The wealth tax is back. We have previously discussed the constitutional and policy concerns surrounding the push by Democrats like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.) to introduce a wealth tax that would start with billionaires. It would not likely end there. The law would also apply the same type of California approach to wealthy families fleeing the tax grab with a huge “exit tax” so that there is no escaping from tax vortex. In addition, under the Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act, Warren and others would add $100 billion to increase tax audit and investigations.
The captivity tax highlights the wealth-redistribution mindset underlying Warren’s “experiment.” Warren thrilled audiences for years by telling the rich she was coming after “your Rembrandts, your stock portfolio, your diamonds and your yachts.” In one Democratic debate, she got applause by rubbing her hands together after stating that she would take some of the wealth of fellow candidate John Delaney, a self-made millionaire worth $65 million. She has now made good on that threat.
The reintroduction of Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act would add a 2% tax on households worth $50 million to $1 billion and a 3% tax on households worth more than $1 billion.
Warren is again repeating that talking point of President Joe Biden that billionaires pay less than the average citizen in taxes. That has been repeatedly challenged. The claim is based on dubious accounting. A commonly cited White House study from September, 2021 included unrealized capital gains in its analysis – something that neither wealthy nor middle class citizens are taxed on. Warren and Biden want that to change but it is a false measure on the current tax burden.
It is also worth noting that “the top 1 percent’s income share rose from 22.2 percent in 2020 to 26.3 percent in 2021 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 42.3 percent to 45.8 percent.” The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent federal income taxes,. The bottom 50 percent paid the only 2.3 percent.
We previously discussed the push in California to impose a retroactive tax on the many citizens and companies fleeing that state due to its high taxes and other problems. Warren wants to do the same nationally. So if businesses are fleeing the country due to these policies, they would have to essentially pay for the freedom in a type of captivity tax. It is incredibly short-sighted. We need these businesses and we will not be able to coerce them into saying by trying to make it more expensive to leave. Indeed, the captivity tax only magnifies the impression of a tax system that is becoming an extension of the eat-the-rich rhetoric used by Warren and others.
Politicians have long turned to the “Eat the rich!” battle cry when things are not working out politically or economically. When struggling in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) pledged a wealth tax, declaring that she was coming after “the diamonds, the yachts, and the Rembrandts too.” Then-New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio, another Democratic contender at the time, was barely registering in the polls when he promised that “we will tax the hell out of the wealthy.”
The Warren proposal would turn the eat-you-rich rhetoric to an all-you-can eat tax plan for the government.
There are major constitutional concerns raised by the plan to tax unrealized capital gains. However, this is clearly playing well with much of the base of the party.
The Wharton Budget Model at the University of Pennsylvania did find that Warren’s legislation would raise $2.7 trillion in revenue but it would also reduce capital by 3.1%, depress average hourly wages by 1.2% and reduce gross domestic product (GDP) by 1.2% in 2050.
SBF’s father is Warren’s policy advisor.
Jonathan: Elizabeth Warren’s wealth tax proposals have been around since 2019. It was an essential part of her platform when she ran for president in 2020. So why your attacks in her proposals now? Couldn’t be she is running for re-election this year? Her opponent in the Mass. Senate race is a little known attorney by the name of John Deaton who is a big advocate of crypto currency. After the criminal conviction of FTX founder Sam Bankman-Friedman it doesn’t appear crypto has much “currency” these days. I expect Warren will win handily in November.
That said, you claim Warren’s proposals are an attempt to “eat the rich”–driven by a “wealth-distribution mindset”. Nope. Warren wants to tax only about the 75,000 wealthiest families–only the top 0.1%. Hardly a “wealth-distribution” scheme. It’s simple a tax–like the taxes we all pay–the personal property tax we pay every year on our cars or the real estate taxes on our residence(s). Despite your false claims Warren doesn’t want to confiscate the Rembrandts, the stock portfolios, the diamonds or the yachts of the super wealthy. They can keep all that. It’s simply a tax on their accumulated wealth.
For a long time the ultra-rich have avoided taxes by moving their wealth to the Cayman Islands and other tax havens. Something most of us can’t do. Warren would stop that tax “avoidance” scheme. Why shouldn’t the super-rich pay tax on money earned in the US?
As to California’s proposed tax on the super wealthy it doesn’t appear that is going anywhere. Believe it or not but Gov. Newsom has opposed the proposal and it failed in the state’s Assembly in January. But Warren’s proposal would make the CA tax unnecessary. The wealthy could not simply flee CA to avoid the tax.
