Yesterday, there was a curious aspect to the coverage of the video of a woman attacking a young man for wearing a MAGA hat. Ignored by many mainstream outlets, conservative news sites described the woman as a “Karen” who got “karma.” The video below was viewed as a funny payback as the woman fell while chasing the man from the New York subway car. However, the incident is not karma but a crime. This is political violence perpetrated on the New York subway, and yet no one in New York seems to be calling for the arrest of this person.
If you watch the video, the woman starts by harassing the young man in the subway car. She is shown yelling, “If you f—-ing voted for Trump, you’re a racist!… He’s a racist!”
One can dismiss the verbal attacks as an exercise of free speech. However, she then grabs and comes into contact with the young man (around the 45 second mark) as she chases him from the car:
I get the sense of karma as the woman does a face plant on the subway platform while trying to continue her attack on the fleeing individual.
However, this should be neither funny nor acceptable. It is political violence and the woman appears to believe that she has a license in New York City to assault anyone wearing a MAGA hat.
This is where what I call “rage rhetoric” turns into political violence. As I wrote in my book, “The indispensable Right,” that is the curious aspect of rage:
“What few today want to admit is that they like it. They like the freedom that it affords, the ability to hate and harass without a sense of responsibility. It is evident all around us as people engage in language and conduct that they repudiate in others. We have become a nation of rage addicts; flailing against anyone or anything that stands in opposition to our own truths.
Like all addictions, there is not only a dependency on rage but an intolerance for opposing views. The difference between rage and reason is often one’s own views. If one agrees with underlying grievance, rage is viewed as passion or justified fury at injustice. If one disagrees with those views, it takes on a more threatening and unhinged quality. We seem to spend much of our time today raging at each other. Despite the amplification of views on both sides, there is also an increasing intolerance for opposing views. Those views are treated as simply harmful and offensive—and, therefore, intolerable. Indeed, to voice free speech principles in a time of rage is to invite the rage of the mob.”
There should be zero tolerance for political violence like this on New York subways. Answer me this: if this was a man chasing and assaulting a woman from a subway car for wearing a Harris-Walz hat, would there be the same relative silence in terms of an investigation and criminal charges?
When this person moved from verbal assaults to actual physical assaults, it became a crime, not karma.
The problem is that New York only has an assault law, not a battery law. You can pursue battery as a civil tort in New York, but few Trump supporters would have faith in receiving a fair hearing before a New York jury on such a case.
The New York assault law allows for third degrees of assault charges. However, even the lowest charge of assault in the third degree requires that the individual intentionally or recklessly causes physical injury to another person.
§ 120.00 Assault in the third degree.
A person is guilty of assault in the third degree when:
1. With intent to cause physical injury to another person, he causes such injury to such person or to a third person; or
2. He recklessly causes physical injury to another person; or
3. With criminal negligence, he causes physical injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument.
Assault in the third degree is a class A misdemeanor.
This could be established by the fact that she appears to grab and possibly strike the victim. However, the law is vague and prosecutors could claim that the touching was insufficient to bring a viable case.
There is also criminal harassment under Penal § 240.26:
§ 240.26 Harassment in the second degree.
A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:
1. He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
2. He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or
3. He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.
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Harassment in the second degree is a violation.
I have always had qualms about some of this language in terms of vagueness and free speech, particularly subsection 3. However, subsection 1 clearly applies to physical assaults for the purpose of harassment.
The point is that police have the ability to charge this type of political violence. Yet, there is nothing but crickets from Democratic New York politicians and prosecutors. A video shows a citizen being struck and chased from the subway for wearing a MAGA hat and it is either ignored or treated as another humorous event on the New York subway system.
When did political violence become just a cost of riding the subway for conservatives or libertarians? The lack of outrage shows how this age of rage has dulled our senses to such extreme conduct. This is about conduct not speech. When this person went from raving to assault, she crossed over into the criminal code. The problem is that such protections are only meaningful if New York prosecutors and police are prepared to enforce them.
I hope that the NYPD will take this seriously and announce a search for this culprit. Otherwise, the enforcement of the criminal code becomes little more than a matter of fleeting karma.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
This is refreshing and heartening:
“Tuesday’s confirmation hearing of Governor Mike Huckabee for U.S. ambassador to Israel marked a watershed moment. When asked if he supports the annexation of the West Bank by Israel, Huckabee corrected the record: “It’s not the West Bank — it’s called Judea and Samaria, and it has historically been a part of the Jewish nation.”
Quote from American Thinker.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/03/mike_huckabee_and_a_turning_point_is_us_israel_relations.html
The Huckabees are outstanding. Yes, the Jews are indigenous to Judea and Samaria and part of the sovereign nation of Israel.
A realist should be realistic about the limits of his own perfectibility and thus the limits of his own knowledge. This standpoint has a long history in faith and philosophy.
An idealist assumes most humans are perfectible, but that assumes there is some existing standard of infallibility; otherwise, there is no basis for knowing if perfection is even achievable.
The idealist typically assumes that he knows that standard of infallibility and thus anyone who disagrees must be stupid or evil. This is narcissistic and immature thinking and has a high body count in history.
Idealists become intolerant by virtue of their idealism. That’s wokism.
Diogenes,
Thank you for that comment. Not only thought provoking but also exposes the idealism of wokism. Taking your comment and then applying it to our leftists friends, you point out their narcissistic and immature thinking. Again, I thank you.
Just a PSA, if you encounter a mentally ill person who is displaying signs and symptoms of TDS, do not challenge them. Try to create as much space between you and them as the possible. We know they are prone to violence in their deranged mental state as is obvious in this video. However, if assaulted, use what force necessary for self-defense for your own preservation of not only injury but life.
Some sage advice for such times–> if they take your cloak give them your coat ,too. If they want your hat give them your hat and your ? Maybe just run, move to another car…don’t engage.
It is political violence and the woman appears to believe that she has a license in New York City to assault anyone wearing a MAGA hat.
Democrats have modeled for her what is permissible and honorable.
Meanwhile Democrats are busy looking at their shoes…and the Signal nothingburger chat. To wit, kids do not even know what pronouns are thanks to Democrats COVID lockdowns and their religious CRT dogmas, making kids idiots for life. Perhaps that was on purpose so that Democrats could groom children knowing that Democrat nominated Federal Judges would restrain parents from intervening.
Democrats are thugs. Rep Jasmine Crockett shows Americans all too well what thugs are, while Sen Chuck Schumer reflects what Palestinian Hamas look like.
While we argue about stuff that doesn’t matter, our schools are failing
We shuttered schools for too long in response to the pandemic, and we need to stop looking at our shoes and hoping no one highlights our role in the devastating consequences. This is the long tail of the pandemic: Our country lost two decades of progress in a little more than two years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/03/25/reading-math-scores-education/
Another interesting facet to this encounter by the little Karen – if she had tripped and fell onto the tracks with an oncoming train would we have another Daniel Penny type case for Fat Al to prosecute? The reasoning is, if the vile MAGA racist misogynist had not “triggered” the perfect NYC citizen with the Fascist Apparel choice she would not have felt compelled to defend ALL NYC Perfect Citizens from this Hate Fest! Thus the Maga Racist Misogynist could be indicted for 1st Degree Pre-meditated murder knowing he could cause a Karen Triggering! ABSOLUTE IDIOT CITY AND STATE AND THEY ALL DESERVE THEIR HUNGER GAMES ENVIRONMENT!
More political violence today from unhinged leftist, attacking TPUSA student chapter head with heavy metal bike lock. Perp is trans (surprise, surprise).
https://notthebee.com/article/watch-this-trans-perp-swing-a-bike-lock-at-students-manning-a-tpusa-table/
OldManFromKS,
More unhinged TDS political violence. I expect as Trump continues to succeed, we will see more and more instances of this kind of violence. A Soros funded anti-Musk NGO called Indivisible was recently exposed for not only their funding source but in their attacks on Tesla showrooms and vehicles. They have been busy deleting things from their web site but Laura Loomer archived it.
Seriously, professor? Political violence? Police investigation? Over what? A dumb argument that turned into a dumb game of keep away? I don’t defend the woman’s actions, but let’s have some perspective, please. To make this a topic of your blog betrays a serious lack of judgment and risks your reputation as a thoughtful legal commentator. And yes, I’d say the same thing if the roles were reversed, as that happens all the time.
Political rage = ethnic rage = racial rage = a basic defect in humanity. When there is no belief in a higher power we are left to believe in our ego. With all of the advances in technology we have change very little spiritually. Kind of a bummer.
It’s simple biology. In a crowd you’re separated from your child. You frantically look around. You’re a redhead and wife, too. Are you looking for a child with black hair?
Slot in any race you want.
Jonathan: BREAKING NEWS!!! A lawsuit has just been filed today against Pete Hegseth and other members of of the DJT national security team over the gross violation of top secret protocols by discussing war plans of an attack on Yemen on 3/15 using and unsecured Signal chat chain.
The lawsuit was filed this morning at 9:09 am in the DC District Court. The name of the case is “American Oversight v. Hegseth et al”. The case number is 1:25-ev-00883-JEB. And guess who was randomly assigned the case? Chief Judge James E. Boasberg. That’s right, the same Judge who is presiding over the case involving DJT unlawful use of the AEA to secretly ship Venezuelan immigrants to a black hole in El Salvador without affording them basic due process rights.
My, my. Looks like Judge Boasberg is going to be very busy the next few weeks and months. And DJT is going to lose a lot of sleep!
So another lawsuit that will get tossed.
US courts have Zero jurisdiction.
You seem to be trying to make Steve Miller’s argument come true and have Federal Judges adjudicate the missions of warships.
What does “adjudicate the missions of warships” mean?
A normative judgment about whether the mission was good or bad?
Or, a judgment regarding whether a statute was violated in the process of executing a mission?
The latter is what judges are supposed to do. No one has ever suggested that judges should be doing the former.
It means that the courts have absolutely Zero role in the conduct of foreign relations and war powers.
If you do not like the way an administration conducts foreign affairs or military actions – you can vote them our or impeach them.
Congress can not even make laws beyond the confines of the limited intrusions into foreign affairs that the the constitution allows.
If you beleive that something was done wrong and that the courts should have the power to remedy that, then you must change the constitution.
The rule of law does not require you to like the law and constitution as they are.
But it requires that you abide by them or change them.
In this instance – you would need to change the constitution.
As is typical of the left – they go way too far, and then the double down and go farther.
Congress has an oversite power here – which they are excercising.
The courts have no jurisdiction at all.
the “random” (smile) assignments seem to want to help boasberg restore his credibility that has suffered mucho
I’m one indictment away from being re-elected.
No standing. Case dismissed.
No jurisdiction either.
Soon forgotten. A mistake. Live and learn. Move on. The media is attempting to whip up a “controversy.” Since they have nothing other to do than attempt to “get” the President instead of being responsible citizens.
The “drama”of the day. Yawn.
The journalist who was accidentally included should have contacted authorities, presented the information and had it scrubbed from his device and been debriefed. Instead, he took the low road.
That is like misplacing your wallet and the person who finds it, exploits the find.
Your hate — and glee — is truly detestable. OMG — anther lawsuit! Were you by the court house doors to see this come down at 9:09!
