In the movie Friends with Benefits, the character Jamie asks Dylan “why do I get the feeling this is the first real commitment you’ve ever made?” Dylan responds “It’s not. T-Mobile. Two years. And f*** do I regret that one!”
The ongoing proceedings involving Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis and lead prosecutor Nathan Wade seem to be playing out a real-life version of Friends with Benefits, though the benefits may have violated core ethical rules. Now, it appears that Wade may, like Dylan, regret that cellphone plan.
In a new filing in the court, counsel for defendants in the 2020 election case have submitted telephone records indicating that Willis and Wade exchanged over 2,000 phone calls in the first 11 months of 2021.
Those calls, it is alleged, contradict the sworn testimony of both prosecutors on their relationship. They have insisted that they did not become romantically involved until shortly after Wade was hired by Willis in the Trump case. They also downplayed how often they spoke, describing a limited level of contact in 2021.
Investigator Charles Mittelstadt submitted an affidavit discussing over 2,000 voice calls and just under 12,000 text messages from the 11-month period of January to November 2021. That later date is when Wade was hired.
The investigator noted “a prevalence of calls made in the evening hours and suggested that some indicate that Wade had stayed overnight at Willis’s home despite denials on the stand. Challengers are claiming that the records indicate that Wade may have been over to the home as many as 30 times during that period.
In her testimony, Willis was combative, declaring “It’s a lie! It’s a lie!” when asked about a romantic relationship preceding her hiring of Wade. Many in the media praised Willis as showing what a “good lawyer” she is in attacking the media, the defendants, and critics.
If Wade did not stay over, the parties are claiming that his cellphone seemed to:
Specifically, on September 11, 2021, Mr. Wade’s phone left the Doraville area and arrived within the geofence located on the [redacted] address at 10:45 P.M. The phone remained there until September 12 at 3:28 A.M. at which time the phone traveled directly to towers located in East Cobb consistent with his routine pinging at his residence in that area. The phone arrived in East Cobb at approximately 4:05 A.M., and records demonstrate he sent a text at 4:20 A.M. to Ms. Willis.
Additionally, on November 29, 2021, Mr. Wade’s phone was pinging on the East Cobb towers near his residence and, following a call from Ms. Willis at 11:32 P.M., while the call continued, his phone left the East Cobb area just after midnight and arrived within the geofence located on the [redacted] address at 12:43 A.M on November 30, 2021. The phone remained there until 4:55 A.M.
The allegations could not be more serious. Wade and Willis are prosecuting defendants for filing false papers and making false statements to courts. They are now accused of the same conduct, including allegedly lying under oath.
It is important to emphasize that these records have not been fully vetted in court. Cellphone records can be highly interpretive and imprecise on locational tracking. Willis did file a response this week. In addition to objecting that the records “are not properly in evidence” and have not been authenticated, she stated in part:
“The records do not prove, in any way, the content of the communications between Special Prosecutor Wade and District Attorney Willis; they do not prove that Special Prosecutor Wade was ever at any particular location or address; they do not prove that Special Prosecutor Wade and District Attorney Willis were ever in the same place during any of the times listed in Supplemental Exhibit 38.”
If established, this would make this controversy far more serious than disqualification from this case. It could raise concerns over potential criminal conduct. It could also push the court to refer both attorneys to the bar.
Whatever the merits on the relationship, the conduct of Wade and Willis after the allegations are as troubling for many of us. They have put their own interests ahead of those of the case and their office. The first reaction of Willis was to go to a church and paint all of these questions as racist.
In his testimony, Wade appeared to contradict his prior sworn statements in his divorce case when asked, in May 2023, whether he had sexual relations or entertained a member of the opposite sex other than his wife over the course of his marriage, including during their separation. He answered no, but later admitted to a sexual relationship with Willis during that period. Wade simply insisted that he was answering according to his own definition of the marriage and excluded the specific reference to the period of separation up to May 2023.
Willis was more aggressive but may have now created a record that stands rebutted by the telephone records.
In the prior hearings, Willis was applauded on many news sites as she defiantly yelled at opposing counsel “You’re confused. You think I’m on trial. These people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. I’m not on trial, no matter how hard you put me on trial.”
Unless Wade and Willis can rebut this evidence as false or immaterial, they indeed could very well find themselves on trial.
Yep! First thing black politicians do when caught, run to church get on pulpit and yell racicm
No, actually he leans left. He just tells the truth so there’s that.
Do you have an argument.
If you are going to lob insults like grenades, you could atleast TRY to provide a factual basis for the insults.
It’s tax free!
You said, “Jonathan Turley is a right-wing extremist piece of shit. And those are his good qualities.💩”
But you said that as if that were a bad thing???
I could do a better job lying than these two morons and I’m an idiot
Investigator Charles Mittelstadt submitted an affidavit discussing over 2,000 voice calls and just under 12,000 text messages from the 11-month period of January to November 2021. That later date is when Wade was hired.
270 days, 4 calls per day every day, 44 text messages per day…on average.
FOUR CALLS EVERY DAY FOR NEARLY A YEAR
FOURTY FOUR TEXT MESSAGES EVERY DAY FOR NEARLY A YEAR.
Willis and her paramour are bold faced liars, putting on a soap opera performance in the court, making a fools of themselves. All this theater by these lying, TDS drenched corrupt leftist malcontents is so that they can immediately play the race card if the judge dares to get a pair and remove them from their pathological effort to somehow ‘get’ Trump.
Turley Writes About Georgia While Ignoring Alabama
The Alabama Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos are children is putting Republicans in a bind, forcing them to distance themselves from some of the decision’s sweeping consequences.
It has put GOP politicians who oppose abortion rights but back IVF in a complicated position, forcing them to awkwardly explain why they may disagree with a ruling even as some of them say they believe embryos are babies.
Veteran GOP strategist and former Republican National Committee spokesperson Doug Heye said hard-line conservatives found themselves “in a box,” just like after the ruling overturning Roe v. Wade was leaked.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4486065-gop-seeks-to-distance-itself-from-consequences-of-alabama-frozen-embryo-decision/
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One would think the IVF ruling in Alabama was Made-For-Turley issue. Theoretically, a law professor of Turley’s standing would be just the sort of pundit to explain the complexities here.
But Turley, like most Republicans, was caught totally flat-footed by this state supreme court ruling. Because it highlights the sheer bone-headeness of the Dobbs decision!
In the spirit of Dobbs, far-right Christians fancied that declaring embryos ‘babies’ would be the logical end-run to short circuit what remains of abortion rights. But to their chagrin this ruling has outraged even far-right Christians!!
It all goes back to what many observers noted when the Dobbs decision was unleashed: “Republicans are the dog that finally caught the car”.
Interestingly, Trump and other leading Republicans promptly called on the Alabama legislature to correct through new legislation this interpretation of wrongful death by the Alabama court.
The Dobbs decision was never about conservative or pro-life views of abortion. It was about whether the Constitution took a position one way or the other. And the Court reached the correct view that it did not. Republicans now have to adapt to the political reality that most voters believe abortion should be permitted in the first trimester, and thereafter if certain exceptions apply. Trump understands this, and has to decide if he will seek to keep this at the state level, or advocate for a Federal law along these lines. Tough call.
The Alabama Constitution says “This state acknowledges, declares, and affirms that it is the public policy of this state to recognize and support the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children, including the right to life.” The ruling says that extrauterine embryos are children under the Alabama Constitution. Seems to me that they’ll need to amend the Constitution again.
The decision was not based on the Alabama constitution. It was entirely based on an Interpretation of the wrongful death statute. It held that the statute does not provide for unborn embryos outside the womb to be excluded from its coverage. The legislature can override the decision through legislation alone. There is no need to amend the Alabama constitution. It’s possible that someone might then challenge the new law as being in violation of the Alabama constitution, but that would be a different argument and would have to be raised in a new case.
The court did refer to the constitutional provision but only to explain that it is a rule of construction requiring courts to construe ambiguous statutory terms in a manner that protects unborn children. Here, because the statute did not provide an explicit exception for extrauterine embryos, it applied this rule of construction to interpret silence in favour of the life of the unborn child. New legislation that carved out an explicit exception sufficient to protect IVF procedures would almost certainly be permissible given how the court explained the constitutional provision.
“It’s possible that someone might then challenge the new law as being in violation of the Alabama constitution, but that would be a different argument and would have to be raised in a new case.”
That’s what I’m arguing: that if the legislature amends the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act to exclude extrauterine embryos, that would presumably be challenged as unconstitutional in light of § 36.06 of the Alabama Constitution. The ruling says, “as part of our Constitution, § 36.06 represents “the supreme law of the state,” meaning that all statutes “must yield” to it…”
If you read the decision you will see that the court said the constitutional policy guides courts on how to interpret ambiguous legislation. A clear amendment to the wrongful death statute to exclude extrauterine embryos when used for IVF procedures would almost certainly survive a challenge. There is no need for another constitutional amendment to change the law in this way.
I did read the decision. That’s how I came to quote from it. And they concluded that the meaning of “child” was not ambiguous. The opinion consistently refers to unimplanted IVF embryos as “children”: “extrauterine children,” “unborn children who are located outside of a biological uterus,” “all unborn children, regardless of their location,” “embryonic children … kept alive in a cryogenic nursery while they awaited implantation,” “unborn children who are not physically located ‘in utero,'” etc.