And there are at least two people in California who don’t seem overly concerned about paying a little more in taxes. It’s Rupert Murdock and his son, Lachlan, who now runs Fox. Rupert lives in a huge mansion with a vineyard in Bel Air. Lachlan lives nearby dad in another expensive mansion. Will they flee back to Australian because of they don’t like the tax proposals in Sacramento or those of Elizabeth Warren? I doubt it. Rupert and Lachlan love the California life style–the sunny weather, the beaches, etc. They won’t give all that up simply because they have to pay a few cents more per dollar in taxes. That’s my reality check for today!
only about the 75,000 wealthiest families
Families dont pay taxes. Individual pay taxes. An actual attourney would never use such stupid phrasing
The original Federal Income Tax only taxed about 3% of all Americans – just sayin’
“The Revenue Act of 1913 lowered average tariff rates from 40 percent to 26 percent. It also established a one percent tax on income above $3,000 per year; the tax affected approximately three percent of the population. A separate provision established a corporate tax of one percent, superseding a previous tax that had only applied to corporations with net incomes greater than $5,000 per year. Though a Republican-controlled Congress would later raise tariff rates, the Revenue Act of 1913 marked an important shift in federal revenue policy, as government revenue would increasingly rely on income taxes rather than tariff duties.”
45% of Americans pay no federal income tax.
– MarketWatch
No. Everybody pays the tax, they just may not see it. I do not have a car. Do you think I am not affected when the price of gas goes up? I do not shoplift, but do you think that I do not pay a higher price for stuff because other people do shoplift? Costs get baked into the system. We just don’t always see them. That is one reason why it costs so much to live in the U S. We have far too many baked in costs.
So you don’t mind if I don’t pay income/cap gains taxes? Just the taxes the 45% pays?
Dennis McIntyre, Marxist theologian and Soviet Democrat police state fascist tried the ol’ “The rich don’t pay their fair share” Commie war cry:
For a long time the ultra-rich have avoided taxes by moving their wealth to the Cayman Islands and other tax havens.
And that’s Dennis’s latest ‘Please don’t believe your lying eyes’ – in defense of this repeated Commie lie he has posted yet again. Dennis desperately hopes normal Americans will never go to the Treasury Department website to see what demographics pay what percentage of the personal taxes collected. Because, if they do, they’ll quickly see that Dennis is lying his ass off again about the ultra-rich not paying taxes. Lyin’ Like A Proud Biden
Depending on which of the most recent tax years you choose to look at on the Treasury website, you’ll see numbers very close to this:
The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (40.1 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (28.6 percent).
Now how are those “ultra-rich” that Dennis turns his envy, hatred, greed and lies on end up paying 40% of all income taxes collected when they’re supposedly hiding their wealth in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens as Dennis lied they do? Didn’t hide it very well, obviously. Certainly not as well as Bribery Biden And The Cashier.
And there are at least two people in California who don’t seem overly concerned about paying a little more in taxes. It’s Rupert Murdock and his son, Lachlan, who now runs Fox.
Fox…. say Dennis/Baghdad Bob: did CNN tell you NOT to mention that Bribery Biden and The Family Cashier Formerly Known As The Crackhead Kid aren’t worried in the slightest at NEVER paying the taxes they owe? Either in the past or in the future?
Soviet Democrats and Biden’s Baghdad Bob… if they weren’t lying, they wouldn’t have anything to post.
Barrack Barry Sotero Hussein Obama increased National debt more than any preceding President in history. Do you think that China has forgotten the death inflicted upon their country from Korea and Vietnam wars? America killed hundreds of thousands if not a million of them. Do you think they’re our pals now? They own Biden and most of DC, time to get back to America for Americans.
Anonymous:
What percentage of taxes does the top 1% pay, what percentage of America pay 0 taxes yet receive tax refunds? What percentage does the top 10% earners, $100k plus pay? Let me know…
Hmmmm, been a bit but if I remember correctly the top 1% pays 90% of taxes. 42% pay no taxes and get refunds. The 10% remaining taxes collected are paid by the remaining 9% earners. The top 1% are the people that own and run companies that provide jobs for the working population, a tax funded paycheck does NOT generate positive tax revenue as it costs a $1.50 to get a $1.00. Wealth tax kills the goose, instead of killing the cancer. I believe something like 52% of workers and government funded contractors are now employed by some form of government. You figure it out yourself.
We Never Felt The Trump Tax Cuts
Because We Never Paid For Them!
Yes, President Trump passed a massive tax cut for large corporations and the wealthiest Americans. Voters may rightly cheer the boost to their pocketbook. But what really helped everyone else was that Trump was unable to achieve the draconian budget cuts and other policies he and his team so desperately desired.
