Below is my column in The Hill on the recent controversies over enhanced images of Alex Pretti and his shooting in Minnesota. As seen throughout our history, Pretti has achieved mythic status — even having an ice cream invented after him by one of the founders of Ben & Jerry’s. Reality recedes when politics demand the perfect hero.
Here is the column:
“Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy.”
That statement, from F. Scott Fitzgerald, has never been truer than with the posthumous treatment of Alex Pretti, killed in a confrontation with federal officers in Minneapolis. He has been called a “hero” and a “martyr” by the left as a rallying cry for protests around the country. In the process, many have “enhanced” both his story and his image.
MS NOW has admitted that it used an AI-enhanced photo of Pretti that made him look more handsome. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) was criticized for bringing to the Senate floor an altered image, featuring a headless immigration agent, that made it look like officers executed a kneeling Pretti with a shot to the head.
Pretti needs to be be inviolate to make the government seem vile in the eyes of the public. He is being described as the combination of Florence Nightingale and Crispus Attucks.
A CNN panelist and co-host of “The View,” Ana Navarro, voiced the new orthodoxy that Pretti was the “perfect guy … the guy you’d want to date your daughter, the guy you want your son to grow up to be, a decent human being who was serving humanity.” She added that he was so perfect that “there is nothing that has been said about that man that isn’t wonderful. And so they can’t malign him.”
The point is that any skepticism, let alone criticism, is no longer acceptable.
In fairness, Pretti was vilified before he was canonized. Many of us objected that the videotape evidence did not support the original description of Pretti’s conduct. Pretti did not threaten officers or approach them brandishing a weapon.
But he did disobey police orders and he did resist arrest. Indeed, eleven days earlier, he had spat at officers, damaged a police vehicle by kicking out its taillight, and again resisted officers.
The remaking of Alex Pretti by both sides is strikingly familiar. On Tuesday, my book on the 250th anniversary of the American Revolution will be released. “Rage and the Republic” looks at both the American and French Revolutions to explore why one became the world’s oldest democracy and the other became a blood-soaked terror.
At the height of the social unrest of the French Revolution, the Jacobins also “enhanced” the images of their martyrs. One of the most famous paintings by Jacques-Louis David was called The Death of Marat, the depiction of the murder of one of the architects of the Reign of Terror. David was an ardent supporter of the radical faction that carried out the mass executions of the period.
Marat was a vile human being who had delighted in his summary executions. Covered by painful sores from a rare skin condition, he was stabbed in his bathtub by a young woman who gained access by promising him a list of new traitors to be executed. David portrayed the slain Marat as a flawless martyr with alabaster skin, laid out like a religious Pieta.
Pretti was no Marat. He was described as a caring nurse at the Veterans’ hospital. He also vehemently opposed immigration enforcement and was a member of a group committed to filming and disrupting ICE operations.
What occurred on that day will be resolved in the ongoing investigations. However, few are waiting for such findings. He is now a figure to be enhanced while dehumanizing law enforcement.
As with the French Revolution, establishment figures are fueling the mob to ride the rage wave to the midterm elections. Walz even repeated the debunked story of the “bait boy” and said that undocumented persons being sought for removal were like Anne Frank, an assertion that drew a rebuke from the Holocaust museum.
Protesters responded to such rhetoric with signs reading, “Kill Nazis.”
Deification and demonization have long been methods used to push a populace to embrace radical action, or even revolution. As we celebrate our Declaration of Independence, “Rage and the Republic” asks whether the American Republic can survive the 21st Century with the pressures of civil unrest and economic upheaval.
Yet, when I wrote the book, I never anticipated how we would hear many of the same voices calling for revolution and resistance in the U.S. Walz has even referred to this as a Fort Sumter moment, a reference to the fight that led to our civil war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
The history of the American and French Revolutions shows that heroes can be discovered or created for political purposes. They can produce true tragedies when they are used to radicalize some and dehumanize others.
Pretti needs no enhancement. Neither he nor the officers on that day were “perfect” beings. The facts of what happened on January 24, 2026, are likely to be as conflicted and subjective as the political environment itself. Any shooting of this kind is imperfect — events that could have been changed by a myriad of different actions or movements. That is the true tragedy.
Jonathan Turley is a law professor and the best-selling author of the Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.”
Robespierre got executeed in the giloteen he helped build
Meanwhile, the federal government is also looking into the mountains of fraud in Minnesota. And this will take quite a a while.
Rename him too, Whitey Lloyd…
Pretti was waging genocidal war and should burn with Josef Mengele.
NYC union nurses on strike continues
Average NYC union nurse salary is $163,000/year.
Now they want $250,000/year salary.
Duties and responsibilities: Change bed pans, bed sheets, take temperature, take blood samples and issue 2 aspirin…..
Now they want $250,000/year salary.
Duties and responsibilities: Change bed pans, bed sheets, take temperature, take blood samples and issue 2 aspirin…..
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The nursing profession has several different education, training and skill levels; ranging from a few months of education to 4+ years. Nurses who have earned a 4 year Bachelors degree in nursing are highly educated and presumably trained. So I don’t think the above⬆description of job duties is accurate, at least with that subset. And some highly skilled nurses deserve what the open market will pay them, whatever that amount is. If the open market will pay (or is that COMPENSATE, with fringes>???) $250K, with or without striking, then that is what it will pay. So I say let them strike- if it works and the employer buckles under, due to lost revenue, reputation or whatever, more power to them. BUT, if the employer says FAFO, and it turns out bad for a purple shirted SEIU loser, then the open market has also spoken, loud and clear.
I wonder. Are these hospitals run by the church or city?
Unions are illegal and unconstitutional criminal organizations.
Private property owners are being denied their constitutional freedoms and rights to create and operate an enterprise.
Corporations should fire and blacklist all strikers, bite the bullet until unions are bled dry, and put them all out of business once and for all.
These ridiculous strikes must be declared illegal by dispositive legislation.
Americans are free to pursue happiness by establishing a free enterprise, accepting employment, or living on independent wealth.
Americans are not free to blackmail, extort, and coerce private and public employers.
No unions are not illegal or unconstitutional.
There is a very good argument against unions for public employees.
There is a good argument that government should stay out of strikes, and contract negotiations – beyond preventing violence.
Beyond that a union is just a group of people deciding to negotiate a contract together.
No company has tghe right to your labor,
No laboror has the right to a job.
Companies are free to negotiate with labor as they please.
Labor is free to negotiate with employers as they please.
It is called the free market.
No company has a right to your labor, and you have no right to work for that company, but I suspect that if a company fired all of the strikers, the government would overrule the decision. So, it is not really a fair fight if the government is on the strikers side.
In a free market, companies pay in wages and benefits what it takes to attract and keep workers, and workers are free to move to whatever employer pays them what they think they are worth. Some outside authority that forces a company to pay workers more than they are worth to the company is why a 2% inflation rate, at best, is what we have to live with.
“Now they want $250,000/year salary.” LoL
Beginning to sound a lot like Chicago’s Teacher Union
Waste Of The Day: NYC Healthcare Fund Is Out Of Cash
By: Jeremy Portnoy – RealClearWire ~ January 30th, 2026
Key facts: New York’s taxpayer-funded Health Insurance Stabilization Fund owes $3.1 billion to outside vendors and the city that it’s unable to pay. The actual amount is likely much higher because expenses from 2024 and 2025 have not been totaled yet, according to Lander’s Dec. 30 audit.
https://realclearwire.com/articles/2026/01/30/waste_of_the_day_nyc_healthcare_fund_is_out_of_cash_1160319.html
Anyone that has any common sense knows you would not take a gun to the middle of a police action and expect to come out of it safe. This Pretti person was doing what his group wanted – to become another death for his group to use for PR against ICE and the the Trump Admin. His group will continue to do this when the media needs the hype.
Hypothetical: man with Concealed Carry permit robs a gas station at gunpoint. Does he duck the armed robbery charge and just get charged with simple robbery?
“Does he duck the armed robbery charge and just get charged with simple robbery?”
Assuming that was a serious question, no. Furthermore, all carry permits with which I am familiar (I hold six of them) are accompanied by laws prohibited certain kinds of conduct while carrying. So, not only could your hypothetical robber be charged with armed robbery,that could be enhanced with a charge of brandishing a weapon, and probably several other charges specific to violating conduct demanded of a firearms carrier.
Poor Turley–he has to earn that MAGA media paycheck, so he craps on a dead man, who is of higher quality than any of the losers in the Trump administration. Turley claims that “skepticism” and “criticism” are not tolerated, so he tries to make the case that Pretti disregarded police orders and was therefore not a perfect hero–WHAT “orders”? There were NO ‘illegal aliens” being apprehended. Pretti was exercising his Constitutionally-protected right of freedom of speech. Turley also complains that Pretti kicked out a taillight and spat at the loser trash wearing ICE insignia days before he was murdered. So what? We don’t summarily execute people for spitting at a vehicle or for vandalism–Turley tried, in a previous post, to make the case that Pretti committed a felony by kicking out the taillight–but he was NOT arrested. Again I say–so what? Only MAGA media thinks the taillight incident has any relevance. In fact, it does not–just another lame MAGA media excuse to try to defend a clear-cut case of law enforcement misconduct and murder. Bear in mind that Trump had previously said, out loud, that anyone protesting him should be shot in the legs. He meant it.
