We have previously discussed the calls of figures like Rep. Adam Schiff and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse to investigate Ginni Thomas, the wife of Associate Justice Clarence Thomas. I have expressed great concern over the calling of a spouse of a sitting justice who is among millions of Americans who believed that the 2020 election was stolen. I am not among them, but Thomas has every right to that belief and to advocate for actions in light of that belief. Yet, the Jan. 6 House Select Committee thrilled many on the left by demanding that she appear and answer for her advocacy.
Now the media is breathlessly reporting that “Ginni Thomas tells Jan. 6 panel she still believes false election fraud claims,” as if it were a public confession of a reactionary resisting reeducation. On CNN, anchor Jake Tapper declared to viewers that Thomas has not changed her mind and remains “untethered from all of the facts and evidence.”
One can seriously question whether that is news, but it is certainly satisfying as a congressional committee pulls in the spouse of a conservative justice to grill her for four hours on being a MAGA Republican who called for challenges to the 2020 election. None of the media even raised the question of whether such interviews could be viewed as harassment or pressure on a member of the Supreme Court. I understand that the Committee made this news by pursuing Thomas, but a balanced treatment would have at least raised the question of why she has been singled out over her advocacy.
Select committee chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) left the voluntary interview with the Committee to report, according to Politico, “she still believes false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from former President Donald Trump.”
Ok, so what? Millions of people hold the same view. They have a right to hold that view, even if we do not believe that they have compelling support for it. For those of us who disagree, we can continue to voice an opposing view, but Thomas and others are unconvinced. (Notably, there is another controversy today of YouTube demonetizing a video showing Democrats calling the 2016 election stolen). There was never any evidence that Thomas participated in any violence and had simply encouraged White House and other officials to challenge the election.
A well-known Republican activist and Trump supporter, Thomas encouraged then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to pursue legal and legislative challenges to what she viewed as a stolen election. The reason that Ginni Thomas’ messages were seized is not because she was a key figure in the investigation but that the Commission has demanded any messages that deal with such challenges or the rally — a scope that has been criticized as overbroad. Congress then leaked the messages and the media did the rest.
There is no evidence that Ginni Thomas ever encouraged violence or was even present at the Capitol during the riot. Thomas said that she attended the Ellipse rally on Jan. 6 but left early, before Trump spoke, and never went to the Capitol.
The challenge to the 2020 election was no surprise. Indeed, not long after the election, I wrote about that possibility in what I called the “Death Star strategy.” It is not a crime to plan such a challenge, even without good cause. It was the same course taken by Democrats without any outcry from the media in challenging Republican presidents.
When Sen. Barbara Boxer launched her own challenge to President Bush on this law, Speaker Nancy Pelosi praised her challenge as “witnessing Democracy at work. This isn’t as some of our Republican colleagues have referred to it, sadly, as frivolous. This debate is fundamental to our democracy.” Joining her in that challenge of George W. Bush was Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), who now chairs the committee looking into the Jan. 6th Committee. (Fellow Committee member Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) sought to challenge Trump’s certification in 2016).
Yet, various media outlets were quick to report that Thomas remains unreformed and unapologetic in holding these opposing views. The satisfaction in forcing the wife of Clarence Thomas to appear for hours of examination is deeply disturbing. Thomas is hated by the left and that hatred seemed to drive much of this effort.
If there was a single piece of evidence showing that Ginni Thomas engaged in violence or called for violence, it might be a different question (though others who engaged in such crimes were not called to account before the Select Committee). The only evidence, however, was that this longtime Republican advocate engaged in political advocacy in opposing the certification. Her position in these emails was consistent with her public positions.
Yet, reporter Jamie Gangel went to CNN and reported, while Thomas cooperated, “Chairman Bennie Thompson has also told reporters that she still believes the election was stolen, Jake. So after everything we know, Ginni Thomas is still an election denier.” Tapper responded “That’s just wild. I mean, that’s just untethered from all of the facts and evidence.”
What’s “wild” is that coverage has taken on a reeducation element that it is now news that the wife of a jurist is unrepentant and unreformed.
Adam Schiff is literally the penultimate person to call anyone out for election denialism.
