We have previously discussed allegations that Marc Elias, the former general counsel for the Clinton Campaign and partner at the firm Perkins Coie, lied to conceal the campaign’s funding of the infamous Steele Dossier. The Federal Election Commission (FEC) has now fined the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign for violating election rules in hiding that funding. Elias has previously been sanctioned for his conduct in litigation and recently lost an effort to gerrymander the Maryland voting districts. The alleged Elias’ lies would ordinarily seem a professional liability for any attorney but they seem an actual professional attraction for Elias.
On March 29, the FEC imposed a relatively small fine of $8,000 for Clinton and $105,000 for the DNC. However, it is the basis rather than the size of the fine that is so notable.
The FEC found that Clinton campaign and DNC payments to Fusion GPS were funneled through Perkins Coie and Elias. As the campaign denied funding the dossier, these payments were concealed as “legal advice and services.” The FEC said the law firm, Perkins Coie, paid Fusion $1,024,407.97 for the dossier in 2016.
Elias has featured prominently in the filings of Special Counsel John Durham. The key to many of these operations is someone referred to by Durham as “Campaign Lawyer-1,” who is now known to be Elias. Elias was called before the grand jury.
It was Elias who made the key funding available to Fusion GPS, which in turn enlisted Steele to produce his now discredited dossier on Trump and his campaign.
“It was not just reporters who asked the Clinton campaign about its role in the Steele dossier. John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, was questioned by Congress and denied categorically any contractual agreement with Fusion GPS. Sitting beside him was Elias, who reportedly said nothing to correct the misleading information given to Congress.”
Elias also was the subject of intense criticism after a tweet that some have called inherently racist. Democrats used the recent Georgia election law as a rallying cry for federalizing elections by labelling the law, as described by President Biden, “Jim Crow on steroids.” Biden has been repeatedly called out for demonstrably false statements about the law. Elias argued that Georgia voters could not be expected to be able to read their driver’s licenses correctly — a statement that seemed to refer to minority voters who would be disproportionately impacted by such a requirement.
Elias was back in the news on another defeat in court last week. He filed in support of an abusive gerrymandering of the election districts in Maryland that a court found violated not only violated Maryland law but the state constitution’s equal protection, free speech and free elections clauses. The court found that the map pushed by Elias “subverts the will of those governed.”
It is clear that none of these controversies will alter Elias’ conduct or such tactics. Indeed, they appear to be a draw from some Democrats and the media. CNN recently asked Elias “what should we be doing differently” in covering elections. He chastised the media for not having enough of a a “pro-democracy slant,” which appears to mean a more Democratic slant.
After the FEC fine, DNC spokesman Daniel Wessel called the complaints over their hiding the funding of the dossier (and public denials before the election) are “silly.”
It has been a bad week for Elias, but these headlines only seem a draw for some in Democrats that Elias is the precisely the type of attorney that they want in case pursuing gerrymandering and election challenges.
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Why not RICO?! We have the predicate acts and the co spies y is so obvious! WTH?
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One can make a good case that the first justification leading to the current US proxy war in Ukraine against Russia (risking nuclear winter for planet earth) was HRC’s original lie blaming Russia for her loss to the likely all-time most loathsome candidate Trump. Russia spent like about $75k @ Facebook etc. in a race where the total expenditures were in the billions. So maybe .001% of the money spent caused HRC to lose.
When monkeys fly out my butt.
And yet, such was the genesis of the lie that the USA’s biggest enemy is Putin and Russia, which the Dems and many Rep. still to this day eat up.
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A company known as CEFC wired $100,000 to a law firm known as Owasco that was owned by Hunter Biden. Just to be sure that we know what CEFC is I offer the following enlightenment. https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1281291D:CH. You have to hand it to them, the Democrats are the masters of deflection with Russia Russia Russia disinformation. They really believe that they can fool all of the people all of the time because they are convinced that all the American people are stupid enough to fall for it. Present company on this blog included.
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“You can fool all of the people some of time. You can fool some of the people all of the time. But you can’t fool all the people all the time. However, two out of three ain’t bad.” — Brian Stelter’s take on the famous Abraham Lincoln quotation.
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The Federal Code for “lying to the FBI” doesn’t begin to capture the brazenness of spoofing the FBI into investigating one’s political adversary. Congress needs to get down to some basic lawmaking about false-flag misinformation ops that are corrupt and/or endanger public safety.
It’s shameful that the FBI has to reach for “technicality” crimes to indict broad, corrupt, ambitious deceptions such as Sussmann and Elias “lying to the FBI, or Hunter Biden for a FARA. As things stand, it is not illegal under Federal Law to plan to ignite a race war. Many have tried to foment one (Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, a few involved in Jan 6th, and Steven Carillo), yet none will be charged specifically with their apex intent.
As Putin has shown, big lies can be used to great evil. We need to keep our laws up-to-date with the threat posed by organized untruths as an avenue for fomenting mayhem. We need some red lines that rope off deceitful infowarfare from 1st Amendment protection.
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pbinca, let me condense you thoughts for you. pbinca says: We should remove the First Amendment from the constitution. You could have made your statement with fewer adjectives nouns and pronouns. The thing that always seems to be missing is who gets to decide what disinformation is. Hey dummy, don’t you understand, Saint pbinca gets to decide. Don’t you understand that Saint pbinca is amongst the anointed. Fall in line.
