%. Public health was in shambles. Schools and businesses were forced to close due to a pandemic out of control and lies about how serious the risk was. All of this was due to the fact that Trump has NO leadership skills, no vision as to how to successfully run anything, other than his mouth, proven by 6 bankruptcies.
Take a look at the current state of our polarized nation, our inflated economy, our confused public health policy, out of control crime, empty store shelves supply chain problems, foreign policy fiascos, on the brink of war with Russia over Ukraine??! — all going on right now under Joe Biden’s shamefully corrupt and incompetent administration…..it is best described in one word: Shambolic.
Pay attention to some of these people Biden is nominating to lead our agencies within the government. They are radicals. They are anti-American! They hate what our country stands for. They are communists.
Alt right news media must stop lying about Nancy Pelosi failing to protect the Capitol building. She has NO authority to do this. NO ONE “REFUSED” THE NATIONAL GUARD on January 6th. That, too, is a lie. The “video footage” comes mainly from cell phone video from Trump Insurrectionists, and thousands of hours of it have been released. No one is hiding anything, and the Capitol Police did NOT hold open the doors of the Capitol and invite the urinators and defecators inside, either.
There is no “they” who are “holding Trump supporters in prison”. Those who have been arrested went before a judge who decided whether they qualified for bail, based on past criminal history, prior failure to appear, whether they were on parole or probation, ties to the community, employment, and history of flight from prosecution among other factors. One of these alleged “victims” of constitutional rights being trampled on was out on bail on a murder charge when he got arrested. Democrats and Nancy Pelosi have nothing to do with whether the Trump Insurrectionists qualify for bail. Some of these “fine people” have extensive criminal records.
And, it’s not up to Mitch McConnell to do anything about this, either, because the issue isn’t political–it’s criminal justice. The Trump Insurrectionists were not engaging in “political dissent”. What was there to “dissent” about? The fact that their hero lost an election, just like the polls predicted? No. They were there because they believed the Big Lie, after “Stop the Steal” campaigns and being told to “fight like hell or you’re not going to have a country any more”. Trump also told them that Pence was refusing to “do the right thing”, so they erected a gallows and hunted for him, shouting “hang Mike Pence”. Some have testified that they went to the Capitol because ‘their President” told them they had been cheated, and that they had to “fight back”. What were the “political views” they were “voicing”? “Stop the Steal”? That’s not a political view–that is a big, fat lie, promoted by a malignant narcissist. There isn’t, and never was, any evidence of widespread fraud that deprived Trump of his “landslide victory”, because he simply lost, just like all polls predicted.
Polls lie. Nancy Pelosi lies. Joe Biden lies. News media lies. Statistics lie. The U.S. Government lies. Dr. Fauci lies. CDC lies. NIH lies. FBI lies. CIA lies. DOJ lies. Schumer lies. Maddow lies. CNN lies.
You know who tells the truth more often than anyone in Washington DC?
Trump. And the people know it. Which is also why he must be destroyed, crushed, never to rise again.
My opinion of your fact-free rants, Natacha, is summed up in 4 words: Garbage in. Garbage out.
And what is Biden doing? Besides his policy of leaving our southern border wide open to illegal entry with tons of drugs flowing across the border into our cities and killing our young people?
He’s sending out free crack pipes.
And face masks, and covid test kits….all made in China.
This is a classic Obama strategy, and one we’ve been expecting for a long time. Obama never won his Senate seat, he just never faced opposition because, miraculously… his opponents stopped challenging due to leaked, and semi-damning information.
The whole J6 effort is to paint certain politicians as insurrectionists and have them removed from ballots, thus eliminating the almost certainty of them thwarting the Democrat(s) who would oppose them. This includes President Trump; the 47th POTUS.
Obama did not beat Alan Keyes in the 2004 Senate race in Illinois?
Here is the Wikipedia page about the Jan 6 events:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack
Pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails make this more then just a riot, Jonathan Turley. The FBI classified the events as terrorism. Against the government makes it insurrection even if only a few a prosecuted for sedition.