Michael, If Adam Schiff is the penultimate person of denialism, who is the ultimate person of denialism? 🙂
Hillary Clinton
Jonathan: So you think Ginni Thomas has been “singled out for her advocacy”. I mean, you say, there “was never any evidence that Thomas participated in any violence and simply encouraged White House and other officials to challenge the election”. That’s a red herring because Thomas was involved in much more then just legal challenges to the 2020 election. But you go on. You claim forcing Thomas to testify before the Jan. 6 Committee is “deeply disturbing” because “Thomas is hated by the left”. That’s another red herring. So let’s try to unravel your claims.
Thomas was not “singled out”. She has been one of hundreds of people called to testify before the Committee because they have relevant evidence. For months Thomas resisted the calls by the Committee to testify. Why would she do this if she had nothing to hide? So why would the Committee be interested in what she had to say? For starters, Thomas sent those incendiary messages to Mark Meadows. Then she was in communication with John Eastman, who was one of principal Trump lawyers urging Mike Pence to basically decertify the election to keep Trump in power. Then Thomas was involved in getting certain states to submit alternative slates of Trump electors. She sent dozens of messages to GOP legislators–in Arizona and Wisconsin–to get them to carry out the game plan–the plot to overturn a legitimate election. That’s illegal.
Now Thomas claims she never discusses her political activities with hubby. That’s really hard to believe. There is nothing I don’t share with my wife. We are an open book. Especially when it comes to politics. Now if you are a SC Justice and you don’t know what your wife is involved in politically then you are naive in the extreme. I don’t believe Clarence Thomas is naive. He and Ginni and joined at the hip politically. Clarence may not have known all the details but he certainly knew what his wife was up to.
Ginni Thomas was a active participant in the plot to overturn the election. That makes her an important witness for the Jan. 6 Committee. Do you really think Ginni Thomas should get a pass simply because she is married to a SC Justice? Should she be treated any differently than any other citizen. I don’t think so.
Gotta say, you and your wife would be two people I would despise having to sit across the table from at a dinner party. Like, no kidding.
Anonymous: Don’t worry. You will never be invited to a dinner party at our house!
This is all nonsense. The challenges to the 2020 election – including the effort to persuade congress to treat 2020 the same as the 1876 Hayes election were perfectly legal and constitutional.
The protests at the capital were perfectly legal.
The capital should never have been locked down. NO ONE can legitimately be charged with Tresspass.
Those very few people who engaged in actual violence should be prosecuted – and sentence consistent with prior capital protestors from the left – i.e. NOT AT ALL.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Those of you on the left are still ranting because a majortiy of americans think YOU conducted a lawless, and fraudulent election.
And you wish to make it a crime to doubt the outcome of a lawless and likely fraudulent election.
Germany is re-doing an election right now, because there were delaying at some polling stations because they ran out of ballots – so they stay open longer than allowed. In germany that error casts doubt on the entire election.
No developed country in the world has conducted an election as lawlessly and error ridden as the 2020 election – it is not even a close call.
No other developed country has mailin voting – not even during Covid.
Few if any have early voting, or no excuses absentee voting.
In nearly all the world, you vote in person on election day, and you present ID to prove you are allowed to vote.
In france voting is by secret ballot, in person on election day, on paper ballots that are counted by hand. Exits polls are not allowed,
And all counts are released within hours and all at once.
Further these country FOLLOW their election laws. Election officials or governors, do not make up near processes on their own – the follow the law – even during covid.
And when problems are obvious – they do it over.
That is what is required for people to trust elections.
Yes yes and Yes! This. Everyone me defending this election is part of the system that needs to go.
Defending this election is one thing. I can live with that.
Supressing and actively thwarting inquiry and demonizing those who want inquiry – that is evil.
John Say: All the “nonsense” starts with you. Example: “The protests at the capital (sic-it’s spelled “Capitol”) were perfectly legal”. See what I mean? Over 800 of the insurrectionists have been charged and many are facing serious time in federal prisons. Stewart Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers, and 4 of his co-conspirators are going to trial this week on charges of seditious conspiracy. Others have pled guilty to “Trespass” and other charges. And others have been found guilty by a jury of their peers. If all of them were just engaging in “legal” activity explain the result.
And, sorry, all the surveys and polls show only about 35% of Americans believe the 2020 election was “fraudulent”. Do the math! All the your false assertions indicate you live in an alt universe. Get your facts straight before you waste our time in the blog!
The overwhelmong majority of the.Capitol protesters were peaceful.
I heard this same argument from your side. When we condemned the 1619 riots, you pointed out that 93% of the protestors were peaceful.
Indeed, the overwhelming majority of arrests were for trespass. That’s why the media tries to capitalize on the small arrested for more serious charges
Yes, a lawless governement is politicizing law enforcement.