So if the legislature creates an exception to the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act for unimplanted IVF embryos, that’s in tension with the finding that there is no ambiguity about unimplanted embryos being “children” in Alabama. And therefore it seems to be in tension with the finding that “§ 36.06 represents “the supreme law of the state,” meaning that all statutes “must yield” to it,” since § 36.06 says
“(a) This state acknowledges, declares, and affirms that it is the public policy of this state to recognize and support the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children, including the right to life.
“(b) This state further acknowledges, declares, and affirms that it is the public policy of this state to ensure the protection of the rights of the unborn child in all manners and measures lawful and appropriate.”
The Act refers to “the death of a minor child … caused by the wrongful act, omission, or negligence,” and if they add something like “except for minor children who are unimplanted embryos,” that strikes me as conflicting with “the public policy of this state to recognize and support the sanctity of unborn life.” I could also see someone arguing that such an exception would conflict with the Equal Protection Clause.
We disagree about whether “A clear amendment to the wrongful death statute to exclude extrauterine embryos when used for IVF procedures would almost certainly survive a challenge.”
And voters won’t forget that this travesty was brought about by Republicans, who will work to extend it nationwide with their total abortion ban that they will pass if they get control of Congress.
Try abstinence. It won’t kill anybody.
62,000,000 abortions is birth control, bloody, slice em up, destruction, making Planned Parenthood execs millionaires.
Abstinence doesn’t apply to a couple seeking to become pregnant using IVF.
Abstinence doesn’t work for someone who is already pregnant (whether through casual sex, or sex with their husband, or rape, …). You may wish that people only had sex when they were willing to carry a pregnancy to term, but that’s not how it is.
Abstinence doesn’t work for someone who is already pregnant and needs an abortion for health reasons.
Abstinence doesn’t work for someone who is already pregnant with a wanted pregnancy, but the fetus is diagnosed with a medical condition that’s incompatible with life after birth.
If you like abstinence, go for it, remain abstinent. But your preferences do not determine other people’s choices.
Nonsense. Republicans are divided on the issue of abortion.
Abstinence doesn’t work for someone who is already pregnant and needs an abortion for health reasons.
What health issues?
I agree there is some tension but also think that an amendment to the law excluding extrauterine embryos created in connection with IVF procedures from the definition of “child” for the purposes of the wrongful death statute would survive a challenge.
The Dobbs decision was NOT correct.
While it correctly found there is no right to an abortion,
There is an 9th amendment right to control of your own body.
If you deal with abortion properly through that 9th amendment right to control your own body – you get results that are not going to make either the left or right happy, and that resemble Rowe – or more accurately Casey as Casey overruled Rowe wven if the left does not understand that.
Variosu states knee jerk reacting to Dobbs by enshrining in their constitutions a right to abortion was a huge mistake.
Abortion is not a right. Control of your own body is.
You can not make anything a right that imposes affirmative obligations on others.
Think about what you just said. It’s not your body. It’s another very, very, very young person’s body. If a pregnant woman is killed, the perp is charged with double homicide. By persisting in the womb, the unborn person is stating that he wants to continue his life; that’s his choice.
With pregnancy, though, it’s not just your body. That is simply a metaphysical fact. But forget abortion for a minute. People have a right to drink alcohol. Do women have a “right” to over-drink, and thus create little Fetal Alcohol Syndrome babies?
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British women may enjoy a glass of wine every now and then during pregnancy, but in the United States, drinking while pregnant is fraught. Forty-three US states have regulations around the practice, which range from prohibiting criminal prosecution of pregnant women who drink alcohol to mandating rehab for pregnant women who drink alcohol. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) pegs the number of American women at risk of alcohol-exposed pregnancy at more than 3 million, a controversial figure that includes any woman who consumes alcohol without being on birth control.
To be sure, exposing a fetus to high levels of alcohol is harmful, and can cause all sorts of disabilities. But a study published this week in the journal Alcohol and Alcoholism found an interesting correlation: States with more punitive laws about drinking during pregnancy also had restrictive abortion laws.
The study also found that the US has been adopting more punitive alcohol/pregnancy policies of late, a trend that mirrors a recent increase in restrictive policies around reproductive rights. Currently, 21 US states have policies requiring that pregnant women who consume alcohol be reported to child services, 20 consider the women liable for child abuse, and five recommend civil commitment.
https://qz.com/1045856/americas-laws-about-alcohol-during-pregnancy-are-more-about-restricting-reproductive-rights-than-reducing-harmful-drinking
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So, does a state have a legitimate interest in this? Is it just Red states? Before you answer, consider this related thing:
California is one of the dozens of states with laws on the books that criminalize drug use during pregnancy, some of which have been passed in recent years in response to growing concerns about the opioid epidemic. Studies have found that the rate of children born with neonatal abstinence syndrome, a form of withdrawal, increased by more than 500% between 2004 and 2014, and opioid overdoses have become a significant contributor to maternal deaths in some states.
https://www.vumc.org/childhealthpolicy/news-events/many-states-prosecute-pregnant-women-drug-use-new-research-says-thats-bad-idea
And, if I may add this,
Estimates are about 1 in 20 children have some FASD to some degree. I am not convinced of that number, but: https://www.marchofdimes.org/find-support/topics/planning-baby/fetal-alcohol-spectrum-disorders
which provides this:
“Babies with FASDs are more likely than other babies to have intellectual and developmental disabilities. These are problems with how the brain works that can cause your child to have trouble or delays in physical development, learning, communicating, taking care of himself or getting along with others. You don’t know if your baby has these kinds of problems when he’s born, but they may affect him later in life.”
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And, some famous FASD folk, are Nicholas Cruz, the Parkland killer, who did not get the death penalty because of FASD, and possibly Ethan Crumbley:
“That was true of a very similar tragedy in Parkland Florida, in which Nikolas Cruz (an adoptee whose birth mother was reportedly drunk virtually every day of the pregnancy) was spared the death penalty after three members of the jury voted for life, largely because of compelling expert testimony about his FASD diagnosis.”
and:
“An Oakland County judge is considering whether Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley, who pleaded guilty to killing four classmates and shooting seven others in 2021 when he was 15, should be eligible for the most severe sentence available in Michigan: life without the possibility of parole.
As a forensic psychologist in California who has consulted or testified in similar cases around the country, I know what kind of mitigating evidence is likely to be considered relevant in such a proceeding. I was not hired to consult on this case, have not talked to the teen’s lawyers and have not seen any evidence other than what has thus far been presented in open court.
Nevertheless, I am more than a little surprised to find there has apparently been no effort to determine whether Crumbley has a brain condition known as Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD).”
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2023/08/07/greenspan-justice-requires-fetal-alcohol-eval-for-oxford-shooter/70542420007/
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So, does a state have a legitimate interest in what is growing inside a pregnant woman?
Yes, states have an interest. But the most effective way to deal with it is to provide effective and easily-available free treatment, not to criminalize it. And that’s what the state should care about: prevention rather than punishment after the fact.
By available “free treatment” do you mean abortion? Or do you mean alcohol and drug rehab? Or my personal
favorite, involuntary rehab until the child is born, followed by tying the tubes.
What would you do with an adult who had been found frozen in the Arctic?
Perhaps thaw him out and revive him in order that he may resume his typical and usual sequence of life?
I have a question—I assume Alabama has laws forbidding cruelty to animals. So, assuming it does, would taking an egg away from a hen and cracking the shell and cooking it be considered animal cruelty? Seems to me it would be, using their rationale, because an egg is the same as a fully formed “chicken “, with the same legal protections as any other chicken, so it seems to me that an egg needs to be handled the same way as a fully formed chicken to protect it from cruelty. In fact, maybe it’s cruel to take the egg away from the hen in the first place because if the hen sits on the egg, it will eventually become a chick.
This example points out the absurdity of giving the same legal protections to an undeveloped fertilized egg with a fully formed human being and calling destruction of an undeveloped fertilized egg “murder.”
Most eggs that are sold are not fertilized.
The animal cruelty law doesn’t prevent people from killing chickens for food and wouldn’t prevent people from killing fertilized eggs for food.
I’m pro-choice, but your analogy is silly.
” IVF Fast Facts 21.3 percent: The chance of having a full term, normal birth weight and singleton live birth per ART cycle using fresh embryos from nondonor eggs is 21.3 percent for women younger than 35, according to SART’s 2015 report. ”
That’s very impressive, I am surprised. That’s one out of 5 attempts produces a healthy child. I thought it would be much lower than that.
Kentucky Fried Chicken operates with impunity in Alabama.
Is the egg fertilized ?
Regardless cruelty to animals laws do not impose the standards that apply to humans to other animals.
Killing animals is legal. Torturing them is not.
Killing humans is not legal. Torturing them is not legal
Sitting on just any egg does not make it become a chick – it must be fertilized first – the eggs you buy at the store are not fertilized.
Separately it is not a violation of cruelty to animals laws to kill a chicken – much less an egg.
It is a violation to torture them.
and cracking the shell and cooking it be considered animal cruelty?
The world eats million of Chickens everyday.
Gigi, the Soviet Democrat neophite apparatchik sent here to play “We’re The Party Of Science” tried this:
This example points out the absurdity of giving the same legal protections to an undeveloped fertilized egg with a fully formed human being and calling destruction of an undeveloped fertilized egg “murder.”
