Washington State’s unofficial state motto has long been “Al-ki” which means either “bye and bye” or “by and by” in Chinook. The former meaning now seems official as Gov. Jay Inslee pushes for a “wealth tax.” Wealthy citizens are already saying bye to the state in anticipation of what one Democratic billionaire recently called a “boneheaded” move. The problem is that rich people can move. Unlike fixed assets like a mansion, they can take their wealth and taxes to other states without such laws.
The post from Senate Democrats supporting Senate Bill 5486 said, “The first $250 million of assessed value is exempted, meaning only the wealthiest people in Washington would pay the tax, including some of the wealthiest individuals in the world.”
I have previously written against wealth taxes from both constitutional and practical perspectives in the federal system. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.) has long been a proponent of wealth taxes and the Biden Administration supported the effort.
The Wharton Budget Model at the University of Pennsylvania found that Warren’s legislation would raise $2.7 trillion in revenue, but it would also reduce capital by 3.1%, depress average hourly wages by 1.2%, and reduce gross domestic product (GDP) by 1.2% in 2050.
It is part of an “eat the rich” pitch from liberal politicians and pundits.
When struggling in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) pledged a wealth tax, declaring that she was coming after “the diamonds, the yachts, and the Rembrandts too.” Then-New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio, another Democratic contender at the time, was barely registering in the polls when he promised that “we will tax the hell out of the wealthy.”
The federal constitutional problems are not barriers to the states. However, the effort to hammer the wealthy has never worked for states or countries. France previously saw a massive exodus after it attempted to clip the most wealthy and had to reverse its policies.
Putting aside expected legal challenges, Democratic donor Nick Hanauer criticized state Democrats for the push and said he had already spoken to the wealthiest citizens about fleeing the state.
“Even if it clears the legal, implementation & other challenges, it’s unlikely to raise much [money] given every wealthy person I’ve spoken to in the last few days has said they will leave the state. I believe them. Thoughtful taxes don’t actually drive people away, boneheaded taxes do.”
That is the problem with eating the rich . . . they have to stay put to be eaten. These wealthy individuals are already willing to pay some of the highest taxes in blue states for income. However, a wealth tax would expose their property to what is likely to become an irresistible target for politicians unwilling to make tough budget choices.
Of course, Washington could follow California in seeking a retroactive tax. Rather than try to keep the most wealthy citizens, it could seek to make them pay to leave the state like a giant Venus Flytrap.
We previously discussed the push in California to impose a retroactive tax on the many citizens and companies fleeing that state due to its high taxes and other problems. Warren wants to do the same nationally. So, if businesses are fleeing the country due to these policies, they would have to essentially pay for the freedom in a type of captivity tax. It is incredibly short-sighted. They need these businesses and they will not be able to coerce them into staying by trying to make it more expensive to leave.
The wealth tax campaigns combine fiscal negligence with political opportunism. Rather than imposing budgetary restraints and reducing budgets, Democrats promise to fleece the superrich. This short-term appeal is likely to cost the state dearly as the wealthy leave for less predatorial states.
You can stay in Washington state and get hit with a wealth tax or you can “bye and bye” and move out of the way. It appears that millionaires are already training with a financial expert in Washington to move out of the way of the wealth tax:
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. He is the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
over the entrance to the US National Archives is the phrase “What is Past is Prologue”. if only Democratic politicians would study the past before they decide to raise taxes on the millionaires and billionaires who can vote with their feet. here are just a few examples from the past
“In 2008, Maryland added four new income tax brackets, including a top rate of 6.25% on income over $1 million. (This is in addition to county income taxes, which average 2.98%.)
As we and others have noted before, the Comptroller of Maryland has reported that the number of “millionaire” returns tumbled sharply between 2007 and 2008, a 30% drop in filers and 22% drop in declared income. Rather than income taxes from this group rising by $106 million, they fell by $257 million.”
https://taxfoundation.org/blog/marylands-millionaires-missing-after-income-tax-hike/
“”Taxman” is a song by English rock band the Beatles, from their 1966 album Revolver. Written by the group’s lead guitarist, George Harrison, with some lyrical assistance from John Lennon, it protests against the higher level of progressive tax imposed in the United Kingdom by the Labour government of Harold Wilson, which saw the Beatles paying a 95% supertax. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxman
“Last month, during a routine review of New Jersey’s finances, one could sense the alarm. The state’s wealthiest resident had reportedly “shifted his personal and business domicile to another state,” Frank W. Haines III, New Jersey’s legislative budget and finance officer, told a State Senate committee. If the news were true, New Jersey would lose so much in tax revenue that “we may be facing an unusual degree of income tax forecast risk,” Mr. Haines said.”
nytimes.com/2016/05/01/business/one-top-taxpayer-moved-and-new-jersey-shuddered.html
sadly the man return to NJ in 2020
“New York has lost 10 billionaires in the last four years — three of whom fled to Florida — leaving tax coffers lighter by tens of millions of dollars annually.
This year 62 New York-based billionaires appeared on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest Americans, compared to 72 in 2019 and 65 last year.
Investor and Washington Commanders owner Josh Harris, whose net worth was valued at $5.7 billion last year, has grown his fortune to $6.9 billion — but he packed his bags for Florida.'”
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ypost.com/2023/11/11/metro/new-york-loses-10-billionaires-in-four-years-as-magnates-flee-for-florida/
“‘Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ‘”
What makes Washington State think that if they raise taxes on the wealthy that they will get a different result from what has happened in the past
Today’s MAGA indoctrination piece is to get the disciples to feel sorry for wealthy people who might have to pay more taxes–all setting the stage, of course, for President Musk to pass massive tax cuts for the wealthiest, paid for by cuts to entitlement programs and more debt. President Musk will have to raise the debt ceiling, and the national debt will explode. From “Fox News”: “Interest on the U.S. national debt has grown so rapidly that it is now consuming nearly half of all individual personal income taxes.
So far this fiscal year, about 39 cents of every dollar paid in individual income taxes has gone toward paying down the interest on the debt, according to new calculations published by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
The problem may soon get worse.
“If federal finances continue on their current path, we are only a few years from the entirety of income taxes being needed to finance the debt,” said EJ Antoni, a research fellow at the right-leaning Heritage Foundation.”
None of this is taking into consideration spending for rounding up millions of migrants and building the hundreds of concentration camps to hold them or the cost for deportation–more costs that aren’t in the budget. Excerpted from a 7/30/24 piece from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy:
“Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).’
So if millions of migrants are deported, this tax revenue goes away. Then, there’s Trump’s no tax on tips, overtime or Social Security payments, which drive up the national debt by more billions. We are headed for an economic disaster because Trump is ignorant about economics and won’t listen to anyone who knows more than he does. He made stupid, baseless promises just to get votes and doesn’t care about the economic impact.
But, hey, President Musk and his fellow billionaires will grow richer and the rest of us can go to hell.
The Migrants should migrate back to their own home country.
Democrats, Main Stream & Social Media Mantra: Lie, cheat, steal, blame someone else, deny, deny, deny, and repeat!!!
Everything the Democrats touch turns to crap…
Democrat Motto: We’re not happy ‘till you’re not happy…
Please share with us one problem Biden has solved…
The Democrats love their Double Standard…
Democrats Believe that ALL Americans are stupid…
What has the Biden Administration done that’s improved your life?
Democrats idea of Democracy: No Primary, No Policies, No Press Conferences.
Kamala Harris failed to meet the low standards she set for herself.
Kamala Harris is absolutely the worst Vice President in U. S. History.
Kamala Harris doesn’t possess the minimum skillset to be President.
These are the reasons I voted for Trump.
top 1% pay 47% of income taxes
The bottom 40% skate free.