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You’re misinterpreting pbinca’s post. It sounds like a call for RICO statutes to apply when a group deliberately misinforms the FBI in order to get an unwarranted investigation started.
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“You’re misinterpreting pbinca’s post.”
No. Tit’s interpretation is spot on.
Power-lusters and rights destroyers always use this trick:
Start with a legitimate concern (e.g., deceiving the FBI). Then use that legitimate issue as a rationalization for sweeping government controls (in this case, over speech).
When one objects to the abrogation of free speech, the fallacious retort is: “So you’re in favor of lying to the FBI?’
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“[B]ig lies can be used to great evil.”
Tell that to Fauci, the CDC, et al., whose big lies were used by fascist politicians to cancel the Bill of Rights.
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China wired one hundred dollars to a law firm in the U.S. The name of the law firm was Owasco. Would you like to see who were the owners of this law firm? Check out the following publicly available documentation. https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_dc/EXTUID_2684079
“According to a receipt provided by the senators, the state-controlled Chinese energy company CEFC paid Wells Fargo Clearing Services $100,000 with “further credit” going to Owasco, Hunter Biden’s firm.
“CEFC operated under the guise of a private company but was for all intents and purposes an arm of the Chinese government,” Grassley said. “Hunter Biden and James Biden served as the perfect vehicle by which the communist Chinese government could gain inroads here in the United States through CEFC and its affiliates.”
Grassley said the two senators would reveal new records in the coming days showing more connections between Hunter Biden and the Chinese government.
“Bank records like this piece of evidence are pretty hard to deny and sweep under the rug. Our reports were chocked full of irrefutable evidence like this. And yet, the media buried those details, in an attempt to keep it hidden from the American people,” Johnson said.”
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Thanks for helping me out Anonymous. One more cup of coffee and my fingers will match my brain. Isn’t it strange that the MSM hasn’t picked up on this bit of info. There is plenty to see if one would just Google it. Of course it will scare the little fingers of the posters on this blog with a left leaning inclination.
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And of course the Democrats and the MSM are claiming that this is just Russian disinformation. I guess now that Wells Fargo Bank records are just Russian disinformation because Wells Fargo Bank is just an arm of the Putin propaganda machine. Hopefully the American people are waking up to the Democrats us of “Russian disinformation” anytime their caught gaslighting the American populace.
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“the sum was $100,000”
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Oops. Speaking of fingers before coffee . . .
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“the sum was $100,000″
From a *Chinese* energy company to HB.
While his father destroys *American” energy companies.
I’m sure, though, that it’s just a coincidence.
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The latest Trump scandal that isn’t.
I have zero expectation of mea culpas from the puppets around here that can only repeat what they are told to repeat. Having no ability to think for themselves.
Examination of White House Switch board call logs show no unusual gaps. (pay attention to the carefully worded accusations and you can see the obvious intentional lies created around this latest phony scandal)
A former White House staffer who served in the Obama administration told CNN that if then-President Barrack Obama wanted to make a call to someone from the Oval Office, he would normally ask an aide seated nearby to dial the person. The aide would then call the number and hit transfer to connect the caller to the President.
I was just reading about the recent bombshell that was not.
Of course this will quietly go away, no one will fess up to it, or print a retraction/correction for days if at all.
That is the level of professionalism in journalism nowadays.
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The PRA requires that all presidential call be logged, regardless of whether they’re logged automatically (like the ones that go through the switchboard) or not. The issue is that some calls that were supposed to have been logged were not logged.
Your CNN article says “the seven-hour gap is likely explained by use of White House landlines, White House cell phones and personal cell phones that do not go through the switchboard.” That only explains why the calls weren’t logged *automatically*. It does not explain why the calls were not *manually* logged, consistent with the requirements of the PRA.
Your articles says as much: “Calls also should have been documented in the Presidential Daily Diary, which is compiled by an Archives employee detailed to the White House. … No explanation has been given so far why calls known to have been made in the hours Trump was in the Oval Office are not documented in the presidential diary,” as required by law.
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Anonymous, were all the emails from Obama to Hillary Clinton’s private sever logged? It seems that you have no curiosity concerning this matter. You swat a Gnat on your shoulder while a Black Widow (Hillary Clinton) is on your knee ready to bite. You happily consume the venom for the cause.
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IdiotTit,
IF you want to know the answer to your question, THEN you should look it up for yourself. On the other hand, IF your question is just more of the rhetorical garbage you regularly spew, THEN I will not be surprised.
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Anonymous the Stupid is engaged in calling another an idiot while pushing venom into the wound for no reason other than make trouble and divide people.
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The media created scandal, to dominate the news cycle, (accomplished) was the 7 hour gap in the switchboard call log. An aberration that proves criminal intent. With full knowledge it was not an aberration at all. Facts all were aware of, intentionally omitted by the media. Democrats are forced to lie, because the truth never advances their narrative.
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“With full knowledge it was not an aberration at all.”
I doubt it iowan. Why would they have already known that the WH automatically logs calls that are placed through the switchboard but don’t automatically log calls placed through WH landline phones or WH cell phones?
The fact remains: ALL calls should have been documented in the Presidential Daily Diary, as required by the PRA, and we know of more than one call that was not documented in the PDD, so those gaps need to be filled in.
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Anonymous the Stupid is concerned about a 7-hour gap. The 7-hour gap by itself is meaningless.