The nonsense starts with YOU.
Absolutely no one here has offered a constitutionally legitmate justification for government thwarting the first amentment rights of protestors.
That is the right to free speach
The right to assumbly
The right to petition govenrment
By what constitutional authority was the capital locked down while congress was in session ?
Just as with the election – the LAWLESSNESS – starts with democrats.
The rule of law does not mean – the law means whatever I want for whoever I want whenever I want it.
as you said 800 people were arrested and are being prosecuted.
No one was prosecuted for the riotous protests during the kavanaugh hearings – not even the guy who took an axe to a senators door.
No one was prosecuted for the riots at the white house.
The rule of law REQUIRES that the law be applied consistently and blind to the politics, race, status, sex of those being prosecuted.
It is SELF-EVIDENT that is not being done.
The very evidence you present is the PROOF of your own lawlessness.
You say people were charged with insurrection – yet there was no insurrection.
No one intended a violent overthrow of government.
The worst you have found was people conspiring to constitutionally attempt to kick the election to the house.
You do not like that, but it is SELF EVIDENTLY constitutional.
Lawrence Tribe created the pan Eastman followed
For Hillary in 2016.
It is nearly identical to what occured in 1876.
Whether you like that or not it is constitutional.
It is constitutional in EVERY election.
Whether it succeeds or not depends on whether sufficient members of congress beleive the results of the election were legitimate.
What is it that you think is the final check against election fraud or even just a disasterously badly conducted election ?
Magic ?
In Germany they are re-doing an election because about 50 polls stayed open later than they were supposed to.
In South Carolina in 2018 they Redid an election that was won by a Republican because of small allegations of ballot harvesting in a close election.
Whether you like it or not – congress has the power to reject the results of the electoral college.
They have only done so rarely. They were fully allowed to do so in 2016, as well as in 2020, unlike 1876 they chose NOT to do so.
You can not make a crime of petitioning congress to do what it is constitutionally free to do.
When as you have done you try YOU are lawless.
J6 is not an example of an insurrection – if you beleive that you are a moron. April 19, 1775 was an insurrection. Hundreds of armed minutemen faced off against the soldiers of THEIR government and about 70 were killed on each side.
While there was no insurrection on J6 – and the question is an IQ test proving the poor critical thinking of those who think there was.
Had their been an actual insurrection it would have been arguably legitimate.
Whether you like it or not – this election did NOT have the required trust of the people.
You do not secure the consent of the governed by winning an election. You secure it when a super majority of people beleive you legitimately won the election.
You do not understand that it does not matter whether Trump and republicans are right about election fraud.
Far far far too many people beleive the 2020 election was improper to actually have the consent of the governed.
All of this was correctable. All that was necescary was lawfully conducted elections and sunlight.
As Germany (and South Crolina) demonstrated – when you can not conduct an election lawfully – you must do it over PERIOD.
I would note that EVERY election year in the 21st century atleast one election has been redone in each election cycle because of problems.
Though honestly – the specific remedy is not important.
What is important is that where there is sufficient doubt – and there is way more than enough doubt. There must be open inquiry.
In 2016 Clinton sold the collusion delusion hoax to the FBI and american people. While there absolutely NEVER was a constitutional basis to investigate Trump, his campaign, Carter Page or anything criminal.
The mere fact that significant numbers of democrats doubted the outcome – REQUIRED public inquiry.
That is of course the OPPOSITE of what occured.
The 2016 Election required PUBLIC inquiry. Not Secret investigations.
The same is true of 2020 – the lack of trust in the election REQUIRED broad PUBLIC inquiry. In the end we had a TINY portion of what was required. With few exceptions the courts stuck their heads in the sand.
Democrats rather than welcoming inquiry made themselves look even more guilty by fighting everything tooth and nail.
The very same courts that said we could not challenge the lawless election before the election took place – because no harm had yet occured, told us we could not inquire afterwords, because the issue was moot – and you wonder why people do not trust the courts ? Government ? our institutions ?
And lets be perfectly clear – the people do not trust our government – not republicans not democrats.
Read the Fracking Declaration of independence –
When the people lose trust in their government THEY are ENTITLED to abolish it and replace it as they please.
That is a high bar – but we are well past it.
You do not seem to grasp that RIGHT NOW, and growing for more than a decade – probably since the 2000 bush gore election it has been the DUTY of government to regain the trust of the citizens and it has failed.