Trump’s budget was a work of pure cruelty. In addition to gutting health care, Trump would have cut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (i.e, food stamps) by $193 million; cut funding for a variety of student loan programs by $143 million; slashed retirement programs for federal employees by $150 million; and eliminated safety net programs such as the low-income housing energy assistance program, community development block grants and school lunches.
Cuts too were slated for scientific research, for job centers aimed at helping young folks get their start and even for the shutting of 49 national historic sites. All this in addition to slashing by 10 percent the budgets for the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Health and Human Services, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State and Transportation.
Fortunately, GOP majorities in the House couldn’t agree on how to make these budget cuts happen. Some thought the cuts went too far and others wanted to go further still. So in order to pass budgets at all, Trump had to rely on sizable Democratic support on Capitol Hill. Meaning that Trump was forced to funnel more money into Democratic priorities, including increases to the safety net and record boosts to health care research.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4545202-nostalgic-for-the-trump-years-thats-because-his-draconian-budget-cuts-never-passed/
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Our ballooning national debt represents budget cuts that weren’t made to fund Trump’s billionaire-friendly tax cut.
George W. Bush, however, contributed his share of the debt by cutting taxes ‘before’ invading Iraq. In this regard, W became the first American president to cut taxes in the run-up to a war.
When voters remember how great Trump’s economy was, they don’t realize how severe it might have been had they been forced to PAY for Trump’s tax cuts.
“In this regard, W became the first American president to cut taxes in the run-up to a war.” This phrase is fairly meaningless because no one can know what “run up to a war” means. Kennedy passed tax cuts in 1962 – which you would probably call “millionaire friendly” [billionaires did not exist then]. And his administration was t that time in the process of involving us more deeply in the Vietnam conflict. So, why is this not a “run-up”. But even more vague is the term “war” itself. We have been involved in international conflict of some kind almost continuously since 1939. But there has not been an official declaration of war since 1941.
Floyd, you used Edward’s handle for this ‘Anonymous’ post.
The Vietnam War didn’t start until the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August of 1965, two years after Kennedy’s death. In fact, there’s no proof Kennedy even intended to pursue Vietnam.
But George W cut capital gains taxes only a few weeks before the invasion of Iraq. When journalists asked W if it was smart to cut taxes when Iraq looked imminent, W replied that we ‘didn’t want soldiers returning to a weak economy’.
W’s status as the first president to cut taxes before war, was widely noted at the time. Though I’m Fox News overlooked it. Which may explain your ignorance.
Huh??? I thought I was Estovir??? I am not as smart as Edward Mahl. He knows a lot of history, and I have to look stuff up after I read his comments. I am just a feeble, old coot, and I hardly have enough sense to come in out of the rain. No, anonymous, I am just me, and I would not pay me any mind. Others don’t. I am eat up with pervigilium. Evil houses leaning all together, pointed a ribald finger at me in the darkness, whispering all together, chuckled at me in the darkness. You should chuckle, too.
Floyd – I’m a feeble, old coot too. But the trolls of the world still stir me up.
They are a zany little bunch, aren’t they. They remind me of the “little people” in that Danny Kaye movie, the Court Jester. I could not find their fight scene, but I found this!
Floyd…….Funny clip! Comedy is a great teacher.
BugAnon – the Vietnam War began long before 1965. We had advisors there as early as the Eisenhower administration. It was Kennedy who made the crucial step in getting us involved in the conduct of the war by green-lighting the overthrowing of the legitimate government of South Vietnam. In fact, the President of S. Vietnam was assassinated by military officers. After that, we were responsible for what happened next.
Here you show how logic by which the welfare state leads to a country’s ruin. People are habituated to becoming dependent on the government’s handouts, the scope of dependency increases with time, the economy declines because of the tax burden and the number of people who no longer contribute to GDP – and when the recognition finally dawns that spending must be curbed and economic growth increased, people say: “No, you can’t. A large part of our population is now longer able or willing to work. This is cruel.”
Another cowardly Anonymous Soviet Democrat cut and pasted this piece of economic stupidity confirming why they’re properly called Marxist Useful Idiots:
We Never Felt The Trump Tax Cuts. Because We Never Paid For Them! Yes, President Trump passed a massive tax cut for large corporations and the wealthiest Americans.
1. What does “because we never paid for being allowed to keep more of our money” mean to Marxist Useful Idiots?
2. The greatest tax cuts went to those who WEREN’T the wealthy. And of course, the 50% of Americans who were already paying ZERO income tax got cheated out of a tax cut – Marxists haven’t figured out how to decrease zero income taxes paid. Why not mention that, you feckless Soviet Democrat Anonymous coward?
