Below is my column in the New York Post on the growing hysteria among press and pundits proclaiming the imminent end of democracy if Kamala Harris is not elected. The predictions of mass roundups, disappearances, and tyranny ignore a constitutional system that has survived for over two centuries as the oldest and most stable democracy in the world. More importantly, the public appears to agree that democracy is under threat but appear to hold a very different notion of where that threat is coming from.
Here is the column:
“Democracy dies in darkness” is the Washington Post’s slogan, but can it handle the light?
The Post has been doggedly portraying the election between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris as a choice between tyranny (Trump) and democracy (Harris). Yet when it commissioned a poll on threats to democracy shortly before the election, it did not quite work out.
Voters in swing states believe that Trump is more likely to protect democracy than Kamala Harris, who is running on a “save democracy” platform.
The poll sampled 5,016 registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
When asked whether Trump or Harris “would do a better job” of “defending against threats to democracy,” 43% picked Trump while 40% picked Harris.
Notably, this was the same result when President Biden was the nominee. While over half said that threats to democracy were important to them, the voters trusted Trump (44%) more than Biden (33%) in protecting democracy.
Even with the slight improvement for Harris, the result was crushing for not just many in the Harris campaign but the press and pundits who have been unrelenting in announcing the end of democracy if Harris is not elected.
Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has declared with authority that either you vote for Harris, or this “may well be the last real vote you ever get to cast.”
I have long criticized the apocalyptic, democracy-ending predictions of Biden, Harris and others as ignoring the safeguards in our system against authoritarian power.
Nevertheless, Harris supporters have ratcheted up the rhetoric to a level of pure hysteria. Recently, Michael Cohen, a convicted felon and Trump’s disbarred former lawyer, told MSNBC that if Trump wins the election, he will “get rid of the judiciary and get rid of the Congress.”
Recently, MSNBC host Al Sharpton and regular Donny Deutsch warned viewers that they will likely be added to an enemies “list” for some type of roundup after a Trump election.
MSNBC host Rachel Maddow also joined in the theme of a final stand before the gulag: “For that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he’s planning are only for migrants? So, yes, I’m worried about me — but only as much as I’m worried about all of us.”
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) was quick to add her own name to a list that seems to be constantly updated by the media. She told podcast host Kara Swisher, “I mean, it sounds nuts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy threw me in jail.”
On ABC’s “The View,” the hosts are becoming indistinguishable from tinfoil-hatted subway prophets. Whoopi Goldberg even explained how Trump is already committed to being a dictator who will “put you people away … take all the journalists … take all the gay folks … move you all around and disappear you.”
Of course, assuming that Cohen is wrong that there will be no courts after a Trump victory, this would require federal judges to sign off on the rounding up of MSNBC personalities, all gay people, all reporters, and, of course, Whoopi Goldberg.
All that is required is for over two centuries of constitutional order to fail suddenly, and for virtually every constitutional actor in our system to suddenly embrace tyranny.
Those pushing this hysteria often curiously cite the January 6 riot as proof that the end is near. Yet that horrible day was the vindication, not the expiration, of our constitutional system. The system worked. The riot was put down. Congress, including Republicans, reassembled and certified Biden as the next president.
In the courts, many Trump-appointed judges ruled against challenges to the election.
Our system was put through a Cat 5 stress test and did not even sway for a moment.
Nevertheless, the same voices are being heard on the same media outlets with doomsday scenarios.
Former Acting US Solicitor General Neal Katyal told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” ominously, “We are looking at a very possible constitutional crisis and one that’s going to make January 6, 2021, look like a dress rehearsal. And this year, the rogues have had four years to go pro and perfect the big lie.”
In other words: Be afraid, very afraid.
Then, in a New York Times column, Katyal lays out scenarios premised on a complete breakdown of the oldest and most stable democratic system in history.
It is like telling passengers on an ocean liner that we will all drown and then whispering that this is “assuming the crew intentionally scuttles the ship, all bulkheads and sealed departments fail, and every lifeboat and life preserver is discarded.”
But then we are all going to die.
The only way to avoid that watery grave (with the death of democracy itself)? Vote Democratic.
There is, however, some good news in all of this: Despite years of alarmist predictions from Biden, Harris, the press, and pundits, the public is not buying it.
It is not because they particularly like Trump. Many of his supporters seem poised to vote for him despite viewing him as polarizing and, at times, obnoxious.
No, it is because the American voter has a certain innate resistance to being played as a chump. Many of the same figures claiming that democracy is at stake supported ballot cleansing to remove Trump and others from the ballots. They supported the weaponization of the legal process in New York against Trump. Likewise, as Harris insists that she is the only hope for fundamental rights, many cannot fail to notice that she is supporting an unprecedented system of censorship that one court called “Orwellian.”
