In Charles Dickens’ Oliver Twist, a court informs the irascible character of Mr. Bumble that it assumes a level of control of his wife’s conduct. Mr. Bumble responds that “if the law supposes that, the law is a ass – a idiot.” The scene came to mind with a decision yesterday when the Wisconsin Supreme Court voted 4-3 in Sojenhomer v. Village of Egg Harbor that a sidewalk is not a “pedestrian way.”
Where the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland asked “why is a raven like a writing-desk?,” the Wisconsin Supreme Court asked why a sidewalk is not like a pedestrian way. The result is equally maddening.
At issue was the effort of the state to create more sidewalks. Faced with resistance from homeowners, the state was using eminent domain to simply condemn the land and claim it for sidewalks. However, Wisconsin has strong protections for home owners, including statutes expressly stating that the power of eminent domain must be “strictly construed” against the government.
Moreover, there is a statute that expressly bars the use of eminent domain to take property for “pedestrian way[s].” It defines a “pedestrian way” as “a walk designated for the use of pedestrian travel.”
To every Bumble and non-Bumble alike, that would seem to describe a sidewalk, which is defined by Merriam-Webster as “a usually paved walk for pedestrians at the side of a street.”
Not so says Justice Rebecca Frank Dallet:
Reading the text of this section as a whole, we find several indications that the definition of pedestrian way does not include sidewalks. For starters, both § 346.02(8)(a) and (b) use the terms “sidewalk” and “pedestrian way” in ways that signify that each term has a separate, non-overlapping meaning. … Section 346.02(8)(b) states that pedestrian ways shall be treated ‘as if’ they were sidewalks for utility installation and assessment purposes. The phrase “as if” signals that one category (pedestrian ways) should receive the same treatment as a different category (sidewalks). That is the same way the legislature used “as if” in, for example, Wis. Stat. § 53.03, which states that Wisconsin courts “may treat a foreign country as if it were a state” in guardianship proceedings. Just as foreign countries are not states, but should be treated as if they were for guardianship purposes, pedestrian ways are not sidewalks, but should be treated as if they were for utility-installation and assessment purposes.
The analogy is a poor one, in my view. The treatment of a foreign state like a domestic state captures the fact that both are governing units with similar inherent functions and powers. That is a far cry from saying a “pedestrian way” is NOT a “sidewalk.”
Justice Dallet then adds:
The language of § 346.02(8)(a) also suggests that sidewalks are not pedestrian ways. That paragraph makes the rules of the road pertaining to sidewalks also applicable to pedestrian ways. But if sidewalks are pedestrian ways, then the rules of the road applicable to sidewalks would already apply to pedestrian ways. The point here, to be clear, is not that reading the term “pedestrian way” to include sidewalks would result in surplusage….
However, that may indicate that “pedestrian ways” are a broader category than just sidewalks. It does not suggest that sidewalks are not pedestrian ways.
That seems to be the point of the dissent by Chief Justice Annette Kingsland Ziegler:
The plain language of the statute demonstrates that the term “pedestrian way” is broadly defined, and includes sidewalks. A sidewalk——that portion of the highway created for the travel of persons on foot——is clearly a subset of pedestrian ways——walks set apart or assigned for the use of pedestrian travel. It is a straightforward, common sense interpretation of the statutory language that a “walk designated for the use of pedestrian travel” necessarily includes that part of the highway “constructed for the use of pedestrians…”
[I]n other words, a closer look at the plain meaning of the statutes reveals that all sidewalks are pedestrian ways, but that not all pedestrian ways are sidewalks….
What is particularly galling about the decision of the majority is that they avoid the required strict construction of the law against the government as inapplicable by simply declaring that there is no ambiguity in the language of the statutes, a preposterous claim that requires a level of willful judicial blindness.
The creative effort to ignore the obvious is reminiscent of the fictional Canadian case where a horse was declared a bird. Though sometimes cited as a real case, it appears to be an opinion written to show how legal interpretations can take on absurd dimensions to result in desired ends.
In Regina v. Ojibway (8 Criminal Law Quarterly 137 (1965-66)), a Canadian indigenous tribe member puts down a suffering horse but is then charged under a criminal provision for shooting a bird under the Small Birds Act (R.S.O.). Blue, J., delivers the opinion for the court, granting the appeal, saying:
For the purpose of the Small Birds Act, all two-legged, feather-covered animals are birds. This, of course, does not imply that only two-legged animals qualify, for the legislative intent is to make two legs merely the minimum requirement. The statute therefore contemplated multi-legged animals with feathers as well.