3. Immediately after those tax cuts, in each successive year the federal government collected MORE income taxes than before those tax cuts. Just the same as with every previous tax cut under any president in living memory, Democrat or Republican, all the way back to JFK’s tax cuts.
So to simplify it for Soviet Democrat Marxist Useful Idiots: when the federal government collects MORE revenue after those across the board tax cuts you claim were only for the wealthy – why isn’t that taxpayers paying for those tax cuts?
This is the mind of the Soviet Democrats communist theologians on display, complete with the lies they wrap their religious beliefs and sermons in. It’s nothing other than another version of BBBUUUUTTTTT…. MUH TRUMP!!!!!!!
Government is a cancer, unlike normal cancer feeding on sugar, government cancer feeds on your tax dollars. The more it can get the larger it grows, the more it consumes. What was the last thing government did for you? Gave you back some of the money it took from you or gave you someone else’s money the took from your neighbor? Did they enforce the multitude of laws to thwart illegal entry to protect your job? Did they enforce local laws to protect your property and citizens? I would bet the only thing they did was increase your property taxes so the meter reader could have a better retirement than the one you got working on the private side. They go in paupers and all come out with millions and pensions unlike any worker can get. Let’s eat them.
“WHAT THE —- DID YOU IRRESOLUTE, DASTARDLY, BLEEDING-HEART MILQUETOASTS DO WITH OUR COUNTRY?”,
George Washington, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, George Mason, John Adams, Richard Henry Lee, John Hancock, Roger Sherman, Samuel Adams et al.
Professor Turley,
Your reference to “100 Billion” for tax audits is inaccurate.
Here is the link to the actual proposed bill: https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/MCG24132.pdf
The final provision, Sec. 7813 authorizes $100B in total OVER 10 YEARS for the IRS. This includes $70B for enforcement, $10B for taxpayer services, and $20B for business system modernization. For context, the annual IRS budget is currently $14.3B. In no way is $100B “to increase tax audit and investigations.”
Your two egregious errors:
1. You failed to noted the 10 year time period.
2. The bill would only add $7B per year for this function. Taxpayer services and business system modernization are not audit investigation expenses.
I am no fan of Elizabeth Warren or the wealth tax. But, I detest misleading reporting even more. Just look at how your misleading article has confused so many of your readers into thinking $100B would be spent annually on enforcement. Do better.
The bill would only add $7B per year for this function.
That’s a 50% increase. That’s huge, on top of last years budget increase.
Simplification of the tax code would keep a lot of money in the hands of the people. When they spend money little is wasted
I don’t disagree with any of that.
However, $7B is a lot smaller than $100B, which is what most readers were led to believe based on the headline and article.
Like I said above, I don’t approve of this legislation. But I don’t think it is right to misrepresent the numbers even if I agree with argument.
However, $7B is a lot smaller than $100B, which is what most readers were led to believe based on the headline and article.
Turley cut and pasted from the press release of Warrens office. Its her phraseology.
https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/warren-jayapal-boyle-reintroduce-ultra-millionaire-tax-on-fortunes-over-50-million
This is false. This 2024 press release does not mention $100B at all. Rather than include the link to the reintroduced bill (which has been revised), he linked to the 2021 press release. Which press release is more appropriate?
Judge McAfee has certified Trump’s appeal of his refusal to remove Willis.
That means Trump’s interlocutory appeal is moving forward.
The GA Case is effectively Dead.
While technically Cannon ruled against Trump’s claim that the espionage act was unconstitutionally vague – particularly as applied to a president or ex-president. He ruling gave Trump leave to raise the same claim later – after some contested facts are resolved and after some legal terms in dispute have been clarified. That essentially means that Trump can refile the appeal after the jury is impaneled, and if Cannon rules for Trump then – the case is dead, and Smith can not appeal, because after a jury is impaneled double jeopardy applies.
She has also provided Smith a bizzare choice – I agree with the left on that sort of,
Between sharing classified documents with the jury or having the jury instructed something to the effect that expresidents can posess classified documents.
I dis agree with her decision – because BOTH are questions of law not of fact.
The correct decison – was the Jury must see the evidence – or you can not use it.
And presidents and expresidents can posess classified documents and therefore the case must be dismissed now.
But Cannon has given Smith the oportunity to appeal – of course that would mean the Case can not be tried until after the election.
Frankly the case is not be tried EVER. It will be dismissed at some point.
And the left thinks the delay in the Bragg case is no big deal.