None of this means that the choice between Trump and Harris is easy. However, Harris’ claim to be the only hope for democracy is proving as tin-eared as running on pure “joy.”
Voters are clearly demanding more than a political pitch of abject fear mixed with illusive joy.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
This is possibly the nation’s first Chicken Little election.
From what I’ve seen, Trump’s campaign focuses on the border, the economy, crime, forever wars, and men competing in women’s sports.
From what I’ve seen, Harris’s campaign focuses on January 6 and abortion.
January 6 is something a vanishingly small segment of voters care about. Relatedly, they are not buying that Trump is a “threat to democracy.” As for abortion, that is a winning issue for Dems, and the strength of the abortion card for the national election will be enhanced in states where an abortion referendum is on the ballot: that will draw voters to the polls who are more likely to vote Harris than Trump. But, it would have to be important enough to enough people to outweigh their concerns about the above-listed issues Trump is focusing on. Also, Trump has blunted its effectiveness to some degree by promising to veto a federal abortion ban. His pitch that he wants the issue decided state-by-state is attractive to many . . . and interestingly it shows he wants more democracy, not less . . . which “circles back” (h/t Jen P.) to the threat-to-democracy card being such a weak card to play.
NotSoOld: Always good to read your comments, but one thing I have noticed about abortion– And the whole rape and incest spiel in TV/radio commercials, as in, “SoAndSo” would nationalize a ban on all abortions, even those from rape or incest…Be very afraid!”
Surprisingly, I have not heard a single–not one–rebutting commercial or candidate response, e.g., “Women: you know immediately if you were raped–you don’t have to wait until you find out if you are pregnant. You have at least 24 hours to [take the morning-after pill]. And why aren’t schools and parents effectively talking to young girls about not being afraid to come forward if incest occurs, even if bribed or threatened otherwise?”
This is one type of responsive commercial that could at least bring more substance into the conversation and get people to at least consider more options.
I do believe that Republicans/conservatives can lose on this issue only because of their non-responsive silence.
Lin says I do believe that Republicans/conservatives can lose on this issue only because of their non-responsive silence.
Lin, I would say the opposite: they can lose on this issue because they DO engage with Democrats on this issue. What would Democrats have left if they didn’t have their abortion claims?
The Democrats gratefully thank both Trump and all Republicans for accepting the invitation to fight a defensive battle on a non-existent federal battleground where they hold the fake high ground.
Democrats repetitively lie that the Trump/Vance platform includes a national ban on abortion, etc. The fact that there is absolutely nothing like that in the Trump/GOP platforms means nothing: they throw that lie out there and Republicans take the bait of responding to what is a “Do you still beat your wife?” tactic.
SCOTUS was as clear as possible in ruling that the Federal government and no Federal politicians have any say in making law concerning abortion. It isn’t about religious beliefs: what the Bible, the Torah, the Quran says. Its about the Constitution and the division between federal and state powers.
Abortion, especially elective birth control abortions, SHOULDN’T be an issue in this or any other federal election. But Democrats have successfully make it a federal election issue. It’s a strategic election strategy win when Republicans willingly agree to fight on that Democrat fake battleground. On that Democrat background, Republicans invariably find themselves fighting a defensive battle against Democrat lies like claims Trump will criminalize all abortions.
Democrats know that. Just as they know that if Kamala Harris is elected and tries to allow Democrats to pass laws forcing all states to provide elective birth control abortions up to the moment of birth, that legislation is DOA on arriving at the Supreme Court – if it gets that far. But if Trump/Republicans acknowledge and engage on that Democrat battleground, that’s an avenue to potential Democrat electoral victory.
You don’t fight battles on the ground and at the time of the enemy’s choosing; you reject the enemy inviting you to fight on their terms and pick your own battleground.
What Trump and the Republicans SHOULD be saying (in my opinion) is something along the lines of “SCOTUS has clearly said Harris and the Democrats cannot pass the federal laws they promise that will legalize elective birth control abortions up to the moment of birth – SCOTUS ruled they have to get abortions like that legalized in the states they’re from. Lets all be clear: Trump has said this is a state issue multiple times. Even if Democrats were telling the truth with their claims Trump intends to criminalize abortions, SCOTUS would reject a federal law like that as well”.
If it MUST be a federal election issue, hammer the fact that Harris and the Democrats want to force on all states ELECTIVE birth control abortions up to the point of birth.
But instead of attempting to take all claims regarding federal abortion law off the table, Trump and Republicans have given Democrats and Biden/Harris the election campaign gift of responding as though federal abortion law is indeed constitutional.