Counsel submits that having regard to the purpose of the statute only small animals “naturally covered” with feathers could have been contemplated. However, had this been the intention of the legislature, I am certain that the phrase “naturally covered” would have been expressly inserted just as “Long” was inserted in the Longshoreman’s Act.
Therefore, a horse with feathers on its back must be deemed for the purpose of this Act to be a bird, a fortiori, a pony with feathers on its back is a small bird.
In Wisconsin, it appears that the Supreme Court would have simply said that the pony, since a pony can be treated “as if” it is a horse, it is not a horse.
Jonathan: Some on your blog think “bump stocks” are just fine. What are they good for? Hunting? Hardly. For killing a lot of innocent Americans? Perfect. “DDC” is one who apparently likes bump stocks. In his comment (6/20/24@12:32) he calls me a “fvcking liar” in referring to Sen. Heinrich’s proposal to ban bump stocks. DDC says the “cock sucking Democrat [Heinrich] introduced a bill with other accessories in it that he knew would be blocked”. DDC wants us to think Henrich’s use of the phrase “other devices” means he really wants to ban all sorts of weapons and “devices” unrelated to bump stocks. That’s the excuse the Senate Republicans used to block Heinrich’s bill.
FACT CHECK: FALSE. In his statement on the Senate floor Heinrich says his proposed legislation would ban bump stocks and “other devices that allow semi-automatic firearms to increase the rate of fire and operate as fully automatic weapons”. It’s pretty clear. Henrich is only addressing semi-automatic weapons that can be turned into virtual machine guns.
In quoting from Heinrich’s statement DDC conveniently leaves out all the language after “other devices” and distorts the purpose of the Senator’s legislation. DDC commit’s a cardinal sin–the sin of omission. He’s the real “liar”! And maybe, Jonathan, you should caution DDC against using “fvcking liar” and “cock sucking” in referring to anyone with whom he disagrees. It’s not the kind of dignified dialogue we expect –but unfortunately has become more frequent here. Something you need to address before your blog turns into a cesspool for those who are bottom feeders!
Dennis is a fvcking LIAR
No one here said bump stocks are OK. NO ONE.
NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON
Thats not the question, Dennis Brown-Jackson. Get a grip.
And I don’t care what that lying, cock sucking democrat said on the floor.
Did you read the bill?? No, you didn’t. You just ran your mouth out of turn again.
Dennis conveniently OMITS all of the “other devices” in that proposal.
Dennis the SINNER. And cock sucker.
Guess what Dennis?
You are the only retard that can’t figure out that if Heinrich was truly interested in banning BUMP STOCKS, then his bill would have banned BUMP STOCKS. Period.
Would that have passed? We’ll never know, will we. And introduced properly, it wouldn’t require UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
Playing political games is NOT SAVING LIVES. COCK SUCKER.
Dennis the unconvicted pedophile is the real bottom feeder here.
You are free to leave at any time, Dennis.
Never call someone that you piece of shit.
Here’s another omission by Dennis the cock sucking LIAR
Today, U.S. Senator Martin Heinrich announced that his Gas-Operated Semi-Automatic Firearms Exclusion (GOSAFE) Act has been introduced in the House by U.S. Representative Lucy McBath (D-Ga.). The GOSAFE Act, originally introduced by Heinrich in November, is a commonsense proposal designed to protect communities from gun violence while safeguarding Americans’ constitutional right to own a firearm for legitimate self-defense, hunting, and sporting purposes.
Dennis checks his facts by quoting what the dishonest democrat said on the house floor. He doesnt bother to read the bill for himself or cite from it. Sounds about right for what the left calls a “fact check”.
Matbe Dennis can tell us what “materially increases the rate of fire” means EXACTLY.
Sojenhomer v. Village of Egg Harbor
The Village’s desire to seize the pub’s property began in 2021.
Here is the Village’s justification for that seizure:
“There is now a designated area for *pedestrians*. A *sidewalk* in that location is a huge benefit to community and to that business specifically as *pedestrians* . . .”