Here’s the overarching problem–Pretti was RIGHTFULLY ANGRY over the ICE occupation of the city he calls home, where he cares for our critically-ill American hero veterans and where these ICE losers murdered Renee Good the week before. ICE Barbie, Trump and others in the most-corrupt and unqualified administration in US history LIED about Good’s murder, they announced, before her body even made it to the mortuary, that there would be NO criminal investigation, no civil rights investigation, Jonathan Ross was NOT put on administrative leave, and local law enforcement was barred from access to the evidence. They took her car, her body, Ross’s weapon and told everyone to shut up and go away. So, what is a patriotic citizen of Minneapolis supposed to do? Capitulate? Not Alex Pretti, RN.
Pretti had EVERY RIGHT to be angry, to take to the streets and to express his anger. When Pretti was murdered, he was trying to help up a woman shoved to the ground by ICE agents, and was pepper sprayed. After they knocked him to the pavement, they kicked him and beat him with an empty pepper spray container. His unholstered weapon was grabbed by an ICE loser BEFORE he was shot in the head. Then, the ignoramus losers pumped 10 bullets into his back–he had not been moving before they did this. This is the caliber of murderous trash whose conduct Turley is trying to defend. It’s not working, Turley. Just take a look at all of the protests, all over the United States, including in red states and cities. There IS NO “counterbalance” to what happened. We don’t send masked troops in unmarked vehicles to the streets of our cities. We don’t summarily execute people for exercising their right of freedom of speech.
“Pretti had EVERY RIGHT to be angry, to take to the streets and to express his anger.”
Wrong; Alex Pretti had the “right…peaceably to assemble.”
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1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law…abridging the…right of the people peaceably to assemble….
Yep. Pretti was right. So right. Dead right. It can happen when one shows up at such volatile events with a firearm. Accidentally, purposefully, or otherwise.
Hello there Mr. Anonymous,
Oh the irony. Mr. Turley has a book you can read, something about Rage.. As you exhibit quite eloquently, I believe you might learn something.
Turley and his books are a joke. As part of MAGA media, he is trying to dismiss the outrage the majority of us Americans feel over Trump, his unqualified “cabinet” of losers whose main qualification is unquestioned loyalty to him, and the outrageous things he has done in just over one short year, as just mere “rage”.
So are Americans just supposed to accept an unmitiged liar who lied about bringing down the cost of groceries to get into office, who calls migrants “animals, vermin, murderers and rapists”, lies about them eating cats and dogs, lies about losing in 2020, someone who sent an army of gullible people to the Capitol because his massive ego cannot handle rejection, who lied about COVID and quack cures that resulted in unnecessary deaths and illnesses, who lied on loan applications, lies about widespread voter fraud, lies about judges, lies about his ties to a pedophile, who lies just all of the time and who wastes our taxpayer dollars on getting revenge against his perceived enemies. He is a convicted felon, an adjudicated assaulter of a woman that he has defamed, someone who brags about grabbing womens genitals, who tore down part of the White House to build a vanity ballroom larger than the White House itself,, who paved over Jackie Kennedy’s Rose Garden so women who wear ridiculously high heels that he requires won’t have their heels get stuck in dirt, who put his name above JFK’s on the Kennedy Center, who insulted our EU and NATO allies, who threatened to take Greenland by force, requiring NATO to send troops to defend the island against the United States, who kidnapped the President of Venezuela and appointed himself President of Venezuela, who sent murderous thugs to Minneapolis because Tim Walz ran against him as VP—-the list is too long to repeat, but it is all true and outrageously un-American. As opinion polls prove, Americans DO NOT accept Trump. We want him gone. We want ICE gone. We want tariffs gone. We want the East Wing restored and Trump’s name off of the JFK Center for Performing Arts. We are taking to the streets in record numbers to express our outrage. You want proof? A Democrat just won an election by double-digits in Texas in a red district Trump won in the last election by double digits. There’s more of this to come. There IS such a thing as righteous anger. Even Jesus angrily kicked out the money changers in the temple.
John Grandy: YOU are the one who needs to learn something.
Turley and his books are a joke. As part of MAGA media, he is trying to dismiss the outrage the majority of us Americans feel over Trump…
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The vast MAJORITY of Americans support Trump. The east and west coasts are NOT a “majority” of Americans. Indeed, that is WHY Trump is NOW President, our leader. You and Camel Hair lost, deal with it. Get help at your healthcare provider for your severe case of TDS🩺
Polls prove, and Trump admitted that “groceries” was the reason he “won”— but he still didn’t even get half of the votes cast. He lied about being able to bring down the cost of groceries on “day one “. He had no clue how to do that. He lies about the rate of inflation when he took office and the current rate— which is not substantially different. Groceries actually cost more, due to some extent to his illegal tariffs.
If MAGA media are telling you that most Americans support and approve of Trump, they are lying to you. If they are telling you that only people living on the east and west coasts oppose Trump, they are lying to you. There were “no kings “ protests all over the country, including red states and vocal opposition to ICE concentration camps in red states are succeeding. Trump’s approval rating is in the thirties— this is consistent with multiple polls —and it is a record. Courts are consistently ruling against Trump, including judges he appointed. He wastes taxpayer money on getting revenge against his perceived enemies, and criminal cases against his enemies are being tossed out. His DOJ is hiding most of the Epstein files. Americans are fed up.
McGovern insisted that he would not remove Eagleton from the ticket, declaring that he was behind him “1,000 percent.
“Polls prove, and Trump admitted that “groceries” was the reason he “won”
False, it is extremely rare than any single issue is responsible for an election victory.
Trump won because more people prefered his platform to whatever they beleived they were getting from Harris – Harris did not really have a platform.
In FACT Trump’s platform is significantly MORE popular than he is.
Even today – 80–90% of people want criminal illegals deported.
And a majority want all illegals deported.
That is from MANY polls – including several left laning ones.
Regardless like all elections some of the people voting for Trump support some elements of his platform and oppose others.
And some of the people who voted for Harris still want SOME of the items on Trump’s platform.
Citizens are not homogenous, all sharing exactly the same political preferences.
As to prices – I drove by my gas station and unleaded 88 is 2.98.
In some places it is far lower.
Of course in many blue states it is far higher.
Trump’s current approval – 46% on Rassmussen that is the only place tracking it daily, is hgiher than Bush or Obama at this point in their 2nd term and higher than Biden at this point in his only term.
Trumps approval has been dancing between 43 and 47 since Oct 2025. The trend is flat.
None of the lefts efforts to Tank his approval have had more than temporary impact.
If as is expected the economy continues to improve, and peace deals continue to make progress, inflation continues to decline, interest rates decline, …. Trump’s numbers will with certainty improve.
Conversely democrats have driven their approval into the teens.
Righteous anger for deportation of illegal immigrants and illegal criminal immigrants? I donot understand why any American would not want these people out. Do you have any idea of the damage they have done tou our industries, healthcare system, educational institutions? We’re $38 Trillion dollars in debt and climbing, how much of that number do you suppose is attributable to illegal immigation?
GFY
Haha. “Unqualified.” Do you mean they aren’t the right color or haven’t taken cross sex hormones or manly men with fake boobs they twirl for the camera or speak in riddles that sound like incantations? BTW – where are all the “POCs” at these riots? All liberal pink-haired weirdos and a few men who need the media to “enhance” their images to make them more palatable.
What are you here for then, just to agitate like Pretti but behind a keyboard like the wuss you are??
Ano
Turley and his books are a joke
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So how many have you written?
Could it be, you are just jealous.
poor baby
“Turley and his books are a joke”
So don’t buy them.
No one is forcing you to buy any book.
Be angry all you want, but don’t touch law enforcement & don’t resist arrest. Pretti was just another hothead vigilante wannabe.
Pretti should not have been shot but for his conduct. He was unhinged, protecting criminals, pedos, drunk driver illegals from their proper arrests. ICE agents have fatwas on them, duck frozen water bottes thrown at them, and a whole lot of paid rioters who are interfering in their dutiful jobs without a bit of assistance from the local police who should be cordoning the area to keep the mob away from them. Do you think that just perhaps the whistles are interfering in agents’ ability to communicate effectively with each other? If they can’t hear then it’s the fault of the whistle blowers and shouters who place themselves squarely in the middle of a dangerous situation to make it even more dangerous. Shame of the rioters. It isn’t going down everywhere, just where the idiot mayors and governors are ginning up the insurrection for their own aggrandizement, obviously not interested in the safety of the rioters.
LOL
JT – You have sunk to a new low.
Whining about a dead guy. Really? How about talking about what is happening now? But wait, what is happening now is people are abandoning trump. When will you jump ship JT? When?
Democrats pulled off a major upset when, on Saturday, January 31, their nominee, Taylor Rehmet, enjoyed a 14 percent victory in a special election for a Texas State Senate seat in the Ft. Worth suburbs. Donald Trump carried that district by 17 percent in the 2024 presidential election, but his endorsement couldn’t save the GOP nominee, Leigh Wambsganss, from a double-digit loss.
@Anonymous
Post your name instead of the drive by. The rest of us do.
If you Mr. Anonymous were not so effing infected to your core with TDS that has eaten away your soul, you would know that the Democrat winning in Texas was in a deep blue district and the election was to fill the seat vacated by Sheila Jackson Lee after her passing. The Texas 18th Congressional District has been and will remain a deep blue Democrat district and will never elect anyone other than another useless Democrat whose main purpose is to continue perpetrating and playing the racist card because the Democrat Party has nothing of note to offer. Without grievances, Democrats have no voice, nothing to offer the nation, and it is evidenced every damn time you post one of your idiotic rantings. The comments about Pretti were so out of any reason they are useless for serious consideration. Any fool who brings a loaded firearm into a volatile situation, confronts other armed law enforcement officers, and interferes with their sworn duty is asking for the infamous “FAFO” consequences. I don’t celebrate his death, but I don’t celebrate his lack of common sense either.
