Woman Admits That She Falsely Accused Convicted High School Student of Rape After He Serves His Time In Jail . . . Woman Keeps $1.5 Million Award As Rape Victim

Brian Banks was a former high school football star when he was accused of rape by Wanetta Gibson. Gibson’s name was sealed as a rape victim while Banks was publicly accused as a rapist despite his insistence that it was consensual sex. It was his word against hers and prosecutors threatened him with life imprisonment if he went to trial, so he pleaded guilty to a rape that he did not commit. He spent five years in jail. When he was released he was surprised when his “victim” asked to befriend him on Facebook. She later admitted that she made the whole thing up but did not want to give back the $1.5 million that she won in a judgment against the school district for her alleged rape. She retains the money despite admitting to lying about the rape.

Banks was 16 and a student at Long Beach Poly High School when he said that he made out with Gibson but did not go beyond groping and kissing. He was a talented football star being scouted by colleges for possible scholarships. The ended the same day when Gibson accused him of rape. Prosecutors pushed forward with the case despite an absence of critical forensic evidence and the fact that Gibson’s account changed over time. Banks’ mother sold her condo and her car to pay for his defense.

After his release, Gibson met Banks and agreed to speak in front of an investigator. She is quoted as saying “I will go through with helping you but it’s like at the same time all that money they gave us, I mean gave me, I don’t want to have to pay it back.”

Since this case occurred ten years ago, it is not clear if Gibson will even be investigated, let alone charged for her false statements. In the meantime, she is keeping the money . . . what she has not already spent.

There is also no response from prosecutors on why they pushed forward with the case given the conflicts in the account of the alleged victim and absence of forensic evidence establishing guilt.

A judge has finally expunged the conviction of Banks so that he does not have to remain on parole. He already served the jail time.
Source: ABA Journal

146 thoughts on “Woman Admits That She Falsely Accused Convicted High School Student of Rape After He Serves His Time In Jail . . . Woman Keeps $1.5 Million Award As Rape Victim

  1. So the “victim” of a never-happened rape not only is not restituting the guy her lies sent to prison for 5 years (and severely damaged his reputation), she is continuing on as a thief of $1.5M from the Long Beach school district taxpayers – monetary “award” she was “given”.

    Until Wanetta Gibson restitutes Brian Banks – and he decides what would return him to or approximate the state of lifetime Happiness he was before her lies – and also begins paying back the money she has stolen, she properly should be shunned by others.
    Good to see that the UK Daily Mail article carries photos of her so that others can recognize and negatively Social Preference her: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149462/Brian-Banks-One-time-football-star-rape-charge-dismissed-years-prison-accuser-contacts-Facebook-say-happened.html

  2. Does he have some legal basis to sue this viperous woman? He should at least take everything that is left from that settlement.

    What a horrible tale.

  3. Brian Banks was the victim of incompetent counsel and a government that forced him to plea or risk 41 years to life. Watch Banks’ account of his conversation with his attorney (1:45)

    Also, Gibson has since claimed that she was lying when she recanted her story. She states that she only did that because Banks’ has offered her a $10,000 bribe to do so (4:35)

  4. “She retains the money despite admitting to lying about the rape.”

    I suspect that will be a temporary state of affairs. Speaking of states, I also suspect that the prosecutors and the State of California will be getting out their checkbooks too. I hope the meanest attorney in the state steps up and takes Banks’ case pro bono.

  5. I personally have never seen the wisdom in a society that so readily allows the “deep pockets” to be fleeced.

    An individual is wronged, so lets gouge the taxpayer.

    That’s about as ugly as any other aspect of this case, except for the reality that this woman likely will not end up in prison, which she certainly should.

  6. I wonder if this state has a law that allows for compenstion for wrongful conviction. At least it would offer a small measure of restitution for him to begin to start over.

  7. “Good to see that the UK Daily Mail article carries photos of her so that others can recognize and negatively Social Preference her:”

    Something’s not adding up here. The Daily Mail has a photo of a black woman as being the alleged accuser, but Banks trial attorney told him to take the plea bargain because the jury would be less inclined to believe the word of a black man over a white girl.

