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Last-Chance Hearing: Jan. 6 Committee Has Yet To Establish A Criminal Case Against Trump
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Below is my column in the Hill on today’s final scheduled hearing of the J6 Committee. While the Committee can continue to schedule new hearings, the eighth hearing highlights the fact a compelling criminal case against President Donald Trump has still not been made. Despite the prior promises of the members, the hearings have largely amplified what was previously known rather than introduce new “smoking gun” evidence. Even in the absence of a single dissenting member, the Committee has not been able to make the long-promised criminal case.

Here is the column:

The eighth and final scheduled hearing of the House Jan. 6 select committee is scheduled for Thursday, and its members reportedly will present a time line of events on that day, particularly the 187 minutes between the end of then-President Trump’s speech on the Ellipse and his call for supporters to leave the Capitol.

It will again replay moments from the horrific to the heroic. What it has not shown thus far, however, is what was promised at the outset: a clear criminal case against Trump.

At the start of the hearings, committee members promised they had the long-sought smoking-gun evidence — new material that would close the circle on Trump. Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) indicated he thought there was now “credible evidence” to support a variety of criminal charges. His colleague, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), said the committee would show that Trump organized a “coup” on Jan. 6, 2021.

No sooner had the hearings begun when many in the media declared that the criminal case had been conclusively proven — even though most of what was being presented was already generally known.

It often sounded more like a prayer than proof.

Former Nixon counsel John Dean said an indictment would be forthcoming because “I don’t see how the line prosecutors at the Department of Justice can’t take a lot of this evidence and use it. … Trump is in trouble. Trump is in trouble.”

Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe said the question was only what would be charged first, since Trump’s felonies were shown “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” That included an allegedly clear case of attempted murder of former Vice President Pence.

Yet, on the eve of the primetime hearing this week, committee members sound strikingly less prosecutorial. Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.) told CNN that “I look at it as a dereliction of duty. He didn’t act. He did not take action to stop the violence.”

It is difficult to make a criminal case over what an official failed to do. Yet the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. As unnerving as these proposals were, they also were not carried out.

It is the type of evidence used to show mens rea — “guilty mind.” However, crimes generally require both guilty minds and guilty acts. Building a criminal case on the failure to act to stop the violence is a notoriously difficult case to make. It has been raised in various contexts without success even when officials had direct law enforcement duties, as in Seattle with the CHOP zone in the summer of 2020. It is even more difficult when the House committee has blocked any serious investigation into the potentially contributing failure of Congress to take better precautions before the riot, another costly act of omission.

The committee has built a powerful case that no compelling evidence of widespread voter fraud existed in the 2020 presidential election, and that Trump knew (or should have known) he was asserting baseless allegations. White House strategy sessions became increasingly heated between Trump’s two teams of lawyers, including a breathtaking Dec. 18, 2020, meeting when two lawyers seemed close to a physical altercation. Clearly, Trump only heard what he wanted to hear — but that does not prove he knew the election was valid.

The committee has portrayed Trump’s reliance on a private legal team as knowingly dishonest by calling it “Team Crazy.” However, the committee also portrayed Trump as a raving egomaniac who could not accept that he lost the election to Joe Biden.

But, again, it is a difficult criminal case to make, based on a layperson believing one set of lawyers over another. Former prosecutor and former senator Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) said of the hearings that “as a former prosecutor myself, everything that I’ve heard, I think it would be a very tough indictment to get.”

It is not even clear, after seven hearings, what crime we are discussing.

The conspiracy to insurrection claim of the second Trump impeachment has turned into accusations of obstruction of Congress, seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to defraud, or the dereliction of duty suggested by committee members like Rep. Luria.

Attorney General Merrick Garland clearly is looking for evidence of criminal conduct and could seek an indictment. If based on the committee’s evidence, however, it is a criminal case that would be ripe for reversal even if a conviction could be secured from a favorable District of Columbia jury.

Looking objectively at the evidence, the committee never supplied “credible” proof of crimes. That is not to say the evidence is not shocking; indeed, it is like a series of “jump scares” involving Trump and others raising unfounded or unconstitutional courses of conduct.

However, the most damning evidence concerns what Trump failed to do in those 187 minutes.

Trump has stressed that he told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.

Many have denounced that delay, and some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it or soon after it ended. His was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.