The WSC then ruled that it is not a sidewalk for pedestrians, so that the village could keep its sidewalk for pedestrians.
Absurdity be thy name.
Rebecca Dallet is a reliably ignorant person.
The fact tyrants wear black robes does not make them any levels tyrannical.
You should never take ambien while you are still vertical.
Obama fundraiser is red pilled from living in San Francisco, a place run entirely by liberals, which has led to its demise. So now she’s raising money for Trump instead.
She also realizes Trump will be better for entrepreneurship and innovation, whereas the Biden Administration favors the entrenched large corporations and drives away small dynamic startups.
https://news.yahoo.com/news/former-obama-fundraiser-disenchanted-dems-180027115.html
Anthony Fauci is running around whining about death threats.
Gee, Tony, you’d think you would want to lay low, instead of appearing on all the networks and thumbing your nose at all those nasty Republicans again.
Yea, you seem really scared.
But, if you were scared of dying, you know the correct answer. Just stay home
Fauci is an ass hole.
New Development:
Floyd James Estovir Admits Multiple Identities!
Just a few comments below, readers can see another profanity-laced comment from Floydestovirjamestom.
This is the professional troll who’s been a constant presence on these comment threads for 5 years.
Floyd is no casual commenter, as readers are well aware. Instead he has maintained a chokehold on this blog by mysterious technical means.
Floyd revels in writing filthy comments because that’s what Russian trolls are known for. That’s how gangsters talk back in Saint Petersburg.
But one has to ask, “Is there any significant difference between Russian trolls and MAGA extremists?”
The answer is, “Little, if any difference”.
Yes, Floyd is everyone and everyone is Floyd. Floyd is under your bed and in your closet. Floyd lives in your brain. He is everything and you cannot escape! Bwahahahaha!!
Floyd James Estovir,
You and your puppets are generally the only ‘conservatives’ who ever comment on a regular basis.
Before you first came to this blog, there were about a dozen conservatives posting all day, every day. But most of them peeled off long ago. They know you’re a creep, even ‘if’ they agree with your pro-MAGA views.
Personally I’d get bored, really fast, if some liberal extremist kept posting under multiple names 16 hours per day. Even if I agreed with ‘half’ of his posts, a phony like that would turn me off. I wouldn’t want to dignify his charade!
And I think that’s why the old conservative regulars have mostly moved on. They don’t want any linkage to a sociopath who keeps writing about turds.
#tom #hullbobby #thinkthrough #whimsicalmama #traveler #edwardmahl #waters #turdrunner #manymanymore
Like i said, if all of those commenters are the same person, who are you talking to?
Whats funnier, is that you keep posting that as though, if it were true, your post is going to change a thing.
Even funnier, each of us knows we are different people, so, again, whats your angle.
I think i hear your mommy calling you, Peter. By the way, YOU are turdrunner, dum dum.
“that’s what Russian trolls are known for. That’s how gangsters talk back in Saint Petersburg.” All DNC nonsense.
Floyd must be getting under Peter shills skin, because he is trying to interact with, i dont know, what he perceives to be an audience???
Peter, i never knew you before you got banned, but dude no kidding, you seem like a real kunt.
I mean, are you seriously whining to Turley’s readers, when they see all the nonsense you come here to post at the same time every day, like you have sundowners.
And if you really believed all the names you’ve attributed were Estovir, who the fvck is left that you are talking to???
Right! Its so funny because first he tried to fight back like a little bltch, by attributing the name “turdrunner” to Floyd.
Then when he got shit on and reminded that HE is the one and only turdrunner, he comes to the top whining about it. Like someone is going ro come to his rescue. You are right, Tom. He is a little kunt.
Turd’s are Floyd’s domain. No one else is obsessed with turds like Floyd James Hullbobby Estovir.
^^^^^turdrunner
“maintained a chokehold on this blog by mysterious technical means.”
Lmao
This is my favorite.
While Peter maintains a chokehold on his peter by mysterious microtechnical means.
The leftists Wisconsin Supreme Court judges should be removed just like Jack Smith should be removed.
“Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Appointment Was Unconstitutional”
Tomorrow in Florida, the judge overseeing President Trump’s trial in the classified documents case will hold a hearing on arguments that Special Counsel Jack Smith’s appointment by Attorney General Merrick Garland violated the Constitution.
