Gov. Tim Walz has never appeared burdened by legal niceties or accuracy in pushing his agenda, including his anti-free speech policies. However, his recent effort to block an effort to enact a “no duty to retreat” rule for self-defense hit a new low. Walz completely misrepresented not only the underlying bill, HF 13, but ignored the common law on self-defense.
Gun control groups opposed the bill that would have clarified the rule that citizens did not have a duty to retreat in the use of self-defense. Walz immediately fell in line and helped defeat the bill by a single vote — and a gross misrepresentation.
The bill would have aligned the Minnesota self-defense law with the common law, which did not require a retreat when it is possible before the use of force. The new law would have simply added the following line:
“(b) An actor may use reasonable force under the circumstances described in paragraph (a), clause (3), regardless of whether a reasonable possibility of retreat to avoid the danger exists.”
Walz told the media that the new language would allow citizens to “shoot somebody for taking your parking space.”
There is nothing in the law that would support such a claim. The law states in pertinent part that citizens can use reasonable force:
“(3) when used by any person in resisting or aiding another to resist an offense against the person; or
(4) when used by any person in lawful possession of real or personal property, or by another assisting the person in lawful possession, in resisting a trespass upon or other unlawful interference with such property; or
(5) when used by any person to prevent the escape, or to retake following the escape, of a person lawfully held on a charge or conviction of a crime…”
How is claiming a parking space an “offense” or a denial of “real or personal property”?
It is a knowingly baseless and sensational claim by Walz.
The controversy highlights rivaling doctrines that we often discuss in Torts. Many states now have “Castle doctrine” laws, which allow people to use lethal force in defense of their homes. Called “Make My Day” laws in some states, there are also “Make My Day Better” laws allowing people to use lethal force in defense of other property like cars. There are also laws like “Stand Your Ground” discussed in such well-known cases as the trial of George Zimmerman (though it was ultimately not used in favor of a conventional self-defense claim).
The common law does not impose a duty to retreat. It preexisted the SYG law in most states. If it didn’t, hundreds of thousands of cases of self-defense would have had different results after people defended themselves rather than flee. Indeed, this is a point that I often made in opposing these laws: you already have the right to defend yourself and not to retreat.
In Beard v. United States, 158 U.S. 550, 562 (1895), the Supreme Court held that
“The weight of modern authority, in our judgment, establishes the doctrine that when a person, being without fault, and in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel force by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self-defense, his assailant is killed, he is justifiable.”
That does not mean that the state cannot preempt common law by requiring retreat when available. Other states have imposed such a requirement. However, Walz has again shown his signature tendency to exaggerate or misrepresent the law when it serves political ends.
The rule on “no duty to retreat” may warrant debate, but does not warrant false claims. Ironically, Walz has a reputation as an anti-free speech figure, including censorship of things that he deems disinformation. This is disinformation, but I would not seek to censor him for spreading it. It is enough to point out the absurdity of the claim and to allow free speech to protect against bad speech.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.
Really. Modern dems honestly believe they just need to lie harder. These people must never hold power again.
They. Will. Not. Grasp. That. We. Rejected. The. DNC. ALTOGETHER, whole hog, in November. Their policy, their globalism, their methods – their everything. This is quite simply inconceivable to them. There is no saving the modern left, and the rest of us are tired of being dragged through the dirt. The midterms are going to be an even worse slaughter.
Bill Maher said recently that the left needed their own Trump; what he fails to grasp is that we know they are LYING. The days of winning through pandering are simply over. We want to be free, we want our laws to be laws, and we will accept nothing less, ever again.
James,
In regard to the Democrats Trump like leader, whom is that? Newsome? But we have a long history of his failed policies in the very failed state of CA. Will Democrats just ignore that and rally around him as their savior? He would have to come up with Trump and Republican like solutions. That would be the opposite of woke far-leftists Democrats.
One of the big deals about This Trump Term is that it is clear that he is not only looking to accomplish much in 4 years – but he is setting the GOP up for years to come. Trump’s appointments – as well as a few GOP house and senate members are the future of the GOP – and this is a very deep bench. And most are young.