It is the type of evidence that should have been gathered before the second impeachment, to make a case for conviction in the Senate. Instead, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and others opted for a “snap impeachment,” holding a single hearing. Today, they seem to be building the case I recommended in 2021 — just 19 months too late.

Trump still could face charges in Georgia over efforts to force a recount there and pressuring state officials to “find” the needed votes. However, the committee spent much of its time with Georgia witnesses in showing how they were hounded by Trump supporters and publicly mistreated by Trump. That again is outrageous and reckless, but not necessarily criminal. A Georgia case could also bog down on the question of Trump’s intent and knowledge in pushing election fraud claims.

The Jan. 6 committee has made a case against Trump personally and politically. It has not done so criminally. This final scheduled hearing would be an excellent time for that promised case to be finally made.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. Follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

321 thoughts on “Last-Chance Hearing: Jan. 6 Committee Has Yet To Establish A Criminal Case Against Trump”

  1. He’s obsessed with liberal anonymous commenters, whence his nickname, Meyer the Obsessed Troll Liar.

    1. Keep telling yourself these things. That won’t help but proper medication might.

    1. Mespo, I think your response was deleted along with Anonymous the Stupid. Using the Repy button on the email might preserve yours when his disappears.
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      “Sicknick death ruled ‘natural’ but experts say stress can set off strokes”
      *****************************
      So can scary movies. I say “The Exorcist” killed Sicknick. Or maybe karma has a say in it. Who knows? Certainly not the doofuses running the Kangaroo Committee. Straws are not safe while the Dims are in town!

      https://www.healthline.com/health/how-do-horror-movies-affect-your-mental-health#sleep

    2. Mespo, it seems you were on another page so you must have used the Reply button.

      The discussion was:
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      Mespo, I think your response was deleted along with Anonymous the Stupid. Using the Repy button on the email might preserve yours when his disappears.
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      “Sicknick death ruled ‘natural’ but experts say stress can set off strokes”
      *****************************
      So can scary movies. I say “The Exorcist” killed Sicknick. Or maybe karma has a say in it. Who knows? Certainly not the doofuses running the Kangaroo Committee. Straws are not safe while the Dims are in town!

      https://www.healthline.com/health/how-do-horror-movies-affect-your-mental-health#sleep

  3. This J6Q bread and circus farce is a media oriented high tech propaganda deal. It s a one way one party seal barking fin slapping sideshow bob hornswaggle of a boondoggle. No defence , no factual counter to the clown show of biased rhetoric. Liz cheney and adam kinzinger two fake grifters of their alleged party brand…. one gerrymandered out of office by his demoslavic buddies and the other a pure uniparty operator soon to be out of a party and office. Karma , its a beautiful thing for useful idiots of the left.

    1. The vast majority of the testimony is from Republicans.

      Many of them worked for Trump for years.

      You simply can’t accept what they’re saying.

      1. You simply can’t accept what they’re saying.

        You can’t accept what they are saying. shows there is no crime.

  5. deleted post: “Were it not for Trump, Brian Sicknick would still be alive today, in all likelihood.
    “

    Anonymous the Stupid uses a new tactic to post lies so no one can respond. He proves he can not be trusted. It has already been documented that Sicknick’s death was due to a stroke.

    Anonymous the Stupid has no credibility.

    1. It’s probably Bug, who has been banned. All liberals look alike to you.

      1. That is a possibility for any singular posting but most of the posts that are dropped are from you and it is intentional on your part. If you want to blame the Bug do so, but it isn’t erroneous to call that type of poster Anonymous the Stupid. You can tell us when you feel you are being blamed for someone else but that is your fault. You have no identity and no name.

        1. You have a name: Meyer the Obsessed Troll Liar, which also describes your identity.

          1. That is a possibility for any singular posting but most of the posts that are dropped are from you and it is intentional on your part. If you want to blame the Bug do so, but it isn’t erroneous to call that type of poster Anonymous the Stupid. You can tell us when you feel you are being blamed for someone else but that is your fault. You have no identity and no name.

  6. “The troll who calls himself S. Meyer appears to have Darren’s blessing.” Said by ATS

    You are lying to the entire blog and insulting those that run it. Your post was deleted based on your own decision. You used your banned email address. I think you have demonstrated why an email address of yours was banned. Maybe you were cursing or doing something else not permitted and didn’t listen to the multiple warnings and continued.