I think the American people should file a law suit against the Jill Biden, Harris, and all the people close to Joe Biden for keeping the truth about Joe Biden’s mental state hidden from the US public. This was a masterful coverup! If Biden had done his job, there would have been no need to bomb the terrorists! And then when history is written about Biden, maybe we will see the truth out at last — the errors he made, the people who lied for him, the auto pen used. (And, BTW if the auto pen was used to sign Bills — these Bills are not legal constitutionally). Now here is a very big law suit!
As to the error with Signal – let the President decide what to do. It is a problem to be corrected but not by the public.
The future of our country will not be solved by hate but by working together. However, the Dems seem to have mastered the art of revenge and regret. How about some good old fashion collaboration. We have a country to save so our children grown up with promise and jobs. Why not work with these goals? Not once have I heard a Dem utter the words — let’s solve the problem together!
This species was discovered in Palo Alto in 2019. Known as the Mankey monkey, it was also struck by instant karma, then went into hiding like Bigfoot: https://padailypost.com/tag/rebecca-parker-mankey/
According to Google, that was covered on pages 278 and 279 of Prof. Turley’s blog, but must’ve been removed shortly thereafter due to a complaint.
George wrote: Because he cannot be seen as being critical of Trump or lending credibility to the notion that Trump may be wrong on using the Alien Enemies Act
Are you flat out lying? Or just in childish denial that SCOTUS long ago ruled that no judge – especially corrupt basement level judges like Boasberg – has the power to violate the separation of powers and claim the power to do judicial review of a president using this Act and how he does so?
Ludecke v. Watkins, 335 U.S. 160 (1948)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/335/160/
Held:
The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order. Pp. 335 U.S. 163-166.
So George: you and Boasberg are right – SCOTUS and Trump are wrong!
You’ve had a bro love affair with Boasberg ever since he permitted Obama to turn the FISA courts he was in charge of into fraudulent perjury factories and gave Obama’s convicted criminals like Klinesmith a Hunter Biden-style pass for their convictions.
You’re the avatar for Constitution hating Cheap Fake American Soviet Democrats
LOL!!!! You’re hilariously stupid it seems. You are just as incompetent as the 18 idiots who chose to discuss classified information in an app that the pentagon just recently warned was vulnerable to hacking.
Clearly you’re the dumbest of the group. Bless your heart.
Do you have an argument ?
You are not actually quoting Ludecke, you are quoting a summary of Ludecke. The actual quote is: “As Congress explicitly recognized in the recent Administrative Procedure Act, some statutes “preclude judicial review.” Barring questions of interpretation and constitutionality, the Alien Enemy Act of 1798 is such a statute.”
The difference here is significant because it leaves open the possibility that judicial review is available to look at whether certain preconditions have been met for the president to invoke the statute.
Further, Ludecke in footnote 17 stated that some elements of AEA removal—”whether the person restrained is in fact an alien enemy fourteen years of age or older”—are subject to judicial review. It did not bar all judicial scrutiny of presidential AEA findings.
The issues regarding applicability of the statute weren’t addressed in Ludecke. The detainees before SCOTUS in that case conceded that they were German; and they conceded that Congress had declared war on Germany. Their argument was only that war (the statutory condition for their detention) had ended. For SCOTUS to conclude that this was a particular issue on which it would defer to the political branches did nothing to upend the idea that the statute’s limits were otherwise judicially enforceable. Thus, even if the President is entitled to a modicum of deference, it should follow from the judicial precedents arising out of the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II that federal courts can provide meaningful judicial review of whether the statutory condition predicate – an “invasion or predatory incursion” by “a foreign nation or government” has occurred.
The AEA does not preclude a Habeus review.
Long standing federal and case law requires habeus cases for individuals in the district in which they were arrested.
Boasberg does not have Habeus jurisdiction – that is why the plantiffs in this case dropped Habeus claims.
And that ends Boasberg’s jurisdiction entirely.
Even Justice Kagan recently on a law forum said that Nationwide Injunctions must be reigned in.
Only SCOTUS can make nationwide decisions.
The courts have no jurisdiction over war powers – the Lawsuit in Boasberg’s court is DOA.
and If Boasberg does not dismiss it immediately – that is more proof that Boasberg must be removed.
So have fun.
yesterday the administration won reversals on two of these idiotic TRO’s.
But there is an endless upply of idiot left wing judges.
Many of the 135 clases files thus far are duplicates of cases already filed.
only a tiny portion result in TRO’s
but if you file the same nonsense often enough you can follow each reversed TRO with a new briandead judge paying no attention.
I would note the problem is NOT nationwide TRO’s – they have a place, albeit they should be used extremely rarely.
The real problem is bat$hit left wing nut judges who beleive that they get to decide policy rather than legality or constitutionality.
John Say,
Well said and thank you for your analysis.
What analysis? Do you honestly think this is a habeas case? Is that what the “news” sources you routinely parrot, like JustTheNews, are feeding you?
ATS – the Tda case is not a habeus case – because the plantiffs dropped there habeus claim.
But Habeus is the ONLY legal challenge available to those being deported under the AEA.
They can challenge the governments identification of them as illegal Venezuellan immigrants who are members of Tda.
That is it. There is absolutely no other due process afforded by the AEA beyond Habeuas.
In the DC case – first Boasberg does not have jurisdiction – because there is no nexus with the DC circuit. Tda members from various places that are all NOT DC were taken to TX and deported. They were never in DC – so no jurisdiction.
Further Habeus the only due process under the AEA requires a Habeus hearing in the district in which the plantiffs were detained – that would be TX.
Next the DC plaintiffs dropped their Habeus claim – or Boasberg would have had to transfer the case to TX.
Next the Plaintiffs were NOT deported on the Planes to El Salvador.,
So again – Boasberg is asserting jurisdiction from the wrong ciruit over people who have not filed a valid claim.
With the more recent case – there is no instance in which a private plantiff has standing to challenge the w0ar and forieng relations powers of the president.
Again Boasberg has no jurisdiction.
There is nothing wrong with JTN. John Solomon is one of the few investigative reporters left int he 4th estate and he is excellent.
But no, that is not what I am relying on.
I am relying on the constitution and the law and case law, and reading the AEA and the case on the AEA,
as well as the legal oppinion of the constitutional lawyers who have been RIGHT about myriads of constitutional issues in the past 8 years.
Can you name a source you are relying on that has correctly analysed the law and constitution on a SINGLE major case int eh past 8 years ?
If you can’t – why should the oppinon of people who have been wrong about everything matter ?
Is that what the “news” sources you routinely parrot, like JustTheNews, are feeding you?
You would feel better if he did as you do – quote by rote from CNN, MSNBC, and the yentas on The View?
It’s strange that conservatives were not concerned about TRO’s and nationwide injunctions when conservative jugdes make them.
The only reason why we have this sudden need to rein in judges is because they are acting as a check on Trump’s lawless actions. That there are so many injunctions and TRO’s only shows how much Trump is pushing the boundaries of his power. He doesn’t like the fact that they are holding him back or accountable for his legally questionable and some unconstitutional EOs.
The system is working as intened, but Trump doesn’t like it. That’s too bad because that’s how our system is designed.
No george the system is not working as intended.
On of the reasons that Judges serve for life and are not elected is because their power is LIMITED.
They have no voice on policy.
They have no political role.
They are confined to the cases that legitimately are prought to them within their jurisdiction and their decisions are limited to the constitution and the law – not their personal or political preferences.
They have no power to “run” the govenrment. They have no power to tell those running the govenrment what to do.
Only what is NOT lawful or NOT constitutional.
This is not a banana republic where judges have usurped powers that are not theirs.
It is self evident from their comments and their actions these judges do not understand that.
There are already consequences of that. If it keeps up there will be worse.
The courts are undermining their trust, their credibility and ultimately their authority.
Trump has thus far promised to abide by court orders while appealing.
But more and more people do not see that as approriate or responsible.
At some point the authority of the courts will be too damaged.
I do not know if that will happen when Trump is president – but if this keeps up it will happen.
I am very hopeful that SCOTUS WILL act shortly – and hopefully unanimously.
You do not have to like Trump’s policies – but he was elected to do them.
And they are constitutional and lawful.
Nothing in the constitution says that Government can only grow unchecked.
Congress is not in court saying that its budgetary directives are being violated.
Therefore the courts can not step in.
If you do not like that – win back control of congress.
The courts may not adjudicate a conflict between congress and the executive,
when neither the executive of congress has a conflict they want resolved.
This is a common problem with the left.
You beleive if you control even the tiniest portion of government that you can leverage that to control everything.
George said:It’s strange that conservatives were not concerned about TRO’s and nationwide injunctions when conservative jugdes make them.
Let’s help Boy George out here: during the entire eight years of the Obama/Biden Reign of Error and Terror, there were TWELVE TRO’s in total. TWELVE IN EIGHT YEARS.
In the first TWO MONTHS of Trump’s presidency – EIGHTY THREE TRO’s from Soviet Democrat judges.
It isn’t strange that George can’t even put together a competent dishonest moral equivalency.
Does putting up posts like this help your sperm count go up, George?
Even if that were true, this isn’t a habeas issue. Plaintiffs alleged that the government is acting beyond its statutory powers and violating the Administrative Procedure Act (as well as other federal laws like the INA).
A petition for writ of habeas corpus is not the exclusive means of obtaining judicial review of AEA claims. The Administrative Procedure Act is also available, especially since plaintiffs are not seeking removal from confinement.
They filed in DC under the theory that most of the defendants – AG Pam Bondi, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, and so on – live in DC. This complies with 28 USC 1391(e)(1)(A), which clarifies that a “civil action in which a defendant is an officer or employee of the United States or any agency thereof acting in his official capacity or under color of legal authority, or an agency of the United States, or the United States, may, except as otherwise provided by law, be brought in any judicial district in which (A) a defendant in the action resides.”
Therefore, the court has jurisdiction to decide plaintiffs’ claims.
So, John Say, why would you focus on such an obvious red herring?
Because he doesn’t understand how the judicial system works.
If the courts worked int he way ATS claims – every criminal defendant would file a civil claim against the US AG.
ATS and you are the ones who are clueless.
28 USC 1391 is not the be all and end all of law on venue. Various other US laws have their own jurisdictional provisions.
These take precidence.
Further as a rule once venue is established – such as by Detaining you pending deportation. You must file a change of venue to change it. A civil challenge to laws that you are in custody for violating already has venue – where you are.
Says the moron who claimed that the statute of limitations could be tolled for a weekend golf trip.
“Plaintiffs alleged that the government is acting beyond its statutory powers and violating the Administrative Procedure Act (as well as other federal laws like the INA).”
Violent Criminal illegal immigrants have absolutely no standing to make such a claim.
The APA is entirely irrelevant – it only applies to powers delegated to the executive by congress.
Do you think the APA applies to the presidents power to conduct foreign relations ? To direct the military ?
The APA does not apply to powers that are executive powers.
The invocation of the AEA entirely removes the INA from the table – though US immigration law allows the presidents to deport illegal aliens from the US when they are taken into custody within 100 miles of the border and accross the united states when the President has declared an emergency – which was done. Might have even been done by Biden.
