Is “Break” A Racist Term?

I was curious recently about a statement by Ed Schultz, host of MSNBC’s the Ed Show, that Sen. Jim Demint, R-S.C., used racist langauge in his opposition to Obamacare when he said “If we are able to stop Obama on this [health care law], it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.” There are ample reasons to criticize this statements — not the least of which is the notion that we will destroy health care simply to gain a political advantage. However, is “break him” a racist term?

Schultz also accused Herman of pandering to “white Republicans out there who don’t like black folks.” I am not sure how that tracks either.

However, I was most intrigued by the support given to Schultz for his view that “break him” is racist. Dr. James Peterson, director of Africana studies at Lehigh University, agreed that “break” is a racist verb, “a term that was used to destroy, mentally and physically, slaves.” He insists that the Demint comment is proof of “how dark some of these racial discourses can be in presidential politics.”

I may disagree with Demint about many, if not most, things. However, I do not believe that his comment was racist or that “break him” is a racist term — anymore than denouncing “dark” politics. I do not question Professor Peterson’s account of how slaves were often “broken.” However, the term “break” someone goes back to Roman times if not before. A broken man is a common expression in literature and common language.

I also do not believe that Cain is pandering to white people by running against Obama and advancing many of the same positions as his Republican colleagues. There is no doubt that there is racism in this country and in this election. However, it does not advance the effort to combat racism by manufacturing controversies. We have plenty of real racists and racist comments around.

Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson, however, insists that Cain and others need to address “post-intentional racism” – racism that people don’t intend to have or to act upon. I am not sure how one defines “post-intentional racism” (which sounds like unintentional racism), but I am pretty sure that the verb break is not a racist term. Moreover, I am not sure how much of a burden Cain should have beyond other candidates in fighting “post-intentional” comments.

What do you think?

Source: Washington Examiner

137 thoughts on “Is “Break” A Racist Term?

  1. I grew up in segregated Oklahoma. My grandfather owned a lot of the black housing in the southwestern part of the state. Break is definitely a a racist term.

  2. There is a nerve that would legitimately be touched when someone reserves the term “it will break him” for our first black President. There is a linguistic history of “breaking” a Negro to make him compliant, often comparing it to taming a wild horse or ‘bucking a bronco’ with the goal of putting the Negro ‘in his place’. Today’s conversation about race is no longer about who overtly hates other races, but getting clarity about words and deeds that perpetuates racial discrimination, bias and superiority over others. Demint should have been asked to clarify what he meant by the term – if not to understand his intent, but at least to enjoy him squirm as a little light of insight goes on.

  3. Answer NO!!

    From the Urban Dictionary:

    The 1st shot in a pool match.
    ‘Break’, because the balls are in a triangular pattern, then you ‘break’ them up.
    Whos break is it?
    I broke last game, so you can break this time.”

    This is what police do when they have two or more suspects and they have everyone in a separate rooms and they try to “break” someone one down and see if their stories match.

  4. Let me say this about Herman Cain a few things to ponder:

    He says if he were President he would want a VP in the mold of the Senator
    Jim Demint or Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan.

    Holds Justice Clarence Thomas as an outstanding Supreme Court Justice.
    Likes John Bolton and Henry Kissingers foreign policy philosophy..
    His 999 plan come from someone who is not an economist.
    And it seems that he has ties to the Koch Brothers.

    He’s pandering but I’m not sure what audience,with a nick name of “CORNBREAD” you tell me.

  5. eniobob, in this case, context is everything. There are many cases where the code word is not racist, such as the examples you give. In the case of a black man who has been a high achiever, it is thinly coded racism. If we use the kindest interpretation possible, it is insensitive at best.

  6. I don’t think the Bullshevik revolution that has taken place is primarily racist, so gimme a break, gimme shelter, and gimme some good, good lovin’, cause all I need is Motherly Love.

    Our words go through constant change because of the fundamental underlying propaganda engines that have to change the meaning of words from time to time.

    It is the diversion mechanism baby.

  7. Words are but symbols representing concepts. A single word — love — can represent several concepts, the meaning being dependent on context. A word may represent different concepts among various groups of hearers — apparently the situation at hand.

    What’s the context? Jim Demint — South Carolina — Republican — “Obamacare” — language of violence –“break”

    Is there enough to reasonably infer that Demint would know that use of the word “break” in this situation would have a racist connotation in the black community? Maybe not, but he does now.

