Marathon Man: Does Paul Ryan Play Fast and Loose with the Facts?

Submitted by Elaine Magliaro, Guest Blogger

In an article for Huffington Post, Miles Mogulescu wrote the following about Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan:

He comes off like a Midwest choir boy who grew up busing tables and just wants to help unemployed 20-year-olds get jobs and move out of their parents’ house. This ‘aw shucks’ act may play well among heartland voters who could swing the election.

But Ryan lies like a hooker telling her john that she loves him. And given a media that tends to cover the horse race rather than the substance, there’s a good chance he could lie his way all the way to the vice presidency.

Mogulescu—among others—has written and spoken about the number of inaccuracies and untruths included in the speech that Paul Ryan gave at the Republican National Convention last week.

Sally Kohn of Fox News wrote:

to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

In Paul Ryan’s breathtakingly dishonest speech, James Downie wrote:

Yesterday, at an ABC News panel, Mitt Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said, “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.” Wednesday’s speech from Paul Ryan certainly took that disdain for truth to heart, as his address was filled with falsehoods from start to finish.

Pat Garofalo of ThinkProgress wrote that Ryan’s speech “was riddled with lies.”

Matthew Dowd, a former chief political strategist for George W. Bush’s re-election campaign in 2004, also criticized Ryan for the falsehoods included in his speech on ABC’s This Week. He said that “at some point, the truth should matter”:

DOWD: Paul Ryan, what he did in his speech, I think so stretched the truth. And I like Paul Ryan, have a lot of great respect for Paul Ryan, but the elements that he said about closing the GM plant which closed before Barack Obama took President [sic], about the Simpson-Bowles bill which he opposed and then all of a sudden he faults Barack Obama for. At some point, the truth should matterHe was trying to convey that Barack Obama was responsible for the closing of that GM plant and that isn’t true.

Aviva Shen provided us with this list of what she thinks are “Ryan’s most glaring lies from his speech”:

1. “A downgraded America.” Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”

2. “More debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined.” Romney has made the almost identical claim, that Obama has amassed more debt “as almost all of the other presidents combined.” But their math doesn’t add up: when Obama took office, the national debt was $10.626 trillion. It has increased to slightly above $15 trillion.

3. Shuttered General Motors plant is “one more broken promise.” Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office.

4. Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” In fact, Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.

5. “$716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.” Ryan’s favorite lie is a deliberate distortion of Obamacare’s savings from eliminating inefficiencies. Furthermore, Ryan’s own plan for Medicare includes these savings. Romney has vowed to restore these cuts, which would render the trust fund insolvent 8 years ahead of schedule.

6. “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.

Paul Krugman feels that Ryan’s “big lie” is his claim that “a Romney-Ryan administration will protect and strengthen Medicare.” Krugman claims that it would actually “kill the program.”

I understand that politicians often fudge the truth, leave out details, take their opponents’ comments out of context, etc., in order to win votes. But one “untruth” that Ryan told recently in an interview with Hugh Hewitt confounded me. Ryan claimed that he had once run a marathon in under three hours.

Excerpt from Ryan’s interview with Hewitt:

HH: That’s okay. Hey, in high school, what did you do in high school? Were you a speech and debate guy? Were you a bandie? What were you?

PR: No, I was student government and athletics, honor society, you know, that kind of thing. I was kind of a combination. I was class president my junior year, I was the school board rep my senior year. I lettered in varsity, you know, my first year in high school, mostly soccer and track. I was a distance runner and a soccer player. So kind of well-rounded. I can’t, I can play a cowbell. That’s about it for instruments.

HH: Are you still running?

PR: Yeah, I hurt a disc in my back, so I don’t run marathons anymore. I just run ten miles or yes.

HH: But you did run marathons at some point?

PR: Yeah, but I can’t do it anymore, because my back is just not that great.

HH: I’ve just gotta ask, what’s your personal best?

PR: Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something.

HH: Holy smokes. All right, now you go down to Miami University…

PR: I was fast when I was younger, yeah.

Well, it turns out that Ryan has run but one marathon in his life—and that was when he was just twenty years old and in college. He did not run that marathon in under three hours as he had claimed. He did—in fact—run the marathon in just over four hours.

So why, I wonder, would someone who is running for vice president and who knows the press will likely pick up on everything he says lie about something so trivial?

It appears that James Fallows of The Atlantic wonders too. He wrote: “the mystery in this case is why someone just stepping into the spotlight of national attention would risk telling an (a) entirely unnecessary and (b) very easily disprovable lie. It doesn’t make “normal” political sense, where you lie to get out of a jam, or because you think you can’t be caught. ..”

He continued:

We’ve all exaggerated to make ourselves look better. You’ve probably done it. I know I have. (Let’s not think about the whole category of “what happens on first dates.”) But out of prudent self-protection, most people have a sense of “situational awareness” when it comes to self-burnishment. Somebody you’re talking to in a bar, and you’re never likely to see again, is in one category. Somebody interviewing you for national broadcast is in another. That is what I’m having a hard time fully understanding.

You’re on a nationwide show. You’re one of the handful of people most prominently in the national eye. You know that everything you say is going to be recorded, parsed, and examined. And still — last week, not at a freshman mixer or in a Jaycees speech somewhere — you happily reel off a claim that is impressive enough to get people’s interest and admiration, and specific enough to be easily testable.

I don’t understand this. I can understand, while obviously deploring, why Bill Clinton brazenly said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” on national TV. It was a flat-out lie that to him might have seemed necessary to his survival. I can understand the little embellishments politicians and everyone else make — especially when these occur in early days of the campaign, or in odd corners where you think no one is listening.

That’s why I mention it one more time: This doesn’t fit the normal model of “efficient” political or human truth-shaving. It was a lie that was totally unnecessary — if he’d said he had run a five-hour marathon, we’d still know that he’s physically very fit. And telling it in his current state of 24/7-scrutiny and prominence was either unbelievably naive (“no one will ever double-check this”) or plain reckless (“I don’t care if they do”). Unless we get into Jonah Lehrer territory — that is, the realm of people who self-destructively take needless risks with the truth — I just am amazed.

Are you amazed too? What do you think about Paul Ryan’s marathon claim?

SOURCES

Lie or Mistake? Paul Ryan’s Marathoning Past (The New Yorker)

How Fast Can Paul Ryan Run? (The New Yorker)

The Real Mystery of Paul Ryan’s Marathon Time by James Fallows (The Atlantic)

Three ‘Post-Truth’ Related Items (The Atlantic)

Paul Ryan Has Not Run Sub-3:00 Marathon (Runner’s World)

Paul Ryan Interview (Hugh Hewitt)

Did Paul Ryan Really Run a Sub-Three-Hour Marathon? No, He Didn’t. (Slate)

Paul Ryan: Lying Liar (Huffington Post)

Paul Ryan Address: Convention Speech Built On Demonstrably Misleading Assertions (Huffington Post)

Fox News: Paul Ryan’s Speech “Greatest Number of Blatant Lies” (Daily Kos)

Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words (Fox News)

Bush Chief Political Strategist: Paul Ryan’s Speech Was Full Of Lies (ThinkProgress)

6 Worst Lies In Paul Ryan’s Speech (ThinkProgress)

Paul Ryan’s breathtakingly dishonest speech (Washington Post)

Facts Take a Beating in Acceptance Speeches (New York Times)

The Medicare Killers (New York Times)

110 thoughts on “Marathon Man: Does Paul Ryan Play Fast and Loose with the Facts?

  1. Palin’s marathon time beats Paul Ryan’s (Politico)

    By CAITLIN MCDEVITT |
    9/2/12 4:42 PM EDT

    Sarah Palin has run a sub-four hour marathon. Paul Ryan? Not so much.

    The Republican vice presidential candidate recently misstated his marathon time (claiming that he ran the 26.2 mile race in “two hour[s] and fifty-something”), and Runner’s World called his bluff on Friday.

    He actually crossed the line at “4 hours, 1 minute, and 25 seconds,” according to the magazine.

    That’s just slightly slower than Palin ran in 2005, finishing a marathon in 3:59.

  2. The Borowitz Report

    August 30, 2012
    Ryan Launches Campaign Theme of Lying About Everything
    Posted by Andy Borowitz

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    TAMPA (The Borowitz Report)—In his speech to the Republican National Convention last night, Vice-Presidential nominee Paul Ryan test-drove what the Romney-Ryan campaign says will be a major theme for the 2012 Republican campaign: “lying about everything.”

    “The question was, how many whoppers could you pack into one speech?” the campaign adviser Tracy Klugian said. “All I can say is, when Fox News accuses a Republican of lying, you know you’ve witnessed something historic.”

    Mr. Ryan pronounced himself pleased with his performance, noting that he only strayed into the truth when he recited the names of his wife and children.

    “That won’t happen again,” he laughed. “Call it opening-night jitters.”

    As for Presidential nominee Mitt Romney, he said he was working “around the clock” to add additional lies to his speech tonight: “I’m no Paul Ryan, but, darn it, I’m going to do my best.”

    Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/08/ryan-launches-campaign-theme-of-lying-about-everything.html#ixzz25M5A6rYD

  3. Based on the marathon lie, I think Paul Ryan must be literally delusional or fatally compulsive or careless. If he in fact knows his actual time is 4+ hours, then his compulsion to lie overrides his common sense.

    All politicians lie, but delusional, compulsive lying is a recipe for disaster.

  4. While one can say it is possible that he “misspoke” and did not “intend” to say under three hours, but when he expanded upon it, saying he thought it was “2 hours and 50+ minutes,” he demolished any suggestion of misspeaking. Why would he do that? He may have been telling that whopper to enhance his self-esteem for so long that he has come to believe it. Or, perhaps like a political spin machine, he may simply say whatever he feels will work at the time to enhance his personal and political image. I have sensed a narcissism about him that suggests he may not care if someone fact-checks once this words have hit the air-waves and his acolytes have tabsorbed their emotional content. He does have a real gift for lying, misrepresenting, and deceiving, however.

  5. “Watching Paul Ryan’s speech, a cold, disturbed feeling began to rush over me. It took me a moment to remember where I had this feeling before, and then it came to me. It reminded me of the feeling of nearly physical discomfort that came over me during the run-up to the Iraq War, when the Bush administration went on an elaborate misinformation campaign designed to distort reality so much that the public didn’t know up from down, and would be compliant with whatever the administration did next. It was the feeling you get when you’re being subjected to a Big Lie. Not your typical lie, which tends to be focused on confusing one issue or that in order to swing some votes. No, Ryan pulled a Babe Ruth, pointing his Bat of Horseshit at the Fences of Facts, and announced to the world he would be hitting this one so far past them that the truth would never be found again. He told lies like a man born without a conscience. And the crowd ate it up.” Amanda Macotte, Raw Story

  6. Awesome post, Elaine. Well written and well cited, as always. Ryan is propagating the Big Lie, a GOP prerequisite for office
    and Romney’s raison d’être.

  7. Re: Are you amazed too? What do you think about Paul Ryan’s marathon claim?
    ___________________________

    No I’m not amazed since Conservative Republicans are habitual {pathological} liars and have reached the point where they can no longer tell the difference in a lie and the truth. Ditto for those who consistently vote them into office.

  8. Yes, Paul Ryan lied, and yes, it matters
    BY MICHAEL COHEN
    9/2/12
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/the_rumble/2012/09/yes-paul-ryan-lied-and-yes-it-matters

    Excerpts:
    If a politician says he ran a marathon in just under three hours when he actually ran it in four hours, does it matter? Ordinarily this wouldn’t be a question of much political significance, but in light of the fact that the fibber in question is Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan, it merits some explication.

    The reason is hard not to figure out: In his brief period on the national stage, Paul Ryan has demonstrated an uneasy relationship with the truth. His acceptance speech on Wednesday night was one of the most dishonest political speeches in recent U.S. political history. While some like Ben Smith at BuzzFeed call Ryan’s flights of factual fancy “policy differences” with President Obama, this misunderstands what actually is a policy difference and what is a lie – and why Ryan’s incessant lying, including about marathon times, is actually pretty important.

    ***
    All of this brings us back to Ryan’s somewhat innocuous marathon lie. In a vacuum no one would care – or necessarily should care – that an exaggeration this like was proffered. While I find it a bit hard to believe that any marathoner would forget their final time by an hour, it’s of course possible that Ryan simply misspoke as his spokesman has claimed. While I have my suspicions, I cannot look inside Ryan’s soul to divine the truth.

    But if you look at it in the larger context of Ryan’s speech on Wednesday, it takes on greater significance – and suggests that Paul Ryan is not just an occasional fibber but rather a person for whom lying is routine activity. It’s pretty hard to imagine a situation in which that pattern of lying isn’t a relevant political issue.

  9. EUPHEMISMS ALERT!:
    Well let’s play what-if: Let’s say in a elitist-style world where the world was allegedly run by arguably 300 richest men on Earth, would it be possible to hand-pick an American President? Is that impossible? Didn’t it happen in the last administration?

    Let’s say Mr. Obama is the proverbial “shoo-in” incumbent. IOW the “fix is in”. Then wouldn’t the other sundry players, like Romney and Ryan, just drag their feet and “phone it in” and “throw the fight”? I mean if the arguably true-rulers say Mr. Obama WILL have a 2nd term, who are Romney/Ryan to argue with that foregone conclusion?

    With all of the “lame brain” antics Romney has performed for the masses lately and his continuing support of a Glen Beck/Joesph Smith style religion… I mean the LDS leader (Gordon Hinckley) in Utah tells 60 Minutes: Mike Wallace that LDS anti-black racism was just a “…little flick of history.” (come on!) – what do you expect? Does Mitt know the TRUE infamous past history of his 19th century religion and religious leader (i.e. Angel Moroni? Puleez!? Read 2 Corinthians 11:14 and wonder how Joesph Smith missed this!)

    I’m not saying Mr. Obama is not qualified… however, somebody wants him to do his last term – PERIOD!

    According to Wayne Madsen (waynemadsenreport.com) Mr. Obama (and his late mom) has a mysterious past with a certain US federal agency who he is, coincidentally, the CINC of now. Could this be their “fair-head-boy” (wink wink)? It’s a lot better than POTUS-35 (Obama’s hero) that wanted to shred them “…into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the four winds.”?

    I’m just saying… (food for thought?)

  10. BTW before you say Mr. Obama is a Muslim, please take a moment to pull your foot out of your mouth. He is professed Protestant: United Church of Christ, with roots in Congregationalism, which branched from American Puritanism. And he is NOT a SOCIALIST like US Senator Bernie Sanders (Socialist Independent-VT) is today.

  11. Well Well, Look at the structure of the Ryan Marathon Lie: He does not know his ACTUAL time, and calls it “two-fifty-something” so that you can’t pin him down to an actual lie. He has said he is not SURE of his actual time. He might be a little bit off, see? But he doesn’t have the balls to say, “Two-fifty-eight” or “Two-fifty-seven-plus” or something like that. No, he’s just a bit vague, like it doesn’t really matter. And he enunciates it like it doesn’t really matter: only a bit of this or that, some this, some that, nothing to really focus on, a bit of a lie, don’t pay it any mind…

    It reminds me of George Zimmerman, actually, in some of his statements that he obviously knew were lies. “He said, ‘you got it’ or ‘you got me’ or something like that.” “I don’t know how he ended up on top of me.”

    Remember Willard: “I don’t remember doing that; I used to do pranks…”

    Lying is an art, for these guys who feel like they are entitled to present themselves (to inferiors, of course) any way they like. They also feel that the inferiors are not really supposed to check them on things because, of course, they’re superior. Don’t make a big fuss about some guy who says I cut his hair; who cares about him; pay attention to ME; I’m who I SAY I AM.

    It’s hubris whether they’re criminals or just politicians. They feel arrogant enough to lie and they think it should not be held against them if they do. If you make too big a deal of it, it’s YOU who are wrong (and should, for instance, be marginalized or recused), not them.

  12. WTF?????
    Son of Thunder…..

    This Wayne Madsen????

    May 24, 2010 — SPECIAL REPORT.

    Obama and Emanuel: members of same gay bath house club in Chicago

    http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

    President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago’s gay community, as well as veteran political sources in the city.

  13. A not-very-truthful speech in a not-very-truthful campaign
    Posted by Ezra Klein on August 30, 2012
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/30/a-not-very-truthful-speech-in-a-not-very-truthful-campaign/

    Excerpt:
    Honestly? I didn’t want us to write this piece.

    The original pitch was for “the five biggest lies in Paul Ryan’s speech.” I said no. It’s not that the speech didn’t include some lies. It’s that I wanted us to bend over backward to be fair, to see it from Ryan’s perspective, to highlight its best arguments as well as its worst. So I suggested an alternative: The true, the false, and the misleading in Ryan’s speech. (Note here that we’re talking about political claims, not personal ones. Ryan’s biography isn’t what we’re examining here though, for the record, I found his story deeply moving.)

    An hour later, the draft came in — Dylan Matthews is a very fast writer. There was one item in the “true” section.

    So at about 1 a.m. Thursday, having read Ryan’s speech in an advance text and having watched it on television, I sat down to read it again, this time with the explicit purpose of finding claims we could add to the “true” category. And I did find one. He was right to say that the Obama administration has been unable to correct the housing crisis, though the force of that criticism is somewhat blunted by the fact that neither Ryan nor Mitt Romney have proposed an alternative housing policy. But I also came up with two more “false” claims. So I read the speech again. And I simply couldn’t find any other major claims or criticisms that were true.

    I want to stop here and say that even the definition of “true” that we’re using is loose. “Legitimate” might be a better word. The search wasn’t for arguments that were ironclad. It was just for arguments — for claims about Obama’s record — that were based on a reasonable reading of the facts, and that weren’t missing obviously key context.

  14. Ryan is obviously evil incarnate and unfit for public office. I have NEVER heard of a politcian embellishing or dissembling like this!!!!