Under those circumstances – only Habeaus applies. In fact – even if the INA and APA were violated the ONLY rights illegal immigrants have are Habeus rights. Tda members did not overstay their Visa. they did not lie to get their greencard.
They have absolutely no right to be here. The only claim they can raise in court is “I am not the illegal Alien you say I am”.
Can Hatians in Haiti sue in US courts to be allowed to come to the US ? Of course not. There is no right for a non-citizen to be in the US.
There is no right if they are currently in Haiti. There is no right if they are currently in Denver.
Next Habeus claims must be made to the circuit court in which you reside.
With respect to APA claims – they must be made by congress. The APA does not creat a cause of action for US citizens much less illegal aliens.
SU Courts do not have the power to issue advisory oppinions.
They may not rule on issues that are not legitimately before them.
The only due process rights and illegal immigrant has are Habeus. They can attempt to prove they are NOT the person the administration is seeking to deport.
“A petition for writ of habeas corpus is not the exclusive means of obtaining judicial review of AEA claims. ”
A petition for Habeus is not a means to seek ANY AEA review.
The AEA does not apply to citizens – therefore no citizens rights can be violated by the AEA therefroe no Citizen can challenge the AEA.
Just as citizens can not challenge the military action against the Houthis.
“The Administrative Procedure Act is also available”
Nope. The APA is limited to the powers that Congress has delegated to the executive – while that is a great deal of what Government does. It is not so broad as you are claiming. Regardless, just like the AEA – illegal Aliens can not challenge an executive action using the APA. Arguably only Congress can assert an APA claim – and they haven’t. But even if you extent standing for APA claims beyond congress – it does NOT reach illegal aliens.
I would further note that there is very little judicial review of the AEA – and absolutely the AEA will trump the INA and APA.
Congress has the power to revoke the AEA, it has the power to modify the AEA. It has the power to change the standard of Review for the AEA – the jurisdiction of the courts is constitutionally the domain of congress, and Congress is threatening not just impeachment but reigning in that jurisdiction if the courts do not return to constitutional conduct.
The AEA is outside of Judicial review. The proper courts, witht he proper plantiffs – and we have not seen that yet.
Can challenge the use of the AEA. They can claim that one of the required elements of the AEA were not met and therefore the invocation of the AEA is not valid. But that is it. Trump’s has met the facial requirements of the AEA.
The courts do not have jurisdiction to determine if the presidential findings that were required are correct. Only if the requirements of the law and constitution were met.
I would note that while DOJ is clearly seeking to win on the AEA issue. With only a tiny bit more difficulty Tda members could be deported under normal presidential authorities.
The Immigration courts are Article II courts – not Article III. If I recall the minimal requirements – ICE must detain these people for 30days, After which they get a hearing, where the illegal immigrant must prove they have a legal right to be here. If they can not, they are found guilty of the crime of illegally entering the US and they can be immediately removed and will never be allowed to return.
At the hearing the sole issue is are you in the US legally. You can not raise an Asylum claim AFTER you have entered the US.
While the Biden admin was allowing that – the INA that you8 raise does not have that option.
There are very limited grounds to appeal an immigration court decision – again Mostly Habeus.
Illegal aliens have almost no rights in the US. Just as foreigners outside the US have no rights in US courts.
The US constitution and are laws do not apply to every person in the world. Each country is individually responsible for protecting the actual rights of its own people.
Nor can you construct a government that would actually work if that government gave everyone in the world the same rights as citizens.
In the case of the plantiffs in the Boasberg case – the only confinement was purely pending deportation.
“They filed in DC under the theory that most of the defendants – AG Pam Bondi, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, and so on – live in DC.”
These are illegal aliens and they are subject to the AEA – they have almost no civil rights. They have no visa, they have no residency, they have no citizenship. They do not have standing. The only jurisdiction the courts have under the AEA is Habeus and that must be done in the district the person being deported is in and must be done individually.
Even if you ignore the AEA – then this is a matter for the Article II immigration courts – AGAIN DC circuit has no jurisdiction.
After a deportation order in Article II courts, Then an illegal alient plaintif could challenge on Habeus – but again, only in the district they are in.
In the case of Khalil – who has a VISA and may have a green card. a VISA or Green card provides SOME additional rights which both the Article II immigration court, and an appeal to Article II courts can address. But there is no VISA or green card issue in these cases.
Finally the 5 plantiffs were not deported, they remain in the US – so again this is a matter for the Article II immigration courts.
“This complies with 28 USC 1391(e)(1)(A)”
Without addressing the law, your asserting a civil right – the only civil rights an illegal immigrant has are Habeus and very very limited due process. And under Habeus – jurisdiction is in the court where plantif is currently.
“You can not raise an Asylum claim AFTER you have [illegally] entered the US.”
Fixed.
ATS – there are myriads of laws in the US – you can always grab one, and pretend it is applicable.
But our legal system is a SYSTEM of laws. They do not act standalone.
Illegal aliens have extremely limited rights. They generally have very few civil rights and very limited ability to sue anyone – much less the federal govenrment.
Regardless, even int eh case of actual citizens, do you think a Drug dealer arrested for violating Federal Drug laws in Texas can Sue the US AG and secure venue in DC ?
Venue in immigration cases is where the immigrant is detained. Jurisdiction in immigration cases is with OCIJ – basically the immigration courts. Habeus Claims move to the Federal district court where the detention is taking place.
Even in Criminal cases defendants do not get to change venue, by reclassifying themselves as plantiffs and naming Officiers of he US as defendants.
Please read Judge Walkers excellent disent in the 3 judge per currium oppinion on the Boasberg case – per curium because even the two left wing nuts who were also way off base on the Immunity case could not agree with each other
Walker dismantled this.
This case started as a habeus case.
It is a claim about illegal detention and deportation, the releif sought is habeus releif. Even if the AEA was not an issue the only releif the plantiffs could get was habeues relief. It was the Judge who told the Plantifs to change the title of the case to something other than habeus.
There are myriads of deportation appeals to the Federal Circuit courts – they are all Habeus claims, because the only relief availble in the federal circuit courts is habeus releif.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck – its a duck.
Habeus claims must by long standing law be made int he district in which the person was held – TX.
With respect to the APA. Walker noted that the plantiffs are challenging Trump’s invocation of the AEA.
The AEA is a presidential action. The APA only applies to Agency actions – the Plantiffs can not challenge the AEA or the validity of Trump invoking it as an APA claim. APA claims require a govenrment agency to have violated a citizens rights – or at the very least someone who is legally in the US and therefor has rights, the only rights that illegal aliens have are Habeus rights – not the right to APA claims.
There will likely be a direct appeal to SCOTUS tomorow. It is entirely possible that SCOTUS could crib Judge Walkers opinion and dismiss this without hearing it.
You can challenge my legal reasoning – you can challenge walkers – trying to call it stupid is massive overreach.
You can disagree with Walker. You can agree with the two left wing nuts who have been repeatedly overturned by SCOTUS.
But you still have a major problem.
It is the Plantiffs claims that are NOVEL.
The plantiffs are trying to challenge the AEA using the APA – do you have a single instance of the APA every being used to challenge a presidents invocation of a law ? Do you have a single instance of the APA being used to challenge a presidential finding ?
The APA applies only to specific types of agency actions, and can not be used to challenge a presidents EO’s or his findings.
To the extent that the presidents invocation of the AEA is judicially reviewable that would be in an a Habeus hearing.
The AEA is about detention and Deportation – the remedy is Habeus.
Do you have a single instance of the APA being used to challenge the deportation of an illegal immigrant ?
Do you have a single instance of an illegal immigrant challenging their deportation in the Article III courts that is not a Habeus claim ?
Do you have a single instance ever of a Judge creating and then certifying a class in a case involving the deportation of illegal aleins ?
While on extremely rare occasions highly unusual challenges that are outside of the normal legal procedures actually succeed.
They are very rare.
The fact that something has never been done that way before always means the odds of success are low – and that is an important criteria for a TRO.
If Boasberg was a Federal Judge in TX entertaining a Habeus claim from Tda members he could probably issue a TRO applying to that district While he addressed Trump’s invocation of the AEA. I can not conceive of a way that would survive. Trump’s use of the AEA meets the requirements of the law, and presidential findings that are the basis for his use of the AEA are not reviewable by the courts.
The courts get to decide if the AEA’s criteria for being invoked have been met.
They do NOT get to decide whether Trump’s presidential finding that the Tda incusrion into the US is a Maduro government backed act of war.
Again the judiciary rules on the constitution and the law.
They do not get to rule on policy choices, foreign policy, their opinion on the conclusions reached by the president.
You are not actually quoting Ludecke, you are quoting a summary of Ludecke.
Wrong. I am quoting verbatim from Ludecke – which you knew as you were about to launch into why you hope it will not apply here.
So why did you feel it necessary to insinuate I was quoting a summary from outside of Ludecke? Because you were about to launch into a weak sauce argument that, while it was okay for Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman to do this, it’s different when Trump does it?
That Boasberg, a corrupt basement level judge who refused to recuse himself while the canons of the federal judiciary require him to do so when his daughter is merching out being paid to try and stop deportations, is more authorative on presidents’ use of this Act than SCOTUS ?
That the words saying this was not subject to Boasberg’s judical review don’t really matter under your theories?
Here’s the verbatim quote, right down to a bit beyond where you started bitching and whining, to get you back on track, hack:
Ludecke v. Watkins, 335 U.S. 160 (1948)
Ludecke v. Watkins
No. 723
Argued May 3-4, 1948
Decided June 21, 1948
335 U.S. 160
CERTIORARI TO THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
Syllabus
Under authority of the Alien Enemy Act of 1798, which empowers the President, whenever there is a “declared war” between the United States and any foreign country, to provide for the removal of alien enemies from the United States, the President, on July 14, 1945, directed the removal of all alien enemies “deemed by the Attorney General to be dangerous” to the public safety. The Attorney General, on January 18, 1946, ordered removal of petitioner, a German national, from the United States. Challenging the validity of the removal order, petitioner instituted habeas corpus proceedings in the Federal District Court to secure his release from detention under the order.
Held:
1. The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order. Pp. 335 U. S. 163-166.
2. In the circumstances of relations between the United States and Germany, there exists a “declared war” notwithstanding the cessation of actual hostilities, and the order is enforceable. Pp. 335 U. S. 166-170.
3. The Alien Enemy Act, construed as permitting resort to the courts only to challenge its validity and construction, and to raise questions of the existence of a “declared war” and of alien enemy status, does not violate the Bill of lights of the Federal Constitution. Pp. 335 U. S. 170-171.
4. The fact that hearings are utilized by the Executive to secure an informed basis for the exercise of the summary power conferred by the Act does not empower the courts to retry such hearings, nor does it make the withholding of such power from the courts a denial of due process. Pp. 335 U. S. 171-172.
163 F.2d 143 affirmed.
Would you like to attempt another semantics defense of Boasberg – same judge who allowed Obama and Biden to use the FISA court rooms he was in charge of as Democrat perjury factories.
Same judge that never threw a single one of Obama’s Attorney Generals and FBI Directors and lawyers who repeatedly perjured themselves to his face in those FISA courtrooms in jail for doing so?
Or is this a different Boasberg – an honest, uncorrupted one?
