Below is my column in The Hill on the subpoena war raging in Washington as the Jan. 6th Committee prepares for its first public hearings this week. This weekend, the Justice Department announced that it would not be prosecuting former chief of staff Mark Meadows and social media director Dan Scavino. As noted below, they took a wiser course of limited cooperation. The refusal to prosecute triggered a backlash from Rep. Adam Schiff who wanted to see more criminal charges out of the Biden Administration.
Here is the column:
In an initial court appearance following his arrest on Friday for contempt of Congress, former Trump adviser Peter Navarro stood before an obviously concerned federal magistrate. “Every time that you’re speaking,” Judge Zia Faruqui tried to explain, “it could mean potentially putting yourself at risk.”
It was entirely sensible advice about self-protection — and it was promptly ignored. Navarro, 72, went directly outside and blasted the charge against him, the Democrats, and the FBI.
Judge Faruqui’s concern was almost charmingly naive. We live in an age of the sensational, not the sensible. The Navarro case is just one skirmish in a subpoena war engulfing Washington. No one seems to be thinking much beyond the next election.
In the buildup to next week’s start of public hearings by the House of Representatives’ Jan. 6 investigative committee, Democrats have subpoenaed Republican colleagues and held former Trump officials in contempt. Then, instead of simply arranging for Navarro to voluntarily surrender, the Justice Department made a dramatic public arrest of him at an airport and dragged him off to jail in handcuffs.
These subpoena fights seem to be unfolding with little consideration given to the potential costs, either for Washington institutions or the individuals involved.
Democrats circle the firing squad
A variety of polls show, according to the political site FiveThirtyEight, that “Americans are moving on from Jan. 6th — even if Congress hasn’t.” With waning interest in the investigation, congressional Democrats and some in the media have pushed “blockbuster” new disclosures. However, many of their disclosures simply confirm what is already known: Then-President Trump and close associates wanted to challenge Congress’ certification of the 2020 presidential election and, instead, force Congress to select the next president. I wrote about that likely strategy just a couple weeks after the election, but that fruitless effort turned into a full-fledged riot in the Capitol.
The House hearings are likely to add details that damn Trump for fueling the riot and failing to immediately call on the rioters to pull back. Yet many of us reached the condemnation stage years ago; I reached that point while Trump was still speaking on Jan. 6, 2020, and opposed his efforts to challenge the certification.
The problem is not that the committee will move forward with hearings or a report. Despite its partisan composition and agenda, there is always a value to greater transparency about what occurred on that tragic day. The problem is the effort to ratchet up interest through conflict. The committee has taken the rare step of subpoenaing GOP colleagues, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and threatening to hold them in contempt like Navarro and other former Trump officials.
Despite years of bitter political divisions, the two parties have long avoided using subpoenas against each other. It was viewed as a step toward mutually assured destruction if House members unleashed inherent investigatory powers on each other. House Democratic leaders, however, shattered that long tradition of restraint despite the fact that they may gain little from the effort. What they will lose is a long-standing detente on the use of subpoenas against colleagues — and they are creating a new precedent for such internal subpoenas just months before they could find themselves in the minority. Today’s hunters then could become the hunted, if Republicans claim the same license after November’s elections.
The House already is a dysfunctional body that allows for little compromise or dialogue between parties. The targeting of fellow members now will remove one of the few remaining restraints on unbridled partisan rage.
Justice delayed or justice denied?
Attorney General Merrick Garland is well on his way to setting a record for the prosecution of congressional contempt. The Justice Department has consistently refused to submit congressional contempt cases to grand juries, including a flagrant act of contempt by Obama-era Attorney General Eric Holder. There is ample basis for this charge as well. It is not the substance but the selectivity and speed of the charges that is notable. Navarro was only held in contempt in April and is now being prosecuted by a department long known as the place where contempt sanctions go to die. Yet, the Navarro case could quickly take a wild turn.
Navarro claims he offered to compromise with the committee but that he was asserting his right to remain silent. Putting aside such mitigating circumstances, the problem for the Justice Department could be the calendar: Despite moving at an uncharacteristically fast pace, the Navarro case likely will extend beyond November’s midterms. If Republicans retake the House, they could seek to retroactively rescind the House’s contempt vote on Navarro.
Technically, the Justice Department could insist that the act of contempt and the referral vote occurred under the prior Congress. Given the issuance of an indictment, the Biden administration could insist on pursuing the prosecution even if the alleged victim is no longer claiming to be harmed. And some Democrats likely would file to support his continued prosecution, even if a new majority of the House filed to seek dismissal of the case.
This prosecution and any appeal is likely to extend beyond the duration of the House committee. Last November, the Justice Department indicted former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on the same grounds; his trial will not occur until July. That will be the first such prosecution since 1982, when Rita Lavelle, a former Reagan-era EPA official, was indicted for failing to answer congressional questions. (Lavelle was acquitted of that but then later convicted of lying to Congress.)
The Biden administration did not have to act on this before the November elections. The statute of limitations for contempt of Congress is five years. If it hoped to get a quick plea and cooperation from Navarro, his defiant courthouse colloquy makes that less likely. The question is whether it will pursue these two misdemeanors — which could result in as little as 30 days and no more than a year in jail — if the next House seeks to rescind the contempt referral.
Self-defense or self-immolation?