“A new Tax Policy Center analysis finds about 72.5 million households, or roughly 40 percent, will pay no federal income tax this year. That is significantly fewer than the 59.3 percent at the height of the pandemic-driven recession in 2020 and even down a few percentage points from pre-pandemic levels of between 42 percent and 43 percent.”
https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tpc-number-those-who-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-drops-pre-pandemic-levels
Gee, guess we’ll need to move to 💯 employment and cut all those social programs. Bummer. Employment age decrease to 16 years old. 2 years of high school only unless aptitude in math and science. Bummer
Wrong. Again. No one is feeling sorry for rich people. We are all just laughing at the Democrats as they continue to drive people out of their states with all their failed policies. Look at failed cities like San Fran CA. What was once a great, successful city is now looks more like a third world country. People who can afford to leave are not just rich people but the middle class too. They all know failed Democrat policies are costing them so they up and leave. IRS data shows that to be true.
Far better than millionaire illiterate dementia patients and their families growing richer through kickback deals while the rest of us watch the White House receptionists and restroom janitors conduct policy, and make international diplomacy decisions. Musk doesn’t have to steal, accept bribes, or hand out payoffs to other countries so they keep their mouths shut.
And then there’s President Soros who has been running the DNC and buying Marxist District Attorney’s who arrest the innocent and turn loose the criminals across the country.
* a special homage (omage) to Fani Willis . She spent a million tax dollars on a worthless charge creating a job for her boyfriend while corpses rotted with maggots in Fulton county jails. Are Georgians certain she was re-elected? What could possibly be more derelict than that? Child abuse before SCOTUS as medical care? I guess…unbelievable.
Far better than millionaire illiterate dementia patients and their families growing richer through kickback deals while the rest of us watch the White House receptionists and restroom janitors conduct policy, and make international diplomacy decisions. Musk doesn’t have to steal, accept bribes, or hand out payoffs to other countries so they keep their mouths shut.
And then there’s President Soros who has been running the DNC and buying Marxist District Attorney’s who arrest the innocent and turn loose the criminals across the country.
Great. Now this thing has the double post syndrome again…
Did you ever see a poor person hire someone?
No Gigi – this is not about feeling sorry for the uber Rich.
This is about the idiotic harmful consequences of left wing nut stupidity.
Almost no one cares about govenrment confiscating 3% of the Wealth of Musk.
But they do care about the consequences of that.
What happens when the Musks, the Bezo’s, the Buffets, or just the guy who poured his life into building a 100M company say “Screw it all. I am doing fine, I will slow down or stop.”
There is an 80/20 rule that applies recursively to nearly everything.
20% of people are responsible for 80% of what is produced, while 80% of people are responsible for 20% of what is produced.
Recursively – so of the 20% that produce 80% – 20% of them produce 80% of the 80% and so on.
I would note this is true of most anything that distributes on a bell curve.
80% of the greatest music is produced by 20% of musicians – recursively, such that only a tiny handful of musicians consistently produce most great music over decades.
The same is true of athletes.
If you get rid of Mohamed Ali, or the Beatles, or Mozart, or Musk – someone will do something. But what they produce WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Conversley if you get rid of one of the 80% – no one will notice.
Musk is inarguably the greatest investor of our time. Not in the sense that he is some wall street stock Guru.
But that more so than anyone else he knows how to direct money and effort to make the future better.
While it is probable that StarLink, SpaceX, Tesla, PayPal all would have happened in some form without Musk.
That would be decades later and it would take longer before the benefits reached us.
Allen, Bezos, Branson – the other Billionaries in the race to space would each have ultimately gotten where Musk has.
But not as quickly. If Starlink was a decade later – Ukraine would be overrun by Russia right now.
Most of what is going to space right now is being transported by SpaceX – which has reduced the cost to put things in space by a factor of 100,
As Starship becomes viable that increases to a factor of 1000. What is going up cheaper and faster – weather satellites, communications satellites,
internet services,GPS. mapping satellites, surveillance satellites. and on and on.
The world is more prosperous and safer because of Musk. Without Musk – we would still get their – eventually.
The trade off for your targeting the best most successful investors in the world is less of that great investment.
We will probably get there eventually – it is possiable as we see in Cuba and Venezeuala for you to screw it up so badly we drift backwards.
Warren claims her Wealth tax will produce 3.7T over 10 years – that is total poppycock. The reality is that tax revenues will go down.
But lets presume that she is correct. What do you estimate the economic harm from reduced investment will be ?
Because 99.999% of the wealthj of uber wealthy people is invested – it is in making SpaceX or Starlink, or Amazon, or Apple, or Microsoft.
Over 10 years the economic impact of a 1% reduction in investiment will likely dwarf the revenue the government collects.
The 80/20 or paretto principle I cited above. Means that the real improvements at the world ALL happen at the tails – with the 20% of the 20% of the 20% …
Merely slow them down and everything else slows down, standard of living rises more slowly – if at all.
Musk is poorer than he would have been otherwise – but he will not notice.
But the rest of us will ALL be a little bit poorer. And that will dwarf anything from government.
Musk has gone from nearly nothing to $400B in about 30 years. No other “investor” has done that. But other in the top 0.00001% have been very successful.
Bezos took longer and is only half as successful. But the benefit that earned Bezo’s his wealth is clearly to all of us.
The return on investment the economic gain from each dollar that Bezos and Musk spend is incredible.
Robert Barro has collected similar data on govenrment for many decades – on the US government and the entire OECD.
The best government does is about 80% efficiency in spending during war. That means for every $1 that govenrment spends on War there is an ecaonimc gain of $0.80.
The norm is closer to 0.25-0.35. Put differently for every $1 that government spends it HARMS the economy by $0.65-0.76
There is no doubt that govenrment “investment” results in benefits.
There is also no doubt that the benefits are far less than the costs.
That is the exact opposite of the Musks and the Bezo’s
So even if there was absolutely no change – if Musk and Bezo’s continued to do what they do, and did not try to evade wealth taxes.
And did not reduce their productivity by anything beyond the $3.7T that Warren plans to steal from them.
The Benefits from spending Warren’s $3.7T woud only be about $1T and the lost benefits from Musk, … not spending that $3.7T would be about $10T.
So the US would be about $10T less well off as a result of Warren’s wealth tax.
You keep making claims that we KNOW are false.
Since WWII US Federal tax revnue has consistently been about 18.5% of GDP – on RARE occasions it has increased to 21% and dropped to 16%.
But whether the tax rates on the rich have been 90% or 35% the revenue to the federal govenrment has tracked GDP – not tax rates.
There is a reason for this – our overall taxes are above the revenue optimizing maximum. That means that tax increases do not bring in more revenue because they slow the economy.
And tax decreases increase government revenue because they grow the economy.
Contra the left – pretty much every federal Tax Cut since Reagan has grown the economy and either increased federal revenue or atleast not decreased it.
To be clear – all tax cuts and increases are NOT the same. changes to tax rates on the middle and working class have FAR less positive or negative impact on the economy – and govenrment revenues.
This may not be what any of us WANT to be true – but it is with absolute economic certainty true. Corporate tax rates, upper margin tax rates, Welaht taxes and investiment tax changes have DRAMATIC economic impact. Middle class and working class tax rates have negligible economic impact.
Stop inflation increase growth and decrease taxes on investment – and government revenue will increase not decrease.
As to Government debt – AGAIN the federal government will take in about 18.5% of GDP – absent reductions in tax rates far more radical than Trump proposes.
The Federal government does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem.
The ONLY way to actually boost federal revenue is to grow the economy.
To do that you must:
Deregulate,
cut taxes on investment.
cut government spending.
Gigi,
I found it incredibly difficult not to spray you with incredibly negative remarks about your intelligence.
It is like you were educated by Trolls in the forrest.
How did we get this incredible debt ?
Could it have been trough the LEFT’s Ignorant spending programs ?
Do those of you on the left even beleive what you write ?