* Abortion isn’t a political issue at all. There’s precedent for a fetus is a person and fetal death by accident. The only law required is a human life law from conception to death. That becomes ridiculous doesn’t it? Miscarriages? Seriously
* There must be more accountability in the medical community. Any doctors committing atrocities should be accountable to their peers.
Physicians are pulling out of sex change surgeries now seeing the harm its caused.
* The consequences of rape and incest should be so severe for the male they would not dare. For this reason, too, the claims of women like e jean carroll and others are also criminal as lies.
It’s a physicians self policing issue as a body of professionals that prevents atrocities after the atrocity.
* The biological imperative of living organisms is to reproduce. It’s the same from bacteria, to fish and birds and mammals.
There’s unchecked reproduction in India resulting in 1.5 billion people living within that land mass. Others have taken the anti reproduction route of homosexuality and abortion.
Self sterilization is an option . Let the meek inherit the earth. Sad but true.
* if I were female of child bearing years I’d reserve abortion, too. Who’d electively have children in this shithole?
What you’ll need to understand in this shithole is the dems have constructed a monarchy already and the king and queen, princes, dukes and the rest you call congress are robbing the serfs. Pay up!
I’m done with these niceties of free speech.
* Apparently the word shithole is censored here.
* The year before roe v wade there were approximately 300 abortions. The climb to 1.5 million abortions is a nearly perpendicular rise within a few years.
They say they want to be like men. Who knew they’d become little men as their dream. That wouldn’t be what John Stuart Mills expected.
* It’s an arrogant nothing card to play. Biden stayed in the basement. She doesn’t need to try.
In the latest Turley pro apartheid push piece I marvel at the slime law involved with shaping a sentence to make it appear Michael Cohen was let go by trump for being a convicted felon…
While of course ommiting the fact that Trump commissioned Cohen’s felony and is, in fact, a convicted felon himself.
Even better, yet again, Turley’s suggestion that we as a nation continue to ‘pressure test’ our increasingly shaky republic with the antics of of someone who rips ass and grumbles at witnesses in his own felony trial has just reached an absurd stage.
“In the latest Turley pro apartheid push piece I marvel at the slime law involved…”
‘pro apartheid push piece’?????
One of the Harris trolls here needs to get that crack pipe out of your hands before she’s forced to prosecute you again.
Give your mom back her phone and go clean your room, Elvis.
I am concerned that the only safeguard in our system against authoritarian power is the judicial branch. While it may be argued there are others, it cannot be denied that they have been greatly weakened by an ever expanding and dogmatic federal government continuously seeking to wholly supplant all aspects of individualism with those of collectivism. So long as the courts and particularly the Supreme Court hold steadfast in favor of the written Constitution and not the erosion of it by the Administrative State, democracy will remain viable however more tenuous it may yet become.
Ron, you couldn’t be more wrong! Government doesn’t protect you from an “authoritarian power”.
Involved, thinking citizens, who are willing to stand for the constitution, is our only safeguard.
Lucky for us we have a chance in less than two weeks get rid of a regime that will stop at nothing to be able to
– Take bribes from any foreign power with an agenda.
– Kill babies and then sell their body parts.
– Kill Jews
– Take away your guns
– Rig elections by keeping illegal aliens and the deceased on the voters rolls.
– Destroy our military, government and civilian workforces and our children with their Woke and DEI agendas.
– Not to explain why biological men can play in biological women’s sports.
– Alter children’s bodies and minds under LGBTQIA+ agenda.
– Purposely and enthusiastically bring into our country millions of illegal aliens in order to stay in power, without regard to our safety, communities, schools and economy.
– Support China with trillions of your dollars under the guise of “clean energy”.
– Support Iran, Russia, Venezuela with billions of dollars by destroying our oil industry, selling off our Strategic Petroleum Reserves to Chinese Military Industrial Complex.
– And last but not least, to destroy the American dollar.
pBinca-
I’m not sure the present Democratic Party is capable of self reflection and re-alignment if they lose. They lost in 2016 and showed no such tendency and instead just went back to Biden who was the deflated spare tire on the Obama SUV and then we ended up with this miscarriage of an administration that even Obama has trouble recognizing.
Can they re-energize and realign as the Republicans did in 1994. Even that was not a total victory since Bill Clinton still won in 1996 and when Bush won in 2000 we got Neocons who now root and push for the Democrats and ensconced us in 2 wars that lasted decades . Remember the Tea Party started under Bush and Bush also got the multi-trillion dollar debt bomb rolling.
Realignment and soul searching is not always what it is cracked up to be unless it leads to better performance and service to the people and the nation.