That brings us back to Navarro. Judge Faruqui encouraged Navarro to consider the basis of his self-defense when Navarro seemed intent on self-immolation. In addition to announcing that he would represent himself, Navarro made an extended statement on the steps of the courthouse in his defense. He then incongruously said he could not discuss “legal matters” before plunging again into his legal defense points.
Navarro is known as someone who tends toward the path of greatest resistance. In a city known for highly managed criminal defendants with legions of lawyers and PR advisers, Navarro was a captivating figure as he held forth outside the courthouse. Yet for all that he has in terms of personal guts, he lacks legal authority. The problem is that even as he claimed executive privilege to avoid answering any of the House committee’s questions, he was publishing a book and giving interviews on the very subject matter of the subpoenas. It was an ill-considered course that may make him an icon on the right but could also make him a convicted defendant. As he repeatedly pitched his book outside the court, it seemed clear that his priority was not acquittal.
Navarro at one point asked, “Who are these people?” I have found myself asking the same question about all of the players in this subpoena war. Institutions and individuals alike seem to be in a crazed fit with little concern for how their actions may play out beyond the next election. But the greatest costs will be borne by the public, if our legal proceedings become as performative and shallow as our politics.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. Follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.
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If Americans move on from 1/6 our democracy will be done for. The Big Lie of election will take decades for people to ever trust our elections again. With absolutely no evidence, 55 court cases and a lot of BS and not one shred of wide spread voter fraud has ever been presented. Now we have this idiocy of 2k mules. All these people, in only states trump lost(how did mules know which states would be lost is another question) all conspired to cheat election then not one of them talks. This conspiracy theory propagated by the loser of the election who hasn’t told too much of the truth his entire life shows the weakness and gullibility of todays Americans.
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The Big Lie is what you are promoting now. The election was lawless, and very likely, Biden lost. Ignorance about the court decisions doesn’t make you seem intelligent on this matter. New court decisions are looking into hundreds of thousands of votes, along with incarcerating those who committed ballot fraud. The data is out there, even if you are unable and unwilling to see it, under this identity or another.
2000 Mules is excellent, and everyone should see it. Those that do, even if they are staunch Democrats and Biden supporters, are starting to change their minds. Of course we expect little from those whose minds are set in concrete.
“. . . in only states trump lost(how did mules know which states would be lost is another question) . . .”
That is a lame point.
One does not have to be an election pundit to know which states and districts are contested. If you want to commit election fraud, you send your “mules” to those contested districts — not to those in New York or California.
“Once upon a time, the media and political leaders of both sides would be screaming from the rafters at flagrant collusion between DOJ and a congressional committee led by the same party to destroy the other side. It’s happening before our eyes and not a peep from Senate GOP” ~Julie Kelley
If republicans had any balls, which they don’t, they’d purchase a 2 minute commercial during the J6 hearings and play the video of Schumer threatening Kavanaugh. Then ask why the commission is not investigating THAT call for INSURRECTION, THAT THREAT TO DEMOCRACY? Like I said though, they don’t have the balls!
Wow, how wrong can a man be, even Turley is hoodwinked by the News Media blackout of true information. Trump told everyone to protest in peace, he also told 5 People that he authorized Nancy Pelosi and the DC Mayor tp bring forth 20,000 National Guardsmen for that day, they refused, WHY? Because this was a pre planned OPP, just like the fake Mich. Gov. kidnapping events. They know they stole the election, Turley knows they stole the election, he’s too big a COWARD t come out and say this, he would rather us become a banana republic instead. Well, you have gotten your wish Mr. Turley, Biden is a thug, all of the FBI/CIA/NSA leaders are THUGS. Now this nation is about to be not only Judged by God, but destroyed via these Marxist THUGS you refuse to denounce.
Mr. Turley, what is the old saying? The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Well, you and people like you Mr. Turley have sat around and allowed these THUGS to come after normal Americans for years. Every damned one of those FBI thugs who spied on Trump should be in prison. Adam Schiff should be in prison for leaking documents. Stop pretending this is a two way street, these Marxists only know one way. Obama was a Marxist thing, he sicced the FBI on people, he used Brennan to spy on the Senate, on News papers etc. He got rid of all th top Military Brass that did not kow tow to his liberal Marxist positions. He did the same with the FBI. Stop blaming conservatives sir, look in the mirror, these are your thugs friends, they are liberal Marxist thugs.
The Election as stollen, WE ALL KNOW IT, you do not stop elections in the middle of the night and bring in MORE VOTES until you win. THUGS. You have to look in the mirror. When this nation goes down, just remember why, men like you were too big a cowards to call out those Marxist THUGS.
The only thing stolen are your brains.
Only the dumbest most servile people with no sense of self preservation support the democrats and are against Trump.
There’s never been anything that is as big of a no-brainer than there is the no-brainer of supporting Trump.
It’s literally a IQ test ….a test if you have a brain in your skull
It’s unconscionable that Turley won’t ditch the Democrats.
And it’s the height of hypocrisy to castigate the Republicans for attempting to do with the Democrats actually did in 2000 and 2016 which is challenged the election in Congress people forget that Hillary and nine members of Congress stood up and challenged the 2016 election you guys have short memories
The Jan. 6th Committee should look in the mirror
https://defyccc.com/evidence-of-pelosi-putsch/
An assembly that progressed as a riot with the elective abortion of an unarmed woman in a prone position, a rug extended and summarily withdrawn, a probable Whitmer/Michigan/Planned Parent/hood-event and cover-up.