While we have a large number of old politicians – particularly democrats headed out to pasture – but there are few in the democratic party in a position to replace them – and MOST of the really high profile democrats have the failed and woke past as an albatross arround their necks.
AOC may winn her district for decades as might the rest of the sqaud, but they are not moving to state or nationwide offices.
Butigieg and Newsome can not esxape their own public failures.
Democrats are directionsless, leaderless, and increasingly can not fix this no matter what they do.
There may be alot of moderate democrats – but none with a high profile and none who can demonstrate a history of bucking their parties stupidest choices.
#74. They want a failure. They don’t want it “fixed”.
@Upstate
Yes!!
One of the reasons that Trump is so resilient at the moment is that people o not beleive the left, democrats, or the MSM.
They have done this to themselves.
While they have doubled down on stupid – even if they shifted to rational positions – who would beleive them ?
If democrats suddenly for the elimination fo waste fraud an abuse in govenrment – who would think they were sincere ?
Gavin Newsome just cam out against men in womens sports – does anything think that is anything more than reading the political tea leaves ?
John Fetterman often talks like a republican – but he still votes against the very things he claims to support.
It will take a long long time for people to trust democrats again.
They did this to themselves.
They are past the point at which rebranding will accomplish anything except confirm that they are untrustworthy
I believe that in Minnesota the right of self defense is considered a fundamental constitutional right. So . . . wouldn’t the duty to retreat, if challenged, be held to violate substantive due process?
https://open.mitchellhamline.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1873&context=wmlr
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-9670/102675/20190611152155332_Cert.%20Pet.%20-%20for%20efiling%20pdfa.pdf
#74. SCOTUS has ruled. Due process, 2A and a fundamental right …self defense
End of story
Thanks, you are some hot dog researcher.
Verifiable statistics on the legitimate use of firearms to defend lives and property:
Defensive Gun Uses in the U.S.
https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/
Unlike such garbage as the FBI crime statistics, this does not conflate criminal activity with legal defensive use to deliberately present a highly distorted picture.
Turls: how much do they pay you to write tripe like this? I read only the first sentence and decided that the rest of the manure you wrote wasn’t worth my time. Because you are apparently paid well enough to chuck basic intellectual decency so as to defend the biggest pathological liar and most-unqualified person ever to hold the highest office in the land, you have the gall to accuse Gov. Walz of ” not appear[ing] burdened by legal niceties or accuracy in pushing his agenda, including his anti-free speech policies.” Not “burdened by legal niceties” Are you kidding? Do you write crap like this to avoid discussing all of the restraining orders and injunctions that have been issued against Trump and the literally daily outrages he commits? “Anti free-speech”? The orange hog banned the Associated Press for refusing to go along with calling the Gulf of Mexico the “Gulf of America”. How about claiming that “we” will “retake” the Panama Canal and acquire Greenland and turn Canada into a state? How about not only cutting off military aid to Ukraine that Congress apprropriated, but cutting off the intel they need–and why? Because Zelenskyy wouldn’t grovel and stood his ground while the orange hog and his fat-faced little prick side kick tried to beat up on him in front of reporters when the hog tried to bully Zelenskyy into giving up mineral rights as a condition for receiving aid Congress already appropriated. How about arbitrarily firing: veterans, including disabled veterans, cancer researchers, scientists, inspectors general, anyone involved in the J6 prosecutions? One amusing footnote: the heavily tattooed and proud that “I never wash my hands” axxhole hired to head the Department of Defense had posted hundreds of photos that are slated to be taken down from the DOD website to prevent DEI–included among the photos was Col. Tibbetts posing with his plane the “Enola Gay”–hangared at Udvar Hazy Museum at Dulles. The Enola Gay dropped the Hiroshima bomb. Why is this photo objectionable? Because of the word “gay”. And, you, Turley, use your platform for attacking Gov. Walz in the face of such outrageous incompetence and stupidity? Americans are daily taking to the streets because the democracy our founders fought for and our ancestors fought to defend is too precious to die at the hands of a fat slob lying narcissist.
