As someone who has taught torts (including defamation) for three decades, I pay close attention to defamation claims coming out of campaigns. I often question the viability of such claims given the higher burden for public officials and public figures under controlling defamation cases. However, a claim during the New Jersey gubernatorial debate between Democratic Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-NJ) and Republican Jack Ciattarelli, may have triggered a viable torts case. It occurred when Sherrill accused Ciattarelli of “killing thousands.”
Ciattarelli is threatening a defamation lawsuit and it is no idle threat.
The moment came in the debate after Ciattarelli hit Sherrill for first expressing sympathy for Charlie Kirk after his assassination, but then flipping when the left responded with rage and “calling him a misogynist and a racist.”
Rep. Sherrill responded by condemning Ciattarelli for owning a medical publishing business. However, Ciattarelli then noted that he at least “got to walk at my graduation.” It was a reference to Rep. Sherrill not being allowed to walk at her graduation from the United States Naval Academy, reportedly due to her unspecified involvement in a cheating scandal.
Sherrill shot back with “I’m so glad you went on to kill tens of thousands of people in New Jersey, including children.”
It is the most dangerous legal moment for campaign lawyers when your candidate strikes out in the heat of a debate. What is interesting is that Sherrill then seemed to double down. She told USA Today that
“I guess, to me, it’s not a leap to say that somebody… who was printing [the opioid companies’] misinformation about how safe this was, who then took the next step further to coach people through. This is a time when, at the U.S. Attorney’s Office, we’re talking about ‘How are we going to stop these pill pushers?’ and so we’re trying to stop the overprescription of pharmaceuticals as he’s trying to help people go around these doctors.”
Her campaign also pushed back. Sean Higgins, Sherrill’s communications director, said
“Jack’s reaction is to hide behind a lawsuit, not to take responsibility. What’s reckless and irresponsible is Jack Ciattarelli making millions of dollars profiting off the pain of New Jerseyans — publishing misinformation about the dangers of opioid addiction and developing an app to coach patients to ask doctors for more drugs.”
Fact-checkers with PolitiFact and the New Jersey Globe have rejected Sherrill’s claim as untrue.
The failure to issue a retraction leaves Sherill more open to a lawsuit.
The common law has long recognized per se categories of defamation where damages are presumed and special damages need not be proven. These include: (1) disparaging a person’s professional character or standing; (2) alleging a person is unchaste; (3) alleging that a person has committed a criminal act or act of moral turpitude; (4) alleging a person has a sexual or loathsome disease; and (5) attacking a person’s business or professional reputation.
Claiming that Ciattarelli “killed thousands” would certainly fall within these per se categories.
The challenge for Ciattarelli will be the higher standard. Under New York Times v. Sullivan, the Supreme Court crafted the actual malice standard that required public officials to shoulder the higher burden of proving defamation. Under that standard, an official would have to show either actual knowledge of its falsity or a reckless disregard of the truth. That standard was later extended to public figures.
Courts tend to be leery of lawsuits that turn on overheated campaign exchanges. However, this is an express statement that Ciattarelli killed thousands. Sherrill will claim that this was mere campaign rhetoric or obvious opinion.
The Supreme Court dealt with such an overheated council meeting in Greenbelt Cooperative Publishing Association v. Bresler, 398 U.S. 6 (1970), in which a newspaper was sued for using the word “blackmail” in connection to a real estate developer who was negotiating with the Greenbelt City Council to obtain zoning variances. The Court applied the actual malice standard and noted:
It is simply impossible to believe that a reader who reached the word “blackmail” in either article would not have understood exactly what was meant: It was Bresler’s public and wholly legal negotiating proposals that were being criticized. No reader could have thought that either the speakers at the meetings or the newspaper articles reporting their words were charging Bresler with the commission of a criminal offense. On the contrary, even the most careless reader must have perceived that the word was no more than rhetorical hyperbole, a vigorous epithet used by those who considered Bresler’s negotiating position extremely unreasonable.
The question is whether saying that a candidate literally killed thousands can be dismissed as “rhetorical hyperbole.”
The Supreme Court has shown that there are limits to opinion as a defense as in Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co., 497 U.S. 1 (1990). In that case, there was another inflammatory allegation stemming from a public meeting. An Ohio high school wrestling coach sued over an opinion column alleging that he had lied under oath at a public hearing, saying that it was tantamount to an allegation of perjury.
The trial judge granted summary judgment on the ground that the assertion in the newspaper column was opinion. The Court however rejected the defense in the case in 7-2 opinion written by Chief Justice William Rehnquist. The Court noted that “expressions of ‘opinion’ may often imply an assertion of objective fact” and may inflict “as much damage to reputation” as factual claims. Moreover, some opinions are based on assertions that are “sufficiently factual to be susceptible of being proved true or false.”
Saying that a candidate killed thousands would certainly seem to be something “susceptible of being proved true or false.” Moreover, there is ample evidence of malice or reckless disregard in context.
In my view, there is enough here to defeat a motion to dismiss. While she could score a favorable trial judge, I would be surprised if a threshold dismissal would survive appellate review. In other words, Sherrill could well find herself in a trial for defamation.
Strange that a Torts professor would not even note that truth is an is an absolute defense in defamation cases.
When Marxist ideology is embraced by university leaders, we should expect Marxist students whether they graduate or not. The net result is the same: violent tactics, contempt for life, chaos, mayhem, a metastatic cancer within society. To wit,
OHSU says emergency flights will be diverted amid ‘laser party’ aimed at helicopters circling over Portland ICE facility
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/ohsu-divers-emergency-flights-lasers-helicopters-portland-ice-facility/283-d41b43d0-d0d6-458c-a9d0-0605de6ea1eb
Pointing lasers from the ground to pilots is truly dangerous. Yet the Portland NBC news affiliate station, KGW, never mentions ANTIFA. However, ANTIFA advertises their laser tactics on their own website
https://rosecitycounterinfo.noblogs.org/
Talk about coddling and enabling terrorists.
Had this been a pro-life Catholic group encouraging these tactics, we know how it would be covered by the MSM and how Portland would have dealt with them.
Marxism is here. Evil is the new normal. e.g. Virginia Democrat Attorney General Nominee Jay Jones relishing driving bullets in the heads of the family of his opponents while Democrats stay silent or applaud, e.g. Nancy Pelosi, Virginia Democrat US Senators Tim Kaine, Mark Warner, et al.
Witness the too many to count/read comments on this forum by the George Soros paid DNC Troll who uses >1000+ sockpuppets, for what purpose? It is cult-like fervor so to create chaos, but lacks any observable proof of intellectual capabilities.
Evolutionary principles would select such species for extinction but at a too slow of a rate to save our nation.
Where is the George Soros paid signup list?
Please link to any aircraft crash due to the use of laser pointers.
Are you George?
?????????? what is wrong with his comment? I talked about this mess with lasers this morning
yes, you did, Dustoff.
And if ‘Dustoff’ refers to your flying/military experience, you of all commenters would know the dangers.
It appears that the distal range of some of these laser guns can really impede TIMELY detection as to location of source so as to make an immediate arrest.
We can thank the dem party and Antifa. Both life flight and other air medical flights are no longer flying in the Portland hospital.
Antifa fools are so dumb that are using green lasers when the helo approaches the hospital, thinking it’s a Blackhawk.
Morons!
We can thank the FAA for not mandating changes to aircraft cockpits to render green laser attacks impotent. Notch filters for the narrow band of green light where the laser pointers operate are available, but they can interfere with seeing the colors of cockpit displays. There is nothing that precludes changing the colors of the displays to work properly with cheaper filters, but the FAA would rather see aircraft crash and hope to prosecute rather than prevent the problem entirely to begin with**.
However, in the decades that laser pointers have been available, there have been no instances of helicopters or other aircraft crashing because of them. They are annoying, but the danger is over estimated. There are a dozen or more mid-air collisions between licensed pilots every year in the US, but laser pointers are considered more hazardous.
**Technically the FAA sees that there have been no adverse problems due to lasers and therefore cannot justify the cost to avoid that adversity, but they also like to show how they are all about safety and support legislation that other agencies are on the hook to prosecute; not on the FAA dime.