That case will be made by Trump’s attorneys and other legal experts who have filed friend-of-the-court briefs.
NLPC litigated this very question in 2018 when we challenged the appointment and authority of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Although we lost, the Constitutional question was left very much unsettled. NLPC Counsel Paul Kamenar, who argued the case, predicted at the time that the issue would rise again.
When Smith was appointed Special Counsel by Garland, Paul quickly reacted. Click here to see his opinion piece on Townhall titled “Why the Jack Smith Appointment is Unlawful.”
The argument is that the Appointments Clause of the Constitution authorizes only Congress to create federal offices. This is not a problem when a sitting U.S. Attorney like John Durham or David Weiss is appointed Special Counsel. They already hold office, have been appointed by the president, and hve been confirmed by the Senate. In contrast, the highly partisan Jack Smith was only a private attorney when he was appointed.
https://nlpc.org/government-integrity-project/special-counsel-jack-smiths-appointment-was-unconstitutional/
REGARDING ABOVE
Link for friend-of-the-court brief on this question filed by legal experts, including two former Attorneys General
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.618.0.pdf
Regarding above
This is turdrunner, the shit eating coward who wont post under his previous handles. He just skulls around like the little kunt that he is. Peter shill
Floyd James Estovir is ‘Turdrunner’. He’s the one who’s always smearing ‘turds’ on these comment threads. No one else is that sick or vulgar.
Floyd James Estovir skull fvcks me every night as I eat the peanuts from my own shit.
Stop trying to steal my name you guys i earned it!!!
Floyd, then ALL special counsels are unconstitutional. Which then takes us back to pre-Nixon times.
Another post above from Peter Hill, the coward sack of shit who wont wear the name that Tom gave him proudly, converting brandrunner into the much more appropriate turdrunner.
And below….i dont even know what the point of all that drivel is.
Today’s Column:
Pedestrian Safety Is Real Issue
A sidewalk dispute between Shipwrecked Brew Pub and the village may be headed to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
The dispute is over the property where the village built a sidewalk on County G next to Shipwrecked, 7791 Egg Harbor Road, as part of a safety improvement project around the road’s intersection with State 42, where the popular restaurant and brewery is located. Previously, pedestrians had to walk on the narrow road that could see heavy traffic at peak traffic times.
The village sought to buy a sliver of the Shipwrecked property, about 392 square feet, bordering County G so it could build the sidewalk, along with a temporary easement for lighting and other improvements. But after two offers were rejected by Sojenhomer LLC, the property owner, as inadequate and not coming close to the appraised value, Egg Harbor condemned the property in 2019 so it could build the walkway.
Sojenhomer sued in 2020, but Door County Circuit Court Judge David Weber ruled in favor of the village a year later. The basis of the suit was that state statutes do not allow condemnation of property by a municipality to make a “pedestrian way,” but the village argued that “sidewalk” is not the same as “pedestrian way” according to statute; instead it is a road safety feature, which would open the door for condemnation to build a sidewalk. Weber agreed with the village’s position.
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/door-co/news/2023/04/13/egg-harbor-door-county-asks-supreme-court-to-consider-shipwrecked-sidewalk-case/70113207007/
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Egg Harbor is a resort town in Wisconsin’s Door County, a popular destination for vacationing Chicagoans. During the summer months, traffic reaches Chicago-levels.
Here The Green Bay Gazette clearly tells us that far too many pedestrians are walking in the street to get around this pub. And that is seriously dangerous because a main highway intersects in the immediate vicinity.
And ‘yes’, alcohol is big factor here. Half of the pedestrians, on any given night, are under the influence, as well as ‘X’ number of motorists passing by. The perfect elements for a horrible accident!
The pub could have sold that sliver of property, for sidewalk construction, in the interests of public safety. But apparently the pub was only interested in shaking down Egg Harbor for as much money as they could get.
The story in this article pictures the pub with the new, narrow sidewalk beside it.
If the property owner was paying taxes on a certain assessed value, then the village idiots should have offered based on that value.
Why blame the owner?
Further, what will the village idiots say this winter when they demand the owner clear snow from the sidewalk/pedestrian way?
Who the fvck cares???
Since no party affiliation is mentioned I can conclude 1000% that the corrupt dummy lying judges were and are demoncrats
Milwaukee living up to its deplorable reputation. Trump was right.