Your reply is worthless because you didn’t read the entire article. Therefore I, and any sensible people, won’t read past your first sentence. And we will probably regret wasting that much time doing that.
Gigenius is none other than Lawn boy Elvis bug, the booger eating troll.
Gigi,
You don’t matter anymore.
People are not listening to you or those spouting your nonsense.
You have lied so much and been caught – no one beleives you about anything.
No it is not censorship to pick reporters other than AP for unusual and limited events.
AP still has WH credentials, and still can report from the WH, but other reporters are getting their spot in impromtu oval office press conferences.
I would note that Obama and Biden played exactly these same games with reporters – favoring those who fawned over them and punishing those that did not.
AP Tried to raise a censorship and first amendment claim in court – THEY LOST.
Trump did not bar the press, he barred AP and only from events where there was space for only a FEW reporters.
I am quite happy that Trump is disfavoring the MSM and favoring the new media. I want more of these truly independent voices.
There reporters are making a name for themselves by avtually investigating, by TRYING to report objectively,
by trying to avoid advocacy journalism. Many of them ask Trump tough questions. But they are not wholly owned by the woke left.
They are not among the MSM jounralists that can be counted on to ask the same questions with the same words – pretested by the democratic party.
These are the people I want asking questions, these are the people I want ot here from.
The legacy media is dying – and they did it to themselves.
I am not sure AP deserves Press credentials at all – much less a prestigious seat at limited events.
Trump is purging the WH press core of left wing sychophants.
That is a good thing
The AP had no problem with Obama renaming mountains, with Biden renaming military basis.
They can choke on Trump renaming bodies of water.
I do not personally give a Schiff is Trump wants to rename the Gulf “the Gulf of Trump”.
While that is absurd – so is all the renaming and other nonsense of democrats in the past 2 decades.
While I would prefer a peace deal in Ukraine.
I am not unhappy with what has occured since the press conferance.
While European nations are NOT sending troops to Ukraine – which is the only way Ukraine wins,
They appear to be increasing their aide and increasing their defense spending.
I think that is great – Ukraine and Russia are NOT a US probem. They are a European problem.
Putin did make the mistake of saying he might walk away from negotiations – and if you were paying attention – Trump responded that would be a very bad idea and would result in the US inflicting even more leverage against Russia.
Regardless – reality is that absent boots on the ground from the US or EU probably the best Ukraine can hope for is a frozen conflict.
Wishing for more because Putin is a bad guy will just lead to Putin eventually conquering Ukraine.
There is no reason that the US should continue spending billions on Ukraine when Ukraines defeat is inevitable.
Why can Trump cut off money to Ukraine that congress has approved ?
Because in the end it is OUR money – not congresses, not Trump’s
And we are tired of it being wasted – on YOUR idiotic pursuits.
Unless the US or EU put boots on the Ground – Ukraine can not win, and they do not want peace on terms that are possible.
The american people are tired of funding a war that would not have started but for the meddling of Biden Clinton, Nuland and others in the deep state and USAID.
We have spent almost 300B on Ukraine so far – and americans have gotten NOTHING.
Why should Ukraine surrender mineral rights ? Because they got $300B from us, and we want something in return.
Because americans are tired of being everyone else’s charity.
Why shoul Denmark sell Greenland – because it is in a strategic location and in the even of a conflict it will be the US defending it – not Denmark,
Because the people who live in greenland are not danes and do not think of themselves as Danish.
They are americans, not europeans.
Why should Canada join the US ? Because they are already dependent on the US. Because they are dependent on us for national security.
Because their economy is entirely dependent on ours. Because their standard of living has been stagnant for 15years while that of the US is now 60% higher. Because the way to assure FREE Trade with the US is to be a US state.
Regardless, Canada can make its own choices. As an independent nation – rather than a state it is subject to tarriffs.
Why should Trump make demands regarding the panama canal ?
We already invaded Panama once – over Drugs. Do you have the slightests doubt that EVERY US president will take over the panama canal in moments in the event of a conflict with China ?