On the other hand, when Joe is playing Pay for Play, ATS suddenly shows a stupid face and starts questioning why anyone would think something might be wrong with that scenario. When Burisma checks are tracked to Hunter, ATS looks with that stupid face saying there is nothing wrong with that scenario either. When the Hunter laptop is revealed, ATS says it’s Russian disinformation and then points to the 51 CIA persons that signed a letter calling the laptop disinformation. Nothing is heard when one of the 51 tells him it’s a lie. Nothing counts in the world of Anonymous the Stupid as long as he can lie and deceive his way to victory.
I don’t want ATS to jump out a window so that I won’t mention Joe Biden’s 10%.
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Hillary Clinton runs for President in 2024. Thanks to a new variation of covid released from a wetmarket in Ukraine, coincidentally near a biolab funded by Fauci’s NIH, and a new worldwide pandemic lockdown mandated by the Global Elite, the mail-in ballots are rigged to elect Hillary as President of the United States in a landslide.
During Hillary’s first night at the White House, the ghost of George Washington appears. Hillary is stunned by his presence, but asks, “George, what advice would you give me?”
“Never tell a lie,” George Washington advises.
“Well, that’s worthless to me. Be gone, George,” Hillary says. And George’s ghostly image fades away.
During Hillary second night at the White House, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears. “Okay, Thomas, what advice would you give me?”
“Follow the law and listen to the people,” Thomas Jefferson advises.
“I can’t believe the advice you so-called founding fathers give. Totally worthless. Be gone, Thomas,” Hillary says. Thomas Jefferson’s ghost fades away.
At Hillary’s third night at the White House, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln appears. “Well, Abe, I hope that you finally have some good advice to give me. What is it?” Hillary asks.
“Go to the theater.”
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“Times reporter Maggie Haberman declared, ‘Folks involved in funding this lied about it, and with sanctimony, for a year.’”
In saner times, Maggie would have gotten a Pulitzer for that quote alone; unfortunately, Pulitzers are only given to sanctimonious liars. That is today a documented fact.
I strongly suspect John Podesta of organizing a cabal of radicalized generals to draw up a plan for the next civil war. I know that is only a conspiracy theory, but these theories have proven far more reliable than the New York Times.
Finally, Fauci means “jaws” in Italian. I wish Dr. Jaws would shut his Fauci.
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As for Elias, there’s an old joke: “If you want to know what God thinks of money, look who he gives it to.”
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What Elias and the Democrats tried to do is to win an election with a made up Dossier. Then after the election they worked to undermine the administration of President Trump with the same document and by extension smear all Republicans. Now when even The New York Times and The Washington Post have admitted that the Steele Dossier was a pack of lies and a court has found the liars guilty the Democrats try to continue the charade. The use of the Dossier was an attempt to steal an election. Then after the election they tried to destroy the President who had been elected using the same piece of made up vomit. This was not only an attempt to steal an election but to also formulate a coup. You want to talk about a “Big Steal.” The Jan 6 riot lasted only part of one day but the coup attempt by The Democratic Party continued for five years. They think that it’s their nation but as much as they don’t like it it’s your nation and you need to protect it.
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The FEC is not a court, so “a court has found the liars guilty” is a figment of your imagination.
There was no “coup” against Trump. The Steele Dossier was not the origin or the primary evidence in the Mueller investigation, and the Steele Dossier played no role in either impeachment.
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This statement comes from a person who has been wrong on virtually every major discussion on this blog. He was even wrong on the Steele Dossier. He’s a liar.
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Is this Elias?
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More and more Democrats are trying to distance themselves from the stigma of being called progressive. That’s funny. Democrats rebranded only a few short years ago to escape the stigma that had attached to their use of the term liberal. It doesn’t matter what they call themselves. No matter how hard they try, they will never escape the stigma of their failed, divisive, ideology. The stigma of being Democrats.
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“THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A SOCIAL WORLD.”
– KARL MARX
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There are actual Americans who strictly adhere to the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Then there are “fake” Americans who adhere to the Communist Manifesto.
The first “fake” American to adhere to the Communist Manifesto was Abraham Lincoln, who proudly received a letter of congratulation and commendation from Karl Marx himself for initiating “…the reconstruction of a social world.”
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“These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”
– Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837
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“Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.”
– Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincoln’s assistant secretary of war, 1848
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“The goal of Socialism is Communism.”
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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“The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.”
– Karl Marx and the First International Workingmen’s Association to Lincoln, 1864
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Why Dems keep hiring Elias? Caligula (wonderfully played by John Hurt in the BBC’s production of “I, Claudius”) has the answer: “Find a dog to eat a dog.”
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“I, Claudius”
That is a great, dramatic series. Derek Jacobi is masterful as Claudius.
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Sam – I, Claudius had an all-star cast and brilliant writing to transfer the books to screen. 🙂
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PS: And great directors.
At first I thought: “Oh, no. Not another episodic history series.”
Boy, was I wrong. The conflicts were riveting. And the themes universal.
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Sam – did you read to two books it was based on? I, Claudius and Claudius the God? Brian Blessed as Augustus, Sian Phillips as Livia, John Baker as Tiberius, Patrick Stewart as Sejanus all made for a tense evening in which you never knew who was going to die and how. 😉
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“[D]id you read to two books it was based on? I, Claudius and Claudius the God?”
The Graves novels? I did not. Are they as good as the BBC series?
