Harvard Law professor emeritus Laurence Tribe has long been an endless font for the media in claiming clear evidence of a variety of crimes for the imminent prosecution of Donald Trump. Tribe declared evidence supporting criminal charges of witness tampering, evidence of obstruction f justice, criminal election violations, Logan Act violations, extortion and poss
While Tribe has been repeatedly criticized for false statements and conspiracy theories, there is an insatiable appetite on some news platforms for Trump prosecution theories. It does not matter that Tribe has been repeatedly wrong on such claims in the media or pushed strikingly poor advice to Biden leading to major court losses. (For full disclosure, this has included false statements about me as well as personal attacks).
On MSNBC’s “Deadline,” Tribe again claimed a new blockbuster basis for prosecuting Trump. The segment addressed news reports that the Justice Department is investigating alleged violations of classification rules in moving documents to Mar-a-Lago after he left office.
Many of us have discussed the potential grounds for charges stemming from the allegations. As I previously noted, there are some criminal provisions that can apply to such cases, though such application to a former president would be unprecedented. The Section 1361 states that anyone who “willfully injures or commits any depredation against any property of the United States” can be given a fine or up to one year imprisonment if convicted. The Section 2071 states that anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys … any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited … in any public office” can be fined or face up to three years in prison if convicted.
However, Tribe believes that Trump could be charged with espionage. He told MSNBC:
“When we find all of this apparent top secret information finding his way to unsecured boxes to Mar-a-Lago, it’s very encouraging that the Department of Justice isn’t simply asking who packed the boxes, but what did the president then of the United States on his way out of the Oval Office have in mind in taking that information? Did he do anything with it? Did he use it for his own benefit? That would be a serious crime of espionage.”
…So there is both a national security angle and a potentially criminal angle and the most encouraging thing to me because I’m worried about accountability so that we don’t have a repeat of all of these things in 2024 of the attempted coup and insurrection. What is most important to me is that no one should be above the law, and the attorney general and his top deputy and associate attorneys general, people like Lisa Monaco, should be taken at their word when they say they’re going to follow the evidence wherever it leads right into the Oval Office, right into the former guy, so stay tuned. I think this is an important development.”
Tribe is simply incorrect that the “use of [classified material] for his own benefit” would constitute espionage. He insists it “would” be espionage, but that is belied by the elements of this crime. It is certainly true that prosecutors have sought to apply this law broadly in past cases like that of Chelsea Manning. However, it still requires the intent or reason to believe the information will harm the United States or help a foreign nation. Why would the removal of classified information clearly constitute espionage as opposed to the earlier more logical criminal allegations?
Yet, for Tribe, it is not enough that an exceptionally rare charge could be brought under these laws. Those are not nearly as thrilling as prosecuting Trump under espionage laws. There is no currently evidence to support the claim that this constitutes espionage any more than there is evidence of an endangered species violation.
I guess is Laurence Tribe didn’t hear of the Movie: 2000 Mules
Tribe is an Idiot…his opinion is not worth spit.
The funny thing about this, the number of boxes Trump took from the Oval Office is zero. Maybe these nitwits think he hired United Van Lunes and they packed up stuff from the Oval Office? The fact is, government employees packed the stuff and shipped it.
In February, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) confirmed that it had recovered 15 boxes of material from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence — material covered by the Presidential Records Act that Trump illegally had in his possession:
https://www.archives.gov/files/foia/ferriero-response-to-02.09.2022-maloney-letter.02.18.2022.pdf
That is was shipped to Mar-a-Lago doesn’t change that the contents of those boxes were supposed to have been turned over to NARA at the end of Trump’s term.
Funny, I could be wrong but didn’t Trump have a SCIF in Mar-a-Lago?
Seems yet again the MSM got it wrong. All trying to find something to prosecute Trump all in order to make him ineligible for a 2024 run.
It’s irrelevant whether Trump had a SCIF there.