The Panama Canal was Built almost entirely by the US. While it is a boon to global trade it is an ESSENTIAL military asset.
Will Trump invade Panama ? absent a conflict with China – probably not. But if China turns into an active threat EVERY US president would cease control of the canal immediately
This is a legal blog and Walz has taken a ludicrously stupid positution on a legal issue – the common law right to self defense.
Girly-Girl:
I read only the first sentence and decided that the rest of the manure you wrote wasn’t worth my time.
Okay, I read the first two sentences.
OT
Per Article 1, Section 8, of the United States Constitution:
Congress has no power, enumerated or otherwise, to regulate education, labor, agriculture, energy, health, human services, housing, urban development, transportation, food, drugs, communications, or the environment.
No citation of the Constitution can be provided that enumerates or otherwise enables the regulation of education, labor, agriculture, energy, health, human services, housing, urban development, transportation, food, drugs, communications, or the environment.
No department or agency that regulates education, labor, agriculture, energy, health, human services, housing, urban development, transportation, food, drugs, communications, or the environment is valid, legitimate, licit, or constitutional.
No appointment of any and all officers of the departments and agencies of education, labor, agriculture, energy, health, human services, housing, urban development, transportation, food, drugs, communications, or the environment is valid, legitimate, licit, or constitutional.
The Necessary and Proper Clause is nothing more than a perfunctory redundancy for the purposes of clarification—a reinforcement of that which was previously codified—and may not be wielded to amend, or amend by “interpretation,” and impose separate acts that do not represent but alter the letter and spirit of the Founders and Framers.
Government exists, under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, to provide maximal freedom, free enterprise, free industries, and free markets, to individuals while government itself is severely limited and restricted to merely facilitating that maximal freedom of individuals through the provision of security, infrastructure, and infinitesimal regulation only.
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The unconstitutional Agriculture Department redistributes wealth per the Communist Manifesto as “food stamps” and SNAP, as but one example.
The Constitution of the United States of America has been “fundamentally transformed” into, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs,” the slogan of Karl Marx and the essence of the Communist Manifesto.
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Tim Continues to reinforce my, perhaps unfair, opinion of “education degrees.”
James: “my , perhaps unfair, opinion of “education degrees.”
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Not unfair. The degrees are essentially fraudulent.
That is not to say that everyone holding those degrees are lightweights. I have known some who were brilliant. But their brilliance came from a love of learning in itself and their education degrees contributed little to it. They would have been bright lights if they worked as plumbers.
We need to do much, much better training teachers. And I think it should be much easier for individuals who have shown professional ability in any of the sciences or business, history or law to get teaching certification. The best basic chemistry teacher I had, the only one I gave full attention, had worked as a professional chemist and truly knew his way around a lab.
“Fraudulent degrees,” you say!
Fraudulent education compensation is an absurd, inefficacious, communist union redistribution of wealth plan.
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In New York City, the top teacher salaries for the longest serving teachers will exceed $150,000. This is due to a five-year, $6.4 billion labor contract between the United Federation of Teachers and Mayor Eric Adams.
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The top of the salary range for a full professor at New York University (NYU) is $250,000 per year. This includes base salary and additional pay.
“That is not to say that everyone holding those degrees are lightweights. I have known some who were brilliant.”
Those on the older side may remember that their public school teachers were mostly women. That was at a time when it was relatively rare for a woman to become a doctor or an engineer. Instead they went into teaching.
S. Meyer,
I came across this today and was reminded of a discussion you were a part of regarding the invention of the wheel, whether it was in Sumer as often assumed or, as I thought, somewhere in Eurasia.
https://archive.is/2025.03.08-041219/https://www.wsj.com/science/the-ancient-horsemen-who-created-the-modern-world-ba4b314d
This article suggests that the Yamnaya were likely the first to use wheeled carts. It is reasonably certain that their near descendants were the first to use chariots since they are found in their graves.