For those claiming that someone Martinez was an innocent victim of ICE,
She and her accomplice where indicted today on multiple LOCAL criminal counts, including the attempted murder of law enforcement, She STILL faces further Federal charges.
Being indicted does not mean guilty. So far it looks like ICE has been lying about what transpired. Their own body camera footage is telling a different story.
It means there is probable cause that the person indicted committed each of the offenses they were indicted for.
The Grand Jury disagrees. Martinez will also appear before a federal grand jury on federal charges on tuesday.
BTW lying to a grand Jury is a crime – in the case of a local GJ – it would be a state crime, and the ICE officers could be prosecuted by the state.
The odds of ICE lying to a grand jury is near zero.
The odds of Body cam and other video contradicting the testimony by ICE and the verdict of the grand jury is near zero.
Do you really thing the GJ did not see all available video ?
Ill Bet you still think the pee tape is real and the hunter biden laptop is fake.
What have you been right about ?
You’re not a lawyer; your comment reflect a lowbrow mentality.
And YOU are?
Lawyers prosecute crimes. Ordinary people serve on Juries and grand juries.
Regardless, it is idiocy to pretend that our laws are written for lawyers.
What Martinez did was WRONG – morally and legally.
If you think I am wrong about that – go out with 4 of your friends and trap someone else’s vehicle with yours.
If you do so – you are almost certainly going to jail.
Intentionally restricting the free movement of others is a crime in the same family as kidnapping.
I am not a lawyer – though I have appeared in court – alot.
Regardless my wife is a leading criminal apellate lawyer in my state.
She has a client who was convicted of kidnapping because he trapped someone else’s car in a parking space.
While it is likely that conviction will eventually be overturned – the car was trapped, not the person. But he would have been legitimately convicted of forms of theft involving denying someone the use of their property.
As to James (and Schiff, and Cook) – most people KNOW if they game their taxes – they could end up in jail.
If they lie on federal mortgage forms – they could end up in jail.
And they know if they lie under oath they could end up in jail.
I can not speak for cases that have not been reported – but in every instance that has been reported of supposed misconduct by ICE or lawfare by Trump, Those charged were CLEARLY committing crimes.
And not obscure crimes.
Again in my community one of my wifes clients is in jail because the police told him not to go down a road, and he did.
I do not think the police are perfect – and I will be happy to get rid of Qualified immunity so that it is easier to hold them accountable when they screw up.
But you intentionally get into a conflict with a police officer and you are likely going to jail and not getting my sympathy.
You want to protest over illegal immigrants – Go to Washington DC and do so at the Capitol.
Congress can change immigration law – ICE can not.
It is their job to enforce laws that were passed by congress with the support of both parties.
If we now do not like those law – we change them in congress.
You want to waste your time hunting down ICE and interfering with their job enforcing the law,
it is not likely to go well for you – and you do not have my sympathy or that of much of the country.
Trump’s approval today is pretty much where it has been since the election.
Those people who opposed his election and his policies – still do.
Those that supported them – are getting what they wanted.
You are free to oppose, protest, etc.
You are not free to interfere with law enforcement because you do not like what they are doing.
To be clear for all those little antifa wannabes, throwing a rock or projectile at a moving vehicle carries the same weight in court as firing a weapon. So all you ICE protesters keep doing it, that way it’s an automatic deportation or a 5-10 year stint at the prison. Using a vehicle to ram another vehicle or cause serious bodily harm or death to a person is immediately subject to lethal force response.
John Say, do you know how Grand Juries work? Because you don’t seem to understand how they work.
“ BTW lying to a grand Jury is a crime – in the case of a local GJ – it would be a state crime, and the ICE officers could be prosecuted by the state.”
Prosecutors present anything they want to a Grand Jury to get a conviction. They can present misleading information and get an indictment. The defense does not have any opportunity to show their side of the story. So lying to the grand jury is irrelevant. ICE can lie to a grand jury and they do. Smarter Grand Juries like those in DC have noticed the ridiculous overcharges of rioters in DC and returned no-bills in record numbers against Trump AG’s
“ The odds of ICE lying to a grand jury is near zero.
The odds of Body cam and other video contradicting the testimony by ICE and the verdict of the grand jury is near zero.”
But it’s not zero. ICE is already lying to grand juries in DC Body cam and other video contradicting testimony is not going to be presented to a grand jury. Because no prosecutor would do that. Contradicting video and testimony are presented a trial where BOTH the defense and prosecution make their cases.
“ Do you really thing the GJ did not see all available video ?“
No, they did not. This is why it’s often said that a prosecutor can get a ham sandwitch indicted by a grand jury. They present only what they want a grand jury to see.
Actually, George, it is you who might not understand the role of presentation to a grand jury.
You said, “Prosecutors present anything they want to a Grand Jury to get a conviction.”
No, George, prosecutorial discretion is aimed toward getting past a “probable cause” presentment and on to trial or plea bargain, not to ‘get a conviction.’
And stop acting like prosecutors are doing something wrong. Even SCOTUS, in the U.S. v Williams case, said, “[R]equiring the prosecutor to present exculpatory as well as inculpatory evidence would alter the grand jury’s historical role, transforming it from an accusatory to an adjudicatory body.”
Nor does your statement, “Smarter Grand Juries like those in DC have noticed the ridiculous overcharges of rioters in DC.” carry any more truthfulness, George. It has nothing to do with smartness. It has to do with getting past a “probable cause” presentment in order to be able to challenge/cross-examine/exclude what at first blush might be exculpatory evidence. That would not be an appropriate role for grand juries to be weighting, as the Williams case said.
Finally, your statement about prosecutors lying to grand juries:
please see 18 U.S. Code § 1623 – False declarations before grand jury or court
In a proper judicial system a grand jury would allow the prosecutor to speed-run the trial. To present both his case and the most likely case the defense would mount. This allows the prosecutor to see if his prosecution will succeed over the period of a few hours of investment rather than costly days or weeks.
However, the main use of grand juries is to provide a shield against lawsuits and so the prosecutor presents only the story most favorable to the state.
If the police kicked in the door to the wrong house because they didn’t check the house number on their warrant did not match the one on the front door and then shot a toddler who had a squirt gun the prosecutor might lead with “There was a person in the house with an identifiable gun who posed a credible threat to the lives of the police. We are charging that person with brandishing and failing to follow police instructions to drop the gun and get on the ground as well as resisting arrest and getting spit on the arresting officers.”
“John Say, do you know how Grand Juries work? ”
Yes, YOU do not seem to be aware – but they are investigative bodies.
Prosecutors try to – and usually succeed in steering them.
But they are free to demand of prosecutors whatever they want.
Prosecutors MIGHT be able to say no – but if they do, it is unlikely the GJ will give them what they want.
“Prosecutors present anything they want to a Grand Jury to get a conviction.”
They get indictments – only petite juries can convict you.
“They can present misleading information and get an indictment. ”
Again lying to a grand jury is STILL a crime. You do not seem to grasp that.
Absolutely prosecutors spin cases as they wish in front of a GJ,
Just as they do with a petite jury.
But a GJ actually has more power to push back.
A GJ can tell a prosecutor – they want evidence that has been held back
Grand Juries – unlike Petite Juries are an INVESTIGATIVE body.
“The defense does not have any opportunity to show their side of the story. ”
No the defense does not have the opportunity to present their case through their lawyers.
The target of a grand jury has the opportunity to testify.
“So lying to the grand jury is irrelevant.”
Really ? It is recorded testimony under oath.
Those transcripts will be available forever.
If the democrats take the house in 2026 – they will be able to try to get them.
They likely will fail – just as efforts to get Epstein material is failing.
But if they retake the WH in 2028 – most certainly the DOJ will be looking for people in the current administration to prosecute. Jeffries has already announced that.
If Democrats take the WH in 2028 it will not be safe to be a republican – even fi you did NOT lie to a GJ.
But your best hope if you are republican right now – expecially if you are part of the administration is to follow the law and the constitution.