“[T]he Jan. 6th Committee prepares for its first public hearings . . .”
Looking forward to the subpoenaed testimony explaining why Pelosi refused to approve the deployment of the DC National Guard on Jan. 6. If the NG had been deployed, per Trump’s approval, there would have been no Jan. 6.
Wait. What’s that you say? That topic is taboo? I wonder why.
Because control of the DC National Guard wasn’t Nancy Pelosi’s responsibility or under her control, and when Hannity and Tucker tell you otherwise, they are lying.
It was her responsibility to consent to their deployment to the Capitol.
Trump never offered this and there’s absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise. Gop trying to shift blame from this MAGA cult is incredulous.
Did you already say this under an anonymous icon trying to increase your numbers or are you just discovering that you are wrong. See my previous answer.
“Trump never offered this and there’s absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise.”
Except, of course, for those who were in the WH at the time Trump approved the deployment, and for those who processed the WH request.
I would name names, but it wouldn’t make a dent.
“Because control of the DC National Guard wasn’t Nancy Pelosi’s responsibility or under her control . . .”
For the nth time, you are mistaken. Check the DC National Guard chain of command (which is publicly available).
Negative my friend, she’s the one along with the Mayor of DC that stopped the presence of the NG. Nice try though.
Trump never offered this. Pelosi has no control over NG. Stop with this nonsense.
There is a confirmation of the National Guard offerings on the Capitol Police timeline.
Who is the HSAA ultimately responsible to? Nancy Pelosi.
HSAA?
Homeland Security Appropriations Act?
High School Athletic Association?
Handbook of Space Astronomy and Astrophysics?
You could have asked the question without the sarcasm, so you can look it up yourself. It’s on the official timeline which has been released.
“Pelosi has no control over NG.”
She certainly does — over deploying the DC NG at the Capitol Building. How on earth do you think they got the DC NG to patrol the Capitol grounds *after* Jan. 6?
That chain of command, for the Capitol Building and grounds, is very clearly spelled out on the DC NG website.
You’re lying by dropping the context.
Westerners are fraidy cats when it comes to escalation, but Putin is at liberty to escalate the war as much as he wants. Honey badger Putin don’t care. Putin is escalating the war, anyway, to a place where the West was afraid to escalate it. Avoiding escalation has done nothing. The side that escalates it there first has the advantage.
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America prides itself in exporting freedom and being victorious in World War 2 over Germany and Japan, and other conflicts, commemorating days such as Memorial Day, D-Day, 4th of July, 9-11, and Pearl Harbor Day, but when America has the chance to be proud of doing the same in Ukraine, people balk. This is inconsistent.
“America prides itself in exporting freedom and being victorious in World War 2 over Germany and Japan, and other conflicts, commemorating days such as Memorial Day, D-Day, 4th of July, 9-11, and Pearl Harbor Day, but when America has the chance to be proud of doing the same in Ukraine, people balk. This is inconsistent.”
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My, you are a dumb bot and wrong, too. The US has no strategic, economic or poltical vital interest at stake like we did in all those other conflicts you mentioned. You wanna tilt at windmills go ahead just me and my kids out of your fantasy war. People die in those, too.
Wuhan-style illicit labs, for one. Democracy and dictatorship for another. Redistributive change at the fringe, too. Also, following the invasion of South Africa for resources, Libya for oil, Russia is far and away the land of desirable resources, and if not for their Russians first government, a capable military, and massive nuclear deterrent, there would have already been a Russo Spring a la Slavic Spring in Ukraine, Egyptian Spring, Libyan Spring, Syrian Spring, etc.
Look up the definition of “sentence,” dope!
Ukraine borders are about 300 miles from Moscow. The Russians are nervous about that, and despite the fact that Putin is a despot and not someone to like, he is the leader of a nuclear power. All great and powerful nations have spheres of influence that are somewhat proportional to their power, whether or not, economic or military. Ukraine is in a Russian soft spot. Crimea is mostly Russian, and therefore, there is a Russian desire for that land bridge to Crimea though territories that contain large Russian populations. There is also the ports and a type of ‘manifest destiny.’
You can neglect power politics, but that gets the United States involved in unnecessary wars. Ukraine needed to be neutral. It should not be in NATO. What has occurred in that nation is not well-known or well understood. We may may think we know, but we don’t. I believe Trump understood this, and that is why the mess in Ukraine started under Obama Biden and restarted under Biden Harris.
There are no winners in Ukraine! Learn that. Too many Ukrainians are dead, and cities destroyed. They look forward to settlement or continuous war which doesn’t benefit anyone. I do not think they can win because that would mean a total defeat of Russia and the return of all lands, including Crimea to Ukraine. Time was the most notable weapon against Putin and Russia, for Russia is a nation in decline. When things like that happen, other concerns have a tendency to sort out naturally.
Russia, no matter who the leaders are, should have been our ‘friends’ for countless reasons. The left (and some on the right) prevented that from happening. Politics is an evil discipline, and Russia has been used in ways that are dangerous and counterproductive. There never was that peace benefit people talked about because politics wasn’t helpful in a unipolar world. Our politicians always need enemies.
What the left has done is pushed Russia closer to China. Look at the border between the two nations. That border should have been exploited. Russia should have been permitted its security and development without the unecessary threats inherent in the world. The only positive thing from this war might be a wake-up call to Chinese leadership that is presently under threat from its own. They might now believe taking Taiwan is a greater risk than ever before.