The issue isn’t settled and may never be. I leaned toward the Steppe because it would be more immediately useful there and some evidence points in that direction. The Sumerians moved a lot of their stuff by river and canals [people there still do] and had less need for wheels than for boats. You followed the discussion out of curiosity, not staking a claim on either hypothesis. So I thought this would interest you.
Young, I like your reasoning and logic. Thank you for sending this fantastic article. OK, now I can blame the Ukrainians who permitted the Pharoh to chase Moses into the desert. 🙂
Tim Walz is the most repulsive politician in America, and one of the dumbest. The Dems were well aware that Josh Shapiro is orders of magnitude more talented. They only didn’t pick Shapiro because they didn’t want to alienate the Hamas wing of their party. And they lost Michigan anyway. To me that was the sweetest part of Trump’s sweep of all seven swing states. 🎉 🎊 🎈
Walz is MN, not MI, but your point is well taken.
When this guy and other elected Democrats make statements it’s with the understanding that their Democrat voters make up the stupidest voting cohort in American history who have sucked on the teat of msm all their adult lives. These pathetic citizens have forgotten How to think critically. They depend on and allow others to tell them What to think.
That includes praising violent acts that burn down property and physically harm their neighbors.
I’m not stretching it, witness the standing down of Law Enforcement during BLM’s murderous rampage.
Watch Minneapolis is Falling.
Watch your back. Walz is a weak person, yet the ignorant follow him.
# Put a different slant on Walz’s words and it’s actually what he thinks the law is permitting and he speaks for his fellow democrats.
Democrats would shoot for taking a parking space. Reasonable force doesn’t have a meaning beyond the self. Walz may actually understand the Democrat criminal mind.
2A is meant for moral people.
This from Gov. Tim Walz supports my general impression of him, he’s a f’ing moron.
I’m confused. Is it “retreat” or “rescue”? Is that a typo in the article?
I think it’s a typo. The no duty to rescue is also a tort law concept but it has nothing to do with the topic of the article.
#74 If I read correctly the proposed law contained both retreat and rescue. It proposes the rescue of others than self. There’s better readers here than I and I found (5) confusing.
No, it’s a typo. The discussion is about a duty to retreat. Even if the bill had become law, it would only have given people a right to rescue others, not a duty.
#74 thanks old man, I left out “duty”.
I’ll argue anyway. The good book says – thou shalt not kill. It’s a duty not to kill. If you can retreat then do and maintain the duty not to kill.
On the otherhand, the dems don’t want to get shot when attacking people so the attackee has a duty to retreat. ☺
This is confusing. Why would Walz help a gun rights group defeat a bill? And why would a gun rights group oppose a bill that affirms a right to self-defense? And is it a “duty to retreat” or a “duty to rescue” bill?
Gun control groups, not gun rights groups.
Walz only feels safe around other testosterone free people who can’t defend themselves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWTJ8iZr7ro
Run Away
Just another display of how we as a nation dodged a bullet with Trump winning the election.
Amen
Since Trump’s inauguration, when these Democratic protests began in earnest, they seem to be substantially led by women. They speak, they dance, they sing, they threaten, and they curse like drunken sailors. The Dems may not currently have a recognized leader, but when one emerges, it will likely be a woman. Walz may be among the last of his kind, i.e. white and male, prominent in his party.
He appears to be testosterone free.
Don’t you understand? When leftists lie, misrepresent, deceive, censor, it’s all for a good purpose and that is to build a better world. You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.
Help me out s@@tlibs, did I miss anything?
antonio
When RIGHTISTS lie, misrepresent, deceive, censor, it’s all for a good purpose and that is to build a better world.
Fixed it.
I don’t claim to be building a “better world” as defined by you.
And you can have your multicult leftist cesspool.
As for censorship it seems to be coming from your side unless you consider Walz to be “conservative”.
Hate to break it to you but your “good white liberal” card will be of no help when diversity comes calling.
antonio
Whoa, look at this response. Talk about delusional. The initial response never claimed to be a liberal or stated anything about a better world.
Looks like the crazies are out in full force today.
I doubt that you and I agree on what a better world is.
Further I am pretty sure that your idea of the route to a better world involves the destruction of the rights that actually make the world as good as it is.
