Zimmerman Preview? Florida Man Denied Use “Stand Your Ground” Law

In a case with some similarities to the George Zimmerman case, Hillsborough County Circuit Judge Ashley Moody has denied the use of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in a shooting in September 2010 where an older man wrestled with a younger man on a basketball court. As with Zimmerman, Trevor Dooley, 69, had a gun permit and insisted that the younger man, David James, started the fight. In this case it was a black man shooting a white man, though the case has not generated the attention or controversy of the Zimmerman. Dooley is charged with manslaughter in James’ death.


James and his 8-year-old daughter Danielle were playing basketball on the court when a teenager entered the court on a skateboarder. Dooley told the teen that he was not allowed to skateboard on the court and was confronted by James who demanded that Dooley show him the sign that says no skateboarding. The teen was Dooley’s neighbor.

What followed as a shouting match and, what Dooley described, as a shoving match with James as the aggressor. Dooley says that he showed James his gun and shot James only after he was in fear of serious bodily injury. Notably, James’ daughter, aged 10, became a defense witness. She said that her father was “on top” of Dooley “to keep him down so he could actually get the answer” about where the sign was.

However, Moody still ruled that “…the evidence showed that Mr. James had not been threatening or aggressive in any way toward Defendant, although he did appear to be shocked, defensive, loud, upset and agitated. It was not until Defendant reached for and pulled out his weapon – indicating an intent to escalate from an argument to violence – that Mr. James exerted and used physical force against Defendant.”

That is precisely the type of ruling that prosecutors hope for in the trial of Zimmerman for the killing of Trayvon Martin. However, the Dooley case again shows how Special Prosecutor seriously over-charged the case against Zimmerman who is facing not a manslaughter charge but a second-degree murder charge. While Angela Corey insisted that the campaign for a criminal charge had no impact on her decision-making, the actual charge is disconnected with the criminal code and practices.

Source: ABC

54 thoughts on “Zimmerman Preview? Florida Man Denied Use “Stand Your Ground” Law

  1. This guy is sort of . . . dusky hued is he not? Should be interesting to see if he and Z get the same treatment. The story (and I believe you covered it here a couple weeks back) of the AA woman denied SYG protection in what sounded like a reasonable defense makes me wonder about the laws application in the benighted swamps where it has been passed.

  2. I still say the ‘overcharge’ on Zimmerman is intentional, so that he is NOT convicted.

    WHY does “stand your ground” and “stand & argue” get mixed up??

  3. The defendant will still be able to present the stand-your-ground defense case to the jury, and will still bear the burden of proof.

  4. The phrase, “arbitrary and capricious” comes to mind in these cases. This needs to be fixed so the public knows exactly what the law says. I think I can read reasonably well, but I don’t see any rhyme or reason in it, or in how it is enforced.

  5. Rick Roberts you are correct sir it is illegal to flash a weapon. In this case he flashed the weapon when he was talking to the 14 year old boy.
    @ Frankly The case of the AA woman was flawed stand your ground because she had retreated to the garage already where she obtained her weapon and returned to where the man and his children were then shot at them( missed thank the Lord). They were not self defense and not stand your ground. SYG is basically only 2 changes from the self defense castle doctrine. !. It allows you the right of self defense outside of the home and keeps away the civil suits that criminals and their families have been known to file against persons rightfully using self defense.

  6. I have a real problem with the jjudge stating that Dooley pulled his gun and escalated the confrontation. That defies logic and reason. Had Dooley done that, I doubt that James would have attacked an armed man with a gun drawn and pointed at him. I find Dooley’s testimony FAR more believeable than the judges judgement as to what he thinks happened. I have no question that Dooley did show James the gun in an attempt to keep him from continuing to shove and hit him. A reasonable explanation is that Dooley only pulled and shot his gun as he was on the ground being beaten by a much younger and more fit man who showed that he could and would do major harm to him. It is especially more troubling since James was not even a party to the initial conflict and chose to become aggressive at Dooley when he had not addressed James at all. Given what has been revealed, I think it is a legitimate self defense case especially given that James had not even been a party to the initial incident, but for whatever reason decided to assualt Dooley.