It is a very big deal. The evidence that triggered the delay was the failure of Braggs office and the SDNY to comply with subpeonas for exculpatory evidence. Trump has just received 100,000 pages of documents from SDNY and Braggs office covering 4 prior instances in which they chose to REJECT prosecuting this case.
Bragg and SDNY have just provided Trump with the foundations for a pretrial appeal – IN THEIR OWN WORDS.
Expect appeals from trump’s lawyers shortly – and expect the Bragg case to die.
@kylenabecker
“RICO charges should be brought against the entire Democratic Party. This is not hyperbole and I am not joking.
Democrats are the most effective and powerful mafia in world history. They have looted taxpayers for trillions, money laundering at every level of government for kickbacks and personal gain. We have dozens upon dozens of instant millionaires in Congress (both parties, to be fair). They have violated their oaths of office, abused power against those who opposed them, trampled the rights of American citizens, signed off on an invasion of our country through the southern border, and conspired with foreign powers like China against our security interests. And their Uniparty co-conspirators should be charged as well.”
“We need to bring back public tribunals. The 18th century French citizenry had the right idea. But I will settle for a Constitutional convention of the states with term limits and national referenda to remove corrupt politicians from office. And an amendment that all elections must be conducted with voter IDs, paper ballots, and held on one day (barring excuse for disability or military service).
Also, I want Washington D.C. dissolved, along with federal agencies like the FBI and CIA. Intelligence can be conducted by the military for express purpose of surveilling and defeating enemies. They would have zero jurisdiction to have anything to do with the American people and their civil society. Government can be conducted via zoom call with public surveillance.”
This is an excellent start….
Let’s add: FBI agents haul Hunter Biden off in handcuffs, leg irons, belly chain, strip search him, charge with multiple counts of Contempt of Congress, prosecuted, then PERP WALKED before the WORLD in his ORANGE JUMPSUIT before they throw his criminal a$$ in prison for at least a few years — JUST FOR HIS CONTEMPT of Congress crimes….as a beginning effort to restore some semblance of a functioning “justice” system in America….because we have NONE as of today.
Then toss Letitia James in prison right next to Fani Willis, Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, and all the rest of the Communists and criminals that are now occupying the entirety of the U.S. government and judicial systems. KARMA will do what must be done since NO ONE has BALLS to USE their power to DO THE RIGHT THING…no integrity, no honor, no balls, anywhere to be found….but Trump.
The GA case is effectively dead bc AOC told us today: RICO is not a crime.
Boom.
But Fani actually IS a criminal.
Boom.
Fauxcahantas,(as Liz is called on the rez) makem wampum war with paleface, and “How”!
This video is an oldie but goodie and never gets old, IMO. Reminds me of a favorite Jimmy Failla joke which we’ve all heard: “When I was a kid, my friends and I would play ‘Cowboys and Elizabeth Warrens’!”….I have not grown the least bit tired of recycling the video, the jokes, etc……too much fun, unlike Liz! There is something seriously wrong with Lady “Faux”.
Here is a fun speech by Huey Long. His story sounds like Trump’s at 2:30 in –
Floyd……..My paternal grandfather created and drove campaign sound trucks for Huey in the 20’s and 30’s. They travelled all over Louisiana together on the campaign trail. Huey was from a little town just southwest of Shreveport, in the north. When he campaigned in south Louisiana, he went into the back woods bayous, where the Acadians/Acadiens lived…..so many of them had never been out of those bayous and most didn’t know English. So Huey would hold up a ballot and show them the words “Huey Long”….then he’d say “You see that name? He no good…so put a big X by his name!”……and that’s how he got the Cajun vote.
He was a nut, but every school kid who was in poverty in Louisiana got new pencils and tablets.
When I was little, our family would be driving along the roads of Louisiana, and sometimes a paved road would just end abruptly and become a bumpy dirt for the next 30 or so miles, and we’d ask “Daddy! What happened to the road??” His answer…”This parish didn’t vote for Huey!”
My maternal great (with an exponent) -grandfather was Sir John Popham, Lord Chief Justice of England (1592 to 1607), who presided over the trials of Jesuit Robert Southwell, Sir Walter Raleigh, Guy Fawkes, and Mary, Queen of Scots, imposing the sentence of Drawing and Quartering on multiple occasions, and whose son was President of the Popham Colony (1607), Popham Beach, Maine.
…just sayin’
All you criminal illegal alien invaders, dependents, parasites, communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, AINOs) et al. pay attention.
You are not only criminals, you are sinners:
– Thou Shalt Not Steal
– Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
– Thou Shalt Not Covet
Maybe we should eat the illegal aliens instead.