The Presidential Records Act requires him to turn all of that material over at the end of his term. Which is why NARA went down and took possession of it once they became aware that some of what Trump was supposed to have given them in Jan. of 2021 was in Mar-a-Lago in 2022.
If Trump committed a crime, he should be prosecuted.
If Trump committed a crime, he should be prosecuted.
There was never any intent.
a) Your guess is not a fact.
b) Learn how conditional (if) statements work.
Presidential Records Act that Trump illegally had in his possession:
You named the crime. I’m saying there is no intent.
Clintons wife had no intent, (though the law does not require intent)
protestors in front of federal judges home don’t have the intent to influnce their opinion, but for the words both oral and in writing.
That intent standard is pretty slippery.
Anomaly,
It is entirely relevant that there was a SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, this was required for then President Trump to receive classified briefings while staying at MaL
You assume without evidence that the classified records in question were shipped from the White House to MaL when Trump left the WH when in all probability the records have been in the SCIF at MaL since whenever Trump was originally briefed on them.
Your link to the National Archivist indicates that “NARA had ongoing communications with the representatives of former President Trump throughout 2021, which resulted in the transfer of 15 boxes to NARA in January 2022.”
So, it appears that the NA knew all along that there were NARA materials, including classified materials, at MaL yet they failed to take action to ‘recover’ these materials until January 2022.
I fail to see how it is citizen Trump’s fault that the government failed to retrieve the FARA materials and the classified materials from MaL for over a year.
We should be thanking Trump for safeguarding these materials until the government finally got around to picking them up. I will also note that Trump has apparently generously declined to charge the government a storage fee for the 15 boxes.
ashtRay,
First, Trump was required by law to have turned over to NARA all records subject to the Presidential Records Act at the end of his term.
Second, read the news:
“The Department of Justice has opened a grand jury investigation related to former President Donald Trump’s alleged mishandling of classified documents, following the revelation in February that he had brought boxes of documents home to his Mar-a-Lago estate when he left the White House.”
Third, don’t assume facts not in evidence. “NARA had ongoing communications with the representatives of former President Trump throughout 2021” does not imply that NARA was aware throughout 2021 of the 15 boxes.
ATS, doesn’t it seem funny to you that so many charges are placed against Trump by Democrats in power? I don’t know another individual in American history to have had so many ‘political’ complaints raised against him in courts of law.
Do you think you can figure out the pattern?
Anomaly,
First, it is not Trump’s job to clean up the MaL SCIF after he leaves the White House. All classified records have a chain of custody and I can assure you that Trump did not sign for any of the records in question, someone else did. It is not Trump’s fault that some government minion failed to recover classified materials that were stored in the MaL SCIF.
Second, what is this quote? Did you make this up?
Third, if the NA did not know that there were FARA materials at MaL, why were they communicating with Trump’s team in the first place? I would think that it would be obvious to even someone as obtuse as yourself that that the President would have FARA materials at his residence and that if this residence also included a SCIF that classified materials would also be present. This being the case, it is no surprise that the NA would be working with the Trump team to recover these materials. There would be no controversy here if it were not Trump.
Ray, thanks for your explanation. It sounds like Anonymous the Stupid is simply acting Stupid again. I don’t think he can help himself.
S.Mayer,
Yours is an astute observation. Anomaly cannot help himself any more than JS, Natacha, or Svelaz can help themselves. It is hilarious to observe how Trump has completely broken the left.
“Trump illegally had in his possession:”
Are you lying again? That letter didn’t say Trump did anything illegal. Why must you always lie about what others say?
You mean same government employee dipshits that sent the records there?
Jonathan: Boy, Lawrence Tribe sure gets under your skin. I don’t know whether what Trump did amounts to “espionage”. But when Trump took 15 boxes of government documents, including some marked “top secret”, that was a violation of federal law. The DOJ is conducting a thorough investigation. A federal grand jury has issued subpoenas. Federal investigators are interviewing witnesses.