  8. @puzzling, I listened from 1:45 to 2:30, and I am not sure I am hearing anything that says “incompetent counsel”. What I heard seems to be similar to what I’ve often heard in these circumstances.

    Anyway, I have it on good authority from feminists that false accusations of rape occur so infrequently that they are ignorable.

    Regardless of how false accusations of rape are a necessary Type II Error implication of what happens when you try to decrease Type I Errors down to 0 without considering the Type II Errors.

    It’s not news that some bitch lied about rape charges, it will be news when feminists start giving a damn about the rights of other people on the planet.

  9. I’m not one for putting folks in jail for every little thing but srsly, why isn’t she in jail yet?

  10. Vagina-boy: “It’s not news that some bitch lied…”
    ***

    You know, if you’re not selling you misogynistic commenting to the far right you should be, may as well make some money off your bigotry if you can stop playing with yourself long enough. The opportunity for a last sentence like that must really get you hot, such a *powerful* statement…. LOL.

  11. For those pushing jail time for Wanetta Gibson, consider that it would be at the taxpayer expense, just like her $1.5M “award” for the lies she so convincingly created. If she were shunned by the vast majority of people with whom she came in contact, she couldn’t manage very well at all. Shun means NO voluntary association – no sales, no service, no camaraderie, no anything including violence: ostracism from society.

    Until Wanetta demonstrates wilingness to and arranges to restitute Brain Banks – in the manner/amount he decides – AND the taxpayers of Long Beach Unified School District this is what she deserves. In a proper society – not the current one – this is what justice looks like. And in such a society everyone knows what are the social consequences – shunning and ostracism by those who assess their behavior as unacceptable. And when it’s public, everyone else is assessed for their own acts of shunning (and restitution requirements too). Kind of like the old small towns of generations past; the Internet makes it all possible.

  12. Hey LK, we reclaimed the word bitch, don’t you remember?

    But what I find funny is how many women are writing in to articles about this woman all over the net and calling her a bitch.

    There is nothing inherently misogynistic about my language. I didn’t say all women are bitches. I said “some bitch” referring to a specific woman who committed an act of violence against ALL MEN as can be seen by her eagerness to portray one man, falsely as a rapist, a sexual crime often attributed by feminists to all men. “Remember gals, all men are rapists” “All sex is rape”, “you will probably know your rapist”, “1 out of 4 women are raped”.

    So she commits a hate crime against men, I state this one woman is a bitch, you apologize for her, and yet, somehow, I am a misogynist, and her and your misandry just get a pass.

    Anyway, no bigotry here, but you might check your panties, to see what resides in them.

  13. Anon, that stuff about feminists being either in favor of false allegations or promulgating the myth that there is no such thing is absolutely WRONG. The fact is that every single false allegation hurts not only feminists and women in general, but SPECIFICALLY hurts each and every woman who has ever been raped. EVER!

    I feel more rage and indignation toward this female who has derogated an innocent man’s life and who has, also, hurt the cause of women who do not want real rapists to have excuses for their abuse than you can possibly imagine. And I am not just a feminist; I am an anti-misogynist. I believe that the hatred of women, and woman-blaming and woman-victimizing actually are the core problems that have led to a host of other problems from which our entire society suffers!

    Just as, as a Jew I hold Jews to a higher standard than other people, as a woman I hold women to a higher standard than men. When a woman does something like false accusing a man of rape, getting him imprisoned and his life destroyed to the max she can manage, profiting from it, etc., I personally feel like killing her! I would never act on that just as I would never act on personally wanting to kill men who do similar things to women, but the feeling is there, and I recognize it. I do not, however, enlarge it to conclude that other women, other than this rotten female killer-instinct-psychopath, are guilty of her crime.

    And my rage at this woman is, I feel, a rage on behalf of my sisters, especially those who have been raped.