I would note this is not even a republican democrat thing.
Hillary still thinks she won the 2016 election – as do many of her supporters. She tried every single Manuever that Trump has to reverse the results, including court challenges, appeals to the electors, marches on the capital and efforts to sway congress from certifying. She may gave done so less vigorously – but she did every single thing Trump and republicans did – and while many of us accused her of being bat$hit crazy, no one accused her of being a criminal over the election – atleast not until we found she bought and paid for a hoax and sold it to DOJ/FBI.
Next, in 2020 prior to the election – Clinton Publicly urged Biden not to accept the results if Trump won. Biden and Harris as well as many other democrats alleged all kinds of potential election fraud. It was not until it appeared that Biden had won that suddenly the results of the election were sacred and not subject to scrutiny.
“Alas, Alas for you hypocrites that you be. ”
The rule of law – requires FOLLOWING the actual law.
It requires FOLLOWING the constitution.
It requires that the law is applied blindly regardless of the status of those being accused.
It is SELF EVIDENT there were at most a handful of crimes on J6 and no insurection.
How is that self evident – because when democrats have done the same things over and over again – there are few arrests and no prosecutions.
Either the Kavanaugh protestors, or those who took over the AZ capital recently or those who took over the WI capital in 2012 or the heavily armed lockdown protestors who briefly protested at the MI capital in june 2020 are All insurectionists – left and right and should be in jail for years. OR those being arrested and prosecuted for J6 are the victims of political persecution.
The rule of law says they must all be treated the same.
The constitution says there is no crime in petitioning government. It is a constitutionall right – one of the MOST protected of wall.
“explain the results”
Trivial – the left does not give a schiff about “the rule of law”.
People have lost trust in govenrment – that is Polls. That is reality.
Pew has trust in government at 17%.
Under GWB it was 60%
Under Eisenhower it was 75%.
I would note that Trust in government is not a duty of citizens, it is something government must earn.
It is self evident – by polls as well as obvious to ordinary people that Government does not have our trust.
Specifically related to the FBI
“According to the survey(trafalgar), when asked for their opinion on the Department of Justice and the FBI, 46.2% of respondents said they are “too political, corrupt, and not to be trusted.”
That is really really bad.
We ordinarily have low trust of govenrment generally – particularly politicians – whether Trump or Biden.
But the purportedly non-political parts of government are generally trusted.
Today not even 50% of people trust the DOJ and FBI.
That is a FAILURE.
We can play competing survey games all you like
An august poll.
“79% say ‘truthful’ coverage of Hunter Biden’s laptop would have changed 2020 election”
TIP/IBD poll Aug 29, 2022.
But even if you are actually correct that right now only 35% beleive the election was suspect.
That is down from a peak of 56% just before J6.
And even that 35% is more than enough.
You can have a legitimate government is 35% do not want Joe Biden as president.
You do not have a legitimate government is 35% think Joe Biden did not win the election.
Those of you on the left do not understand how critically important it is to conduct elections in a lawful and trustworthy manner.
There are many factors that lead to J6 and may ultimately lead to much worse.
The lawless way the election was conducted was a major one.
The failure of the election to earn the trust of a supermajority of people.
Those of you on the left do not grasp that the social contract is NOT democratic.
51% of the people do not get to bind the other 49% – that inevitably leads to massive conflict and civil war.
The social contract is the binding authority for the existance of government. The US constitution set the standard for forming that contract at 2/3 of congress and 3/4 of the states. A very high bar. A mere 35% opposing government de-legitimizes it.
I would note that while that is the constitutional standard – the real standard is what the people will tolerate.
One of the things both the left and right forget is that the constitution is not the word of god.
It is MAN’s effort to understand the requirements for stable self government. It is not inherently right. The amount of support that government must have is that sufficient to have political stability.
It is obvious to everyone right now – right or left that this country is deeply divided over national issues.
The resolution to that is trivial. Government must limit itself to the excercise of power that supermajorities of people support.
When the american revolution took place – this country was divided approximately in 3rds. 1/3 wanted independence. 1/3 wanted to remain british. and 1/3 was ignoring everything.
35% is more than is needed for revolution.
You can govern with a simple majority – to a limited extent when you have that simple majority support and where a super majority of people trust the institutions of government – even if they do not trust you.
Things go to hell – as they are now, if government is not trusted, or if even 35% of people know you are a crook.
Just to be clear NO ONE has been found guilty by a jury of their peers.