    Transposing this case to the Zimmerman case, it wouid be like it if a neighbor saw Zimmerman harrassing Martin, came to Martin’s defense and started shoving and hitting Zimmerman. Z then shows his gun without pulling it out, and the neighbor assaults Z. He then pulls his gun and while being beaten by the person, shoots him. In such a situation, I would not even charge Zimmerman especially if there was as big a discrepensy in physical capabilities as existed in this case.

    As for the photo of Zimmerman’s head showing that Zimmerman was in fear of his life, that is hardly the case. Hell, I have bled more from shaving than that. From my personal experience on both ends of such wounds, Zimmerman got those wounds from falling backwards onto the concrete, NOT from being beaten or having his head slammed to it.

  7. On just these facts it is hard to decide the equities of this case, but in the macrocosm it is another example of the capriciousness of the SYG laws. At what point does a verbal confrontation, with physical aspects, become life threatening? Each situation becomes unique unto itself. SYG clouds, more than clarifies the issues and I think makes a deadly outcome somewhat more probable.

  8. Deborah, “The case of the AA woman was flawed stand your ground because she had retreated to the garage already where she obtained her weapon and returned to where the man and his children were then shot at them”

    You might want to read the account given by Alexander’s husband. He makes it very clear that it was his intent to hurt her, as he had in the past badly enough to send her to the hospital. He admits he was violent to all five of his “baby mommas”. One of them has gone public.

    He first trapped her in the bathroom and admits yelling at her and shoving her around. She managed to escape to the garage. He knew he had her trapped in the garage. Instead of telling his kids to get in their bedroom and close the door (they were standing in the doorway) he told them to come into the room where the gun was. He was the one moving them from relative safety to harm’s way. He is the one who had been displaying anger, physical violence, and saying “if I can’t have you, no one can”. Fear is the common sense reaction to his behavior. She survived because she also felt anger and a need to fight back. He said she fired the gun into the air.

    I guess from your pov she should have just stayed trapped in the garage and let him beat her to a pulp. From his account, that was his intent.

  9. New documents show that Koch Industries had a seat on the controversial “Public Safety and Elections Task Force” of the American Legislative Exchange Council as of at least 2011.

    ALEC announced it was dropping that task force in the wake of the controversy over the tragic shooting of Trayvon Martin and so-called “Stand Your Ground” (SYG) laws. However, the co-leader of that task force, Rep. Jerry Madden (R-TX), revealed ALEC’s announcement to be a PR maneuver when he reassured The Christian Post that his task force’s work would continue through other ALEC task forces.

    Koch Industries has vigorously defended ALEC, and has assailed reporting that noted that the company, led by billionaire brothers Charles and David, is a long-time funder and leader of ALEC and that ALEC has long advanced the NRA agenda through “model” gun bills, including Florida’s controversial SYG law that was ratified by ALEC in 2005.

    It turns out that Koch was a member of that ALEC task force in recent years, and that it was on the task force when the NRA was the private sector co-chair. Moreover, Koch Industries had not one but two employees who were listed as “members” present for ALEC’s “Public Safety and Elections” Task Force at the last annual task force summit.

    Koch has said it had no involvement in the SYG law passed in Florida and then ratified by the ALEC criminal justice task force in 2005. The company, however, was a leader of ALEC in 2005, just as today, and its funding helps underwrite ALEC’s operations and agenda. The various task forces Koch has served on over the past nearly two decades is not known, but now it has come to light that in at least 2010 and 2011 Koch was a member of ALEC’s crime task force.

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/9126-new-documents-confirm-koch-was-on-nra-led-alec-crime-task-force

  10. God knows it was a stupid fight. You know it was a stupid fight. What we need is God in more humans like he is in you knowing it was a stupid fight. All have to face the light for God the father of lights. Have God in a human knowing what a stupid fight is, and no one will be engaging in a stupid fight killing anyone.