It is class envy.
But yeah, I’m jealous of Bezo’s yacht, bit I’m not jealous of the destruction of brick and mortar stores to squeeze a little more out of a dollar because “efficiency” wiped out the job base.
And now we are trying to replace people altogether.
Deplete The Rich
Well, there is one so-called billionaire that needs money, so give Trump a good laugh and send him your money.
Turley claimed andrepeated his claim that Warren is asking for an additional 100 Billion for tax audits. That’s a number I can’t find anywhere. The budget for the entire IRS was 14.3 Billion in 2022, with a small portion dedicated to audits. Turley is usually good at providing links, even though they may not say what he claims. This time nothing. There is, of course, the possibility this amount is spread over several decades, in which case the statement would only be highly misleading as opposed to a huge lie.
enigmainblack, Turley writes only for the mentally numb. Turley’s history of late has been to leave out facts that his trump base does not want to hear. It’s sad, but true.
Or maybe Turley writes for people intelligent enough to be able to use google before calling others liars.
FW – Absolutely Turely is slowly being redpilled.
Many many people are.
Those like YOU are doing that. You constantly get caught in lies.
I have railed at Turley for years for giving the benefit of the doubt to those on the left.
He has had to get burned over and over.
But increasingly he is NOT giving those on the left the benefit of the doubt.
That is appropriate.
We are not all equal.
We are equally entitled to say whatever we want.
We are NOT equally entitled to be beleived
Those who are caught lying over and over, are increasingly not beleived.
It has taken Turley longer to accept that those on the left just can not be trusted.
But increasingly he is getting there.
I like Turley alot – but frankly it takes him way to long to reach obvious conclusions.
We have debated the classified docs for almost 2 years now.
Very early I read JW V NARA and it was OBVIOUS, that Trump was entitled to rely on that decision – which said that he could take most anything he wanted as outgoing president classified or not.
JW. V NARA is a DC opinion – it is not binding on the entire US. It is also a trial court opinon. No0t an appelate decision or a supreme court decisions.
That matters with respect to the Strength of the decision.
It does not matter at all with respect to whether Trump is free to rely on it.
But after 2 years – we are finally hearing the actual legal arguments.
First we learn that Biden’s attorney’s ALSO argued using JW V. NARA with SC Hur – making the same claims that Trump has made – except as VP.
The PRA provides far weaker protection for VP’s.
I presumed that Judge jackson’s decison – which is SLIGHTLY at odds with the PRA was because otherwise the PRA is unconstitutional.
Now I learn that – NW V. NARA is not in a vaccum – there is also CREW v Chenney – and earlier decision finding the same thing – except for VP’s.
And then we learn that the DOJ/OLC in EVERY presidency since Reagan has issued the opinion that the Espionage act does not apply to the president.
I have also learned from this that EVERY President since the PRA passed has taken Classified documents with them.
NONE have returned them.
And we are learning that SC Smith has in his briefs ACCEPTED that Trump removed the Docs from The WH to MAL legally.
That puts him in the position of arguing a legal theory that has never been made before – and not just in the context of classified documents.
That is that you can become a felon by DOING NOTHING.
Smith is arguing that Trump legally removed the documents – legally transfering them to himself.
But that on Jan 21, 2021 he BECAME obligated to return them. And that failure to do so was a crime.
Coupled with another never before made legal theory – that AFTER having committed a crime – the illegal posession of classified documents, You can magically make the crime go away by acting.
That is not how the law works ANYWHERE EVER.
We keep getting these Bat Schiff never before heard legal arguments from the left.
We keep getting told by those on the left that it is OBVIOUS their legal claims are correct.
Before they get slapped down 9-0 by SCOTUS,
or before it turns out that EVERY SINGLE ADMINSTRATION – and their legal counsel since Reagan has said this bird brain argument of the left is garbage.
Most people here know that if the show were on the other foot – you would be arguing the opposite.
And it is – you are making claims regarding Biden that you would not dream of regarding Trump.
Dershowitz more recently said the Trump case is the same as the Biden case – and neither ever should have been brought.
Derschowitz is wrong. The Biden case is WORSE.
Biden did not have the authority to take classified documents from the Senate Scif, to the Biden center, to Udel, to his vacaiton home, to his residence (outside the Naval Observatory as VP), or to his garage.
The VP has no unilateral declassification authority. While the PRA in a very limited fashion does apply to the VP.
The constitutional problems that preclue the espionage act from applying to presidents, as well as the constitutional problems with the PRA if the president does not have unfettered freedom to take any documents he choses – DO NOT apply to the VP.