As even Turley has noted – vidictive prosecution claims usually fall on deaf ears – if there is an actual crime, and probable cause the defendant committed it.
Trump would not be president right now – if the majority of people did not think your efforts to prosecute him were lawless abuses of power.
If people TRULY beleive there is nothing to prosecuting Comey or James or Martinez, or deporting illegal aliens – Republicans will be obliterated in 2026 and 2028.
It is too early to predict the hose right now – but the odds of democrats taking the senate in 2026 are nil.
It is way early to predict the WH in 2028 – but if Trump could run again RIGHT NOW – he would win.
So thus far your lawfare is not working. And the majority of people beleive that the political enemies Trump is going after ARE Criminals.
And that is also what we are seeing in GJ’s in EDVA – a very blue region.
“ICE can lie to a grand jury and they do.”
They do ? Evidence ?
“Smarter Grand Juries like those in DC have noticed the ridiculous overcharges of rioters in DC and returned no-bills in record numbers against Trump AG’s”
I think you are wrong on multiple counts – While EDVA does not have the IQ of a jury in Indiana, or Ohio,
They are head and shoulders above DC – and as blue if not bluer.
These GJ indictments were secured in very nearly the most democrat friendly places in the country.
“But it’s not zero. ICE is already lying to grand juries”
Again your evidence ?
“DC Body cam and other video contradicting testimony”
Except that is NOT the case. There is Body Cam Video, there is actually video recorded by the defendant.
There is 3rd party video. As is NORMAL, the video does not PERFECTLY match the early reports.
But it DOES match the indictment and charges.
There is ZERO doubt that Martinez and several others, used their vehicles to trap ICE agents.
That is pretty much all that must be proven to get a conviction.
If you think I am wrong – get 3 of your bodies and go out and surround a state police officer and see how quickly you end up in handcuffs.
Surrounding someone in a vehicle so they can not escape is a form of false imprisonment – like kidnapping.
All by itself it justifies the use of deadly force.
There are disputes over who bumped into who first – it may not be possible to resolve that.
Nor is it necescary.
The lefts narative might be slightly better if the ICE officers rammed Martinez to escape being boxed in by her,
But even if true – it does not change the charges.
Using Vehicles – especially vehicles traveling to trap someone else, meets the requirements to use deadly force to defend yourself – even if you are NOT law enforcement doing their job.
This is not a case where the version of the narative that the left is shilling – will get Martinez off.
“Contradicting video and testimony are presented a trial”
Contradicting WHAT ?
If the trial devolves into a debate over whether Martinez rammed ICE or ICE rammed Maritinez – she will be convicted, because it does not matter.
Martinez’s defense attorney is doing his job – trying to cast doubt.
Kudos to him.
But he does not have a case.
“No, they did not.”
Because you say so ?
“This is why it’s often said that a prosecutor can get a ham sandwitch indicted by a grand jury. They present only what they want a grand jury to see.”
That is often said – and it is often true. It is also True that GJ’s are investigative bodies and if a GJ has questions – they can make demands – regardless of the porosecutor.
It is near certain they were aware of all the video.
If they were not given it – they would have asked for it.
You have heard all the “spin” and naratives, If you were on this GJ would you not be asking for the Body Cam video ?
I have not seen the Body Cam video – nor do I suspect have you.
I am also not sure body cam video would be useful.
The Video from ICE that would be helpful would be dashcam video and rear camera video from the ICE vehicle. That would help establish who bumped who and who ramed who – though that is really not important so long as Martinez and crew boxed in the ICE vehicle.
Body Cam video might address whether MArtinez pulled a gun and fired it at ICE agents.
But again – that would just be icing on the cake.
She is still guilty so long as she conspired to surround ICE Agents with vehicles while traveling.
That is all that is needed for a conviction on all charges.
I suspect there is MORE than that. But we will see.
Well Anonymous, please tell us where we can view the body camera video you speak of so that we can view it for ourselves. It must be available so your presentation of it should require little effort.
Short of that we can only come to the conclusion that you have made your point out of that which does not exist. In other words, having nothing to do with reality as is your common practice.
Sanity?
Think it through, you don’t seem to think things through. No body comera footage will be available to the public before any trial. 1 video from a body camera was leaked to the defense showing a totally different story from ICE’s. The reporting on the contradictory video is the only evidence and the defense has a good case based on the facts of that video. ICE as any other law enforcement organization in the country can legally lie to the public and even on reports to file charges.
They are getting so brazen with the lying that DC grand juries are not buying the claims they make on protesters they want to charge. So they refuse to indict on the overcharges. Pretty embarrassing for the prosecution and the AG’s in charge.
“No body comera footage will be available to the public before any trial.”
That may or may not be true. Increasingly the police are Rushing to get video out.
“1 video from a body camera was leaked to the defense showing a totally different story from ICE’s.”
Yes, we keep hearing this story. But the claims are absurd. The left wing nuts sites claiming a supposedly contradictory narative are STILL claiming a story that results in Martinez conviction.
“The reporting on the contradictory video is the only evidence”
Really ? Ice agents are not going to testify ? People on the streets ? Traffic Cams ? Third Party video ?
The statements of the ICE agents in the afadavit of Probable cause and in the charges are ALL evidence.
And there likely will lbe alot more at trial.
“the defense has a good case based on the facts of that video.”
On a video no one has actually seen ?
On a video that according to the left wing nut sites presents a different version fo facts that STILL makes Martinez guilty.
“ICE as any other law enforcement organization in the country can legally lie to the public”
Correct – but they very very very rarely do.
Law enforcement lies to suspects. They beleive it is an effective means of eliciting a confession – it is not.
They do not lie to the public – because just like all your lying – that undermines their credibility.
“even on reports to file charges.”
Nope – ask Kevin Klinesmith how that worked out for him.
Lying on reports, charge sheets, arrest warrant applications,
pretty much anything to the courts or that is official is a Crime.
“They are getting so brazen with the lying that DC grand juries are not buying the claims they make on protesters they want to charge. So they refuse to indict on the overcharges. Pretty embarrassing for the prosecution and the AG’s in charge.”
Pretty much Nope. It is crystal clear than in a FEW left wing nut places in the US – an innocent republican will be railroaded and a guilty democrat will get off scott free.
But even in EVDA – where the GJ is almost all democrat government employees – James and Comey were indicted. Left wing nut political bias will make getting a conviction difficult.
Though if I were James and Comey I would be RUSHING to get to court.
The trends are running against democrats.
Regardless the inability of AG’s to get left wing nut regions of the US to indict actual criminals, is damning to those regions. But Martinez should be concerned because while Chicago is a Blue bastion.
Not so sure it is a Woke left wing bastion. DC is. Portland is, SF likely is, Manhattan is.
Chicago – not so much. Getting a conviction in Chicago MIGHT be difficult – but not nearly as difficult as DC.
And the FACT that the left wing nut SPUN narrative on this case leads to …. GUILTY, should open your eyes.
Trump’s popularity is the same as it was a year ago. The support on issues is the same as it was a year ago.
Democrats seem to think that fighting ICE is the new civil rights movement – but it isn’t.
We have had a Year of left wing nuts trying to make an issue out of this – and Trump’s support on Immigration is in the 80’s.
Your in a fight against the american people.
You probably can not get even half of Democrats to support you.
Without a trial or a confession Martinez remains innocent in the eyes of the law.
Indictment merely means that the prosecution told an unchallenged story to the grand jury and the grand jury believed it. For many prosecutions, the goal is to speed run the evidence to make sure a trial is not going to fail; prosecutors hate to have a loss on their record. However, it is sometimes the case that a prosecutor is working to save police from a lawsuit and needs the indictment to “prove” the police had “reasonable cause” to do so.
This is often seen in charging someone with no other criminal complaint than resisting arrest when the police just tackled and beat the victim to a pulp over mistaken identity. They need to get on record that the person is a “bad guy” to poison a 4th amendment violation suit.
Lying to a grand jury may be a crime, but it is rarely charged or prosecuted. There was, for example, a tremendous amount of testimony to the grand jury in the Michael Brown case that was clearly false and the prosecutor charged exactly zero people with lying.