How did a fertilized egg become representative of a fully formed baby at the point of birth that Gigi wants the legal right to kill at the moment of birth with an elective birth control abortion? All because Gigi’s Tinder dates keep going wrong!
This is the “science” that says the Soviet Democrat demand for elective birth control abortions right up to the moment of birth is about ONE HALF of the two parents demanding a legal permission to do whatever they want with that child, including killing it whether or not the other parent agrees.
And for justification, they use “my body, my choice”. THEIR body? Really?
Apparently not realizing that unborn baby they want the right to kill at the moment of birth has different DNA, different fingerprints than either the mother or the father. Proof of individuality sufficient to convict another individual of rape – but for Soviet Democrat Marxist Useful Idiots like Gigi, not good enough to prove being a different human being than either the mother or the father.
There is a good side to this: if Gigi didn’t have all these elective birth control abortions after all those dates went wrong… she’d probably raise the child to be yet another Soviet Democrat Marxist Useful Idiot and welfare burden who votes the same as the promiscuous tramp that is the mother.
I apologize for those of us who treasure Life and cannot bear the thought of destroying living beings. We are a disgrace for doing our best to honor the sacred, whatever their condition, even our Jewish brothers and sisters destined for the ovens with no way out. Like every child starving. Forgive us if we err on the side of protecting and trying to preserve those who have Life.
LMAO – first you apologize then you go for the propaganda ovens from the 1940’s – it’s just AMAZING.
No wonder this world is screwed up.
THE DEMONCRATS ARE A DEATH CULT, AND SO ARE THE NEOCONS.
More left wing propaganda.
None of you even explain the decision.
It’s obviously all BS like all the left wing news.
When you read pages and pages or view hours and hours of left wing news, you learn ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Read the whole damned article and I learned some bammy court made a ruling on embryos – meaning I learned nothing – no context, no explanation, no reason the republicans are in a bind – it’s all babbling nonsense with zero context.
You are correct that this is a “made for Turley issue”
That would mean addressing it as a legal issue not ranting about your personal opinions and politics.
I am only cursorily familiar with the AL decision. But on the surface it seems to be consistent with centuries of common law.
Whether I like the decision of think it SHOULD be the law, or whether it is poltiically complex are all things that are not uspposed to have any business in the law.
There are two issues – is the AL Scotus correct on the law ?
If they are and their decisions is NOT what people want the law to be, then amend the AL constitution or change the law as required.
Waite a minute. You didn’t blame it on Trump. Oh right, I guess that would be “uncharacteristically” stupid of you since he blasted the ruling. But I am confused though. Isn’t it you who is forever telling us something like: “as Trump goes so go Republicans.”
“It’s OK to be white.”
– Rasmussen
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Only 53% of blacks agree while 47% disagree.
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“Blacks are a hate group.”
“As you know, I’ve been identifying as Black for a while – years now – because I like – you know, I like to be on the winning team.”
“The best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from Black people.”
“Just get the f*** away.”
“Wherever you have to go, just get away because there’s no fixing this.”
“You just have to escape, so that’s what I did.”
– Scott Adams, “Dilbert”
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“There’s no fixing this.”
Actual Americans have been bamboozled for a century and a half.
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“A fool and his money are soon parted.”
– Thomas Tusser
“The records do not prove, in any way, the content of the communications between Special Prosecutor Wade and District Attorney Willis; they do not prove that Special Prosecutor Wade was ever at any particular location or address; they do not prove that Special Prosecutor Wade and District Attorney Willis were ever in the same place during any of the times listed in Supplemental Exhibit 38.”
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The author of the brief is right of course in so far as he/she/it argues that the records are not conclusive on the issue of lying about the affair timeline as our good professor has laid out above but what these cellphone records undoubted do is corroboate the eyewitness testimony of Fani bff, Robin Yeartie, who testified that “the romantic relationship began shortly after a 2019 conference” and well before the appointment in 2021 of Wade as Persecutor-in-Chief. Wade’s hand in reorganizing Fani’s office in Nov. 2020 without being an employee is red, too. Those two items are damning enough and should lead to criminal charges and eventual disbarment.
I watched both days of the hearing two weeks ago. They testified that they were only talking a couple times a week at that point. It’s quite obvious from the cell phone records that it isn’t true.
that the records are not conclusive on the issue of lying about the affair timeline
The magician has moved your attention away from the trick.
The crime is lying under oath. Both testified they did not meet together at her home. and only communicated sparingly about work. That testimony has been proven to be a lie.
ALSO. we are not prosecuting a crime. We are determining of the two officers of the Court actions have so sullied they reputation, they must be removed from the case, because of the appearence of impropriety.
Many thanks everyone for your theories last night on why Haley is not dropping out. I have no idea which one is true, but in situations like that I usually think it has to do with money. With that said, when it comes to politicians, the quest for power is also a prime driver, so maybe she thinks that staying in the race will enhance her chances of being picked as Trump’s running mate (which before reading your responses seemed impossible to me).
OMFK – She may be thinking four years ahead. Perhaps she thinks she will be the frontrunner in 2028 if Trump loses this year.
Wait!
OMFK???
Edward, that makes sense that that would be her thought process. But I don’t think she’s right.
“Notorious B I G Fanny” Willis and “Lil Nate” Wade must be charged with abuse of power, corruption, malicious prosecution et al.
“Notorious B I G Fanny” Willis and “Lil Nate” Wade must be fined and have their law licenses revoked.
yes, polar license they should not practice law. They are cheats liars, and a disgrace to the law and order
Am I the only person who believes neither of these lawyers had any knowledge of RICO litigation? I heard one former federal prosecutor say that, having litigated RICO cases, he knows them to be among the (if not the) most difficult kinds of criminal litigation. As someone who practiced law in the “real world” for almost 30 years, I watched almost all of the testimony of these two and concluded they are best suited to DUI cases, speeding violations and uncomplicated divorces — all paid for in cash (which is taken home, put in purses, locked in a home safe, etc.),
GA RICO legislation is broader than RICO legislation in most states. So unless your lawyers practice in GA, their opinions don’t tell you much.
They certainly don’t have much experience.
I agree. I’ve wondered if an experienced RICO prosecutor, like the one you mention, would even have brought a RICO case. I guess we’ll find out if they are disqualified.
Fani Call
That was staring us all in the face, and no one but you picked up on it! That was good!
Dear Prof Turley,
I’m only sure they are lawyers with benefits and a large budget .. . not sure they are friends.
None of these myriad court cases against Trump seem to be wearing well. There’s Fani&Wade, the nut-Judge Endoron & NY’s ‘free-market’ AG, the classified doc nonsense in Fl., the far-flung presidential immunity thing and the Co. et al insurrection ballot cases all urgently pending!
It’s sure to come up during the presidential debates!!
*& if SCOTUS rules against president immunity, which they should imo .. . that will open a whole new can of worms!!!
Dear Abby,
I think my husband is cheating on me. He is a lawyer, and he works with this chick. I recently got his cell phone information, and that rascal sent her over 12,000 texts, and 2,000 voice mails! This over about a 10-month period, and much of that was late at night, and even after midnite! On top of that, I got into the OnStar system on his car, and he made about 30 trips to her house, and some after midnite, where he would stay for hours! He told me that he had affairs at the office to take care of. When I confronted him about the texts and phone calls, he says that they were only having in-depth discussions about Tort Reform. Am I just being paranoid here???
Yours truly,
Suspicious in Georgia.
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Dear Suspicious in Georgia,
Oy vey! Affairs at the office??? Tort Reform??? Of course, he is cheating on you! What are you, a complete dumba$$???
Sincerely,
Abby
Thanks for bringing some humor to the site. It’s sorely needed!
Thank you! I am glad that you got some joy from it!
He said tart reform, where naughty little tarts get a spanking.
LOL!
Dear Suspicious in Georgia,
A wife is not allowed to testify against her husband. Therefore we must disregard your silly suspicions and pretend that nothing is going on.
Will Moochhell be allowed to tell America, to testify against her spouse, and inform America that Barack is actually serving an unconstitutional third term after her election?
How’s that work?
Are Americans supposed to know that and be totally unable to correct it?
Oh yes she can. She cannot be compelled to but she can chose to.
Jonathan: There seems to be a lot of confusion about the arguments before Judge McAfee on whether DA Willis should be removed. It’s not about Nathan Wade’s alleged “adultery” and it’s not about whether the romantic relationship between Wade and Willis interfered with the RICO investigation. And it’s really not about “conflict of interest”–whether Willis financially benefited from hiring Wade. The evidence in the 2-day indicates Willis always paid her own way. The Q for Judge McAfee is whether Willis mislead the court about the relationship–when it started and when it ended. If Willis lied that’s perjury and a basis for her disqualification.
For those trying to keep track McAfee has set March 1 for a hearing on the motions by defendants Roman, DJT, et.al. to both disqualify Willis and get the trial dismissed. The hearing will be live broadcast and can be watched on Meidas Touch network. It should be a doozy!
As to the motion to dismiss the case that probably has a zero chance of succeeding. McAfee won’t do that. Even if McAfee disqualifies Willis it doesn’t mean the case is over. Under GA law a council of prosecutors will have to decide whether to continue the case. If they decide to do so another office will be appointed to carry on. However McAfee rules there will be appeals by either side. That means further delays and no chance the case is going to trial before the November election–exactly what DJT sought to accomplish in this case.