I used to love New York; I found my wife in Manhattan, and our time there were golden years for us. Haven’t been there since 2015, and even then the rot was apparent; many of the local places we loved are gone. Our saner friends have moved out, and I cannot imagine going there ever again. Sadly, the city has become an unironic front for all that is wrong with globalism, caste logic, and unruliness. It is very sad.
I know New York (my extended family still has a home a little upstate, but they bought it long, long before it was a wealthy place), and what it is now is simply a joke and a caricature, and yes, at the hands of the wealthiest of all. They can take their shouts of ‘oligarchy’ and stick them where the sun don’t shine, that is the kind of absurd that explodes brains. If it weren’t a port city, coordinating trade, it would likely have collapsed by now; but then again, it is pretty much owned whole hog by the global elite, so elite, no one could ever hope to catch up in an honest fashion. No surprise it breeds the worst.
The mentality of many citizens there is pretty effing ridiculous and precious. New York is dead, as far as I’m concerned. Even ‘hipsters’ I know living in Brooklyn think so, having no recourse with how awful life has become there with all the modern blue. And that is something: these are people that can tolerate a LOT.
James,
Unfortunately the people of places like NY and the failed state of CA, just keep voting for Democrats and bad Democrat policies. Will the situation get to the point where it is so bad, these people wake up and vote for their best interest? Is that what is is going to take? Meanwhile, those with the means are leaving in droves as was noted by IRS tax filings, companies leaving for better states, U-Haul stats and even more telling, loss of Congressional seats. And it is predicted even more losses of Congressional seats.
Side note, while in boot camp, making a head call in a port-o-potty, a recruit wrote on the wall, “Paris Island is a lot like New York City if you can make it here you can make it anywhere”
@Upstate
Indeed they do. and based on the words of friends we still have there, this is not likely to change anytime soon. We really can count the vehemently still blue places out; it is not going to change. There just does not seem to be any getting through to a calcified leftist brain in 2025. ‘Trump broke people’ is sadly, a reality, the well-being of the country be damned.
Some of those people I mentioned previously in places like Brooklyn, even though they are very unhappy, still have TDS like you can catch it from a conversation. It’s madness. And you’d better believe they will continue to vote blue for their ‘survival’ (huh? Gobsmacked).
We had better keep our eyes on the likes of Wisconsin. This is not the time to be cocky. Things could still turn on a dime and a flash. Arrogance has no place in any of this, we are not even close to done. The dems don’t give two poops about their approval numbers, just power, and they will happily seize it even if most of us very demonstrably think they are evil. People are still acting as though this globalist regime cares one whit about law, except for how it might serve them, themselves.
I have lived and played in NYC for years and the decline is so sad to watch. It is not a city to visit anymore — other than the museums and some of the arts. Restaurants are not busy because people don’t rush into the city to dine. Great chefs are moving out-of-state and local NJ CT and upper NY State tout great restaurants. When bragging rights are gone for where you dine, what you’ve seen, what will be left of NYC? I have seen NYC come back from the edge several times, but this time, I’m not so sure. Go to where? Anyone optimistic?!
A psychiatrist is needed to evaluate the woman’s behavior. I’m not qualified.
He might have taken her down and put a knee on her shoulder except no one appeared fearful in the car.
Professor Turley, More attacks on free speech from Trump on another Columbia student.
Where’s your outrage?
“Yunseo Chung is a lawful permanent resident who has lived in the United States since she was 7 years old, according to the complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York on Tuesday. Though technically a Korean national, the U.S. is “the only country she has ever known,” the 48-page lawsuit explains. The 21-year-old junior has a 3.99 GPA and is highly engaged in various extracurricular activities, the lawsuit notes. Before that, Chung was her high school’s valedictorian. But the plaintiff’s academic achievements have seemingly been overshadowed by her participation in protests related to the Israel-Hamas war, the lawsuit says…
…To hear Chung and her attorneys tell it, those low-profile rallying efforts have made her a marked woman in the Trump administration’s eyes — and, in turn, prompted government agents up and down the line to initiate a carbon copy of the process that resulted in fellow Columbia student Mahmoud Khalil’s administrative detention in a Louisiana lockup without charges.
On or around March 8, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its offshoot Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) “began a series of unlawful efforts to arrest, detain, and remove Ms. Chung from the country because of her protected speech,” the lawsuit says.
While Chung seems to have evaded detention so far, on March 10, one of her attorneys fielded law enforcement requests and took note of increasingly aggressive efforts to search for and detain her.
The lawsuit explains, at length:
AUSA [Perry] Carbone stated that the Secretary of State had revoked Ms. Chung’s visa. Attorney [Naz] Ahmad explained that Ms. Chung is a U.S. permanent resident, and that she is not present in the United States on a visa.
AUSA Carbone then stated that “the Secretary of State has revoked that,” too. Counsel for Ms. Chung offered that the Secretary of State does not have the unilateral authority to revoke permanent resident status. When Attorney Ahmad inquired further, AUSA Carbone could not explain the justification for the government’s purported action.
Later that same day, AUSA Carbone texted Attorney Ahmad a copy of an administrative arrest warrant naming Ms. Chung. The administrative arrest warrant did not specify under which provision of the immigration law Ms. Chung would be subject to deportation.
Her lawyers, on the other hand, say the warrants were based on “false pretenses” and meant to arrest her because of the viewpoint of her protest activities.
“The government’s retaliation against Ms. Chung comes in a broader context of retaliation against other noncitizens who have exercised their First Amendment rights,” the lawsuit reads. “Officials at the highest levels of the federal government have made clear that they intend to use immigration enforcement to punish noncitizens who speak out in support of Palestinians and Palestinian rights, or who are perceived to have engaged in such speech.”
‘A bludgeon to suppress speech’: Student preemptively sues Trump admin over apparent plans to deport her for protests over Israel-Hamas war
Ignorant.
who are you quoting , clown? you copy what looks like a whole article, put it in quotation marks, then provide no source. clown pretending to be superior.
Google is your friend, perhaps you’ve heard of it. It is a wonderful search engine that you can use to search anything you want. Perhaps you should try it.
clown, are ou saying ou quoted google? Now that is really funny.
did you refer to your quotation marks as citing text from Google? pretty funny.
George loves quoting google.
For George, Google is what he deflects to before taking refuge in the Soviet Democrat clown car that brings him here to perform his Marxist vaudeville political theater.
George, you seem to be the rabble-rouser, or resident leftist cultist here. It’s simple. It’s not an attack on the student’s free speech. The student is a foreign national. That means they follow certain rules or they’re expelled. That’s simple. That’s the law. The Trump administration has made it clear that the anti-semitic attacks on people, harassment and bullying they call protesting, is in conflict with their continued acceptance as foreign nationals in this country. You cannot support terrorists, use your support to harass and bully other students while here on a student visa. Sorry but your feelings do not trump federal law. They are granted 1st amendment rights, certainly, but the first amendment doesn’t preclude, and never has precluded consequences for your actions.
Sorry to hurt your fee fees. You’re loss is not my concern.
Turley speaks of “curious silence” of actual journalists in not discussing what, at best, is a minor misdemeanor (assuming there would be a conviction–something I wouldn’t bet on) because they are busy covering the unsecured platform scandal exposed by Jeffrey Goldberg and the lies and personal attacks on him. First of all, the “media” Turley speaks of that see this hat-grabbing incident as a big deal are not “conservative”–they are MAGA media–set up and financed by American oligarchs to get gullibles to support the Cult of Trump, so that they can get huge tax breaks and elimination of consumer and environmental protections, paid for by cutting Medicare, Medicaid, school lunches, USAID and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Oh, and you might add FEMA to the list, too–that ignorant dog-killing Noem announced she was shutting down FEMA.
Secondly, Trump is toxic–a liar, someone who cheated his way into office by lying about the ability to immediately bring down grocery prices–something he admits got him elected–and he has already undermined American democracy. He sold the power to push around and fire federal employees as well as access to our most-sensitive personal information to his largest campaign donor, who has not been vetted by the FBI, who does not have a security clearance, who does not work for any actual federal agency, and who has not sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution. We have no way of knowing who all have seen or have access to our Social Security Numbers, bank account and routing numbers and tax returns. Are we supposed to hope that Musk’s tech bros won’t sell our information or negligently allow it to be accessed by malign actors?
People are rightfully fed up and rightfully are triggered by MAGA hats–just like people are rightfully triggered by swasticas and the Nazi salute. That is not saying that assaulting people is appropriate–but displaying support for a lying criminal who cheated his way into office is offensive, and Turley and MAGA media cannot whitewash it under the rubric of freedom of speech.
Speaking of “curious silence”, why hasn’t Turley commented on inviting a journalist to join a discussion about a military attack, then lying about the information being classified, trying to blame Joe Biden, attacking the journalist and accusing him of being a “Trump hater” and attacking his integrity–all because he exposed their indefensible conduct? Another thing–they deleted the message chain–a violation of federal law–all such communications are required to be retained and sent to the National Archives. And, that is probably the reason they used this platform in the first place–to cover their tracks. All of these people involved in this scandal are incompetent and in way over their heads–just like mainstream media and Democrats said–all of them–especially zit-faced Gabbard, who has no relevant experience in intelligence and who, like Trump, simply cannot tell the truth. How are the American people supposed to feel about this? How do you think this looks to our allies? As Senator Duckworth pointed out, she doubts that our allies will share sensitive information down the road because this administration has proven that it is not only incompetent, that it will not admit errors or commit to avoiding them in the future. I wouldn’t blame them if they kept sensitive information from us because we have proven that can no longer be trusted–which means that America is way less safe going forward.
Minor assaults – assassinations of CEO’s, Keying Teslas. Arson.
All political violence
You are correct – there likely would not be a conviction in NYC
And that is the damning point.
John Say,
Well said. Some day someone is going to say enough to the far left wing domestic and political violence.
USF – and I am worried about that.
Pretty much always when one side goes bat$chiff crazy – the temptation by the other to over reach – atleast a little is great, worse still even without overreach the legitimate response to overreach by one side is to take staps that are legitimate but only to be used when all else has failed.
We are actually approaching a situation where the extreme nonsense of the courts is so great that the administration may have to ignore the courts.
In the Boasberg case the administration did not turn the planes arround when they were 30minutes from landing in El Salvador.
Technically they violated a court order. But there really was no choice, the planes could not just turn arround. and they were long out of Baosberg’s jurisdiction. Boasberg is furious and throwning a hissy fit. He is making further demands and the DOJ is mostly not cooperating. And Boasberg is not doing anything about it.
The courts are playing chicken with the administration,
Regardless, There is a point at which The president MUST ignore the courts and do his constitutional job.
That is particularly the case where the courts have usurped the role of the executive.
Presidents are supposed to obey court orders.
Courts are supposed to follow the constitution and law and NOT take on the role of the executive.
So long as the courts confine themselves to the law and the constitution the circumstance where a president refuses to obey a court order should not ever occur, Or at the very least it should be almost impossibly rare.
But once that bridge is crossed – it could well be gone forever. it is hard to put the jennie back int he bottle.
Turley warned republicans and democrats against political impeachments. Those warnings were ignored.