S. Meyer, the Russian Federation is neither great nor powerful. Just look at the nominal russian PPP and note that in fact much of that goes to the kleptocracy.
An oilman wrote, on another blog, of his visit to a Russian refinery. Briefly, he was amazed that it worked at all, even if just part of the time. And so it goes.
“S. Meyer, the Russian Federation is neither great nor powerful”
Isn’t that what I said? Except Russia has nuclear weapons and has things China would benefit from.
What is your point?
S. Meyer, just reminding you that V.V. Putin is delusional.
He may be, but how would you know? There are credible people that think Putin is crazy and other credible people that think he is sane. Your judgements in the past have been quite poor so why should your voice have any meaning?
Eloquently defines one major aspect of this problem… what about the Separation of the 3 Branches of Government that is at stake here…?
Turley says:
“Then-President Trump and close associates wanted to challenge Congress’ certification of the 2020 presidential election and, instead, force Congress to select the next president. I wrote about that likely strategy just a couple weeks after the election,”
This is a false narrative which will haunt Turley for the rest of his academic career. As will be evident from the Jan 6 committee hearings, this electoral challenge was not made in good faith. Trump and his lieutenants knew the election had not been stolen. It was a blatant lie- a Big Lie- which to this day Turley has NEVER acknowledged. As I have said for months, Turley will not jeopardize his Fox employer in its billion dollar defamation lawsuit by admitting that these election claims were patently false and, in so doing, undercutting the defense of the prime time hosts who will insist that they did not act with malice in broadcasting these lies- that they had no reason to believe that these claims were fraudulent.
Turley says:
“The House hearings are likely to add details that damn Trump for fueling the riot and failing to immediately call on the rioters to pull back. Yet many of us reached the condemnation stage years ago; I reached that point while Trump was still speaking on Jan. 6, 2020, and opposed his efforts to challenge the certification. The problem is not that the committee will move forward with hearings or a report. Despite its partisan composition and agendaTrum, there is always a value to greater transparency about what occurred on that tragic day.”
This Leftist/MSM narrative absolutely MUST ENRAGE Trumpists though most here will not give the few NeverTrumpers on this blog the satisfaction of publicly expressing their disgust of Turley. On Fox, Hannity says the Jan 6 hearings are a “scam.” Yet Turley will appear on Hannity’s show nonetheless despite the fact that he is a liar.
Turley says about Navarro’s contempt charge:
“There is ample basis for this charge as well. It is not the substance but the selectivity and speed of the charges that is notable.”
Hannity took a page out of the Trumpist handbook and dismissed this charge- contrary to Turley- as a mere “process crime.” Carlson for his part claimed that Navarro did nothing wrong whatsoever and invited him on his show to portray him as the victim! Yet Turley will appear on Carlson’s show despite the fact that he too is a damnable liar.
Turley warns:
“But the greatest costs will be borne by the public, if our legal proceedings become as performative and shallow as our politics.”
It is shallow as well as hypocritical of Turley NEVER to condemn the lies of his Fox colleagues and, worse, to valorize them by appearing side-by-side with them. It is despicable.
…Mr. Silbeman’s loves to inject his Extreme Political Bias into everything.. we find this very entertaining vis-a-vis enlightening…..
Eighteenhole,
How ya hitting them? I played the other day. I got under more balls than a midget hooker!
Golf, good game for you Jeff. Your early training was incomplete. It seems now, you are finally learning how to put the round pieces of wood into the round holes and the square ones into the square holes.
Please stop replying to “trolls and juvenile posters”. Ignore them.
JS:
Watched “2000 Mules” yet? Over a million people have.
I believe that number is up to 20 million.
I heard that, too. You think that’s possible?
The Washington Examiner: “In a new Rasmussen Reports survey on the film shared with Secrets, 77% said that they left the movie “strengthened their conviction that there was systematic and widespread election fraud in the 2020 election.
And that is significant because the poll also suggested that over 20 million voters have viewed the documentary debuted last month at Florida’s Mar-a-Lago resort, former President Donald Trump’s winter residence.”
The documentary was in the theater in my neighborhood just recently. Truthout says all the data will be released for public consumption, but without 2000 Mules, there is significant proof that the election was not secure, that it was lawless, and if illegal ballots were not counted Biden would have lost the swing states.
I believe it vital to keep pushing 2000 Mules. The MSM will not publish things in favor of Trump even when they are sure they are true. The MSM will, however, knowingly post lies about Trump, even lies that were debunked.
We are facing the worst threat to our nation outside of nuclear war. That threat is real. We cannot trust what we read from the Biden administration or from the MSM. There is a war in Ukraine, and that, in part, is a deflection. The truth about Ukraine is significantly hidden no matter which side of the debate one is on. The one true fact is that Russia is a declining nation while China is a rising threat. Time will tell.