  14. “For those pushing jail time for Wanetta Gibson, consider that it would be at the taxpayer expense, just like her $1.5M “award” for the lies she so convincingly created. If she were shunned by the vast majority of people with whom she came in contact, she couldn’t manage very well at all. Shun means NO voluntary association – no sales, no service, no camaraderie, no anything including violence: ostracism from society.”

    Yeah, that’s a great excuse to never imprison anyone.

    But we mostly hear that excuse when referring to women that sexually predate on men or otherwise perpetrate hate crimes against men:

    Here’s another example:

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Woman-gets-probation-for-sex-with-underage-3558020.php

    Woman gets probation for sex with underage neighbor

    A San Antonio woman who admitted to Child Protective Services investigators that she left her children unsupervised to go have sex with a 13-year-old neighbor was ordered Monday to serve deferred adjudication probation for aggravated sexual assault of a child.
    Prosecutors had recommended prison for Amanda Ann Nabers, 26, who will have to register as a sex offender for life.
    But she gave a full confession, she has already lost her children, her house and her job, and the victim’s family was in favor of probation, defense attorney Carlos Martinez told state District Judge Juanita Vasquez-Gardner.
    Nabers told authorities the trysts took place four or five times from February to August 2011 while she was high on marijuana and Xanax.
    Had Nabers been a man, she would more than likely be prison bound, but the wishes of the victim and his family play a large roll in determining the sentence, the judge said.

    These stories are just endless.

    As I said, some bitch making a false rape accusation is not news (nor is noting it bigotry). What is news is when feminists like Lottakatz and kittyantonikwakfer stop defending and encouraging this sort of bitch behavior.

  15. Malisha,

    Thank you for your words,

    The problem though is a survey of feminists sites brings out the “false rapes are so low as to be ignorable” meme time and time again.

    http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2009/09/apparently-we-need-to-discuss-false-reporting-again/

    That’s a typical example of a feminist site that says:

    1. Oh yes, false rapes are bad and damaging and of course we care about them of course we do, we do of course, and we shouldn’t ignore them, except, in fact,

    2. They occur so rarely we really should ignore them because only women haters bring up the problem of false rape accusations, and

    3. In fact, whenever we examine why a woman makes a false rape accusation, it really is the patriarchy that is to blame.

  16. That LIAR should have to do the 5 years that poor man had to do. The school district should sue for the $$ back as well as Brian suing her for stealing his youth & dreams. Time he will never get back. How do you go on with your daily life, put your head on your pillow knowing you put an innocent man in jail? Not knowing if at that given moment he could have been gettin abused himself. Shame on you. It’s because of low class, money hungry disgusting pigs like you that when women are truly raped they are not believed. Karma is a bitch and I truly hope you get yours 100 times over. Remember if you have children the sins of the parents pass on to your kids. SHAME ON YOU!!!!

  17. Anon, false accusations of rape that make it to prosecutions are actually rare. More common by far is police AND prosecutors assuming the allegations are false.

    More horrible yet by far are cases in which children are molested and then not only disbelieved, but handed over to their molesters. From that there is no escape and it is not uncommon and not remediable.

    Still, this woman has done unimaginable harm and I hate what she did, hate THAT she did it, and hate the possibility that she will escape punishment.

    I’m not going to do a bunch of research on which feminist websites say things you object to. I’m stating my position. Nobody pays my salary.

  18. Anon: “As I said, some bitch making a false rape accusation is not news (nor is noting it bigotry). What is news is when feminists like Lottakatz and kittyantonikwakfer stop defending and encouraging this sort of bitch behavior.”

    First of all, I don’t know that what this woman did was bigotry — maybe it was just lying for profit. She sounds to me like an opportunistic psychopath. (Remember Idealist didn’t think he’d met any female psychopaths? There are plenty of them!)

    Nobody encouraged “this sort of bitch behavior” unless there is some evidence that someone actually encouraged this woman to behave as she did. Where did you come up with that? That’s just nonsense!

    Someone believing that there are a lot of men who get off when they should be charged with rape, assault and other crimes is not “encouraging” someone to falsely accuse an innocent man of these crimes.