    He’s been educated — has he been edified?

  8. OS:

    In the community I hear this term a lot lately’but its used as ” I just can’t get a break” or “give me a break” and for the most part its being used to describe someones personal or someones financial situation.And it usually the latter.

  9. “Herman Cain wants to electrocute Mexicans.”

    He said he was joking. Commentators have noted his great sense of humor.

    But I don’t get the joke. And I don’t see the humor. People cheered, but I don’t recall anyone laughing, Where was the punch line, the pun? Where is the humor in a demeaning and dehumanizing political remark?

    Whenever the defense is “I was just joking,” you weren’t. All you’re doing is trying to avoid responsibility. Both the stupid comment and blaming others for your own shortcomings reveal a sociopathic nature.

    Herman Cain — being true to himself while thinking it’s a joke.

  10. eniobob, those are common (and neutral) usages. When used in the context of applying “break him” to a black man, coming from a guy with a long history of making racially insensitive statements, it takes on a less neutral connotation.

    My background comes from growing up in the deep south and being a pretty good observer of the human condition. I know most of the so-called “dog whistle” words and phrases and that is one of them.

  11. Break dancing … breaking away … breaking dawn … coffee break …

    In one sense, when any racist uses any word it is racist, but I am not going to give it bandwidth.

    Don’t spread the disease.

  12. Let’s admit one thing: We have utterly no idea what was in Demint’s mind when he uttered those words, and the evidence on his intent is mixed. Why then should we raise an emotion-laden charge of racism without substantial proof of his intent?

    I am no fan of Demint or his policies, but irresponsible aspersions serve to demean only the asserter and undermine legitimate instances of criticizing real racism. “Crying Wolf” remains the single biggest marker for credulity now as it was in Aesop’s time.

    I agree with Hanlon’s Razor that one should “[n]ever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

  13. Iremember
    1, October 18, 2011 at 8:57 am
    I grew up in segregated Oklahoma. My grandfather owned a lot of the black housing in the southwestern part of the state. Break is definitely a a racist term.

    I’d like to see Iremember expand on this. I’ve never heard the word “break” used in a racial context, but that doesn’t mean much. Eniobob doesn’t seem to have been exposed to it either, but that does mean something.

    Now, Jim Demint is a political thug without a doubt. He may or may not be a bigot. However, his attack seems to me purely political–dumb, but purely political.

  14. “Why then should we raise an emotion-laden charge of racism without substantial proof of his intent?” (mespo)

    I agree with that statement. (or question)

    Perhaps it was an oblique racist maneuver on Demint’s part for I have heard the term used as racial code, but, in this case, without being able to judge his tone or body language, I’ll give Demint a break.

  15. Demint gives many indications of being a bigot. This term does not seem one of them to me. It’s a common phrase to use in the context of one person wanting to harm their opponent.

    I have noticed that concern about racism has collapsed into what is said about Obama. The Obama campaign and his supporters used charges of racism to silence opponents who were making perfectly reasonable objections to his stances and actions. It was very effective in shutting down dissent from the left. It is still an effective maneuver.

    Black Agenda Report is one of the best places to read coverage of the devastation of racism. They consistently cover the massive amount of unemployment and incarceration of young black men and women in America. They are not afraid to point out that both these things occur and have increased under Obama, nor do they let the rest of society off the hook for the refusal to rectify these injustices. It’s a good site because it speaks truthfully, re-expanding the idea of racism beyond what is said about Obama to include what is happening to the other 99%. Their’s is always a call for racial and economic justice.

  16. “Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson, however, insists that Cain and others need to address “post-intentional racism” – racism that people don’t intend to have or to act upon.”


    Like so many academics (our host excluded), Professor Dyson is identifying a solution in search of a problem. If one does not intend racism, by definition his act cannot be deemed racist. To be complicit in intentional wrongdoing, one needs an act and the intent. Without the former, one has only mens rea; without the latter merely unintended consequence. It’s worth remembering that you cannot “address” mens rea without an assault on conscience or on unintended consequence without an assault on innocence.

  17. Gyges:

    I find it hard to accept that a person is unaware of his prejudices or his biases. The first thing we humans learn is what we like and what we don’t like. If we can’t articulate a rationale for either attitude, it’s either a bias or prejudice. That said, the intention needed for culpability is simply the intent to harm or demean not the awareness of the attitude motivating the conduct. All humans can form that intent.