Bush also wanted to toss open the gates to immigration but was blocked by the down ballot officeholders (that may have been closer to the people). So be careful about what you wish for.
Better to find a new leader who can lead you out of the wilderness then set up a strategic planning committee. Not the other way around. And try to keep it in constitutional norms. We have survived this far by never going too far left or right except for the civil war and that was the worst war we ever fought. Moderation failed then and left only a military solution and the nation bled horribly.
The current administration, it is zeal to curry favor and gain its support, has become the useful tool of the Woke Volksinitiative, and its Cancel Culture Gestapo. This ‘movement’ has been responsible for a rent in the social fabric of this nation and continues to percolate just under the surface, be supplanted by other more current ‘headlines’ as the year progresses. However the past 3.5 years cannot be ignored. Within this simmering soup are the elements of the needs of ‘The Alphabet Union’ and its gender identity issues. No more evident an example of fascism coming to rescue of this minority is the legislation recently signed by the Governor of California. What is it about the west coast states, and a subset of the citizenry which calls it home, that they are ruling the roost in this issue, and electing representatives who promulgate laws giving THE STATE the right to assume ‘in locus parentis’ or worse, in these. matters concerning parents and minor children. The word ‘fascism’ is being bandied about as loosely as racism and those who use it so freely and arbitrarily capitalize on their soft bigotry of low expectation of the low information voters who have yet to have learned anything from the past. https://www.npr.org/2024/07/16/nx-s1-5041437/california-bans-school-rules-requiring-parents-notification-of-childs-pronoun-change https://apnews.com/article/title-ix-transgender-bathroom-bans-645b5564ce227a9efe2c05f883609ae8
i agree- the chicken little demorats claim the sky is falling the sky is falling -also cocky lucky ducky lucky turkey lurky etc- and trumpy wolfly will eat them all
What is meant by “a loss of democracy” is that many on the left are afraid that they might lose the ability to vote themselves more of the taxpayer’s dime.
Watch these LIARS after Nov 5th and remember it in every election going forward.
If Rachel Maddow fears imprisonment, or worse, surely she will leave the country, or at the very least, stop criticizing Trump.
See how many Hollywood stars leave the country as they also promised last time.
See if Liz Cheney runs and hides.
They are all liars who dont believe their own garbage.
But people like Dennis McInliar, George-Svelaz, and Gigenius just lap it up.
* Anyone with even a 100 IQ should be able to see you’re being played when dems say things like, be afraid, be very afraid. They’re inciting panic and mental illness.
SCOTUS got it right when they began to put issues back where they belong. They are States’ issues. Best advice is get to conservative State and elect competent, honest people.
The congress has people who don’t belong in any form of government. What will be done after revealing that reality I don’t know. The laws being proposed don’t make sense, are unreadable and interpretations are so inane it becomes impossible.
Democrats are without a doubt anticonstitution and anti United States. No doubt.
* Democrats rejected freedom for lawlessness.
Truth
Jon. Your positions over the last couple years, while understandable due to your employment with Fox News Corporation, are not morally defensible. It IS immensely troubling that former national security advisors, chiefs of staff, chairmen of the joint chiefs, and defense secretaries are sounding the alarm on the dangers of another Donald Trump presidency. This has NEVER happened before. Throw in the whole January 6 debacle, which was absolutely an attempt to prevent a peaceful transfer of power, and the whole debacle becomes terrifying for our nation. There is no defending these facts and no amount of whitewashing can mitigate them away. Your effort to do so is embarrassing.
Jeff is another one who doesnt believe his own fear mongering.
See Waters explanation of the real threat and use your superpower brain washed excuses to explain it away, Jeffie (reference to Johnny Knoxville acting retarded in “The Ringer”.)
Jeff calls sewing circle quotes from fired ex employees “facts” that cannot be disputed.
Bwahahahahahaha what an idiot.
Ever notice that ALL the trolls who call him Jon or JT or Turls, and are demented enough to think he reads their drivel, ALWAYS gas light with the “you work for Fox” schtick? So lame.
The danger you predict is not a danger to the american people, it is a danger to the military industrial complex/the foreign affairs aholes/the Aspen group/etc. They will lose sway, perhaps we will no longer “influence” elections at home and abroad, perhaps we will stop sending $87M A WEEK to the Taliban, of which much will be funneled back into some of our more greedy citizens (john kerry??), cheneys’ haliburton will have much less destruction to clean up, and maybe some American corps won’t have the strong arm of the dirty tricksters to prop them up unfairly overseas (or conversely pull the carpet out from them, like X in Brazil or facebook in the US when those companies stop doing as they are told.).