    “I’m shocked to hear gambling is going on in this establishment.” Captain Renault

  15. Paul Ryan’s marathon lie
    He’s used to the media letting him get away with outlandish claims. But this time he went too far
    BY JOAN WALSH
    9/2/12
    http://www.salon.com/2012/09/02/paul_ryans_marathon_lie/

    Excerpt:
    At first I thought the flap over Paul Ryan claiming he ran a marathon in under three hours was silly. (No, I’m not a runner.) Before I read his remarks to the worshipful Hugh Hewitt, it seemed possible that he’d either mis-remembered or mis-spoken. Anyway, Ryan is telling so many destructive political lies on the campaign trail, I thought, why does it matter if he exaggerates his running prowess?

    Then I read the interview. He neither mis-spoke nor mis-remembered; he boasted about the feat with specificity and swagger.

    Asked if he still ran marathons (plural), Ryan answered “Yeah, but I can’t do it anymore, because my back is just not that great.” When fanboy Hewitt interjected, “I’ve just gotta ask, what’s your personal best?” Ryan fatefully answered “Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something.” The adoring Hewitt exclaimed “Holy smokes!” To which Ryan humbly answered, “I was fast when I was younger, yeah.”

    Of course the world now knows that Ryan ran exactly one marathon, and he completed it in just over four hours, not under three. Runners World got the scoop, because marathoners know that Ryan’s claim, if true, was extraordinary. Ryan admitted he got his time wrong in a statement to Runners World, noting “The race was more than 20 years ago.”

    So why would Ryan lie? He’s incredibly fit. No one doubts that he does a grueling P90X workout every day. A Google search for “paul ryan shirtless” yields almost 2.2 million results. Why would he feel he had to embellish his remarkable athletic achievements?

    Because he thought he could.

  16. A typical submoronic article written by a Leftist. (Can a Leftist write any other kind?) So, of course, it all boils down to: “Republicans bad, Democrats good.” Or, “Conservatives bad, LIberals good.” Sure, the details may change, but the message and even the pseudo-“factual” discussion–and I use even that term very, very loosely–remains the same.

  17. Ralph,

    So, Ralph, do you have any opinion about Paul Ryan’s marathon claim? Did you think there were any inaccuracies or untruths included in his convention speech?

  18. Ralph,

    I didn’t read much of anything about Republicans v Democrat, just all about Paul Ryan. Considering that the topic is Ryan and his truthfulness (or lack thereof), can you provide information to dispute what was written?

  19. Everybody Does It
    By Paul Krugman
    9/2/12
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/everybody-does-it/

    Excerpt:
    That seems to be the new Beltway line, now that the shock over the lie-fest in Tampa has died down a bit. At the Washington Post (except at Ezra’s blog), at Politico, and so on, it’s excuse time — sure, Ryan and Romney told a few whoppers, but isn’t that just how politics is?

    It’s not hard to understand why this is happening. For one thing, there’s the views-differ-on-shape-of-planet ethos that has imbued political journalism for many years now. On top of that, a lot of people in DC have major reputational capital at stake. After all the puff pieces on Paul Ryan, after all the op-eds praising his truthfulness and responsibility, after not one, not two, but three Pete Peterson-backed deficit-hawk organizations gave Ryan an award for fiscal responsibility, admitting that he’s actually a big low-body-fat liar would be extremely painful.

  20. Paul Ryan’s Labor Day Promise to American Workers: Candy and a Sports Schedule
    John Nichols on September 1, 2012
    http://www.thenation.com/blog/169695/paul-ryans-labor-day-promise-american-workers-candy-and-sports-schedule

    Excerpt:
    Technically, Ryan has represented Janesville in the US House of Representatives since 1999. But the House Budget Committee chairman’s real designation has always been Paul Ryan, R-Wall Street.

    Janesville used to be a major manufacturing center. Now it has fallen on hard times. Like so many manufacturing communities in the Great Lakes region, it has been rocked by the outsourcing of US jobs. That’s not Ryan’s concern, however. Since his election to the House in 1998, Ryan has voted for free-trade pacts —including the extension of most-favored-nation trading status to China—that have been absolutely devastating to his hometown and other communities in his southeastern Wisconsin district.

    So how has Ryan kept getting re-elected? He’s a smart politician. At election time, he spends millions of dollars collected from Wall Street speculators and CEOs to tell his constituents that he really is determined to save their jobs—or, at the very least, to find them new jobs. He cuts lovely television ads on the assembly lines of the factories that remain in operation and promises to fight for working families.

    Ryan has, of course, been practicing the age-old political art of fooling some of the people some of the time.

    The truth is that Paul Ryan has no interest in fighting for working families—in Janesville or anywhere else in the United States.

    In 2008—during the presidency of George W. Bush—General Motors announced that the sprawling plant that had been Janesville’s top employer for nine decades was closing. Thousands of jobs were lost.

    Unemployment soared. Working families in Janesville and surrounding Rock County are still struggling.

    What was Ryan’s response? He proposed schemes to gamble Social Security funds in the stock market and to gut Medicare and Medicaid.

    Paul Ryan has never offered anything of value or consequence to the laid-off workers of Janesville… until Labor Day, 2011.

    As he marched with other politicians in the Janesville Labor Day parade, the congressman was confronted by Wisconsin workers who were struggling with high unemployment and bleak prospects. A man was videotaped asking what his representative planned to do to aid Ryan’s unemployed constituents.

    “So what should I have to work for to get a job?” the man asked. “Should I have to work the same wages as in China? Should I have to work for $1 an hour?”

    Ryan tried to brush his questioner off. But when the man persisted, Ryan said, “C’mon, we’re all here to have a good time.”

    When he was reminded that it was Labor Day, which would seem to be an appropriate time to discuss unemployment and the condition of workers, Ryan finally offered something:

    “Would you like some candy?” Ryan asked. “Would you like a Packer-Badger schedule?”

    Candy or a sports schedule.

    That’s all job-seeking Wisconsinites ever got from Paul Ryan.

    And that’s all job-seeking Americans will ever get from him.

  21. When I got fired by the IRS I sent Paul Ryan a letter requesting his assistance. He sent me a reply letter stating that due to ethical considerations with regard to federal employees he couldn’t get involved.

    He said in his reply letter that he hopes I understand. I sent him a reply saying yes, I understand.

  22. @Elaine & bettykath: So your point is that Ryan lied or was misleading? Well then, welcome to reality. I have some news for you, having been around the block more than a couple of times: ALL POLITICIANS LIE. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats hold a monopoly on lies, fibs, distortions, etc. However, the Marathon business is surely the most trivial thing I have heard about in some time. For more relevant lies, Obama is the current king. Here’s just a little sample. To give you a complete accounting of Obama’s lies, even in condensed form, I would need at least 60 pages to write them out for you. http://obamalies.net/obama-denies-healthcare-is-a-new-tax-on-all-americans.html

  23. I had some friends in Birmingham, England 25 years ago when I was a human, long before my dog life. They had a great cheer that they would give out when someone of their friends came into their neighborhood bar. When I see this smiling Ryan I think of these folks. CHEERS BIG EARS!

    This schmuck makes Dan Quale look like a saint. Saint Bernard, but Ryan is dumb to lie like this. He will be front and center in this campaign. The Willard and Big Ears. Cheers.

  24. Ralph,

    Two excerpts from my post:
    “I understand that politicians often fudge the truth, leave out details, take their opponents’ comments out of context, etc., in order to win votes.”

    “So why, I wonder, would someone who is running for vice president and who knows the press will likely pick up on everything he says lie about something so trivial?”

    I didn’t imply that Paul Ryan was the only politician who has ever lied. I said he lied about something that was trivial–his marathon time–and wondered why he lied about it. Why do you suppose he’d lie about something so trivial?

  25. I didn’t imply that Paul Ryan was the only politician who has ever lied. I said he lied about something that was trivial–his marathon time–and wondered why he lied about it. Why do you suppose he’d lie about something so trivial?
    ==========
    How about Ryan saying Obama said something when he was the President when he wasn’t the President yet.

  26. @Elaine, so good, we are making some progress. From George H.W. Bush’s “read my lips, no new taxes,” to Bill Clinton’s “I did not have sex with that woman,” to George W. Bush’s “weapons of mass destruction,” and on to Barack Obama’s “the Patient Care and Protection Act doesn’t involve more taxes”–we now recognize that ALL politicians lie. So while Rafflaw, the Leftist, will turn a blind eye to Obama’s rampant, material, and RELEVANT lies, he will focus with great zeal and enthusiam on Ryan’s trivial Marathon lie. But that is the nature of things. Hard-core Democrats as well as Republicans engage in the same mindless trivia that Rafflaw focuses on–while ignoring the REAL and very DANGEROUS lies told by both candidates.