  11. want to actually help some of us in florida with this?
    google orlando tourism, florida tourism,or any state, local, disney world, universal studio’s, or any cruise ship line that boards in florida and tell them you won’t be vacationing here in florida this year because you don’t feel safe in the state.

    that will get their attention

  12. regarding the charges – in Zimmerman’s case – he was the one who went looking for the fight where the fight came to James. Wouldn’t that make the difference between manslaughter and 2nd degree?

  13. ARB,
    I don’t believe it was a concrete wound. It was the knife wieldeed by a “friendly” person at the station.
    Even a concrete step edge would not leave such a smooth wound. If it was sewn, the doctor’s notations might be interesting.

  14. Save the soul being like Jesus is, and have no worries. You want to stir up conflict. Do you think Jesus in us would stir up conflict or try to resolve conflict?

  15. Cheryl, It was James who inserted himself into the discussion between Dooley and the teenager. It was James who angrily went after Dooley, not the other way around. I don’t see James as being a peace maker. There is conflicting information as to when the gun was actually removed from Dooley’s waistband.

    I hate to be the first to bring race into it, but a white teenager was challenged by a much older Black man. How dare he! And then another white man, former military, jumps in angrily challenging the Black man. I think the lesson is, if you’re Black, don’t expect SYG to work for you.

  16. A.R. Erb –

    I agree with much of what you have to say, except this:

    “I doubt that James would have attacked an armed man with a gun drawn and pointed at him.”

    The sad reality is, unarmed- and lesser-armed people in a rage quite often do, in fact, run right at people with a weapon.

    Not that this is what happened in this particular case.

  17. Artiewhitefox said:

    “Do you think Jesus in us would stir up conflict or try to resolve conflict?”

    If the New Testament is to be believed . . .

    “And Jesus went into the temple and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. And He said to them, ‘It is written, l ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a m ‘den of thieves.’ ”

    Matthew 21:12-13
    Jesus Cleanses the Temple

    I’d have to submit that “stirring up” vs “resolving” conflict might depend on your point of view.

  18. I like this blog, I read it (and write horribly worded comments) all the time. But just as in the Zimmerman case, this one is a matter of people commenting from a distance. There can be no established “knowledge” without the evidence and testimony being played out in court. I’m not a big fan of guns due to some rather bothersome experiences of having shot and killed people and having been shot back at (Iraq). I own a pistol personally, but it stays at a gun range, and is used for killing evile paper circles. I also have a shotgun that stays in my home that is loaded with bean bag rounds for the first four shots, and then buck shot for the rest. (BTW, Remington semi automatic shotguns rule- 10 rounds, and no recoil, and that lets me use less than lethal round mixtures without fear of running out and being SOL should a situation continue to escalate). But the stand your ground law makes sense. You have the right to be where you wish to be, provided it’s lawful that you are there in the first place. You have a right to defend yourself and your property. I have zero sympathy for someone who gets killed in the process of initiating violence, even if it could have been avoided. I also have zero sympathy for people who use lethal force when less than lethal force could have been used to prevent loss of life or serious injury (without having to retreat). A common question from the anti-gun crowd is “Was it worth taking his life over…” whether it be a few dollars, or a wallet, or your television, or to prevent serious injury, or whatever. Um… yeah? That person made a choice. The consequences of that choice are his to bear. Don’t like getting shot? Try not attacking people. Or robbing people. Or breaking into people’s home. Or assaulting them in public. Heck, I’ve drawn on someone just for parking in my yard. He was high on drugs, and was waiting to attack his girlfriend across the street, and he actually was armed, but I didn’t know it at the time. He refused to leave when asked the first time. That was enough for me to dial 911 and introduce him to said Remington. However, it’s the usage of stand your ground laws that hasn’t made much sense in the media lately. The law is pretty explicit, as has been pointed out by many bloggers and pundits over the past few weeks. How these interpretations play out in court is going to depend on the evidence of the case (hopefully? maybe? probably not?). But it’s pure sophistry to view the case as one so far removed and make so many judgments as to actual intent and usage of deadly force.