This goes back a long way. What immediately comes to mind is how the press made Michael Brown of Ferguson Missouri into a handsome high school student with a promising future. Of course assaulting the Korean grocer while stealing cigars from his store was easily forgotten. Trying to grab a cop’s gun while resisting demands to cooperate with the police, easily overlooked. He died a hero. George Floyd died a hero too, on drugs and passing counterfeit money—the people the left copse as heroes is impressive, yes or no
Ever wonder how that gun got out of the holster so that Brown could grab it? How a cop in a car that could drive at over 100 mph was unable to escape? How the confrontation began that placed the cop car across the road to block Brown when there had not been a report of an assault made at the time? About why a cop would engage in a foot chase when simply following Brown in the car would not only save on running, but also put the car that he would detain Brown in closer to Brown and allow the cop to call for aid on the radio? Why the cop shot his own car?
Oh, he says he was being overpowered by Brown and needed the gun? The answer to having a strong attacker is not to hand them a weapon. You put the car in gear and drag the guy reaching into the window until you can scrape him off on a power pole or he falls off.
The cop screwed up and threatened to kill Brown with the gun. Brown believed the threat and pushed the gun down. The cop panicked and shot his own car – with the window down the bullet went through it, doing damage that could not be covered up. The cop couldn’t just slap a patch over the small hole, he would have to explain how the gun discharged. After that, he needed to eliminate the only witness – and couldn’t shoot left handed from the driver’s seat if he drove after Brown. He had to get out to get a clear shot. Then all he needed was to wait for Brown to turn so as to not shoot him in the back. Witness dead, he had weeks and access to evidence to make a story that almost fit the evidence.
What triggered the cop? Per an interview the cop gave after he was clear from indictment, it was that Brown called him a “pussy.” All the rest was road rage.
More of your Bullchit
That’s for sure.
you can keep your insurance
These are the people the Left adore.
THE BYRD DEFENSE
The ICE officers who shot Alex Pretti will use the Lt. Michael Byrd defense, which claims that, while no crime was committed by the deceased, the “threat” presented was so great that lethal force was justified.
In fact, little Ashli Babbitt (5’2″, 115 lbs.), while aggressive, possessed no weapon and no physical force sufficient to cause serious damage.
Alex Pretti was aggressive, armed, and dangerous on the day he lost his life, and he was armed and dangerous 10 days previously when he committed aggravated felonies while in possession of a firearm against federal ICE agents.
What is the threat imposed by someone holding a cellphone, helping a woman maimed by offers on an icy curb, and with his back to a horde of armed officers?
Saying he was “aggressive” simply due to his legally possessed and holstered firearm is a gross miscalculation of the situation and an affront to our Second Amendment.
officers, not offers
The justification is the threat, not the commission of any crime.
If it worked for the brave and courageous manly man Missy Michael Byrd (i.e., chicken), it must work for the threatened ICE officers.
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10 days previously he committed aggravated felonies while in possession of a firearm against federal ICE agents. He spat at them and on their vehicle then kicked out the taillight hanging from the wires. He committed crimes and was going to get arrested but resisted and became violent.
None of that is relevant to whether he was “aggressive” on the day he was shot in the back.
“What goes up must come down
Spinnin’ wheel got to go ’round”
“What is the threat imposed by someone holding a cellphone, helping a woman maimed by offers on an icy curb, and with his back to a horde of armed officers?
You do not “help” someone who is interacting with Law Enforcement – that is called OBSTRUCTION.
The woman should have stayed off the street.
Pretti should have stayed away from the officer.
“Saying he was “aggressive” simply due to his legally possessed and holstered firearm is a gross miscalculation of the situation and an affront to our Second Amendment.”
False – with rights come responsibility.
You should be aware at this point that if you have a carry permit, you are obligated to have it and ID on you whenever you are carrying.
Pretti did not.
But there are other obligations that vary from state to state.
Generally you are obligated in any encounter with law enforcement to inform them you are armed.
Pretti did no – MN law may not require that – most states do.
You are usually obligated to get training.
The training is NOT in the use of the firearm – it is in the law, such as the law of self defense, and the laws regarding carrying.
Most states impose additional duries to AVOID confrontation if you are armed.
Do you not understand WHY ?
This specific instance is why.
If you are armed what you are supposed to do in a “violent” situation, is to retreat if possible – NOT engage.
Law enforcement engages when armed – that is their job.
You rant because the ICE officer appears to be “agressive – because he is leaning heavily forward.
That is likely because he is armed. It is extremely common for police to have their gun taken from them in a conflict.
That is one of many reasons they are very sensitive to people getting close to them.
That is one of many reasons why merely intentionally contacting a police officer is assault.
Do not get Physical – not even a little with a LEO – armed or not.
They WILL treat you as an aggressive threat.
If you are going to carry – learn the rules AND learn good conduct.
Absolutely DO NOT rush into a physical conflict with others.
Frankly you should not do that if you are unarmed,
and you should not do that if one of the parties is a LEO.
The assumptions regarding Defending yourself or defending others
ALWAYS favor the LEOs.
Put differently you do NOT have the right to self defense or defense of others against a LEO unless it is crystal clear THEY are committing a FELONY.
You can not step in because you perceive them as aggressive.
Further if you were not a brain dead left wing nut the laws on this as well as that this is the only rational way for things to be.
Another John Say Gish Gallop.
Death penalty on the street? Shot in the back 10 times?
“Absolutely DO NOT rush into a physical conflict with others.”
He didn’t. He was backing up from ICE officers rushing to cause a physical conflict.
However, I see that Ukraine is slamming the Russian anti-aircraft batteries and I suppose your funding might have to be cut to pay for replacement systems or they will simply send you to the front. Good luck commie.
“Death penalty on the street?”
No police officer anywhere in the country is going to gamble his life on 80:20 odds that the armed person he is dealing with will not shoot him.
Whether you like it or not – officers shoot when there is a possibility that their life is in danger – and the law allows that.
If you do not like that – change the law,
And expect to have far fewer people willing to be police.
You can take this exact same scenario and replace ICE with MPD or FBI or LAPD or NYPD and get exactly the same outcome.
“Shot in the back 10 times?”
Those of you on the left keep saying shot in the back – I have ZERO confirmation of that – though it is not relevant.
What is relevant is what the officers saw and heard.
A single gun shot,
a man reaching behind him where they could not see while resisting arrest,
and someone shouting “gun, gun, gun”.
100 times out of 100 every LEO in the country is going to shoot.
10 shots from 2 officers in less that 2 sec. That is .2s/shot.
That is actually normal.
Shooting someone who has a gun once with a 9mm is likely to result in YOU being dead.
““Absolutely DO NOT rush into a physical conflict with others.”
He didn’t. ”
False – the first officer pushed the woman in white off the street. Pretty rushed over to confron the officer.
Even myriads of left wing nuts admit that and claim he was acting in defense of others.
But you can not do that with a LEO unless it is CRYSTAL CLEAR the LEO has committed a felony.
Not probably, not likely, but beyond any doubt.
The circumstances in which you can make intentional phsyical contact with a LEO without committinng a serious felony are incredibly minimal.
“He was backing up from ICE officers rushing to cause a physical conflict.”
Spinning wheels.
He was being arrested for obstruction, and he was resisting arrest.
Yes, the officers were being physical – arresting people who arrest is PHYSICAL.
Pretti CHOSE to intervene when the officer pushed the woman in white towards the sidewalk after she failed to obey an order to do so.
The moment he put himself between the officer and the woman – he committed a crime.
When he made contact with that officer – he committed assault.
That is when the other officers stopped what they were doing and started moving towards Pretti.
Put an MPD uniform on the officers and the result would be the same.
If you do not like this – change the law.
But that is not going to happen – because the law is this way because nothing else works.
Laws are enforced by FORCE. By men with guns.
When you refuse to obey the law and will not back down Law Enforcement WILL AND MUST ALWAYYS escalate.
Otherwise there is no law. A law that is not enforced is not a law.
“However, I see that Ukraine is slamming the Russian anti-aircraft batteries and I suppose your funding might have to be cut to pay for replacement systems or they will simply send you to the front. Good luck commie.”
What kind of idiot are you ?
There is maybe 2% of this country that hopes that Russia defeats Ukraine.
I have made it perfectly clear from Day One that I hope Ukraine defeats Russia.
But that does not change the fact that no US national security interest is at stake.
I would separately note that Trump and now Europe – even France shutting down the “shadow fleet of oil tankers, is doing far more damage to:
Russia, Iran, Venzeualla and Cuba, and China than all the money we have sent.
Iran and Russia and Venezuela need revenue from sanctioned oil to survive.
China and Cuba need oil that they are getting from Iran, Russia and Venezuela to survive.
The Ukraine war turned into a war of attrition within a few months of its start. Ukraine has had more deaths than the US did in WWII.
Russia has had tripple that. Regardless for MOST of the past several years the odds of surviving a war of attrition favored Russia.
But lately the balance MIGHT be shifting.
Russia is down to stockpiles of T62s – that is a 64 year old tank – pre-vietnam. And Russia does not have alot of them.
and most of their stock is in poor condition.
We appear to be approching a point at which Russias massive stock of mothballed armor is nearly exhausted and repairs and new tanks can not keep up with losses.
Russian oil sales are dropping, and that undermines Russias economic ability to continue.
Russian advances have always been incredibly slow, but they have virtually stopped.