Prosecutors going after law enforcement for lying to the grand jury means that police will retaliate by losing notes, misplacing evidence, having memory loss on lots of minor cases in order to ruin the prosecutor’s record; it immediately impeaches all the cases the cops testified on or are scheduled to testify for. The cops may not let a child molester slide, but they will easily give up on lesser crimes, such as one gang member shooting at a member of a rival gang.
Ah, such fools these nony mice be.
I suppose that I should apologize to William.
Davey
Now that you have figured out the time difference between the east and west coast, why dont you answer the other question.
You told the commenter to “learn to think”.
Please explain exactly how someone who cannot think, would learn anything?
Who better qualified to answer that question than a brain dead moron like yourself?
Mendacious Mikie
*. It’s the full force of Darwinism and circling the drain.
Neither person nor half of congress should be an elected official. The House of Representatives should be cut to 2 per State. They’re worse than worthless. They’re harmful.
Sherrill told the New Jersey Globe, which first reported Thursday on her being barred from commencement, that her punishment was a consequence of her decision not to “turn in some of my classmates.”
A source close to a rival campaign questioned that statement.
“Nobody, including Mikie Sherrill, was barred from graduation ceremonies for covering for their friends,” claimed this person, who has reviewed the documents. “That’s a bunch of bulls—. Midshipmen were, however, punished for lying to Naval investigators.”
While no evidence has surfaced that the future congresswoman was punished for being untruthful to school officials, there are also indications that she has not been up front about what transpired.
‘One of the largest cheating scandals ever at the US Naval Academy’
Multiple midshipmen acquired and shared answers to a Dec. 14, 1992, exam for Electrical Engineering 311, a mandatory class for all non-engineering majors. The test was administered to 663 students, according to the lawsuit that involved Hedberg.
In a 2002 episode of CBS News’ “48 Hours” that reported on the scandal, one of the students involved estimated that “probably 80% of the people who took that test had knowledge and had seen it the night before.”
The day after the test was administered, academy officials caught wind of the cheating and went on to open a series of investigations — including by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), multiple Honor Boards (disciplinary panels), and the Office of the Naval Inspector General.
Ultimately, 88 were found guilty of participation in the dissemination of the exam, the Washington Post reported at the time, with two dozen expelled and 64 receiving lesser penalties such as late graduation.
– NY Post
80%, Mikie?
How about the $7M she made in the stock market while serving the industrial military complex? Namcy Pelosi much?
Shamrill is thew worst of the woke to run in newjerkistaniland. Her total woke DEI and all that hand jazz crapola should have sealed her failure long ago. It is a fact she was involved in the cheating scandal at the academy and was not allowed the privilege to walk for her graduation. That she responds to truth with hideous slandering lies just shows you how nutzoid these left politicos are. I can not see how she and her campaign will not be taken to court over this. She is disgusting on all fronts.
Mikey wins by ten points, thankfully. This tort nonsense talk is just meant to cover this up, but Jack’s campaign has the internal polling.
Jack’s going to be a three time loser.
Democrats are dumb; democrats are suckers.
They are not mere suckers, but rather parasites.
They vote for “free stuff” and “free status,” which the Supreme Court refuses to strike down for its absolute, irrefutable, and immutable unconstitutionality.
If they couldn’t vote for “free stuff” and “free status,” they would have no reason to vote…
and they wouldn’t.
What’s Wrong With This Picture?
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“Freedom” – Constitution
“Free Stuff” and “Free Status” – Communist Manifesto
one of the worst comment ensemble ever. and for and actual relevant and very american subject. did you guys just vacate…..between fixes is it now?
pathetic.
do better
God Bless America
regitiger
“We are the hollow men, marching altogether.”
Yep, you definitely are as October brings out the Hollow Weenies…
NATO Goes Mad
Do European and American policymakers want a real war with Russia?
By: Doug Bandow ~ Oct 9, 2025
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/nato-goes-mad/
Putin’s Goals in His Own Words
The Russian president’s annual appearance at the Valdai International Discussion Club provided a window into the president’s thinking.
By: Mason Letteau Stallings ~ Oct 8, 2025
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/putins-goals-in-his-own-words/
Tomahawks Cannot Save Ukraine
Kiev’s military suffers from a shortage of manpower, not missiles.
By: Harrison Berger ~ Oct 5, 2025
[Link] theamericanconservative.com/tomahawks-cannot-save-ukraine/
Putin has pleaded earnestly for war with NATO.
He’s just talk. Nukes and that’s it
Ukraine has shown how to destroy Putin’s so called forces. Most of all when he brought in N Korea troops in and they took Ukraine them apart in no time.
The Naval Academy has an honor code. Sherrill should have been expelled.
DUMBOCRATS
ICE HATERS
The Mexicans, Latinos, want to steal America.
The Democrat Traitors and Illegal Aliens want the Mexicans, Latinos, to vote (D) for DINERO.
They do.
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https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxCINTGPDYa87pDoMZsa1e5uUpkLO3N95H
ICE HATERS!
It’s Time to Name the “Wall Street Financiers” in the Epstein Files
An Open Letter to Congressman James Comer, Chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee ~
‘… “On February 14, 2024, bipartisan staff of the Senate Finance Committee conducted in camera review of thousands of pages of Treasury Department files documenting the flow of money in and out of Jeffrey Epstein’s accounts. The Treasury Department’s Epstein file contains significant information on the sources of funding behind Epstein’s sex trafficking activities. For example, one of the documents in the Treasury Department’s Epstein file indicates that between 2003 – 2019, there were more than 4,725 wire transfers totaling $1.08 billion involving Jeffrey Epstein and his associates, including Darren Indyke, Harry Beller, Richard Kahn and Erika Kellerhals. The Treasury Department’s Epstein file also contains details of hundreds of millions in payments to Epstein from Wall Street financiers…” …”
By: Investigative Staff at Wall Street On Parade ~ September 2, 2025
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2025/09/its-time-to-name-the-wall-street-financiers-in-the-epstein-files/
Joe Biden says he’s gonna release the “Epstein Files.”
Oops!
Too many top secret ops and foreign dignitaries.
Kansas Elder — Here is the opinion of a former ICE chief of staff:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/11/opinion/ice-trump-safety-crisis.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sk8.Nnqv.qlGMdaredxnT&smid=url-share
Some of the described activities are — or ought to be — illegal.
Ooooohhhhh… Davie! You’ve hit a half of the bases loaded home run!
1. You refer us to the NYT – the premier apparatchik of the Democrat/Mainstream Media Propaganda Complex. Famous as a co-conspirator in the felonious Obama/Clinton Russia Dossier and Biden Bribery Laptop schemes.
2. This “ICE chief of staff” gained his fame by being BIDEN’s ICE chief of staff.
Who assured us there was “no crisis at the border” despite The Oval Office House Plant first inviting and then allowing almost 20 million Illegal Alien Guest Democrat Voters to enter the country.
Yep, the chief of staff that directed ICE officers to be Walmart Greeters to criminal Illegal Aliens without even requiring Biden’s invited criminal guests to be vaccinated.
All while he as Biden’s chief of staff was at the same time firing those ICE agents who defended their bodily autonomy by refusing experimental vaccines.
Yep, you made a great choice of the NYT and Biden’s ICE bureaucrat to match your own credibility.
Now there’s an own home run that you’re probably thinking you’ve hit out of the park.
The Chief of Staff is not a decision maker.
The writer says he had a 20 yer carer in federal law enforcement.
Now deo try to just read what he has to say about the current situation.
DBB what is says is – “It is MY Oppinion That ICE/CBP should not follow the law”
Not interested – that is advocating for either tyranny or anarchy or some of both.
Neither YOU nor HE are going to get anywhere with most people attacking law enforcement for enforcing the law that we have.
We can debate what the law should be – but that debate has ZERO to so with what ICE/CBP/the President are legally obligated to do.
I president – whether Trump ro Biden who disagrees wih a law – must still follow and enforce it.