Purportedly the NHS, Canadian system and the various European healthcare systems cost about 1/2 what the US healthcare system does.
Yet Medicare costs 95% of what private US healthcare costs, gives poorer service and is subsidized by alteast 5% by the US healthcare system – further drug prices throughout the world are heavily subsidized by the US healthcare system.
Do you understand that means YOUR government systems are F@#Ked up and rediciulously expensive ?
Medicare is on YOU. At the very least you have to admit that the US Medicare system – that YOU created, and that YOU want to provide to everyone is nearly twice as expensive as other purportedly left wing nut systems throughout the world. Of course this ignores the fact that though there are many issues with other healthcare systems throughout the world,
in point of FACT most of them are MORE free market than the US.
Regardless at the very least Left Wing nuts in the US have done much WORSE than those in Europe or Canada.
I would note the same is true of ALL US “entitlements” – Only France spend more in social safgety net spending as a percent of GDP than the US.
In spending Per Capipta PPP adjusted the US ranks 10th globally – but those European Countries that you purportedly love – only BARELY spend more per capita than the US.
So Even if you fawn over the european social democracies by YOUR critieria – american left wing nuts have delivered $hittier services for about the same amount of money per person.
The European left has failed – they have destroyed their own economic growth,
But the american left wing is some how far stupider – while they have not YET destroyed US economicy growth – not that they have not tried – US growth under Obama was a pathetic 1.4% and after adjusting for inflation it could well be net negative under Obama.
Regardless you have constructed a social safety net in the US that is CRAP compared to those european countries you fawn over, while costing very nearly as much.
In the US – we have nearly 7T in spending in 2024
https://executivebiz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/03/25/80/3c/e8/5c/9a/f5/24/6.9-Trillion-FY-2024-Proposed-Budget-by-Category.png
US Tax Revenue was very nearly constant at a bit over $4T/yr from 2016-2020 It rose by almost $1T from 2020-2022 – pretty much entirely the results of Inflation
Net inflation was 20% – net Revenue increase under Biden was 20%. But post the 2022 Peak Federal Revenue has DROPPED again – probably because the economy is in recession which is being hidden by inflation.
Regardless all that is necescary to balance the Budget is to spend just under $5T instead of just under 7T.
in 2015 Spending was 4.89T. in 2019 it was 5.45T. We spent an extra $2T in 2020 as Covid Stimulus – that was a huge Mistake – you can blame Trump for that.
All we needed to do was NOTHING – no lockdowns no stupid covid policies that did not work, and the economy would have continued fine and needed no stimulus.
But even so – that should have been a ONE TIME stimulus in response to a ONE TIME economic mistake – shutting the country down.
It is now 2024 – and spending is nearly 7T. 2T more than in 2019.
Balancing the budget is trivially easy – DO NOT KEEP INCREASING SPENDING.
BTW 2024 interest on the debt is $789B – that is barely over 10% – not 39%. If inflation stays high and interest rates stay high – debt service COULD consume nearly 40% of spending – but we are not there yet.
Where does the Federal Government revenue come from ?
The largest single component – $2.45T is individual income taxes and 98% of that is paid by the Top 50% of wage earners int he US. Not the poor, not the working class and only half the middle class.
Illegal Immigrants. NOT Undocumented – that is more stupid left wing 1984 newspeak.
We are talking about immigrants who entered the US illegally in violation of US laws. Not people who forgot their passports.
In many case these are WELL DOCUMENTED illegal immigrants. Under Biden then can download an APP and apply for benefits in the US.
Very very few are “undocumented” – meaning we have no idea who they are a=or even that they are here. And THOSE are the ones we want out the most.
Those that crossed illegally and went to great pains to NOT be documented, to not apply for benefits or asylum or work permits – those are the criminals, and the terrorists.
It is specifically the “undocumented” that we want out of here the most.
Why in the name of god would you buy idiocy from “Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy”
You cite dubious numbers on the Taxes paid by illegal immigrants. But you fail to note that FEMA alone is paying $152B/yr for illegal immigrant “emergency services”
And this is why they needed $100B more in the just past CR to deal with NC and other natural diaasters – because they wasted their budget on illegals.
This does not count the fact that cities and states are themselves paying BILLIONS for services for Illegals.
I beleive Mayor Adams has said that NYC alone is spending $5B/yr on illegal immigrants.
During the Obama and Biden administrations ICE was able to deport a peak of 1.4M illegals a year on their current budget.
Shut down the border, so that we are not getting 4M+ illegal immigrants per year, and let ICE do their job WITHOUT funding increases and in several years all the illegal immigrants will be gone.
Right now there are 1.3M illegal immigrants with deportation orders signed and sealed, all that is necescary to deport them is for ICE to take them into custody.
They have exhausted legal options.
NEXT END the nearly $200B/year spent on illegals by the local. state and federal governments, and between that and the threat of deportation – the majority will go home without deportation.
You can make that even more likely by increasing the number of legal immigrants in the US per year fom 1M to 2M.
Remember if you caught as an illegal immigrant in the US – you will NEVER be allowed back into the country legally.
While if you are here illegally, leave, and then try to get in legally – you stand some chance of being allowed in legally.
Regardless we are already seeing drops in the number trying to cross the border – because Mexico is terrified of Trump tarrifs, and we are already seeing a rise in self deportations in anticipation of Trump.
Gigi I will make a trivially simple proposal regarding dealing with the deportation of illegal immigrants.
Cut ALL federal spending on services FOR illegal immigrants.
Use a TINY portion of the savings to “build the wall”.
Leave the US budget for dealing with CBP and ICE exactly as it is now – Trump gets no additional money.
But Trump, Holman, CBP and ICE can reallocate their current funding as they see fit to accomplish the tasks they face – including deportation.
The Trump administration can deport as many illegal immigrants as they can figure out how to do so on the money they currently have.
My POINT is that you do not get to tell the rest of us that something can not be done because the way YOU think it will be done YOU guess will cost too much.
I would NOTE that YOU have already made it possible for Trump to spend $152B to deport illegal immigrants.
FEMA ‘s budget is EMERGENCY expenditures. YOU have allocated $152B in emergency funds to dealing with illegal immigrants.
Trump uses DOD emergency funds to fund building the Wall in his first term – and the supreme court upheld Trump’s power based on laws passed by congress to redirect emergency funding from one emergency to another.
Without any increase in budget or change in the law, Trump can transfer the 152B in FEMA illegal immigrant emergency funding to emergency deportation.
Gigi,
For the record The current Biden administration employment claims do NOT support YOUR claims.
Acorrding to the Biden administration less than 500K illegal immigrants in the US have jobs that are on the record – that involve paying taxes.
It is probably the Biden administration is lying – but not by a factor of 3.
You clearly know very little about employment in the US.
To get a legal job in the US you must provide your employer with two forms of ID, and a social security number.
There is an everify system that employers use that verified that the SS# provided belongs to the name and ID provided.
If they do not – you do not get hired. Evn after that – if you have forged ID and a matching SS#, your payroll taxes are reported tot he state and federal government at the very longest quarterly. If two or more people are using the same SS # to work SS flags that and the employer gets notified.
Typically it is impossible for an illegal immigrant to work through normal employment for more than 9months without getting caught. Often it is only 3 months.
Illegal immigrants do NOT take jobs where they pay taxes for exactly this reason – they will get caught and deported.
They typically take jobs where taxes are NOT collected and reported.
In the US you can call yourself a business. Say Hosea’s Gardening, you can sell your services to homeowners of businesses – homeowners are better – because EVERYONE must report payments of more than 600/yr. But the overwhelming majority of individuals DO NOT and the IRS is just not going to audit millions of taxpayers to find the guys paying a Venezuelan gardner or nanny. While abusiness that fails to report what it is paying a garner will get caught and pay huge fines.
The above btw is the SIMPLE means of circumventing employment reporting laws. There are far more complicated ways to do so.