Ukraine is getting better at repairing its damaged infrastructure and getting better at damaging Russias.
Iran provides 40% of Russia’s munitions – if the current Iranian regime fails, Russia will not have the munitions to maintain its current operations.
Nothing is certain. Ukraine has ALWAYS been giving better than it got, But Russia has had much larger reserves to draw on.
That MAY be changing.
Regardless it has been clear from Day one, That Russia is a paper tiger.
A country that can not easily defeat Ukraine is incapable of defeating Poland or Germany or almost any single major Europena power and certaintly not NATO.
Regardless this war is NOT a US interest – but it is a european one,
and though we are doing far more than our share of supporting Ukraine.
Another factor tipping the scales is that Europe is contributing significantly more than it was in the past.
As I noted the French are now confiscating the “shadow fleet” That alone will choke Russia.
A major factor in European willingness to put teeth to russian oil sanctions is that US and other Global production is mroe capable today of replacing Russian and Iranian oil. Only Cuba and China are dependent on sanctioned oil.
I am cautiously optomistic that this will end soon.
What has changed since last year ? Russia has “fewer cards”, The US and Ukraine have “more cards”
Alot of that is directly or indirectly tied to Trump.
“Pretti did no – MN law may not require that – most states do.”
To clarify this one point, MN does *not* have an affirmative duty to inform, the only duty is to respond accurately if an LEO asks if you are carrying. The rest of your comments are spot on
Thank you.
The threat was not the phone but the concealed weapon which became visible due to Pretti’s actions, that the agents saw. Were you aware that it takes about 1.5 seconds to draw and shoot? Of course not because that is not part of your agenda. Live in the real world and find out how the real world works.
Of course! All ICE agents are illegal Aliens. They picked the least qualified human beings on earth because they wanted them to shoot innocent Americans.
ICE has killed 2 people while conducting 1M arrests.
Other Law Enforcement conducted 7M arrests last years and killed approximately 400 people.
I think ICE is doing far better than other Law Enforcement
Ano
legally possessed
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Wrong. They already proved he failed to bring his permit.
Ashli Babbitt was shot while crawling through a broken window into the House Chamber while those in the background were chanting for Mike Pence to be hung.
Alex Pretti was standing still, one hand holding a cell phone (yea cell phone, no mistaking that no matter what MAGA idiots say), and his other hand in the air blocking a chemical spray, Standing still, not moving, he was shoved to the ground, his gun taken from his back waistband holster then he was shot while on the ground, with 10 rounds of amunition.
Yea, comparing apples and space aliens much?
Ashli Babbitt was shot, not because she had committed a capital crime but because she threatened a capital crime.
Alex Pretti was shot, not because he had committed a capital crime but because he threatened a capital crime.
“Ashli Babbitt was shot while crawling through a broken window into the House Chamber ”
Correct, a crime, but a monor one that does not justifiy the use of deadly force.
Babbit was not arrmed and not threatening anyone.
There was no one by ofc. Byrd in the speakers lobby.
“while those in the background were chanting for Mike Pence to be hung.”
Not true and not relevant. occasional rhetorical chanting half a mile away by others is not relevant.
The fact is Ashli was NOT an immediate threat of death or serious harm to anyone.
I would further note that she and the drowd she was part of FOLLOWED the instructions of the CP.
The 3 officers on her side of the door told her and the crowd to STOP while the speakers lobby was cleared.
They DID. When the lobby was cleared the officers moved away from the door, alshi crawled through the window and was murdered.
“Alex Pretti was standing still, one hand holding a cell phone”
Prior to making a threat of himself – correct.
But he CHOSE to intervene as a LEO tried to clear the streets.
He refused lawful orders.
He resisted those orders with FORCE,
And when threatened with arrest – he resisted that.
” (yea cell phone, no mistaking that no matter what MAGA idiots say),”
Correct – the phone was in ONE hand – and just like Officer Ross was able to shoot Rene Good with a cell phone in his hand,
Pretti was reaching behind his back with his OTHER hand likely for his gun, which another officer unknown to Pretti OR the two officers in front of him had just rremoved. but it does not matter what pretti reached for, it does not matter whether the gun was their own not.
What matters is that reaching where officers can not see while resisting arrest is a threat of death or serious bodily harm.
Officers do NOT have to be right about wheher you are going for a weapon.
It just has to be plausible.
Any officer who waits to see the gun before getting his own weapon is DEAD.
“his other hand in the air blocking a chemical spray,”
Several seconds before.
He would not have been sprayed had he followed the orders he was given.
If you do not like the orders of a LEO – go to court after the fact.
You do NOT get to have a debate with a llaw enfoorcemnt officer while they are doing their job in an environnment YOU are your ilk have made very dangerous.
You have two choices:
Listen
LEave.
Intervening – is NOT a valid choice.
it is one that can get you dead.
” Standing still, not moving,”
Pretti was prettymuch never “just standing still”
he was intervening where he did not belong
that is obstruction.
“he was shoved to the ground,”
Correct – he was resisting arrest,
he was ordered to the ground and when he did not instantly comply he was forced.
And he continued to phscially resist.
“his gun taken from his back waistband holster”
Pretty sure there was no holster.
ONE officer secured the gun, it is NOT evidence that pretti or the other officers knew that.
Nor does it matter. Pretti continued to resist and went for his weapon, and the officers had no way of knowning he did not have more weaponss.
I would further note at this time, ONE shot was fired. It appears to have been an accidental discharge from Pretti’s cheap and dangerous weapon.
But whatmatters is that everyone hear a shot – at that instant deadly force was justified (and that iss the 3rd separate justification).
“then he was shot while on the ground, with 10 rounds of amunition.”
While trying to get up – i.e. resisting arrest.
“Yea, comparing apples and space aliens much?”
Correct – the fact that you think tthat the shooting of Babbit is justifies is proof you are a moron.
And that the shooting of Pretti was not even more so.
Your dislike for What Alishi was doing and your support for what Pretti was doing changed nothing.
What matters is the FACTS at the moment.
Babbit was not a threat.
Pretti clearly was.
It does not matter if you think Alishi was up to no good.
What matters is whether whe posed a threat at the moment she was shot – she did not.
It does not matter if you think Pretti was acting for the angels
What matters is that he posed a threat – multiple trheats at the moment he was shot.
“Little Ashli Babbitt” had violated the law by breaking into the Capitol Building. She was trying to access the Speaker’s Lobby–the last barrier to the floor of the House. She was among a crowd that had been chanting “hang Mike Pence”. At minimum, they intended to prevent the acceptance of Joe Biden’s victory because they believed the lie about Trump’s vainglorious “landslide victory” being stolen by fraud. If they had gotten to Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi, they might have murdered them–they certainly intended to do so. Officer Byrd had no way of knowing whether Babbitt did or did not have a weapon, but he was duty-bound to protect members of Congress. Babbitt chose to proceed through an illegally-broken window, which left Officer Byrd with no choice other than to shoot her. If he hadn’t, and others followed, all of them would have needed to be shot. Officer Byrd couldn’t have stopped them alone, and absolutely could not have stood by and allowed them to proceed.
Pretti was neither “aggressive or dangerous”. He did not commit any felonies when he was murdered — he was trying to help up a woman ICE losers had shoved to the ground, and was there protesting the murder of Renee Good and ICE occupation of Minneapolis. The last words Pretti spoke were “are you all right?” And, the prior incident involving a taillight was NOT a felony–much less an aggravated one–it was, at best, misdemeanor vandalism, based on Pretti’s righteous anger over Good’s murder. Pretti did NOT have any criminal history–unlike some of the ICE losers on the federal payroll who have not been properly vetted. It is undisputed that he was NOT arrested–so why mention the taillight incident at all? It’s all the liars on MAGA media have to defend an aggravated murder by out of control ICE losers. But, the good news is that the lies aren’t working–the majority of Americans oppose Trump, ICE and the outrageous tactics they have employed. We are taking to the streets in record numbers. Trump, MAGA and ICE are losing.
Little Mikey Byrd, “Chicken Man,” was so terrified of a 5’2″, 115 lb., unarmed female who was merely actively trespassing that he had to shoot her in the neck, causing her to die instantly. What a manly man!
Nurse Ratched is at the hands of actor Jack Nicholson aka Randle McMurphy.
Nurse Diesel almost gets caught by Dr. Richard H. Thorndyke in the very act.
Get a movie theater.
Well if your whole.party is insane trouble making losers and violent rioters you won’t ever have any heroes so will always have to manufacturer your heroes with lies.
The media report arrests as though this were a game where the media plays referee. Law enforcement necessarily evaluates each arrest with regard to the safety of the arresting officer. Under media rules, the arrestee is free to violate the law by resisting arrest, fighting with the arresting officer, and even carrying a weapon as an implicit threat. Law enforcement, however, is required not only to obey the law, but also to respect the media’s rules. This is an argument that can be won or lost in the court of public opinion, but an actual court of law will/should insist that the arrestee, first of all, must obey the law.
Anyone who chooses to carry a loaded pistol into a physical struggle with a policeman is unlikely to enjoy the results of his poor judgment.
Pretti wasted his life as a martyr for criminal illegal aliens.
He placed their interests above those of his family,. friends, coworkers and those who depended on him.
Pretti is not a hero, he is not a domestic terrorist.
He is a fool that wasted his life stupidly on people who do not deserve it and do not appreciate it.
And failed those actually close to him.