Now, the only danger to americans from a trump win is from the american aholes that constitute the military industrial complex/the foreign affairs aholes/the Aspen group/etc.
Stop supporting the worst people in America – the council on foreign relations people, the aspen group, etc – they are evil sociopaths, just stop. you can do it.
Was it the peace or the prosperity during Trump’s first term that they find so threatening?
Every occur to you those people you mention might be the ones who are all for forever wars? Ever occur to you during Trumps first admin, no new wars happened? Ever occur to you during the Biden admin we got two new wars and the possibility of WWIII?
Trump did not attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, Bombshell transcripts: Trump urged use of troops to protect Capitol on Jan. 6 , but was rebuffed
“Key lawmaker says interviews prove Pentagon wrongly allowed optics to overwhelm security concerns in lead-up to fateful day. The Pentagon’s top brass did not comply with Trump’s orders because of political concerns and “optics.”
https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/bombshell-transcripts-trump-urged-use-troops-protect-capitol-jan-6-was?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
* Perhaps massive immigration with security checks of 250 million Latin Americans is the future. Roman catholicism the main religion and sort of a constitution with a broken leg is advised.
At some point someone will have to admit the USA is no more. Those remember it will be gone 50 years.
Enjoy your day
It IS immensely troubling that former national security advisors, chiefs of staff, chairmen of the joint chiefs, and defense secretaries are sounding the alarm on the dangers of another Donald Trump presidency.
Jeff, were you equally troubled when 51 intelligence officials signed a statement asserting the Hunter Biden laptop had all the earmarks of Russian propaganda, knowing full well it was legitimate and had been in the possession of the FBI for nearly 1 year? If not, then it is you sir that is morally bankrupt. If you were, then is it not reasonable to be skeptical of anyone projecting the title of “future” fascist on Trump? Especially given the fact he and other conservatives continue to battle the “present” fascists in the Democratic party and the Regime that controls them.
Olly: Nice response.
Jon. Your positions over the last couple years, while understandable due to your employment with Fox News Corporation, are not morally defensible.
Jeff, you’re obviously an outraged Democrat and it’s understandable that you’re here to deflect from the dangers of Harris going even further totalitarian left than Biden did.
But I don’t think you’re actually so STUPID that you believe Professor Turley only gets income from BBBBUUUTTTTT…. MUH FOX NEWS! I believe you do know that among the other news outlets who choose to pay for his columns is the now far left ‘The Hill’. Or if you prefer, the Associated Press as another example.
We’re supposed find you credible while you cosplay outrage that because you supposedly believe Professor Turley ONLY gets income from BBBBUUUUTTTT… MUH FOX NEWS!?
Your sophomoric BS fakery has none of that ‘morally defensible’ that you come here to lie your host here does not have.
I would say you’re embarrassing yourself with your clearly obvious false accusations and phony shrieks of fear.
But you wouldn’t be posting your claptrap if you were capable of feeling embarrassment.
Scholars and philosophers try to agree on, or at least define, the meaning of the terms they use. Politicians, journalists, and pundits not so much.
I doubt that Harris or Cooper could define the term “fascist,” yet they use the term, evidently assuming it to be a synonym for “dictator.” But there is no consensus among those who have studied “fascism” regarding what a “fascist” might be, as anyone who has read the literature knows.
When they use the term dictator, it is not clear if they are referring to the Roman dictator, who was given extraordinary powers during a crisis or a modern dictator, who might seize power on an island in the Caribbean and rule with the help of the Ton Ton Macoute or overthrow the Spanish Republic, align his new regime with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, and ally his country with the United States after 1945. Certainly, they do not mean tyrants, who were Greek . . . .
Authoritarian is a term without a clear meaning coined by Adorno & friends during the late 1940s. In search of an ‘authoritarian personality’ susceptible to “fascism,” they settled on a model so flawed that it applied more to physicians and housewives than to actual “fascists.”
The term ‘fascist’ was coined by Mussolini & friends, who came from the left of the political spectrum, embraced corporatism, and replaced political parties with the (deep?) State. Fascists differed from Nazis, who also came from the left (NSDAP/National Socialist German Workers Party), in a number of ways. For example, while the Fascists saw nationality as a cultural and political question, the Nazis viewed it as a racial question, a crucial difference.
So what sort of “fascist” do Cooper and Harris have in mind? The 1919 variety, which included revolutionary syndicalists, anarchists, and the conductor Toscanini; those like Giuseppe Bottai, who set out a cultural Fascism and embraced a corporate system of government; or those who joined the Fascist Party because it assured them a career?