If you want laws changed – go to congress. If Congress is not listening – elect congressmen who will do as you wish.
If you can not manage either that is how the “democracy” you are always saying is dead actually works.
The fact that you do not get the outcome you wish does not make it any less democracy.
That Chief Of Staff whose integrity and truthfulness is an exact match for your own, claimed there was no crisis at the border.
YOU also posted the lie there was no crisis at the border. Both of you are pathological liars – with the same credibility to match.
James Comey, Mueller, etc ALSO bragged of 20 year careers in federal law enforcewment – the fraudulent Appeal To Authority tactic.
Now, try to come up with something both less sophomoric and with more credibility than yourself, the NYT, and this Biden ICE chief of staff political apparatchik.
One more time for Benny
Entering the United States without proper visa documents and federal immigration documents is a crime. The people that do such are engaging in criminal activity. Engaging in criminal activities makes you a criminal. ICE and BP as well as all other law enforcement agencies and officials are legally required to detain, investigate and if determined not to have proper documentation of entry they are legally required to process for deportation.
Don’t want to get your azz kicked out, self deport or peacefully comply.
Whoa! I thought illegal aliens were above the law. Did we not learn anything from Biden and his administrators?
Thanks for the confirmation bias! It’s always been my favorite logical fallacy.
If you wanna buyazz, get a hooker.
How embarrassing to reference “pure propaganda” as your source(s).
Benson, read the arrest warrants.
Benson, read the arrest warrants.
Read the disturbance of the peace, public nuisance, vandalism, property damage, bodily injury, and mayhem laws.
Read the “Riot Act!”
DBB – it takes barely a paragraph to get to obvious lies and misrepresentations.
Not only did Trump NOT claim that he would only deport Criminals – he made it clear that he would try to deport as many of the 12-21M that Biden allowed illegally into the country.
What Trump – and Homan and others have said REPEATEDLY is that the top priority is criminals particularly those involved in drugs and violence. The last report I read had 70% of those deported since January were criminals.
Most every raid reports the criminals captured.
It is crystal clear this adminstration is prioritizing Criminals.
But that does not mean that those who are NOT criminals get a free pass.
Most everywhere that ICE raids after specific criminals, it also finds other illegals who may or may not be criminals – those who hang out arround criminals tend to be criminals. but often have no record yet.
Regardless ICE does not go – we caught the criminal we have a deportation warrant for lets go home.
They check everyone wherever the raid is and detain everyone who can not establish at that moment they are in the US legally. That RARELY results in breifly detaining a citizen, and frequently detaining many who are hear illegally but not known criminals.
Sometimes an ICE warrant for ONE or TWO criminals results in detaining a dozen people – including the criminal.
But last I checked the average among involuntary deportations is 70% criminals.
I would further note that Trump has implimented an official self deportation program.
If you turn yourself in – you will get PAID to return to your country, and you will NOT be barred from applying to come to the US legally. If you are involunarily detained – you will be deported and if you ever return you will be deported immediately – with nothing more than a Habeaus hearing, and you will never be allowed to come to the US legally.
In addition a large number of people are QUIETLY self deporting. These too retain the ablility to try to enter the US legally.
DBB – really tired of those on the left trying to pretend that enforcing the constitution and laws of the use is just a policy choice.
Please identify anything Trump is doing regarding immigration (or anything else) that goes beyond enforcing laws that we already have ?
That is one of the jobs of the president – democrat, republican, …. to enforce the laws we have – not the ones the president of the moment wishes we had.
We have a congress for making and changing laws.
If you beleive – as I do, that there are problems with US immigration law – then work to get congress to change it.
Any argument that claims that ICE or DHS should do something different from enforce the law we have violates the rule of law. It means that the actual law is just whatever those with power at the moment decide it is.
Regardless, you want to make the argument that Immigration law should be something other than what it is – bring that to congress, Bring that to the election. Do not protest law enforcement who are doing their job.
A few thoughts about Trump’s utterly meaningless health report.
We know he has severe peripheral edema as illustrated by his swollen ankles. Congestive heart failure is one of the most common causes. We were told that Trump underwent “advanced imaging” at Walter Reed. This undoubtedly included a doppler echocardiogram and cardiac MRI with contrast.
Where are these results ??
What was his ejection fraction, cardiac output, stroke volume, pressure gradients, systemic vascular resistance and all the other many parameters of a doppler and cardiac MRI.
The only cardiac parameter we are given is a statement that “His cardiac age-a validated measure of cardiovascular vitality via ECG-was found to be approximately 14 years younger than his chronological age.”
This is a meaningless statement. It is not possible for a human to make this determination from an ECG. This determination is made using AI, and is highly experimental. The error rate is high and the method is valid only within the populations on which the AI model was trained. When applied to individuals outside of the training population, the validity is questionable.
The report says that Trump went to Walter Reed for “advanced imaging”, but the only results are from an ECG that could have been done in the White House medical unit.
This report makes no sense.
The statement that his laboratory studies were “exceptional” is not a statement that would be made by any physician. The usual terminology is “within normal limits”.
This report has all the hallmarks of Trump having had a hand in its preparation, just like the bogus report from Dr. Jacob Bornstein in 2015 that Trump actually dictated.
What is your prognosis for Joe Biden’s cognitive ability there Dr. Annoyingus?
Now THAT made me laugh my arse off!
Of course I did not bother to read your entire comment, as we all know, you are not only a liar, you are not credible and you have been proven wrong oh, so many times.
This is just the latest case of you being wrong.
How marvelous!
Trump’s doctor says president in ‘exceptional health’ following ‘semiannual physical’ at Walter Reed
“White House physician Sean Barbabella gave the 79-year-old Trump a clean bill of health Friday night and said that his cardiac age is 14 years younger than his actual age.”
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/trumps-doctor-says-president-exceptional-health-following-semiannual
Wrong again!! HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
Why no mention of the results of the “advanced imaging” that was the stated purpose of the visit to Walter Reed ???
What were the “advanced imaging” procedures ??
An ECG is not an “advanced imaging” procedure.
You would think that if the results of the “advanced imaging” procedures were normal, then they would not hesitate to say so.
But they don’t even mention them one way or the other.
Why not ???
Obviously because they were not good results consistent with a claim of “exceptional health”.
They tell us the results of a bogus AI interpretation of an ECG, but fail to give the results of much more reliable “advanced imaging” that supposedly was necessary.
The report is bogus.
WOW!!!! Dr. Annony Moron, you sure told us with your scathing examples of your oh, so, superior medical expertise!!! Where, oh, where did you goto medical school? I bet you are sought after by many hospitals not only in America but world wide!! I mean, how do you do it? You come here, every day to tell the good professor how and why Professor Turley is sooo wrong on sooo many different legal subjects and you are a Dr. too! At night, do you put on a cape and fight crime too?? 🙂
For someone who doesn’t bother to read my comments, you certainly have a lot to say in response to them.
How marvelous indeed !!!!!!
Advanced imaging lol what a loser
We love you laugh at you’re many stupid comments..
Right Doc.
Dr. Annony moron!! Dr. Annony moron!! Come quick!! David B. Benson appears to be suffering a cranial-rectal infusion!!! Only a Dr. of your vast knowledge and experience can save him!!
Its going to require mouth to mouth after removing the impaction, you know he’s going to love it!
Why are you entitled to the results of every blood test ?
Why are you so desparately Hoping that something bad has happened to someone else ?
At Trump’s age there is a small but real chance something may happen before 2028.
With absolute certainty Trump is in the last few decades of his life.
He could drop dead tomorow – so could a 20 yr old.
But there are no indications of serious problems.
John Say
There are absolutely, unequivocally signs of serious problems. His peripheral edema has grown rapidly worse in a few weeks. This is obvious from the many photos that have been published.
As I said above, worsening peripheral edema from venous insufficiency is unquestionably a sign of a number of potential problems. The most serious problem is congestive heart failure.
It would be malpractice if his physicians failed to rule out heart failure in the presence of worsening venous insufficiency. The tests required are doppler echocardiogram and cardiac MRI with contrast. These are “advanced imaging” studies. The report explicitly states that “advanced imaging” studies were performed, but fails to identify the studies or the results.