DC is not a jury of anyone except Woke Left wing nuts peers.
This entire mess is an excercise in left wing nut stupidity.
There is no win for you.
Maybe you get away with this nonsense.
Maybe you do not.
But YOU are further destroying trust in government with everything you do.
I do not have a problem with the facts.
You do.
Stalin tried and executed 40M of his own people.
He had no problems getting convictions either.
Please tell me what ANYONE at the capital on J6 did that was worse than taking an axe to a senators door ?
Did any of the J6 protestors bring an axe ?
The Kavanaugh Axe protestor had charges dropped.
So what exactly is it that you think that any J6 protestor did that is more serious that bringing and USING an axe on a senators door ?
What is it that deserves more serious time than that ?
And you keep saying “insurection” – how was that going to occur ? 800 unarmed protestors were going to overcome 2400 armed capital police and do what ? Tongue lash senators and congressmen ?
This is typical stupid leftist word mangling.
BTW the FBI has cell phone records, emails, … What little has been made public is exculpatory.
Todate FBI and DOJ have not produced any actual evidence that there was any prior communication by anyone involving violence or a plot to accomplish anything illegal. In fact in much of what is being made public these people not only came solely for the purpose of protesting.
But they KNEW they were going home empty handed. What they wanted was to make sure that much of the country understood there were still plenty of people who grasped the election was a fraud.
The most recent conviction you got was 7 years for a protester putting his hands on a Capital policeman’s forearm – after the capital police officer violated the terms of engagement and shoved a protester. 7 years for non-violent physical contact OUTSIDE the capital and far from the violence at the west tunnel. That compared to returning the axe to the guy who tool out a senators door.
The obvious nonsense is yours.
The american people do not trust our elections.
That is so, because those running the elections failed to earn the trust of the people.
Those of you on the left do not seem to understand that to be legitimately elected – not only must you win. But you must win an election that people trust.
It is surprising that you do not understand this – as YOU did everything in your power – selling an ACTUAL BIG LIE, that the russians rigged the election in 2016 to undermine trust – and to some extent you succeeded.
I would further note that DEMOCRATS were talking about not Trusting the 2020 Election if Trump won.
Hillary was telling Biden not to concede.
Trust in elections must be earned. It is earned by following the law – not making it up as you go.
By not treating ever crisis as an opportunity. But doing EVERYTHING transparently.
By welcoming scrutiny, by hiding nothing.
Trust in elections is only harmed by those challenging the outcome – when those running the election did not do a trustworthy Job.
OT: “Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis all but waved a gun in the face of thieves Friday.” Pictures of some arrested in the article. DeSantis doesn’t wait for crime to overwhelm the state and these people will be locked up and not released without bail. These criminals can go to NY where after convicting a violent act they are let out on the street to commit other violent acts.
Democrats, independents and Republicans, if you don’t like crime look for good leadership like seen with DeSantis, Trump and some other non-RINO Republicans.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis all but waved a gun in the face of thieves Friday.
“Don’t even think about looting. Don’t even think about taking advantage of people in this vulnerable situation,” the Republican said during an evening briefing before threatening potential pirates.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/tracking-ian-path-and-evacuation-updates/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20220930&lctg=62680bbe38a279b1870b18c5&utm_term=NYP%20-%20News%20Alerts
The headline didn’t print.
DeSantis warns post-Ian looters that Florida is ‘a Second Amendment state’ — follow The Post’s live blog for updates
“I can tell you in the state of Florida, you never know what may be lurking behind somebody’s home. And I would not want to chance that if I were you, given we’re a Second Amendment state.”
I think if we were to sit down with Mr/Ms Yosemite Sam for a few cups of coffee we’d find out from Ms Yosemite that Sam’s temperament was more like a Golden Retriever or like my long passed full sized Collie…, soft & fluffy & the neighbors dogs all love, with Sam’s beautiful wive occasional smacking him about the head & shoulders with a BBQ Spatula cursing the big dumb galute. LOL;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS_yFY4yOzM&list=PLLhOnau-tupTqaR6YSjOSMOp3K-vZvLdO&index=2
Political advocacy for me (Democrats 2016, and before) but not for thee (Republicans 2020)
Democrats have a history of using platforms, tools and societal pressure, to segregate and silence groups of people they dislike. They cant stop being who they are because in their DNA they relish power over groups they consider deplorable or a threat to the country. George Wallace, Bull Connor, Jim Crow laws, articulated these sentiments, and were all Democrats.