It would be helpful if rather than engaging in name-calling, Harris & her supporters in the media would discuss policy, explain why the administration of which she was an integral part failed to do in the past all the things she now promises to do in the future, and stop making ad hominem attacks, which is an admission that they have lost the argument.
An Old Guy,
Thank you for that very interesting comment.
I agree with you concerning if Harris would discuss policy but after CNNs town hall, name calling is all she has to run on. You know it is bad when even Democrat strategist and advisor to Obama David Axelrod called it “word salad city.”
“ignoring the safeguards in our system against authoritarian power.”
Not so fast, Jonathan. You dont even mention WHY people trust Trump more than Kamala.
Its because SHE was involved in the Democrats plans to do just that. And the difference is, it wasnt Republicans falsely claiming what the Democrats would do. The Dems announced it. They tried and still want to:
Abolish the filibuster and then:
1. Add 2 blue states and 4 Dem Senators
2. Pack the Supreme Court with liberal activists
3. Pass any and all legislation they choose, whether constitutional or not, with their newly packed scotus to approve it, including abolishing the electoral college and the green new deal.
Bye bye safeguards. Only Joe Manchin stood in their way when Kamala and friends attempted this. He should go down in history as the man who saved a nation.
This is why they started yapping about “threat to democracy” 3 years ago. To distract from their own failed intentions.
“Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free”
Thank you Jonathan Turley”
When Churchill said that the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with a voter, this is the sort of stuff he contemplated — irrationality run amok.
Now having agreed with the good professor over this utterly overblown rhetoric and fantasy, I have to take exception, once again, to his characterization of the 2020 election. Despite a number of extremely suspicious statistical and observational oddities and other unusual goings-on, no one audited anything, nor actually adjudicated anything and many fought vigorously against any investigation. Moreover, many of the same people now engaged in this bout of mental illness, over Trump, are the very ones telling us the 2020 election was the cleanest in history despite all safeguards against voting and election shenanigans having been removed over the COVID hysteria. In fact, many of them worried about the election until their candidate won. Should have done a thorough debunking back then, but many people were afraid of what they might learn.
To quote one of the current candidates: “Mr. Turley, do you listen to yourself?”
Dang, I wish we’d get rid of this ability to post as “anonymous”, I just did it accidentally. I own my comments.
To your point… at how many precincts did this happen and no court wondered about it?
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/8de221d3-12a7-4309-8caa-0e37284eaeea
What a crowd! And what do Michael Cohen, Liz Cheney, Whoopi Goldberg, Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have in common that gives them such a crystal clear insight into ‘threats to democracy’? Nothing. That is, of course, unless you use the criteria of who not buy a used car from unless accompanied by ironclad warranty. What do they have in common? Media coverage….and that says it all.
PS. Rest assured AOC, stupidity is not a jailable offense so you are safe for now. However, that may change under President Harris as we ‘become unburdened by what has been’ in terms of pesky definitions.
“. . . the growing hysteria among press and pundits proclaiming the imminent end of democracy if Kamala Harris is not elected.” (JT)
The D’s can’t convince people to vote for them via policies, ideas, arguments. Their candidate is a buffoon whose sentences lead to nowhere, and who (quite rightly) is afraid of her own shadow.
So what’s left? A frenzy of fear. That script was more believable in “Invasion of the Body Snatchers.”
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Yesterday (October 23rd) seemed to be just a lead up to TDS Stage 4 Awareness month, November!!!!!!! I watched a clip of MSNBC stating as fact that President Trump is Hitler, Musilini and Stalin all rolled into one…..
The Dems “tell” is: they accuse you of what they’ve done or what they going to do.
Politics, like comedy, to be effective it has to have some basis in reality. So the problem Democrats and Never-Trump Republicans have with this “Trump is_______,” (Fill in the blank, Hitler, Fascist, anti-Democracy, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-military , anti-veteran, etc) is that it has no ring of truth when describing Trump but makes absolute sense when describing Democrats.
First, we have four years of his Presidency to judge his leadership. Nothing he did remotely points to fascism.
Secondly, we have oodles of candid footage proving the genuine mutual affection and respect he has for all Americans.
Thirdly, he has a very close knit family and successful company with no shortage of intelligent and independent women with whom he also shares a mutual respect.
Fourth, it is this administration, including many never Trump Republicans who’ve demonstrated a penchant for using their power to attack political enemies.
Fifth, Trump constantly demonstrates trust and respect for the collective wisdom of the American people, as opposed to those in power now who conversely hold the American people in disdain, taking every opportunity to silence their critics, using the levers of power at their disposal.
Sixth, Trump, even though he was considered the de facto leader of the Republican Party, submitted himself to the rigorous process of the primary. Harris was the anointed candidate after the incumbent inexplicably dropped out for reasons no one was allowed to acknowledge and that he himself didn’t believe.