There can be absolutely no doubt that the “advanced imaging” studies were directed at the possibility of congestive heart failure. It would be malpractice to fail to do these tests. We can be 100% certain that the studies were done, and yet there is no mention of the results.
If the studies were normal, there is no doubt that the physicians would say so, and Trump would be proclaiming this on Truth Social.
But he isn’t.
The conclusions are obvious.
The conclusions are obvious.
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Wrong. As usual, just an-opinion and nothing more.
All this from the report Trump had swollen ankles🤣. Maybe he had too much salt on his fries! Maybe he takes medication that makes him retain fluid?! What a fing moron this idiot is, trying to throw scat on the wall. Looks like IT is using AI to dress up comments…It should remember,”Just because you ARE a character doesn’t mean you have any Character”!
ATS – it is possible that pigs will fly.
It is not likely.
You make LOTS of claims, and you jump on the improbable versions that support you HOPE that Trump is in poor health.
You say his peripheral edema has grown worse – but the evidence of that is an army of left wing nuts desperately looking for Evidence Trump will die tomorrow.
They might be right. But the odds are low, not zero, but low.
It is entirely possible that every single step in your speculative journey is true.
It is NOT however likely.
You say this is a sign of a number of potential problems – correct.
Potential means POSSIBLE, it does NOT mean likely.
What was done with his tests ? I have no clue and neither do you.
Unlike most everyone else on the planet – his physicians are likely to be absolutely paranoid about any possible problems. If Trump hiccups – they could go looking for signs of stroke.
Almost certainly he is getting testing that no one else would get.
What was deeply disturbing about Biden is he was NOT getting the testing he needed – because they already knew the answer.
Regardless, Trump is 79 – he is not a spring chicken. He is in excellent health for 79. But he is still 79.
Peripheral edema is NOT unusual.
And Yes congestive heart failure is possible – my Grandfather died of CHF too much fluids in the body can destroy your heart.
But Trump has not had a history of heart problems, and the known problems that he has – if they resulted in Congestive Heart Failure would be because of malpractice on the part of his physicians – so Are you betting on that ?
No we can not be 100% certain what studies were done.
YOU have decided that the peripheral Edema is rapidly getting worse.
Based on the hopes of left wing nuts examining pohotos.
YOU have decided that “advanced imaging” was directed at CHF – might have been.
Could have been he tripped and sprained an ankle.
YOU have decided that we can be 100% certain of things that are just speculation.
And you have decided that the conclusions are obvious.
If Trump is having prostate problems – do you think that is going to get reported ?
Your personal biases lead you to reject all possibilities except the outcome that you want.
This is the fundimental logical failure that afflicts the educated left today.
It is a logical failure that has nearly destroyed science and stiffled scientific progress in myriads of areas.
While it is an affliction that can occur with most anyone – it is actually more common among intelligent ideologues.
“Why are you entitled to the results of every blood test ?”
For the very same reason that YOU seem to think that YOU are entitled to see all of Biden’s tests.
You and the MAGA Mob are constantly whining that Biden’s “medical problems” were hidden from the public.
And yet you believe we are not entitled to see all of Trump’s test results.
Do you understand the meaning of HYPOCRISY !!!!!!
You and the MAGA Mob are constantly whining that Biden’s “medical
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Unlike you. We were right
DustOff,
Well said. When has the annony moron been right about anything?
“You and the MAGA Mob are constantly whining that Biden’s “medical problems” were hidden from the public.”
The difference is, his condition clearly affected his ability to do his job
Cankles are not disqualifying.
You just want something to whine and moan about.
Give the phone back to mommy and go clean your room.
John Say: You gave a perfect response (11:38 PM). Succinct, truthful, to the point.
Thank you.
I do not think there is anything in the news that should concern us about Trump’s health.
But every single person left or right should be cognizant of the fact that while he appears to be in excellent health – that is excellent health for a 79 year old.
It is not impossible that he has a heart attack tomorow.
Though my understanding of the statistics of heart issues is that if you get to your 70’s without developing them – something else is likely to kill you. Heart attacks kill people EARLY in later life – 50’s to early 70’s.
But still he could have heart problems.
He also could be assassinated tomorow – he is in Gaza right now.
He probably will live 10 more years – that is more likely than not, it is NOT a guarantee. He MIGHT live 20 more years – that is actually unlikely but not impossible.
There is likely a Doppler ultrasound machine in the medical suite at the White House. All that would be needed is to send an ultrasound technician to the White House to do the study. Results can be assessed off site by a cardiologist. It is unlikely that he had a cardiac catheterization since that would have warranted him to temporarily cede presidential authority to the vice president.
Advanced imaging that would be done off-site include CT or MRI although I would not be surprised if there was a CT scanner in the White House. While it is most likely that his lower extremity edema is due to age-related venous insufficiency in a man who spend most of his waking hours sitting in a chair, advanced liver disease (I.e., cirrhosis) is also characterized by lower extremity edema. Long-standing obesity can be a cause of cirrhosis (and additionally be a cause of chronic lower extremity edema). Liver disease can be initially assessed by liver ultrasound and/or liver elastography either of which can be done accurately with portable machines in, or brought to, the White House. I suspect that the “advanced imaging” was an MRI, either of the brain, heart, chest, liver or abdomen. Unless it was for a shoulder MRI for a suspected rotator cuff tear that was affecting his golf swing.
Speaking of golf, the frequency that he plays golf, and his ability to complete eighteen holes, is probably the best indicator of his cardiovascular and liver health.
“his ability to complete eighteen holes, is probably the best indicator of his cardiovascular and liver health.”
I’m tentatively buying the WH Physician’s report on Trump, but I seriously question the quoted analysis. I know people who regularly complete 18 holes who are in terrible condition, but make up for it by relying on their cart for nearly all locomotion (and possibly playing courses that are far from challenging). There is an 82 yo retired pathologist who comes to our local dog park who regularly plays 18 holes locally, but is so shaky and fearful of falling that he seldom walks more than 100′ to clean up his pup’s crap.
Do you realize that when you describe elderly people who can only manage 18 holes by using a cart, that you are describing Trump.
HE NEVER walks the course.
He uses a cart and drives up to a few feet from the ball.
He even drives his cart onto the greens if his ball is more than about 10 feet from the edge of the green.
This is a gross violation of golf etiquette, but he does whatever he wants on his own courses.
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2017/06/22/president-donald-trump-drives-cart-over-green-at-own-golf-club/76644471007/
He probably walks no more than 500 feet during 18 holes.
The fact that he plays golf using a cart in this way is absolutely no indication of his physical health.
I was questioning a comment from someone else who cited playing golf as evidence of fitness. Playing golf and using a cart is obviously not evidence of UNFITNESS, moron.
It is evidence of unfitness if he has to drive his cart onto the green when the ball is a long way from the edge of the green.
He obviously can’t comfortably walk much more than 20 to 30 feet.
Just as a handicap of 2.8 is evidence of not just good – but EXCELLENT fitness.
The average handicap for people over 60 is 25.
And you buy it? Trump is an incessant liar. A 2.8 handicap. Tiger woods doesn’t have a handicap of 2.8. What utter BS.
Keep crying ano. I’m so loving it
“Tiger woods doesn’t have a handicap of 2.8.”
You’re full of BS.
At his peak, Woods had a +9 handicap *index*, which is roughly an average of 9 *under* par.
You’ve butchered the various meanings of “handicap.” (FYI: Pros don’t carry a traditional handicap.)
Tiger Woods handicap is estimated around +6.
It was +8 when he turned pro.
Thats a plus number, imbecile. Which would be 8.5 strokes better than -2.5.
You know nothing about golf and even less about medicine.
Rabid dog is what you are, George.
Professional Golfers do not have a handicap.
Do I buy Trump has a 2.8 ? I am not sure I care.
Do I think there is a chance in h311 that his handicap is in the 20’s – the norm for someone over 60 ? Nope
People bend the truth about themselves all the time. But only left wing nuts confuse being 5-10 with 4-10.