I do nto beleive our founders intended for political impeachments. Republicans had a fig leaf in the Clinton impeachment – Clinton obstructed justice and perjured himself twice. If I were a senator I would have voted to remove him. But at the same time – this was all over a sex scandal, and had nothing to do with official acts. He could have and should have been prosecuted after he left office.
The Trump impeachments were pure politics. And the Jeannie has been let out of the bottle.
Our founders did not want political impeachments – but there is no check on the power to impeach beyond the voters and the trial in the senate. Political impeachments are constitutional. They are just a bad idea.
Political impeachments of judges are constitutional
I do not beleive Republicans should impeach any of these judges YET. But I do beleive they should hold impeachment inquiries.
Threaten impeachment.
There are SMALL changes to the laws I support – 3 judge panels reviewing nationwide TROs – there IS a valid reason not to foreclose nationwide TRO’s That does not mean that the courts have not abused them.
But there are bigger changes being considered.
We should not do anything large quickly in response to judicial overreach – except in an emergency.
And the judiciary should back down from forcing an emergency.
Judicial overreach can become normalized – it is becoming normalized – SCOTUS must act quickly and decisively
That creates far less problems than Presidents ignoring court orders or congress impeaching judges.
It is not that the big responses are wrong.
It is that once we go there – we may never be able to come back.
A variety of senate rules that moderated politics and reigned in the excesses of government are gone – probably forever.
Democrats acted, Republicans benefited, and we can not go back.
These courts do not understand the damage they are doing to themselves.
Nor that we can not go back.
The left does not understand that the changes it forces on us – good or bad are likely permanent.
i do not mean policy changes – those ebb and flow. I mean changes to institutional norms.
It’s not even political violence. She was just harrassing the poor guy. Turley characterized it as “extreme conduct” which is laughable. You can tell he was trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill with this story.
He’s running out of excuses to avoid the real serious stories like Trump attacking free speech, and the fiasco of the “group chat from hell”. Hillary is certainly laughing now.
That was a set up. They know who did it. Goldberg is unethical.
George says It’s not even political violence.
In his usual inarticulate, reading comprehension deprived way, George is trying to say It was a mostly peaceful protest!
George it is inarguably political.
The violence was minor – but it was violence.
Yes, and the elderly, the poor, the handicapped can’t get out of New York like celebrities announce I’m leaving.
Shutting down fema? Not really, the fema money will go to States to p!ss it away, graft it or use it wisely. He’s cutting the federal workforce. Each State can construct their own fema and hire too many employees on the taxpayer.
Yall appear to be gubment employees or take gubment money. A minority are actually employed in private industry? 22 million State and fed employees? People tend to luv the hand that feeds them.
Soc sec should be doubled.
@Gigi
You are a prolific troll, I’ll give you that, but you must be mighty privileged to be able to come here and do this every day. Keep sucking on that silver spoon, Gigi. It’s more comfort than we will ever give you, or the world at large, for that matter. You may still live in a castle, even if you haven’t noticed the castle is dead, and no one ‘beneath you’ is bringing you snacks anymore.
You are a clown and we all think you are a clown. But in a truly free country, even clowns are entitled to their opinions, so trudge on. We will also trudge on and reject you whole hog.
James: how does calling me names address the points I raised? Was it OK to use Signal, which is easily hacked, for this type of communication? Was it OK to send Jeff Goldberg an offer to join? Was he wrong to report this incident? Was it OK to delete the message chain, when federal law requires preserving these records and transmitting them to the NARA? Is it OK to attack Goldberg over this incident, to call him names, accuse him of lying, instead of admitting that a serious error was made and promising to take steps to reassure the American people and our allies that steps will be taken to make sure it never happens again?
Your response is typical MAGA–attack anyone who says something you don’t like, call them a trolll, a liar, and never, ever admit you are wrong. And it is also part of MAGA indoctrination to be misled into believing that MAGA speaks for most Americans–it does not–so you are incorrect in referring to you and other MAGAs as “we”.
This incident exposes the danger of inexperienced and unqualified people running the DOD and our intelligence agencies. Every one of the persons in the Trump administration who was on that message chain should be fired or resign on their own–every last one of them. They should know better and bear some responsibility for national security. And, why were people like Susie Wiles and Steven Miller included? What do they have to do with this military operation? Instead, Hegseth and Gabbard lied and that stupid “press secretary” attacked Jeff Goldberg. So, they forced him to disclose more of the message chain, and it is clear that the information was classified–they are lying about that, too. It’s pathetic. America is no longer the leader of the free world, and our allies are just shaking their heads in disbelief.
Gigi posted: Was it OK to use Signal, which is easily hacked, for this type of communication?
Dear Gigi (or should I say, Dear Whole Hog?):
BIDEN AUTHORIZED SIGNAL FOR USE BY SENIOR MEMBERS OF CABINET, AND STARTED THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING IT ON THEIR DEVICES. THE TECHIES WHO INSTALLED IT ON BIDEN DEVICES THEN INSTALLED IT ON THE INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DEVICES
I know you claim to be a lawyer, a registered nurse, etc… but:
If your IQ score ever climbs to 50, you should immediately sell.
WHERE IS THE PROOF OF WHAT YOU CLAIM? As I said in previous posts, the losers and liars in the Trump administration and MAGA media would try to find some way, any way, to blame Joe Biden for their screw up. From PBS:
“Signal touts the privacy of its service — and experts agree it is more secure than conventional texting.
But it could be hacked.
Government officials have used Signal for organizational correspondence, such as scheduling sensitive meetings, but in the Biden administration, people who had permission to download it on their White House-issued phones were instructed to use the app sparingly, according to a former national security official who served in the administration.
The official, who requested anonymity to speak about methods used to share sensitive information, said Signal was most commonly used to notify someone that they should check for a classified message sent through other means.
Beyond concerns about security, Signal and other similar apps may allow users to skirt open records laws. Without special archiving software, the messages frequently aren’t returned under public information requests.
In the Atlantic article, Goldberg wrote that some messages were set to disappear after one week and some after four.”
THIS IS NOT BIDEN’S FAULT–it is the fault of the unqualified and inexperienced losers Trump nominated for his administration. Biden’s administration did NOT use Signal for discussing classified information–more MAGA media lies and distortions.
“Was it OK to use Signal”
Yes according to the Biden CIA that recomended it for exactly these types of exchanges.
“which is easily hacked,”
You and Trump are both on the same page and wrong. There is no evidence that Signal is easily hacked.
It is so secure that the French arrested its CEO to force him to provide them a backdoor.
It is probably that the NSA can decrypt Signal communications – but NOT in real time.
Military encrption – which is what is appropriate for these types of communications must be FAST to encrypt and decryrp and
take sufficient time to crack that the information will no longer be operationally useful by the time it is cracked.
Conversely diplomatic messages can take a great deal of effort and time to encrypt and decrypt but must be secure for decades.
The communications of spies must be not only difficult to decrypt but difficult to detect. Because merely detecting it will cost the spies life.
My point is that the security criteria for different exchanges is quite different. Signal is an excellent fit for what it was being used for here.
Real time exchange of information that is only dangerous for a short period of time.
Conversely ambassadors and spies should not be using signal.
While soldiers have other tools – signal would be approriate for battefield communications.
“Was it OK to send Jeff Goldberg an offer to join? ”
No, that was an error.
If it was an accident it is embarrassing – and the person responsible should suffer consequences.
If it was deliberate it is a crime.
“Was he wrong to report this incident?”
I have no poblem with Goldberg’s actions – he was free to publish. Just as WaPo and NYT published he pentago papers.
” Was it OK to delete the message chain”
Yes,
“when federal law requires preserving these records and transmitting them to the NARA?”
False. Every communication in governemnt is not a record.
“Is it OK to attack Goldberg over this incident, to call him names, accuse him of lying,”
Yes -= you do that all the time. Go read your own messages. You insult everyone you are politically at odds with.
Didn’t you just call Gabbard Zit Faced ?
“instead of admitting that a serious error was made”
An error was made – there should be consequences.
In this instance it was NOT a serious error.
But there ARE circumstances in which it could have been
What if Goldberg was accidentally included in a chat involving US negotiations over the Ukraine Peace deal.
and Goldberg published the actual bottom line positions of US government in the midst of negotiations ?
That would have been serious and would have made a peace deal near impossible.
Goldberg would have not only be free to publish but arguably obligated to.
But the consequences would have been much worse than this.
You completely misunderstand secure communications.
There is no perfect security system.
The military wants Fast not easily intercepted and secure while the operation is ongoing – hours not years.
Diplomacy requires communications that are secure – sometimes for decades.
Communications with spies have to be relatively easy, and highly secure. The spy is dead if the communications are even detected.
These are just a few of the different needs and therefore different systems.
Signal was perfectly appropriate for this purpose.
“promising to take steps to reassure the American people and our allies that steps will be taken to make sure it never happens again?”
No one ca promise that
There is no such thing as a perfectly secure system. Systems we can not crack today – will be crackable 10 years from now.
There is a whole massive area of math devoted to secure communications. The very best of systems used perfectly are still ultimately vulnerable. But the two most common failures of secure systems are hubris, and human mistakes.
The germans beleived enigma was uncrackable and as a result they used it massively. Contra the stories throughout much of WWII we were dependent on mistakes made by the Germans to decrypt Enigma – pattenrs in messages that we KNEW were present and allowed the code breakers a jump start. Errors in the messages that turned billions of possibilities into thousands.
During the Cold war the US made the same mistakes. US Atlantic Naval encyption was just a permutation of the German Enigma (as was that used by Russia). The Peublo incident resulted in the Russians getting atleast one encoding/decoding terminal which they copied.
Now all they needed was the keys – which John Walker provided for years. For possibly a decade Russia was reading US atlantic fleed naval communications as if they were plain text.
Mistakes happen – we can learn and reduce – but the world will never be perfect.
Only left wing nuts beleive in utopia on earth.
“This incident exposes the danger of inexperienced and unqualified people running the DOD and our intelligence agencies.”
Nope. It was stupid to accidentally add Goldberg, it was embarrassing, but it was never a security threat.
Even if Goldberg transmitted this information to the Houthis in real time – there was nothing they could do with it.
This was not a national security issue.
I do not read what you write because it is a waste of time. But, I am curious to know–how much do they pay you to write delusional MAGA rants you publish?
😂 whole hog? Must be a BBQ?
There’s enough piggy in Gigi to run a week of BBQ.
The Goldberg story is a tempest in a teapot.
It is embarrassing.
It will likely get some people fired.
Nothing more.
“they can get huge tax breaks and elimination of consumer and environmental protections, paid for by cutting Medicare, Medicaid, school lunches, USAID and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Oh, and you might add FEMA to the list, too–that ignorant dog-killing Noem announced she was shutting down FEMA.”
Please sir can I have more.
RCI found 1503 Government agencies that congress has failed to reauthorize.
Some have not been authorized for 50 years.
Cut them all.
Trump is still polling over 50%. Higher than he ever has.
Higher than any president since 2011 or 2004 depending on which left wing poll you use.
Repuiblicans are polling more than 10pts lower.
Democrats are polling more than 10pts below republicans and dropping – though they have to hit a floor sometime soon.
The numbers indicating whether the nation is headed in the right direction are at levels not seen for 50 years.
Most people are not paying attention to you.
You Don’t Matter anymore
John Say,
“You Don’t Matter anymore.”