    Turning to the issue of why Ryan would lie about his Marathon run–trivial as the lie may be, you must go back to the underlying principle that I’ve already explicated; i.e., that ALL politicians lie. Yes, Ryan is busy lying about a number of topics, as is Romney. But the SAME is the case with Obama and Biden–who are also lying every which way to Sunday. You should understand that while on the campaign trail, all of the candidates are so busy lying to the public that exaggeration about one’s “accomplishments” is de rigueur. Do the candidates care if they get caught? Not really. Just as all politicians lie, they are also skilled at covering it up, explaining it away, and employing other excuses, and tactics of diversion.

    So, if all candidates lie, why should I vote for either one? Good question. Unfortunately, in today’s politics, you don’t have much of a choice. The system does not ALLOW an honest candidate, and in fact weeds them out very early in the game. Although polls don’t actually seem to test this, I believe that a vast percentage of Americans already understand and agree with everything I’ve said. And so it comes down to voting AGAINST someone, rather than FOR a particular candidate. So because the public was FED UP with Bush, and they looked at McCain as Bush III, they voted for Obama. Today, most Americans don’t see a real difference between Obama and Romney, and, in fact, there really isn’t much difference. They talk a different game, but they are both liberals, make no mistake about that. In fact, it is because Romney has not been able to sufficiently differentiate himself from Obama and his policies, that the race is as close as it is. There is more difference between Coke and Pepsi than between Romney and Obama.

  27. Zarathustra 1, September 3, 2012 at 12:17 am

    And now it’s time someone used a drill on his brain………………
    ===================================================
    I already replaced the keyboard, and it works really well.

  28. Ralph,
    I am glad that you finally realized that I am a leftist. However, you don’t understand that I have not turned a blind eye to Obama’s deficiencies. Just because I believe Obama is the best candidate running for President, does not mean that I think he is perfect. Far from it. However, Romney and Ryan will in office will mean the end of the middle class, the death of Social Security and Medicare, and women’s rights will be turned back 75 years.

  29. In their search for the ultimate liar, the Republicans have gone too far. Pathological liars are the ultimate, but can they control their lying? Paul can not.

    And if Mitt is not pathological, then why is he the Presidential candidate?

  30. i enjoy receiving your posts and was very sorry to hear about your sister, She and you and your family will be in our prayers. Frank Hackmann

    Sent from my iPad

  31. Al Gore was acused of lying everytime he opened his mouth…and Ryan actually does lie and it really isn’t a big deal?? Gore was ridiculed, mocked, and practically spit in by the media for having factual statements twisted into preposterous lies. By election day everybody in the Country was programmed to believe Al ALWAYS lies.

    To bad even half the effort that was used to destroy Gore won’t be used to tell the truth about Ryan.

  32. Carol,

    Do you remember the swiftboating of John Kerry…what the dirty tricksters of the Nixon campaign did to Ed Muskie and his wife…Lee Atwater?

    Most members of the media have been enamored of Paul Ryan. Maybe some of them are beginning to understand who he really is.

  33. As usual, I agree with Zarathustra above. Except finding the brain with a drill would be a drain on the patience of the driller. The Willard and Big Ears–team of the 21st Century. The Willard is kind of like Dewey. Big Ears is kinda like Quayle. Truman, the incumbent, beat Dewey, the Willard of his time. even over the accolades of some newspaper the day after the election in 1948. Yes those East Coast predictors could not tathom the failed haberdasher from Missura beating their boy. Now you have another incumbent from the midwest. The NY and MA folks are chompin at the bit for their Willard to come to the rescue of the Bain investors. I say: Cheers Big Ears to both of these prep school boys in jeans with cheeks of tan, fluffy wives and expensive luxury homes.

  34. Oh, by the way, the election will be a marathon. Big Ears will be in the high twos. They need 270. Two sixty is high. Two months from now. Two sixty Big Ears. Close and of course smoke the Bain cigar. All the way to the bank. The one in the Canaries.

  35. How The Media Soft-Plays Paul Ryan’s Lies: ‘Factual Shortcuts,’ ‘Perceived Inaccuracies,’ ‘Questionable Claims’
    By Zack Beauchamp
    Aug 30, 2012
    http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/30/774211/how-the-media-soft-plays-paul-ryans-lies-factual-shortcuts-perceived-inaccuracies-questionable-claims/

    Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) speech to the Republican National Convention last night was chock-full of bald-faced lies. For example, Ryan blamed the Obama for S&P’s downgrade of our credit rating (despite the fact that S&P blamed GOP policies) and blasted Obama for failing to heed the Bowles-Simpson debt commission (which Ryan torpedoed). Yet political reporters covering the speech have, in many cases, been curiously reticent to call Ryan’s lies what they are. Here’s a list, in no particular order, of the euphemisms used in place of “lie” to describe Ryan’s falsehoods:

    1. “Factual shortcuts.” — Jack Gillum and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press. Even in some pieces ostensibly devoted to fact-checking Ryan’s speech, like this Associated Press item, reporters shy away from the term “lie.”

    2. “Factually challenged” – John Berman, CNN. The word lie was later used on air to describe Ryan’s speech, but by The Daily Caller’s Will Cain, who was defending Ryan against the charge.

    3. “Inaccuracies” — Donovan Slack, Politico. In what’s essentially a he-said-she-said post about the Obama campaign’s reactions to Ryan’s lies, Slack refers to the speech as “otherwise well-reviewed” despite the avalanche of criticism Ryan received for the speech’s tenuous relationship with the truth.

    4. “Mr. Ryan ran headlong into the fire” — Jim Rutenberg, The New York Times. The Times’ write-up of the speech fails to call out any of the lies in Ryan’s speech, focusing instead on how the speech would play politically — an issue which is in part determined by how the press chooses to cover the speech.

    5. “He is viewed as a truth teller.” — Howard Kurtz, Newsweek/The Daily Beast. Kurtz chooses to repeat this supposed perception of Ryan without addressing the question of whether the content of the speech is, in fact, truthful.

    6. ” Paul Ryan stretched some truths Wednesday night…according to the fact checkers” — Mark Memmott NPR. In an otherwise admirable piece critiquing Ryan’s speech, Memmott uses both a the “stretched the truth” euphemism and frames the issue as a debate between fact-checkers and Ryan. The Romney campaign dismisses factcheckers, having said “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”

    7. “Questionable claims.” — Carol Costello, CNN. Costello goes on to say that Ryan’s claims about a GM plant in his hometown were rated by CNN factcheckers as “true but incomplete.”

    8. “It’s keeping fact-checkers busy…[the Obama campaign] is trying to call attention to perceived inaccuracies in Ryan’s speech” — Chuck Todd, MSNBC. Indeed.

  36. What are you people on about? You’ll vote Romney/Ryan in, or rather the apathetic masses will, thus;

    Michael Moore: “Sorry to speak the Awful Truth: 90 million say they’re not voting Nov 6 & 2/3 of ’em are Obama supporters. Unless that changes, Romney wins.”

    From the immortal Douglas Adams: “Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

  37. We should read JT’s post this morning concerning his interview by John Cusack, Paul Ryan’s public statements that Romney determines their campaign rhetoric because he is the boss, and a writing by a Mormon concerning their concepts and support of deception:

    D. Michael Quinn called the use of deception by LDS church leaders, “theocratic ethics.” (The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power, page 112) Smith lied to protect himself or the church; which was an extension of himself. Dan Vogel in his excellent work, Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet, described Smith’s viewpoint; he was a pious deceiver. Smith used deception if in his mind; it resulted in a good outcome. Smith had Moroni, an ancient American prophet and custodian of the gold plates declare, “And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me. ( Moroni 4:11-12). Translation: if deception was necessary to do good, or bring a soul to Christ, then it was worth it, as long as God approves. Smith believed he knew when God approved of lying.

    (Lying For The Lord). The reality is not good vs evil, in the form of truth v lies, in any election within our nation any more.

    We are lied to because it is a very time-worn tradition in our culture, and it will continue until we stop it or it destroys our culture.

    We can’t fix something unless we have an honest appraisal of what software developers (“computer programmers”) call “the problem domain”.

    No programmer can fashion a valid solution unless and until that programmer has the real problem domain honestly and competently identified.

    A false problem domain will lead to a false solution every time.

  38. Most all elected pols hail from the Age of Newspapers when you could white lie your way across the country and no one could possibly connect the dots. This includes Paul Ryan, who is just old enough to have born into the previous era and had to learn of computers largely as an adult.

    Yes, Ralph, all politicians lie. But the new era we live in makes them stand out like sore thumbs, as well they should. They offer us the opportunity to reject the liars speaking the lies BEFORE they get into office.

    The lies are really rotten, too. Not even creative. The ease of the Marathon Lie means these two lie with the freedom of breathing.

    Add Romney’s ethically challenged financial position, and you have a ticket that cannot be elected. Most Americans hear Swiss and Caymens and think tax dodge. Thems the rules. Offshore accounts are beyond Congressional subpoena and FOIA requests, and can be used for bribery, blackmail, and money laundering. They pose a serious security risk to the country.

    Ralph, instead of complaining pols lie, use could be using the new media to make them stop. “All sides do it” is neither a valid defense nor a constructive plan.