Trump exagerates, oversimplifies, has an enormous ego and likes getting it stroked.
But contra the left he does NOT tell absolute bald faced lies.
His handicap may not be 2.8 – but it is very very low for his age.
He out campaigned the crap out of Harris – who is Younger.
I could not have come close to managing to keep up on his campaign.
Frankly I could not manage to keep up on his normal day as president.
Nor could more 50 year olds.
you want to claim Trump’s handicapp is not 2.8 – fine, I do not know, I do not care.
But it is lower than Biden’s and Obama’s and pretty much every other president.
Could he die tomorow ? Any of us could – he is in Gaza right now for god’s sake.
Is he likely to die ? Nope.
In 2029 he will be 1 year older than Biden is now.
Throwing more dog pooo on the wall, praying something will stick.
So far you loons have record of ZERO.
Just like Russia, russia.
Trump has a handicap of 2.8 – the lowest of any president ever – by far.
Obama’s was estimated at 13 and JFK’s at 12.
That REQUIRES that he can hit the ball ACCURATELY and WITH POWER.
“That REQUIRES that he can hit the ball ACCURATELY and WITH POWER.”
Not true. Handicaps are derived from whichever set of tees you choose to play, but if your distance is unsuitable for the tees you’re playing, your handicap will suffer.
At 80 years old, Trump doesnt have a lot of power, which is understandable.
I play with geezers who cant hit it out of their shadow who carry low single digit handicaps. They just play from the up tees.
I get a kick out of watching a smart guy like you say the stupidest shlt.
“Donald Trump is known to hit his drives about 250 yards, which is considered impressive for his age. While Trump claims to hit the ball up to 280 yards, this is considered an exaggeration.
A golf pro has analyzed Trump’s swing and placed him in the top 5% of amateur golfers aged 75 and above, indicating he hits the ball further than many peers in his age group.
Trump’s swing is noted for its power and flexibility, especially for his age.
He has a unique backswing that is flatter than many professional players, but he effectively generates power during his downswing.”
I get a kick out of watching a smart guy like you say the stupidest shlt.
I do not give a schiff about your alleged personal experience with Geezers.
Trump lives under a microscope.
As the quote above indicated and everyone knows – Trump exaggerates ….. A little.
As I have said before – unlike left wing nuts – he does not tell bald faced crazy lies.
As to his golf game – It does not matter what he SAYS he does. If his real performance was as pathetic as you are arguing – it would be well known.
You are constantly and stupidly betting long odds.
Is Trump’s actually handicap 2.8 ? Probably not.
Can he hit a ball 280 yds ? probably not.
Is he wheezing and gasping his way arround the course and barely able to make the hike to VM1 – Nope.
If you constantly bet on long odds – your going to be disappointed nearly all the time.
I know from personal experience that rven wit a cart, you will walk 1.5 to two miles in an 18 hole round.
Not if you drive the cart to within a few feet of the ball, even when it is on the green.
If he makes 5 strokes per hole for eighteen holes and drives the cart to within 10 feet of the ball then that is 900 feet that he would walk. And that is overestimating. He probably does less than 900 feet.
Why do think he drives the cart onto the green when the ball is a long way from the edge of the green ???
Obviously a walk of more than 20 to 30 feet is beyond his capacity.
ATS – Trump routinely is videoed walking farther than 20-30 ft.
It is significantly farther than that to get to Marine One,
it is almost double that if he choses to take questions from the press at the rope line – which he normally does.
Trump is 79 “A 79-year-old in the U.S. can expect to live an average of about 9.5 more years”
In good health – probably more.
At the same time -he could die tomorow. That is much more likely than if he was 20.
It is likely that over the next 4 years his health will decline – atleast a little – 79 yr olds do NOT get healthier with age.
But the actual evidence is he is doing fine.
John
Don’t you just love these so called Doc Ano.
Yet they told us over & over Biden was sharp and a tack and healthy as can be….
Now the want us to believe them,
DustOff,
That is why no one ever believes the annony morons. They have been so wrong, so many times, they have no credibility at all.
How marvelous!!
Trump does not drink. Alcohol is the most common cause of liver disease.
In fact most of the common causes are things that are NOT part of Trump’s lifestyle.
Anon 11:36 ……. Something tells me that you’ve been fully vaxxed and have a house full of cats.
According to the report, Trump received the latest COVID booster.
Trump is now “fully vaxxed” so what is your point exactly ?????
The pluses and minuses of a covid vax for someone who is 79 are radically different from someone who is 40.
“We know he has severe peripheral edema as illustrated by his swollen ankles. Congestive heart failure is one of the most common causes. “
Did you forget that chronic venous insufficiency is common in that age group, affecting almost half the population? It shows how little value you bring to the table. Upstate was right.
Chronic STABLE venous insufficiency is indeed common in the elderly and usually of no great concern. It can be managed conservatively as long as it does not worsen. However it CAN be an indication of a more serious underlying condition.
Chronic venous insufficiency that is WORSENING is another thing altogether. We have ample photographic evidence that Trump’s ankle swelling is worsening at an alarming rate. This is dramatic worsening.
This requires immediate diagnostic intervention to rule out other serious conditions such as congestive heart failure and renal failure. The medical report explicitly states that Trump underwent “advanced imaging” studies, but fails to mention what those studies were, or what results were obtained.
The most serious potential problem is congestive heart failure. This requires diagnosis by means of doppler echocardiogram and cardiac MRI with contrast. These are “advanced imaging” studies. In the face of worsening venous insufficiency and peripheral edema it would be malpractice to fail to do these studies. There can be no doubt that these are the “advanced imaging studies” referred to in the report.
The question is, why does the report fail to describe the “advanced imaging” studies or the results ???
If the results were perfectly normal, there can be no doubt that the results would be made available.
Trump himself would be proclaiming on Truth Social that all the test results were “exceptional”.
But he isn’t.
We can only conclude that something is amiss and it is potentially serious.
This isn’t about Trump’s health, but rather, it’s about creating fear. My concern isn’t his legs; it’s that Democrats might try again to assassinate him. At 80, anyone’s body shows wear. That’s life nearing its natural endpoint. You list symptoms and diseases as if that proves something. Where was this concern when the walking corpse, Joe Biden, was in office?
It’s not just about his swollen legs you fool.
Did you read my comment.
His venous insufficiency is WORSENING. This indicates the possibility of a serious underlying condition. There is obviously some other serious problem that is causing the WORSENING. The worsening swollen legs are just a symptom.
That is why his physicians are obligated to find out what is going on. That is why they performed “advanced imaging” studies to rule out congestive heart failure. It would be malpractice to fail to do these tests.
However they fail to describe the nature of the “advanced imaging” studies, and fail to report the results. If there was no problem, then they, and Trump would be proclaiming that everything is fine.
But they aren’t.
We can only conclude that there is a serious problem.
And why do you fly off on a ridiculous tangent about Biden.
What exactly is the point of that stupid remark.
How does bringing up Biden rationalize Trump’s medical problems.
You are the one bringing “little value to the table”.
You have zero substantiation for a single word you said.
You made up every word of it.
“His venous insufficiency is WORSENING. This indicates the possibility of a serious underlying condition.”
With age, venous insufficiency gets worse, not better. Are you foolish enough to believe it should be improving with the hours he works, flying everywhere, and standing on his feet? Brilliant work. Thinking without a brain. The President and the doctors will do what is needed, and don’t need you hyperventilating and looking like an idiot.
“The worsening swollen legs are just a symptom.”
You must be a genius. You discovered that swollen legs are a symptom. Will you get the Nobel Prize for Medi-sin?
“And why do you fly off on a ridiculous tangent about Biden.”
It wasn’t ridiculous. Your mind works in only one direction: flying far and wide, nowhere.
Has it crossed your feeble mind that I might be a physician.
Here are the facts, that are indisputable.
Trump has chronic venous insufficiency.
Chronic STABLE venous insufficiency is common in the elderly and can be managed conservatively, as long as it stays STABLE.