The Q is what motivated Trump to purloin those docs and take them back to Mar-a-Lago? He knew and was probably advised those 15 boxes should have been turned over to the National Archives. Why would Trump “willfully” violate Sections 1361 and 2071? The 1917 Espionage Act has a long history. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg come to mind. In 2013 NSA contractor Edward Snowden was charged under the Act for intentionally revealing secret national security information. Could it possible be that Trump revealed top secret national intelligence to some foreign powers–say Russia or Saudi Arabia to curry favor with them and get their support? To this day Trump continues to defend Putin and Crown Prince bin Salman even when that is really not in the national interest of the US.
Time will tell whether there is any basis to Tribe’s charge. But I would not dismiss it out of hand. Hopefully, the DOJ investigation will give us an answer to the 64 dollar question.
Didn’t Hillary Clinton put classified material on her private server and then hide those documents, and deny their existence, and fail to produce them in response to discovery requests, and finally erase them? All Trump did was carry classified documents to his home in Florida and then return them to the government unharmed.
Stooge, Republicans spent 4 years and millions of dollars trying to nail Hillary. But in the end they had nothing, but not for lack of trying.
The question is, how long will actual Americans allow the Deep Deep State to control their country, their finances and their lives – for the primary benefit of illegal aliens, current and past.
You are going to ignore the Comey speech?
no even comey said she broke law, just not intentionally.
don’t be ignorant and wrong while calling someone a stooge
f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
And NO. proving intent is not required.
But. Clinton set the server up specifically to use as SoS. in direct violation of the law that required communication by the SoS be ONLY on approved equipmnet.
Spin all you want. Memory informs me that Comey said something like. ‘yes crimes occurred, but no prosecuter would take the case to trial’
And we have to ignore why Comey was the person making the decision, and not the DoJ
Trump also tore up documents marked “top secret” and “classified”, which required White House staff to scotch tape them back together. He was repeatedly told that all records, reports, briefings and memos were required by law to be saved. He also flushed documents down the toilet. These incidents are well-documented.
So? What difference does it make? (as your girl Hillary would say)
Little jelly there, Turley? More of Turley’s paid offal while he ignores the fact that Republican members of Congress have thumbed their noses at the request of the Jan. 6th Committee, and therefore had to be subpoenaed,, that Kevin McCarthy outright lies about saying he’d tell Trump to resign, and his outrageous claim that Jan 6th investigation into the invasion of our Capitol was nothing but a “witch hunt”, a favorite Trump claim.
Tell us, Turley, how many Constitutional law textbooks have you written? Tribe has written several. Turley gripes that Tribe is: ” an endless font for the media in claiming clear evidence of a variety of crimes for the imminent prosecution” of the former guy. Turley complains about how “exceptional” it is that the former guy could be criminally liable for removing material clearly-designated as “classified” to Florida–as if you, Turley, aren’t an “endless font” of echoing whatever pitch Fox is putting out to attack Joe Biden and Democrats.
You want to know what is “exceptional”? Someone who lies his way into office, a minority leader who barefaced lies about things that have been recorded, a member of Congress who initially said Trump was responsible for the Jan 6th insurrection and then backed down, a member of Congress who refuses to cooperate with a legitimate investigation into the unprecedented attack on our Capitol orchestrated by a narcissistic liar who can’t accept the fact that he was rejected by the majority of Americans. Republicans used to stand for the rule of law and the peaceful transfer of power. Not any more.
Talk about those issues before you go attacking Laurence Tribe, Turley. You never were in the same league as Tribe, and never will be since you sold your credentials to Fox.
To Natcha: Professor Turley has forgotten more about constitutional law than you will ever know in your lifetime. He has never been a fan of Trump and is a an old fashioned liberal like Dershowitz who deeply cares about freedom of speech. Lawrence Tribe like Paul Krugman has devolved into a ranting lunatic no different from some rightwing or leftwing nut jobs sitting in their basement in their PJs. Both men are partisan hacks who once wrote interesting and temperate commentary that were worth reading .But no more. Tribe would probably be happy if he were transported back in time to the USSR in 1937 to preside over the Stalin show trials for all he cares about due process and 1st Amendment rights
Alank is The Blog Stooge and so is Edward Mahl.