    If a person could be found who doesn’t realize his own biases and prejudices ( I distinguish this from someone who simply won’t accept them for what they are) and doesn’t intend to harm or demean, he wouldn’t be culpable for intentional harm. One needs to be aware of another’s intention before another’s act is deemed intentionally wrong. That is why we do not punish four-year-olds for firing a found weapon at another child since they are unable to form the intent to harm.

  18. The use of “break him” by DeMint was an intentional, racist slur. Let me ask the group when has that term been used on any other white candidate in recent history? The earlier posters are correct that context is important and considering DeMint’s past history, he is guilty of making a racist reference here. Is anyone surprised after how much crap has been directed in Obama’s direction during the campaign and after the election?

  19. The only color that is a substantive issue and not simply a distraction to the electoral process is green. However, you won’t see clowns like Demint addressing the political spending/corruption issue in any substantive manner. I wonder why (he asked rhetorically)?

  20. A great and well-known quote:

    Adversity causes some men to break; others to break records.

    Saying break is racist is of course asinine but it is par for the course. In an age when anything a republican does is called racist. When anyone, including african-americans that call for smaller government and join the tea party are called racist, when any disagreement with Obama of any sort is called racist and treasonous, when voting against obama is labeled racist yet voting for Cain is also labeled racist, you have crap like this.

    Recently, Florida looked to use the term “Shine” as in sunshine as part of the tourism advertising. Surprise surprise, some claimed “shine” was racist as well.

  21. Jeff,
    The word itself is not racist, it is the context, including who was saying it. DeMint wasn’t calling for smaller government, he was saying we have to “break him”!

  22. SwM,

    This time around the republicans wanted to draw out their primary a bit … having witnessed the continuing back and forth between Obama and Clinton as compared to McCain’s quick sweep last time, they thought it wouldn’t hurt to get into a bit more public awareness by allowing some more interplay between their contenders rather than just immediately giving it to Romney.

    Now, I’m a democrat so naturally I’m biased but, at least between Clinton and Obama one had some substance … the goofballs in this pack are simply making the Republican Party look ridiculous. I’ve been told that the guys in charge are seriously thinking of ending this strategy before it completely ruins Romney’s chances.

    Let’s wait and see what happens.

  23. SwM & raf,

    “Blouise, If they do that, the tea party could get so mad that they run a third party candidate.”

    Wouldn’t that be a hoot?! I’d pay money to see that.

  24. Mespo,

    I’m sorry, but that’s just demonstrably not true.

    Red Delicious apples were for quite awhile the dominate apple in the U.S. market. Compared to other varieties, their sub-par in both flavor and texture. On the other hand, they had one very important trait. They were red for much longer than other apples, and consumers across the board will pick the redder fruit, even knowing that it’s an inferior product. Do you suppose that most of them thought “I know this apple will suck, but it’s red, so I’m going to buy it anyway”? Heck, the whole of point of marketing these days is to play on the consumers biases they don’t know about.

    There’s a reason taste tests should be done “blind” and auditions for Symphony orchestras are often done with the judges facing the other way or behind a curtain.

    That said, I’m only disagreeing with the assertion that bias has to be known. I don’t think one can be unknowingly malicious.

  25. mespo, I think you are conflating criminal standards of thinking with a more psychological standard. First of all, mens rea would not apply in the case of unconscious racism. In the part of the world Jim DeMint hails from, racism is part of the everyday culture and language. Many racists might even deny the racism, but make hurtful comments anyway due to not being sensitive to what is hurtful.

    Some years ago, I had lunch with the (now retired) Dean of Education at an Ivy League university. During the conversation, the Dean gave an example of how subtle racism can be. He told of a lecturer who was naming the ethnic groups that were to be found in Maine. He named all the groups except for Native Americans. They were “invisible” to this learned professor. He described the blank noncomprehending look on the face of the fellow when his omission was pointed out to him.

    And that’s how it works for Jim DeMint.

  26. Point of clarification, the ACA isn’t a health care law; rather, it is a health insurance law (with no meaningful price controls).

  27. How do we know that the word wasn’t “brake” or “bake” or something else unintended, or a word from DeMint’s past like the possibly unconscious “macaca” that just couldn’t help itself from slipping out like afterbirth?
    Surely it was as innocent as the driven snow? Ya can’t be too white, ya know.
    And as for Cain, can you picture anybody from his party voting for a darkie or your choice of words starting with n or c?