So there is no Q that Willis made a huge personal blunder. She allowed her emotions to overrule her duties as the DA. She should never have allowed herself to engage in a romantic relationship with someone she appointed.
Why assume that it was a “romantic” relationship? It may have been a “money” relationship, and the “romance” part was just an extra feature.
Plus, I commented to you yesterday, and I do not think that you responded. I am sure that was not intentional, because I know that “fairness” is a very important thing to you. Anyway, here is what I wrote:
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@DM
You said, ” Jonathan: I am a big proponent of fact checking. I try to do it every day on your blog.”
Cool! Can you do me a favor? Check whether Biden is showing signs of senile dementia for me? You know, like here are the symptoms, and here is how Biden meets, or does not meet them. I can help you some, with a list of symptoms from a neutral, non-partisan source! The NHS! I want to let you know how much I respect what you do, as a fact-checker, and I know that you will do a good, non-partisan job on this! Because, like Mammy Yokum once said, “Truth is better than lying, because it’s truer!”
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Requires a medical diagnosis
Memory loss and confusion are the main symptoms.
People may experience:
Cognitive: mental decline, difficulty thinking and understanding, confusion in the evening hours, delusion, disorientation, forgetfulness, making things up, mental confusion, difficulty concentrating, inability to create new memories, inability to do simple math, or inability to recognize common things
Behavioral: aggression, agitation, difficulty with self care, irritability, meaningless repetition of own words, personality changes, lack of restraint, or wandering and getting lost
Mood: anger, apathy, general discontent, loneliness, or mood swings
Psychological: depression, hallucination, or paranoia
Whole body: loss of appetite or restlessness
Also common: inability to combine muscle movements or jumbled speech
https://www.google.com/search?q=symptoms+of+senile+dementia&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1033US1033&oq=symptoms+of+senile&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIICAcQABgWGB4yCggIEAAYDxgWGB4yCggJEAAYDxgWGB7SAQk5ODk2ajBqMTWoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Requires a medical diagnosis
In person.
Not necessarily. I specifically asked DM to see if Biden “showed any signs” of senile dementia, not to diagnose the condition. Biden will never be diagnosed with that, until he has long been out of office. I predict he will resign, or not run as the nominee for ostensibly physical ailments – to cover up his mental condition. But, FWIW, Dr. Drew –
If that’s your measure, then DJT is showing at least as many signs of dementia (mixing up Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi, claiming that Biden may start WW2, claiming he beat Obama in the 2016 election, slurring his words, crowing that he passed the MOCA and it’s “very hard,” …), and Ronny Jackson wasn’t going to diagnose it either.
Dr. John Gartner:
Trump, he noted, appears to be spiraling into “phonemic paraphasias” during his rally speeches, which he described as, “the substitution of non-words for words that sound similar—are not normally seen until a patient enters the moderate to severe stages of Alzheimer’s.”
According to Gartner, “Some examples of Trump’s non-words: Beneficiaries becomes ‘benefishes.’ Renovations become ‘renoversh.’ Pivotal became ‘pivobal.’ Obama became ‘obamna.’ Missiles became ‘mishiz.’ Christmas became ‘Crissus.’ Bipartisan became ‘bipars.’ This is a fundamental breakdown in the ability to use language. If you were talking to your father on the phone and he did this you would think he is having a stroke. There is no healthy older person who speaks that way.”
He also noted Trump’s tendency to go off in odd directions while talking to audiences. Referring to the former president’s “tangential speech,” he elaborated, “He just becomes incomprehensible when he engages in free association word salad speech that is all over the place. Again, that’s a sign of real brain damage, not being old, not being slow, not losing a step not being, but of severe cognitive deterioration.”
Are you deaf, dumb, and blind? It seems that way. Trump can speak for hours without a teleprompter. He can ad lib on demand. A single Trump speech provides more context than Biden can provide in a month. I ask again, are you deaf, dumb, and blind?
I believe you have his diagnosis. The only confounding thing is that if you followed biden from the 80s on, he’s always been like this. It’s just worse now.
I’ve been meaning to post a link to “First I Look at the Purse”, but can’t figure out how to embed it here. Anyway, I remember the J. Geils version from my youth.
Is it this version?
Floyd: Sorry it took awhile to get back to you but I couldn’t remember where I left my laptop! How does “fairness” factor in? Am I required to respond to every nonsensical or personal attack that comes my way?
That said, what I see in Joe Biden is an 80 yr old who is President of the US–who gets up every morning, puts his clothes on and goes to work to try to help the American people. At his age that’s remarkable–it requires both mental and physical stamina. I retired at age 73 because I knew I no longer had the stamina for the practice of law.
Now without a clinical diagnosis it’s impossible to claim Biden suffers from “senile dementia”. Any claim to the contrary is pure speculation. And “memory loss” is only one data point. When SC Hur interviewed Biden he asked him about events and records going back 15 years that Biden couldn’t remember. That has been the focus ever since by the critics of Biden. Could you remember things like that going that far back? I couldn’t tell you what I was doing a week ago!
Now compare Biden’s statements and speeches with those of DJT. Did you see DJT’s meandering and incoherent speech at the CPAC meeting? There you saw many of the data points you pointed out in your comment–“mental confusion”, “delusion”, “making things up”, etc. But I don’t think DJT suffers from “senile dementia”. His problem is that he is a pathological liar. He has this cold and calculated belief that his MAGA followers will accept anything he says–whether it is true or not. If DJT suffers from anything it’s that he is a sociopathic narcissist–who says God put him on earth to slay the “evil doers”, all the “sick” people, i.e., the Dems, the judges and prosecutors who threaten him. Now that is the true sign of a narcissist who always thinks he is the “victim”!
Anything else you would like to discuss?
I do thank you for responding! I was not really looking for a diagnosis on either him, or Trump. And, frankly, I was not asking anything about Trump period. I asked about Biden, and I wish that you had just kept it to him. Do you have the time to do that? Just sort of fact check the various symptoms of senile dementia, (for example, agitation, confusion, making things up, disorientation, wandering, jumbled speech, etc.) and maybe just a yes or no as to whether Biden exhibits those symptoms. And leave Trump out of it, because you have written plenty on why you think Trump is a POS. If you have to, pretend that the DNC has asked you to do this, because they are trying to determine if enough observational evidence exists to demand, behind closed doors, that Biden get checked out by a neutral medical professional. And, that no Republican will ever see it.
The reason that I ask that, is to try to remove and rancor and hatred that you have about Trump, from your analysis. Because if you notice, you did not really say anything specific about Biden’s individual status – and launched into an anti-Trump rant. So, I am curious whether you can do an independent, non-partisan analysis of Biden, vis a vis, his possible senile dementia. As a former attorney, surely you would have practice doing this when looking at a client’s case and deciding your strategy – you know, seeing the case from the other side.
If you can do this, I promise you that I will not use it against you in the future, or throw it up to you. I know that you are a dedicated and loyal Democrat, and I know you despise Trump. But are you, or any other loyal Democrat here, capable of a non-partisan analysis of Biden’s mental and cognitive status?
Thank you!
Floyd
And you might consult with one or more experts to help you.
For example, this neuroscientist:
“There is forgetting and there is Forgetting. If you’re over the age of 40, you’ve most likely experienced the frustration of trying to grasp hold of that slippery word hovering on the tip of your tongue. Colloquially, this might be described as ‘forgetting,’ but most memory scientists would call this “retrieval failure,” meaning that the memory is there, but we just can’t pull it up when we need it. On the other hand, Forgetting (with a capital F) is when a memory is seemingly lost or gone altogether. Inattentively conflating the names of the leaders of two countries would fall in the first category, whereas being unable to remember that you had ever met the president of Egypt would fall into the latter. …”
The entire article is worth reading.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240222142412/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/neuroscientist-on-biden-age-memory.html
That was a good article, but I notice he pretty much restricted himself to the memory issues. Nearing 70, I can understand and appreciate the whole forgetting thing, or maybe just not being as sharp. (If I was as sharp as I once was, I would have thought of Fani Call before Darren Smith!)
And if all Biden did was mix up a name on occasion, then I would not be concerned. But it seems to me like there is a lot more than that. If Biden was my father, I would have already had him to a doctor. There is the weird little shuffly gait, the getting lost on stage, the making up stories where his son died, and the ASUFUTIMAEHAEHFUTBW thing. The weird agitated responses to questions. Talking to dead people. And what Hur said. And this, which is sad to watch:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1756551610308702692
Even people on the left are noticing it, like J H Kunstler, Jimmy Dore, Calvin Klein, and Charlie Kraiger. To me, just step back and take an honest look at Biden, and I don’t see how one can remain unconcerned.
And this, for more written detail:
https://gop.com/research/bidens-fitness-is-in-doubt-rsr/
Frankly, I hope they keep Biden as their nominee, but I don’t think they will. Not this far out from the election.
Didn’t you claim you read the entire report? If so you must have intentionally ignored the section where Hur specifically stated that Biden couldn’t even remember when he was VP or what year his son died
Aparently you are unfamiliar with Biden’s schedule. The reporting is that he does NOT get up early in the morning.
He is not at work until mid morning. and that he is frequently done slightly after noon. and almost always before 4pm.
And that is ignoring that he spends more time on vacation than not.
Further we do NOT know that he dresses himself or pretty much any of the things that normal people do to care for themselves.