    I don’t have Darren’s blessing, but he is more than generous in letting you post and spitefully hurt other posters. I think you should be banned no matter what email address you choose. You are a nasty person whose intention is to destroy the continuity of the blog and occupy it.

    I note that Anonymous the Stupid has been posting up a storm, and I wasn’t even around. Most of what he said was meaningless, and I note, most of the people responding to him can see through his nonsense.

    I’m waiting for ATS to post facts that haven’t already been proven wrong, post without spin and lies, and apologize to the blog for his abominable behavior.

    In the meantime, the best we can hope for is he will find the correct medication.

  7. One thing never mentioned is that cellphones and the internet was not working,the feds were jamming all signals…..so how exactly was Trump suppose to ‘tell his supporters to go home’….lol.
    It’s another democrat fever dream…187 minutes reeee reeeeee….muh 187 minutes reeeeee.
    Lol.

    1. You’re delusional.

      Cell phones and the internet were working on 1/6/21 just like they’re working today.

      1. But the FBI can’t use the locational data to identify the person placing the pipe bombs? They are on camera using their phone–date/place/time. Nor can they identify the 20+ individuals at the front of the mob at the point of entry, not even “scaffold man” with a bullhorn, no mask, yelling for people to charge in. Like Ray Epps?

        Meanwhile look what a combined force of 100 Guesstapos did to a couple in San Marcos Texas. They were photographed standing outside the Capitol washing tear gas out of people’s eyes. The never went near the doors. The feds did steal their cell phones and Trump memorabilia.

        This is what fascism looks like. A Reichstag fire. Witch Whitmer in Michigan knows all about it.

  8. Maybe Democrats are trying to out-do Monty Python?

    MONKS:

    [chanting]

    Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem.

    [bonk]

    …dona eis requiem.

    CROWD: A witch! A witch!

    [bonk]

    A witch! A witch!

    MONKS: [chanting] Pie Iesu domine…

    CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We’ve found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We’ve got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We’ve found a witch! We’ve found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!

    VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch. May we burn her?

    CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!

    BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a witch?

    VILLAGER #2: She looks like one.

    CROWD: Right! Yeah! Yeah!
    …..

    BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?

    VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.

    BEDEVERE: A newt?

    VILLAGER #3: I got better.

    VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!

    VILLAGER #1: Burn!

    CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her!…

  9. Thompson and Cheney just announced that there will be more public hearings in September, so tonight’s is not the final one.

      1. The House Republicans also tweeted about Sarah Matthews that she’s “Just another liar and pawn in Pelosi’s witch-hunt” (https://twitter.com/HouseGOP/status/1550276604026314753), then deleted it after others pointed out that she’s currently one of their communications directors, working on the climate committee. What idiots they are.

    2. They’ve got to keep it going right up to the election. What else to they have except Hate Trump. And his “baseless claims”. Nobody ever mentions the 3 years of baseless claims of TrumpRussiaCollusion that ran 24/7 on the FakeNewsNetworks?

      When I searched the (Google sock puppet) Wikipedia for “Kevin Clinesmith” it said no results found.

    3. Sure there will be more, the closer the election gets. That’s the purpose of the election. The narrative will start to focus on Republicans winning in Dem districts. The hearings have never been anything political opposition operation.

      That evidence the committee claims they have, was supposed to be revealed tonight. But nope, more tut tutting about what wasn’t done. Pushing the lie that the Executive Branch as any constitutional power in the Capital, or property controlled by the city of Washington DC

  10. It doesn’t matter that they can’t make a criminal case, the testimony will be used to fabricate false charges if Trump announces his candidacy. The strategy will be to imprison Trump on those false charges and without bail until after the election to prevent him from campaigning. Like the criminal case against Trump in New York state where the two prosecutors resigned. It’s all a matter of timing.

  11. democrats insist on beclowing themselves. We have lunatics running the house.