But the most important point in this is that the illegals employed these ways DO NOT PAY TAXES – because if they did, they will get caught.
Any source that you are using that claims that large amounts of tax revenue will be lost is assuming that businesses that “employ” illegals ARE following the law AND that local, state and federal govenrment are NOT following the law.
Illegal immigrants working under fake documentation do not get caught – but only because they do not continue to work at the same place very long.
Gigi,
you and your sources are oblivious to how the law works in the US.
I addressed the stupidity of your claims regarding employment taxes.
The average sales tax in the US is about 6^ – many states have no sales tax at all.
It is always wise to test claims with simple back of the envelope sanity tests.
If there are 21N illegal immigrants in the US today, and 100% of them have jobs (it is likely more like 1/4)
and they are making 20K/yr (it is more like 12K). and 25% of their income is used for purchases that are subject to sales tax – in most places rent and food and many other ordinary expenses are not subject to sales tax, and the average sales tax rate is 6% that is a total collected sales tax for the entire US of a MAX of $6.8B
That is slightly more than the LOSSES that NYX experiences every year as a result of uncompensted services to illegal immigrants.
As to property taxes – they are NOT paid by renters – they are paid for by property owners. They are based on the last assessed value of the property – something addressed – badly by Judge Enmoron in the James trial. Property assessments are NOTORIOUSLY low, most everywhere in the US. Nor is that changing.
My taxes on my home are based on an assessment from the purchase price of the home 20+ years ago. That assessment has not changed and will not likely change anytime soon – despite the fact that Zillow estimates my home is worth 5 times what I paid for it. It will not change – because if it did taxpayers would revolt. I could not afford to pay property taxes 5 times my current rates, and I am millions of other property owners will vote out of office any democrat or republican who merely mentions raising property taxes.
Property taxes are a sacred cow better protected than Social Security.
Businesses are not as well protected from property tax increases – but still fairly well.
I noted that my home tax rate was set by the value I paid for my house 20+ years ago when I bought it.
15 years ago I bought a rental property. The municipality did NOT change my property tax based on the sale of the property.
My property taxes on that property are based on an assessment more than 40 years ago – the value of the property is nearly 10 times what it was then.
If my property taxes went up by a factor of 10 – my rents would more than double.
The point is that illegal immigrants have NOTHING to do with property taxes – or SCHOOL taxes – which are another property tax im most of the country.
CONTRA your cliams most places see TINY increases int ax revenues as a result of illegal immigrants, but MASSIVE increases in costs.
More illegal immirants mean more students, more teachers, more schools that have to be built. But no more money to pay for them.
They mean more demand on water and sewer and no more money to pay for them.
They mean more demand on police, courts, and government services – and no more money to pay for them.
They mean more demand on hospitals and medical facilities and no more money to pay for them.
This is one of the reasons the Biden administration granted TEMPORARY residence status to some illegals – such as hatians.
That status will likely go away on Jan 20, 2025, Regardless the approximarly 1M (out of 21M) illegals that Biden granted temporary residence status ca legally work and pay EMPLYOMENT taxes – though that does not change property taxes, schools taxes or the dramatic costs increases to municiplaities.
But atleast SS, Medicare, and state and federal income taxes are collected. Though it is still unlikely that the tax revenues come close to paying the costs for services of the illegals with temporary residence status.
The FACT is that illegals are a LARGE NET LOSS to federal state and local government.
Gigi,
Beyond the fact that few illegals actually pay taxes.
Again as a sanity check lets assume they do and test whether that is net positive or negative.
In the US each person in the bottom Quintile generates a 24K/year DEFICT in total taxes collected vs, Total government services recieved.
The 2nd quintile has a 16K deficit. the 3rd Quintile has a 4K deficit, the 4th Quintil has a 10K surplus and the 5th quintil has a 50K surplus.
Adding more people to the bottom quintile – even people who pay taxes still COSTS 24K/year.
Unless illegal immigrants manage to rapidly join the 4th quintile – upper middle class they will on NET cost government more than they pay in taxes.
This is true whether they are legal or not. It is worse if they do not pay the full compliment of taxes.
So there is absolutely no possible situation in the US were more than a tiny fraction of illegal immigrants are net positive on taxes.
https://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/~/media/images/reports/2008/appam%20quintile%20paper/figure_4.jpg
Turley thinks idle threats to leave by the rich are actually real. They always threaten to leave until they find out they can afford it. Property taxes will still need to be paid and moving out of state is more expensive. They will have to spend more money traveling back to conduct business and retain supply chains.
The wealthy can afford it if they can afford expensive mansions and multiple homes. It’s just part of being wealthy.
* The very wealthy tend to also be very intelligent. They fled when Obama was elected. This isn’t the very wealthy. They’re gone. It’s the next in line.
They always come back. Because they find out property taxes are higher where they have “lower” taxes. Don’t forget insurance too. Florida had draconian insurance rates.
CA home insurance rates are so bad, entire companies have left the state, canceled policies, raising prices.
It is a bit more complex – CA’s rates/100K of home value are very low. But the price of CA homes is the highest in the country.
Home insurance per 100K is cheap in CA.
Home insurance for identical homes is as expensive or more expensive in CA as Florida.
Florida insurance rates are reflective of density population of Yankees building in coastal lowlands and hurricane impact areas. Property taxes are theft wherever you go, punitive measures for improving your own home and property to fund some bureaucracy pension plan.
Unfortunately they never come back so goes the brain drain. Bummer
That is why CA has lost over 2m people.
Different states have different ways of financing their govenrment.
But that does not mean that the cost that a person pays to fund state and local government is the same in all states.
NY, HI, VT, ME, CA, CT have the highest all factor tax burdens. All have atleast a 10% income tax.
AK, NK, WY, FL, TN m DE have the lowest tax burden.
TX has the 13th lowest tax burden.
BTW Nebraska has the highest home insurance rates for a 300K house in the country. FL is only the 2nd most expensive state.
California’s home insurance for a 300K home is dramatically less than FL
But the median home price in CA is 900k, the median home price in FL is 420K.
Bottom line is home insurance in CA and FL costs about the same, for the same home.
But the price of the home is much higher in CA.
* after that, you’ll be next in line?
Outmigration cost California $24B in departed incomes as poorer people move in
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/outmigration-cost-california-24b-departed-incomes-poorer-people-move
Not just failed Blue states like CA. Same thing is happening in NY, IL and other Blue states too.
California is a textbook example of the democrat-party parasites killing the “host.”
IRS data shows ‘Blue State Exodus’ over past 30 years
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3261219/irs-data-shows-blue-state-exodus-over-past-30-years/
Notice the part about “IRS” data.
Major blue states hemorrhaging tax base as red states reap rewards
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/major-blue-states-hemorrhaging-adjusted-gross-income-residents-flee-irs-data-shows
Turley thinks idle threats to leave by the rich are actually real.
George is here once again to insult and lie to his host Professor Turley by Speaking His Democrat Marxist Constitutional Truths.
Has Professor Turley ever posted a column here that George ever agreed with, that he didn’t obsessively race to claim that the Professor was wrong, and his alternative view of reality was right?
Despite being handicapped with his Dunning-Kruger Syndrome handicap, where he overestimates both his intelligence and his actual capabilities, George thinks that HE instead of Dennis should play the part of Moe the straight man.
Instead of Larry: the bumbling goof in The Three Democrat Stooges.
Old Airborne Dog
“Screaming Lil Bow Wow,” what were your MOS, Awards, Campaign, and Theater?
“Screaming Lil Bow Wow,” what were your MOS, Awards, Campaign, and Theater?
Tired of Anonymously harassing UpstateFarmer today with allegations he actually didn’t serve in the Marines, pedophile Gun Bunny?
Why not go to the Airsoft Quartermaster and ask to be issued a set of balls and a few inches of spine instead of hiding behind “Anonymous”?