And that is why the Gigis, Dennis, Georges of the world a jumping up and down screaming. No one is paying attention to them anymore. They have become irrelevant by their own doing. And they cannot stand it.
John, don’t get too cocky. Remember, it only takes a couple of huge “mistakes” like the Goldberg story which is a very serious security breach.
It shows Trump’s cabinet picks are a bunch of incompetents. His immigration agenda is not producing the numbers he promised and it looks like he is illegally bypassing due process by obfuscating to the courts.
Then there are the punishments for students exercising free speech, political speech.
In the maelstrom that is this “tempest in a teacup” where are our grocery price decreases? Why is inflation still rising, and why are we not seeing a brighter future in our economy?
I think having a mentally incapacitated President was a pretty big security risk. And, I think that covering up for it was a pretty big security risk, and I think that having your drug-addicted son sit in on high level meetings was a pretty big security risk. But, that did not seem to bother you guys none, so what’s the big deal here? Nobody can take you seriously when you are such a partisan Democrat shill. You are a Trans-smart person, and a Trans-Concerned Citizen. It is all a pretense for you.
Floyd,
Well said and good point. The slow and dumb one has only proven that he does not think for himself but requires on Google to think for him. Anything and everything he says should be taken as someone else’s thoughts. Thankfully we have independent thinkers and actual lawyers like Lin, John Say, OldManFromKS, WiseOldLawyer and others to point out the slow and dumb one’s lies or misinformation.
georgie, don’t get too cocky. Remember, it only takes few fellow commenters to correct you, but you don’t seem to learn, as Meyer says. Why is your resistance still rising, and why are we not seeing a brighter georgie in this blog?
George thinks they would be competent if the men wore dresses- like under BIDEN!
“Remember, it only takes a couple of huge “mistakes” like the Goldberg story which is a very serious security breach.”
Again tempest in a teapot.
This should be easy for even you to understand.
The Houthis KNEW we were comming. NOTHING was secret.
These messages did NOT identify specific targets and even if they did and the Houthis got them in real time,
they would not have been able to do anything.
There COULD have been a “huge mistake” – that would be using Signal and including goldberg for communications involving peace negotiations with Russia.
“It shows Trump’s cabinet picks are a bunch of incompetents.”
But it does not. This was either malicious – unlikely, in which case someone will be prosecuted,. or accident – in which case a staffer or at worse Waltz should resign. The remaining people did not make poor choices.
There was absolutely no problem using Signal for this. In fact it was pretty much perfect for this.
” His immigration agenda is not producing the numbers he promised and it looks like he is illegally bypassing due process by obfuscating to the courts.”
Strange argument – The courts are making it impossible to deport illegal immigrants so the people should blame Trump ?
The Border has been locked tighter than it has been possibly in 50 years.
Drugs getting in are down by 2/3 fentanyl overdoses are way down.
I would note that the drug war like all wars is dynamic – when the defense improves the offense changes.
One of the reasons for the agressive stance with Canada is that even though Fentayl from Canada to the US is minor now – Billions are involved. If the US mexico border becomes too difficutl – Drug Cartels will find a new way in.
Canada is next. The US is not going to be able to build a wall along the northern border.
But Canada can much more easily secure itself. Canada only has to secure ports of entry and the whole US north border is secure.
Regardless for NOW new immigrants are way down.
For NOW drug imports are way down.
Getting rid of Tda – FAST and getting rid of MS13 is also important to crime and the drug war.
We can not eliminate illegal drugs in the US. But we can get rid of iextremely violent llegal immigrants engavged in drug and other criminal activites. That will not bring about utopia. But it will bring about improvement.
If there is really an innocent trans hairdressor in El Salvador – file a writ of habeaus and get him out – that is the due process that actually exists in our law.
But those of you on the left are NOT trying to Tweak what Trump is doing to protect a tiny number of innocents.
That I can support.
You are trying to stop all deportations including violent drug dealers.
Few americans are crying over the demise of USAID.
Only slightly more are worried about auditing Social Security and medicare.
No one wants to stp legitimate payments.
But everyone should want ot stop fraud.
Your trying to stop audits.
If DOGE makes too many mistakes and cuts off Medicare to a 99yr old grandmother – the courts will intervene and there will be political h311 to pay.
But your not protecting Grandma, your protecting fraudsters.
most of care about. Criminals and drug dealers must go.
But the US is reindustrializing that has been occuring for a while, but it is going slowly.
Tarriff threats are speeding that up – though ti was inevitable.
Regardless it will take time.
Get the economy moving rebuild the US industrial base reshore production and the US will NEED more workers.
When we actually run out of able citizens when wages rise when the economy is growing faster.
Few will care about hard working Venezeulans.
The US political hostility to immigrants will go away when the economy is much stronger.
I would note Europe also has a growing hostility to immigrants.
But Europe already has a worker shortage.
Despite their claims of enlightenment most of Europe is far more hostile to immigrants than the US.
And they will likely destroy their own future over it.
“Then there are the punishments for students exercising free speech, political speech.”
No lots of Americans are angry about the pro hammas antisemetic protests and speech on campus.
But the punihsments are for violence, and destruction of property.
Further if you are a US citizen and you are stupid enough to violently protest for Hamas – you might as will be protesting for NAzis,
The worst that is likely to happen is that you will be arrested, fined, and maybe expelled.
If you are not violent even that is highly unlikely.
But if you are a foriegn student – you are getting deported – and americans are fine with that.
This may be hard for you – but you can be refused entry over politics, you can be denied a visa or have a visa revoked, you can lose resident status. Illegal aliens have almost no rights. Legal aliens have some rights – but very little free speech rights.
Durring WWI Germans and italians who were peaceful, said nothing, were not nazi’s were deported merely for being Germans or itlaians.
That is legal, constitutional. The rights of aliens are NOT the same as citizens. While they have some rights – they do not have the right to be here.
“In the maelstrom that is this “tempest in a teacup” where are our grocery price decreases? ”
Eggs are down. Gas is down.
“Why is inflation still rising”
The rate of inflation is dropping.
Inflation will not stop.
We have had inflation since the creation of the Federal Reserve.,
Central banks require inflation to fundtion.
But target inflation is a bit over 1%.
If Trump actually succeeded in mil;d deflation – the FED would FORCE 1-2% inflation.
So long as we have the FED we will have some inflation.
“why are we not seeing a brighter future in our economy?”
Are you finally admitting that the past 3 years sucked ?
We are already seeing the early signs of recovery.
My due dilligence business has doubled in the past month. It is still pathetic and I can not rehire people.
I still can not make a living at it much less hire others. But it is improving and that improvement is expected to grow.
My embedded software work is starting to rise again – slowly but still improving not declining.
Massive investment in the US was announced int he past month.
That will not boost things instantly – but it will boost things eventually.
We still have lots of economic problems most have been arround for 20+ years.
We MUST cut government spending. Much more than Republicans want.
You can rant about Musk and his chainsaw – but that is the kind of cutting we need – even if it is painful and even is lots of mistakes are made.
Again you left wing nuts fixate on utopia.
We are human and we are governed by humans. Perfection will not occur. Incremental improvement might.
Regardless we must make a society with the people we have – not the ones we wish we had.
left wing nuts constantly seek to FORCE people to be some left wing idea of better.
That does not work.
If you are so stupid as to beleive half the country is racist – you had better stop fighting racism and figure out how to make a racist country work. Half the country is not racist, regardless the way to end racism is not FORCE.
Humans improve incrementally – on their own.
We do not need and the cost benefit of the type of govenrment YOU want is very negative.
As usual, you cite NO source for your claim about Trump’s polling numbers. Virtually every poll I could find has him way underwater–disapproval much higher than approval. And virtually every poll I’ve seen says that consumer confidence is low and that America is headed in the wrong direction. That’s why people are taking to the streets every single day, attending town hall meetings by the thousands and picketing outside Tesla dealerships. Here are 3 polls:
The most recent poll from The Economist, updated March 13, shows that 46% of registered voters surveyed had a favorable opinion of Trump and 51% were unfavorable.
A Fox News poll put Trump at 49% favorable and 51% unfavorable.
A Civiqs poll updated March 19 saw Trump with a 44% favorable and 53% unfavorable score nationally.
Gigi, I do not owe you cites.
My factual claims on nearly everything have been correct hear for years.
My reading of the crytsal ball though less than perfect has been far better than those of you on the left.
I have not always got the exact reasonong of SCOTUS and even lower courts right.
But I get their decisions right probably 80-90% of the time.
What that says is that not only do I have a good grasp of the law and constitution – but I also am good at understanding the views of people I do not agree with perfectly.
I can tell you what SCOTUS will decide AND why they are wrong (or right).
Those of you on the left can not do that. You paint carcitures of those you disagree with.
You claim to understand their positions – but you can not predict.
You can not predict SCOTUS, or Trump, or MAGA, or even the american people as a whole.
You can not even predict those whose views you share.
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion… Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them…he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
That said – my numbers come from various places.
CNN often reports on these polls.
I also follow Rassmussen as they have been the most accurate pollster for over a decade.
But what poll you use does NOT matter – the Trends do.
Everyone is showing the same trends.
The efforts of the left to drive Trump’s numbers down is NOT working.
Rassmussen has had him above 50% since the election. And between 50-53 since the election with a FLAT trend line.
The precise level of other polls may be different – but th Trend is the same.
There has been no drop in Trump’s polling.
Conversely Democrats are tanking – though I suspect they are at the floor right now – There are enough unrepentent left wing nuts in the world like you who are divorced from reality that much below 25% approval is probably impossible.
But that is actually bad. The worst outcome for Democrats is to retain high support from the far left and bleed liberal democrats and lose independents.
Right now democrats are much worse off than on election day.
and headed in the wrong direction.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/03/24/mark_penn_with_record_low_approval_how_can_democrats_recover_in_the_age_of_trump.html
Here is RCP’s list of all polls.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating
Here is all polls all leading politicians.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/political-leaders
Here is rigth track/wrong track. And your correct Trump is underwater.
But no president in the 21st century has had right track over 45% – Trump is over 43 and rising.
Biden was at 43 for a a day or two in early 2021.
Biden’s right track average is in the high 20’s
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/direction-of-country
Federal Law protects SS and IRS data – it is a crime to disclose it.
That applies to all within the federal govenrment – except aparently Louis Lehrner and other Democrats.
Today jobs last on average about 5 years. Few are crying corcodile tears for Federal Empployees who must seek new productive jobs.
With the exception of the few who have been involved in real corruption no one is pushing them arround.
Those being RIF’d are getting severance that people with real jobs never see.
“who has not been vetted by the FBI”
Of course he has.
” who does not have a security clearance,”
Musk has the highest security clearance short of being president.
Do you really think that DOD and CIA will even tell you the weight or size of a spy satelite without a TS/SCI ?
SpaceX is handling 50% of all space flight, and nearly 100% of US spece flight.
“who does not work for any actual federal agency,”
He works for DOGE which is a Biden agency repurposed.
“who has not sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution.”
Of course he has – that is a requirement to be a federal employee.
It is also a requirement for naturalized citizenship.
“We have no way of knowing who all have seen or have access to our Social Security Numbers, bank account and routing numbers and tax returns.”