    Someone pointing out rightfully that false allegations of rape that make it to successful prosecution and false conviction are rare is not “encouraging” anyone to falsely accuse an innocent man of these crimes.

    If a Jew in Germany was NOT abused in 1933 but he believed others were, he would not have been “encouraged” to make false allegations by the fact that he believed his coreligionists had been victimized, either.

    Do you want people to stop believing what is proven, studied, confirmed, obvious and true because there are such things as liars in the world who will occasionally masquerade as people who were really harmed?

    The reality is that what this woman lied about, and what this man never did, DOES HAPPEN and we must never prevent people from either defending themselves against rape or from trying to get rapists punished because of a horrible atrocity miscarriage of justice like this.

  19. More horrible yet by far are cases in which children are molested and then not only disbelieved, but handed over to their molesters. From that there is no escape and it is not uncommon and not remediable.

    That is sad isn’t it.

    Statistics show though that young children are most endanger from the mother then the father….

    #7: Most child abuse and parental murder of children is committed by mothers, not� fathers.

    Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children, Youth, and Families, Child Maltreatment 1997: Reports from the States to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (Washington DC, :GPO, 1999). See: http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/publications/ncands97/s7.htm. Child abuse perpetrators are 62.3% female.� Child fatality perpetrators are 62.8% female. The mother/father ratio is actually greater than this, because many of the male abusers counted are not the biological fathers but instead step?fathers, boyfriends, etc.

    Source on murders of children by single parents: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, Third National Incidence Study Of Child Abuse and Neglect: Final Report Appendices (Washington D.C., U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, 1997, pp. A?63?A?64.� The estimated total is 264 parental murders of children committed by single custodial mothers and 11 by single custodial fathers.� There are roughly five times as many single custodial mothers as single custodial fathers.

    Source: Warren Farrell, Father and Child Reunion: How to Bring the Dads We Need to the Children We Love, Penguin Putnam Inc, 2001, pp 75-77.

    and

    #13: Children are 88% more likely to be seriously injured from abuse or neglect by their mothers than by their fathers.

    Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children, Youth, and Families, Child Maltreatment 1997: Reports from the States to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (Washington DC, :GPO, 1999).� It is discussed in Father and Child Reunion by Warren Farrell, page 76.

  20. “Nobody encouraged “this sort of bitch behavior” unless there is some evidence that someone actually encouraged this woman to behave as she did. Where did you come up with that? That’s just nonsense!”

    Yeah, so a famous management essay was entitled, “On the folly of rewarding A, while hoping for B” and micro-economicists and dog trainers would agree. If your incentives reward for bitchy behavior then you’re silly to expect non bitchy behavior even if you expect it.

    So when LK, and so many feminist sites state over and over that false rape accusations are trivial and ignorable and demand that anything and everything be called rape and then never can actually come out and condemn false accusers and demand they be jailed and have to pay restorations, when these people commonly insist (as happened during the Duke case) that the falsely accused are actually bettered by the false accusations, or that the penalties should be trivial because SHE’S A MOTHER and THINK OF THE CHILDREN, then yeah, what that really is is encouragement of false rape accusations. You’re soaking in it.

    If a Jew in Germany was NOT abused in 1933 but he believed others were, he would not have been “encouraged” to make false allegations by the fact that he believed his coreligionists had been victimized, either.

    If I said Sergeant Schultz had gassed Jews, I would be a terrible person because Sergeant Schultz was a guard at a prisoner of war camp where almost everyone and even Major Hochstetter was Jewish!

    Sorry, I didn’t actually understand your paragraph about Germany, but I loved Hogan’s Heroes.

  21. Anon – yet another line of objection to Gibson’s punishment is that “prosecuting Gibson would discourage other false accusers from confessing”

  22. “Anon – yet another line of objection to Gibson’s punishment is that “prosecuting Gibson would discourage other false accusers from confessing””

    Puzzling, that’s true, and yet I’m curious, are there any other crimes apart from when some bitch falsely accuses a man of a crime that we use this logic for?