The Sooge is also Thinkthrough, James, Estovir, Ralph, Feldman and many, many more.
How would you get by if you did not know the word “stooge”?
snore.
“Tribe” is the Newspeak linguistic form for “ignore,” including second and third senses as “incoherent” and “hysterical.”
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Biden isn’t the only one suffering from dementia.
Thank you.
At least having dementia doesn’t hurt.
I actually feel fine…but for your contribution, I am scarcely aware of having it!
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Ironically, there is a glimmer of hope in the world on this fine Friday the 13th.
The Belgian frog noticed that the water in the pot is being heated too slowly to be perceived, and that, if it doesn’t jump out quickly, it will soon be boiled to death.
Apparently, Obama is “…fundamentally transforming…” Belgium too – the freeloader is more power hungry than Hillary and China combined.
Ah, the draw of the “white man’s money” – it is mighty, robust, ubiquitous and global – and that money is yours for the taking, right?
I arrived in Brussels in mid-November 2015 at the Brussels Zaventem airport. The whole city was in lockdown while they were searching for the terrorists who bombed the stadium in France. Police were everywhere carrying machine guns. I also left from the same airport and stood in the security line in the exact place where the terrorists bombed (filled with nails) the airport three months later, 22 March 2016. Two were killed and 300 wounded.
Like him or hate him, but the the 45th President of the United States promised to break the back of ISIL and did it. The previous president sat on his hands and threatened them with a red line and copious bloviation.
At that time also, there were millions of refugees everywhere in Europe who were fleeing Syria. I spent part of my youth in Europe (still have strong connections) and the changes from then and now are quite dramatic. Some good and some bad. Life is more challenging in the E.U. at the moment, especially economically and now with the uncertainty of nearby war.
EM if you really know what you’re talking about you know it was the Kurds, not Donald Trump, who brought ISIS down.
The Kurds were there when Obama was there. Things got worse. The intelligent use of resources by Trump brought ISIS down. One needs to understand how soft and hard power is utilized. If you understood that, you wouldn’t say such things.
I believe that Tribe was exposed as a plagiarist. He has no honor.
It would be interesting to know what Tribe is guilty of, because everyone that accuses Trump of something, is a crime they or their party has already committed.
“It would be interesting to know what Tribe is guilty of,…”
– Aninny (Attribution: Mespo727272)
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Answer: “Fundamentally transforming,” prevaricating, lying, propagandizing, indoctrinating, subversion, incitement to malicious prosecution, incitement to riot, incitement to insurrection, treason et al.
For Centuries in Great Britain, the penalty for challenging the authority of the King was Drawing and Quartering.
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“…because everyone that accuses Trump of something, is a crime they or their party has already committed.”
Crimes Committed: The Obama Coup D’etat in America.
“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
– Barack Obama
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“We will stop him.”
– Peter Strzok to FBI paramour Lisa Page
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“[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”
– Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
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“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before 40.”
– Peter Strzok to FBI parmour Lisa Page
First Hillary Clinton for selling uranium to Russia.
Second Obama for pallets of cash to Iran without congressional approval.
Rand Paul is correct…. Obama, Clintoneasta, and Obidens Murika has “truth decay”
None of these things happened. Hillary Clinton DID NOT sell uranium to Russia–7 agencies approved a CANADIAN sale of uranium and the State Department wasn’t one of them. This is an oft-repeated lie. Obama didn’t send “pallets of cash to Iran” either.
Stop repeating lies.
Surely former President Trump has spit on the sidewalk somewhere. Charge him now and then find the evidence whether it exists or not.