Mewling cut like a marshmallow Airsoft Gravy Seal Team Six Sniper: explain to your fans here why you got probation and a Hunter Biden-style resignation from the military instead of a courts martial as a pedophile preying on the little boys among the base brats.
And what Airsoft MOS, Awards, Campaign and Theater decorations did you get during your service with the Airsoft Chairborne Commandos, little pedophile Airsoft Gun Bunny?
There must be a reason you will only post your crap each day to UpstateFarmer and myself using “Anonymous” as your user name. Clearly you’re terrified that your probation officer will find out you’re violating the prohibitions on you being on the internet as a known sex offender pedophile.
Old Airborne Dog
(that’s what a username looks like when you post, for your info, Anonymous pedophile Airsoft Gun Bunny. It’s not that hard if you actually had even a teeny, tiny set of Birthing Person balls and a few inches of spine)
11 Bravo, Combat Infantryman’s Badge (CIB)/Purple Heart/Viet Nam Service Medal, Cu Chi/Cambodian Incursion/25th Division, Vietnam
Answer the question.
Your posting as anonymous – how is anyone to tell if you are telling the truth.
All sounds fine – except that the rich ARE moving, in numbers significant enough to negatively impact the budgets of blue states and positively impact the Budgets of red ones.
Since I was a child we have seen a substantial net migration of weatlhy people from the UK to the US to avoid taxes.
We have seen smaller migrations of uber wealthy people from the US to places like Singapore – though mostly of people who already have ties to those countries.
We do not see more outmigration of the wealthy for tax reasons in the US because there are few first world countries with lower taxes than the US – mainly Singapore and Hong Kong and today people are leaving HK.
But we do see significant tax driven migration inside the US – both in the uber wealthy and among miffle and upper middle class people,
and even some in the working class – for high tax, high cost of living states to low tax, low cost of living states.
California is the garden of eden. It is rightly the most populous state because no place the size of california has the incredible environmnt of california,
the climate, the views, the ocean, and on and on and on. Much of the west coast is blessed – though not as much as CA. signifcant portions of Washinton are absolutely wonderful.
Beautiful and with moderate climates throughout the year.
And yet people are leaving.
Why pray tell is that George ?
People are leaving to go to places like TX or FL – which have far less pleasant climates.
When people move from paradise to Texas or Florida – they are leaving the garden of eden for someplace that is with certainty worse.
The uber wealthy are leaving. The middle class is leaving.
The left has done such a great job in California it is driving people out of paradise – millions of people.
Yes the wealthy can afford it.
They choose not to.
That is why they are wealthy.
They do not spend lots of money one expensive mansions in states with wealth taxes and high tax rates when they can build expensive meansions in places that do not have wealth taxes and high tax rates.
I doubt it would survive a challenge under the Washington State constitution’s tax uniformity clause.
Years ago Washington State was sane. Unfortunately the universities and then the bureaucracies and media were infected with ‘studies’ people, that is to say, with people paid to be nuts. The ‘new normal’ became insanity.
“Confucius Institute of the State of Washington”
“Mission:”
“The Confucius Institute of the State of Washington (CIWA) is committed to promoting intercultural understanding through Chinese language education, Chinese studies, educational exchanges, and community-based activities that facilitate cultural diversity across the State of Washington.”
(Interpreted as: Infiltration, spying, collusion, and Fang-Fang sweet potato pie!).
https://www.plu.edu/confucius-institute/
Another Biden business plank to build the stage for the farce that will be today’s Three Democrat Stooges Marxist slapstick comedy act, should Dennis, George, and Gigi choose. At least it would be somewhat on topic for a change.
Joe Biden Met With Hunter’s Business Associates More Times Than With His Cabinet
https://thefederalist.com/2024/12/20/joe-biden-met-with-hunters-business-associates-more-times-than-with-his-cabinet/
Interactions between Biden and many of his cabinet members were relatively infrequent and often tightly scripted. At least one cabinet member stopped requesting calls with the president, because it was clear that such requests wouldn’t be welcome, a former senior cabinet aide said. Cabinet members — including powerful secretaries such as Defense’s Lloyd Austin and Treasury’s Janet Yellen — were infrequent or became absent. Some legislative leaders had a hard time getting the president’s ear at key moments, including ahead of Biden’s disastrous pullout from Afghanistan.”
Devon Archer, the younger Biden’s former business associate, testified before a congressional committee last year that Hunter put his father, vice president at the time, on speakerphone nearly two dozen times while talking to overseas business contacts. Archer discussed Hunter’s involvement on the board of Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings and the hefty checks it wrote to a guy seemingly unqualified for the job. Archer and others have alleged Burisma and other “clients” were paying for the Biden “brand.” Aka, access to the vice president.
“Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it,” the New York Post reported, quoting from a readout from panel Republicans.
Archer talked about ‘the big guy’ and how Hunter Biden always said, ‘We need to talk to my guy,’ ‘We need to see when my guy is going to be here,’ and those types of things,” during his deposition in July 2023.
There were many more interactions between Vice President Joe Biden and his son’s other business associates, according to the laptop that the Biden presidency and Democrats in Congress with the accomplice media long claimed did not exist.
Biden met with his son’s Ukrainian, Russian, and Kazakhstani business customers at a famous D.C. establishment a few blocks from the Vice President’s office in 2015. The meeting, arranged by Hunter, took place at one of Georgetown’s most famous restaurants, Café Milano… Vadym Pozharskyi, an executive at the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, thanked Hunter for the introduction to his father.
“Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together,” Pozharskyi wrote in an email released by the New York Post weeks before the 2020 election.
Remember now: Please Believe Us, Don’t Believe Your Lying Eyes™
Old Airborne Dog
Elon Musk will be the acting president for the next 4 years.
This clearly means that Trump can run again in 2028.
Alito and Thomas are already drafting an opinion to support this plan.
Do you have proof of any of that?? Or are you just making stuff up again?
Elon Musk will be the acting president for the next 4 years.
The Democrat Bluesky Borg brain in all it’s collective Marxist intellectual magnificence!
Isn’t it magical how, almost as if on a prearranged cue, the Anonymous Democrat trolls here and the Soviet Democrat-Marxist Mainstream Media Propaganda Complex all start saying ‘Elon Musk will be the acting president for the next 4 years’ at almost the same minute!
Why is it that it’s only the feckless Democrats who cowardly post here as ‘Anonymous’ who have all the insider scoops on how Trump is guaranteed going to ban elective birth control abortions his first hour back in office, make Elon Musk president at the same time, etc?
Dear Anonymous Democrat: if you can predict the future, can you at least tell us who has been acting as president to cover for President Biden the last four years?
Inquiring Anonymous Democrat minds want to know!
How the White House Functioned With a Mentally And Physically Absent Biden in Charge
https://www.wsj.com/politics/biden-white-house-age-function-diminished-3906a839
Old Airborne Dog
Well good. It’ll be a change from dementia.
If so, at least Musk won’t be bought off by a bunch of eastern european nazis, CCP flunkies, and low-IQ “educated women.”
It’s womyn now. Well perhaps that’s singular, womyns must be the plural right? In the Shire it might be womynsess.
Let’s ask the super duper AI.
“if womyn is singular what is plural”
“AI Overview”
“Learn more”
“If “womyn” is considered singular, then the plural form would be “womyn” as well, as it is primarily used as a feminist alternative spelling for “women” where the plural is already implied within the word itself; essentially, “womyn” functions as both singular and plural in this context.”
“Key points about “womyn”:
Alternative spelling:
“Womyn” is an alternative spelling to “women” used by some feminists to avoid the association with the male-centric suffix “-men”.
“No distinct plural form:”
“Since “womyn” is meant to represent the plural concept of “women,” there is usually no separate plural form.”
If that were true would anyone outside of the left wing nut bubble care ?