  39. Waking from a nap, and am greeted by repeated nightmares.

    “8. “It’s keeping fact-checkers busy…[the Obama campaign] is trying to call attention to perceived inaccuracies in Ryan’s speech” — Chuck Todd, MSNBC. Indeed.”
    ElaineM citations and comment.

    Ryan 8; Press 0.

    Who is the pathological liar and who are the whores.
    No disrespect to an honorable (?) profession (whoredom) or women. Just for the press. They now, if not before, now facing such bald-faced lying with total disregard for the so-called power of the media, are totally paralysed. Not even capable of completing a full sentence of critique. There well-worn leather doing its usual round of ass-kissing stroking of power.

    Ryan, I wrote before WP swallowed it whole, is a pathological liar. An excellent one. A compulsive one. An unrestrained one. And likely an immortal one; as he together with Romney and Co. will draw us completely under the surface of the tarpits of doom.

    Why should he stop lying. His charm, charisma, persona have all been irresistable, if we are to believe the testimony in the press. Never publicly challenged. Only thwarted nominally by Obama and Co., but emerging to victory through stalling the nation and progress.

    The eight items cited prove the Press is totally dysfunctional, cowed, dropping their heads like dogs before the alpha hound.

    Can we rely on Elaine’s choice as being truly a picture of the devastation wrought on truth by Ryan and his supporters? I say that in desperation, seeking a straw to keep my hopes floating. I depend on ElaineM, accused as some say, to be the deliverer of liberal leftist views. But this is a terrible view. The minds of a people are in thrall to the power of “creating consent”.

    The apocalypse has come without the trumpets and alarums of conflict. It is greeted instesd by the intoxicated chants from Tampa. Intoxicated? By the prospect of more for them, and less for others. Unaware all! That this cow will soon be unmilkable escapes them.

    Are there no mass protests? Does the world still turn, and all go to jobs (those who have ones); carefully controlling their disapppointment. Or are they even aware that the Matrix has not been shattered by any protests? Of course not. There have been no protests. Tiny islands of small media voices do not a protest make.

    The mockery of democracy prepares for the second act in Charlotte.

    Fourth Estate? Lackeys of power is the right name.

  40. @James in LA,

    Nice to hear from you. Want to take issue with a couple of things. You say:
    “But the new era we live in makes them stand out like sore thumbs, as well they should.”

    Pleaae read ElaineM’s account of press comments to the lies. Note also what I wrote above of the uselessness of small islands of truth here on the internet.

    As for using the net as a force, how do you raise 200,000 hits or get it to go viral so it gets more than a notice in the Tech section of the NYTimes?

    Hope you are right. My view is not so pleasant.

  41. I heard that Paul Ryan has a secret plan to take over the presidency once he and Romney are elected and then select one of the Koch brothers as vice president, Ryan will then resign from office leaving the United States at the mercy of Koch Industries and the Catholic Church.

    Ryan is going to have Romney committed based on his Mormon beliefs. He already has lined up judges and psychiatrists who are willing to do this based on their anti-Mormon beliefs. The Catholic Church and the Cato Institute are behind this scheme.

    I may not have the details exactly right but from what I can gather based on my association with the Catholic Church, the Cato Institute and the Republican Party that is basically how it is going to go down. The Kochs and the Catholic Church have become allies in their global quest for world domination.

    You are right to fear Paul Ryan, he is the Kochchurian Candidate. Stop him now, before it is too late. Please.

  42. idealist707, when you you use a word like “netties,” you are essentially making my point for me. If I understand the reference, you mean most Americans, and most of us use the internet in some capacity. But I also hear a slur in your use of “netties,” a perceived threat I neither see nor understand.

    You do not see that Island Truth is preferable to the landless ocean of lies we had to endure in the Age of Newspapers. If the island is volcanic enough, it will persist. And there is no bigger volcano of though that the internet. The people who committed torture are not safe; don’t think so for a minute. They got PInochet and Milosovic ‘ere t he end, and the tools in those times were primitive compared to what we have now.

    We are mid-way through a transition in which the very old and the very young are separated by a widening chasm. Until this chasm begins to close, our politics will be Old v New, which in our case is GOP v Democratic, respectively. GOP policies, particularly Ryan’s, want to send us back to 1812 and the country is just not going to have it, certainly not if he has to lie shamelessly to do it.

    It’s soooooo much more than hit counts on a blog. Way more. The next evolution of social media will include direct participation in politics. It will be seen by those under 40 as the rational solution to the ridiculous problem we have now of who can lie the loudest. Much of govt can be done by machine in 2012 so it will be coming.

    Only those who want to lie resist it.

  43. @ Bron —

    So here’s how I think the effort to get Mitt Romney committed would go:

    Expert for the plaintiffs (forensic psychiatrist): I have examined and evaluated Mr. Romney and I find that he believes a salamander or something was guarding some gold and that Joseph Smith thereby discovered the Book of Mormon which you can now get for free almost anywhere.

    Cross-examination:

    Q: Were you there?
    A: No.
    Q: So you don’t know how much gold that salamander was guarding?
    A: Not from first-hand knowledge, no. But–

    JUDGE: No further questions. NEXT?

    Expert for the Defendants (forensic psychiatrist): I have examined and evaluated Mr. Ryan and I find that he believes that a young woman who was still a virgin got pregnant by one part of a three-part indivisible god and then she rode on a donkey with her fiance to Bethlehem where she gave birth quite modestly to an infant son who was thereafter visited by three unnamed homeless Orientals purporting to be kings.

    Cross-examination:

    Q: Was this virgin’s mother also a virgin?
    A: I’m a psychiatrist, Your Honor; that is outside the scope of my expertise.
    Q: We have ways to make you talk.
    A: I do talk, Your Honor. Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee…

    JUDGE: No further questions. NEXT?

    Both attorneys: That’s all we have, Your Honor. (Quietly, to each other, “Baruch HaShem”)

    JUDGE: Both are committed. Give them some meds. Do they have insurance? Make those meds generics. NEXT?

  44. James in LA,

    Although I strained to couch my words to avoid irritating you, it appears you have been none the less.

    Did I write unclearly. I live in Sweden and am unfamiliar with some terms. But I see you had none either for the concept of those who inhabit the net.
    I called them “nettites”, as in Chicagoites. Have no idea how you find anything disparaging in my comments of despair.

    I am enthralled, even often uplifted by the power and energy, creativity and hope expressed by the net and those there.
    BUT, in summation, I still see the forces of control still unhindered by the truth streaming on the net.
    I see the streams of propaganda, countering the good values and efforts.

    So, understand. I am for the internet. Hopefully it will be the greatest help to mankind since Gutenberg.
    It can, as I believe it will, usher in an epoch that is more important for this species than anything in the last 2,000 ýears.

    I was out on the net before the Web was created. Using line commands to fetch documents. So, when the web came, I was jubilant. And still am.

    So your dreams have my support. But I see the forces of evil there. The controllers of our world, the agencies of Big Brother, etc, and all highly organized and funded to increae their grip on the net and on us.

    You are not the first, nor am I to see the possibilities of direct democracy. At times I feel like Moses and the promised land. If we can get there I will be content. Now, it looks doubtful.

    You say:
    “Only those who want to lie resist it.”

    Look again, I must counter. Most who lie, USE it.

    Hope you did not mean that I am lying. Did you?

    PS I often offer only points of opposition. And they in no way summarize my stance on the whole spectra of problems we face.

  45. James in LA:

    no, I am serious. I was at a cocktail party here in DC Saturday night with some republican party members and one of them had had a few too many. I thought he was joking but the upper echelon of the republican party does not like Romney and picked him because they knew that they could then force Paul Ryan into the VP spot. Most of the upper echelon are Christian Neo-Cons; Romney isnt one of them but Ryan is. He also has ties to Koch industries and Ayn Rand.

    This is a cabal between the Neo-Cons, the Catholic Church and the libertarians to become the power base in the US.

    I am surprised the msm havent gotten this story yet. But then they dont call it the lame stream for nothing.

    Who would choose a Mormon for a candidate? Look at the cast he was going up against in the primaries, I could have looked good against those bozos. Herman Cain was deep sixed by repubs with the help of David Axlerod, the repubs wanted plausible deniability and Axlerod and the dems were only too willing to help; the last person they wanted to go up against was a conservative, successful black man. And the last thing the repubs wanted was a man like Herman Caine, he isnt a house or a field slave. And you know how repubs like their black people to go along with the party dictates.

    Dont believe what you hear or see in the press or anywhere on the internet, the republican party is not behind Mitt Romney. Ryan is their choice, bought and paid for by the Kochs.

    Fear the Kochchurian candidate.

  46. Idealist707, I see we agree more than we do not, and share a common history with regards to being networked long before the internet. I ran a telephone system based bulletin board system (BBS) for 10 years beginning in 1985 and only unplugged it when I ran Mosaic for the first time.

    That aside, I want to focus on this word “Chicagoites” you used. The city of Chicago has been fictionalized to a fault, and this continues through the present. The phrase “Chicago style politics” is meaningless because it acts like no other major cities exist, or that their politics are any better or worse. It just does not add up to reality. What plagues Chicago, like all cities, is gross under-funding of education that creates intellectual wastelands.