If this were sure to be a free and fair election, I have absolutely no doubt that Trump would win another term, having earned it.
But it’s becoming crystal clear that this administration and all of the bureaucrats standing in lockstep behind it have no intention of surrendering the reins to Trump. They have lost trust in their own electorate and, I believe, will act contrary to the very Constitution which they’ve pledged to protect and defend. They view Trump and those who support him as “domestic enemies” from whom they must protect America.
We are living in a very dangerous time. Pray, fast and prepare, for only the very Creator who granted us the blessings of Liberty can save this nation, if He finds us worthy.
So be worthy, my fellow Americans.
An Old American,
Great comment!!!
The time period between Trump’s election and inauguration are going to be dicey. The Democrats are pre-justifying their inevitable seizure of power in spite of the election results, “to save democracy”. Listen to the words coming out of their mouths, especially imbeciles like Raskin. They have no intention of allowing the mere loss of an election to interfere with their grip on power. The star officers in the military are unreliable. The manufactured and well-financed resistance will get so bad that martial law will be declared, and the Democrats will attempt to solidify their hold. Wholesale arrests and assassinations will follow. Will the people allow it? Only time will tell. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.
I think you’re seriously misreading the Dem leadership. After lambasting Trump’s unwillingness to acknowledge losing the EC vote in 2020 for 4 years, and bringing criminal charges of post-election interference, how are the Dems going to permit themselves to commit the same types of crime?
If Harris loses, the Dems will do what political parties normally do in the midst of loss…first point fingers of blame (Russian meddling — again!). But then serious self-assessment begins (“Where can we address our negatives?”)
Bwahahahahahaha
The dems cant do what they accuse others of???
Where the F have you been the last twenty years???
You say the funniest things, pea brain in california.
@ Pbinca: “Trump’s unwillingness to acknowledge losing the EC vote in 2020 for 4 years,”
There was so much evidence of corruption and so many people believing the election was criminally stolen; why do you focus on Trump? He is one of a large portion of the country that thinks this. There is plenty of solid evidence for corruption, but that evidence hasn’t been disproven.
Today, Democrats refuse all sorts of ways to guarantee a fair election. They even sue states for removing illegal immigrants from the voter rolls.
No Democrats are willing to debate the questions of the 2020 election because they know significant criminality occurred.
Will you disprove corruption in the 2020 election? NO! Nor will you prove your claims against Trump. TDS represents how you manage all these matters.
To your point, Meyer
A new Public Affairs Council/Morning Consult poll found that Americans are concerned about the integrity of the 2024 elections, with just over one-third (37%) believing the elections will be both honest and open to all eligible voters.
Two thirds of Americans think the fish stew is rotten, DESPITE the insistance of the regime and the press that it’s PERFECT.
Pea brain in Califronia has Svelaz syndrome. Just say stupid crap, and purport it as fact, despite all evidence to the contrary.
* the future doesn’t have citizens ..
If you understood the founders long ago built a structure for a nation that was ordained by a creator. It says it plain as day. For several centuries it was thought the creator built the USA. The founders were his handymen.
Let’s at least remember that …
A nutsy reply that makes no sense.
pbinca hopefully posted: I think you’re seriously misreading the Dem leadership.
pbinca, you’re seriously misreading the level of credibility you have here. Or maybe you’re engaged in hopeful wishing?
You out yourself, Biden/Harris/Democrat apparatchik. Starting with pushing the Democrat Big Lie that 2020 was the most transparent fair election ever – while the FBI/Democrats Social Media worked together to hide news of the Biden Bribery Laptop from voters, while Democrats unconstitutionally changed state election laws, and Zuckerburg dumped nearly half a billion dollars into battleground state districts that were reliable Democrat voting to get out the Democrat vote.
how are the Dems going to permit themselves to commit the same types of crime?
Ah yes! The ol’ Democrat “but our Democrats delivered on their election promises to convict him: he’s a convicted criminal!” (while we pretend we don’t notice the guy in the White House we voted for was taking bribes and peddling influence from the White House before Trump ever got in office)
Your Democrat thought leaders were committing those crimes long before you had Trump as your excuse to continue committing them. Will you claim ignorance?
That you aren’t aware that Obama/Clinton/Biden/the DNC illegally hired and paid a Putin spy under investigation for espionage to write your “Trump Russia Dossier”? That you aren’t aware that not a single one of the Democrats from the Obama administration who went before FISA to perjure themselves and utter false documents to get illegal spy warrants has ever been charged for doing that multiple times.