Its no wonder blacks are now converting to Trump because Democrats support violent crime
Teen dead in shooting after Washington Park Juneteenth event; suspect was out on $750 bail
https://wtmj.com/news/crime/2024/06/20/shooting-juneteenth-washington-park-kills-teenager-suspect-out-bail/
How was everyone’s Federal holiday due to Juneteenth?
Happy Junteenth
REGARDING ABOVE:
These Juneteenth video of violent crime were posted by Floyd James Estovir. The same troll who’s telling us, further up, that Blacks are flocking to Trump.
Regarding above. This is turdrunner, who posted earlier that Biden was “winning” because he is up 2 in a single national poll.
He is still in denial that Trump is up YUGE
Today from Rasmussen
AZ +4
GA +4
WI +3
NV +3
PA +2
MI +1
MN and VA tied
Poor turdrunner. Reality is so hard.
See below as the coward formerly known as turdrunner, who now posts as anonymous every evening as he awaits his mommy’s return home from her glory hole gig at the local pool hall, tries desperately to console himself with a Fox news poll. You know, the same fox news that he spends much of his time maligning? Yea, that fox news. Oh but this time he trusts them. LMAO cant make this shit up.
Hey dum dum
a) its not a 2 way race. Its 5 ways
b) its the electoral college, stupid
c) trump is at 313 and counting
Yuge.
See below as the coward formerly known as turdrunner, who now posts as anonymous every evening as he awaits his mommy’s return home from her glory hole gig at the local pool hall, tries desperately to console himself with a Fox news poll. You know, the same fox news that he spends much of his time maligning? Yea, that fox news. Oh but this time he trusts them. LMAO cant make this shit up.
Hey dum dum
a) its not a 2 way race. Its 5 ways
b) its the electoral college, stupid
c) trump is at 313 and counting
Yuge.
Yuge.
THE COMPLETION OF THE EXTIRPATION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND “THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A SOCIAL WORLD” BY MARX AND LINCOLN
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After Biden’s win in November, America will be irrevocably and forever communist.
No republican, conservative, or constitutionalist will ever run in, much less win, an election again, as is the case in the one-party communist state of California.
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“The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes.”
“They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A SOCIAL WORLD. [B]”
– Karl Marx Letter to Abraham Lincoln, 1865
If Trump can make it through the debate without farting or falling asleep, he can win the expectations game.
I hope he rips a nasty one in the middle of Joe’s first response. It’s bound to be more coherent.
I hope he makes Jake Tapper faint.
Who will win the debate??
Depends.
In the interest of fairness Joe Biden should acknowledge Trump’s legitimate concerns about sharks and batteries during the upcoming CNN debate.
If Barak is there to arouse him from his stupor
Trump Furious At Fox News
New Poll Shows He’s Slipping
Former President Trump blasted Fox News on Thursday after the network published a poll showing him trailing President Biden nationally for the first time this year.
The poll found that 50 percent of respondents said they would vote for Biden in November, while 48 percent said they would back Trump. It’s a 3-point improvement for Biden over last month’s Fox News poll, when Trump led by 1 point.
“The latest Fox News poll is TRASH!” Trump said in a Truth Social post. “They used a biased, Democrat-leaning sample of voters, polling more Biden 2020 voters than Trump 2020 voters to skew the results in favor of Crooked Joe.”
“I am leading BIG in virtually every other poll, including in all of the key battleground states, like Wisconsin, where I just held a massive rally, and Pennsylvania, where I will be on Saturday,” he continued.
“Fox News polls have never treated me, or MAGA, fairly! Don’t worry, we will WIN!!!” he added. “Fox News should get rid of Paul Ryan, and get a new Pollster, but they won’t….”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4731614-trump-lashes-out-fox-news-poll/
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Trump is mistaken. He is NOT “leading big in virtually every other poll”.
Trump’s hush money conviction dented his support by about three percentage points.
So here Trump turns on Fox News; which could be only a false flag attack. Trump has to know that Fox is crucial to his survival.
Trump IS leading big, you imbecile.
A 2 point deficit for a republican in the general poll is a huge win electorally.
Where have you been the last 20 years?
A democrat needs a minimum of a 5 point lead to have any shot at an electoral college win.
Spend less time at your glory hole gig, spastic, and you might learn something.
Floyd, then Trump is an imbicile for thinking that slippage matters.