All that said the core issue is not how many hours he works or how hard he works. Reagan – even in his first term was out of the WH on his ranch a great deal of time.
The question is whether he is competent.
While many of us use the physical symproms of decline we see to extrapolate mental competence – and they are often related.
Related is not the same as identical.
Steven Hawkings was far more unable to perform basic physical tasks than Biden – but he was incredibly mentally competent.
Biden conversely has a great deal of trouble focusing, he loses his train of though mid sentence.
ALL of us do this some time – Trump does it occasionally. But Biden does it constantly. It is increasingly rare to see a 3 minute speech or answer by Biden that does not go off the rails.
Right! It is not just an occasional thing with Biden. If you speak at all, publically, as a lawyer must do in court, you are going to stumble, and lose your train of thought from time to time. That is what that yellow legal pad is there for, beside you, so you can take notes and try not to forget to make points or respond to points. So, I think Biden would have a naturally sympathetic audience here, myself included. If people here are concerned, and Turley, and Hur – then it should be a good indication that Biden is over-achieving in that respect.
The MOCA is a standard test to determine mental competence. It is an accepted diagnostic criteria to determine competence in a variety of areas – including law.
While you can not “Ace” the MOCA as Trump claims, Trump has taken it regularly and passed – that means he is NOT experiencing even early signs of mental decline.
Conversely while Biden either has not taken the MOCA or is not disclosing the results.
You can look up the questions on the MOCA online and it does NOT require an advanced college degree to administer or interpret it.
Some of the questions can not be evaluated with respect to Biden – we have no means to know if he can draw a simple analog clock with the correct time.
At the same time we KNOW that he often can not read text from a teleprompter and remember it for the fraction of a second necescary to say it. And this is not a one time thing.
He frequently does not know where he is or who he is with. While that is a more complex task for a president that is consptantly being shuttled arround AGAIN it is not that he is occasionally confused, it is that he is nearly always confused.
He also increasingly reverts to memories of the past – further and further into the past, and he frequently gets these wrong – muddling them and mixing up past events.
This is pretty classic behavior for people with demensia.
Next – though the rate of progress is slow – suggesting alzheimers, Biden has shown evidence of a steady decline over more than a decade.
His competence was questionable in 2016, today it is obviously much worse than 2016.
Yes, it is possible for a lay person to use informationt hat is readily available and draw conclusions about Biden competence that are likely correct.
Dennis McIntyre tried a version of White House Spokes Liar Cringe Jean-Pierre’s line ‘He’s sharp as a tack and we have a hard time keeping up’:
what I see in Joe Biden is an 80 yr old who is President of the US–who gets up every morning, puts his clothes on and goes to work to try to help the American people.
Which Bribery Biden is it that Dennis McIntyre gets paid by to pimp here in defense of?
The one that has spent almost half of his time in office in seclusion from the public and media “on vacation” – rather than ‘working to help the American people’?
The one who regularly has to be led off the stage by the leaders of foreign nations or his wife?
The one who gets lost at the White House and attempts to shake hands with people who aren’t actually there?
The one that stops in mid-sentence, unable to read a teleprompter, and can’t finish the thought?
The one who repeatedly claims to have recently spoken with foreign leaders who have been dead for decades?
The one who continues to claim his corrupt State Attorney General son Beau was killed in action fighting in Iraq?
The one whose version of helping the American people is to throw the border wide open to both Illegal Aliens and fentanyl?
Or is Dennis McIntyre speaking of another Joe Biden, different than The Big Guy currently in the White House?
We have a new tantalizing possibility to consider when dealing with Dennis McIntyre’s serial lying:
If Dennis truly believes that The Big Guy is as sharp as a tack and mentally competent (rather than this being another one Dennis’s daily lies), then Dennis is just as mentally incompetent as Bribery Biden who he works for and defends.
The evidence in the 2-day indicates Willis always paid her own way.
What a retard.
Dennis please point out that evidence. Because I watched a large chunk of the testimony and that was it. No Evidence. Willis says she has no evidence to support her claim of repayment.
It is the duty of the payor to prove payment. This is both a matter of law and common sense.
If you borrow money from me and never repay it, and I go to court and you say “I paid in cash”.
How am I to prove you did not ?
That is why it is the duty of the person PAYING to prove they have made a payment.
The most common way to do so for a cash payment is with a receipt.
But there are other ways.
Willis providede NOT proof of payment.
I say I paid cash does NOT meet the legal standard for proof of payment.
As is typical you are barely scratching the surface.
NO this is not about when the relationship began. That is only an issue because it appears they Lied about it.
The relationship itself – is a basis for disqualification. Especially given that Wade is not qualified.
The financial entanglements with a paramour and subordinate – especially unclear ones are a basis for disqualification.
The numerous instances in which wade and willis lied under oath or in court filings are a basis for disqualification.
Next the standard of proof for this is very low in the instance of disqualification.
Though Willis is facing something like 7 other investigations right now – some of which are potentially criminal where the highest standard of proof – beyond a reasonable doubt must be met.
I suspect Willis and Wade will avoid going to jail – NARROWLY.
But they will be very busy dealing with investigations for probably the next 2 years.
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The existance of the relationship – REGARDLESS of when it started is a clear conflict of interest.
While you are free to chose whatever lover you wish. you are NOT free to have any lover you wish and any job you wish.
There is no right to be a DA.
The officers in the court in civil and criminal cases can not have romantic relations that constitute a conflict to doing their job.
SOME conflicts caused by romantic relationships can be waived by the parties involved. Though most romantic relationships involving separate parties are also ethical violations. These are cured by removing yourself from cases where your romantic relationship presents a conflict.
It is probable that the romantic relationship between Wade and Willis would not have been a large enough conflict for the Judge to remove wade and willis. Though the rule really should be absolute – no romantic relationships that can effect a case without signoff by the opposing parties.
The standard is also higher for Willis because she represents the state and public money is involved.
A romantic relationship between Wade and Willis at ANYTIME constitutes a conflict – Because Willis determines Wade’s pay and work and because her financial decisions regarding Wade involve PUBLIC MONEY.
If Two defense lawyers have a romantic relationship that may pose a conflict, but it is a conflict that the defendant can chose to waive.
it is the defendants money that is at risk as a result of the conflict – not public money.
People in government can not have romantic relationships with people whose pay they control.
That introduces the potential for public corruption.
It MIGHT be arguable that the conflict was not present if the relationship ENDED prior to Wade being hired.
But the conflict exists and is not fixable if the relationship existed at anytime while Wade was working for Willis.
The conflict MIGHT not be a matter for the defendant – though it might.
But it is absolutely a problem for the county and the state.
Willis can and should be removed from office for having a romantic relationship with someone she was paying with government money.
That is not just a Trump oprosecution problem it is a run of the mill public corruption problem. It is also why Wade and Willis are being investigated by atleast 5 different bodies in GA.
This is particularly an isue because romantic relations with attorneys etc were a campaign issue for Willis and she promised publicly she would NOT engage in that misconduct, and then she did.
The GA house, senate, poossibly AG, two investigations by the Fulton County counsel, and the US House are all related to public corruption – the misuse of public funds. Paying someone you are having a romantic relatioship with is ALONE sufficient for those investigations and probably removal.
Most of the other matters before Judge McFee have arrisen AFTER he agreed to hold hearings.
That alone should tell you that the relationship alone is enough to remove.
But during and since the hearing this has gotten WORSE. Willis and wade have been caught lying under oath and in government filings.
It does not matter what they lied about – only that they lied.
I would further note that the standard of proof for McFee is NOT “beyond a reasonable doubt” – it is the apearance of impropriety.
When I say Willis and Wade have lied under oath – I do not mean they have been proven to have lied beyond a reasonable doubt and will go to jail – though that could well be coming. I mean it is sufficiently likely they lied to create the appearance of impropriety. That is a very low standard and it has easily been met.
Conflict of interest and appearance of impropriety are independent ways Willis and Wade can be removed.
A public servant paying their paramour particularly as a prosecuting attorney meets BOTH.
Because Willis is paying Wade to prosecute Trump AND she is his paramour there is a conflict of interest and an appearance of impropriety.
Because Wade paid for perqs for Willis there is also a conflict of interests, the appearance of impropriety AND public corruption/kickbacks.
NO That was NOT disproven at the hearing. Both for ordinary people under the law, and especially for Willis in here position as a public servant the burden of proof for cash payments rests with the payor – and “I paid him in cash” is NOT sufficient to meet that standard.
I am a landlord. Periodically I evict tenants for failure to pay their rent.
It is common for them to claim “I paid him in cash” – when that occurs the magistrate asks for a receipt.
Without it he rules against the person claiming to have made cash payments.
While I do not buy Willis’s claims that she had large amounts of cash in here home and no records of where that cash came from – her testimony could easily result in tax evasion charges. Cash without records will be presumed by the IRS to be unreported income.
Even if I did beleive Willis – the burden of prof would be on her.
That burden would be even higher because she is a public servant and worse still one in a position to convey benefits.
I beleive that Black people hoard cash does NOT meet the standard of proof required for ANYONE to prove a cash payment,
It especially does not meet the standard for a public servant where absent proof of those payments they will be facing possible claims of bribery.
There is ZERO evidence she paid her own way. Saying you paid cash is not proof.
This is a removal hearing. The standard of proof is NOT the same as prosecuting Willis and Wade for criminal perjury.