WORSENING venous insufficiency is cause for concern, and when it worsens rapidly, for which we have ample evidence, then his physicians are obligated to rule out congestive heart failure and renal failure. Congestive heart failure can only be diagnosed with “advanced imaging” studies such as doppler echocardiogram and cardiac MRI with contrast. The medical report says that “advanced imaging” studies were performed, but fails to describe the studies or the results.
The facts are that when venous insufficiency rapidly worsens, a physician is absolutely required to rule out congestive heart failure, which has severe consequences.
If the physicians failed to do these studies they are guilty of malpractice.
Thus we can conclude that the “advanced imaging” studies performed were doppler echocardiogram and cardiac MRI.
There is no other possible conclusion. There is 100% certainty that these studies were performed.
And yet the medical report says nothing about what “advanced imaging” studies were performed or what the results were.
Since there is 100% certainty that these studies were performed, the absence of reported results indicates that they were not normal. If they were normal, Trump would be proclaiming this on Truth Social, but he isn’t.
Flinging pathetically childish and snotty ad hominem insults is not an argument against indisputable facts.
“Has it crossed your feeble mind that I might be a physician.”
If you were, you would not be a credit to the medical profession. You are too imprecise and scattered. You would panic in the operating room, sweating all over the patient, and peeing in your pants. Yes, venous insufficiency can be a sign of an illness, but that is not for you to decide. So far, I take note of Trump’s abilities and cognition while paying attention to how long a sentence he can speak without taking a breath.
Instead of histrionics, why don’t you go back to your room and play with your Tonka toy ambulance and police cars?
S. Meyer,
Well said.
Why would anyone believe anything some annony moron says? He did not examine Trump first hand, he did not read the test results. He is just making up crap that he read on the internet.
His understanding of the difference between clinical observation and testing shows he knows little about the subject. That is fitting because sometimes he uses the alias of Dr. Sigmund Fraud.
It is irrelevant if you are a physician.
You are not h presidents physician – you do not have an unlimited budget and the requirement to deliver the best care in the world.
You can not argue from testing to diagnosis, because you can not be certain the testing is not out of an abundance of caution.
Regardless Trump is 79 – he is at greater risk than those much younger.
Trump will NOT be healthier next year than this year.
But the odds of anything we currently know indicating a life threatening problem are LOW.
Except to those engaged in wishful thinking.
So long as you post as anonymous – you have only the words of the immediate post to persuade us of anything.
You could be a physican – and pigs might fly.
But there is no reason to beleive you are.
Has it crossed your feeble mind that I might be a physician.
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You could also be a liar.
“Has it crossed your feeble mind that I might be a physician.”
You’re not, so stfu
“How does bringing up Biden rationalize Trump’s medical problems.”
Because BOTH are examples of the left living in alternate reality.
I would note that While Biden is in clear cognative decline – and has been for a decade,
He has also been in obvious physical decline.
With certainty – Trump will decline over the next 4 years. 79 yr olds do not get healthier.
As to your fixation on tests and imaging – it is likely that anything Trump has even the hint of his physicians will take 10 times more seriously than they would for you or I.
It is very difficult at this point to actually draw conclusions based on what is currently known.
AS I told YOU before – follow trends in his golf game – those will be harder to hide and will show any significant decline rapidly.
I suggest that you contact the American Heart Association to let them know that someone’s golf handicap is the best prognostic indicator for cardiac disease.
They are laboring under the obvious misapprehension that testing such as doppler echocardiograms, cardiac MRI, ECG, cardiac catheterization and so on are necessary to diagnose heart disease.
How can they possibly be so stupid.
You are obviously much more knowledgeable in these matters.
Ano
I suggest that you contact the American Heart Association
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Which book? Maybe ACLS (professional) manual 2010-2011.
“And why do you fly off on a ridiculous tangent about Biden.”
Why do you Biden cat ladies have such a hissy fit when people point out that during the Biden presidency, you and your Internet Medical Practice were as silent as FBI whistleblowers during the Clinton/Obama Russia Dossier criminal scheme?
Your excuse is you didn’t have your Internet Medical Degree to do online analysis until just after The Oval Office House Plant left the building for the last time a few months ago?
Can only advise us now on sitting American presidents because you’re just freshly out of Internet Medical School?
We can only conclude that you’re yet another hysterical Democrat, cosplaying as being intelligent while hoping somebody agrees your sophomoric efforts bring something of value to the table.
Ano
How does bringing up Biden rationalize Trump’s medical problems.
You are the one bringing “little value to the table”.
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Simple. Lons lke yourself told us over and over Biden was in great health, when it wasn’t had to see he was NOT.
Not that it matters. I went to UCSD medical school in San Diego.
How about you?
How’s that for “value” ????
What “value” do you bring to the table, apart from snotty insults.
Trump’s ankle swelling is worsening at an alarming rate.
Dear Ankle Biter,
do remember to double glove while partying tonight at any number of the West Hollywood Bathhouses for homersexuals. Ankle swelling is indicative of you standing knee deep in bodily fluids laced with crystal meth and other entities. Talk to Ed Buck next time you visit him so he can advise you accordingly
Oh, advanced imaging refers to using refined diagnostic instruments which are opposite of what you are accustomed to using at those dirty glory holes
you’re welcum
“Democratic Donor Ed Buck Is Convicted In Deaths Of 2 Men He Offered Drugs For Sex”
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/28/1021704847/democratic-donor-ed-buck-convicted-drugs-for-sex-california
No that is not the only possible conclusion – Trump is the president of the United States – even if he does not want it he will get the best and most conservative care in existence.
Tests that are not normally done on the rest of us will be done on him.
But yes – everyone could be lying – and Trump might die of congestive heart failure tomorow.
But there is an excellent reason to fixate on his golf game.
Any consequential problems with his health – WILL show up there – even if you do not get the reports you want.
Trumps handicapp rising quickly, the frequency with which he plays declining quickly would be sings of actual decline. Not necescarily enough to invoke the 25th amendment – but still signs of more rapid decline.
But he is 79 – he is NOT going to be healthier next year.
Most of use do not wish those we disagree with to be assassinated.
We do not wish ill health one them.
Contra the left – Republicans did not celebrate Biden’s obvious infirmities.
They were sad about them – They were also Angry that the left was as a block lying
no not just lying – but Crazy lying about Biden.
My father suffered from vascular deminesia – he went from mentally competent to dead in 3 years.
Biden is progressing more slowly – that is actually worse – as much ill will as I might have for democrats and Biden. I would not wish what Joe is OBIOUSLY going through on anyone.
But you are salivating at the prosepect that something – anything is wrong with Trump.
You have been living in that false hope for 8 years now.
Someday – it WILL prove true. Trump is not living 30 more years.
John Say
You say, “Tests that are not normally done on the rest of us will be done on him.”
I can tell you with absolute 100% certainty that if you present to a doctor with rapidly worsening peripheral edema, then you will be immediately scheduled for a doppler echocardiogram to check for congestive heart failure.. Depending on those results you may then be scheduled for cardiac MRI with contrast.
Any physician who fails to do this for ANY patient is guilty of malpractice.
Period.
End of discussion.
ATS – we have heard claims that Trump was in poor health for almost a decade – none have proven true.
We also heard reports on Biden’s poor health – nearly all of those proved true.
Trump has a busy schedule, and when he is NOT conducting the business of the president he is busy doing other things – even playing golf as much as he does is NOT something people his age are normally up to.
It is possible that Trump’s medical is hiding serious problems – We KNOW that Bidens was lie upon lie.
If Trump is actually faltering in his ability to do the job – just like Biden – we will see that. Not an occasional poroblem that even 20 year olds have, but a pattern of declining health.
Thus far we are not seeing that.
Not only are we not seeing signs of decline, we are seeing signs of someone who is happy and is thriving in life.
If there is a change – it will be obvious quickly.
Trump is old enough that the possibility of problems before the end of his term is very real.
But left wing nuts wishfully HOPING Trump is debilitated is little different from hoping people are assassinated.
It makes YOU not them morally repugnant.
Bull.
A doctor you do not make.
Now can we talk about bidens doctor? Or lack of one.