These people like Tribe, on MSLSD, the Zoom Pleasurer Toobin over on CNN, that fat liar Stelter, UpChuck, Fake Tapper, Psucky Lyin Psaki, etc!! These are truly sick mixedup lying psychopaths. Tune them all out.
If you have a functioning brain stem, you have tuned them out. The problem lies with the sub-par-brained lefties who do not have that capability or will power- but they VOTE.
It is truly hilarious that someone who doesn’t even know what the brain stem does accuses people she disagrees with of be “sub-par brained lefties”.
“Zoom Pleasurer”
And the idiots, nay, psychos, nay, sickos put him back on.
We MUST be nearing the end.
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Anonymous parrots what he hears on Levin’s radio show- UpChuck, MSLSD, Fake Tapper.
Are you surprised that Turley has NEVER acknowledged Levin’s books, appeared with him on radio or even once mentioned his name?
Tells me that Turley wants nothing to do with him.
Tribe is just another schill master. Schill masters say things like their going to put you all back in chains, the riots should continue and get up in their faces. Cheap schills.
Did anything ever happen to Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton’s 2d term Natl Security Adviser, who stole documents from the National Archives in 2003?
MHJ, Sandy Berger was the first person I thought about when this story broke. Unfortunately we now live in a time where there are two levels of justice, one for liberals and one for “the other”.
In a separate note, it has come out that CONGRESS has authorized TEN THOUSAND CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS to receive FREE membership to Peloton at a cost that can be as much as $120,000 a month. In a time of rising costs and struggling Americans Congress gives this unheard of perk to themselves. Now can someone please check to see if Pelosi or anyone has invested in Peloton recently.
The left has no shame. The globalists will stop at nothing. The ignorance and stupidity of the American public is astounding.
Tribe is 80 and senile but the big picture is that our education is the cause of the ignorance and stupidity. It needs to be privatized from top to bottom using income tax credits (cash, not deductions) paid directly to families with children. Charter schools are a half-step. Democracies that abdicate the responsibility for educating its citizens don’t last long; they soon morph into oligarchies.
Tribe, voice of the left, has far less credibility than President Trump, or the current resident of 1700 Pennsylvania Ave
Tribes entire narrative is littered with qualifying language.
The problem. There is no effective deterrent. Republicans will come into power, and double down on ‘decorum’ and refuse to treat Democrats exactly the same way.
The subpoenas of 5 congress men to testify by a committee total populated with Democrat plants, has NEVER happened before. Alas, in 8 months, Republican will not return the favor.
I heard Raskin state on camera yesterday, it was vital these members submit, or the Rule of Law will be at risk. A strange statement coming from a committee member that does not have constitutional power to investigate crimes.
McCarthy during an interview, mirrored what I said in yesterdays comment, that he could add nothing to the process of crafting legislation.
This is nothing but election politics by Democrats abusing their office. The Democrats hope is, they can use the 5 members refusal, as proof of wrong doing. Again, Republicans will refuse to pick up the weapons Democrats have left on the battle field.
“Tribe, voice of the left, has far less credibility than President Trump, or the current resident of 1700 Pennsylvania Ave”
– iowan2
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I have always been confused.
Now I’m confuseder.
Iowan, please note that Jamie Raskin’s very first vote in the House was to NOT certify the electors for Trump’s victory in 2016. This is how upside down the left has turned the country.
Congress has the power to investigate anything related to their legislative powers, including J6, which is clearly related to legislation like the Vote Count Act.
No matter how many times you falsely claim that they lack the power, you are wrong about this.
All 5 can obey the law by showing up and pleading the 5th if they think that appropriate. All 5 can also state facts that they wish to draw the Committee’s attention to.
One can stretch authority so that one can end up with a totalitarian government. That suits our friends from the left, which is what they are trying to do.
Instead of Jan6 acting for political purposes, they could release all the information starting with Pelosi and her communications with everything that had to do with Jan6. They could release the Capitol videos. They could have a non-partisan examination of all FBI personnel, Capitol police and other people acting for these law enforcement agencies.