Trump was not just the worse POTUS in US History: he was and is an existential threat to democracy itself. He CHEATED in 2016 by colluding with Russians because he couldn’t garner enough support of the majority of Americans who saw him for the shallow egotistical loser that he is–someone who bankrupted 3 casinos among other business failures. Who can’t make a casino profitable, anyway? He turned to Russia to borrow to keep his empire afloat because no US bank would loan him any more money due to 6 bankruptcies and a record of thousands of lawsuits over bills he refused to pay or couldn’t pay. He tried to return the favor by siding with Putin at Helsinki over his own US intelligence, and trashed the EU and NATO because Putin sees democracy as a threat to his autocracy. His disasterous presidency was marked by trashing the successful economy inherited from Barak Obama, botching the handling of the pandemic, making it worse than it had to be by lying about the seriousness and downplaying it, causing at least 130K unnecessary American deaths. His trade war with China resulted in a shortage of computer chips, which is fueling shortages of consumer goods, which in turn, is fueling higher prices and inflation. His tax cuts that mostly benefitted the uber-wealthy has fueled a record deficit. The interest payments on this debt alone are driving inflation, and Trump and Republcians blame Biden for all of these problems. Trump is responsible for Putin ivading Ukraine. Putin believed that Trump had so alienated US allies and NATO that he could slide right in Ukraine and take over. Biden pulled together support from NATO allies, which is something Trump could never have done. If Trump was able to pull off another cheat, Ukraine would have fallen by now and Zelenskyy would be dead. It’s easy to see how Trump is so deeply in debt: he has no leadership skills, patritotic motivation or economic sense. He is a bully, a narcissist and a liar and his arrogance and efforts to push around other world leaders has cost American credibility.
There is literally NO evidence that there was widespread voter fraud in 2020. Every single poll predicted the outcome: that Trump would lose. The majority of Americans were sick to death of him, his botching of the pandemic, his trade war with China, schools, factories and businesses closed down for about 2 years. Kids still haven’t caught up with their school work and allowing the pandemic to get out of control has provided an opportunity for variants that are still causing sickness. This is Trump’s fault because he refused to listen to public health experts. Because of sanctions against Russia, which ws emboldened by Trump trashing EU and our NATO alllies, there are now international shortages of petroleum. High gas prices are also Trump’s fault. The facts speak for themselves.
how do you find time to firebomb Pro-Life centers, lead anarchist groups like Jane’s Revenge and spout lies on here? Not that Nancy Pelosi will investigate any of these anarchist groups. She likely funds them.
Political violence blamed in arson at anti-abortion group’s center in Amherst
A center in Eggertsville operated by an anti-abortion group was firebombed early Tuesday in an apparent act of political violence, officials with the organization said.” Jane was here,” was written on the side of the building at 1230 Eggert Road, off Main Street, where several windows were shattered and offices were extensively damaged by flames and smoke. Jane’s Revenge claimed to be behind a fire set last month at an anti-abortion office in Madison, Wis.
– Buffalo News
Jane’s Revenge:</strong!
https://www.anarchistfederation.net/janes-revenge-night-of-rage/
per Who.is, they are hosted by GoDaddy which has historically dumped conservative organizations from their hosting platforms.
“Trump was not just the worse POTUS in US History:”
Under Trump, how were gas prices? How was inflation? Where is the baby formula?
Do you have any intelligence?
Are you writing from a mental institution?
I remember in 20 how high lumber prices were, millions of unemployed, trillions in deficit spending and negative gdp.
Can you remember? How surprising. Then you also remember low gas prices, an economic boom, lower taxes, no wars, agreements in the Middle East, No Ukraine war before or after, a closing border, lower death rates from drugs, no attempts to kill Supreme Court Justices, etc.
But you don’t remember Covid and the left shutting down the states they controlled. You forget the vaccine Trump got despite the opposition from the left. You forget what Biden said about Trump when people died. More people died from Covid under Joe Biden in around six months, and the numbers continue to rise. Biden had everything handed to him, vaccines and drugs. He bumbled everything along with the Democrat House and Senate.
How much more senile are you than Joe Biden?
2020: lumber prices insane if you could get it, toilet paper was scarce, millions unemployed, negative gdp, trillions in deficits, hospitals overrun with covid patients, hand sanitizer going for $50 a bottle. Gas prices were down because the idiot shut the country down and no one could go anywhere. Yeah, fun times
Ed Buck wants you to visit him in WeHo. He has your meth package
Ed Buck Trial: Meth fetishes turn fatal
LOS ANGELES (CNS) – A Los Angeles man who said he lived with Ed Buck for five weeks alleged Thursday that the former political donor became angry when he showed signs of overdosing on a sedative and the methamphetamine Buck is suspected of repeatedly shooting into his arm.
Dane Brown, 39, said he was living in a Skid Row hotel when he met Buck in June 2019 on a gay dating and escort site and was invited to his West Hollywood apartment for drugs and sex. Brown told the jury that upon his first visit, he smoked methamphetamine with Buck and noticed a red Craftsman tool chest filed with crystal methamphetamine, sex toys, syringes and glass pipes.
Days later, Buck sent an Uber for Brown, who admitted he was having “cravings” for methamphetamine, known on the street as “tina,” the witness said.
“He asked if I slammed (used needles),” Brown said, adding that he had in fact shot the drug a few times previously but never injected it directly into a vein.
https://wehoville.com/2021/07/22/ed-buck-trial-meth-fetishes-turn-fatal/#comments
I just responded to your twin. You are an idiot.
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Can you remember? How surprising. Then you also remember low gas prices, an economic boom, lower taxes, no wars, agreements in the Middle East, No Ukraine war before or after, a closing border, lower death rates from drugs, no attempts to kill Supreme Court Justices, etc.