  12. I voted in Georgia during 2020 and moved in late 2021. After 2020 election the GA State Senate had a committee investigate the election for fraud. They found fraud in multiple ways:
    1. Mail in ballots were sent from bogus addresses in the state and outside the state, sometimes in mass.
    2. The numbers of ballots reported at times could not match people voting
    3. Fulton County stopped added ballots because of a “water pipe issue” and cleared all people out, but per videos a few Democrats stayed behind pulling out hidden ballots and feeding them into the system
    4. Many ballots showed just Biden and no others on them
    5. A GA southern county clerk showed how the Dominion Voting Machine could change any ballot without being tied to the internet
    6. The Dominion Voting Machines, mail in ballots, and additional drop boxes were a decision by the GOV and SoS without Legislature input or approval and per the US Constitution the Legislature is required to make and approve all changes
    7. Massive drop box stuffing happened
    8. Ballots are required per Federal Law to be kept for 22 months but a large per centage are missing
    This was given to the GA State Senate and GOV Kemp but neither took it forward.

    Emerald Robinson on 7/20/22 is giving: VoterGA Uncovers Massive Election Fraud in Georgia

    1. Much of what you’ve written has been debunked. For example, your claim that “Fulton County stopped added ballots because of a “water pipe issue” and cleared all people out, but per videos a few Democrats stayed behind pulling out hidden ballots and feeding them into the system” is debunked here: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/video-doesnt-show-suitcases-of-illegal-ballots-in-georgia/
      Also see the testimony under oath about this at one of the Jan. 6 Committee hearings:

      2. Clearly all it takes for you is a Democrat that says “I didnt do it” in order to prove to you that everyone else lying and that your eyes are not actually seeing what they see……….

      3. I saw that substack piece and it’s more evidence that won’t be on the news. Somebody up in the Murdoch mafia has ordered it so nothing on Fox. Did you know there are CONVICTIONS for box stuffing in Arizona? Yuma county I believe, Democrat operatives of many years at the center of it.

        https://www.azag.gov/press-release/guillermina-fuentes-enters-guilty-plea-yuma-county-ballot-harvesting-case

        but like other Democrats caught committing crimes, probation.

        https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/06/02/election-fraud-plea-deal-leads-to-disturbing-disclosures-about-ballot-harvesting-investigation/

        And the people who insist there is No Evidence are the same people who are hysterically against Voter ID.

        Even Mexico has Voter ID.

  13. “The committee has built a powerful case that no compelling evidence of widespread voter fraud existed in the 2020 presidential election, …” Given that testimony showing evidence of election fraud was not (and still isn’t) permitted, it’s hard to see how there is any such “powerful case”. All you are left with is an assertion, against which challenges are forbidden. But this is standard practice in any show trial, which is what the committee is running.

  14. No evidence of voter fraud! – you sir are not very informed, a creature mix of a lawyer and a news contributor, which amounts to one ignorant fellow.

    2. Full of lies, but truthful information in the comments!
      My thanks to the ignorant journalist who wrote all these obvious lies so that Truth-tellers can bring forth the honest truth with their comments! We cannot depend upon journalists or the Media any longer, they have ALL been taken over by the government and are spewing nothing but propaganda telling us what they want to brainwash us into believing so that we will turn over and go back to sleep. Wake up all! Our government has been taken over by a foreign enemy!

      1. Trump showed his loyalty to Putin in Helsinki when he spit on the military, intelligence people and took Putin’s word over them. We were being run by Putin and Russia as the NRA has shown with millions given to their political action committee, so we can now call it the National Russia Association.

  16. First, Carter’s cited statement was NOT directed at Trump’s efforts to get officials “to find the needed votes.” Second, since when is the term “zealous advancement” confined to courtroom argument???? I smile at your response, thanks anyway, have a good day….

  17. The “criminal case” against the Real President Donald J. Trump is willfully and deliberately committing political assault and battery against Hillary “The Corrupt,” and WINNING the U.S. Presidency.

    The communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) just hate that!

    It makes them crazy.

    It deranges them.

    They don’t want to see a real, patriotic American President EVER again!

  18. You sir are FULL-O-CRAP to sit there and say there was no voter fraud is straight up BS you don’t even believe, stop with the WIDE SPREAD moniker BS, you only need to cheat BIG in six damned cities sir. 50 percent f the population says they stole the election. including 33 percent pf the Dems, and you think that is OK? LOL

    1. “Immigration” is election fraud and voter corruption. It has been since Jan. 1, 1863. Why do you think the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) facilitate and conduct it?