They won’t because Jan6 is Nancy Pelosi’s fault. She was in charge and refused the President’s request for additional security.
The Democrat party has lied continuously (Republicans lie as well). The Democrats have now been caught on camera and video tracking in 2000 Mules. This evidence proves Biden LOST THE ELECTION. The video is on the net. Let us hear what you find wrong with the data. Snopes failed. One of the complaints indicated that tracking only placed people in the location, but tracking is accurate to 18 inches.
Jan. 6 was a Deep Deep State, false flag operation designed to wrongly implicate and harm President Donald J. Trump, whipsawing American thinking as one of the last efforts and epilogue under the code name “Crossfire Hurricane” conducted by the FBI and American Intel.
America was and continues to be in a condition of hysteria, incoherence, chaos, anarchy and rebellion. President Abraham Lincoln seized power, neutralized the legislative and judicial branches and ruled by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Union.” President Donald Trump must have seized power, neutralized the legislative and judicial branches and ruled by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Republic.”
Was President Trump wise to follow the law as the Deep Deep State ignored and violated it, and continues to do so – laughing all the way to the political bank as it stole the election?
How obtuse are Americans?
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Anonymous concedes:
“The Democrat party has lied continuously (Republicans lie as well).”
Trumpists lie worst of all Republicans.
As a group, Trump supporters are probably the most honest, while the far left is the least honest. The word honest probably shouldn’t be included when discussing the far left. One would probably be better off saying that the far left doesn’t lie on rare occasions.
It’s difficult to call you an outright liar because you are insincere and unknowledgeable. Your voice adds nothing except vitriol to discussions.
Tell that to the committee. Raskin made specific cites to rule of law. Congress has never subpoenaed members to testify. Pelosi never thought the subpeonas were of any use, bur to use the rightful refusal, as fodder for election ads.
MCCarthy confirmed exactly what I said yesterday. He has nothing the committee needs to craft legislation.
The committe is 100% made up of Democrat hand picked members. Shutting out Republicans
“Congress has never subpoenaed members to testify.”
That’s unclear. I already pointed out to you that the Senate and House Ethics Committees have subpoena power. The Ethics Committees’ investigations largely occur behind the scenes, so it’s unclear whether any of their subpoeanas involved testimony from members rather than documents, but they’ve definitely subpoenaed documents from members (e.g., Bob Packwood).
The onus is on you to prove your claim.
Lest you falsely claim that one cannot prove a negative, I’ll remind you that it’s possible to prove many (but not all) negatives, just as it’s possible to prove many (but not all) positives:
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/05/11/the-mob-is-right-georgetown-law-professor-calls-supports-aggressive-protests-at-the-homes-of-justices/comment-page-2/#comment-2183311
Lots of words.
You could have stayed silent. would have communicated more and not identified yourself a fool
Or just admitted I have the facts on my side.
You haven’t proved your case, so we do not know if the facts are on your side.
Even your Goddess March Wheeler admits the Jan 6 comittee, is nothing but fishing for the DoJ. No mention of legislative need.
“I suspect such a subpoena only conceivably has a chance in hell of working with Kevin McCarthy (or possibly Mo Brooks if he can do it quietly, given how Trump has targeted him). The rest of genuine criminal liability they’d like to use Speech and Debate to dodge.
But this provides a way for the January 6 Committee to package up what evidence they have against these five in such a way as to feed it to DOJ.”
First, notice how you’re attempting to deflect from the fact that you have not — and probably CANNOT — prove your claim “Congress has never subpoenaed members to testify.”
Here’s the Committee’s entire letter, with links to the subpoenas plus their previous letters to these 5 members:
https://january6th.house.gov/news/press-releases/select-committee-subpoenas-five-members-congress
Notice that that letter contradicts your claim “Congress has never subpoenaed members to testify.” That letter says “in recent years the House Ethics Committee has issued a number of subpoenas to Members of Congress for testimony or documents. Historically, members have also been subpoenaed to provide information in other House investigations.”