The real good news is all these failed Democrat policies are great examples of failure. They put on their incompetence again and again for all to see. Sad part is, when they fail rather then learning their lesson in abject failure, some kind of self-reflection, most of the time they just double or triple down on their failure.
Just like Dennis, Gigi and the slow and dumb one does. It would be funny if it were not so sad.
NotReallyaFarmer, the “former” Marine, appears to be neglecting his livestock again today.
Poor, poor anonymoron. How does it feel to be such a failure and looser?
Want to see what winning looks like??? https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/12/02/22/92718815-14150497-image-m-110_1733178548746.jpg
NotReallyaFarmer, the “former” Marine, appears to be neglecting his livestock again today.
Expanding your Airsoft Chairborne Commando target list, little mewling Airsoft Gravy Seal Team Six Sniper? Now cosplaying that you were an actual Marine, not just an Airsoft Gravy Seal Sniper!
Hint: no real Marine would act like a castrated eunuch and only post Anonymously like the feckless coward that you are.
A real Marine would always post under one unique username. Something like ‘Upstate Farmer’
Old Airborne Dog
(see, it’s actually not that hard – unless you are a gelded eunuch who doesn’t even have an inch of spine)
Upstatefarmer, which “failed” policies are you talking about? Inflation is down, and gas prices have been steady for a few years now. Wages are up, and unemployment is low. Trump is coming into a solid economy, but he’s about to mess it up. He already tried that with his last-minute freakout over Johnson’s deal.
Biden Lied About Everything: Philly Fed Finds All Jobs “Created” In Q2 Were Fake
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/biden-lied-about-everything-philly-fed-finds-all-jobs-created-q2-were-fake
Inflation is cumulative. We are still paying for Bidenflation and we will be for years to come. Everything is more expensive since Bidenflation.
The Historic Failure of the Biden Administration
https://amgreatness.com/2024/12/08/the-historic-failure-of-the-biden-administration/
New Biden-Harris Medicare plan could cost taxpayers $20 billion in election-year giveaway, CBO warns
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/new-biden-harris-medicare-plan-could-cost-taxpayers-20-billion-over-next-three
Outmigration cost California $24B in departed incomes as poorer people move in
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/outmigration-cost-california-24b-departed-incomes-poorer-people-move
More Democrat failures.
* inflation is down? Are you in a prison somewhere where everything costs about the same?
Dear George,
Can you help me? I am but a poor old cripple, who desperately wants to grubhub some fried chicken in this morning, but can’t truly afford it. I would order something from WalMart, but they have not gotten the memo that inflation is down. My unsweet tea just went from $2 ish a jug, to $2.50 ish, and is now but a few pennies away from $3. I am sleepy, tired and cold, but I must once again hie myself to the electric skillet and fry up some eggs (nearly $4/dozen). Had to pass on bacon this week, and eat my frozen sausage patties, to save money until social security check comes in. Dying for some eggnog, but it is $4 per quart.
Sooo, could you write WalMart and let them know that inflation is down???
Thanking you in advance!
Floyd,
Yeah, the wife and I went to the grocery store yesterday. They too have not gotten the slow and dumb one’s memo either. We spent just over $100 and got just two, not even full bags of groceries. Back in the day, before Biden was sworn in, for $120 we could get a full cart of groceries. For some reason, some slow and dumb people just cannot understand that inflation is “cumulative.” But, that is probably why they are “slow and dumb.”
For me, you know what splurging is nowadays- it’s getting 3 bell peppers for about $3. I will get about a dozen servings from them when I fry them up with onions, tomatoes, and maybe okra. I still have some frozen cheap hamburger patties, from back when they were $9 for a dozen. Now, they are almost $12.
I am surviving OK, but I literally have to watch every single cent that I spend. I do my Walmart order up, and then I go back through it and eliminate anything that I can do without, in order to buy a couple of goodies, like Christmas cookies. Then, I feel guilty about the $5 box of cookies.
And I am better off than most. There are people who have lost their jobs and do not have a social security check to fall back on. Plus, I do not have to worry about a car, or car expenses. I would hate to be out in the workforce, and driving, and having to worry about a car repair, that could easily be $1,500 or more, for a basic type repair. Not to mention the car note, or car insurance.
Inflation is bad enough, but what happened to cars that a person could work on themselves???
What? NOT buying the 5 dollars EACH artichokes? Yep, they might have choked Arty but they ain’t choking me.
You are either lying or buying expensive “organic” prepared food at some boutique market.
I can fill a cart, 4 or 5 big bags, at WinCo for $40 to $50. Enough food for a family of 3 for a week.
No. That is just a fact of life nowadays. Like Floyd, we have to watch every cent. We buy a lot of cheap cuts of meat, cook it low and slow with root veggies and make that last for two or three meals.
So UpstateFarmer has to buy cheap food because that is all he can afford.
I thought farmers grow their own food.
You have previously posted about your livestock. Most farmers will slaughter an animal and freeze the meat that then lasts a few months.
You really should change your name to NotReallyaFarmer.
I find it fascinating that the regulars here are constantly whining about the cost of food and how they have trouble affording groceries and other necessities.
Most of you, like Floyd, are obviously relying on Social Security.
Don’t you understand that a central objective of the MAGA congressional caucus is to destroy Social Security and Medicare ???
If you are in poor financial circumstances now, then unfortunately you ain’t seen nothing yet.
The Republicans will slash taxes for billionaires, explode the deficit, and explode inflation.
Trump’s tariffs will destroy the economy.
You have all voted against your own self-interests.
Anonymous Airsoft Gun Bunny: Don’t you understand that a central objective of the MAGA congressional caucus is to destroy Social Security and Medicare ???
If you actually want to know the objectives and platform of Republicans, Trump, the GOP Caucus, what could be more authoritative than asking a cowardly Anonymous Democrat communist? The only way they can attempt to reason is by thinking of “central objectives”.
Kind of like Soviet Politburos.
Old Airborne Dog
You said, “Don’t you understand that a central objective of the MAGA congressional caucus is to destroy Social Security and Medicare ???”
No. Actually, by linking the two together, the intent is to do nothing at all. But, Social Security is completely fixable, and without much increase. But Medicare and Medicaid are Time Bombs, and the ticking clock is down to the last few seconds. Here, read this and get a better grip on the problem:
“Nonetheless Social Security is fixable without a large amount of pain. Why? Because it is a progressive tax-based system (you get more back in benefit for the first dollar you pay in via taxes than later ones), it holds a relatively large body of bonds which by design were constructed to allow “pig-in-python” style bursts of baby creation (ala The Boomers) as the designers anticipated that happening (along with “busts” at other times) and the tax rate is, in relative terms, high. (12.4% of all wages earned up to the cap — you only “see” half of it as a payroll deduction — unless you’re self-employed!) Further the boomer pig in the python will start to recede in ten years — 2028 — as boomers start dying and so will their outsized proportion of the “draw” on said system.
In other words the conflation of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is an intentional lie that is repeated for political purposes and any politician or other policy “wonk” who does so deserves to be destroyed as his or her intent is to wreck this nation on a permanent fiscal basis by generating enough screaming among seniors to guarantee the actual problem is not addressed.
The entire problem with our budget lies in Medicare and Medicaid. The reason is multi-fold but is focused in the following places:
The Medicare tax rate is 2.9%, (1.45% each for employer and employee), or less than one quarter of that for Social Security. Yet last fiscal year Social Security spent $1.03 trillion while Medicare and Medicaid spent $1.46 trillion with approximately $1.15 trillion being Medicare. In other words Medicare assesses taxes at less than 1/4 the rate of Social Security yet pays out more money.