  28. Racists can not claim exclusive rights to the verb ‘break’.

    It has been successfully used against women and poor people for (well, for a very long time…).

    It has been used in similiar manner by mobsters, gangsters, thugs, corrupt territorial types and Armies as well. I would suggest that using this word in this manner is a perfect identifier of the motives of the user. And I would hope that people would understand that if this is indicative of the language that is becoming more acceptable in political discourse that we may be in for a long and ugly ride.

    I can scarcely wait for the break of day….

  29. Blouise,
    I agree it would be fun to see what kind of tin foil crazy would be the Teapublican candidate. Of course, they would have to get the Koch Brothers’ permission first!

  30. The thing that fascinates me is there seems to be so much hatred for the President,and for now at least one of the leading contenders on the right is another Black Man.

    ” Eniobob doesn’t seem to have been exposed to it either, but that does mean something.”

    You are so right on that assumption.


    Obama Faces a Critical Moment for His Presidency

    Published: September 6, 2009

    With his honeymoon seemingly over and his White House on the defensive, Mr. Obama faces what friends and foes alike call a make-or-break moment in his young administration. Because he has elevated health care to such a singular priority, advisers said he must force through a credible plan or risk crippling his presidency.

  32. Jobs speech a make or break moment?

    Wolf Blitzer refers to job speech as make or break moment for President Obama


    What does make or break mean?

    Cause either total success or total ruin, as in This assignment will make or break her as a reporter. This rhyming expression, first recorded in Charles Dickens’s Barnaby Rudge (1840), has largely replaced the much older (16th-century) alliterative synonym make or mar, at least in America.

  34. I have to agree with mespo, who is well known for making insensitive bigoted remarks, perhaps post-intentionally, that Hanlon’s law can be just as sharp as Occam’s Razor.

    I also know that many of you calling DeMint’s remark racist are fully aware of the phrase “make or break”, which leads me to think you are disingenuous and partisan and let politics override what you know to be true.

    Nice dog pile over there, shame if you weren’t to jump on it.



    Oil spill crisis make it or break it for Obama
    June 03, 2010|By Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

    The president checks a Louisiana beach with LaFourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph and Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen.
    Credit: Evan Vucci / Associated Press

    Washington – — With the possibility that oil could gush into the Gulf of Mexico until August, President Obama faces the kind of crisis that can make or break a presidency.


    Magical Misery Tour’: Mitt Romney hits out at Obama as President begins make or break fightback aboard ‘Greyhound One’
    President polls just 39 per cent – an all time low
    Obama’s $1.1 million battle bus nicknamed ‘Greyhound One’
    Public clash with Tea Party activist who mocked his calls for civility in politics

    By Daily Mail Reporter

    Last updated at 10:01 AM on 16th August 2011

    Feeling the heat: President Obama wipes his brow as he takes questions on his bus tour

    Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has attacked Barack Obama, calling the President’s upcoming bus tour of Midwestern states a ‘Magical Misery Tour’.

    The comment, which refers to the Beatles iconic 1967 album ‘Magical Mystery Tour’, is a continuation of the GOP frontrunner’s unrelenting attack on Obama – a strategy he has pursued at the expense of criticising his Republican rivals.

    The jibe came as Obama set off on a make-or-break bus tour in the U.S. heartland today – where he hopes to re-engage with American voters.


    Barack Obama, Sept. 8, 2011
    “Pass this jobs plan right away”

    Faced with the greatest challenge of his presidency, Barack Obama delivered a forceful case for his plan to spark jobs growth. Gone was Obama’s usual use of soaring rhetoric and allegory. He demanded six times that lawmakers act “right away” on his plan, which would spend $447 billion to rebuild roads and bridges, keep teachers working, and cut payroll taxes. Opposition will be stiff — much of the speech was met with outright giggling among Republicans. Still, with unemployment hovering above 9%, Obama argued “the people who hired us to work for them don’t have the luxury of waiting 14 months” to see Democrats and Republics sort out their differences at the ballot box.
    Photographer: Pool

    15 more make or break speeches of presidents follow

  38. Will New Hampshire Still Be A Make Or Break Primary?
    By Fred Thys
    Oct 11, 2011, 8:45 AM

    BOSTON — The Republican presidential candidates will debate in Hanover, N.H., at Dartmouth College Tuesday evening. It is the first debate held in the state since June.