This is typical of the left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9lK_RInD6M
Sunshine, go away today
I don’t feel much like dancing
Some man’s gone, he’s tried to run my life
He don’t know what he’s asking
…
And he can’t even run his own life
I’ll be damned if he’ll run mine, sunshine
…
Before you – like Alex Pretti try to solve the far away problems of a world you do not understand,
Get your own life in order.
. John Say, CBS did a phone interview with the sought after Huerta-Chuma. Mr. Chuma said he was hiding inside of a business, watched the fight between Pretti and agents. The proprietor had let him in and locked the door.
Mr. Chuma did not surrender to agents as the fight transpired and by surrendering might have saved Pretti or altered the course of events. Mr. Chuma thought Pretti was a good man and killed wrongfully.
Mr. Chuma has not surrendered to date. He remains in hiding.
John Say , what do you think of Mr. Chuma’s interview and conduct?
My rep[ly got eaten.
Short version – I expect Chuma to try to remain in the greatest country in the world.
He went to a great deal of trouble to get here.
He clearly wanted to be here.
Aside from those who commit serious crimes I do not judge illegal aliens.
The fact that they want something that our law denies them a right to, does not make them bad people.
But it does means they get deported if caught.
. I’m trying to grasp your thought that Chuma’s efforts and personal desire pass muster regardless of his willingness to break what he knows to be the law. The important portion is in being caught or not. His efforts include watching a man shot and die without conscience to surrender either before or after the death. I admit that’s quite an effort.
The public, the shop owner isn’t responsible for nonreporting of what has become a fugitive from justice? I think that’s true.
Thank you
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“I’m trying to grasp your thought that Chuma’s efforts and personal desire pass muster regardless of his willingness to break what he knows to be the law.”
With a few exceptions immigration law is CIVIL law, it is like parking tickets or traffic violations.
This is actually EXTREMELY important.
Illegal aliens are entitled to VERY LITTLE due process because they are not being prosecuted for violating criminal law.
Some are criminals, and they are being deported for being criminals. But they are not being prosecuted for Crimes, they are not facing loss of life, freedom or property. They are not facing a loss of anything that is theirs by RIGHT.
And that is why they are not entitled to much due process.
If you elevate Chuma’s conduct from the equivalent of a rolling stop at a stop sign, then you increase the due process he is entitled to.
Do you really want to do that ?
If I was born in Venezueala, I might well go to great lengths to enter the US.
I would do so legally if possible, but that is incredibly difficult to do.
So yes, I would likely try to enter illegally.
Lets ignore the human trafficcking and other bad aspects that are MOSTLY recent,
Walking across the US southern border to get into the US, is not significantly more of a violation of the “rule of law” that rolling through a stop sign.
Separately – I want and the US badly needs MORE legal immigration.
The polarization that the LEFT has caused has prevented us from increasing legal immigration.
That is bad for all of us.
Controlled Immigration is a NET good. It is NOT however an absolute good in all possible ways.
Even what we had under Biden was likely a NET good, but there were LOTS of VERY bad effects to go with the good ones.
Next – MANY things are accidents of birth.
The left fixates on white privildge claiming correctly that it is “unearned” – and that is true.
We are NOT all equal. I badly wish I was good at making music. I am not. My son is gifted and does not understand, what is impossible for me is easy for him.
Myriads of things about each of use are curses or priviledges – accidents of our birth.
That is life, and there is no remedy and trying to do so only makes things worse.
I was born male, white, and in the US, with intelligence and good health.
I did nothing to earn that.
But all those things are facts of life, I can not claim to have earned or deserve them, but they are MINE by right none-the-less
They are the choices of nature and we have no magical power to change them.
“The important portion is in being caught or not.”
No, he is just morally allowed to try to stay in the US so long as he does not do more than break civil laws to do so.
I would furhter note that even if he breaks criminal laws – I do not expet him to turn himself in, any more than I expect drug dealers to.
“His efforts include watching a man shot and die without conscience to surrender either before or after the death. I admit that’s quite an effort.”
But it is not. There are very very very very rare instances in which any person is LEGALLY obligated to take action.
This is the difference between positive and negative morality.
Negative morality “thou shalt not” is MOSTLY the legitimate domain of govenrment, and we are all absolutely obligated to adhere to a very small set of negative moral rules – that is the rule of law.
Positive morality is “do unto others” that is absolutely NOT the domain fo govenrment. It is the domain of religion or individual conscience. you CAN NOT force positive morality. Doing so is itself immoral.
No Chuma did not have any obligation to act.
“The public, the shop owner isn’t responsible for nonreporting of what has become a fugitive from justice?”
Presuming we are specifically refering to illegal immigration – not other crimes – then NO – there is no legal and arguably not even a positive moral obligation for anyone to report Chuma.
. Is there something in the law about multiple misdeanors collectively becoming a felony? There is a class of illegally present (civil) that becomes a national security concern. Have you been in school districts that cannot, by choice, salute the US flag because they’re allegiance is to a foreign nation by citizenship? You know that because you’re knowledgeable. It’s a fact with or without morals. Most nations recognize killing a person or watching such requires a report of some kind and most nations recognize trespass as a serious crime and some religions do as well as moral or immoral. I was just thinking about ordinary conduct of ordinary people.
People in great numbers with foreign allegiances is a good? There was a news report, interviews of foreign persons in the UK. When asked about being British they said they are British. When asked about British cultural traditions and customs they said the British didn’t have that because it’s multi- cultural. There wasn’t a British culture. I suppose that’s true of the United States. There isn’t an American culture , its multi cultural and no citizenship required or multiple citizenships as an oxymoron.
Probably the reason the Constitution doesn’t really pull weight anymore.
Thank you for fleshing it out somewhat. Personally, I truly miss the United States.
My answer – which you seem to be troubled by, is based on the pinacle of law and philosophy that resulted in the American revolution and the united states.
You can start with moses and Hamurabi and go through Plato, and Aristotle into Aquinas, and later the scottish enlightenment, Hume, Locke, and ultimately our founders – but even after that through Kant and Kierkegard.
If you toss out the idiotic socialist strain of modern philosopy that starts with Rouseaus – oddly Thomas Paine jumps from Locke to Rouseau in the middle of his opus “The rights of man”, and later marx, hegal, and droves of modern idiots.
The core distinction between the socialist strand of philosophy and the western enlightenment and post enlightenment strain is the failure to appreciate the nature of man, and to appreciate what free will actually means.
Regardless, I do not make judgements based on my feelings on specific issues – emotional appeals.
When I identify as libertarian – that is not just political or economic, it is philosophical, and legal.
I only rarely argue about constitutionality or even lawfulness.
The constitution and our law are a PRODUCT of an all embracing system that is most often identified with the scottish enlightment that created this country, but that did not stop developing in 1776.
The constitution works because it is well aligned with a philosopical reality fo who man is and what works that most other systems do not.
We have arrived where we are based on lots of trial and error AND the perceptive abilities of th greatest minds of history.
What is identified with the West – with the US is an imperfect system that continues to evolve that has proven superior to everything else.
But it is important to understand that imperfect is NOT deeply flawed, nor is it easily improved.
We are constantly improving it, but that is a very difficult process.
And that is one of the major errors of the left, the beleif that we can make changes wily nily
and not with near certainty make things worse rather than better.
. Ok, I’m guessing Mr. Huerta-Chuma is not a national security threat. I’m reading into your reply knowing i shouldn’t.
Thanks
I am not aware of a reason that Chuma is a National security threat.
But if he were that would NOT change the moral constraints on HIM.
. John Say, perhaps you’re right but millions of people with foreign nation allegiance is a national security risk.
Socialism began and expanded in the US with social welfare. It’s not Marxism they speak of. It’s expanded welfare benefits. It’s quite a mess and ever growing larger.
Personal note: I’m deeply concerned that any person would or could watch a person die and then continue as a fugitive. The two deaths are disturbing.
Thank you
Ano
If both of these folks had followed the law and what the ICE officers told them to do.
They would be alive. Both failed that part.
Never let your emotions dick-take your actions.
Alex Pretti acted like a Leftist jihadi. Ready to kill or die for the cause.
Until more recently the norm for government and law enforcement was to beg people to wait for the results of an investigation.
That approach has resulted in growing threats of mob violence and gutless left wing nut mayors and police cheifs sacrifing officers to the mob as they did with Chauvin and EVERY officer int he car with him.
Since then police unions and the officers themselves have rused to get body cam footage out.
ICE agents are not carrying cellphones because they want to work one handed. They are doing so because absent the cell footage from Officer Ross, he might have been sacrificed like Chauvin.
Those in Govenrment who back the blue are rushing out with essentially the rumors they received through thee ranks and making claims that later are not supported by the facts.
But increasingly this is necescary – because by the time we have learned the truth about people like Pretti – the damage has been done.
Even here Turley repeats the Propoganda about “nurse pretti” – and that propganda MAY be true.
But on the day Pretti was shot – as well as the day he was attacking ICE before as well as the many other days we have no video of,
Pretti was not a “care nurse” – he might not have been a “domestic terrorist” – but he most certainly was violent and out of control.
He was not reporting on and documenting ICE, he was actively looking for trouble.
“Until more recently the norm for government and law enforcement was to beg people to wait for the results of an investigation.”
Until recently events did not unfold in front of hundreds of cell-phone carrying, video-recording witnesses. The government and law enforcement had a far easier time to fabricate evidence, bully witnesses, extort false confessions.
Now their job is much more difficult when the plainly visible events seen from multiple directions show that the goons provoked the situation in a way that any road rager would have been taken to jail directly from the scene.
I hear it is cold in Moscow.