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Sam – The Graves novels a great historical fiction.
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Let’s just think about Mr. Elias. He got up every morning to put on his thousand dollar suit. He tied his two hundred dollar tie. Then he buffed his five hundred dollar shoes. His maid made him breakfast then he strolled out to his one hundred and fifty thousand dollar Mercedes Benz and all along he knew that the Steele Dossier was a bunch of BS. He looked at his Rolex watched and he knew he’d be right on time to kiss Hillary’s derriere. Oh my exclaimed Hillary, two kisses for me! Here’s another million bucks Marky. I like your BS very much. How can you handle such a heavy shovel. Oh, don’t pay any attention if someone calls you a deplorable.
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Perfect — except for this: “he buffed.”
Chosen Ones do *not* buff.
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“Elias has previously been sanctioned for his conduct in litigation and recently lost an effort to gerrymander the Maryland voting districts. The alleged Elias’ lies would ordinarily seem a professional liability for any attorney but they seem an actual professional attraction for Elias.”
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That’s a funny line but a sad commentary on his clients. To say “Elias lies” is to say “water is wet.”
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I agree. No one is above the law. Let’s hope all wrongdoers are prosecuted whichever their political party. But I will note in Elias’ case, Turley spoke more like a prosecutor than his usual bent as a defense counsel. We know there is bad blood between the two.
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You’re absolutely right, Jeff.
We know that Elias and and his partner Sussman didn’t work alone. They were complicit with their client Hillary, the DNC, and their collaborators inside and outside of government to foist the Russia collusion hoax on the American public. To promote the blatantly false server story, To use the manufactured Steele Dossier as a tool to convince the secret FISA courts to spy on the Trump campaign. All in a desperate attempt to take down their political opponent.
It is far and away the worst scandal in American political history. For six long years, they almost got away with it. But the truth is coming out.
You’re absolutely right, Jeff. The wrongdoers should all be investigated and prosecuted.
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Epstein,
As well as the truth that is coming out that Putin has been blackmailing Trump with the clandestine video of Trump’s 2 prostitutes urinating on the bed that Obama slept on in a Moscow hotel.
Epstein did kill himself, by the way
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Yet another blatant falsehood is your claim that no one is above the law. The progressive elite work to protect their own and to punish their political enemies.
For six long years, the Hillary and her Democrat co-conspirators have used every tool at their disposal to destroy President Trump. They won’t stop as long as he is threat to their political power. They’ve even spent the last thirty years trying to destroy Clarence Thomas. His crime? Being an exemplary person, an outstanding jurist, and a black man who doesn’t carry water for the progressive Democrat cause.
Let’s not even start on Joseph Robinette Biden and the corruption that is endemic to crack-addled Hunter and the Biden family. The Democrats, with the full support of the leftist media and national security establishment, did their best to bury the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop until after Joe was installed as President. Biden and his family were paid off by Burisma and the Ukrainians, in bed with the Russians, and neck deep in influence payments from the Chinese. Talk about compromised. Yet we’re supposed to trust Joe ‘the Big Guy’ Biden to lead our nation in the face of the Russia-Ukraine war. Seriously?
Why is the Democrat controlled media only now acknowledging the truth? Likely because Biden has become a millstone around the Democrat party’s neck as they try to salvage what’s left of their hopes for the 2022 midterms. It’s the same playbook they used with Andrew Cuomo when he outlived his usefulness.
No one is above the law? If not, then Hillary, Biden and the whole lot of them are doing their best to test the absolute limits.
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Let’s just say that I disagree with every single statement you have made.
Epstein killed himself because he had absolutely nothing to live for since he knew he would never get out of jail for the rest of his life which prospect was intolerable given the privileged life he had led until then.
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JeffSilberman, Professor Turley may indeed have bad blood with Elias. What honest lawyer wouldn’t have bad blood with Elias. The question is, why don’t you have bad blood with Elias. Maybe he’s your BFF.
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TiT fairly asks:
“The question is, why don’t you have bad blood with Elias?”
Because Elias has never taken a cheap shot at me as he did Turley:
“If Turley is upset that my firm and I represent a governor campaign in VA, boy is he going to be upset when he finds out about the hundreds of Senate and House campaigns, Democratic Party orgs and PACs! I continue to live rent free in this dimwitted blowhard’s head rent free.”
It’s perfectly understandable that Turley bears a grudge against Elias. It is very difficult to rise above such an unwarranted personal attack to Elias’s 650k followers. I don’t respect Elias.
Then you query:
“Maybe he’s your BFF.”
Grow up.
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Jeff, I repeat my earlier comment.
Elias is a FU**ING JAG**F
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Can I buy a vowel?
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Good. I want all politicians/organizations who break election laws to be fined (or charged, if the law is criminal rather than civil). I hope they also fine Trump for breaking election law in his illegal arrangement with Michael Cohen, who already went to jail for his part in the crime.
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“I want all politicians/organizations who break election laws to be fined (or charged,”
No, you don’t. What you said was a lie. You have no interest in the law unless it serves you.
Trump broke no significant election law with Michael Cohen.
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Only a troll would pretend to know my beliefs better than I do. You are such a troll.