There is almost no constitutional grant of power to the VP. In the US the VP is two things – the presiding officer of the Senate, and first in line to become president. Other than that they have no executive power. While Presidents have 100% of the executive power of the united states.
John Say posted in part:
And we are learning that SC Smith has in his briefs ACCEPTED that Trump removed the Docs from The WH to MAL legally. That puts him in the position of arguing a legal theory that has never been made before – and not just in the context of classified documents.
What we have known from the first day that Obama’s Third Term (think Lisa Monoco of Russia Dossier fame now in Biden’s DoJ) appointed Jack Smith as Special Counsel is that whether or not a citizen can be appointed a Special Counsel, Jack Smith is the complete opposite of what a Special Counsel is to be.
In reference to Jack Smith prosecuting by way of unheard of legal theories, what he is doing here to Trump as Biden’s most dangerous opponent, is a carbon copy repeat of his 2012 prosecution of the potential Republican nominee who terrified Barack Obama as a potential opponent: Governor Bob McDonnell.
When SCOTUS heard McDonnell’s appeal – AFTER Obama/Biden were safely reelected – they threw out Smith’s convictions of McDonnell in a rare unanimous decision.
In the decision, they said that Smith went to great lengths to twist the existing law and invent new offenses in the existing statute that had never been seen by any other prosecutor: in short Smith essentially changed the law to prosecute McDonnell and get him out of Obama/Biden’s way, not caring if he was reversed on appeal after the election was over.
Our concern is not with tawdry tales of Ferraris, Rolexes, and ball gowns. It is instead with the broader legal implications of the Government’s boundless interpretation of the federal bribery statute.
Soviet Democrat police state fascism has a face in America. It is the face of Jack Smith. And Obama and Biden who sent him to take out their most dangerous foes with specious charges never seen before.
FishAnus, the brilliant Soviet Democrat Marxist Useful Idiot tried this deflection hoping to protect Biden White House Crime LLC
Turley writes only for the mentally numb.
If so, he’s certainly managed to troll FishAnus up from out of the depths of his mommy’s bath tub. Where she still keeps giving FishAnus her hair dryer, the kitchen toaster, and her vibrator collection for his bath toys.
And all FishAnus really wanted was to be invited to one of those ‘inappropriate showers’ Bribery Biden was having with his teenage daughter. Or maybe invited to one of those party’s with underage Russian hookers hosted by The Family Cashier Formerly Known As The Crackhead Kid.
EB – google is your friend, before you call someone a liar. probably you should atleast do a google search.
Because when you call someone else a liar and you are wrong YOU are a liar.
From Elizabeth Warrens Senate.gov web page.
“The Ultra-Millionaire Tax includes robust anti-evasion and avoidance measures, including:
A $100 billion investment to rebuild and strengthen the IRS, ensuring the agency has the resources to hire and train additional personnel, modernize IT systems, and implement the new asset valuation, reporting, and enforcement requirements for the Ultra-Millionaire Tax
A 30% minimum audit rate for taxpayers subject to the Ultra-Millionaire Tax
A 40% “exit tax” on the net worth above $50 million of any U.S. citizen who renounces their citizenship in order to escape paying their fair share in taxes
New tools to determine the value of hard-to-value assets, enabling the IRS to tighten and expand upon existing valuation rules
Systematic third-party reporting that builds on existing tax information exchange agreements adopted after the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, and penalties for underpayment”
Slam, meet DUNK!
Turley said something quite different, saying $100 Billion was for auor audits, not for the whole agency.
Let me quote what Turley wrote:
“In addition, under the Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act, Warren and others would add $100 billion to increase tax audit and investigations.” That is pretty much what the IRS does.
He hyperlinked to the data. Small (not size-wise) like to pull others down because they lack the ability to rise. You added nothing except a demonstration of being small.
“That is pretty much what the IRS does.”
That part wasn’t Turley it was you. I guess return processing and tax payer service doesn’t count? Less than 1% of taxpayers get audited (happened to me once in the 80s). Even less if you’re rich which would be the more complex ones. Yet you suggest that’s where all the money goes.
“That part wasn’t Turley it was you.”
Enigma Turkey wrote the quote below and used hypertext to the original data.
“In addition, under the Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act, Warren and others would add $100 billion to increase tax audit and investigations.”
Tell us what is wrong with Turley’s statement. Most of what you talk about is part of investigating and auditing since that is done continuously with everything else. When you try to pull another down, try not to make a fool of yourself.
The singular desire of abductees is to go home upon release.
“I want to go home.”
More than 680 children and women were abducted in South Sudan in 2020
– UNICEF
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Nyalang Aru can’t wait.