“Until recently events did not unfold in front of hundreds of cell-phone carrying, video-recording witnesses. The government and law enforcement had a far easier time to fabricate evidence, bully witnesses, extort false confessions.”‘
Correct – but the converse is also true.
There are now atleast half a dozen Pretti videos – and likely more to come.
Each one tells a SLIGHTLY different story -a PART of the whole, not the whole thing.
There are MANY things that are known now that were NOT know the day of – either from additional videos or very careful analysis of the existing videos.
Several FACTS that were not initially obvious.
1). Pretti was reaching for his gun – or atleast behind his back where they gun was a second before.
2). Pretti was not only resisting arrest he was trying to stand up when shot.
3). ONE officer successfully removed Pretti’s gun prior to the shooting. Pretti did not know that, nor is it likely the other 3 officers did.
4). There was a single shot more than a second before the officers fired at Pretti.
It is likely that was a misfire from Pretti’s junk gun, but that is not yet certain – though it is absolutely certain ICE knows if Pretti’s gun fired.
5). Someone shouted “Gun Gun Gun” all the officers backed away from Pretti two drew weapons and fired.
There are many many other things that were not known day of.
Some matter a great deal. Othere paint Pretti in a bad light, but as they were not known to the officers are not relevant to whether the shooting was justified.
“Now their job is much more difficult when the plainly visible events seen from multiple directions show that the goons provoked the situation in a way that any road rager would have been taken to jail directly from the scene.”
Your false spin of the video is precisely why everyone should go back to WAITING for all the evidence.
Your first major problem is the lunatic belief that because you do not like out immigration law, and you do not like ICE’s enforcement of those that somehowalters all law regarding law enfoorcement, andd what officers can legally do.
First GOVERNMENT IS FORCE, often the actions of law enforcement appear agressive – even escalatory.
Because that LITERALLY is the social contract.
The rule of law is not enforced by persuasion, it is enforrced by the use of FORCE in justified violation of peoples RIGHTS.
When ANYONE is taken into custody there right to freedom is being violated by FORCE
So whether you like it or not all the actions of law enforcement constitute FORCE.
No ordinary people are only rarely able to do what Law Enforcment does without it being a crime.
Arresting someone is called kidnapping – when it is not a LEO.
Next there is an almost day and night difference between J6 and this.
J6 was a protest first and foremost. The CP were obligated to keep the peace without interfering with an otherwise legitimate protest.
They had no other law enforcement objective than keeping the protest peaceful.
ICE is engaged in making arrests and when protestors are following ICE arround the law enforcement objective of making an arrest trumps the protest. ICE can do MORE than “keep the peace” The safety of the public with respect to the arrest itself, the safety of the officers, and the safety of the person being arrested take priority over the first amendment rights of protestors.
ICE can not use the arrest as a justification for shutting down the protest, but they CAN constrain the protest to ensure the safety of the arrest.
They can tell protestors to stand back, to get off the streets, to stay away from the officers making the arrest, to provide a clear area for the arrest.
Even at a pure protest like J6 protestors are OBLIGATED to obey the orders of law enforcement.
Any debate over the lawfulness of those orders takes place AFTERWARDS in court – not on the street.
On the street officers give you command, and you obey. PERIOD.
If you beleive the instructions are unlawful – you must obey, and you get to take it to court LATER.
Not only are these the rules, they are OBVIOUSLY what the rules must be as the alternative is anarchy.
An anarchy violates EVERYONEs rights.
I would further note you left wing nuts keep attacking ICE officers – both physically and verbally.
You talk about problems with law enforcement – and we have definitely had problems in the past,
But whether you like it or not law enforcement is an ABSOLUTE NECESCITY for a functioning society.
Even in tribes, those who did not conform to the rules were subject to some form of discipline by the tribe.
Enforcement of the rules is present in ALL societies. It is not optional.
There is a giant gulf between expecting law enforceemnt to do their jobs with a minimum of error, and corruption, and lawlessness.
You idiots on the left aree not only attacking people who are arresting murders and rapists.
You are idiotically attacking, engaging in name calling slandering and maligning people who are doing their job – enforcingg the law.
If you do not like the law – take it up with congress.
You rant about ICE as Goons, but your evidence is they are enforcing laws you do not like.
You are not in minneapolis protesting because they are corrupt, or lawless, because they are taking bribes, or publicly beeting the crap out of people like Rodney king.
You are protesting because you do not want the law enforced.
You are perfectly free to want the law to be different, and to protest the law.
You are perfectly free to want STUPID and unlikely outcomes.
But you lost the moral high ground by protesting the wrong people in the wrong place.
If you want the moral high ground – though even there you must contend with the fact that the majority of people want all illegals removed and super majorities want all criminal illegals removed.
Regardless go to congress and change the law.
It is YOU that looks like goons and thugs when your goal is to make Law Enforcement life more difficult int he hope that an officer does something stupid.
It is YOU that are lawless.
John
After the shooting, the mob took over that area. Where ever proof of the crime is now lost.
John Say-so many people refer to Mr. Pretti being a nurse like it is some pathway to sainthood. Well it is not. Most nurses verge on being saints, I agree but not all and some can be quite despicable just like anybody else. I have met some thru many years of practice that I would never allow to come near a patient of mine.
Also remember that Che Guevara was a Doctor of Medicine yet was one of the bloodiest revolutionaries and was Castro’s killer not just in Cuba but in multiple places in South America.
Your profession does not provide you with an automatic highway to heaven or wherever your Nirvana is.
With few exceptions the people in ANY job or prefession are much the same as the people in every other job and profession.
There are good ones and bad ones.
I would further note – Alex Pretti might well have been a saintly nurse,
but his participation in these protests was disgusting.
The prior video of his conduct is not relevant to whether his shooting was justified.
Butt it is absolutely relevant to measuing him as a human being.
People who spit on others, kick cars and damage them and provoke fights with law enforcement are NOT good people,
Alex Pretti may or may not have been a saintly nurse – though I doubt iit, people tend not to be different in their job than in their life.
But what we see of him in these protests is disgusting.
While he did NOT deserve to die.
The ICE officers should not have had to deal with such a obnoxious and difficult and violent person.
This outcome was inevitable
What video coverage I could review looks as though there are 4 agents trying to wrangle Pretti while he resists. Pretti looks to be what 6’2” or so, maybe 180lb+ and physical fit, the 4 agent’s maybe 170lb+ max, my question why 4 agents could not contain this individual? Conclusion: recommended types of constraints of an individual by the agency, has limited the officers to types of force allowed. Since Floyd, neck restraint has been eliminated though it was effective to obtain acquiescence. That being said there is only one individual responsible for his death and that is Mr. Pretti himself. During his resistance he was flailing about until much confusion ensued, causing the dire end.
Were 10 shots in the back clearly allowed force? How about slamming him in the face with a can of pepper spray? It did not appear that the guy bashing his face in was taking any notice of what the others were doing. Just enjoying the damage he was doing.
Turns out, bananas and rice folk hero also has a flaw:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15519873/nasra-ahmed-somali-egg-spit-ice-agents-face.html
Dear Prof Turley,
Yes. It is a tragedy. If only people would stop picking on ICE, DHS and Trump, the world would be a much better place.. . compliance is not an option.
I’m reminding of the story of David and Goliath. .. if not the U.S. Constitution.
*in any case, doubt any jury in the country could/would find a legal justification (immunity) for the killing of Pretti (or Renee Good). .. which is why it will never go before a jury in a court of law.
Now you are a Lawyer? Two videos show Pretti was out of control. He fought with the officers instead of staying away and filming.
The BBC video is clear a shows this guy wanted to fight.
His death rest on him.
Since Turley discussed the French Revolution, what about the American Revolution and Declaration of Independence?
During the American Revolution, King George III (possibly Trump’s role model) was violating English law. The monarch wasn’t following the supreme law of his own country, then legally abusing the American colonists.
King George III was violating English law, the English Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta (year 1215) – not a law abiding monarch but a lawless monarch.
The American Founding Fathers clearly describe these abuses in the Declaration of Independence which Americans (including MAGA voters) celebrate every 4th of July.
In 1791, America ratified the first 10 amendments of the U.S. Constitution (Bill of Rights) to outlaw and counter the lawlessness of King George III (possibly Trump’s role model).
If the USA simply gets back to basics, it would have prevented the vast majority of ICE’s lawlessness across the United States. We have all the laws we need to defeat tyranny, Congress and the courts simply need to take their power back!
What laws is he violating
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/tensions-mount-over-compliance-with-judges-orders-in-immigration-crackdown-f2f356c1?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqemiV6RoTrT-HceElV-ekFPoQUErYYOqaefHPOmiz1bOb-mBtMuCtrBSInn4QU%3D&gaa_ts=6980f14c&gaa_sig=Pl1XLKqXtOXIdkVuSwHJfwy_rHNRhZI2nS77y_lhycDUtluWsVHaXJapJzUfxjUbwC1-H8YN_ry2XquHbrBiJQ%3D%3D
“This list should give pause to anyone—no matter his or her political beliefs—who cares about the rule of law,” Schiltz, an appointee of President George W. Bush, said in a written order. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, he said, “has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.”
I urge people to read the play “Danton’s Death” about a French Revolutionary Leader who develops misgivings of the actions and direction of the revolution, that eventually claims his life. It was written in 1835 by George Buchner. A fascinating look on how political rage can eventually be uncontrollable and hard to harness.
Trump is not violating the law, he is enforcing the law.
If you do not like that – change the law.
We have had myriads of stupid legal decisions by idiotic left wing nut judges.
All that did not require a time machine to comply with have been obeyed – until they were overturned on appeal.