Michael Cohen was convicted of 2016 campaign finance law violations that included paying $130K hush money to Stormy Daniels, a campaign loan for which Cohen was repaid — plus a huge bonus — over the course of 2017, including via checks signed by Trump himself. Trump’s lawyer Giuliani admitted to Trump reimbursing Cohen for Cohen’s illegal campaign loan. Trump’s failure to report the loan (from Cohen to the campaign) and failure to report the loan repayments are themselves campaign finance violations. Trump also lied about his liability to Cohen by omitting the required declaration of liability from Trump’s 2017 financial disclosure form (OGE form 278e) and then after being caught in that illegal omission, Trump made a false declaration on his 2018 financial disclosure form about the total amount of the liability, in both cases certifying that the forms were accurate when they were not. Knowingly and willfully omitting or falsifying information that’s required to be reported on form 278 is also illegal.
But you will never admit to Trump having broken the law, because you’re a Trumpist.
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You lie, plain and simple. One can read what you write and get all they need to know, who and what you are. It isn’t pretty.
Trump hasn’t been 100% correct, but he has been far more honest than any Democrat I can think of, and he has done more for the country than any Democrat in the House or Senate. If you think he is guilty of significant crimes, prove to us what that is and its significance. Until then, you remain Anonymous the Stupid.
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You’re Meyer the Troll Liar.
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You’re Seth Warner, Svelaz, West Hollywood Nail Salon Owner and a Drag War all mixed into one sack of falsies and really bad wigs. Have you no decency Ru Paul wannabe?
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Anonymous the Stupid, you can do better than that. Where are all your pretend friends? Cal them in to pat you on the back.
Why not RICO?! We have the predicate acts and the co spies y is so obvious! WTH?
One can make a good case that the first justification leading to the current US proxy war in Ukraine against Russia (risking nuclear winter for planet earth) was HRC’s original lie blaming Russia for her loss to the likely all-time most loathsome candidate Trump. Russia spent like about $75k @ Facebook etc. in a race where the total expenditures were in the billions. So maybe .001% of the money spent caused HRC to lose.
When monkeys fly out my butt.
And yet, such was the genesis of the lie that the USA’s biggest enemy is Putin and Russia, which the Dems and many Rep. still to this day eat up.
A company known as CEFC wired $100,000 to a law firm known as Owasco that was owned by Hunter Biden. Just to be sure that we know what CEFC is I offer the following enlightenment. https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1281291D:CH. You have to hand it to them, the Democrats are the masters of deflection with Russia Russia Russia disinformation. They really believe that they can fool all of the people all of the time because they are convinced that all the American people are stupid enough to fall for it. Present company on this blog included.
“You can fool all of the people some of time. You can fool some of the people all of the time. But you can’t fool all the people all the time. However, two out of three ain’t bad.” — Brian Stelter’s take on the famous Abraham Lincoln quotation.
The Federal Code for “lying to the FBI” doesn’t begin to capture the brazenness of spoofing the FBI into investigating one’s political adversary. Congress needs to get down to some basic lawmaking about false-flag misinformation ops that are corrupt and/or endanger public safety.
It’s shameful that the FBI has to reach for “technicality” crimes to indict broad, corrupt, ambitious deceptions such as Sussmann and Elias “lying to the FBI, or Hunter Biden for a FARA. As things stand, it is not illegal under Federal Law to plan to ignite a race war. Many have tried to foment one (Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, a few involved in Jan 6th, and Steven Carillo), yet none will be charged specifically with their apex intent.
As Putin has shown, big lies can be used to great evil. We need to keep our laws up-to-date with the threat posed by organized untruths as an avenue for fomenting mayhem. We need some red lines that rope off deceitful infowarfare from 1st Amendment protection.
pbinca, let me condense you thoughts for you. pbinca says: We should remove the First Amendment from the constitution. You could have made your statement with fewer adjectives nouns and pronouns. The thing that always seems to be missing is who gets to decide what disinformation is. Hey dummy, don’t you understand, Saint pbinca gets to decide. Don’t you understand that Saint pbinca is amongst the anointed. Fall in line.
You’re misinterpreting pbinca’s post. It sounds like a call for RICO statutes to apply when a group deliberately misinforms the FBI in order to get an unwarranted investigation started.
“You’re misinterpreting pbinca’s post.”
No. Tit’s interpretation is spot on.
Power-lusters and rights destroyers always use this trick:
Start with a legitimate concern (e.g., deceiving the FBI). Then use that legitimate issue as a rationalization for sweeping government controls (in this case, over speech).
When one objects to the abrogation of free speech, the fallacious retort is: “So you’re in favor of lying to the FBI?’
“[B]ig lies can be used to great evil.”
Tell that to Fauci, the CDC, et al., whose big lies were used by fascist politicians to cancel the Bill of Rights.
China wired one hundred dollars to a law firm in the U.S. The name of the law firm was Owasco. Would you like to see who were the owners of this law firm? Check out the following publicly available documentation. https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_dc/EXTUID_2684079
Good catch. However the sum was $100,000
https://news.yahoo.com/sens-grassley-johnson-allege-100-233828175.html
“According to a receipt provided by the senators, the state-controlled Chinese energy company CEFC paid Wells Fargo Clearing Services $100,000 with “further credit” going to Owasco, Hunter Biden’s firm.
“CEFC operated under the guise of a private company but was for all intents and purposes an arm of the Chinese government,” Grassley said. “Hunter Biden and James Biden served as the perfect vehicle by which the communist Chinese government could gain inroads here in the United States through CEFC and its affiliates.”