The Cell records are admissible as is. The Cell location data is sufficient as is.
I would note that in My county it is also sufficient for a conviction for perjury.
Further all Cell data is NOT the same. What is normally used by the police in My community is based on Cell Tower single strength, That is accurate to to as little as 500ft optimally and a mile suboptimally – depending on the number of towers and the signal strength.
I have seen people convicted of burglary because their cell phone was +- 1/2 mile from a burglary when it was also +-1/2 mile from their home.
One of the problems we are having – both in ordinary criminal cases and in politically weaponized cases is that the standards of proof are NOT consistant.
The police can get a criminal conviction out of a jury with a judge allowing evidence that is +- 1/2 mile.
Yet TTV was unable to get courts to accept cell phone GeoFencing data that was +- 3ft.
It is my understand that the cell tracking on Willis and Wade is using GeoFencing and that accuracy is +-3ft. That uses the GPS in the phone – not Cell Tower Signal strength. It requires a smart phone and it requires that apps within the phone that use location data are up and running.
But for most people with smart phones that is the case.
DOJ used GeoFencing data to prosecute people for J6.
Regardless we need to quit politicizing evidence standards.
The Data on Willis and Wade is admissible in this hearing and it is sufficient to remove and to indict them for lying under oath.
For a conviction the data would have to be subpeona’d and a chain of custody established.
@John Say…
Yes signal strength plays into it.
And depending on the hardware you could pinpoint the location even further.
But that’s not really important here.
The fact that Wade gets a late night booty call. (What else do you call it)
He gets in his car and drives over to the general area of Willis who made the call…
Anyone can put two and two together.
The signal strength and in some cases direction can reduce the radius of the phone’s location to a much smaller range.
Again, YMMV based on number of towers and quality of service.
But I digress, this data was meant as a rebuttal to their testimony.
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It is my understanding that the evidence produced by Trumps attornies was through GeoFencing.
That is NOT trhe process of locating a cell phone using signal data or even meta data at a cell tower or a cell company.
Geofencing is done by supbpeonaing data or buying it from Apple or Google or other sources that agregate the location data – GPS data, that your phone keeps and that various apps on your phone then send to the cloud – not your cell carrier.
GeoFencing data is as accurate as GPS – that is +-3meters all of the time, and as accurate as a few centimeters for stationary phones over a long time, that see many satellites and do not move.
The big problem with GeoFencing data is that it is anonymized – deliberately.
But that can be hacked if you are only trying to track a few specific people and you can establish a number of certain fixed time/locations.
Or you can get a warrant.
Cell tower signal location data is sufficiently accurate for this court case – it is used in criminal cases all the time.
Lets say that Cell signal data is accurate to +-500ft.
Is there anyone who beleives that 35 times in 2021 Wade went to a place that was NOT willis’s condo, and stayed their overnight ?
Wade is Free to confess to having an affair with Willis’s next door neighbor. And if she confirms Trump’s lawyers will have to eat crow.
But do you really beleive Wade went to a location 500ft away from Fanni that was not Fanni 35 times and stayed overnight ?
Where are their cellphones? Have they been secured?
All,
There seems to be some confusion about ‘ping’ data and GPS.
Here’s a bit of a primer.
GPS:
Its really A-GPS (Assisted GPS) which will give you a more precision location.
GPS uses a series of satellites which are in known fixed locations in geosynchronous orbit around the globe.
Each satellite has a very precise and accurate atomic clock. They each transmit an encoded radio signal that the receiver in your phone picks up.
Based on the number of satellite signals, and the accuracy of the clock in your phone, the phone is able to triangulate its spatial coordinate.
The more satellite signals you can get, the more accurate the calculations will be.
Because of the number of satellites and the inaccuracy of the clock in your phone… your GPS location would be accurate to within 100 feet or so.
The more accurate the clock… the more precise your location. (There are other factors too.)
Now I said your phone uses A-GPS to pin point your accuracy. That’s because in addition to the GPS signals… when your phone is attached to a network. The phone gets a clock signal from the cell tower. And the cell tower’s X,Y,Z position is known within 1cm or so. Now you have a fairly accurate clock at a known location which could be further used to determine your location.
If you want… you can also use wi-fi SSIDs to also help… this is something Google did. But that’s another story.
So now if someone had you under surveillance, like the FBI, this data would be captured and used against you. They would need a warrant for this information since without it, it would be a 4th Amendment violation.
Ping data:
So as you use your cell phone, the phone connects to a radio (cellular) tower where it connects to send/receive data. As you move, your phone will send data to one or more cell towers and depending on the congestion, strength of signal, your phone will connect to the best available tower. That information is tracked and retained by the cell company because its necessary to provide you with service.
Here, there is no expectation of privacy.
What this data will do is to show that you are within the range of a specific tower at a given point in time.
Now the fun part.
Your GPS data is not stored or kept unless you are being tracked by a government agency. There is an expectation of a right to privacy. The ‘ping’ data is required to provide service. There is no expectation of privacy.
As to its accuracy, it depends. Since 5G is a higher speed of data service, the distance between towers is less. (I won’t get into the details… ) Essentially if you’re on a 5G network at true 5G speeds, the radius of your ping data is smaller.
Now there’s a bit more to this and how the data is used. But some of the arguments trying to defend Willis and Wade don’t hold up.
Since Turley is from Chicago… you have the Ohio Street entrace/exit to I-90/94 just on the north side of downtown (loop). Ohio St. (East/West traffic) and Orleans St. (North / South) have heavy traffic during rush hour.
Cell companies beefed up their systems because of complaints of dropped calls.
So in this area… it is very easy to show and track your route thru traffic.
If you go out to the boonies… the amount of network traffic is less, so the cell towers are spread out further. So your 5G network is really 4G.
Willis and Wade:
While the addresses are redacted… its clear that neither lived close to one another.
So using the telco’s data, we know when a call was made by Willis to Wade. We know which cell tower or wi-fi connection they were using when the call was made.
We then can follow the connection data aka ‘ping’ data of Wade’s phone as he traveled to meet Willis. While we don’t know Wade’s exact location…
What you do know is that he started at some point A, travelled to some point B where that point B happens to be within range of the same cell tower that Willis used to call Wade… or if she used her wi-fi network… you’ll still be able to see from her phone records that she lives within vicinity of that cell tower.
Now the point of this…
While Willis is arguing that the ‘ping’ data isn’t accurate… it doesn’t have to be…
Wade gets a ‘booty call’ from Willis and then travels to Willis’ vicinity.
Does Wade have another explanation?
Since they were forced to admit that they were in a relationship at some point later… apply Occam’s razor.
-G
IMG you are generally inaccurate about the accuracy and differences between GeoFencing and CellTower Data.
First GPS data can be incredibly accurate. The US GPS satellites use atomic clocks, and your location is calculated by using trigonometry to calculate your location relative to 3 or more satellites based on the time in the signal that you receive from each satellite which corresponds to the distance you are from that satellite. If we know the location of each satellite and the highly precise time of each message from each satelite we know the exact distance from that satellite and given three points you can be precisely located.
Highly accurate GPS is used by the military, by farmers, and by civil engineers, and its accuracy is centimeters, and in some cases millimeters.
The GPS in most consumer devices is accurate to +-3meters – that is for a SINGLE 3 satelite measurement.
The reason for the difference in accuracy is NOT due to the clocks. It is due to the fact that consumer GPS equipment is deliberately prohibited from being more accurate than that. HOWEVER for a stationary object, even consumer GPS devices can get accuracy of centimeters over a long enough time.
Additionally – though it has been turned off since Clinton was president Consumer GPS has a DELIBERATE error introduced in the signal that reduces the accuracy to +-20meters. The military can turn that error back on nearly instantly in the event of a war, so that our countries enemies can not use OUR GPS system to accurately target things in the US.
Though increasingly that error is moot. There are not 5 or 6 constellations of GPS satellites in orbit, They all work almost identically.
Modern GPS chips can use satellites from between 3-5 of those constellations. This means that the US could completely block GPS and most GPS devices would continue to work using one or more of the other constellations of satellites.
There is also a lot of technical issues that make different constellations more or less accurate than those of the US In specific regions.
Even relatively old Smart Phone GPS devices will use both the US and Russian GPS constellations.
That is some of the details of how GPS works. But GPS is only a part of GeoFencing.
GeoFencing is actually done by private companies. If you have a smart phone and it has apps that have geolocation turned on, that are running on your smart phone, these apps are using cellular data to report the GPS information back to Apple, Google, or the App provider.
Most every smart found is constantly sending out its location using GPS to “the cloud”. This data is then sold to other companies that want information about peoples locations – often to try to figure out how to do targeted advertising. This is how you can get an add or notice tht there is a starbucks special if you are near a starbucks. That Data is “anonimized” – the people who buy the data can not typically find out WHO is at a given location. But you can get actual IMEI information from Cell Data with a warrant.
TTV was unable to get the identity of the over 2000 ballot harvestors that it identified in the 2020 election because the Left – particularly the Bar associations threatened to disbar any attornies and DA’s who sought subpeona’s or warrants for anything election fraud related.
Regardless if you have purchased cloud geofencing data AND you can issue a subpeona you can identify a specific persons cell phone.
I suspect that the defense attornies in this case did NOT get a warrant. Because you can work out actual identities a different way if you are only seeking to identify a few specific people.