Pretty close to universally it is the lawless left and their lawless judges that are the tyrants.
You claim to want democracy – the US is not a democracy, itt is a constitutional republic.
But if it were a democracy near universally polls show 80-90% of americans want criminal illegal aliens deported.
approx 55-65% want ALL illegal aliens removed. With minor variations that has been true since before the election.
Regardless the election is over – the people have spoken.
Those of you on the left, lost and now it is YOU that is behaving “antidemocratically”
It is you that are behaving lawlessly.
Enforcing the law by violating court orders at a historic rate?
“This list should give pause to anyone—no matter his or her political beliefs—who cares about the rule of law,” Schiltz, an appointee of President George W. Bush, said in a written order. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, he said, “has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.”
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/tensions-mount-over-compliance-with-judges-orders-in-immigration-crackdown-f2f356c1?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqemiV6RoTrT-HceElV-ekFPoQUErYYOqaefHPOmiz1bOb-mBtMuCtrBSInn4QU%3D&gaa_ts=6980f14c&gaa_sig=Pl1XLKqXtOXIdkVuSwHJfwy_rHNRhZI2nS77y_lhycDUtluWsVHaXJapJzUfxjUbwC1-H8YN_ry2XquHbrBiJQ%3D%3D
Have you not been watching the SC rulings. These judicial orders by partisan activist judges have no merit. A District judge does not rewrite federal law for the entirety of the nation.
Sorry, I must have missed the specific, apparently lightning-quick Supreme Court case addressing the recent string of ICE noncompliance with MN district court judge orders. Can you please provide that citation?
Or do you just think that all Supreme Court cases are the same and are not tied to specific issues?
Pretty sure there was a recent ruling that hamstrung these district court judges in regard to implementation of established federal laws. I would believe that it did specifically speak to the authority of a district court judge in regard to nation wide uniform authority. As an example, how can a district judge rule what a law enforcement means and methods are when nationally they have been used and deemed unconstitutional? That would give every district court judge the authority to impose what THEY believe acceptable in their unique jurisdiction. Doesn’t or shouldn’t work like that, federal laws as in nationwide as in the same throughput, uniform code of justice.
I am not a lawyer but stayrd at Holiday Inn last week and follow what is going on, and am pretty sured I saw these activist judges get reined in.
Constitutional not unconstitutional
Freaking spell check mind of its own.
No, this is not accurate. The Supreme Court limited a district court judge’s ability to issue nationwide injunctions, which is not even remotely the same thing.
There have been myriads of shadow docket decisions, nearly all of these have been on TRO’s or PI’s
These are orders of the court in a case BEFORE there has been a fully hearing on the merits.
Nearly universally SCOTUS has told the lower courts they have overstepped.
Nationwide injunctions is just one of MANY reversals of lower courts that SCOTUS has done in the past year.
Other major decisons on TRO’s and PIs and the left wing lawfare have been on
Venue shopping – for illegal immigration in 99% of cases the jurisdiction is in the federal court where the illegal immigrant was detained at the time the lawsuit was filed. That is pretty close to always TX but rarely FL,
and almost never anywhere else.
When you hear of an immigration case outside of TX or FL – the judge probably does not have jurisdiction.
But the location is just ONE of the jurisdiction issues.
SCOTUS has properly told courts, The APA does not apply when there is another remedy – because the APA says that it does nto apply when there is another remedy.
That has denied jurisdiction in both immigration and other cases.
SCoTUS has also said again restating centuries of law, that you can not issue a TRO or PI on an issue of Equity – i.e. an issue where no matter how the cases is decided the result will be money changing hands.
What is really really disturbing about most of these scotus emergency appeal shadow docket decisions is that the supreme court did NOT issue some NEW ruling. They merely ruled following well established constitutional, statutory and case law.
These cases were no brauners and dead bang losers from the start.
They are symptoms of the left wing nut take over of law schools and idiots trying to re-argue basic legal principles that are often thousands of years old.
This is a near universal trait of the left:
Throw everything out and start all over making it up as we go.
it is the opposite of the rule of law.
and it is why you are losing again and again with SCOTUS and losing EASILY
Thank you John for the clarification of what I was trying to express!
The giant issue in the immigration is Jurisdiction.
The supreme court specifically, and the lower article III courts gennerally,
have jurisdiction over all constitutional claims.
The constitution does permit congress to place all kins of constraints on all article III courts EXCEPT the supreme court.
Only the supreme court is a creation of the constitution. All other courts are creations of law.
Congress has given jurisdiction over immigration claims to Article II immigration courts – NOT Article III courts.
Therefore Article III courts only have jurisdiction in immigration matters on constitutional grounds, or Habeus grounds,
and habeaus is limited to the physical jurisdiction in which the person is detained – in most cases that is TX or FL.
So if you see an article III immigration case outside of TX or FL you can be 90% certain the judge has no jurisdiction
I would separately note that there is really no way for an illegal immigrant to avoid deportation.
The only question is how long and drawn out the process will be – not what the final result will be.
Biden granted temporary protected status by Exceutive order.
As such it is not a right, and it is not US law or constitution.
Trump had to dot I’s and cross Ts to get rid of TPS, but he was perfectly legally free to do so.
There is an actual asylum process , but it is near impossible to qualify by laws that congress passed.
about 20-30000 people a year qualify for asylum.
You can only ask for asylum at a US port of entry or a US consulate or embassy.
Once you have entered the country illegally – you can not claim assylum.
Or more accuately – you can but will be summarily denied.
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I need to Google or grok the number of districts.
. It’s known as lawlessness, eightball.
There isn’t a way to make the lawless lawful except by saying what is wrong is right. It’s a slow infringement until a new normative is achieved and a plateau. Then again the infringement as it sinks.
Many people stop consuming and having children under such conditions. They withdraw perhaps knowing the tyranny of crime is coming? Perhaps…
ATS
US Federal Law title 8 is US immigration law.
If you are in the US and you are not a citizen, and you do not have a residence permit, or a visa,
you must leave – and you will be removed by FORCE if needed.
That is the LAW.
It is also what the majority of americans want.
It is also what 80-90% of americans want if you are a criminal.
You can rant about “due process” – these people are being sent HOME, not to sing sing.
They are entitled to about as much due process as a parking ticket.
In nearly all these cases the courts do not have jurisdiction, they are issuing orders that are lawless nd unconstitutional
and Trump is following them – until they are stayed or reversed,
If you are being deported – you are entitled to a deportation hearing befoore an INS court – just as if you are denied Social Security diability you are entitled to a hearing before a SS court, or if you failed to pay your taxes you will get a hearing before a tax court.
These are all article II not article IIl courts.
The Article II courts – the judicial branch has jurisdiction overr the constitution, And whatever additional jurisdiction that Congress grants them. Article III courts have only contitutional jurisdiction over immigration.
The constitutionality of immigration law was determined long long ago.
That leaves article III courts ONLY with Habeuas jurisdiction.
Esentially that means a detainee can claim they are being illegally detained. Habeus is ancient.
Regardless the burden of proof in a habeus case is on the person being detained.
Jurisdiction is limited to the place they are being detained.
Nearly all large ICE/CBP detention centers are in TX and FL and have been for decades.
When you hear of an immigration case in any other federal court it is with near certainty being conducted unlawfully.
It is not the Trump administration that is lawless – the law is clear – your in the US illegally you get deported.
It is the courts not following the law.
At a habeus hearing – which usually lasts a few minutes, the core issue is Are you the person for whom the deportation order was issued.
If so – hearing is over and you will be on the next flight out of the country.
The due process for deportation is limited. illegal immigrants are not going to alcatraz, they are going home.
Further illegal immigrants are being DETAINED – not incarcerated.
They are “free to go” at any time. They can forgo further court challenges and get on a plane for home that day.
Those of you on the left with the complicity of a tiny number of courts and judges are trying to game the system -= make the process take forever. But that is not the law.
The lawlessness is not on Trump’s part – it is on courts that have no jurisdiction issuing orders that are lawless,
And this is occuring without consequence.
49.8% for Trump 49.4% against Trump. The people barely whispered.
It was lawful to exterminate Jews.
If the best argument is that something is lawful, then that is an argument for the most awful things.
Many understand the difference.
The Nazi’s deprived the jews of their rights – their right to property, their right to freedom, their right to life.
ICE/CBP/Trump are not taking any rights from anyone.
Every single country on the planet has determined who has the right to be in that country.
The US has some of the broadest rights to citizenship, and residence of anywhere in the world.
We also have the largest number of legal immigrants, and the largest percent of legal immigrants and the most diverse population in the world.
However Racist the US is it is unarguably the least racist in the world.
In Japan you can not become a japanese citizen if you are Korean – despite the fact that the Japanese and Koreans are the same race.
Regardless, if you were not born in the US, you are not a naturalized citizen or a legal resident or an unexpired visa holder, you do not have he right to be here.
As ICE arrests illegal immigrants it does not take from them anything that is theirs by right.
It does not take their freedom – anyone detained by ICE can leave detention at anytime by agreeing to go home.
They are being detained only because they refuse to leave a place they have no right to be.
Nor are immigrants having their lives or property taken.
So how is it that ICE/CBP are like the Nazi’s ?
Yes, ICE is enforcing the law.
Yes, the Nazi’s enforced the laws.
But the Nazi’s enforcing the law took from people their property, their freedom and their lives.
ICE/CBP sends people home.
Trump is enforcing immigration law and I am sure his DOJ lawyers have made comparisons of the Anti-ICE demonstrations to the Whiskey Rebellion
“. . . King George III (possibly Trump’s role model) was violating English law.”