At least he can spell imbecile, imbecile.
You even had the correct spelling in front of you, turdrunner.
A common libtard trait. Cant even recognize the correct answer when told.
Beahahahahaha loser.
Slippage:
What happens when turdrunner Peter Hill steps in the wet spot on the tile floor after he gets creampied by some yuge maga cock.
^^ Paid DNC troll. Ignore. ^^
Is the debate fixed?
You bet it is.
Anyone who thinks that CNN has not back channeled the questions to Biden’s team is kidding themselves.
This time, there is no email evidence. They learned their lesson. Hand delivered.
Turley, an official of MAGAsphere, is paid to attack tradtionally blue states, but he ignores the outrageous things done in red states–to wit: Louisiana REQUIRING the 10 commandments, in easy-to-read format, to be displayed in EVERY classroom in the state, which is a clear First Amendment violation. And then, there’s Texas, which, after being publicly scorned following publication of the case of the woman pregnant with twins, one of which had lethal anomalies incompatible with life, who had to go to the Emergecy Room multiple times with intractible vomiting and pain due to the toxicity of carrying a defective fetus. She was forced to travel 700 miles to Colorado to have the defective twin terminated in order to save her life and that of the normal twin. She and her husband feared they could be arrested for seeking such care and didn’t know the best way to travel, due to fear of being stopped and arrested if they drove or pulled off an airplane if they flew. Her problem–she wasn’t close enough to death’s door to qualify for the alleged, but defacto nonexistent, exception to Texas’s abortion ban to save her life. When she testified before Congress, her Senator–Ted Cruz, didn’t bother to show up. No Texas doctor was brave enough to test the law. To right this perceived “wrong”, the Republican Texas Legislature is proposing criminalizing use of public roads to travel to another state to terminate a pregnancy. Today, Turley is using his platform to criticize a tortious construction of law to atempt to create more sidewalks over the objections of adjacent homeowners, but ignoring Louisiana and Texas violating the Constitutional rights of its citizens. In the case of Texas, the woman described above might have died if she didn’t have the resources and support to travel to another state to get the care she needed. The obvious reason for Turley’s choice of legal topics–Turley’s paid to criticize things that happen in blue states and to ignore the tyrannies coming from red states.
Explain how displaying the 10, commandments is tyrannical and please reference tranny flags on roadways.
Glad to hear that the LA couple and their healthy child survived, all healthy children should, so despite your 1 in a 100 million scenario, LA has avoided many healthy babies from being killed.
GIGO
Forcing religion and religiosity onto vulnerable school children under color of state law is tyrannical. Posting of the 10 Commandments is mandatory. American citizens have the right NOT to believe in any supreme being, NOT to believe in the Old Testamane, NOT to believe in Moses, that the 10 Commandments came directly from God, and not to have their children forced to view the 10 Commandments as a condition to receiving a public education.
Now, reverse the scenario and assume that Muslims were to take over the United States and a Muslim-led legislature were to require passages from the Koran to be displayed in every classroom, including the provision that defines “infidels” as those who hold different beliefs. Would that be OK with you?
The 10 commandments is not religion
According to the Bible, Moses got the 10 Commandments from God on Mt. Sinai. How is this NOT religion? Children have the right to a free public education without the encroachment of any sect’s religious beliefs.
Why is their provenance relevant? If the Ten Commandments say don’t steal and don’t kill, how does that become religion just because God said it? All 50 states have laws against stealing and killing, but those don’t violate the Establishment Clause, right?
I’d say commandments 6-10 are not religions (honor parents, don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t commit adultery, don’t commit perjury, and don’t covet). If schoolchildren would follow those instructions, we’d have a much better situation than currently.
Commandment 4 is borderline (set the sabbath day apart for rest and recreation). Commandments 1-3 do seem pretty religious (have no other gods besides YHWH, don’t make graven images, don’t take YHWH’s name in vain).
Bottom line: it seems to me the law is 35% unconstitutional.
I give you these 15 (drops one tablet, crash, boom). Err, these 10 commandments!!!
—–Moses in History of the World, Part 1
Anon – nice!
In the version of the Exodus story that didn’t make it into the Bible, Moses comes down from the mountain and addresses the Israelites as follows:
I have good news and bad news. The good news is I got him down to 10. The bad news is [dejected look] adultery stays.