Grassley said the two senators would reveal new records in the coming days showing more connections between Hunter Biden and the Chinese government.
“Bank records like this piece of evidence are pretty hard to deny and sweep under the rug. Our reports were chocked full of irrefutable evidence like this. And yet, the media buried those details, in an attempt to keep it hidden from the American people,” Johnson said.”
Thanks for helping me out Anonymous. One more cup of coffee and my fingers will match my brain. Isn’t it strange that the MSM hasn’t picked up on this bit of info. There is plenty to see if one would just Google it. Of course it will scare the little fingers of the posters on this blog with a left leaning inclination.
And of course the Democrats and the MSM are claiming that this is just Russian disinformation. I guess now that Wells Fargo Bank records are just Russian disinformation because Wells Fargo Bank is just an arm of the Putin propaganda machine. Hopefully the American people are waking up to the Democrats us of “Russian disinformation” anytime their caught gaslighting the American populace.
“the sum was $100,000”
Oops. Speaking of fingers before coffee . . .
“the sum was $100,000″
From a *Chinese* energy company to HB.
While his father destroys *American” energy companies.
I’m sure, though, that it’s just a coincidence.
The latest Trump scandal that isn’t.
I have zero expectation of mea culpas from the puppets around here that can only repeat what they are told to repeat. Having no ability to think for themselves.
Examination of White House Switch board call logs show no unusual gaps. (pay attention to the carefully worded accusations and you can see the obvious intentional lies created around this latest phony scandal)
A former White House staffer who served in the Obama administration told CNN that if then-President Barrack Obama wanted to make a call to someone from the Oval Office, he would normally ask an aide seated nearby to dial the person. The aide would then call the number and hit transfer to connect the caller to the President.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/31/politics/mystery-call-gap-trump-jan-6-white-house-phone-logs/index.html
I was just reading about the recent bombshell that was not.
Of course this will quietly go away, no one will fess up to it, or print a retraction/correction for days if at all.
That is the level of professionalism in journalism nowadays.
The PRA requires that all presidential call be logged, regardless of whether they’re logged automatically (like the ones that go through the switchboard) or not. The issue is that some calls that were supposed to have been logged were not logged.
Your CNN article says “the seven-hour gap is likely explained by use of White House landlines, White House cell phones and personal cell phones that do not go through the switchboard.” That only explains why the calls weren’t logged *automatically*. It does not explain why the calls were not *manually* logged, consistent with the requirements of the PRA.
Your articles says as much: “Calls also should have been documented in the Presidential Daily Diary, which is compiled by an Archives employee detailed to the White House. … No explanation has been given so far why calls known to have been made in the hours Trump was in the Oval Office are not documented in the presidential diary,” as required by law.
Anonymous, were all the emails from Obama to Hillary Clinton’s private sever logged? It seems that you have no curiosity concerning this matter. You swat a Gnat on your shoulder while a Black Widow (Hillary Clinton) is on your knee ready to bite. You happily consume the venom for the cause.
IdiotTit,
IF you want to know the answer to your question, THEN you should look it up for yourself. On the other hand, IF your question is just more of the rhetorical garbage you regularly spew, THEN I will not be surprised.
Anonymous the Stupid is engaged in calling another an idiot while pushing venom into the wound for no reason other than make trouble and divide people.
The media created scandal, to dominate the news cycle, (accomplished) was the 7 hour gap in the switchboard call log. An aberration that proves criminal intent. With full knowledge it was not an aberration at all. Facts all were aware of, intentionally omitted by the media. Democrats are forced to lie, because the truth never advances their narrative.
“With full knowledge it was not an aberration at all.”
I doubt it iowan. Why would they have already known that the WH automatically logs calls that are placed through the switchboard but don’t automatically log calls placed through WH landline phones or WH cell phones?
The fact remains: ALL calls should have been documented in the Presidential Daily Diary, as required by the PRA, and we know of more than one call that was not documented in the PDD, so those gaps need to be filled in.
Anonymous the Stupid is concerned about a 7-hour gap. The 7-hour gap by itself is meaningless.
On the other hand, when Joe is playing Pay for Play, ATS suddenly shows a stupid face and starts questioning why anyone would think something might be wrong with that scenario. When Burisma checks are tracked to Hunter, ATS looks with that stupid face saying there is nothing wrong with that scenario either. When the Hunter laptop is revealed, ATS says it’s Russian disinformation and then points to the 51 CIA persons that signed a letter calling the laptop disinformation. Nothing is heard when one of the 51 tells him it’s a lie. Nothing counts in the world of Anonymous the Stupid as long as he can lie and deceive his way to victory.
I don’t want ATS to jump out a window so that I won’t mention Joe Biden’s 10%.
Hillary Clinton runs for President in 2024. Thanks to a new variation of covid released from a wetmarket in Ukraine, coincidentally near a biolab funded by Fauci’s NIH, and a new worldwide pandemic lockdown mandated by the Global Elite, the mail-in ballots are rigged to elect Hillary as President of the United States in a landslide.
During Hillary’s first night at the White House, the ghost of George Washington appears. Hillary is stunned by his presence, but asks, “George, what advice would you give me?”
“Never tell a lie,” George Washington advises.
“Well, that’s worthless to me. Be gone, George,” Hillary says. And George’s ghostly image fades away.
During Hillary second night at the White House, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears. “Okay, Thomas, what advice would you give me?”