From 1763-1775, the British *Parliament* passed a number of laws (e.g., the “Intolerable/Coercive Acts”) that King George faithfully executed.
The rest of your screed is equally accurate.
Still waiting for an answer to the question: were the 9mm cartridges loaded into the Sig Sauer high capacity magazines “regular” rounds or “hollow-point” rounds? The answer could cast additional light on Pretti’s mindset when he approached the Border Patrol personnel effecting a lawful arrest of an illegal alien. Just sayin’.
“regular” Sub-Sonic FMJ 148 gn
Black Talons
Whether they were subsonic, supersonic, full metal jackets, expanding self defense loads, or any other type of ammunition is entirely irrelevant. Obstructing Federal officers from doing their lawful duty – and detaining illegal aliens is lawful duty – along with resisting arrest, are themselves illegal, and doing so with a loaded pistol on your person is a suicidal. All holders of concealed carry permits have been trained that Pretti’s behavior would go against everything you are taught to follow when armed and in any type of contact with law officers, let alone obstructing and resisting them. The MSM media narrative about this is so twisted into a myth of Pretti’s innocence and good intentions that it is difficult for truth to penetrate that manufactured veil of lies and ignorance of both fact and law that they have created for their political campaign for the Democrat Party and the Left in general. RIP Pretti, an unhinged person and a useful idiot of the worst kind.
Nope–the “Federal officers” were NOT “doing their lawful duty”–they were trying to prevent peaceful protesters from exercising their Constitutional right of protest. Another MAGA media lie. The immediate skirmish that resulted in Pretti’s death began with the ignoramus ICE cowards shoving down a woman wearing an orange backpack. Pretti tried to help her up–he got pepper-sprayed in the face, and then there was a scuffle. The fact is–the ICE losers were NOT “detaining illegal aliens”–neither Pretti or the woman they shoved into a snow drift was an “illegal alien”. Just another purchased Turley attack piece, trying to create some kind of narrative to “counterbalance” the endless lies that came from the Trump administration. Within a couple of hours, pathetic liar ICE Barbie, in heavy makeup and hair extensions, called Pretti a “domestic terrorist”. She lied about him “brandishing” a weapon. The stupid orange liar uttered similar lies. The outcome of the “investigation” was already announced. ICE thugs immediately spirited the losers who murdered Alex Pretti out of state before Minnesota officials could question him. They’ve tried to hide their identities, and are claiming that they are both of Hispanic extraction–there are those who question the veracity of this.
MAGA media’s problem is that we all have eyes and ears. We saw and heard what happened.
You wish to protest immigration law – go to congress.
When you chase Law Enforcement arround – your right to protests is CONSTRAINED by their duty to enforce the law.
You can not obstruct the law by protesting.
Further Law enforcment – that is ANY law enforcement, can issue ORDERS to keep themselves, you and others safe, and to preclude you from interfering with their law enforcement operations.
You can protest, you can blow whistles, and carry signes you can film Law Enforcement.
But you can NOT interfere – that is not protesting.
Further – with the exception of a few things that courts have already decided – such as that you can blow whistles – which I think was a stupid decision, when LAw Enforcement gives you an ORDER – you must comply.
If they say “stand back”, you must stand back. If they say – get off the street – you must get off the street.
Again you are free to protest, but unless an order by Law Enforcement – such as “Go Home” actually limits your first amendment rights you MUST comply.
Even if the order is clearly wrong. You must comply, you fight about bad LEO orders in court later, not in the midst of law enforcement trying to make an arrest.
“they were trying to prevent peaceful protesters from exercising their Constitutional right of protest.”
How so ?
“Stand back” is not an infringement on your right to protest.
“Get off the street” is not an infringement on your right to protest.
“The immediate skirmish that resulted in Pretti’s death began with the ignoramus ICE cowards shoving down a woman wearing an orange backpack.”
Correct – they ordered her off the street to the sidewalk – a legal order that she was obligated to comply with that did NOT restrict her right to protest.
As the courts have repeatedly found SOME neutral restrictions on place, time and manner of protests are allowed
Ordering protestors to get out of the way of law enforcement is a lwaful order that does not violate your fist amendment rights.
I would note this is OBVIOUSLY the case or anyone could prevent any law enforcement from serving any warrant or making an arrest by calling their efforts to obstruct “protest”.
Can mafiosa soldiers thwart the arrest of their don by making it impossible for law enforcement to get to him ?
You left wing nuts are incapable of critical thinking.
” Pretti tried to help her up”
No he want over and shoved the ICE officer.
He was then ordered to the sidewalk and peper sprayed when he refused to follow that order.
“then there was a scuffle”
There is no right to “Scuffle” with police – it is called RESISTING ARREST. It is a crime.
“The fact is–the ICE losers were NOT “detaining illegal aliens””
They were they after a specific illegal who was in a shop directly accross the street and observed the entire thing – and as a result of these “protestors” criminal acts – he escaped – that is called OBSTRUCTION
“neither Pretti or the woman they shoved into a snow drift was an “illegal alien”.”
Correct – they were left wing nut idiots interfering with the arrest of an illegal alien.
Your right to protest ENDS when it interferes with an arrest or any other legitimate law enforcement action.
“called Pretti a “domestic terrorist”.”
It was early to claim that – but left wing nuts were already lying about Pretti,
I do not think Pretti is a domestic terrorist – but that is not a crystal clear call.
Noem was not out of line in claiming that.
“She lied about him “brandishing” a weapon.”
In this instance yes, but he had done so before.
“The outcome of the “investigation” was already announced. ”
No but the results are obvious. The shooting was justified on MULTIPLE basis.
“ICE thugs immediately spirited the losers who murdered Alex Pretti out of state before Minnesota officials could question him.”
MN can not question federal law enforcement – their immune from state prosecution.
Further even if that was not the case – no LEO in the country is going to answer questions hours after a shooting.
It is littlerally a part of nearly all police union contracts, that you can not question officers until EVERYONE else has been questioned,
And typically they require ALL evidence to be shared witht he officer Before questioning.
You may not like it, but it is that way almost everywhere.
“They’ve tried to hide their identities”
Which they may do.
You had all the country wearing masks just a few years ago.
“are claiming that they are both of Hispanic extraction”
So ?
“There are those who question the veracity of this”
“there are those” are not law enforcement.
The FBI investigates shootings involving federal law enforcement.
If you want a truly egregious federal shooting – look at Ruby Ridge, or Waco not Alexi Pretti.
The left has gotten off easy in terms of murder by federal law enforcement.
” We saw and heard what happened.”
You did, and then you ignored the actual law developed over senturies and applied your own stupid nonsense rooted in TDS,
You constantly violate Kants catagorical imperative
“Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.”[
You told us the shooting of Alishi babbit or the beating to death of Rose Boyland were justified,
That the protests on January 6th 2021 were an insureection and criminal.
If that were true – CLEARLY everyone protesting ICE is an insurectionist.
While there are differences between J6 and the MN riots, those differences favor J6ers.
J6ers were protesting at the preeminent government created public forumn on earth – the US capital.
They were protesting to get CONGRESS to act.
They were protesting the right way, at the right place, and the right time and they were seeking a lawful remedy.
They were demanding that congress refuse to certify an election they beleived was lawless and fraudulent.
You may disagree, but the legitimacy of a protest is NOT condictioned on the like or dislike of some people for the claims being made or the remedy being sought.
Conversely in MN – violence was initiated by protestors.
What are protestors after? And end to the deportation of illegal aliens.
You do not legitimatley do that by interfering with or demonizing law enforcement,
you do that as J6ers did by trying to get the legislators to change the law.
MN rioters are protesting the wrong way, at the wrong place, and the wrong time and they were seeking a lawless remedy.
Right now Senate democrats have shutdown the country over ICE enforcement.
I can think they and you are stupid. But they are acting in the proper way to get what they want.
I am not sure what the outcome will be. My GUESS is there will be a deal.
Senate democrats WILL get SOME of their demands, But Senate Republicans will also get some changes.
Atleast a few republicans are countering with requirements that State and local jails and prisons may not release illegal immigrants.
Regardless, I do not know what will happen – but whatever does happen – THAT is the legitimate way to address this.
And those of you on the left who want to see Senate Democrats prevail, should be down at the US capital protesting NOW.
That is protesting the right way, at the right place, and the right time and they were seeking a lawful remedy.
Regardless, there will be a RESULT. Democrats will cave, republicans will cave or there will be a compromise.
Almost no one will be happy with the result.
Guess what ? That is how the rule of law works.
NONE of us are entitled to have government EXACTLY as we desire.
The rule of law means we all agree to abide by the laws we have, until we can change them.
Trying to FORCE law enforcement to NOT enforce the law, whether that is immigration law, or organized crime law, is lawlessness.
The left is lawless.
Hey doofus, we all watched the video of them interfering with an enforcement action. They prodded the Bull, he got the horn.
” the 9mm cartridges loaded into the Sig Sauer”
Hollow points are the most effective reasonably priced ammo for self defense, which is the usual reason to carry a handgun. Those rounds also help to avoid over-penetration that could threaten the safety of persons other than the attacker being defended against. So, that is just as irrelevant as his carry of extra magazines. Carrying a firearm for self-defense needs to be done in the most effective manner feasible; the results of using the carried firearm are intended to be lethal, that is what stops the threat. The focus should be on Pretti’s stupidity in imposing himself into a very risky situation, and on his aberrant conduct afterwards, not on aspects of his weapons carry that he likely shares with many others legitimately exercising their Second Amendment rights.