Do you know where tennis is mentioned in the bible?
When Joseph served in Pharaoh’s court.
A school could say something like this: “here are some good rules to abide by to live a successful life”: 1. don’t steal; 2. don’t lie; your “yes” should mean “yes” and your “no” should mean “no”; 3. respect your parents, brothers and sisters and teachers; 4. honor your commitments; 5. don’t hurt or kill other people; 6. don’t be jealous of other people or their things; 7. control your temper. I don’t think the topic of adultery is something that K through 8 ought to go into in any detail.
How does “I am the Lord Your God, you shall not have strange gods before me” be construed as anything other than religion? The point is that schools should teach general values but not based on religion.
Thats not religion.
I don’t think the topic of adultery is something that K through 8 ought to go into in any detail.
But good with an 8th grader deciding their gender
Without their parents knowledge.
oldmanfromkansas said: “it seems to me the law is 35% unconstitutional.
Even though I’m very much a religious skeptic, I have no serious issue with display of the 10 Commandments in a public school, provided that the decision to do so was made at the appropriate level. I do pretty much agree with your analysis of them. I also think that a strong case can be made for them being shared cultural values, since Christianity was (largely) built on top of Judaism, and Islam (again, largely, regarding Muhammad as the Final Prophet) on top of Christianity. I haven’t looked a statistics on such things in quite some time, but I’m pretty certain a strong majority of Americans would claim to identify with one of those religions. On the other hand, given a choice between the prominent display of those Commandments, and the prominent display of the first ten amendments to the U. S. Constitution in those same schools, I would opt for the latter every time.
The 10 commandments is not religion
The 10 commandments is not religion
The 10 commandments is not religion
Anon, I am certain that Gigi is too dull-witted to recognize that you are ridiculing her for coming here and repeating the same lies day in and day out.
WHEN are you going to post proof of your claim I said that inflation was 8% when Trump was put out of office?
What was it then, Gigi?
When you answer what the 12th Amendment says. Can the pres and VP be from the same state, Gigi? Or it it prohibited by “our guiding light” the constitution, as you said.
And, I KNOW you and the other MAGAts who occupy MAGAsphere believe that any statement, repeated over and over again, becomes true. We know this because you believe the Big Lie, the “Biden Crime Family” trope and the other slop shoveled by MAGA media.
In some form, the 10 Commandments are observed everywhere in the world.
I would leave that country.
Good bye, Gigi
If you need instructions on how to be a decent, caring human being, then you are not a decent, caring human being.
If you need religion in your life you are a dimwit who is afraid of the dark.
If you are Catholic, you are a participant in the largest pedophile sex trafficking organization in the world.
“If you need instructions on how to be a decent, caring human being, then you are not a decent, caring human being.”
Right. And thats why we have “microaggression experts”.
Hmmmmm….DEI training
Hmmmmmm…CRT
Yea, you’re right….just let the kids figure it out for themselves.
It is the role of decent caring parents to teach their children how to be decent caring human beings.
It is not the role of the education system to teach children to be decent caring human beings.
It is not the role of religion to teach children how to be decent caring human beings.
If you rely on your magical friend in the sky to teach you how to be a decent caring human being, then you are a dimwit who is afraid of the dark. You are not thinking for yourself. You are conforming to certain “commandments” out of fear of retribution from your “magical friend”. You are teaching your children to be fearful of terrible retribution for failing to conform to “commandments”. This is no way to live a decent life, or raise children.
Therefore you are not a decent caring human being.
Thanks for clarifying your first ignorant statement.
So you are happy to live a life in fear of retribution from your magical friend in the sky if you fail to follow his commands.
Seems like a pretty miserable existence.
Also seems to the very definition of sado-masochism, wherein you live in fear of someone you supposedly love and who supposedly loves you.
Who the fvck are you talking to retard???
I think Jehovah, if he by some stretch, does exist, is a huge ass hole, and I’ll take eternity in the lake of fire over spending one minute with “him”. The idea that a god even has a gender is laughable. The fvcking greeks version makes as much sense.
You however, seem like you’ve a problem with spiritual or religious people, and frankly i find u to be a jack ass as well. The teachings of Christ, as recorded in the Bible, if followed by every human, would make the world a wonderful place. I’m not talking about the teachings of Paul, who was a hater like you, but somehow got to speak for god, thanks to king james.