“Follow the law and listen to the people,” Thomas Jefferson advises.
“I can’t believe the advice you so-called founding fathers give. Totally worthless. Be gone, Thomas,” Hillary says. Thomas Jefferson’s ghost fades away.
At Hillary’s third night at the White House, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln appears. “Well, Abe, I hope that you finally have some good advice to give me. What is it?” Hillary asks.
“Go to the theater.”
“Times reporter Maggie Haberman declared, ‘Folks involved in funding this lied about it, and with sanctimony, for a year.’”
In saner times, Maggie would have gotten a Pulitzer for that quote alone; unfortunately, Pulitzers are only given to sanctimonious liars. That is today a documented fact.
I strongly suspect John Podesta of organizing a cabal of radicalized generals to draw up a plan for the next civil war. I know that is only a conspiracy theory, but these theories have proven far more reliable than the New York Times.
Finally, Fauci means “jaws” in Italian. I wish Dr. Jaws would shut his Fauci.
As for Elias, there’s an old joke: “If you want to know what God thinks of money, look who he gives it to.”
What Elias and the Democrats tried to do is to win an election with a made up Dossier. Then after the election they worked to undermine the administration of President Trump with the same document and by extension smear all Republicans. Now when even The New York Times and The Washington Post have admitted that the Steele Dossier was a pack of lies and a court has found the liars guilty the Democrats try to continue the charade. The use of the Dossier was an attempt to steal an election. Then after the election they tried to destroy the President who had been elected using the same piece of made up vomit. This was not only an attempt to steal an election but to also formulate a coup. You want to talk about a “Big Steal.” The Jan 6 riot lasted only part of one day but the coup attempt by The Democratic Party continued for five years. They think that it’s their nation but as much as they don’t like it it’s your nation and you need to protect it.
The FEC is not a court, so “a court has found the liars guilty” is a figment of your imagination.
There was no “coup” against Trump. The Steele Dossier was not the origin or the primary evidence in the Mueller investigation, and the Steele Dossier played no role in either impeachment.
This statement comes from a person who has been wrong on virtually every major discussion on this blog. He was even wrong on the Steele Dossier. He’s a liar.
Is this Elias?
More and more Democrats are trying to distance themselves from the stigma of being called progressive. That’s funny. Democrats rebranded only a few short years ago to escape the stigma that had attached to their use of the term liberal. It doesn’t matter what they call themselves. No matter how hard they try, they will never escape the stigma of their failed, divisive, ideology. The stigma of being Democrats.
“THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A SOCIAL WORLD.”
– KARL MARX
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There are actual Americans who strictly adhere to the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Then there are “fake” Americans who adhere to the Communist Manifesto.
The first “fake” American to adhere to the Communist Manifesto was Abraham Lincoln, who proudly received a letter of congratulation and commendation from Karl Marx himself for initiating “…the reconstruction of a social world.”
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“These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”
– Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837
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“Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.”
– Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincoln’s assistant secretary of war, 1848
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“The goal of Socialism is Communism.”
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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“The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.”
– Karl Marx and the First International Workingmen’s Association to Lincoln, 1864
Why Dems keep hiring Elias? Caligula (wonderfully played by John Hurt in the BBC’s production of “I, Claudius”) has the answer: “Find a dog to eat a dog.”
“I, Claudius”
That is a great, dramatic series. Derek Jacobi is masterful as Claudius.
Sam – I, Claudius had an all-star cast and brilliant writing to transfer the books to screen. 🙂
PS: And great directors.
At first I thought: “Oh, no. Not another episodic history series.”
Boy, was I wrong. The conflicts were riveting. And the themes universal.
Sam – did you read to two books it was based on? I, Claudius and Claudius the God? Brian Blessed as Augustus, Sian Phillips as Livia, John Baker as Tiberius, Patrick Stewart as Sejanus all made for a tense evening in which you never knew who was going to die and how. 😉
“[D]id you read to two books it was based on? I, Claudius and Claudius the God?”
The Graves novels? I did not. Are they as good as the BBC series?
Sam – The Graves novels a great historical fiction.
Let’s just think about Mr. Elias. He got up every morning to put on his thousand dollar suit. He tied his two hundred dollar tie. Then he buffed his five hundred dollar shoes. His maid made him breakfast then he strolled out to his one hundred and fifty thousand dollar Mercedes Benz and all along he knew that the Steele Dossier was a bunch of BS. He looked at his Rolex watched and he knew he’d be right on time to kiss Hillary’s derriere. Oh my exclaimed Hillary, two kisses for me! Here’s another million bucks Marky. I like your BS very much. How can you handle such a heavy shovel. Oh, don’t pay any attention if someone calls you a deplorable.
Perfect — except for this: “he buffed.”
Chosen Ones do *not* buff.
“Elias has previously been sanctioned for his conduct in litigation and recently lost an effort to gerrymander the Maryland voting districts. The alleged Elias’ lies would ordinarily seem a professional liability for any attorney but they seem an actual professional attraction for Elias.”
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That’s a funny line but a sad commentary on his clients. To say “Elias lies” is to say “water is wet.”
I agree. No one is above the law. Let’s hope all wrongdoers are prosecuted whichever their political party. But I will note in Elias’ case, Turley spoke more like a prosecutor than his usual bent as a defense counsel. We know there is bad blood between the two.
You’re absolutely right, Jeff.