    The issue of race and how it affects actual justice is another matter entirely. I doubt this individual will get the same scrutiny given his case as will Zimmerman’s (except in a race to convict him) because race is still a horrible detriment to the wrong variety if you happen to be accused in court. I hope he has quality representation, and a decent voir dire. Otherwise, he’s guilty before he even steps foot into a court.

  19. Zimmerman had black eyes, nose fracture, records show

    MIAMI — Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

    The medical records were part of evidence released Tuesday that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman. He has entered a plea of not guilty and claims self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting. A message left Tuesday evening with Zimmerman’s attorney was not immediately returned.

    Zimmerman was treated Feb. 27 at Altamonte Family Practice. A phone call made Tuesday evening to the practice rang unanswered.

    ABC News first reported Zimmerman’s injuries from the medical records. Some of the injuries were previously reported by The Associated Press based on video of Zimmerman at a jail sally port.

    Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

    SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

    The information could support George Zimmerman’s claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

    The autopsy results come as Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.

    O’Mara wouldn’t comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it’s better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.

    WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

    When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman’s bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.

    “It goes along with Zimmerman’s story that he acted in self-defense, because he was getting beaten up by Trayvon Martin,” Sheaffer said.

    The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman’s story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.

    But Sheaffer said there could be another explanation for Martin’s knuckle injury.

    “It could be consistent with Trayvon either trying to get away or defend himself,” Sheaffer said.

    Zimmerman shot and killed the unarmed teenager almost three months ago after calling 911 to report the teenager was acting suspiciously.

    Zimmerman said Martin threw the first punch and that he opened fire in self-defense after his screams for help went unanswered.

    The FBI was not able to determine whether it was Zimmerman or Trayvon who could be heard crying out for help in 911 calls but has stated they are using Computer Aided Automatic Scream Identification (CAASI) technology to resolve the issue.

  20. George Zimmerman Medical Report Released, Faces Possible Hate Crime Charge
    The Huffington Post | By Danielle Cadet
    5/15/12
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman_n_1518562.html

    Excerpt:
    According to a medical report from George Zimmerman’s family physician, the neighborhood watch volunteer was diagnosed with lacerations to the back of his head, a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes and a minor back injury the day after his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin, ABC News reports.

    The three-page medical report is included in court documents that the state of Florida made public Monday, which also contained 911 calls, non-emergency calls, photos, video, medical records and a number of hardcopy documents. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the evidence also includes new video from the night of the shooting, both from the 7-Eleven store Trayvon visited before the confrontation and the clubhouse in the neighborhood where the teen was killed.

    Law enforcement authorities said Zimmerman, who maintains he shot the teen in self-defense, told local police that Martin punched him in the face, climbed on top of him and slammed his head into the sidewalk. When the local police arrived at the scene, they found Zimmerman with a bloody nose, swollen lip and lacerations on the back of his head. Although paramedics gave him first aid, he said he did not need to go to the hospital and sought medical treatment the next day.

    In addition to the second-degree murder charge he’s facing for shooting 17-year-old Martin, Zimmerman could face federal hate crime charges, WFTV reports.

  21. I don’t care if Trayvon beat the crap out of Zimmerman. He was the aggressor and stalked Martin. Doesn’t TM have the right to stand his ground?

  22. The word oi God is void in all of this except from me. The KJV was given fore a reason. We need to consider it.
    Romans 14;8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

    10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

    13Let us not therefore judge one another any more:

    Is this understood?

    This agrees with the first.

    KJV, James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

  23. KJV, James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

    Kirk, James T. Stardate 3156.2 Without freedom of choice, there is no creativity. Without creativity, there is no life. If I were you, I’d start looking for another job.