Regardless, YOU are free to persue your own path to a better world – you are just not free to FORCE that on others.
Again a difference between the modern left and right. Trump takes nothing from you that was YOURS to begin with.
The left takes from all of us to force their vision of a better world on us all. Worse still – they fail.
Nothing the modern right seeks to do deprives you of your ability through what is yours to acheive whatever you want.
You are just thwarted from using force to acheive what you want by taking from others.
When anyone allegedly lies, misrepresents of deceives – in a mostly free society eventually people figure it out.
They grasp both the frequency, the magnitude and the damage of the lies misrepresentation and deception, and they make choices – who they will trust in the future.
With respect to the left and the right today – people have already done that – and the left lost.
You do not matter anymore.
Trump did not do that to you.
I did not do that to you.
You did it to yourselves.
Obviously “Someone (?)” has been parking in Gov. Tim Walz spot. Walt’s dyslexic blunder was meant as a warning ‘Shot-over-the Hood’ of Someones (?) Car that may have been parking in his spot in the Massage Parlor’s parking lot where he frequently goes during lunch time.
I don’t know Antonio, did I get that right or did I get that wrong?
Walz is right. Using deadly force must always be a last resort, and thus is not justified when there is an opportunity for retreat.
Also people thinking they have no responsibility to retreat is what caused people to shoot through their front door or at people turning around in their driveway. Those incidents were illegal anyhow, but the non-duty to retreat caused them to think they could shoot.
I vote for this comment.
citizens that comment on this topic while they reside in gated communities or comfortably upper middle class suburbs would think that way. How about those residing in the apartment complexes being overrun by illegal gangs?
And how many of those overrun apt. complexes are you aware of. ONE, in Colorado.
You took the bait on that republican lie.
If there was one, what was the lie? How many of that violent gang has ICE rounded up not only in Colorado but the nation?
Well, friend, why don’t you tell us? You know all the answers. So you think. No excuse for stupid.
I am aware of hundreds, douchebag.
“How many Jocelyn Numgarays are there? You took the Republican bait.”
——-Retarded big mouth troll
# No, anon, she’s right. If you see one cockriach there’s a nest close enough.
ONE TOO MANY. Colorado is part of the United States, which has BORDERS which must be defended from invasion. Look on a map if you don’t believe it. (Assuming you are able to understand a map – perhaps too much of an assumption.🤷♂️ )
Hey moron, I will ask you the JD Vance question, how many apartments being taken over by illegal gangs is ok in your world?
Whimsicalmama,
Well said. People like that also think it is possible to shot a gun out of someone’s hand.
For those who are attacked by illegal gangs in their apartment building, well that is what an AR is for.
“For those who are attacked by illegal gangs in their apartment building, well that is what an AR is for”
After tripping and falling while attempting to retreat as far as they possibly can, as you wish to require?
My only duty to retreat is to get a bigger gun. Shoot. And keep shooting till the threat is neutralized. Center mass. Although I am a fan of two to the chest, one to the head.
Upstate Farmer- You got that right. The handgun exists to keep you alive until you can get to your rifle.
Sometimes you cannot retreat because there is no way out and sometimes you are less mobile than when you were younger.
Most sane people will retreat from a threat when opportunity presents itself. Sometimes that opportunity is simply not there.
That being said, I will not retreat from my house or property, I will simply try to find better cover and/or concealment.
GEB,
Well said! A very good comment! Something our woke, far-leftists friends do not seem to understand. I cannot tell what evil lurks in someone else heart. I can only judge by their words and actions. Something which our leftist Democrats have put on full display. The upside is with their “duty to retreat” mind set, if they truly desire a Civil War, we all know where they stand when it comes to real violence. Far leftists Democrats, you really do not want to go down that path. No one should. But if you want to force us, bring it.
The US Constitution was implemented to ‘ensure domestic tranquility’ in the land at large. That means citizens should be protected from FOREIGN INVADERS that would require an AR to repel certain FOREIGN INVADERS from their private domiciles. That is one of the PRIMARY DUTIES of all our governments, from federal to local.