    Yeah, if we throw bank robbers in jail it will keep other bank robbers from confessing.

    embezzlement? No.
    lying on resume? No.
    robbery? No.
    Actual rape? No.
    FALSELY ACCUSING A MAN OF RAPE: Yes
    speeding? No.
    mail fraud? No.
    Actual domestic violence? No.
    FALSELY ACCUSING A MAN OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: Yes
    murder? No.
    terrorism? No.
    Actual sexual harassment? No.
    FALSELY ACCUSING A MAN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT: Yes

    My suggestion is we promote a culture where both rape and making false accusations of rape are detestable, jailable offenses. And that we work to stop both rape and false accusations of rape before they occur.

    But I am kind of crazy and far out (and apparently a right winger) for suggesting such nonsense.

  23. Brooks got shafted. He had an attorney who gave him 10 minutes to make up his mind to plead “no contest” for 3 years or face a jury that would assume he was guilty and get 41 years. He got 5 or 6 years.

    This sounds like a public defender who meets the client as they enter the court room and, for the first time, reads the complaint. I’ve seen it. The public defenders that I’ve seen tend to be right out school and overloaded with cases that they’re ill-equipped to handle on the fly. Brooks isn’t the first innocent person to be railroaded by a plea deal pushed by a public defender who hasn’t the time or interest in taking on a real defense.
    —————
    His accuser is Black as well.

    I hope that USC will renew their offer of a scholarship.

    Rape is serious and many victims are not believed. However, a woman crying rape when there isn’t one, does all other real rape victims a serious disservice. Seems that there is reason for charges of filing a false report and fraud.

    Malisha has been talking about a corrupt and broken system. Here’s another example.

  24. Thanks for that one bettykath, I missed that one since I am fairly busy, but that is one judge I can do something about this coming election. I look forward to voting and speaking against this fool.

  25. This ‘BITCH’ needs to spend an equal amount of time in prison…. with a steel bottle brush shoved up her snatch!

  26. From the dailymail article (bettykath):

    Judge Lanny Moriarty ordered the exhausted student to pay a $100 fine and spend 24 hours in jail as a lesson.

    Parents of children who miss excessive amounts of school may also be prosecuted.

    ‘If you let one [truant student] run loose, what are you gonna’ do with the rest of ’em? Let them go too?’ asked Judge Moriarty.

    He had warned her last month to stop missing her classes.

    ========

    Thanks for posting that article, bettykath. The judge is a …. (well, I’ll leave it up to the imagination).

    I know of a similar situation, but the high school senior’s absences were “excused” because her guardian believed that there were extreme, extenuating circumstances, which I’ll omit. Furthermore, the young person to whom I’m referring was enrolled in AP classes, and maintained an A average, wiht a smattering of A pluses. She was also active in numerous extracurricular activities. She missed at least 60 days of school her senior year.

    The young girl about whom I’m speaking is now a third-year medical student and teaches martial arts (which she “took up” during her undergrad years.)

    The moral of the story is that sometimes “you’ve just gotta break (or bend) the rules.” This judge is an authoritarian prick. There. I said it.

  27. kittyantonikwakfer,

    “Shunning?” You’ve got to be kidding me!

    So, she’s not tried or convicted? No due process” Just “shunned?”

    Your definition: “Shun means NO voluntary association – no sales, no service, no camaraderie, no anything including violence: ostracism from society.”

    Who will be “the deciders”, bettykath? You? Your neighbors?

  28. His lawyer at the time of his plea is getting some degree of adverse discourse here. Let us dig into this and see if he was a public defender or what his income approach to the law was. The last tidbit just before the plea could be true of any plea. The defendant could still be making up his mind in the last five minutes. Maybe the offer was on the table for five minutes only. The judge is culpable for this plea too. He/she should inquire how long the plea had been on the table; how competent is the counsel for defendant; how credible is the so called victim. Yes the judge can be in a hurray to move his/her docket. For what purpose? To get to lunch?