Yesterday was fire hoses, today it is internet platforms.
As I have said previously, the key to an orderly and peaceful transition from one President to another is when the losing candidate concedes. With a concession in place, any challenges led by others is essentially background noise. Unlike Trump in 2020, Kerry in 2004 and Clinton in 2016 conceded the day after the election and Gore in 2000 conceded the day after the Supreme Court decision.
CC: What do you consider “conceding?”
Hillary and Stacey Abrams are still-to this day- not only claiming, but stoking claims–that their “wins” were stolen from them?
A concession call to the other candidate followed by a concession speech to the nation. Hillary did that in 2016 for example.
Followed by Hillary financing an orchestrated coup vis a vis Russian hoax with Obama, Biden, CIA, FBI cooperating, and then going on a global tour blaming everyone for her losing to a clown like Trump.
Alas, “we will never really know” who pays you to troll these forums to utter DNC talking points
George Soros sends his best
Concessions by the losing candidate are legally and constitutionally, completely irrelevant. Whether Biden is or isn’t the President isn’t dependent upon Trump having “conceded” the election. In fact, a concession by Trump would possibly render moot any of his then-pending legal challenges.
“They have a right to hold that view, even if we do not believe that they have compelling support for it.”
Turley minimizes the problem here. They do not have ANY support for it. And people who continue to believe something when there is no support for it should not be judges (or secretaries of state, or governors). They live in a fact-free world and they should not be put in positions of power.
Lots of evidence not to mention the fact that electronic voting can not be secured from state threat actors using todays controls. I say fact because I have been a cyber security professional for almost 30 years and regularly conference with cyber pros that are well known. Of course these people keep their views private as saying otherwise risks being targeted for destruction by the left. Pre election any talk of security, protecting against threat actors always excluded nation states because you can not protect info systems from nation states without using NSA type controls. of course I haven’t seen this in any threat actors discussions since for the same reason mentioned above. And it’s not because it’s not true it’s because it goes against the governments narrative. That’s reality not government propoganda backed by MSM.
Well, she is not a judge, she is married to one. So now you want to punish the spouses of people whom you have political disagreements with?
Yes – and the earth used to be flat and the sun used to rotate around it.
Stop! There is plenty of possible evidence that people ho matter in AZ, WI, GA, PA, and MI won’t even look into. Plenty of challenges and no investigation.
That is both false, and irrelevant.
It is sufficient that they do not trust the election.
And even aside from the actual evidence of fraud you are blind to, there is plenty of excellent reason to doubt the election.
The lawlessness alone is enough.
If there is a huricane that hits Florida, or SC, or anywhere on the gulf or est coast on election day,
can the govenor extend the election because of an emergency ?
NO! Not only was this a huge mistake regarding Covid. It goes well beyond Covid.
The rule of law – our existing laws, MUST work even in emergencies, or those laws are wrong.
Many aspects of elections are random – Covid was going to effect voting. Weather effects voting. Nature effects voting.
We take all of that in stride and live with the results.
No one would be demanding investigations or claiming fraud if an act of nature threw the election to the GOP or to democrats.
The same is true of non-political acts of man.
The 2008 financial crisis was man made. Inarguably it was the consequence of bad choices made by both parties over a decade.
But it dashed Republicans hopes.
That is just how it is. Each of us can be certain that but for some act of nature or unfortunate non-political act, the election would have gone the other way. And we might be right. But nearly all of us accept the results.
But when one party uses acts of nature as an excuse to ignore the law and run the election as they please – that results in legitimate anger from their victims.
That is “ends justifies the means” behavior.
It destroys trust.
Further people who will ignore the law to win an election, will also commit fraud.
The mistrust of this election is the consequence of the actions of democrats.
Legitimate elections require the trust of the electorate
If you do not have that, government is not legitimate, it is not trusted. The rule of law is gone.
Talk about living in a fact-free world. LOL!
The National Socialist Democrat WOKE Party wants War with Russia and American Citizens.
These people need to be gone.
The eminent and incorrigible idiot, Camela Harris, is not eligible for the presidency as she is not a “natural born citizen” which establishes and assures maximal allegiance to America.
To wit, or witless, as the case may be,
https://youtu.be/0KuOJO_LDKo
https://twitter.com/i/status/1575465283325657095
https://youtu.be/2lTOcJsKTXw
Let’s be perfectly honest s@@tlibs could care less if there were massive voting irregularities in the 2020 election or not.