Of course we do. The same laws apply to all federal employees, and DOGE employees must meet the same requirements as others.
“Are we supposed to hope that Musk’s tech bros won’t sell our information or negligently allow it to be accessed by malign actors?”
The same laws that preclude ordinary workes in the federal governemnt from releasing private information apply to those in DOGE.
You are just stupidly fear mongering.
“People are rightfully fed up”
With democrats.
“displaying support for a lying criminal who cheated his way into office is offensive”
The rest of us find your lies and your party offensive – but we are nut running arround assaulting you.
“Speaking of “curious silence”, why hasn’t Turley commented on inviting a journalist to join a discussion about a military attack”
Because that is not inside the wheelhouse of this blog.
“trying to blame Joe Biden”
No one is blaming Biden.
Just noting that the Biden CIA approved Signal for secure communications.
“attacking the journalist and accusing him of being a “Trump hater” and attacking his integrity”
Goldberg is no better than the rest of the left MSM.
This was a legitimate story that he apparently accidentally fell into, and he is free to run with it.
That is his job.
But like all journalists on the left he has been involved in so much false reporting, he is not believed.
“all because he exposed their indefensible conduct?”
The only thing wrong with their conduct was adding Goldberg to their group.
Comunications between top administration over the attack on the Houthis is perfectly legitimate – whether classified or not.
“Another thing–they deleted the message chain–a violation of fnd”
Nope.
“that is probably the reason they used this platform in the first place–to cover their tracks.”
Gigi, they could have all met in a lead lined room – you still would likely have no record of what they said to each other.
This is not illegal, Classified or not.
The implimentation of the orders of the president involve discussions with various ranking people.
There is nothing wrong with their communicating.
After their deliberations when Hegseth Ordered the actual attacks – that would be subject to the FRA.
I am sure the order was preserved as required – the military is good at that.
But discussions are not federal records.
“All of these people involved in this scandal are incompetent and in way over their heads”
Because you say so ? Someone invtied Goldberg into a group chat where he was not allowed.
That was an embarrassing mistake. It is likely whoever did that will be fired.
Everything else was fine.
The attack on the Houthis as well as follow ups went off well.
Are you saying that we should not have attacked the Houthis ?
Are you saying we should not have destroyed their air defense systems and their rockets ?
What was done that demonstrates incompetance ?
“just like mainstream media and Democrats said–all of them–especially zit-faced Gabbard, who has no relevant experience in intelligence”
Except that litterally they all do.
Gabbard and Ratcliff testified under oath.
I beleive Goldberg has released his record of the chat.
If they lied – then they should be prosecuted.
If there is an actual crime – they should be prosecuted.
Walts has taken responsibility for adding Goldberg – though that was done in advance by a staffer.
Someone should be fired – this is serious enough to warrant that.
Some are claiming a setup.
I doubt that – but if so prosecute.
“How are the American people supposed to feel about this? ”
You can ask them – the highest right track numbers since Reagan.
“How do you think this looks to our allies?”
Who cares ? Is France going to take out the Houthis ?
“As Senator Duckworth pointed out, she doubts that our allies will share sensitive information down the road because this administration has proven that it is not only incompetent, ”
I doubt that. But so what ? Do you think that Romania’s intelligence gathering capablity in the mideast is top notch ?
Ukraine stumbled when the US cutoff our intelligence.
The world is dependant on the US – not the other way arround.
You do not seem to understand that.
One of the points of the whole MAGA movement is
We do not need the world.
The world needs us.
There are many reasons that almost 2T in foreign investment to the US was announced int he past 2 months.
The Tarrifs are one of those.
The fact that the US is the largest economy in the world is another.
The fact that the US is the most secure place in the world to invest is another.
The fact that nowhere else in the world delivers a high return with low risk is another.
The fact that Trump is improving all of those is another.
The damage that has been done in the 21st century by war mongers left and right.
By economic imbesils left and right has reduced US growth by atleast 1% and that is a big deal – that is one full doubling of standard of living over the past 15 years. But the US long term growth in standard of living is still the best in the developed world.
And Trump is returning that growth to pre war monger and wing nut norms.
John Say,
Great comment and excellent take down of Gigi, the irrelevant one.
I deleted a long opost about the geopolitical re-alingment of the world.
The most important aspect of that is the american people do NOT care that much about the rest of the world anymore.
And we do not need to.
Further while they DO care about Trump keeping his promises and they are angry about the lefts stupid lawfare to thwart that.
They Do NOT give a schiff about the day to day chaotic nonsense in Washington.
They do NOT beleive the left. It has taken way to long to get there, regardless, it is not 2017 – and people are not scared of Trump and are mostly ignoring the chaos of the Trump administration as well as blaming democrats for it.
They want peace in Washington. But absent peace, they are ignoring Washington.
I keep repeating to those like Gigi,
You don’t matter anymore.
But it is more than that.
What the left cares about – does not matter to most of the country.
The american people want to know why a Fly like the Houthis is still a problem. And Why isn’t Europe dealing with them.
Not Why did Jeffrey Goldnerg accidentally get invited into discussions about swatting that fly.
They care about getting the economy rolling – – they do not mastly care about the details.
They did not beleive Trump would get the price of eggs down day one.
But they absolutely beleived that Trump would produce a better economy.
They mostly do not care about tarrifs and govenrment spending and ….
They just beleive Trump when he says those need to be done to fix our problems.
They also understand that there may be some short term pain involved – though american tolerance for sacrifce absent an immediate existential treat is pretty low. Trump does not have long to turn things arround – though the indicators are that is starting to happen.
Ordinary people do not want to deliberate the pluses and minus’s of Tarriffs.
But they DO trust and expect Trump will get good results or change policies.
Democrats and the left have dug themselves into a hole and there is only one way out.
Trump must fail badly. And that is not happening and they mostly do not have the power to bring that about, and they are getting the blame for trying.
This moment in US history more strongly resmbles what Thatcher did in England than anything previous.
This is likely to prove bigger than the Reagan revolution if it succeeds.
There is also a reason for all the people in Trumps administration.
Trump can change the direction of the country in 4 years.
But he will not be re-elected and honestly he WILL be too old.
Trump will be remembered like Reagan or Thatcher ONLY if what he does in the next 4 years endures.
And whether that happens depends on the people currently im this administration continuing what Trump is starting.
Noem, Rubio, Gabbard, Vance, and some others are all future contenders for President. And there are a few like DeSantis outside the administration.
Gigi does not matter anymore.
The Woke left do not matter anymore.
People are not paying attention to the stuff that consumes this blog.
They are paying attention to jobs, to the economy, to the restoration of peace.
Those are very early int he process of improving.
That is what matters.
Keep a number in mind. 21%. That’s what your cult (and yes, you are the ones in a cult, not us), is at approval-wise. The spate of domestic terrorism that has happened since Trump took office from you domestic terrorists has been insane. Let’s go over a few other numbers.
8 Tesla dealerships burned to the ground, with multiple people assaulted. Over 3000 Tesla vehicles damaged and 4 charging stations burned to the ground. This is what you cultists are calling a boycott. The worst part is you literally are attacking your own and causing more hatred for the left. Most Tesla owners are on the left. So, you’re attacking your own. Ridiculous. That is a coordinated thing. Oh, and in Austin, they found multiple bombs in another Tesla dealership. These are being PAID FOR BY CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS. That whole batch is called a “boycott”. It’s not a boycott if you assault people, burn buildings and attempt to murder people. That’s called organized domestic terrorism.
Most of America is so fed up with you leftist cultists that we just try to ignore you and go on. In 2016, I was literally run off the road twice, once with my children in the car, with people screaming at me about supporting Trump. This is typical for you leftists. If you can’t control it, you try to destroy it. We spent 4 years being abused daily by the Biden misadministration and you never saw us getting violent about it, but you saw our rights being taken away repeatedly. Why were we not allowed to speak at school board meetings without being placed on FBI watch lists? Your administration you supposedly voted for literally abused citizens daily. Monitoring our phone calls, placing us on terror watch lists for protecting our children?
Now, the fact that you can justify, in some way, the idea that it’s okay to use physical violence to settle political disputes is reprehensible. Excusing an ACTUAL act of Domestic terrorism as a “minor misdemeanor” is disgusting. Using physical violence because of someone’s political views is actual Domestic Terrorism. You claim, somehow, even though it hasn’t been covered by the propaganda media, that somehow it’s “MAGA Media” which doesn’t exist. 97% of all national and local media figures donated to the Democrats in 2024. Your lies of a MAGA Media are insane. You then go on to spew a long list of propaganda points. Your propaganda failed. There are NO CUTS TO MEDICARE OR MEDICAID. The Rich elites are 79% Democrat. Your lies don’t even make logical points. If there was logic behind your lies, then maybe. But, like a typical leftist, you literally start your ENTIRE rant on lies and then use more to bolster them.
So, USAID was the FIRST of the big slush funds from the left. The amount of aid they provided was less than $1 billion of their $41 billion in waste, fraud and abuse. They literally funneled billions into Democrat coffers. You want to complain about that. Tough. Your feelings don’t matter when it comes to fixing a broken system rife with fraud. You complained about FEMA. Wow. FEMA funneled ILLEGALLY, $10 BILLION into illegal aliens and the NGOs that committed treason to support them. FEMA literally refused to support Americans in Maui. Their houses burned to the ground, children were missing by the thousands and FEMA gave them $750. FEMA ALSO blocked ANY homeowner from seeing their wreckage and ANY insurance investigator from seeing the property to file the claims for over 18 months. These people had to file bankruptcy, lost their homes and the billionaires swooped in and purchased all the distressed property. This was a BLATANT land grab that FEMA made happen. They then said there wasn’t money for the people of North Carolina and Tennessee, all while putting millions more into funding for illegal aliens. They left our citizens to die in tents, while illegals got 5-star hotel suites. They testified under oath that standard practice was to ignore or not help ANY home with a Trump sign, thus committing political murder. You want us to LIKE the corrupt agencies that have failed us or worse? Wow.
You spewed a lot of toxic lies, claiming Trump was a liar (that’s you, not him) and that he lied his way into office (That was Biden, not Trump) and then the least logical attacks ever on Elon and DOGE. You claim that we can’t be sure he doesn’t steal our information. Woman, he had it willingly from you when you used PayPal. Stop being foolish. You whined because ONE DOGE official went into the IRS with top secret security clearance and read-only access. You didn’t say a WORD when Biden’s handlers (face it, Biden was only interested in the ice cream, the jello and the vacations) allowed 919 NON-clearance people, including high school students with read-write access into the IRS with NO supervision. Wow. You people literally make anthills out of specs of nothing and then lie to us and call them mountains. You literally lied about Elon and his team. They received the HIGHEST top security clearance UNDER BIDEN you fool. If you’re going to attack Elon or Trump, at least find ONE fact. You’ve failed at every turn.