Any public official – such as the Governor of IL or the mayor of Boston – that refuses to execute their constitutionally mandated duty is derelict in their fundamental duty and must be removed from office.
“but the non-duty to retreat caused them to think they could shoot.”
No it didnt, you fvcking retard. Way to assume that everyone is as stupid as you.
Idiot. Do you ever think these things through from the other side? What you will in effect accomplish is providing perpetrators an advantage in any encounter with up to and including the use of deadly force. Every encounter involves a decision-making process for both sides. Victims have to assess the threat level and defensive response options. Perpetrators, only have to consider those defensive response options of the victim. Trained LEO’s use a 21′ foot rule for knife attacks to respond with deadly force. The average citizen is going to likely have to process their options with far less training and distance. The scales of justice will be weighted to the advantage of the attacker.
Franke- I doubt that interpretation is correct. More likely they acted out of fear. Now in many of those cases I would say the fear tended to be unreasonable but there are many people who are ruled by their fears rather than some logic. We also don’t know why they were fearful or their history prior to the incidents you allude to. We also don’t always have the context of what was happening in the neighborhood previously and how they were affected by it. I can be pretty sure that their first thought was not “I don’t have to retreat.”. Irrespective shooting through your door without ever ascertaining the threat is negligent and strongly suggests a fear or terror response. Sometimes people react and sometimes people think first and then react.
Franke, you defeat your own argument when you say that people that shoot through a door are found guilty anyway. You have the right to defend your house, not your front porch. You don’t have to flee from your home if someone is inside of it or breaking into it. But you can’t shoot the Avon lady…and everyone knows it.
Your straw man argument about the guy that thinks he can shoot someone turning around in his driveway is dumb.
As unappealing a candidate as Kamala Harris was, she somehow managed to find a running mate more obnoxious than her in every respect.
“I love the smell of burning tires!” — Mrs. Walz
Ahem… Mrs. Walz was not the candidate.
No, she was not, any more than Melania nor Barron were, but did that stop the pernicious left/bent propaganda machine, formerly known as the 4th estate?
Can you rewrite that comment please. It makes no sense. Also the original comment. You are not making sense.
It appear that a certain faction (the ones not totally aware of reality) are attempting to grasp at anything that will allow them to hyperventilate in order to manifest their “concern” for the constitution.
This is so hypocritical but true to their nature. Ignore what may indicate the failings of your ideology and spotlight some sensational concept to distract and deflect from the growing public awareness that progressive ideology is an empty vessel promulgated by ideological fanatics in the rare atmosphere of academia and progressive think tanks.
There is absolutely nothing rational in his blocking of this legislation, it is only an empty affirmation that he is still part of “the club” since his asperations are on a presidential run in 2028 and this is an indication of his bona fides. I think 80% of the nation is on to this racket.
Lots of extrapolation in your comment. I do not agree.
please be specific, gratuitous opposition is only that – empty and noxious.
Um… seems the ole broad is having a meltdown today, as every day. You lack fact and logic in your comments. You make no sense.
Crybaby loser troll ^^^
The survival instinct built in to Common Law – which is the foundation of HF 13 (which I supported in my remark) – makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, a certain level of intelligence is required to grasp that.
Whoa, talk about crazy.
“his asperations are on a presidential run in 2028 and this is an indication of his bona fides.”
That notion is a ROFLMAO riot. If anything, Tampon Tim would be an even worse (and less successful) Presidential candidate than Kamala Harris was. His nomination would be the final affirmation that the Democratic Parody is finished.
Number6,
Well said.
Governor Walz is dangerous and should obtain good counsel before taking important actions. He demonstrated his competence and mettle during the 2024 presidential campaign.
In fact, both he and kamala demonstrated just what empty vessels compose the constituency of progressivism. And it was nicely tied up with a pink bow in the well of the House while the crew offered an out of tune rendering of a once significant banner of freedom. They just can’t help themselves from f*cking up everything they touch.
Danley Wolfe is dangerous and should obtain good counsel…