It allowed them to rid the country of the evil Trump. And all is fair (and sometimes necessary) when fighting fascists, right?
Remember it only counts as ‘democracy’ when the correct result is obtained.
So Hungary, Italy and Sweden are no longer ‘democratic’.
S@@ew your ‘democracy’.
antonio
“If my guy lost, the election results must be illegitimate!”
Talk about sour grapes.
Ther graps were cleasrly sour enough for Hillary Clintont o create the Steele dossier.
Four States Did Not Follow the Constitution in the 2020 Election
The U.S. Constitution clearly states that presidential electors must be appointed according to rules established by each state’s legislature. In other words, state law determines how presidential elections are conducted. This did not appear to happen in at least four states during the 2020 election. In Georgia, state law prohibits the counting of absentee ballots until after the polls open on Election Day. In clear violation of the law, and thus the U.S. Constitution, the State Election Board, not the legislature, allowed processing of ballots up to three weeks before Election Day. In Pennsylvania, state law states that the deadline for a county board of elections to receive a mail-in ballot is 8 p.m. on Election Day. Instead of following state law, judges, without any authorization by the Pennsylvania General Assembly, usurped legislative power by extending that deadline to three days after Election Day. In another violation, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state violated Pennsylvania state law, and thus the U.S. Constitution, by removing the state law mandate that requires all applications for absentee or mail-in ballots for non-disabled and non-military voters be signed by the applicant. Michigan state law requires that all absentee ballot requests be requested by the voter through a careful and secure application process requiring a signature. The Michigan secretary of state violated this law, and thus the U.S. Constitution, when she instead set up a website where people could request an absentee ballot. In Wisconsin, state law prohibits the use of unmanned drop boxes for ballots. Nevertheless, the non-legislative Wisconsin Elections Commission and other local officials unconstitutionally created hundreds of drop boxes to collect absentee ballots, including the use of unmanned drop boxes.
Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-Az)
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The Constitution states that the election takes place on a “day.” One day – 24 hours. Vote-By-Mail cannot possibly be accomplished on election “day.” In a nation of laws, the laws must be obeyed. That you don’t like the law, does not void the law.
One thing we know is that if there were even a modicum of an argument that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump then Turley would be all over every talk show and website arguing that it was stolen.
The fact that there are delusional, cult followers like Ginni Thomas and QAnon and many other people who still believe without evidence this while Turley just mentions in passing he is not as crazy as these people suggests they are really off their rocker. If Ginni were merely some MAGA grandma in living in a trailer park we would not care how delusional she is. But she has more influence on the law than any of us.
Do you think that Hillary or Stacey Abrams or J. Sotomayor have “more influence on the law than any of us[?]”
FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION OF FUNDAMENTAL LAW
And Obama conducted a coup d’etat in America while vowing to “fundamentally transform the United States of America,” a patently criminal act.
Transforming the fundamental law of America requires a lengthy and problematic amendment process.
General Secretary Obama, President Susan Rice and Vice President Valerie Jarret must be thrown in prison and severely penalized.
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“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
– Barack Obama
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“We will stop him.”
– Peter Strzok to FBI paramour Lisa Page
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“[Obama] wants to know everything we’re doing.”
– Lisa Page to FBI paramour Peter Strzok
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“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before 40.”
– Peter Strzok to FBI parmour Lisa Page
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“People on the 7th floor to include Director are fired up about this [Trump] server.”
– Bill Priestap
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The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious crime in American political history.
The Capitol Police greeted the protestors and opened the barricades and doors for them, allowing them full entry.
Agitators were surreptitiously insinuated into the groups of protestors, one example is Ray Epps.
Whatever. JT is too old and too vested in the system. View his actions as a head fake. All of the stops are coming out. He prob doesn’t even know how he ‘mr conservative’ is manipulated.
We are seeing the result of Democrat activists abuse positions of power in 3 letter agencies, other government positions, academia, and the workplace.
Because there’s no bigger bastions of American liberalism than the FBI, NSA, CIA, DOD and for-profit corporations?
Get real.
They all perpetrated the Russian®™ Collusion hoax.
My longtime usenet ally, Christopher Charles Morton, compated the post-2-016 election Democrats to the 1919 German ultrarightwing.
I’ll wait for the Committee to call every politician and judge, and their spouses, who called the 2016 election stolen or hacked.