    A new poll by Harvard University and St. Anselm College shows Mitt Romney leading the pack in New Hampshire. The other issue at hand is whether New Hampshire is still a make or break primary.


    Party Platforms Can Make or Break a Candidate’s Popularity
    July 30, 2000|Michael Beschloss, New York Times News Service

    WHILE AGONIZING over whether to challenge President Lyndon Johnson in 1968, Robert F. Kennedy was advised by a friend to stay out of the race but to demand an antiwar plank in the Democratic platform.

    RFK scoffed, “When was the last time millions of people rallied behind a plank?”

    When Franklin D. Roosevelt pushed through the New Deal, he flagrantly ignored his 1932 Democratic platform, which had pledged a balanced budget and smaller government.

    “All platforms are meaningless,” said Theodore White, the presidential-campaign chronicler. “The program of either party is what lies in the vision and conscience of the candidate.”

    Party platforms have long been seen as pro-forma documents, dutifully listing the party’s stance on any number of issues. But, in fact, as the first details of the 2000 Republican and Democratic pronunciamentos emerge, we should remember that the platform can provide spectacular insight into a candidate’s character: his vision, his shortcomings and, in many cases, his potential to win.


    Lara Brown, a professor of political science who studies elections at Villanova University, says the reason some candidates’ coverage isn’t reflective of their campaign’s success has everything to do with the media’s framing of them early on. [Check out political cartoons about the Tea Party.]

    Brown says candidates are framed almost immediately when they announce their bids, and all coverage is based off of the early coverage.

    In the case of Ron Paul, Brown says that early on, he was painted as an “extremist” with wacky ideas, a reputation Brown says he has been unable to shake no matter how well his campaign performs.

    “For better or worse, stereotypes become the lens for how the media covers a candidate,” she says. “In the case of Perry, it’s religiosity. For Bachmann—a tendency toward exaggeration. No matter the frame, it can make or break a candidate.”

  41. “I find it hard to accept that a person is unaware of his prejudices or his biases.”

    1. I think your are referring to “likes” and “dislikes,” and people do know what they like and dislike — but they may not know why, especially if they are unmindful of their underlying prejudices and biases.

    2. Not only can people be unaware of their prejudices and biases, they can believe themselves righteous in spite of some very nasty prejudices and biases. See page 57:

  42. anon1, October 18, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    What does make or break mean?

    Cause either total success or total ruin, as in This assignment will make or break her as a reporter. This rhyming expression, first recorded in Charles Dickens’s Barnaby Rudge (1840), has largely replaced the much older (16th-century) alliterative synonym make or mar, at least in America.
    “If we are able to stop Obama on this [health care law], it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.” that De guy

    yup, indicative of thug mentality. What percentage of politics is thuggery(deliberate interference to cause a politically advantageous outcome) and is this thuggery considered legal?

  43. “Breaking slaves” through whippings and other forms of torture was routinely practiced by overseers. I think Demint knows this. Seems to know his confederate history rather well.

  44. rafflaw, do you think that the manner of opposition indicated by the statement in question is really kosher political behaviour? or is it just another corruption of what used to be a system that worked…..?

    because, the people who are affected by these political behaviors….constituents….have pretty much already said they are disgusted by the partisan ‘sink your battleship’ behaviour….

  45. This one is good. David Frum complains that Bush Presidency is broken complains a woman driver broke it.

    Sunday, March 16, 2008

    A Broken Presidency

    Bill Kristol has a strong editorial in today’s Weekly Standard

    If you talk to people in the Bush administration, they know the truth about the report. They know that it makes the case convincingly for Saddam’s terror connections. But they’ll tell you (off the record) it’s too hard to try to set the record straight. Any reengagement on the case for war is a loser, they’ll say. Furthermore, once the first wave of coverage is bad, you can never catch up: You give the misleading stories more life and your opponents further chances to beat you up in the media. And as for trying to prevent misleading summaries and press leaks in the first place—that’s hopeless. Someone will tell the media you’re behaving like Scooter Libby, and God knows what might happen next.

    This is all correct as far as it goes.

    But it doesn’t go far enough!

    This is a psychologically broken administration: exhausted, passive, prematurely aged, self-defeated.

    It is lying on the mat moaning as its opponents kick it, unwilling/unable to block a blow or raise a hand in self-defense.