Now, let’s get to Greenburg and the nothingburger that is the Signal incident. 1) You’re telling lies. 2) Greenburg is a known liar and literally lost multiple jobs for lying about Trump. You claimed every false piece of information out there from every leftist cultist there is. Greenburg said there was classified information. There wasn’t. The claim that a CIA agent’s name had been revealed turned out to be a public facing agent who was already known. They didn’t delete the chat. That is a lie. Signal was approved for use for backchannel communications by the Biden Administration. The operational information they had was not classified. The classified portions were literally on an official channel. The “reporter” (paid liar) was “accidentally” let in the chat. It appears some reports are now saying a low-level anti-Trump official on the chat included him, and if it is that, the person will be charged with espionage, because it was intentionally providing secured communications. The fact is, this is a nothingburger, the president said it was a mistake, and lessons were learned. Discipline may be necessary, may not, but it wasn’t harmful. Nothing that was done was illegal except adding the “reporter”, who if he had ANY ethics whatsoever, would have stated he was accidentally added, and left the chat. He didn’t. He spied on the operations of the administration. If anything, his actions were espionage, not reporting.
Your entire rant is FUELED by hatred and lies. Notice without effort (other than scrolling back to read your drooling commentary), your entire set of lies has been completely debunked. I’d be glad to tell you how to search for the facts, but odds are, you won’t actually read any of this, because the beginning tells you you’re wrong, and you being a participant trophy child means you never got told you’re wrong. I’m sure you threatened the teachers to give you good grades because 2+2 in your opinion could actually be 5.
Voting for Gavin?!!?!?!
Oops, looks like The Atlantic published the attack plan Hegseth sent on the 100% secure Signal app.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/03/26/clean-on-opsec-pete-hegseth-spilled-specific-details-of-an-attack-in-advance/
This just made Gabbard look like a complete idiot.
Ok in the name of the Indispensable Right time for Trump to:
Attack the messenger
Have the FCC take away the Atlantic’s license to publish
Then deport the reporter to El Salvador
Along with any Atlantic staff members not willing to sign personal loyalty oathes to Trump
If none of the target people have tattoos they can be added during the whole process
I have some Jewish friends who can tell you about tattoos.
Problem solved. Free speech enhanced and assured
Wow. He’s not Biden. He won’t do those things. Remember, Biden forced social media companies to spy on you, report to the government, ban your content if it wasn’t government approved and more. The messenger should be attacked. Had he had ANY integrity, ethics or American values, he would have stated during the chat he was accidentally added and removed himself. Instead, he captured material that may or may not have been classified, and now, has illegally released said information in an act of espionage and sabotage. He SHOULD be arrested for those. As for your insane rants about deportation and loyalty oaths all that crap, you’re just being an idiot. The Atlantic and ALL the media should be required to follow the Smith-Mundt Act that Obama cancelled illegally by EO in 2013. The act prevented intention propaganda being used against Americans. Since then, the leftist penchant for lying about EVERY STORY THE GET has exploded. Nothing you get today from the propaganda media is anything close to truth. You are a hyperbolic propagandist.
Nope, nothing classified. Just ratting out a leaker.
Those don’t look like attack plans to me.
I want to see a detailed look at the staffer who added the reporter to the group.
If it was intention prison seems correct.
Former White House adviser Susan Rice said Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Deadline” that The Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg being added to Signal group chat on military strikes against the Houthis between Trump administration officials was “the biggest national security debacle that any professional can remember.”
– Breitbart
You think it was a staffer? LOL!!! Walz admitted he added it himself. Republicans are the first to throw staffers under the bus when something goes wrong.
No Waltz took responsibility – that is not the same.
There are a number of theories. No one has made a clear claim as to how this happened – except that the invitation to Goldberg came from Waltz’s office.
John, a distinction without a difference. They are looking for someone to take the fall and a staffer is often the first to be mentioned. Because nobody really cares about a staffer. A Trump official wouldn’t think twice about throwing someone under the bus to saver their hide.
It is quite an important distinction.
Reagan took responsibility for the Marine Baracks bombing in lebanon and he did so quickly
That ended the issue as a political weapon
Subsequent investigations identified specific failures and some people were fired.
But the public had long lost interest.
Conversly Hillary, Rice and Obama lied through their teeth about Benghazi.
Hillary blamed some poor dolt who produced a film that maybe 50 people in California saw.
Benghazi never went away.
This is a tempest in a teapot. Waltz took responsibility – the invatation to goldberg came from his office.
Outside of left wing nuts like you that lets EVERYONE else on the chat off the hook.
And it make Waltz look like a stand up guy.
From the public perspective the blame game is over.
Investigations will go on quietly. some people may be quietly fired.
Changes will be made.
But the firestorm is over.
No, Waltz sais he was responsible, not that he did it. That is called leadership.
Susan Rice is now irrelevant unless she was wielding the autopen – then she should be arrested
OldFish,
I usually do not read the slow and dumb one’s comments but your response I had to in order to understand the context of your comment and even clicked on the link the slow and dumb one provided.
1) I agree with you. Those dont look like attack plans.
2) If that is where the slow and dumb one gets his “news” it explains why he is so misinformed, deluded and dumb.
didn;t you see? he said he gets his news from Google.
And,
3) It also explains why he has no critical thinking skills and cannot think for himself.
4) He just spews what he searches on Google.
From what I read it is Hegseth updating other NS cabinet members of whatr is about to occur.
The actual plans have been made. Orders issued, Weapons loaded.
This is more information to top NS personell so that after the attacks start they can respond to reporters as if they were part of the decision making process.
I would note they almost certainly were part of he process.
But DoD chose the weapons and run the attack. the NSA did not, CIA did not, DNI did not.
But they all had a input, and they all needed to be on the same page when asked.
Neanderthal.
Yes, this gave the Houthis time to prepare their Air Forces for the incoming F-18s.
So approximately 2hrs before Bombs strike targets Hegseth provides a timeline of approximately what is going to happen.
Avtually not even that – No target is clearly identified. While the aircraft used are identified, their weapons are not, their targets are not.
The only indication this is a “war Plan” is the repeated use of the work “Strike”.
If Goldberg published this the INSTANT he received it – what would that Tell any enemy ?
The Houthis and Yemen are not identified – this could be a strike in Ukraine, Gaza, Syria, Yemen, or Iran or even other places.
Except for the mention of Tomohawks – it is extremely rare to have a training excercise with Tomohawks, it is not possible to know if this is a raining excercise.
If The Houthis were coppied on this at 12L15 when it was issued – what would they know that they did not know already ?
Trump had already told them they were getting slammed.
What in this do you think is “classified” ?
What is it in this you think that Journalists did not already know ?
“What in this do you think is “classified” ?”
Apparently you don’t understand. Any military planning involving targets, weapons, timing, and who is going to do it are all classified information that is only discussed in a SCIF or authorized government communication devices specifically designed to be used by government encryption. Commercial apps like Signal are NOT authorized to be used for discussing and disseminating information of that nature.
“No target is clearly identified. While the aircraft used are identified, their weapons are not, their targets are not.
The only indication this is a “war Plan” is the repeated use of the work “Strike”.
Do you honestly think that is everything Goldberg has? He clearly mentioned weapons and specific targets and times. That is enough to get a clear picture if an enemy were to get this information before it was executed. That’s why it is automatically classified information.
George said: Do you honestly think that is everything Goldberg has?
George, do you honestly believe Goldberg has any credibility after the BullSchiff that he made up and got caught at during Trump’s first term in office. He got FIRED for making it up.
George! You act like this is YOUR blog, not your host’s Professor Turley. So run a poll where we can vote on whether you or Goldberg are the one with LESS credibility!
Okay, so, several problems. If it is ACTUALLY confidential, then this is an act of espionage.
If it isn’t, then the Atlantic, which most birds have enough intelligence not to waste the time pooping on that rag, is once again, being stupid, and making a anthill out of a spec. The TRUE confidential information was on an official channel. This was a back channel approved by the Biden administration so they could chat while waiting for operations to commence. The operations actually did not occur in the time listed in the Signal conversation, so it appears that Goldberg, the espionage agent got caught spreading false information. You got caught spreading propaganda. That’s typical for you leftist cultists. If you care about America, then you should be expecting and cheering Goldberg’s arrest for espionage.
Oops, looks like The Atlantic published the attack plan Hegseth sent on the 100% secure Signal app.
OOPS INDEED! That’s the Signal app that Bribery Biden, The Oval Office House Plant, introduced and put in place for use by senior bureaucrats, right George?
You inept, pathetic clown: you were so eager to get off by doin’ a Toobin while putting up that post you didn’t realize Biden is the one who introduced Signal into Executive Branch cybersecurity YEARS AGO.
Biden-era memo advises ‘highly targeted’ officials to use Signal for communications
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/biden-era-memo-advises-highly-targeted-officials-use-signal
OOPS INDEED AGAIN: a few hours later you’re claiming they discussed “war plans”. With classified information!
But The Atlantic confesses they have no evidence, nor any felony leakers, that there was ANY classified information on that Signal conference.
You’re such a Cheap Fake American George that bull dykes would be embarrassed to be seen pushing you around in front of their girlfriends.
The word Immolation was used below and I reckoned:
What’s the first thing you would do if your house was on fire, I’d say you’d get the Hell out as soon as possible. The leftists: their political party and the parties’ denizens are on Fire with rage displaying near sightedness of the world around them, and not wanting to be doused with facts that could put out the fire. That’s what I’d call Self-Immolation which must be the cost of the toll to get in the line for the road to perdition.
George W
A solution exists for these sorts of nuisances, it’s called “concealed carry”. I realize law-abiding citizens in NYC don’t enjoy the same freedoms we do. Too bad for them.
– John Underwood
Tyler, TX
Apparently the judicial jihad has more robed fanatics.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/03/26/massive-resistance-judges-try-to-revive-bidens-refugee-program
It is more than Trump these zealots are attacking; it is the American people.
A few of today’s headlines:
– Disney quietly cancels live-action ‘Pocahontas’ starring Dylan Mulvaney
– Democrats estimate they are only one more arson away from being popular again
– R2-D2 accidentally sends death star battle plans to the Atlantic
– After years of debate, theologians now agree that lying to your dentist about flossing is not a sin
– “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first,” Trump says to comfort Elon
– Democrats gather at the Legion of Doom to strategize for midterms
– Security concerns as Trump holds strategy meeting at Cracker Barrel
– Elon Musk disguises IRS building as Tesla dealership so Democrats will burn it down
– Investigation reveals DOGE had just laid off the guy whose job it was to make sure Jeffrey Goldberg wasn’t in the war group chat
– 4D chess: Trump leaks war plans to The Atlantic where no one will ever see them
– Six-year-old saying ‘why don’t we just give everything away for free?’ surges to top of Dem polls
– Government accidentally shuts itself down with ban on non-essential businesses
– Trump puts himself on all postage stamps, forcing Democrats to push to abolish USPS
– Shuttered Dept. of Education not sure what to do with warehouse full of gender-unicorn coloring books
From the last story mentioned above:
“These were valuable educational tools,” said Chief Warehouse Manager Dylan Francis. “But now, thanks to bigots like Trump, parents will have to have their children groomed at home. And that’s wrong.” Employees are reportedly stumped by new Education Secretary McMahon’s lack of concern over the wasted materials. “If kids don’t have access to these resources, they might grow up healthy and normal,” said one employee. “I just don’t get what Trump’s game is here.”
OldManFromKansas-
Very funny. Enjoyed your post. Nice to have someone who really appreciates humor.
Liberal comedy seems to still be stuck in mimicking temper tantrums