    2. LOL this statement had me laughing out loud: “The committee has built a powerful case that no compelling evidence of widespread voter fraud existed in the 2020 presidential election?

      There is enough video evidence of Dems cheating that I have seen and is readily available for all to see that the Dems cheated. Its beyond credible, its literally film of people illegally dropping off tons of ballots into drop boxes and taking selfies of them doing it, its film of Ruby in GA running fraudulent ballots through the machines 5-7 times etc. Nobody has made a case these things didn’t happen, we all saw them happen. There was massive fraud. Not to mention that AZ did a forensic analysis and declared Trump won by over 250K votes. Are you a liar or super uninformed?

  19. Since you went on the Fox payroll, I find it impossible to take you seriously. First of all, the J 6 committee will have more hearings in the future because more witnesses have come forward–some of whom will corroborate the testimony of those who have already testified and who are being attacked by your employer as liars. Secondly, the purpose of the J 6 committee was to investigate the root causes of the insurrection–not to create criminal liability for Trump. You claim there isn’t “compelling” evidence of Trump’s crimes, and therefore lamely try to make the case that members of the committee who said there was evidence of crimes are wrong. NO, Turley, YOU are the one who is wrong. You claim: “Looking objectively at the evidence, the committee never supplied “credible” proof of crimes.” Turley: you are NOT objective–you’re on the payroll of Fox News, so your analysis is anything but objective. You are actually trying to blame the House for the Trump Insurrection: “It is even more difficult when the House committee has blocked any serious investigation into the potentially contributing failure of Congress to take better precautions before the riot, another costly act of omission.” THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO INSURRECTION BUT FOR TRUMP INTENTIONALLY LYING ABOUT HIS “LANDSLIDE VICTORY” BEING “STOLEN”. The only one responsible for the insurreciton is Trump. What “better precautions” should Congress have taken, and why should it be necessary–Trump and his campaign KNEW what was coming because they were involved in the planning. You also try to throw dirt on Nancy Pelosi for not conducting a more-comprehensive investigation before the second impeachment. You know that no quantum of evidence would ever have resulted in most Republicans voting to impeach the pig. You again repeat the Fox talking point that Trump used the word “peacefully” once in his incitement speech in which he also said: “fight like hell or you’re not going to have a country any more”. What does “fight like hell” mean in this context? Trump KNEW they had weapons. There were planning meetings at the Willard Hotel with the Proud Boys, who conducted reconaissance before Jan 6th to figure out the best way to break into the Capitol. Trump’s campaign was directly involved.. What was there to “peacefully” or otherwise protest? The Big Lie that Trump knew was a lie? You’ve lost all credibility. Turley.

    3. The volume of your worthless lie filled rant is impressive but not so the content. Carry on Grasshopper……

    4. The election was stolen. I voted in the 2000 election, by the way, for a democrat. Al Gore made a huge stink about it and it went to the supreme court. In a democracy, its okay to accuse the other party of cheating. It means we go take a look, check it out, then decide if there was evidence of cheating. We don’t imprison people for having concerns. No one suggested Gore go to prison. No, in fascist dictatorship, thats when you keep your mouth shut. Its totally fine to hate trump. We don’t have to destroy the whole system in search of vengence.

      1. Gore did the right thing: he went to court for a ruling on whether / where he could get a recount.

        Trump did the wrong thing: he tried to privately pressure an election official.

        Surely you can understand the difference.

        1. The Court STOPPED the Florida recount before it was finished, per the demand of Republicans because they KNEW it would show that he won. That is a fact. Trump got 38 recounts, plus forensic audits, plus 60+ lawsuits. All proof was that he LOST.

    5. Natcha: So you are smarter than the FBI? FBI said in 2021; “Found no organized activity”. You tarnish yourself with this putrid screed. You should apologize to the Prof or simply fade away. You should brace yourself for disclosures coming beginning next month – Aug. DT haters will really be chapped.

      1. The people screaming Ray Epps. FBI collusion one day. Are the same people saying neener neener, the FBI says there was no evidence of organized collusion the next day. The mental gymnastics these folks employ is worthy of winning gold medals every four years for the next century. Pick a lane and stick to it people. Or just admit your still way down deep into the Q-Anon rabbit hole.