Even Ted Cruz repeatedly referred to it as a terrorist attack:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/07/politics/fact-check-ted-cruz-capitol-terrorist-attack/index.html
Ah,Wikipedia,-that balanced,objective purveyor of impartial fact….The flaw in this argument is that, so far, there has been no evidence connecting the pipe bombs to protesters/rioters. Indeed, even Wikipedia admits that the pipe bombs were found outside both Republican and Democrat HQs–and the Molotov cocktail was found in a car parked outside on a nearby street. Are you open to the idea that this sounds more like outside actors/agitators seizing on a volatile situation in order to foment more than a riot? I’m not saying that that’s true, but I am open to consider that there’s no there, there, so far, to implicate protesters/rioters, or else they would have been so charged….
DofJ prosecutors are not done with charges. So far a few have been charged with conspiracy.
Charges? That’s a long way from a trial
Still waiting for the trial of those guys that are charged with attempting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. Your remember that right? A dozen guys planning the kidnapping, but the leader bailed out months earlier because he wanted no part of it. So the FBI agent who infiltrated the group, took over the planning and recruitment of more members to the plan because the originals kept dropping out. Turns out the final dozen, was half FBI agents or paid informants (one earned $70k for his information).
I wonder how many in DC were agents and paid informants?
Wikipedia lies about everything that is politically controversial.
If you think there’s an error on a WP page, nothing is stopping you from correcting it — except the willpower to do it.
If you think there’s an error on a WP page, nothing is stopping you from correcting it
Even you cant be that naive, so I have to assume its your usual lies. Wiki is hopelessly left wing. You could write a book about conservatives denied when the back up all their edits with govt documents.
Nothing outside the leftist echo chamber survives on wiki
I’ve edited WP pages, and I know that anyone who wants to can create an account and edit a page — preferably using a good reference, as lots of unsourced edits are removed.
As best I can tell, the only reason that it comes across as “left wing” is because people on the right generally choose not to edit it. Your claim that “Nothing outside the leftist echo chamber survives on wiki” is BS. There’s also a process for dealing with “edit wars” when there are conflicting views. You’d rather believe your story than actually put the time in improving it.
“I’ve edited WP pages”
We believe you, ATS, because much of the political discourse on Wikipedia is cr-p, not all that different from what we see from you on the blog. It is easily corrected but correcting the errors completely changes what was said. The co-founder of Wikipedia left because it became a left-wing spin machine. Anyone can look up what the ex co-founder said about Wikipedia by reading what he said in his own words, unaltered by leftists.
Several prominent persons on the right have commented how their material was not permitted on the platform. These are trustworthy people who are not liars like Anonymous the Stupid. Different processes deal with conflicting opinions, but some opinions from the right are tagged almost immediately after posting. The left’s spin machine is the ultimate editor.
Controversial pages are locked and can be edited only by selected eft-wing editors or (I left this out in the prior comment) or are automatically reverted if a certain portion is edited. There is no way around these blockades.
It’s easy to qualify to edit locked pages, you simply have to have edited non-locked pages a small number of times. No, edits are not “automatically reverted.” A given edit may be reverted by another editor, but if you think that the reversion wasn’t warranted, you can challenge it — the process I referred to earlier for dealing with “edit wars” when there are conflicting views.
The ex-founder of Wikipedia has a different opinion than you, as do many conservatives that are experts in their fields and have been prevented from providing their expertise. Your ego is enormous but fragile.
Yes, edits are automatically reverted in many cases.
No, they are not. There are bots that do some things, like trying to fix broken links, but there is no bot that automatically reverts edits.
iowan2 — “Truth has a liberal bias”.
Wikipedia requires references to the asserted claims.
Controversial pages are locked and can be edited only by selected left-wing editors.
Your claim that locked pages “can be edited only by selected left-wing editors” is a figment of your imagination.