But you don’t remember Covid and the left shutting down the states they controlled. You forget the vaccine Trump got despite the opposition from the left. You forget what Biden said about Trump when people died. More people died from Covid under Joe Biden in around six months, and the numbers continue to rise. Biden had everything handed to him, vaccines and drugs. He bumbled everything along with the Democrat House and Senate.
How much more senile are you than Joe Biden?
After reading that I guess I should be happy about Biden being president
BUT I’M NOT
Delusional thinking on your part. Keep donating sucker.
The Washington Examiner: “In a new Rasmussen Reports survey on the film shared with Secrets, 77% said that they left the movie “strengthened their conviction that there was systematic and widespread election fraud in the 2020 election.
And that is significant because the poll also suggested that over 20 million voters have viewed the documentary debuted last month at Florida’s Mar-a-Lago resort, former President Donald Trump’s winter residence.”
The documentary was in the theater in my neighborhood just recently. Truthout says all the data will be released for public consumption, but without 2000 Mules, there is significant proof that the election was not secure, that it was lawless, and if illegal ballots were not counted Biden would have lost the swing states.
I believe it vital to keep pushing 2000 Mules. The MSM will not publish things in favor of Trump even when they are sure they are true. The MSM will, however, knowingly post lies about Trump, even lies that were debunked.
We are facing the worst threat to our nation outside of nuclear war. That threat is real. We cannot trust what we read from the Biden administration or from the MSM. There is a war in Ukraine, and that, in part, is a deflection. The truth about Ukraine is significantly hidden no matter which side of the debate one is on. The one true fact is that Russia is a declining nation while China is a rising threat. Time will tell.
The Rasmussen site says that only 15% of voters have seen it. 20 million would be 15% of 133 million voters. So it’s possible. However, I believe the big takeaway from their survey is:
Among voters who have seen “2000 Mules,” 85% of Republicans, 68% of Democrats and 77% of unaffiliated voters say the movie strengthened their conviction that there was systematic and widespread election fraud in the 2020 election.
Among voters who have seen the documentary, 78% say they would recommend “2000 Mules” to others regardless of whether or not they share their political beliefs. That includes 84% of Republicans, 73% of Democrats and 74% of unaffiliated voters who have seen the film.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/2000_mules_documentary_s_message_resonates_with_voters
This tells me that we have roughly 75% of voters across the political spectrum that recognize the threat voter fraud is to them personally. That’s encouraging. I still believe Bezmenov’s warnings to be accurate. But of the generations currently eligible to vote, the Marxists have still only managed to lock down about 25% he would identify as demoralized. That number will likely increase as the Leftists continue to pump out more useful idiots from our education system.
I don’t care what anyone thinks of Glenn Beck, he had this to say back in 2019: we are one election away from losing the Constitution of the United States of America. The fundamental transformation that Barack Obama was looking for is this [upcoming] presidential election away,
https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/why-2020-hopefuls-back-green-new-deal
We’re close, but we’re one legitimate election away from stopping the current madness. And two legitimate elections away from beginning to restore this beautiful republic. That’s why Dinesh’s documentary is so important. It opens minds to the threat.
There aren’t going to be any more fair elections. The establishment has fine tuned the cheating and lined the entire Corporate media up to parrot Government talking points. This experiment in freedom is over.
Mespo asks:
“Watched “2000 Mules” yet? Over a million people have.”
And Turley ain’t one of them. I’m with Turley on this one. If he ever praises it, I’ll eat my hat.
And Turley ain’t one of them. I’m with Turley on this one.
That’s just embarrassing. You aren’t fooling anyone. No matter how desperately you invoke JT as your guiding light, the two of you are not of the same world. You tried attacking him through the FoxNews angle, but that blew up in your face as FoxNews proved time and again to be the network home for a rational and logical constitutional scholar like Jonathan Turley. Now you build strawmen that you declare make you and JT ideological mates. That strategy isn’t working either. He’s got integrity. He’s got principles. In other words, he’s everything you are not.
Olly,
First, while Turley and I share a mutual contempt for the “carnival snake charmer,” he is not my guiding light. I denounce Turley’s hypocrisy and his selling out to Fox News. Case in point:
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/06/subpoena-wars-washington-is-on-a-path-to-mutually-assured-destruction/comment-page-3/#comment-2191096
Second, Turley will flee Fox News just as others have done. It’s just a matter of time. The fact that Turley never commented on the recent high-profile Fox departures tells you that he could not disagree with their reasons for doing so.
Third, if “2000 Mules” is so compelling and fact-based, why on earth has Turley not praised it? His silence proves once again that he is a NeverTrumper just like I am.
Olly, face it.
Blaxit. Hysterical.
From Politico:
“At least 21 Black staffers have left the White House since late last year or are planning to leave soon. Some of those who remain say it’s no wonder why: They describe a work environment with little support from their superiors and fewer chances for promotion.”
The Politico report claimed that nearly two dozen (21) Black staffers had resigned in recent months over a range of reasons from personal family matters to pursuing graduate school studies. The report of the so-called “Blaxit” also detailed tensions inside and around the White House and other issues like fewer opportunities for promotion or needing to earn more money that caused them to resign or seriously contemplate leaving.
– The Grio
Jeff, if you read Turley or listened to him outside of this blog and outside of political matters, you would find that his greatest contempt is for people like you. He doesn’t know you, doesn’t want to know you and wonders why such contemptuous people exist.