Medical spending as a percentage of the national economy has increased by a factor of five since Medicare was put into place. Medical spending was approximately 4% of GDP in the 1960s; at 4% of GDP Medicare was sustainable indefinitely as its tax receipt projections were approximately correct in covering expected expenditures. Medical spending is almost 20% of GDP today, or five times as high in percentage terms. Yet the Medicare tax rate has not advanced at all. It would have to be five times what it is today, and advance at the rate of medical spending generally indefinitely into the future, to be solvent.
If is not possible to “catch up” now even if you immediately made the Medicare tax 15%, which would be higher than Social Security, because those who are retired now didn’t pay the higher rate and the bonds were not bought with their funds. As such it is flatly impossible to fix this on a prospective basis through higher taxes. IT CANNOT BE DONE BECAUSE TOO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED WITHOUT DOING IT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS.
Medicaid is even worse because there no tax assessed to cover it. That is, Medicaid is a “pure” entitlement and last year spent approximately $400 billion. You get it because you’re low-income, not because you paid into it while working and now need it. For this reason you cannot fix Medicaid with any sort of targeted, employment-based tax because there isn’t one and the regressive nature of such taxes means people will leave the workforce to avoid paying same and then collect it. In fact that has happened now and continues to this day.”
The full article is here, and everyone should read it.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3460351
His surname is Farmer. 😂
So UpstateFarmer has to buy cheap food because that is all he can afford. You really should change your name to NotReallyaFarmer.
Expanding your Airsoft Chairborne Commando smear list, little mewling Airsoft Gravy Seal Team Six Sniper? Now cosplaying that you were not only an actual Marine, not just an Airsoft Gravy Seal Sniper, but a farmer as well!
Hint: no real Marine would act like a castrated eunuch and only post Anonymously to attack UpstateFarmer like the feckless coward that you are.
A real Marine would always post under one unique username. Most plain spoken farmers and ranchers would do the same, whether or not they were ever Marines. Something like ‘Upstate Farmer’
Old Airborne Dog
(see, it’s actually not that hard to post with a unique username – unless you are a gelded eunuch who doesn’t even have an inch of spine)
* makes one wonder who’s running the place when a rib steak is more expensive than a new york 😉
Generally, I just scroll through the comments without adding my own, but I had to respond to this howler. $40 to $50 to feed a family of 3 for a week? That is, $2,000 to $2,600 per year? Even before Bidenflation it cost far more than that. I have no idea how you think such silly stuff will pass unnoticed by someone who has to shop for a family of four, one of whom has reached the bottomless pit stage of young teenage boys, every week.
Right. Yep inflation only went up 2.1 % on top of the 500 % increase and on everything. Yeah, cumulative
If the issue is taxation, what would The Framers think of the percentage of federal taxpayer dollars that are ladled out across the nation to fund city, county, state, and NGO programs/debt write-offs? Irrespective of whether those projects have an admirable purpose – much less actually succeed at what they allegedly are purported to do? And what IS that percentage of federal tax dollars spent on what are local issues only?
The SCOTUS Wickard v. Filburn ruling on the Commerce Clause justifies it all?
To stay on topic, just some of the federal taxpayer pork ladled out to Governor Inslee by Biden/Schumer/Pelosi for local Washington issues. Not to mention federal pork for Inslee’s hometown Seattle issues.
BEAD Broadband Equity and Affordability Grants
Energy Efficiency Revolving Loan Fund Capitalization Program
Green Jobs and Infrastructure Catalytic Funds
A constitutional scholar could probably write some fascinating analysis columns on why such uses of federal tax dollars to pay for what are exclusively local city/county/state/NGO issues are supposedly constitutional.
Old Airborne Dog
I enjoy watching failed Democrat policies in Blue states and cities fail and fail again and again. Anyone with any degree of comment sense can see where this is heading. Just like the failed state of CA, NY, IL and others, people who can, are choosing to leave those failed Blue states for successful Red states. And, they are taking their money with them!!
https://victorhanson.com/americas-lab-rats/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-bgX9eQ58w
Good part in the video about VDH and Milton Friedman, and what a schmuck Milton was on the whole Free Trade thing.
As Dennis McIntyre frantically writes the off-topic script for today’s episode of The Three Democrat Stooges, I have a suggestion for the subject of today’s vaudeville comedy act:
Matt Gaetz Threatens To Rejoin Congress, Publish Nancy Pelosi’s Taxpayer-Funded Sexual Harassment Settlements, Then Resign Again
https://thepopulisttimes.com/matt-gaetz-threatens-to-rejoin-congress-publish-taxpayer-funded-sexual-harassment-settlements-then-resign/
CNN reported on Wednesday that the House Ethics Committee held a secret vote to release the Gaetz report despite the fact he is no longer subject to that Committee since resigning after his Trump nomination. In a pinned post to X, formerly Twitter, Gaetz, 42, wrote hours later that one of his fellow House members suggested a plan for him to retaliate against sitting House members’ hypocrisy.
The plan would involve Gaetz returning to the House when its new session begins on January 3, when the former congressman would participate in the Speaker election since he was reelected to his Florida U.S. House seat before resigning.
Gaetz wrote that he would immediately file a privileged motion to expose every ‘me too’ hush money settlement secretly paid using public funds by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (even of former members) during her tenure as Democrat leader in the House.
Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote on X: “If Congress is going to release one ethics report, they should release them all. I want to see the Epstein list. I want to see the details of the Pelosi slush fund for sexual misconduct by members of Congress and Senators. I want to see it all.”
There’s some juicy meat for the sex-obsessed Three Democrat Stooges act to chew on. Especially Gigi!
Old Airborne Dog
The End Days don’t have to be all doom and gloom, depends on how one looks at things. Since I’m neither rich nor a Washingtonian, or Washingtawahian, or a Socialist, I’m not at all effected by this, for now. Anyone with a frontal lobe can readily see what the outcome of stupid policies like this will be.
The rich will leave, taking their business’s with them, so the job market will implode, tax revenue will dry up, taxes on the middle class will then by necessity be raised, and so they will then migrate away, leaving only the politicians, empty revenue coffers, and the poor and homeless. Yeah sure, I want to live in that, who wouldn’t?
Then the wailing and crocodile tears will begin for Washington, D.C., to help them out with everyone’s tax money in Federal bailouts. California may take a bit longer, but wait for it, it’s coming. It may take a little longer as history has demonstrated the true believer Socialists are always the last to know that their ideology has never succeeded in all of history anywhere, anytime, but the voters will eventually throw the bums out as has happened on a National level this year.
“Since I’m neither rich nor a Washingtonian, or Washingtawahian, or a Socialist, I’m not at all effected by this, for now.”
If you don’t think this will affect the economic conditions in that state, you might want to try harder.
If you didn’t notice how Biden and the Soviet Democrat Congress’s pork laden spending bills provided hundreds of billions of dollars to pay the debt of blue states and cities using federal taxpayer dollars, you weren’t paying attention.
“If you don’t think this will affect the economic conditions in that state, you might want to try harder.”
Not entirely certain what you’re trying to say there? Did you not read past what you quoted?
If you didn’t notice,
“If you didn’t notice how Biden and the Soviet Democrat Congress’s pork laden spending bills provided hundreds of billions of dollars to pay the debt of blue states and cities using federal taxpayer dollars, you weren’t paying attention.”
that is exactly what I said. “Then the wailing and crocodile tears will begin for Washington, D.C., to help them out with everyone’s tax money in Federal bailouts. California may take a bit longer, but wait for it, it’s coming.”
Perhaps you should try harder, then maybe you would be understood.
@Anonymous
I beg to differ: you and I are impacted when these tax refugees come to OUR states and bring all of their boosheet with them. Modern dem madness always has a trickle effect, and as evidenced by this proposal, they are apparently not smart enough to think anything through to its logical conclusion (i.e. in this case, the ‘rich’ will simply leave).