  24. The one who made life for you too kill to eat will judge.When you die I guarantee you will see that Judge or be held captive in Satan’s jail that is unseen to wait for final judgment. Therefore judge yourself and avoid that fate. God is equal. Luke 6:37:King James Bible
    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
    All of this is equal.
    Hell is Gods light from Gods face you have not seen but Moses saw from Gods back on mount Sinai where the ten commandments came from .
    Religions that have the truth will not teach it.I am not a religion that will reveal the truth that religions to date have not taught.

    Hell is Gods light seen to the human that kills or hates not being like Jesus is like it was fire. KJV, 1 John 1;5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light. Heb; 12:29;For our God is a consuming fire. James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, Hell is the face of God Moses could not look into or become ashes. Hell is not a place. Heaven is not a place. Jesus in you doings his good works willing to die rather than war doing good to whoever..

  25. The one who made life for you too kill to eat will judge you when you die. I guarantee you will see that Judge or be held captive in Satan’s jail that is unseen to wait for final judgment. Therefore judge yourself and avoid that fate. God is equal. Luke 6:37:King James Bible
    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.
    All of this is equal.
    Hell is Gods light from Gods face you have not seen but Moses saw from Gods back on mount Sinai where the ten commandments came from .
    Religions that have the truth will not teach it.I am not a religion that will reveal the truth that religions to date have not taught.

    Hell is Gods light seen to the human that kills or hates not being like Jesus is like it was fire. KJV, 1 John 1;5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light. Heb; 12:29;For our God is a consuming fire. James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, Hell is the face of God Moses could not look into or become ashes. Hell is not a place. Heaven is not a place. Jesus in you doings his good works willing to die rather than war doing good to whoever..

  26. Jesus comes like a Thief in the night to those that are not ready for him. The furries have been ready for him a long time. The ones not ready when his light shines will beg consumed by a light that will out shine the sun. That light is in the furry.The devil does not like it. Have no one persecuting the furry or any of their art treating it like is was bad, and the dark devil will be vamoose from the souls of men saving more souls than the lord wouyd have expected.

  27. Jesus comes like a Thief in the night to those that are not ready for him. The furries have been ready for him a long time. The ones not ready when his light shines will beg consumed by a light that will out shine the sun. That light is in the furry.The devil does not like it. Have no one persecuting the furry or any of their art treating it like is was bad, and the dark devil will be vamoose from the souls of men saving more souls than the lord would have expected.

  28. I loved the interaction with the, lion furry with the wolf furry. This is showing tr5hat loving touch is very good even as minimally as it was given. The wolf sprawled out totally relaxed speaking in body n language saying Lion furry please give me more!. My doberman does that when I gently rub his natural floppy ears. It must tingle his senses in a good way like the lion tingled the senses of the wolf twitching one leg showing innocent relaxed pleasure as it coursed through his furry body. The furry lion in turn enjoyed giving the pleasure too. Sex gives pleasure too.why6 is it despised to be seen when this is not despised. Both furries are depicting a nude animal too. Why are natural parts on all life despised to have us act like they don’t exist? The furry wants to show them . let them. Love them with Gods unchanging love when they are allowed to .

  29. I loved the interaction with the, lion furry with the wolf furry. This is showing that loving touch is very good even as minimally as it was given. The wolf sprawled out totally relaxed speaking in body n language saying Lion furry please give me more!. My doberman does that when I gently rub his natural floppy ears. It must tingle his senses in a good way like the lion tingled the senses of the wolf twitching one leg showing innocent relaxed pleasure as it coursed through his furry body. The furry lion in turn enjoyed giving the pleasure too. Sex gives pleasure too.why is it despised to be seen when this is not despised. Both furries are depicting a nude animal too. Why are natural parts on all life despised to have us act like they don’t exist? The furry wants to show them. let them. Love them with Gods unchanging love when they are allowed to .

  30. If you haven’t had the chance to see Cool Hand Luke, you’re in for a treat.

    The whole range of Newman from the 50s up to Butch Cassidy is a good weekend experience. He has a terrific range from hero to the truly loathsome (Hud).