    Chicago is otherwise as awesome town. Go during Taste of Chicago and listen to the Blues. It will cure most anything.

    What irritates me most about Obama is it’s clear he wants success, and the GOP does not. And yet Obama is an accomplice to war crimes. And yet, the whole purpose of the Norquist tax pledge is not to govern, but disassemble it so the White Horse Romney can usher in the waiting theocratic oligarchy. And yet Obama refused to uphold the rule of law at the very moment is was most crucial he do so. Sucks to be me, it does.

    Like W, Obama gave the green light to any procedure — documented on this blog every day — that is only slightly less awful than waterboarding is now ready for rapid deployment by drone coming to your police very soon now. The people who enjoy inflicting pain on others continue to salivate.

    But these old farts who brought it are now clueless what to do. Fish out of water, their lies exposed, they look ridiculous, like Romney and Ryan did last week. And do not think the GOP doesn’t know it, nor do they care. Listen very, very carefully: they only want a signer in chief, not a leader. They are scrambling very hard to take everything they can and hide.

    In 2012, there is no where to run. For a small fee, you can know the movements of anyone you wish.

  47. Bron, utterly fascinating, as much as it is unverifiable. So, to carry on that spirit, I will add my own anecdote: a dear friend of mine since high school worked for about a dozen years as a server at a place called the Bohoemian Grove in northern California (Mote Rio) where Republicans gathered to h’rumph the times and select their leaders, including Presidents. My friend, Chris, claims to have had conversations with the likes of Dole, Kemp and even NIxon! His reflections mirror yours in that the GOP is very choosy about its leaders. Primaries are just a formality. He worked there when they chose Dole and W, for whom they had the same plans as Ryan. Trouble is, W was, how shall one say, less than a dependable intellect.

    But that also seems to be changing. This is not your father’s GOP. This is something altogether different and in dire need of a straight-jacket.

  48. The forces of power still hold the reins.
    The world looks different to the young, and thank god for that. In their smartphones equipped hands lies a doorway to any part of the world, even language being no barrier with simultaneous translation.

    But reins were not confounded by OWS. It could not concentrate enough power to make a difference. It did not control the “image” created against their goals and methods. “Mike check” did not reach all the minds needed for change to happen. It did not become a mass movement.

    Why? The eternal why. Let us look at the dream which became a nightmare which lasted 72 years, the USSR.

    There were all persons controlled. Starting with the food to live on. The whole of Ukraine was starved so Moscow and the apparatchniks could live. Result? Ukrainians ate their children.

    Life became a living nightmare. Without a job; and the state and its puppets (Writer’s Union for ex) controlled who got a job. Without one, you became a beggar, a sleeper in others apartments or dachas. If you knew any who dared.

    What does that say to us today?
    Who pays your paycheck? What security do you have? Think seriously.
    Do they control your freedom of thinking by the info fed to you, the freedome of expression by diverse ordinances, laws (DAA?), rulings.

    The corps are persons now. How much do you have to spend to say what you feel is right? How many can get a campaign going for truth without risking being stamped with “terrorist supporter”, and a minimum of 20 years; or a drone missile at worst.

    We talk of the internet miracle and the Spring of the
    Arab world. Well, yes it was important. But it was touch and go in reality that the net would be of any use, as the Egyptian secret police cut it down.

    Why did the revolt win. Simply because the people had had enough, and the Egyptian government was not prepared to use mass slaughter, lethal gas or sound cannons or radio wave heating of the masses of people. Or FEMA camps for disturbers of order. Obama has imperial powers now. You must have heard of them. Declaring a national emergency gives him or Romney (god forbid) total uncontrolled power.
    (Why else did the Repugs drool on the way to their seats to vote for it. The prospects of their using it was irresistable. Paradise realized, for them.)

    The forces of evil in America know that they can control our minds, our consent, and simply by controlling the media and our stomachs. Yours and your families.

    Fight? Yes, but are we aware of the need? Are we prepared to suffer as the people of Syria are now?

    Probably not.

  49. Bron,

    In all fairness, much of Cain’s wound was self-inflicted. Not just his affair, but his unerring ability to sound like a dictator in the making. It’s not his fault though. He was just a really good example of why the top down management world of business is not actually a good place for training democratic leaders. Cain came across as an Imperial boss. Everyone who has ever worked in any business of scale knows the type and they are nearly universally disliked by their employees and disagreeable to their business partners. There was a conspiracy to take Cain out of serious consideration, but it was his lips collaborating with this tongue, vocal chords and brain that did him in.

  50. James in LA,

    Greetings brother. Your collegues installed Mosaic in by PC at work and said “Welcome”.

    You swing very well, the keys you master, mixing metaphors.

    I could just as well have said New Yorkians, or Dallasites. No offense to Chicago. I only develop rapid prejudices on the basis of at least an acquaintance.

    “And do not think the GOP doesn’t know it, nor do they care. Listen very, very carefully: they only want a signer in chief, not a leader. They are scrambling very hard to take everything they can and hide.”.

    Yep, and more. The tracking, eavesdropping device you bear can now be cut off, courtesy of Apple. Rest assured they have developed and are offering it to the power for other OSs. NO videofilming. No nothing. Dead. Stone dead, exccept to track and listen tto what you sya and attempt to text.

    That was quick wasn’t it. And who says free enterprise is not good?

  51. James in LA,
    You are correct about the signer in chief designation. Romney and Ryan will be doing the Koch brothers bidding. You are also right that Obama has caved to the military industrial complex when it comes to security issues, but he was a big drone guy during the last campaign as well. I am also disturbed that Sheriff Joe has been given a pass by the Justice department. That is a travesty.

  52. Yah, Rafflaw, there is much corruption to work out. But I see more sunshine in the future, not less. We have been made to wear the Rapture Goggles for so long, as long as I have been alive via the Cold War. It’s only recently that we have the context to see the extent to which we have been misled. And frankly, we’re still in shock. One symptom of that condition is trading in facts for Whatever Comes Out Of My Mouth (WCOOMM — everything should have an acronym.).

    The latest pair of End Of Ends Eyewear are given to us by a class of people who, from their point view, see their world most certainly ending as it grows less white by the hour. I demure on their glasses, though. I can see fine.

    Let us assume Bron’s cabal of neocons, catholics, and libertarians. Mighty weak tea. Wars are ending, not beginning, and America is tired of it. The RCC will soon be sued out of existence if Milwaukee is any indicator. Plus, religious people are not being replaced in near sufficient numbers as they expire. Ironically, Libertarians are not popular with the elderly.

    Thanks for your props upthread.

  53. James in LA,
    you are welcome. I do like your acronym! You may also be right about the RCC. The far right crazies within the church are part of the reason it is rightfully struggling.

  54. The names are confusing. Ann Rand, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan. Similar, dissemilar. For the VP Choice I like the name mentioned above by the dog.: Big Ears.

  55. The Flimflam Man
    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: August 5, 2010
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=3

    Excerpt:
    One depressing aspect of American politics is the susceptibility of the political and media establishment to charlatans. You might have thought, given past experience, that D.C. insiders would be on their guard against conservatives with grandiose plans. But no: as long as someone on the right claims to have bold new proposals, he’s hailed as an innovative thinker. And nobody checks his arithmetic.
    Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times

    Which brings me to the innovative thinker du jour: Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin.

    Mr. Ryan has become the Republican Party’s poster child for new ideas thanks to his “Roadmap for America’s Future,” a plan for a major overhaul of federal spending and taxes. News media coverage has been overwhelmingly favorable; on Monday, The Washington Post put a glowing profile of Mr. Ryan on its front page, portraying him as the G.O.P.’s fiscal conscience. He’s often described with phrases like “intellectually audacious.”

    But it’s the audacity of dopes. Mr. Ryan isn’t offering fresh food for thought; he’s serving up leftovers from the 1990s, drenched in flimflam sauce.

    Mr. Ryan’s plan calls for steep cuts in both spending and taxes. He’d have you believe that the combined effect would be much lower budget deficits, and, according to that Washington Post report, he speaks about deficits “in apocalyptic terms.” And The Post also tells us that his plan would, indeed, sharply reduce the flow of red ink: “The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan would cut the budget deficit in half by 2020.”

    But the budget office has done no such thing. At Mr. Ryan’s request, it produced an estimate of the budget effects of his proposed spending cuts — period. It didn’t address the revenue losses from his tax cuts.

    The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center has, however, stepped into the breach. Its numbers indicate that the Ryan plan would reduce revenue by almost $4 trillion over the next decade. If you add these revenue losses to the numbers The Post cites, you get a much larger deficit in 2020, roughly $1.3 trillion.

  56. He got the time wrong on a race he took years ago and corrected his statement when it was brought to his attention. What, seriously, is the big deal about the marathon issue? Frankly, it taints legitimate critiques of Ryan’s statements.