Please stop replying to “trolls and juvenile posters”. Ignore them. Stop giving them what the want. It’s that easy.
Don’t watch fiction movies. Sad this country has so many uneducated thinkers out there that still believe an election could be stolen.
That is what happens when leftists groom children and force feed them gender affirming hormones
bwahahahahaahaa
“Don’t watch fiction movies.”
You create fiction. 2000 Mules is a documentary.
Foolishness seems to multiply on this site. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. We just had a Presidential election that more and more looks like it was stolen, but fools don’t bother to see why. They repeat themselves in different forms.
“this electoral challenge was not made in good faith.”
2000 Mules proves Biden would have lost the swing states if the illegal ballots weren’t counted. Did you see 2000 Mules? No. Do you know about those ballots, yes, but you want to pretend that those ballots from ballot trafficking were legal. You are wrong. They were illegal ballots based on more than one illegal action. Likely there were many illegal actions taken. Jeff, you are lawless and willfully ignorant.
Opposing the validity of the ballots is NOT a crime. The crime, according to the left, is pointing out illegal ballots and concluding that the election was NOT secure and that Democrats were involved in a giant fraud. There is little question about that and that is why Jeff’s voice is so shrill. He can’t handle it. He is used to getting what he wants and he is used to the employees that do menial work for him (probably underpaid illegal aliens) looking up to him as the Master.
By the way, we now have other sorts of proof in the swing states, each of which put the “secure” election in considerable doubt. All one has to do is read how many ballots are in question. Hundreds of thousands, and they likely are the tip of the iceberg.
Illegal actions do not matter to a despotic government. Such governments ignore that type of claim and place people’s arms and legs in irons, publicly, to make sure everyone smiles and makes believe the despots were properly elected. That is what we are seeing with Navarro. He is an example to force everyone to shut up about the truth.
2000 Mules PROVES nothing other than the gullibility of Trump supporters and the lengths to which they will go to try to turn the Big Lie into truth. Never forget that the Big Lie STARTED EVEN BEFORE ELECTION DAY solely because polls predicted Trump would lose. He’d made a total disaster out of the US economy and our public health, started a trade war, ran up unemployment above 10% and caused a record deficit that is fueling inflatin now. Americans were sick to death of this pig which is why he never got even a 50% approval rating in 4 years’ time. He couldn’t manipulate the Electoral College a second time, but he did everything possible to cheat his way back into power he stole in 2016, including litigation, bullying and conspiring to prevent certification of Biden’s victory. The election was the most-secure in US history according to Trump’s own head of cyber security, Chris Krebs, who was fired for telling this truth. THERE WAS NO WIDESPREAD ELECTION FRAUD. Trump lost by 8 million votes.
“2000 Mules PROVES nothing other than the gullibility of Trump supporters “
Did you see 2000 Mules?
“2000 Mules PROVES nothing other than the gullibility of Trump supporters “
Did you see 2000 Mules?
I believe the same with Navarro having Govt Lawfare thrown at him as the same with Americans like these guys. Same of these people need other Americans to slip them $20 bucks or more for lawyers fees. :
https://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-charge-volusia-countys-joe-213417866.html
I think some of those J6’ers still being held in the DC Gestapo have a Give Send Go account people can give to.
It may take them $250K to $500 for Lawyer fees before they settle these cases.
https://www.givesendgo.com/JoeBiggs
You are right Oky. I am dreaming that if the Republicans win, a Republican committee will lock Nancy Pelosi up until she provides all the communications she had with everyone associated with Jan6. Of course it’s just a dream.
Turley warns:
Turley NEVER to condemn
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Turley says:
Hey! Retard. I read the article, I know the author. I don’t need some know nothing retard regurgitating content he has no intellectual capacity to understand.
Speak for yourself.
Iowan2,
Thanks for reading my comment. More to come. Stay tuned.
-retard.
Retard, don’t fool your self, I never read all your cut and paste brainless dross. I just noted how you are too stupid to expand, and add to. another persons intellectual content. So, like the retard you are, you cut and paste, then lie to yourself about how you think it makes you look informed. But it just another lie a retard tells themself.
Iowan,
Taking time to read what a retard writes is worse than being one.
If you learn anything today, learn this. You feed the “trolls and juvenile posters” when you reply to their posts. Ignore them. It is easy.
First – it is irrelevant whether the argument is in good faith.
Left wing nuts do not seem to grasp that bad motives do not make legal acts into crimes.
But the claim of Bad Faith is nonsense. Substantial portions of the country beleived and still beleive the election was stolen.
You can TRY to argue that they are wrong in that beleif – but it is still true.
In arguably the election was conducted lawlessly. That alone is sufficient justification for Trump’s actions.
As to “knowing that the election was not stolen” – when you have a clue about the massive fraudulent ballot harvesting operation maybe you can say that. But your head is in the sand.
You are free to delude yourself about the facts.
But you are not free to criminalize not sharing your delusion.
Regardless, I thought Turley was you god ?
Fox and the right are far from perfect.
But they did not spend the past 6 years LYING about Russian collusion.
Big Tech,
The MSM
The left,
Democrats.
Are all to some – often large extent guilty of either advancing that lie, or being gulible enough to beleive it.
You do not have the credibility to accuse others of pretty much anything.
Personally, I think arguing with left wing nuts such as yourself is fruitless.
You are not going to grasp the injusice and hypocracy until you are subject to the same standards.