  31. Some states have a variation of stand your ground which is stand your ground on your own front door or porch. Florida gives you the right to stand your ground at the Ok Corral. Nothing wrong with that.

  32. Professor Turley, this is not analogous, with all due respect. It also doesn’t show that the Zimmerman case was over-charged, with the same respect. In this case, a confrontation had begun, largely thanks to the victim’s conduct toward the defendant, and they both knew each other. The older man not only had a reason to be where he was, doing what he was doing (minding his own business, playing basketball on a basketball court), but the younger man DID come into his “space” in a public place and did deliberately confront the older man.

    You have several elements of this crime:

    Identification of victim and defendant
    Challenging and potentially threatening behavior initiated by one of them
    Responsive challenging and potentially threatening behavior
    Escalation
    Shooting

    How do they compare in the Zimmerman and Dooley cases?

    ———————————————-
    Idenfication of victim and defendant: (And here, I do not mean black and white, I mean, how did they identify each other?)

    Z case: Defendant did not even know the victim; he saw him and profiled him as someone who needed to be dealt with by law enforcement or, lacking that, by self-appointed law enforcement; Victim did not know Defendant and only identified him as “creepy” and “crazy” stranger who was following him for unknown motive.

    D Case: Defendant and Victim knew each other. Not friends.

    ————————————–
    Challenging and potentially threatening behavior initiated by one of them

    Z case: Defendant did both challenge and threaten.

    D case: Victim challenged and threatened first, but rather ineffectually; then Defendant threatened, very convincingly.

    ———————————————————–
    Responsive challenging and potentially threatening behavior

    Z case: Presumably Victim responded with as much challenging and threatening behavior as he could muster

    D case: Obviously Defendant responded with as much challenging and threatening behavior as he could muster
    ——————————————————–
    Escalation

    Z Case: The person who initiated the challenge and threat then escalated it and killed.

    D case: The person who RESPONDED to the initial challenge and threat then escalated it and killed.

    —————————————————————————
    Shooting

    Z case: The one who started it finished it — fatally.
    D case: The one who responded finished it — fatally.

    ———————————————————————
    AND OF COURSE, the ending was much different because Dooley was arrested, charged, tried and convicted. The lesser charge in the Dooley case does NOT prove that the Zimmerman case was overcharged. It proves that they were VERY different cases and cannot be compared in terms of the standing of one’s ground OR the degree of criminal intent in the homicide itself.

    By the way, the reason there was an uproar in Zimmerman/Martin and NONE in this case is NOT because of the race of the shooter and victim; it is because the SHOOTER WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED and charged with the crime. If you will recall, the reason for the uproar in Zimmerman was that the police failed to take the matter seriously, let Zimmerman go, and failed to even take the witnesses’ statements pursuant to protocol!

  33. I haven’t checked back in here nfor some time but i see that again people are making judgments on cases that they have NOT researched, even replying to me that have not done so. Do your research and don’t worry about replying to me because you have not done it. Marissa Alexander was wrong and she should have taken the plea for 3 years. It was offered due to the mitigating factor of the DV. There was a 911 call that shows where the ex-husband clearly stated thst he was leaving and she stated she had something for him and then shot at him AND the 2 children not once but twice. As fro Trevor Dooley there were plenty of witnesses who saw what happened. He brandished the weapon in front of other people including 2 children. He was not touched until the weapon came out. Please don’t reply to me because you only show your ignorance and since you seem to be only on the side of the AA people in these cases, I can see where your loyalties lie and it certainly isn’t to the truth.

  34. Another needless death of a black youth by a raging gun nut in Florida:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/

    “Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, [Jacksonville sheriff’s Lt. Rob] Schoonover said.
    Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.”

    I hope this mans shooting days are over

  35. Since I view this as a terrorist, hate crime, I hope that Dunn gets the death penalty. The poor kids were committing the “crimes” of being black in their own HS school parking lot. They also committed the other crime of being in an SUV which as all white Southern rednecks KNOW are reserved only for white folks.

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