  46. Woosty,
    Personal attacks are not new, but the extent and the viciousness is relatively new and I see the change dating back to New Gingrich and his tenure as Speaker. The Teapublicans have just taken that play book and expanded upon it in a negative, dirty way.

  47. anon, maybe you ought to ask some of our minority commenters about exactly what it means when a white South Carolina politician talks about breaking a black man.

    There are a lot of non-malignant uses of the word “break,” “breaking” and “broken.” Given the context this is not one of them.

  48. “If we are able to stop Obama on this [health care law], it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”

    I like to give a person the benefit of the doubt. I’ve taken time to consider Demint’s comment. My opinion: I think Demint’s use of the word “break” probably had a racist connotation. It think it was a “code” word for certain people. If Demint didn’t like President Obama’s healthcare bill, why not just say that he’d fight to defeat it? Is the reason he wanted to defeat the bill so President Obama would meet his Waterloo? Why would a US Congressman want to “break” the President of the United States?

  49. I ‘m wondering if the President took it as a racist remark since it was directed towards him. If he didn’t and Otteray is correct as to its “dogwhistle” meaning, is it anything more than an inside joke among jerks? For the rest of us isn’t it merely a tree falling in the woods that almost no one hears.

  50. Why would a US Congressman want to “break” the President of the United States?~Elaine

    Now THAT’s a question in need of an answer….

  51. mespo, I am not sure regarding your question as to whether Obama took it as racist. His cultural history and experiences were quite different from the average African American person who grew up on mainland USA, especially those from the deep south. I suspect he may not be quite as attuned as those AA citizens who live in South Carolina. They know very well what a comment like that means.

  52. I apologize if someone else pointed this out but “Obamacare” is the pejorative. This is the term the republicans used, and continue to use, to denigrate (is that word now racist(?) the affordable health care act.

  53. Otteray Scribe,

    “I suspect he may not be quite as attuned as those AA citizens who live in South Carolina.”

    Betcha his wife is..

  54. Nobody is flooding and “integrating” black nations and ONLY black nations with non-blacks and calling native blacks evil racists for opposing their replacement. This is happening in white nations and ONLY in white nations. They say they are antiracist. What they are is antiwhite. Antiracist is a code word for antiwhite. And what they want is genocide.

  55. Otteray,

    As I recall, this continent wasn’t originally populated by white Europeans, was it? As I recall, Africans didn’t come to this continent of their own free will, did they?

  56. peter happe

    lets ask the afrikaners or the rhodesians.

    but to be honest, they never tried to “integrate”. subjugation not integration.

  57. United States

    Main article: Multiracial American

    Multiracial US Americans officially numbered 6.1 million in 2006, or 2.0% of the population.[5][6] However there is considerable evidence that the actual number is much higher. Prior to the mid-20th century many people hid their multiracial heritage. Consequently many Americans today are multi-racial without knowing it.
    Mr. Happe, John Sedges says that the only cure for the racism rampant in our Country and others is the effect of interacial marriage and the off-spring of same on our population. I think it’s actually happening! :)

  58. eniobob:

    “The thing that fascinates me is there seems to be so much hatred for the President,and for now at least one of the leading contenders on the right is another Black Man.”

    I dont think it is racism, it is ideas. The right doesnt like Obama’s ideas and the left doesnt like Cain’s ideas. I think Cain is right on most of the issues and like his resume. I will right his name in if Romney or one of the others get the nomination.

    This isnt about racism but about philosophy. If Cain were white, the left would not like him and if Obama were white conservatives would not like him. Now it may be that the level of dislike is higher on both sides because of race but is that even relevant? Once you dislike a man’s ideas and want to defeat him does it matter if there is some racial motivation?

  59. eniobob:

    I know you disagree, I was wondering if you think race is relevant if you have a fundamental opposition to someones philosophy? I disagree with Obama and would still disagree with him if he were white.

    Does race escalate the philosophical difference or is it moot at that point? When you have such an ideological chasm does race even enter into it?

  60. Bron, I think you missed the point. Of course simple disagreement or philosophical differences are not racist. However, it is racism if the outrage is fueled by a blind hatred of the idea of a black man and woman living in the White House. The repeated outcry of the right wing to make his a failed Presidency is based more on not wanting a man of color to have a successful Presidency than it has to do with philosophy.

  61. Otteray Scribe:

    I hope not, a philosophical disagreement is one thing but to wish someone ill because of race is pretty evil in my book.