  57. Elaine M. 1, September 3, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Carol,

    Do you remember the swiftboating of John Kerry…what the dirty tricksters of the Nixon campaign did to Ed Muskie and his wife…Lee Atwater?

    Most members of the media have been enamored of Paul Ryan. Maybe some of them are beginning to understand who he really is.
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    Is Paul Ryan the Golden Boy? I don’t trust Paul Ryan, and I don’t trust Sarah Palin either. Mitt Romney? You decide.

  58. “The thing about Ryan is that he has always resided in a counter-factual universe. He is a product of the hermetically sealed right-wing subculture. Many of the facts taken for granted by mainstream economists have never penetrated his brain. Ryan burst onto the national scene with a dense, fact-laden attack on the financing of Obama’s health-care bill that was essentially a series of hallucinations, pseudo-facts cooked up and recirculated by conservative apparatchiks who didn’t know what they were talking about or didn’t care. His big-think speeches reflect the influence of fact-free conservatives and collapse under scrutiny.

    During the last couple of years, Ryan took his act to the big city, expanding beyond his Washington conservative movement base and pitching himself to a broader audience as a straight-talking avatar of fiscal responsibility. That he managed to pull off the feat was completely incredible. Ryan’s entire career had been rooted in the “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter” wing of his party, and he spent the Bush administration consistently pushing for even more fiscally irresponsible policies than even George W. Bush could bear, and then spent the Obama administration relentlessly killing any effort to ameliorate those deficits. The genuine Paul Ryan is a man deeply devoted to reducing tax rates for Job Creators, and staunchly opposed to universal health insurance and other social spending. He is not a deficit hawk. The tension between Ryan’s policy goals and the persona he crafted was strained to the breaking point. When the press corps finally applied even the slightest pressure to it, it immediately and inevitably snapped.” Jonathon Chait, New Yorker

  59. itchinbayDog 1, September 3, 2012 at 8:09 am

    As usual, I agree with Zarathustra above. Except finding the brain with a drill would be a drain on the patience of the driller.
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    Don’t steal the dog’s food. The drill might not work too good.

    The dog never bit the cat unless the cat was trying to steal his food. Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight. Is that too much?

  60. Zvyozdochka (@Zvyozdochka) 1, September 3, 2012 at 9:20 am

    What are you people on about? You’ll vote Romney/Ryan in, or rather the apathetic masses will, thus;

    Michael Moore: “Sorry to speak the Awful Truth: 90 million say they’re not voting Nov 6 & 2/3 of ‘em are Obama supporters. Unless that changes, Romney wins.”

    From the immortal Douglas Adams: “Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
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    You’re half correct. I agree with Tony C. Batten down the hatches.

    And there’s something else. The Captain doesn’t always get a place on the lifeboat. I would have stayed in the engine room, and I was E5 enlisted.

    The band also kept playing.

  61. Q: So you don’t know how much gold that salamander was guarding?
    A: Not from first-hand knowledge, no. But–
    ==================================
    There isn’t any gold in Fort Knox.
    Cross-examination:
    ++++++++++++++

    Q: Was this virgin’s mother also a virgin?
    ================================
    No.
    ===
    A: I’m a psychiatrist, Your Honor; that is outside the scope of my expertise.
    ==========================================================
    Too bad for you.
    ===============
    Q: We have ways to make you talk.
    ===========================
    Oh, really, are you a shrink?
    =======================
    A: I do talk, Your Honor. Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee…
    =======================================================
    Indeed.

    JUDGE: No further questions. NEXT? Ask yourself, judge. Give it some thought.

    Both attorneys: That’s all we have, Your Honor. (Quietly, to each other, “Baruch HaShem”)
    ===============

    B”H simply means “G-d Bless” in Hebrew idiom. Literally is it “Blessed is the Name” which inferrentially always means the divine name.

    In the vernacular of Jewish culture, it is interchangeable as many things, like “Thank G-d” though there are other ways to say it.

    Pious Jews will often respond to the question of “How are you?” with B”H. It expresses that it doesn’t matter as divine blessings we get everyday are overwhelming. Consider the lesson of Dayenu at the Passover seder as an analogy. “Your whole family was just murdered! How are you holding up?” “Baruch HaShem. (I’m still alive and they are with G-d.)” I find this all frustrating, personally, trying to get the emes (right answer) out of those people. It’s like the game of asking a non-Jew to turn on your light on Shabbos without actually asking him, which would be prohibited. “Boy, I sure wish I could ask you to turn my light with this switch right here, but alas I cannot directly ask you as it is not allowed according to the Mishnah.”
    ===========================================================
    Why am I agnostic?

    JUDGE: Both are committed. Give them some meds. Do they have insurance? Make those meds generics. NEXT?

  62. ID707,

    So, understand. I am for the internet. Hopefully it will be the greatest help to mankind since Gutenberg.
    It can, as I believe it will, usher in an epoch that is more important for this species than anything in the last 2,000 ýears.

    I was out on the net before the Web was created. Using line commands to fetch documents. So, when the web came, I was jubilant. And still am.

    So your dreams have my support. But I see the forces of evil there. The controllers of our world, the agencies of Big Brother, etc, and all highly organized and funded to increae their grip on the net and on us.

    You are not the first, nor am I to see the possibilities of direct democracy. At times I feel like Moses and the promised land. If we can get there I will be content. Now, it looks doubtful.

    You say:
    “Only those who want to lie resist it.”

    Look again, I must counter. Most who lie, USE it.

    Hope you did not mean that I am lying. Did you?

    PS I often offer only points of opposition. And they in no way summarize my stance on the whole spectra of problems we face.
    =======================================
    Information is power, and it runs both ways.

  63. Bron 1, September 3, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Dont believe what you hear or see in the press or anywhere on the internet, the republican party is not behind Mitt Romney. Ryan is their choice, bought and paid for by the Kochs.

    Fear the Kochchurian candidate.
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    I don’t trust Paul Ryan.

  64. James in LA,

    Chicago is otherwise as awesome town. Go during Taste of Chicago and listen to the Blues. It will cure most anything.
    ===================================
    You’re full of sh*t.

  65. James in LA 1, September 3, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Bron, utterly fascinating, as much as it is unverifiable. So, to carry on that spirit, I will add my own anecdote: a dear friend of mine since high school worked for about a dozen years as a server at a place called the Bohoemian Grove in northern California (Mote Rio) where Republicans gathered to h’rumph the times and select their leaders, including Presidents. My friend, Chris, claims to have had conversations with the likes of Dole, Kemp and even NIxon! His reflections mirror yours in that the GOP is very choosy about its leaders. Primaries are just a formality. He worked there when they chose Dole and W, for whom they had the same plans as Ryan. Trouble is, W was, how shall one say, less than a dependable intellect.

    But that also seems to be changing. This is not your father’s GOP. This is something altogether different and in dire need of a straight-jacket.
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    George W. is an eternal adolescent. The human brain doesn’t fully mature until the mid-twenties, but sometimes it gets stuck. W is an affable eternal adolescent. Paul Ryan’s brain is fully matured.

  66. Paul Ryan and the Post-Truth Convention Speech
    By James Fallows
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/paul-ryan-and-the-post-truth-convention-speech/261775/

    Excerpt:
    Paul Ryan’s speech was well-written, well- delivered, and well-received. All of that was evident to anyone watching on TV. It had a number of nice smilingly vicious hit lines — starting with the masterful “staring up at the faded Obama posters” riff — plus a note of encouraging uplift at the end.

    It was also profoundly dishonest in ways large and small.

    Small: telling the sad story of the closing of the Janesville GM plant, and clearly implying that this was one more casualty of the Obama-unemployment era. Whereas of course the plant was shuttered before Obama even took office.

    Medium: telling that story on the assumption that no one would say, “Wait a minute: wasn’t Obama the guy who was pushing the big auto-industry bailout, which your nominee and your party opposed? So wouldn’t there have been a lot more closed plants if you’d had your way?”

    Large: blasting Obama for not enacting the outlook of the Simpson-Bowles commission, without noting that Ryan himself was on the commission and voted against its recommendations because they included tax increases as well as spending cuts.

    Large: blasting Obama for proposed cuts in Medicare without noting that Ryan has proposed those same cuts and much more.

    Let’s assume that Ryan knows the “real” answer on these points. If he’s from Janesville, he knows when the plant shut down. If he was on the Simpson-Bowles Commission, he knows how he voted. So just as a personal matter, I wonder how he convinced himself it was OK to say things he knew were provably wrong in front of tens of millions of people.

    – If I were writing about the Janesville plant in an Atlantic article, I’d know with 100% certainty that one of our fact-checkers, probably Sue Parilla, would step in to say: Wait a minute, you can’t write that! It actually closed before Obama was in office.

    – If I were writing it in a blog post, I’d think: Wait a minute, a lot of people are going to know the real story. I better put in a clause showing I’m aware of it too, or else people will rip apart my claim.

    – If I were writing it for someone else to give in a speech, I’d think: Wait a minute, this guy is going to be pissed if I set him up to tell a provable lie in front of an audience.