She wasn’t called simply because she “called the 2016 election stolen or hacked.” She was called because she exchanged dozens of texts and emails with Trump’s lawyer Eastman, Trump’s CoS Meadows, and others in Trump’s inner circle urging specific actions.
So What?
So Karen’s comparison is wrong.
Fascism flows through every cell of your body. To Fascists, it is illegal to voice a complaint in private conversation to friends about the state. How did the state know to target Ginny? They violated the rights of others when they stole their phones and data.
Unless they were coded messages for the purpose of planning, preparing, organizong, or starting the Capitol riot, that is beside the point.
Ginni actively participated in attempted coup on the US government. She did all she could to prevent the legally elected president from taking office. That alone is horrible. That she pressured and used he husbands connections to assist is even worse.
Turley would like you to not bring that up.
That is not a coup.
A coup would require collusion of high ranking political figures and military personnel.
Also, Biden said in order to overthrow the government, they would need F-15s.
There were no Ultra-MAGA F-15s in the air on Jan6th.
There is no evidence she participated in a coup.
What’s “wild” is the [only viable option in the] election was between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. For too many reasons to list, I reject them both as completely unfit for the job (much less the ‘leader of the free world.). The very definition of a ‘sham’ election.
Furthermore, if only Democrats and/or Republicans can win elections, it doesn’t matter how you count the votes. Pick a card, any card.
(*according to the media, still vibrant Bernie had no chance in 2016 or 2020 as an ‘Independent’, but I’m not so sure .. .)
We need some new blood.
Snowden for President 2024 ‘From Russia With Love’
A a man was asked what he did for a living.
he said:
“I drive rich cars, play golf, and fondle big breasted women…but I take weekends and Holidays off.”
So, who said that?
Answer at the link, but not your first guess. Just another guy that has a sense of humor and does not take himself to serious.
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2022/09/asked-what-he-does-for-living-apple.html
Four simple actions could be taken, do remove objections to election counts.
Completed Absentee ballots need to be postmarked the day of the election. Or delivered in person to the county court house.
The number of mailed ballots must be declared on the last day they are legally allowed to be mailed out.
The completed number of absentee ballots returned, must declared by 6pm election day.
The number of ballots cast must be declared within 1 hour of polls closing.
These simple exercises of arithmetic will add immeasurably to transparency of the vote count.
iowan2:
I would add that we need to have a requirement for people to request mail in ballots, rather than sending them to 100% of voters. I keep getting ballots for the previous owners of my house, one of whom I know has died.
Review the practice of how ballots are filled out in elder care facilities. There are many reports of staff or activists forcing the elderly to vote differently than they would otherwise, or just filling them out entirely for those with dementia.
No ballots shall be counted without poll watchers from both the Democrat and Republican Parties, who must be allowed close enough to see what’s going on.
Require proof of identity to vote in person or by mail.
I don’t know what to do about the tremendous and unfair boost Democrats get by the mainstream media acting as their de facto propaganda arm.
“No ballots shall be counted without poll watchers from both the Democrat and Republican Parties, who must be allowed close enough to see what’s going on. ”
We’ve been doing this for decades in Canada. Really surprised that you guys don’t.
Again, the desperation of the prog/left to hold together their ill-thought out fabrication of a “fundamentally transformed” America is hitting a brick wall made of “deplorables, MAGA supporters and true patriots. I wouldn’t be surprized if all republicans’ social media are not being combed for “support for Trump” postings. Do they not see just how they are becoming a fascist regime with delusions of grandeur?
Quit picking on Mrs. Thomas.
Thank’s to “Select Committee on Benghazi”: Since 3/15 we are aware of Secretary Clinton’s (1/20/09 – 2/1/13) use of a private server an several private domains.
What Rep Adam Schiff (D-CA # 28) gained for the “House” did Diane Feinstein (D-CA) for the Senate. Well, almost. While the Senator services for 30 years [1] the Congressman is ten years shy.
However, Adam Schiff, a DNC stalwart, was always in support of saving taxpayers money, eg “Disband the Benghai Committe” [2] or “the way that this committee has operated is by leak of damaging information with only one objective, and that is all the leaks have a common denominator, all of the leaks are designed to hurt Secretary Clinton” [3].
[1] President Biden & Senator Feinstein are planning a huge event at WH after midterms to annouce their re-election bid (if they don’t forget)..
[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/opinion/disband-the-benghazi-committee.html
[3] https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/257264-benghazi-panel-democrat-committee-leaking-damaging-information-on/