Second, only in your deluded mind does Wheeler become a “Goddess.”
Only in your deluded mind is it necessary for her to separately discuss the legislative basis, when she literally quoted the Committee’s letter and linked to the subpoenas, each of which cites House Resolution 503, which among other things states “The functions of the Select Committee are to … issue a final report to the House containing such findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective measures described in subsection (c) as it may deem necessary. … The corrective measures described in this subsection may include changes in law, policy, procedures, rules, or regulations that could be taken—
“(1) to prevent future acts of violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism, including acts targeted at American democratic institutions;
“(2) to improve the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex while preserving accessibility of the Capitol Complex for all Americans; and
“(3) to strengthen the security and resilience of the United States and American democratic institutions against violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism.”
If you made your claim to her on her website (which I expect you’re too lazy and/or to cowardly to do), she’d point out that it’s not her job to spoon-feed you the legislative basis for the Committee’s work.
“(1) to prevent future acts.. >>> That’s a big lift. Prior restraint is a huge problem (talk to battered spouse to see the stupidity of this notion)
“(2) to improve the security posture of the United States Capitol Complex >>>Requires nothing but taking action. Zero testitomy is needed
“(3) to strengthen the security and resilience of the United States and American democratic institutions>>>great example of Dicta, words used as filler that is void of substance. And AGIAN. requires zero testimony, Unless you are talking to agencies to get their ideas, something done far away from testimony under oath.
So the letter lays out the lie of the Jan 6 committee.
You’re the one who is lying by omission: “changes in law, policy, procedures, rules, or regulations that could be taken.”
Your personal opinion that no testimony is necessary to inform that only demonstrates your own lack of thought.
“Prior restraint is a huge problem”
You dishonestly suggest that “prevent[ing] future acts of violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism, including acts targeted at American democratic institution” can only constitute prior restraint. You chose to omit most of that phrase because you have no good-faith response to the entire statement.
You are a dishonest person.
You dishonestly suggest that “prevent[ing] future acts of violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism, including acts targeted at American democratic institution” can only constitute prior restraint.
Crimes can’t be prevented . They can only be prosecuted, Protection of targets can be instituted. Robbing a store is a crime…..once it is in progress, but it is impossible to prevent, but you cant detain a person in the act. protesting is protected, and riots populated by leftists are encouraged by politicians. Even refusing to protect targets from rioters in the act.
The capitol can be hardened, no legislation needed but for funding. No sworn testimony required.
The committee already has in their hands ALL the communication from anyone they have dreamed to think of. The only problem, that can’t use it for campaign adds, because none of it is public, and all the communication is protected by the Constitution. But Garland has already given it to them.
“in recent years the House Ethics Committee has issued a number of subpoenas to Members of Congress for testimony or documents. Historically, members have also been subpoenaed to provide information in other House investigations.”
Big squishy statement with nothing declarative. Even the committee cant name a single name. It’s ‘The Dog that didn’t bark’
This is all meaningless and designed to generate headlines, not facts. Dems are, as usual, talking to the low information voters. Between the know nothings, and the leftist that care more about power than justice, is a solid voting block.
Learn the difference between “doesn’t” and “can’t.”
Trumpists are, as usual, talking to the low information voters. Between the know nothings, and the cons that care more about power than justice, is a solid voting block.
I have done an extensive search of all known sources. Required members to testify under oath has never happened.
Again: the letter says ““in recent years the House Ethics Committee has issued a number of subpoenas to Members of Congress for testimony.”
Tell us how you searched the House Ethics Committee documents to confirm or disconfirm that quote.
Name, names. That the committee could vastly improve their leverage by naming names, they can’t, because there are none. I’m 60/40. the committee will NOT seek a criminal charge from Garland. Dems are in a very precarious position.