They can Buy geofence data for Willis’s home – that will give them a years worth of location data for every cellphone that went near willis’s home. But it will not identify the owner of specific phones. Next they can GeoFence Wades office and Wade’s home, as well as Willis;s office etc.
If they can know that Wade or Willis was in several specific places at specific times and they have the geofence data for those places and time, they can figure out the anonymized tag for Willis’s and Wade’s phone. This would NOT be good enough for a criminal conviction – but it is far more than sufficient to meet the evidence standard for this case. It is also far more than is necescary to get a warrant and therefoe the IMEI to absolutely identify Willis and Wades phones.
Cell tower tracking is completely different. Typically it works off of signal strength data and its accuracy is quite poor. That type of tracking can be done with ANY cell phone – whether it si a smart phone or not. It can be done even if the phone has no GPS.
It is in theory possible to do cellphone tracking much the same way that GPS works – but that Traking must be done by the Phone – not the Cell Tower. The accuracy would depend on how precisely the cell towers antenna positions can be determined and how accurate THEIR clocks were – and each Cell Tower would have to have its own Atomic clock. To my knowledge this is not done because while the technology is nearly identical to GPS, the complexity of tracking hundreds of thousands of cell tower locations each of which has to have an atomic clock, each device would have to be concurrently receiving data from atleast 3 cell towers. and you would have to have the equivalent of a GPS module except for Cell frequencies inside the Cell phone doing the calculations.
For reference I have actual expertise in this area. ONE of my jobs/businesses is as an embedded software developer. Several of my projects have used GPS modules to track things – like golf carts. But I have also been hired as a military contractor on 3 separate occasions to try to develope accurate geolocation information using Commercial Off the Shelf WiFi. The military is interested in this because they want to be able to precisely locate tiny robots – for a large number of different purposes – the simplest of which is as robot sentries, in low power long life applications without adding the additional power of a GPS radio. Without an atomic clock. modifying the firmware on existing Wifi devices you can locate a mesh of wifi devices relative to each other to +-10meters. This was NOT good enough for the military. The limit was that the highest frequency clock that is available to the firmware of a COTS wifi device is about 80mhz, and that determines the smallest unit of distance you can meaure using time. A custom designed Wifi Device which would not be difficult with a higher clock rate for the CPU on the wifi device could be more accurate. I would note however that this accuracy is RELATIVE accuracy – where GPS positions you absolutely. You can do something similar with Cell towers, You do not need an atomic clock to measure distance using time over distances of miles – rather than thousands of miles , you just need a moderately fast clock – and by clock I mean an accurate fast oscillator that you can measure the counts. You also need to modify the Cell Protocals to send an ACK in response to some or all received messages and the time between receipt of the message and the ACK has to be known with high precision. Either it must be standard for all devices or the receiving device must measure the time locally and sent the time between receipt and ACK in the ACK message. The Wifi work that I did only worked because we used exactly the same wifi devices for all units and the time between message receipt and ACK was stable accross all the same devices. But to my knowledge no cell service is doing this. There is no reason to – nearly all smart devices today have GPS.
@John Say…
Nope.
Trying to dumb it down…
Its been a while since I’ve looked at some of this… so take what I say with a grain of salt.
First, the location of your cell towers are known to within a couple of CMs.
Trimble units for surveying have gotten better over the years and don’t require as much time to get a good fix.
And the clocks in the unit are better. So it takes about 10-15 min on site for 1-2cm accuracy.
You don’t need to have an atomic clock at each tower. Although 15-20yrs ago, you could buy one for a data center at it would be between 5-7K (USD)
And used for network timing. I think today you can get a CS clock for around $2500 or so. (There are different types of ‘atomic’ clocks and they vary in terms of accuracy. )
In terms of accuracy in your cell phone. Its clock signal has too much jitter and isn’t accurate enough to give you a precise location.
They’ve gotten better, but still not good enough for really accurate positioning. Not to mention your map data.
Another issue is that the map itself is also not accurate. (Although Hi Res maps are now out… which are better. Depending on where you live in the world. Some areas are still 1.5M at best in terms of accuracy.)
Now you did say something funny.
In terms of networking, both the cell and the cell tower do the work.
Its not just signal, but also capacity of the tower.
So its not just signal strength, but other factors like capacity and your direction of travel and velocity…
But this is all moot.
The issue is that Wade had to travel to see Willis and the data from the Telco showed his rough path based on transitioning between towers.
So yes, I’ve done embedded systems. I’ve done telco and I’ve done mapping.
Now if you want to have fun… in terms of geo-location… you could look at Loran-C but doesn’t work well for ground traffic in the urban jungle. Much better at 50,000 feet. 😉
Don’t try to Dumb it down – It is impossible for me to distinguish in your comments between when you are refering to GPS and when you are refering to Cell tower location. They are different.
Addressing the PHYSICS a bit, there are four fundimental ways to use radio communications to local something.
The oldest is triangulation – You need multiple receivers and you need to measure the angle the signal arrives at.
Cell Towers do not provide very good directional information so Triangulation is not going to work well.
The next is a permutation of triangulation using signal strenght. Multiple towers report the signal strength and that establishes an approximate distance from the tower – but not a direction. But if you have enough towers you can get a reasonable good location.
The Above methods all go location using passive receivers.
GPS is the opposite a signal is SENT from multipel sources and the receiver uses the information from all the signals to determin location.
GPS is a one way system – but the opposite of triangulation. GPS requires highly accurate clocks at each sender because the means by which the distance from the transmitter is established is using the differences between the sending time and the receiving time.
The receiver does NOT have to have an atomic clock, but it does have to have several signals from different sources to calculate a highly accurate time to compare send and receive time.
All the above methods are one directional signals.
The last means of location using radio signals is measuring the round trip signal time.
That requires a very FAST oscilator/counter – it does NOT have to be an atomic clock and it can have a small error – your going to get an error of one wavelength at the oscilator frequency.
But you also need the latency of the signal at the end that is ACKing the signal to be very close to fixed
This can be highly accurate with fairly simple hardware. but it requires ACKing signals with a known latency.
I am aware that atomic clocks are cheap enough to be used in Cell towers.
As I noted it is POSSIBLE with precisely located cell towers and atomic clocks in Cell towers to do the equivalent of GPS using Cell towers instead of satelites. I am near certain no one is doing that. The shorter distances involved would require even more precise atomic clocks than we have in GPS satelites. Further that would allow your Cell phone to determine its location. That would NOT allow the cell tower to locate you.
signal strength and/or angular triangulation are done by the Cell provider, but they can not acheive even the accuracy of GPS.
The last method that I mentioned – requires measuring the round trip time of a signal. That requires a high frequency counter – 80Mhz gives you an accuracy of about 12.5meters if I recall correctly. It does NOT require that counter to be anywhere near the accuracy of atomic clocks and it is used to measure Delta Time directly at ONE end. What it does require is that the latency betweenj sending a packet and ACKing it is fixed and well known. It is highly unlikely that the latency between a transmit and an ACK is anywhere near the same accross multiple cell phones.
Gumby: thank you. veddy veddy much. Now my skull is in Due North proximity to my brain again.
You can triangulate positions using 3 cell towers, too. Also WiFi hotspots, and signal strength.
https://blues.com/blog/use-cell-tower-and-wi-fi-triangulation-to-achieve-pin-point-locations-without-gps/
Yup, but none of that will be captured by the Telco.
I was hired indirectly by DoD (3 times) to modify Wifi device firmware to do wifi triangulation. You can get +-12.5 meters if you modify the Wifi device firmware to measure round trip time. Wifi messages are automatically ACKed. But to get 12.5M of accuracy – you need exactly the same hardware in all devices and you need a Wifi device with an 80Mhz clock for the embedded processor in the Wifi device.
DoD really badly wants to be able to use Wifi meshes to have each device calculate its location relative to the others.
The answer is that to any reasonable degree of accuracy it can not be done with existing Wifi devices.
The modifications necescarty to get very accurate locations are not diffcult or costly, but they are not part of existing Wifi hardware/firmware.
Signal strength information has far too many variables to do accurate WiFi location triangulation.
Cell tower triangulation has all the same issues.
To clarify – GPS does not use a local clock in the device – i.e. Smart phone. It relies entirely on the exact known position of the satellites and the differences in the atomic clock time that is in the broadcast messages from the satellites.
GPS is a One way broadcast system where position is calculate at the receiver. You do not need accurate local time for that. But you need incredibly precise time and perfect sync at all transmitters, and the broadcast messages must have the precise atomic time that they were broadcast.
You do not need accurate time if you have a TWO way signal, but you do need a fast clock (oscillator that you can count) that is reasonably accurate – though many orders of magnitude less than an atomic clock. Nor do you need accurate Time at either the Cell tower or the Phone, but you do need very accurate locations for the antenna on the cell tower, and you must be able to measure TWO WAY transmission time and that time must NOT have any consequential random delays. Any one way system without synchronized atomic clocks is going to be highly inaccurate.
Even the detailed explanations I have provided are still over simplifications. You can deal with random delays in a two ways system IF you have enough two way data. But there is no way arround a fast countable oscilator for accurate distance measurement in a two way system.
Two way (round trip) systems can be straight forward and simple. But they have requirements that must be met on both ends.
A device – smart phone can locate itself very accurately – better than GPS, if there is a way for the device to get the precise location of multiple towers and to accurately measure the round time for a message too and from each tower. But a cell tower can only measure the distance to the smart device accurately and the angle relatively inaccurately.