We are a holistic country even in our independence, and it certainly DOES impact the rest of us indirectly, in myriad ways. They are petulant children, all of them, trying to out-tantrum each other and wreaking havoc on all around them, not unlike how a pissed off toddler might.
Meek
Uh, we already have wealth taxes in every single state. They are called “property taxes”, and they are flat taxes, and thus regressive, and hit the poorest, the hardest, just like sales taxes.
Ideally, we should have wealth taxes, and at a much lower level than 250,000,000 BUT – REALITY.
The rich will simply move, and the money collected, would be wasted just the same as most other taxes collected.
Redistributed.
They hit those that buy a new home or remodel, that’s whom they impact. Property taxes are based upon the property appraisal, they are not a flat tax. A new home in an old neighborhood will be appraised at current market value. The next door neighbor may have lived there before the current real estate boom and purchased at a much lower cost. Your homes may be very comparable yet his tax bill will be $3,000 and yours will be $10,000. It should be a flat mileage rate based on the raw property appraisal, not the house or improvements. It’s another way the bureaucrats take your money to pay themselves at pay levels commensurate to the private sector. It’s theft.
The former meaning now seems official as Gov. Jay Inslee pushes for a “wealth tax.”
From a lawyer’s perspective, rather than an economist’s, lawyer and now Governor Inslee has been FAR more newsworthy with his ongoing and persistent attempts to make the Second Amendment a dead letter in his state. No surprise – he made his House of Representatives bones on being one of the main protagonists pushing the federal “assault weapons” ban down American’s throats.
Oh look, Professor Turley: ANOTHER one of your fellow Democrat lawyers making their living off politics! You didn’t notice that tend in who the central figures are behind the issues of most of your articles? Your fellow Democrat lawyers?
Republicans are definitely not the solution to every one of your problems. But it would seem that Democrat lawyers in politics are always the source of your problems (but create great fodder for other Democrat lawyers to make a living writing about).
How many terms did he do as a Democrat Congressman before deciding he’d prefer to plague Americans in the much nicer environment of home in Seattle instead of in Washington DC? Six or seven?
A more interesting legal column would have been on the legal issues that prevent all those eastern counties in Washington State (and Oregon) from joining the friendly Constitutional state of Idaho that has said they’d be welcome. The wealthy of Washington state could just have their official permanent residence in one of the pretty little mountain towns in the Cascade mountains and be only a few hours drive from their estates around Seattle
Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon to join Idaho
https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/eastern-washington-and-eastern-oregon-to-join-idaho.html
The portions of Washington State and Oregon east of the Cascade mountains have irreconcilable differences with their western counterparts, but have much in common with Idaho. Farmers in eastern WA & OR struggle under unreasonable laws created by urban lawmakers on the states’ west sides who do not understand agriculture.
Further, the residents of each side of each state have such deeply different ideas about the 2nd Amendment and gun laws that no set of laws can satisfy both sides.
Old Airborne Dog
Y’know, I don’t know how closely most follow politics, but I would say, I’ve been following it very closely over the last forty plus years… and there’s no aspect of the Democrat platform that has ever made sense. What this is is a cult, dedicated to enriching itself through political plunder, which preys through wholly contrived issues on the emotional fragility of the ill-informed and the feeble minded. Pick any “issue” – the Germans, by the way, do not have a word for this, their party visions are more “thematic” – but, nothing makes sense. “Stagnated wages,” decades of stagnated wages, how often have we all heard that? Is there any truth here? Those who’ve lived through those decades of working America know absolutely that wages have increased tremendously – twenty times, thirty times, fifty times – while opportunity has absolutely blossomed. Young people today have far more opportunity than the child of the ’60s or ’70s. And this is true of every Democrat “issue” whether we are speaking of equality and inclusion, healthcare, or education (etc) – all wholly contrived, fashioned and couched in the unrealistic and nonsensical without solution, just unending talking points that drag on decade after decade after decade. Very obvious in the 2016 presidential election, by the way, because Hillary was dragging forth political language that had literally grown obsolete in her what, political absence? (How is THAT possible? But it DID occur.) I can’t be the only person who sees this. Even “Black in America” must see this – other than expanded EBT what did Obama do for anyone of color? Victimizing the breadwinner, the “taxpayer,” particularly so given Democrat predilections for wealth and power at all costs (to all others), cannot be the only solution. In fact, a solution that cannot implemented is not a solution, it’s just ransomware – you must “pay me” to help you. That is today’s Democrat party. And a truly sad sad state of affairs.
@betuadollar says: What this is is a cult, dedicated to enriching itself through political plunder, which preys through wholly contrived issues on the emotional fragility of the ill-informed and the feeble minded.
If you believe that everyone better off than you got that way through corruption, then you might be a Marxist.
If you believe in the inevitable failure of capitalism then you might be a Marxist.
If you think due process is only for some people, then you might be a Marxist.
If you think censorship of those you disagree with is a good thing, then you might be a Marxist.
If you think a “conversation about race” means only you get to talk, then you might be a Marxist.
If you believe election fraud and barring candidates from running is a means to an end, then you might be a Marxist.
If you believe “de-programming” others is a good idea, then you might be a Marxist.
If you think tearing down statues of dead people makes you virtuous, you might be a Marxist.
Old Airborne Dog
The former meaning now seems official as Gov. Jay Inslee pushes for a “wealth tax.”
From a lawyer’s perspective, rather than an economist’s, lawyer and now Governor Inslee has been FAR more newsworthy with his ongoing and persistent attempts to make the Second Amendment a dead letter in his state. No surprise – he made his House of Representatives bones on being one of the main protagonists pushing the federal “assault weapons” ban down American’s throats.
Oh look, Professor Turley: ANOTHER one of your fellow Democrat lawyers making their living off politics! You didn’t notice that tend in who the central figures are behind the issues of most of your articles? Your fellow Democrat lawyers?
Republicans are definitely not the solution to every one of your problems. But it would seem that Democrat lawyers in politics are always the source of your problems (but create great fodder for other Democrat lawyers to make a living writing about).
How many terms did he do as a Democrat Congressman before deciding he’d prefer to plague Americans in the much nicer environment of home in Seattle instead of in Washington DC? Six or seven?
A more interesting legal column would have been on the legal issues that prevent all those eastern counties in Washington State (and Oregon) from joining the friendly Constitutional state of Idaho that has said they’d be welcome. The wealthy of Washington state could just have their official permanent residence in one of the pretty little mountain towns in the Cascade mountains and be only a few hours drive from their estates around Seattle
Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon to join Idaho
https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/eastern-washington-and-eastern-oregon-to-join-idaho.html
The portions of Washington State and Oregon east of the Cascade mountains have irreconcilable differences with their western counterparts, but have much in common with Idaho. Farmers in eastern WA & OR struggle under unreasonable laws created by urban lawmakers on the states’ west sides who do not understand agriculture.
Further, the residents of each side of each state have such deeply different ideas about the 2nd Amendment and gun laws that no set of laws can satisfy both sides.
Old Airborne Dog
Democrats continue to steal ideas from Hitler. First, they copied the Reichstag fire (Jan 6), then they copied fixed elections (ballot cleansing), now they are copying the Reich Flight Tax ( imposing financial penalties on people they drive out of the state). What ‘s next, systematic academic and media censorship? Oh, yeah, we’re already there.
As much as I loathed Joe Manchin for his vote for the “Inflation Reduction Act” I have to say that him and Kristen Sinema saved our nation with their willingness to stand up to the mob and not end the filibuster. If they had buckled we would have had 5 new Justices on the Supreme Court, two new blue states and the federal takeover of national elections. Fascist pigs like Warren and Bernie would have nationalized the wealth tax, shut down free speech and ended the 2nd Amendment.
At least now we can let WA and CA have their wealth tax and people can leave, but if they ended the filibuster and the wealth tax arose nationally the NEW Court would have just said it is now constitutional and that would be that.
“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”
— Mark Twain