We know that Elias and and his partner Sussman didn’t work alone. They were complicit with their client Hillary, the DNC, and their collaborators inside and outside of government to foist the Russia collusion hoax on the American public. To promote the blatantly false server story, To use the manufactured Steele Dossier as a tool to convince the secret FISA courts to spy on the Trump campaign. All in a desperate attempt to take down their political opponent.
It is far and away the worst scandal in American political history. For six long years, they almost got away with it. But the truth is coming out.
You’re absolutely right, Jeff. The wrongdoers should all be investigated and prosecuted.
Epstein,
As well as the truth that is coming out that Putin has been blackmailing Trump with the clandestine video of Trump’s 2 prostitutes urinating on the bed that Obama slept on in a Moscow hotel.
Epstein did kill himself, by the way
Yet another blatant falsehood is your claim that no one is above the law. The progressive elite work to protect their own and to punish their political enemies.
For six long years, the Hillary and her Democrat co-conspirators have used every tool at their disposal to destroy President Trump. They won’t stop as long as he is threat to their political power. They’ve even spent the last thirty years trying to destroy Clarence Thomas. His crime? Being an exemplary person, an outstanding jurist, and a black man who doesn’t carry water for the progressive Democrat cause.
Let’s not even start on Joseph Robinette Biden and the corruption that is endemic to crack-addled Hunter and the Biden family. The Democrats, with the full support of the leftist media and national security establishment, did their best to bury the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop until after Joe was installed as President. Biden and his family were paid off by Burisma and the Ukrainians, in bed with the Russians, and neck deep in influence payments from the Chinese. Talk about compromised. Yet we’re supposed to trust Joe ‘the Big Guy’ Biden to lead our nation in the face of the Russia-Ukraine war. Seriously?
Why is the Democrat controlled media only now acknowledging the truth? Likely because Biden has become a millstone around the Democrat party’s neck as they try to salvage what’s left of their hopes for the 2022 midterms. It’s the same playbook they used with Andrew Cuomo when he outlived his usefulness.
No one is above the law? If not, then Hillary, Biden and the whole lot of them are doing their best to test the absolute limits.
Let’s just say that I disagree with every single statement you have made.
Epstein killed himself because he had absolutely nothing to live for since he knew he would never get out of jail for the rest of his life which prospect was intolerable given the privileged life he had led until then.
JeffSilberman, Professor Turley may indeed have bad blood with Elias. What honest lawyer wouldn’t have bad blood with Elias. The question is, why don’t you have bad blood with Elias. Maybe he’s your BFF.
TiT fairly asks:
“The question is, why don’t you have bad blood with Elias?”
Because Elias has never taken a cheap shot at me as he did Turley:
“If Turley is upset that my firm and I represent a governor campaign in VA, boy is he going to be upset when he finds out about the hundreds of Senate and House campaigns, Democratic Party orgs and PACs! I continue to live rent free in this dimwitted blowhard’s head rent free.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/marceelias/status/1453842557167931399
It’s perfectly understandable that Turley bears a grudge against Elias. It is very difficult to rise above such an unwarranted personal attack to Elias’s 650k followers. I don’t respect Elias.
Then you query:
“Maybe he’s your BFF.”
Grow up.
Jeff, I repeat my earlier comment.
Elias is a FU**ING JAG**F
Can I buy a vowel?
Good. I want all politicians/organizations who break election laws to be fined (or charged, if the law is criminal rather than civil). I hope they also fine Trump for breaking election law in his illegal arrangement with Michael Cohen, who already went to jail for his part in the crime.
“I want all politicians/organizations who break election laws to be fined (or charged,”
No, you don’t. What you said was a lie. You have no interest in the law unless it serves you.
Trump broke no significant election law with Michael Cohen.
Only a troll would pretend to know my beliefs better than I do. You are such a troll.
Michael Cohen was convicted of 2016 campaign finance law violations that included paying $130K hush money to Stormy Daniels, a campaign loan for which Cohen was repaid — plus a huge bonus — over the course of 2017, including via checks signed by Trump himself. Trump’s lawyer Giuliani admitted to Trump reimbursing Cohen for Cohen’s illegal campaign loan. Trump’s failure to report the loan (from Cohen to the campaign) and failure to report the loan repayments are themselves campaign finance violations. Trump also lied about his liability to Cohen by omitting the required declaration of liability from Trump’s 2017 financial disclosure form (OGE form 278e) and then after being caught in that illegal omission, Trump made a false declaration on his 2018 financial disclosure form about the total amount of the liability, in both cases certifying that the forms were accurate when they were not. Knowingly and willfully omitting or falsifying information that’s required to be reported on form 278 is also illegal.
But you will never admit to Trump having broken the law, because you’re a Trumpist.
You lie, plain and simple. One can read what you write and get all they need to know, who and what you are. It isn’t pretty.
Trump hasn’t been 100% correct, but he has been far more honest than any Democrat I can think of, and he has done more for the country than any Democrat in the House or Senate. If you think he is guilty of significant crimes, prove to us what that is and its significance. Until then, you remain Anonymous the Stupid.
You’re Meyer the Troll Liar.
You’re Seth Warner, Svelaz, West Hollywood Nail Salon Owner and a Drag War all mixed into one sack of falsies and really bad wigs. Have you no decency Ru Paul wannabe?
Anonymous the Stupid, you can do better than that. Where are all your pretend friends? Cal them in to pat you on the back.