Too my knowledge cellular systems do not use two way distance measurement. They use signal strength.
Uhm John…
“To clarify – GPS does not use a local clock in the device – i.e. Smart phone. It relies entirely on the exact known position of the satellites and the differences in the atomic clock time that is in the broadcast messages from the satellites. ”
Uhm ok…
So you get a clock signal from a satellite.
How do you calculate the distance between you and the sat without knowing your time?
I mean you know the speed of light c which is the speed of the radio signal.
You know its relative time of when it left the satellite but now how do you calculate the distance?
So what were you saying about not using a local clock to figure out your position?
-G
@John Say,
If you didn’t figure out in my last message.
You do use the local clock to calculate your distance from the Satellite and you do this from each satellite that you can connect with.
This is how you triangulate. So when you want to say I’m full of it… I suggest you actually make sure you know what you’re talking about.
Now look at A-GPS. You’re also getting the signal from the local cell tower.
Again, you get their time signal and compare it to your clock. Of course you’re going to use it to also sync your clock periodically to keep in sync w the network. Again this is because the clocks are not that accurate.
There’s another technology… Loran-C which is terrestrial radio signals to help triangulate your location. (Shipping and aircraft)
The clock in your cell phone will vary by manufacturer. You have to also consider the jitter in your clock’s signal.
(Note: We face similar issues w computer clocks and the need for syncing time in clusters.)
Now all of this is just noise when it comes to the Willis / Wade case.
The Telcos do not track or keep your GPS data. So Trump’s lawyers don’t have access to it.
There is a limitation on what meta data that the telcos keep and have rights to.
Turley could probably do a refesher on some of the SCOTUS decisions that dealt with what metadata the phone companies use and the lack of privacy. This then goes to some of the classified programs that were outed. One dealt w the call logs that the government got from all of the telcos.
Using some basic data science to cluster the data, there are some interesting thigs that could be done.
Sorry to geek out, but yes, this is one of those areas where I have a bit more expertise than most.
Note that I didn’t talk about the military systems that use GPS… they have better clocks and a different sat signal which is more accurate.
I am not looking to insult you – it is obvious from your remarks you know a great deal about what you are talking about.
It is certain that you know more about Loran as an example than I do – not that I am ignorant or Loran – or other navigation/location systems. But there are not very many people in the world who know more about Wifi mesh location systems. And my knowledge of GPS – while maybe not to the same world class level is still expert – though I am more familiar with the consumer systems – what is used in computers and cell phones, than with the intracacies of the extremelyu high precisions systems used in farming, civil enginering and the military – EXCEPT that the consumer systems use exactly the same satellite data stream they just are less rigorous in the hardware they use to get their results. They still use the same data, and they do the same calculations and algorithms. – with less accuracy and precision.
None of what we are debating is relevant to the Willis case.
As I noted in another post – the crapiest cell location system with a +-500ft error would be more than sufficient to prove Wade lied under oath – Absent wade finding a neighbor of Fanni’s to testify that they – not Fanni was being visited regularly.
Wade did not make 35 trips to someplace within 500ft of Willis to sit on a park bench at 2am and gaze at the stars.
He either visited willis or someone within 500ft of willis. If he can not produce another person to testify he visted them not wilis – the beyond a reasonable doubt standard is met – he was seeing Willis.
But returning specifically to GPS – First – completely let go of the notion of Cell. Cell and GPS have nothing to do with each other.
While the most common GPS device today is a cell phone, the GPS system was developed entirely independent of the Cell system and makes no use of the Cell system or any other communications network other than one way communications from GPS satelites
Why does that matter ? Because that means there is NO LOCAL TIME from any source other than GPS satellites for a GPS device.
A GPS device calculates the local time from the atomic clock times in the ONE WAY transmissions from the satellites (the Chinese have a GPS system now that is very similar to that of the US, Russia, the EU, and Japan that has very limited bidirectional capability)
Again to be clear – I am talking about ordinary cheap commercial GPS – what is in your cell or many embedded systems I have designed over the years. I am not talking about military systems or those used by Farmers or civil engineering.
Typical GPS devices do not use a local time source THE ARE a highly accurate local time source. The time that a GPS device calculates from the satellites is substantially more accurate that you are getting from a cell tower. It MUST approach the accuracy of an atomic clock or GPS could not work. If you want an idea of the math behind doing this – Udel has done lots of work over decades on syncing atomic clocks to each other and on synchronizing highly (or not so) computer clocks to atomic clocks – and not only does your GPS device have to accurately sync time from GPS satelites, the satellites themselves must be constantly in perfect time sync with each other. The GPS system istelf is part of the global network of synchronized atomic clocks.
The Timebase for GPS IS the atomic clocks in the satellites NOT some local time source.
That should be clear because GPS was not designed to require a connection to a cell or any other network, and the now $2 GPS modules you can buy on ebay or ali or Amazon do NOT have atomic clocks on board, do NOT have network connections.
I would further note the vast majority of embedded GPS devices communicate ONE WAY only. You can not tell the module what the current time is, because you either can not talk to it at all, or there are very few things you can say to the device.
The torrid Wade-Willis affair and their massive trove of late night texts is a throwback to the illicit relationship between the anti-Trump activists Peter “you can smell them at Wal Mart” Strzok and Lisa “we need an insurance policy” Page during the debunked Crossfire Hurricane investigation.
What is it about these anti-Trumpers that causes their blood to leave their brains and rush “down there?” Is taking down Trump really better than sex?
Do pray tell.
@Killer
Trump didn’t have access to the texts. And I seriously doubt that short of a warrant they wouldn’t be released. Nor would any judge give anyone a warrant unless there was something criminal.
I suspect that if they wanted to pursue criminal charges this may come back to bite them.
I believe that the judge will toss them from the case.
Beyond that… he may cut her some slack. If she doesn’t get criminally charged… she should consider herself lucky.
You do not need a warrant. A simple subpeona is sufficient, and the Attorney’s in the Trump case have the power to subpeona cell records.
Hey, Turley… what kind of crimes did Trump’s ancestors commit? I know his father was convicted of many crimes, including taking part in a KKK riot.
How about your ancestors? You got a clean record going back three of four generations?
Not true. Fred Trump was included in a “dragnet” operation regarding KKK, but was then dismissed. get your facts straight.
Scott’s ancestors were founding members of the Bund, but after they went underground they joined various Wroker front movements. Scott himself is a noted member of NAMBLA and has been a celebrated member of a drag troop.. This may explain his child porn convictions and incitements for child molesting. Scott is also a noted Antifa member and was last seen attempting to fire bomb a police station in Portland. Prior to that he delivered piles of bricks at sites of Abtifa demonstrations, for “peaceful uses.” Scott’s ancestors were also active in the Russian Revolution where they threw bombs down mine shafts where wounded members of the royal family were lying wounded. They then supervised the mass starvation camps in the Ukraine before graduating to the administration of gulag camps.
Biden inow receives gifts from the politburo headed by members of Scott’s family in exchange for military and industtrial secrets as well as allowing human trafficking and free entry of drugs.
Scott is a proud member of the CCP.
Who is this Scott? Sorry to be dumb.
Only left wing nuts try to argue that the sins of the father must be paid for by the sons.
Do we have to re-adjudicate all past injustice back to Cain and Abel ?
Glad to know that that’s your response to Turley’s column about Biden’s great-great-grandfather.
My response is to YOUR comment on Turley’s column abotu Willis and Wades cell phone records.
You weren’t responding to me. You were responding to Scott Supak. Once again you show your inattentiveness to relevant details.
Cain and Abel were both semites and antisemites because Cain was a Palestinian who hated Jews and Abel was a self-hating Jew.
There has been limited reporting that the judge hearing the overall case and disqualification hearing contributed to the Willis campaign. J T, if this is true, shouldn’t he have recused himself?
Should and must are not the same. He SHOULD have recused himself. But MUST is determined by GA court rules.
We KNOW in NY that Engron’s clerk was REQUIRED to recuse herself but did not.
When a person who SHOULD or MUST recuse does not, then it is up to the court s and the bar to compell them to.
McFee can resolve the conflict by removing Willis and Wade.
Which frankly seems certain now.
But even if he does not – this case is now DOA. Willis and Wase are going to be tied up in multiple investigations for probably 2 years.
Now that we know the Fulton County legal system is corrupt, they still want us to believe that the 2020 Election Vote count was on the up and up and not rigged.
“… In a new filing in the court, counsel for defendants in the 2020 election case have submitted telephone records indicating that Willis and Wade exchanged over 2,000 phone calls in the first 11 months of 2021. …”
DO you think that They were discussing how to get the phony mail-in ballots for Biden distributed?
“.. Investigator Charles Mittelstadt submitted an affidavit discussing over 2,000 voice calls and just under 12,000 text messages from the 11-month period of January to November 2021. …”
That’s an awful inordinate amount of communications for a Couple, not yet working on a Case.
It also seem odd that Wade was put on the Payroll after the Election in 2021. It is like as though He was “Hired” to be paid for successfully deploying “phony mail-in ballots for Biden”. Reasoning that the Case didn’t start until August 14, 2023. Lots of reasons to doubt Fani Willis for this prosecution (reasonable doubt).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election_from_Georgia#The_State_of_Georgia_v._Donald_J._Trump,_et_al.