But then serious self-assessment begins
What are the chances you’ll do such an assessment regarding your credibility? Having opposing opinions is one thing – being a propagandist for Democrat lies and an advocate for Democrat police state fascism is where your credibility dies stillborn.
Do human better, Kalifornia Girl.
Excellent post, Airborne. You served Pbinca a dish she justly deserved.
Well, yeah, that’s the impression. Trump is being labeled a Hitler sure to destroy democracy who must be locked up. Or worse. So it would seem they’re setting the stage for something very very undemocratic.
And rightfully so. Trump is ineligible under 14A3 and SCOTUS said that it is up to Congress to enforce that.
And having the central authoritarian congress arm denying the will of the people is an example of Trump ending “democracy” how, exactly?
To put it simply, sammy the idiot who thinks he knows all,
Why dont you tell us under what Constitutional authority 18 USC 2383 was written?
WHAT EXACTLY, gave Congress the power to enact a statute that can deny someone the right to run for office in the Sovereign State of GA, simply because the federal govt convicted them of insurrection??? The 10th Amendment says they have no such power, unless it is embedded in the Constitution? So where in the Constitution does Congress have that power???
14A3
There was no insurrection. The 14A3 does not apply. Never has.
Hmmm. All out illegal effort to overturn an election. Seems applicable to me. But it is Congresses decision to make.
If that is what you think is an “All out illegal effort to overturn an election.” you probably should see a psychiatrist. And dont forget,
Bombshell transcripts: Trump urged use of troops to protect Capitol on Jan. 6 , but was rebuffed
“Key lawmaker says interviews prove Pentagon wrongly allowed optics to overwhelm security concerns in lead-up to fateful day. The Pentagon’s top brass did not comply with Trump’s orders because of political concerns and “optics.”
https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/bombshell-transcripts-trump-urged-use-troops-protect-capitol-jan-6-was?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
Facts Sammy. Facts.
Upstate, I’m sure you realize folks like Sammy are absolutely immune to any effort to snap them out of their state of demoralization. Remember the words of Yuri Bezmenov: A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I showered him with [authentic proof] he will refuse to believe it.
Demoralization being Step 1. In my opinion, we are somewhere between Step 3 and Step 4.
2. Destabilization
In this stage, the fundamentals of the targeted population’s economy, political system, and culture would be attacked, while the demoralized population could not mount much of a defense.
Subverter does not care about what the target population does. What matters is the essentials: economy, foreign defense systems, energy, etc.
3. Crisis
Some event or events that cause an intra-national crisis. Crisis is exploited for the gain and eventual normalization of the subverter.
4. Normalization
Cynical expression. The misery is “the new normal”. The subversive, degenerate culture is now the “normal” culture. Control by tyrants is “normal”.
No, moron. 14A5.
14A3 doesnt give Congress any power. You tried to claim it gave the Maine SoS power, LMAO.
Jeezus you are stupid. 14A3 merely stated what the penalty was, it did not assign the power to enforce it. 14A5 did.
But be that as it may, Congress ALREADY enforced 14A3 in accordance with 14A5 and YOU just admitted it.
18 USC 2383
All you need is a conviction.
Now you can go back to acting like a spastic idiot.
Not in the slightest. This is no different then declaring the EC vote the winner over the popular vote, or setting the minimum age to 35. That is how the constitution sets up the system. Recognizing that 14A3 disqualifies Trump is just following the constitution.
Why dont you answer my question, Sammy? What gave Congress the power to enact 18 USC 2383?
Congress enforced 14A3, you imbecile. By LEGISLATION, as required by 14A5.
18 USC 2383
Sorry Sammy Metamucil, once again, your morning turd dont float.
* HEADS UP John Say, Old Man from Kansas, Meyer, Old Airbourne Dog, a few others, read what Sammy has written.
How can anyone deal with that paragraph demonstrating a total lack of understanding.
Still pushing that lie?
And rightfully so. Trump is ineligible under 14A3 and SCOTUS said that it is up to Congress to enforce that.
Is that you Liz Cheney? That looks like a verbatim quote.
Or is it you Sammy, and The First Felon Crackhead Kid spent last night in your crib on a Tinder date? Your favorite Democrat hit man Jack Smith has indicted Trump for insurrection?
“The time period between Trump’s election and inauguration are going to be dicey”
If Trump manages to have coat-tails in either House or Senate elections, the critical period will be from November 6 to January 2, since the new Congress will be seated on January 3. I predict that the corrupt judge Merchan will sentence Trump to prison time on Wednesday, November 6, and that Demons in Congress will attempt to use that to refuse to certify his election. That will only be the first of many attempts to prevent his inauguration, possibly culminating in another assassination attempt.