    – And if I were somehow in a position to say this myself before a huge audience, I’d worry about someone saying, “Wait a minute, I’m from Janesville too, and…” Or “wait a minute, didn’t you vote against Simpson-Bowles yourself?”

  67. Quote of the Day: Paul Ryan Misses by a Factor of 30
    —By Kevin Drum
    Tue Sep. 4, 2012
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/quote-day-paul-ryan-misses-factor-30

    From Paul Ryan, on the stump in North Carolina yesterday:

    In 1980 under Jimmy Carter, 330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy. Last year, under President Obama’s failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.

    It turns out this isn’t true. In 1980 there were 43,000 business bankruptcies. Last year there were 47,000.

    But here’s what’s weird: Ryan’s numbers are right if you include both personal and business bankruptcies. So why not just say that? Why not just say “individuals and businesses” in the sentences above. It would still have the same impact. There’s really no reason to mislead his audience this way.

    It’s sort of like his marathon whopper. Why claim he ran a sub-three-hour marathon? To convince people that he’s in really good shape? Well, he is in really good shape. He doesn’t need to bother inventing weird stuff like this to make that point. And no one’s going to change their vote because of his marathon prowess anyway.

    I dunno. Maybe Ryan doesn’t have the steel trap mind everyone thinks he does. Maybe he forgets a lot of stuff. Maybe he likes his applause lines a little too much. Or maybe he’s just really sloppy. It’s a little hard to figure out.

  68. The Chrysler plant in Kenosha, Wisconsin was completely dismantled and disappeared. Why didn’t Paul Ryan mention that?

  69. Exclusive: Paul Ryan Quietly Requested Obamacare Cash
    Lee Fang on September 5, 2012
    http://www.thenation.com/blog/169757/exclusive-paul-ryan-quietly-requested-obamacare-cash

    Excerpt:
    Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan is barnstorming the country, promising to repeal every provision of the Affordable Care Act if the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected. But a letter he wrote to the Obama administration may undermine this message.

    On December 10, 2010, Ryan penned a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services to recommend a grant application for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan’s district. “The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages who are currently without healthcare,”…

    The grant Ryan requested was funded directly by the Affordable Care Act, better known simply as healthcare reform or Obamacare.

    The letter, among several obtained by The Nation and The Investigative Fund through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a stark reminder that even the most ardent opponents of Obamacare privately acknowledge many of the law’s benefits.

    Federally funded health clinics have long provided a broad range of vital medical, dental and mental health services to underprivileged communities across the country, regardless of a persons’ ability to pay. To meet the goal of expanding coverage, the Affordable Care Act provides for a sweeping expansion of such clinics, including $9.5 billion for operating costs to existing community health centers and $1.5 billion for new construction.

    In public, Ryan has cultivated a profile as one of health reform’s most outspoken critics. He savages the Affordable Care Act as an example of “Washington’s reckless spending spree,” as “irresponsible,” and has warned repeatedly that it would place the “federal government squarely in the middle of health-care decisions.”The grant Ryan requested was funded directly by the Affordable Care Act, better known simply as healthcare reform or Obamacare.

    The letter, among several obtained by The Nation and The Investigative Fund through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a stark reminder that even the most ardent opponents of Obamacare privately acknowledge many of the law’s benefits.

    Federally funded health clinics have long provided a broad range of vital medical, dental and mental health services to underprivileged communities across the country, regardless of a persons’ ability to pay. To meet the goal of expanding coverage, the Affordable Care Act provides for a sweeping expansion of such clinics, including $9.5 billion for operating costs to existing community health centers and $1.5 billion for new construction.

    In public, Ryan has cultivated a profile as one of health reform’s most outspoken critics. He savages the Affordable Care Act as an example of “Washington’s reckless spending spree,” as “irresponsible,” and has warned repeatedly that it would place the “federal government squarely in the middle of health-care decisions.”

  70. On December 10, 2010, Ryan penned a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services to recommend a grant application for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan’s district. “The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages who are currently without healthcare,”…

    In public, Ryan has cultivated a profile as one of health reform’s most outspoken critics. He savages the Affordable Care Act as an example of “Washington’s reckless spending spree,” as “irresponsible,” and has warned repeatedly that it would place the “federal government squarely in the middle of health-care decisions.”
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    Kenosha and Racine are in Paul Ryan’s district.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge

    The bridge to nowhere wasn’t built, but Alaska got the money to use on other projects. Senator Ted Stevens died in a plane crash.

  71. Paul Ryan: Fact Check Fury Could Threaten Political Brand
    By GREGORY J. KRIEG
    Sept. 5, 2012
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/paul-ryan-fact-check-fury-threaten-political-brand/story?id=17153262#.UEgF-6PYEUo

    Expert:
    Having spent the last 14 years in Congress building a political brand rooted in his avowed devotion to telling “hard truths,” Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan entered this election season as no one’s favorite to be accused of habitual dishonesty on the campaign trail.

    The Wisconsin congressman’s positions on debt and deficit reduction have never been about political posturing, supporters say. Rather, they are the logical result of years spent mining the numbers, just a man and his calculator, making dire calculations about the country’s fiscal path.

    And yet, less than four weeks since being introduced as Mitt Romney’s running mate, Ryan has given rise to a furious fact-check revolution, with analysts warning his claims — about everything from Health Care reform to his best marathon time — could imperil what many had painted as his cardinal virtue: Honesty.

    It’s a stark departure from just two months ago, when The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza called Ryan the leader of the Republican party’s “attack and propose faction,” an ideas man (and counterpoint to some of his obstructionist Republican colleagues) who had written and passed budgets in the House and drafted two versions of his fiscal manifesto, “The Roadmap.”

  72. Elaine M. 1, September 5, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    The Wisconsin congressman’s positions on debt and deficit reduction have never been about political posturing, supporters say. Rather, they are the logical result of years spent mining the numbers, just a man and his calculator, making dire calculations about the country’s fiscal path.
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    I’ve been mining the numbers for years. Hyperinflation is the result. Your dollar is going to be worth a dime.

    I know how to make a generator work, or an engine. I also know how to balance your checkbook. Which is worth more?

  73. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/9513687/We-should-tune-in-to-the-Romney-and-Ryan-show.html#comment-640887827

    “His speech at the convention was so dangerous to the Obama Democrats, with their aspirations toward European-style democratic socialism, that they unleashed their “fact checkers” to find mistakes (“lies”) in it. (Remember the old Yes Minister joke: “You can always accuse them of errors of detail, sir. There are always some errors of detail”.)”

    ” When Romney and Ryan offer their arguments to the American people, they are, of course, at an advantage over almost any British or European politician. Contrary to what many know-nothing British observers seem to think, the message coming out of Tampa was not Tea Party extremism. It was just a reassertion of the basic values of American political culture: self-determination, individual aspiration and genuine community, as opposed to belief in the state as the fount of all social virtue. Romney caught this rather nicely in his acceptance speech, with the comment that the US was built on the idea of “a system that is dedicated to creating tomorrow’s prosperity rather than trying to redistribute today’s.” Or as Marco Rubio put it in his speech, Obama is “trying ideas that people came to America to get away from”. “

  74. Bron,

    WHOSE speech was “so dangerous” to Obama Democrats? Ryan’s?

    The press had been enamored of Ryan and his budget…his intellect and his “wonkishness.” It looks as if his speech at the RNC woke the members of the media from their state of stupor. They are beginning to see the light. Now they have a clue who this man really is–a big hypocrite given to lying a lot.

  75. Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For
    By Zack Beauchamp
    Sep 9, 2012
    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/09/816861/ryan-i-didnt-vote-for-the-defense-cuts-i-voted-for/

    Excerpt:
    Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has gotten in hot water before for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011. When confronted with this incongruity today on Face The Nation, Ryan simply denied that he ever voted for the cuts, telling an incredulous Norah O’Donnell that he didn’t actually vote for the cuts he’s on record as voting for:

    O’DONNELL: Now you’re criticizing the President for those same defense cuts you’re voting for and called a victory.

    RYAN: No, no — I have to correct on you this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says the sequester will occur if we don’t cut $1.2 trillion in government. … We can get into this nomenclature; I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester.

    O’DONNELL: Right. A trillion dollars in defense spending, and you voted for it!

    RYAN: No, Norah. I voted for the Budget Control Act.

    O’DONNELL: That included defense spending!

    RYAN: Norah, you’re mistaken.

    O’Donnell is, in fact, not mistaken. The Budget Control Act, as passed, included both the roughly $600 billion in “sequestration” cuts that will happen if there’s no compromise on the budget by December as well as the $487 billion of military-supported cuts that will take place regardless. The fact that Ryan may have wished that the bill didn’t contain said defense cuts does not absolve him of the fact that he and 201 other Republicans voted for the bill as-passed.

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  77. Hello sir,
    Thank you for your nice posting.The press had been enamored of Ryan and his budget…his intellect and his “wonkishness.” It looks as if his speech at the RNC woke the members of the media from their state of stupor. They are beginning to see the light.
    Thanks……………

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