“I want to go home. I want to be back with my mother,” she beams.
– Thou Shalt Not Steal
– Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
– Thou Shalt Not Covet
See what I noted above. The proposed legislation appropriates $100B over 10 years. And only 70% is for enforcement…
So it is misleading at best from Turley and inaccurate at worst
Darren,
What is going on ?
Most of my posts result in “replies to unapproved comments are not allowed”
While the comments I am replying to are often economically ignorant, they are NOT offensive in a way that warrants censorship.
John Say
There is a window of time where a comment might appear to users. Meaning on their web browser, but the comment that is being replied to is deleted by the administrators of the website before the user can hit the reply button. It is a flaw of the comment threading system in WordPress. I suspect that is why you are seeing the “replies to unapproved comments are not allowed.”
Nearly all of the comments that are deleted were because they are submitted by previously banned users who attempt to post here. As such they are summarily deleted.
This is a serious problem. When this issue occurs – the entire comment is lost.
You can not wait or go back and cut and paste it.
I want to address “banned users”.
First, this is turley’s blog and he can do with it as he pleases.
But I am (unhypocritically) with many of the hypocrites on the left who seem to support every possible form of censorship – except their getting banned on Truley’s blog.
Turley is one of the stronger advocates for free speech.
Short of illegal content or spam – we are seeing more of the “you can earn … ” posts that hove no place on this blog.
as well as your offensive word filter.
I do not support censoring or banning people.
I was very disappointed in the recent SCOTUS oral arguments on SM censorship.
Even some of the judges who have been supportive of free speech rights elsewhere, where blind to the problems.
The FL and TX laws are complex. What is not complex is that if States can not compell free speech on social media – foreign countries that do NOT have free speech rights are perfectly willing to censor the entire planet.
On the government interferance question – the lower courts got it right according to the current state of the law.
As Matt Taibbi and the Twitter files have PROVEN – Government engaged in COERCING SM censorship.
But Frankly – SCOTUS should go FARTHER – neither government nor government agents should be free to ASK to remove otherwise legal content. That is further extending the first amendment – but it is what we should do.
The rest of us have not seen the content that has resulted in posters getting banned.
Maybe I would feel differently if I did,
But I am with Jutice Bradneis. The remedy for bad speech is more speech, not enforced silence.
That was 100 years ago. It is MORE true today.
Historically the only actual examples of lies spread publicly that have proven to be extremely dangerous – are those of GOVERNMENT.
Whether the Gulf of Tonkin or The maine, or the collusion delusion – or the covid misinformation by government.
WE can deal with bad speech by individuals. We can not deal with a governemnt that can lie and censor those who take it to task.
$100 billion for new tax audits? Are you kidding me? These folks in congress have dealt for so long with “billions” in deficits that the number doesn’t have any meaning for them. The government has no money, only yours and mine. And they haven’t got enough from you and me that they can justify spending $100 Billion to get what? Is there $100 billion in unpaid taxes out there somewhere? Just like congress to spend 10x more to get x. Mark Cuban, where are you? Another moron senator needs educating.
Exit tax? Nothing says you live in the greatest place on Earth like people willingly paying to leave it. Kind of like the Berlin Wall where people were willing to bet their lives they could escape communism made East Berlin seem like the place to be.
How about an entrance tax?
The democrats have not come up with a good idea since Frank Church was around – boy, could the dems use a guy like him and not the usual minority women mouthpieces for same old marxist a’holes the dems have bankrolling them.
Maybe Church was the last “good” democrat, but even he went against his own constituent’s wishes on the Panama Canal giveaway. He told Tom Brokaw at the time: “Representative government does not mean I vote as the people want me to. It means they elected me because they like the way I vote.” Next election he was beaten by an apple farmer from my home town. Every government employee needs a course on the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a Democracy. Even Church did not know it.
“Apple farmer?” more like a peach farmer, if you get my drift. Would have been fun to party with symms and charlie wilson.
You’re suggesting that the average Idahoan was marching through the streets demanding Church not go along with the Panama treaties?
I’m sure that Church assured Simplot that potatoes and potash were still gonna flow unfettered through the canal, so there was no harm to the average or connected Idahoan, of which I have been one for 15 years.
Interesting to see the Symms v Church vote volume versus Church’s prior election numbers – nearly 2x. I wasn’t there for either, but the dems had a bad time across the board in 1980.
There must be an enormous “Exit Tax” for the participants in the primary activity of the impending “Deportation Nation.”
Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what’s for dinner.
The ultra successful will always be in the minority. The majority will always want to take what they have.