While Republicans seldom return fire in kind, Dems are still hesitant to open the door, like Harry Ried.
No sitting members has been subpoenaed
Tell us how you searched the House Ethics Committee documents to confirm or disconfirm that quote.
I’ve talked to three people close to the committees
I doubt that you know anyone close to the House Ethics Committee.
Sounding not unlike Tribe, Iowan pulls this charge out of thin air:
“This is nothing but election politics by Democrats abusing their office.”
If Democrats are so clearly abusing their office, why is Turley silent about such illegality? Well?
Is it because Turley’s a NeverTrumper as I have said?
You say:
“Republicans will refuse to pick up the weapons Democrats have left on the battle field.”
Au contraire:
“Jan. 6 committee opens a Pandora’s box of retaliation”
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/13/jan-6-committee-opens-a-pandoras-box-of-retaliation
If Democrats are so clearly abusing their office, why is Turley silent about such illegality? Well?
Well retard, tell us what the check on Congressional Abuse of Power looks like. At the best any evidence would be tossed by an honest judge. But Democrats aren’t looking for a crime, they are looking to steel elections. Because Democrats always loose in a battle of ideas. Always
The only power greater than Congress. The People.
But retards like you will burn our Republic to the ground in pursuit of power.
Some how My ID Dropped
@ 7:44 @7:47
“they are looking to steel elections.”
That is one of the best Freudian slips I’ve seen here.
Judge Joseph Force Crater is still missing maybe Prof Emiratis Tripe can connect President Trump to his disappearance?
Can anyone argue that tenure should be done away and these educators should be tested periodically for their cognitive ability? If they were judged each year for merit they might be less likely to let their tongues waggle in the breeze?
You should learn to spell “emeritus”, but this proves Turley’s little caca piece has struck home. Trump does not deserve the title “President” because he cheated and disgraced the office, was impeached twice, and accomplished nothing good for the American people, leaving office in disgrace with a pandemic out of control, an economy in the toilet, 10% unemployment, a shortage of computer chips because he started a trade war, supply chain disrupted, factories and businesses shut down, kids behind in school, all because he was in over his head vis a vis the pandemic and tried to lie and bluster his way instead of listening to qualified health professionals. Oh, and he caused Asians to be the objects of hate crimes due to his xenophobic slanders and efforts to blame Chinese people for his incompetent lack of leadership. As a true disciple, you ignore all of the proof of Trump’s crimes and incompetence and play little ignoramus games pretending that Trump gets blamed for everything.
Trump is a snake. Not a spy. He’s a snot.
He’s the Great MAGA King. Joe Biden told us so.
And we all know that Joe Biden wouldn’t knowingly lie. He’s just a regular upstanding guy. And, a great family man.
Biden lie? say it aint so!
Yesterday he said he came into office with no covid vaccine.
And you, what have you done for human kind in your snarky judgemental life?
Liberty2nd is a juvenile.
I have talked repeatedly about the lefty love of lying.
It seems almost like an addiction; they lie to us, to each other, and to themselves.
Read Natacha’s posts; she seems to live in an alternative universe.
No. She lives in a logical universe. To the left, the truth is a fungible commodity, a useful ally when it suits them in their quest for power, but an enemy when it stands in the way. Thus, lying is a tactic that is acceptable so long as it furthers their goals. Civil rights, gay rights, trans rights, diversity, equity, etc are nothing but trojan horses that allow the left to wear a body armor of tolerance and virtue while all the while tearing down the very society they claim to value. It makes perfect sense when you think about it.
What have I lied about? I am very careful to cite PROVEN FACTS. All you Trumpsters do is repeat the lies you heard on Hannity, OAN, NEWS MAX, Info Wars and Breitbart. Another technique used by alt-right is to project the things Trump does onto others: lying being one of the biggest. If you cannot cite me anything I’ve lied about then shut up.
He forgot to recommending charging Trump with jay walking.