When The FBI show up on your door to arrest you because someone alleged you are distributing Child Porn
then you might start to get a clue as to why an investigation MUST meet a minimum standard of credibility,
and why false claims about the misconduct of others is a very serious crime.
When Republicans start investigating the Biden admin and reject claims of executive privildge as in applicable
then maybe you will ponder when that is true.
When republicans start committes to investigate democratic misconduct and change the rule such that only democrats swearing fealty to republicans are allowed on those committes.
When Republicans start using the same tactics and strategies as democrats then you will start questioning the morality of those tactics and strategies.
But republicans have a major advantage over democrats – they are not so bat$hit cazy and do not need to make up claims of misconduct.
Outhousecounsel says about Turley:
“It would be good if you based your opinions on the facts.”
Ouch!
I get a sense the Trumpists are beginning to turn on Turley…..
I told you so.
You seem to divide the world into l;eft wing nuts and Trumpists.
Turley is a real liberal – a dying breed. Real liberalism has flaw, but it is far superiod to modern progressivism.
Libertarians like myself can share significnat common ground with liberals as well as conservatives, but there is virtually none with progressives.
Only the left is likely to “come after Turley” as they already have.
The rest of us will agree much of the time and disagree occasionally.
Regardless, Turley is slowly moving towards libertarianism.
YOU are red pilling him.
“I get a sense the Trumpists are beginning to turn on Turley”
You’re projecting how you would act when you disagree with someone. Sometimes I vehemently disagree with Turley, but I still respect him. Such respectful disagreement is alien to the modern authoritarian left so I understand why you are confused.
Ivan,
You know damn well that Trump would not respect Turley if Trump knew what Turley says about him. Trump would call him a flat out “loser.” Even you can’t deny that. And if Trump would say that, no Trumpists would think differently. That too you can’t deny.
I voted for Trump twice, but I don’t like him and I hope DeSantis runs instead. Yet I’m a “Trumpist” in the sense that I’m definitely part of the “America first/domestic populist” movement.
Of course Trump would disrespect Turley if he heard any criticism. He always reacts against any criticism by raising the stakes: “you throw rocks, I throw boulders.” And, in the moment, most Trumpers would back him up…that’s human nature. But among the “thinking people” this doesn’t fly especially with someone like Turley who we have respect for. Hell, Trump is ready to take cheap shots at DeSantis behind closed doors but at least he has the sense(for now) not to do it publicly because he knows how popular DeSantis is with the Trump base.
So…I should have been more nuanced in my response 🙂
Ivan,
I appreciate your honesty. No Trumpist would say the things you do about Trump even among their fellow Trumpists. Raising doubts about his veracity is a sign of disloyalty to Trump and threatens him.
Good for you. I apologize if I had ever called you a “Trumpist.”
and I apologize for my sometimes overaggressive responses. You’re right that tribalism occurs on the right as well as the left which is why I have always been registered as an Independent even though I voted exclusively for Dems for most of my life.
It must suck to be Putin. Imagine spending every minute of your life having to be punitive toward everyone about everything.
That’s no way to live. I wouldn’t want to be him. He should do something more productive. Oil painting. Yes. That’s it.
Putin can be the new Bob Ross. Putin with an afro. Just imagine…
Aninny:
I think Putin should paint campaign maps. Anyone who can read one knows Putin has won the Ukrainian invasion. He can paint away secure in the knowlege he’s accomplished his goals in what he sees as being in his country’s interests. Zelensky is the big loser ceding away 80% of his warm water port capacity and both breakaway eastern provices. Oh, Zelensky can do the smart thing and sue for peace or the American Dim thing and double down and keep fighting on with a losing hand. Here’s betting the latter. Woe to his countrymen and to Biden for toppling the duly elected pro-Russian government before Zelensky. Zelensky sowed the wind and will noe reap the whirlwind.
“Zelensky can do the smart thing and sue for peace”
The problem is that he didn’t do so when he had the chance. Suing for peace now means not only relinquishing Lughansk, Donestk, and Crimea, but also Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. And there’s just no way Russia at this point would accede to peace without also taking Odessa. The Russian people will not accept peace without all these Russian regions being returned.
Of course, Ukraine could have kept the Donbas if they had simply adhered to the Minsk accords that were brokered by France and Germany back in 2014/2015. There is no going back and no going forward for Zelensky. His days are numbered.
Ivan:
“The problem is that he didn’t do so when he had the chance. Suing for peace now means not only relinquishing Lughansk, Donestk, and Crimea, but also Zaporizhzhia and Kherson.”
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I agree with everything you said. As a world leader, Zelensky makes a good penis comedian. I think we can be of service here by negotiating with the Russians to allow Odessa to remain in Ukrainian hands so long as the Minsk Agreements are honored. We’ll need a peace keeping force to referee but it’s doable. Russia has won this thing and we need to drop the oil embargo and free up the supply of goods. So good to hear an informed adult assessment of the situation.
Kudos and gracias, Ivan, to internationalize a phrase!
I do think Putin would agree to such a deal although the Russian people would not be satisfied. The deal would have to be bigger than Minsk and include a Europe-wide security treaty where NATO permanently stops it’s expansion towards Russia and the armed forces are pulled away from each other along with an end to sanctions. The problem is that this would be such a step down from the “Putin must go” rhetoric and it needs to happen soon. Perhaps losing the battle for Donbas will change our minds. Let’s hope for a return of rationality.