    6. Seems like Turley has lost the ability to simple math. It is TWO HOURS from the time the mob broke into the Capital and the tween telling the mob to go home, NOT 1.5 hrs. Jeez Prof!

  20. I agree with what the good professor states, yet I fail to conclude that Trump’s “efforts to force a recount there [Georgia] and pressuring state officials to ‘find’ the needed votes” amounted to anything more than zealous advancement of what he had been told by his (chosen) legal team.
    We ALL tend to do that to varying extents: we often seek and keep those friends who agree with us; we search for validation of our own opinions, and discard, discredit those who disagree.. It’s part of our “confirmation bias.”
    To me, it is more like a sports game in which one coach believes he has perceived SEVERAL faults that would have changed the score by several points. The referee resists, doesn’t want to go back, and the coach pleads, “look, you don’t have to go over it all, you only have to find one penalty fault, and we will win.” Trump’s personality certainly lacks the decorum and refinement I would have liked to have seen in a president, but that does not make his conduct criminal.
    And, whether or not Trump was the opposing nominee, I do believe some subversive and thus-far undetected shenanigans were carried out by state Democrats in the 2020 election…apparently, not enough to meet the definition of “widespread,” as in: “no evidence of WIDESPREAD fraud…” (repeated ad nauseam by the media (and Barr…).

    1. Legal “zealous advancement” of beliefs occurs in the courts, not by attempting to pressure a state official.

      Judge Carter noted as much in a different context (Trump’s effort to pressure Pence):
      “‘ignorance of the law is no excuse,’ and believing the Electoral Count Act was unconstitutional did not give President Trump license to violate it. Disagreeing with the law entitled President Trump to seek a remedy in court, not to disrupt a constitutionally-mandated process.”

      1. Anonymous: First, Carter’s cited statement was NOT directed at Trump’s efforts to get officials “to find the needed votes.” Second, since when is the term “zealous advancement” confined to courtroom argument???? I smile at your response, thanks anyway, have a good day….

        1. “First, Carter’s cited statement was NOT directed at Trump’s efforts to get officials “to find the needed votes.””

          Duh. That’s why I said “Judge Carter noted as much in a different context (Trump’s effort to pressure Pence).”

          I didn’t imply that “zealous advancement” is “confined to courtroom argument.” It would also be OK to advance one’s views in public. But it’s not OK to privately pressure an election official. I recently worked as an election official in my state’s primary, and if someone currently in office had attempted to do what Trump did with Raffensberg, in an attempt to stay in office, it would have been reported to the Board of Elections. If you think it’s OK for Trump to do it, you’re also saying that it’s OK for all other elected officials to do it when they want to stay in office. It’s not OK for any of them to privately pressure an election official to “find votes” for them.

          1. You are lightweight who tries to back out of a corner by moving sideways. Just admit that your comment was a far-fetched loss.

    2. They stole the damned election. You do not need WIDE SPREAD FRAUD, all you need is tp STEAL BIG in six metro cities, the Wide Spread BS is a euphemism they use for the naive chumps to choke on. So, if they steal 20 million votes in 8-10 Metro Areas its still the same damned thing as stealing the damned election. I despise dumb chumps. So, Trump gets 75 million votes, 12 milli more but an old man who can’t form a sentence got 80 Million votes, where the hell did they come from sir? No President NOT ONE who got more votes the 2nd run has EVER LOST, some like Bush and Obama won with fewer votes. S, Trump got more Women. more Latinos and more Black than in 2016 via the percentage, so how did Biden win? Psst, he got FAR MORE White Make votes !!! Do you really believe that BS ? Here is THE KEY. The DATA MINED via Facebook etc. etc. the voters, the Metro Cities also (illegally) gave the Dens DATA. Then they saw who were the least likely voters on previous elections, and who votes far less? The WHITE MALE !! That is a known factoid. So, these thugs DATA MINED who was least likely to vote and sent out Ballots and voted for them, then when they came to vote they got told you have already voted. Of course they cheated, they are evil socialist commies.

    3. Lin says:

      “I do believe some subversive and thus-far undetected shenanigans were carried out by state Democrats in the 2020 election”

      Good luck with that. Turley has never insinuated not even intimidated such “undetected shenanigans!”

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