    I would hope most people are better than that.

  62. Yes, and those statements can be treasonous.. On page 716 of THE TWILIGHT ZONE UNLOCKING THE DOOR TO A TELEVISION CLASSIC is an observation of THE TWILIGHT ZONE and the republican party. Not only is this the best book on the series ever, this statement made in the 1960s by a TV viewer describes the republican viewpoint now better than any thing I’ve ever read. It deserves your attention.

  63. I’ll just throw this in the mix on my way out the door.WOW!!!!!!!!!

    West counters Obama: MLK would not have backed Wall Street protests
    By Alicia M. Cohn – 10/19/11 01:15 PM ET

    Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) rejected President Obama’s comparison between Martin Luther King Jr. and what he called the “Occupy Wall Street gangs.”

    “Martin Luther King Jr. would not have backed these types of protesters,” West said, noting that he was born and raised in King’s neighborhood. “First of all, Martin Luther King, Jr. had a focus, a message. He was divinely inspired. I don’t know what the inspiration is for these individuals.”

    Between Cain and West I’m trying to figure which is trying to get to the bottom the fastest.

  64. eniobob,

    re: – “Pat Buchanan: Blacks Have Lost The American Identity They Had During Segregation”

    This kind of crap makes me very angry … ‘nough said …

  65. Pat Buchanan has definitely lost the last remnants of his mind. He wants to force people to behave in a certain way. His way.

    All hail Pat or something like that.

  66. SwM,

    No, but they were all over the news … and the roads. I think only one monkey is still free.

    I feel for the sheriff down there … he only had about an hour before nightfall and they did get a few with tranquilizer darts but then, out of a concern for public safety, he ordered his deputies to shot to kill and they got 49 of the 56 released.

    It’s a tragic event any way you look at it.

  67. With all the “real” racism that we (blacks) have to deal with, there is no time to make up things like this. Some people are so smart that they are just dumb, if that makes any sense to anyone…

  68. “Idiots comes to mind, but the word seems so inadequate.”

    “This kind of crap makes me very angry … ‘nough said …”

    Combining OS and Blouise sentiments is the only way I can express my feelings for Buchanan,West and Cain,for I still see the dogs the water spraying and the beatings by police with night sticks on Men and Woman during the days of civil disobedience and these clowns spewing their nonsense.

  69. eniobob,

    I hear ya …

    BTW, UAW and GM negotiated and signed their new contract with no problem. Improved healthcare for both active and retired, signing bonus … good contract. GM profits are continuing to do very well and their cars are selling well. Shelby and Corker, another couple of republican good ol’ boys who have much in common with Buchanan,West and Cain, are probably most upset that they weren’t able to better serve their foreign masters by driving American industry completely into the ditch.

    The other day I heard George Bush try to take credit for saving American auto … Obama did it before he even took office which is what Bush is trying to pass off as his accomplishment.

  70. Blouise:

    Speaking of Unions,I hear James Hoffa jr and his teamsters are partnering with get this Congressman Ducan Hunter jr,and a Democratic Congressman to fight this Trucking bill that is up for passing involving truck drivers from Mexico bringing goods into the US with unqualified drivers and trucks.
    I think its going on today or tomorrow,the administration is supposedly on board,this has been going on for awhile now.Hoffa called it “zombie”legislation he said each time they think they have killed it,it keeps coming back. Well Bush can take credit for this one.

    · Sun, 02/25/2007 – 06:26 · Importance: 1

    Bush administration lets Mexican truckers past border zone

    Here it is:

    Teamster Chief, Congressmen Blast Mexico Truck Access To U.S.
    Wednesday, October 19, 2011

  71. eniobob,

    We’re dealing with many republican zombie bills here in Ohio. I’m glad Hoffa has joined the fight on this particular bill.

  72. Swm:
    Toure,has it so right.

    Every time I look at “CORNBREAD”aka Herman Cain,after his interview with David Gregory.I picture him hiding in the house while his classmates are out on the front lines of the struggle,the man is pathetic.

  73. eniobob, I think J.C. Watts started this black conservative republican thing, but these new guys have taken it to another level.

  74. I say get over the slavery thing already. Just about every group of people was enslaved during some point in time in human history. Anyone with a brain and who is not trying to be hyper partisan knows Mr. Demint is talking about breaking Obama politically.

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