So you can piss up a rope wrt what i believe, but you really should study Christianity a little closer before you run your fat mouth about it. That is, if you want to sound less ignorant.
We’re talking about children, who do need training in values, especially those who live in dysfunctional households.
Whether you like it or not Gigi, most of the “values” of our culture came from Judeo-Christian teachings.
Hear, hear!
Gigi concurs with the American Founders in their Naturalization Act of 1790:
KEEP ‘EM THE —- OUT!
the 10 commandments does not say “kill the infidels”…..
No, but the Koran does. I gave an example of why forcing school children to look at religious rhetoric posted in every classroom is a violation of the First Amendment.
Lmao. Thats not why its a violation of the first amendment.
Gigi
Why is your avatar different every evening than it is during the day? This is consistent.
Because I post using different devices depending on where I am at the time–whether I’m at home, at the office or neither. I always use the same email address.
Gigi hates the Ten Commandments. She has no problem murdering other people, believes in theft and doesn’t honor her parents, all while fooling around with her neighbor’s spouse.
gigi points out how stupid they are.
The Ten Commandents are a lot better then all those anti-semites chanting from river to sea.
What about what about what about you idiot
Now, what about me, what about you
What about us, what about shit
What about, what about
What about this,
Doesn’t one of the 10 Commandments prohibit interest from being charged?
No. Pro tip: google “10 commandments” and you’ll see all ten.
Wow….you are a pro!
Just not very witty.
The fundamental law of the nation is not obscure or ambiguous.
The only qualification to governmental “taking” of private property is just compensation.
Private property shall be taken for public use, with just compensation.
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5th Amendment
No person shall…be deprived of…property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
You’re batting a thousand George. You misread that one too
Elections, are they honest?
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Fractal Poll – Trump Loses BIG In Residences Without Bedrooms
We had a pretty good sample size of about 500,000 voters, registered at addresses where nobody can live, in each swing state except Pennsylvania – which had many more…
The ineligible locations – collecting mail-in ballots – “residences’“ without bedrooms – are 95% in high density, urban areas controlled by the Leftists….
They all vote – often – always absentee – which told us there is a civics lesson here – people who live in locations where people cannot live vote more consistently than those who live in real houses. Hmmm….
We can say with certainty, Wawas, highly concentrated in Pennsylvania – have a slightly better mail-in ballot percentage than the 7-11 voters. Maybe it’s the coffee….
NOBODY in college lives in a dorm for more than 4 years – like nobody. Certainly not the same dorm.
So what would you say when we found in every one of the 7 swing states, over 10,000 – sometimes up to 40,000 college students who voted from the same dorm for decades!…
You are probably asking us how these voters without bedrooms voted.
Here it is – they voted 93% for Leftist candidates….
Unfortunately those polls do not count the votes – over 500,000 in each swing state – coming from ineligible addresses – without bedrooms….
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Read the complete story at:
https://omega4america.substack.com/p/fractal-poll-trump-loses-big-in-residences?
Back in 2019 the GOP-controlled General Assembly in Pennsylvania served up a gift to Democrats on a silver platter: no-excuse mail-in voting for all. What did they get in return? Something of minimal value: an end to straight-party-ticket voting. GOP: the party of stupid.
Ah, but this is just the first year of liberal/leftist justices controlling the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190
2024 is the first year in 15 years that they have held a majority on the state’s high court (as a result of 2023 special election for an open seat). I know that the new liberal justice who won that high-stakes race has also expressed her desire for voter redistricting (to defeat “Republican gerrymandering”) and wants to defeat Wisconsin’s conservative abortion law.
We should expect more of this…Maybe Wisconsin cheese will have to be “green” in the future,…(–or maybe cows will be eliminated entirely, because their poop contains too much methane. Don’t raise the bridge, lower the water, says the Left).
Every time I hear leftists blowing their minds over guns I remind them about the 187 people who will die today from Fentanyl coming across our southern border. Mass murder brought about by the policies of the left. They never give me an answer. Their concern is only found in their political talking point not in the deaths and ruined lives of the people on drugs. You can be sure that Hunter was very happy that the border was wide open so that he could continue his habit paid for with Chinese money. Joe was just seeing that his boy would remain happy when he kept the border open. He’s a good old dad.