    When there is no forensic evidence to support a rape allegation then there should be some forensic evidence to support the so called victim’s Word. Here she is giving the world the finger. The Bird Is The Word. What is wrong with a forensic psychiatric examination and a lie detector examination in this situation? A series of interviews with her siblings, school mates from grade school and high school to get the low down would help. Oh, that takes up precious county resources you might say. Well, the one million five was precious and so was the money spent to keep this victim in jail for five years and pay all of his beepers, handlers, probation schmucks, ankle bracelet monitors, knee jerk parole officers…..

    I would wager that this accuser is already a known perp and skunk in the neighborhood where she resides as far as the local dog pack is concerned. Someone should report in if they are neighbors to detect how much dog poop is in her yard. The cops should employ one of their police dogs to interview so called victims like this bitch. Hey, bitch is a dog word and I have cultural privilege.

  29. I would be curious to know, how many other languages, what other cultures have words like bitch, used for one, to define the certain sociopathic behaviors of many women, as well as seemingly deriving from a term used to define the behaviors of female animals.

    How does bitch translate into Spanish, French, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, Russian, Elvish, or Kiingoni?

    Did these languages have words like bitch prior to introduction to English speakers?

    Do matriarchal societies have words like bitch?

    Do any of these languages or cultures have similar words that would refer to the sociopathic behaviors of men (like asshole, bastard, …)

    Depending on the results, perhaps it would help us understand a bit more about nature versus nurture.

    a) Do most societies recognize that some women are bitches?
    b) Is it just mostly western women that have turned into bitches?
    c) What are the societies in which the fewest women are bitches?

    Perhaps lottakatz, we could work together on this.

  30. anon, thanks for taking on the use of bitch. It’s in several posts here (including yours) and I find it offensive. The young woman certainly did something for which she should be held accountable, but name calling just doesn’t help anyone’s argument with me. In fact, I’m more likely to discount the argument.

    anon nurse, “Who will be “the deciders”, bettykath? You? Your neighbors?” I’m not sure why I’m included here. Maybe you think I’m too judgmental?

  31. Once again, isn’t it the responsibility of our law enforcement officials for prosecuting known criminal acts when they become knowledgably of them? Should “We the People” have a system to input a grand jury at our request when our officials fail to act?

  32. anon, thank you for pointing out the obvious below. Well put. And true. Malisha we should hold Human Kind to a higer standard not ethnicity, religion or sexes. I do.

    Malisha,

    Thank you for your words,

    The problem though is a survey of feminists sites brings out the “false rapes are so low as to be ignorable” meme time and time again.

    http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2009/09/apparently-we-need-to-discuss-false-reporting-again/

    That’s a typical example of a feminist site that says:

    1. Oh yes, false rapes are bad and damaging and of course we care about them of course we do, we do of course, and we shouldn’t ignore them, except, in fact,

    2. They occur so rarely we really should ignore them because only women haters bring up the problem of false rape accusations, and

    3. In fact, whenever we examine why a woman makes a false rape accusation, it really is the patriarchy that is to blame.

  33. @bettykath

    “anon, thanks for taking on the use of bitch. It’s in several posts here (including yours) and I find it offensive.”

    Once upon a time, I had an anthropology minor.

    I find it interesting how much the word “bitch” is hated.

    Actually in my non anon blog life, I really and truly never use the word because I find it mostly offensive and bullshit. I don’t even describe my ex wife has a bitch. When I have described my ex wife’s actions to many people, and mostly to women (including therapists), they almost all universally call her a bitch (including therapists.)

    So I question why, when so many women are happy to use the word bitch, and believe it accurately describes my ex’s behavior and that of other women, why should I find it so unreasonable to use the word bitch myself?

    One of the first women I heard use “bitch” in reference to other women was an engineer, and also a dog trainer. Needless to say, considering when this woman had gone to school to be an engineer, (in the old fields nonetheless) that she was fairly liberated. But she used it and explained specifically the traits she saw in some women and how that related to the traits she saw in some of the female dogs she trained.

    So it does make me curious in an anthropological, cross cultural sort of way, have other cultures had this word or a similar word, especially matriarchal societies.

    Perhaps it would actually inform us more about nature vs. nurture, about the genetic heritage of women, or the cultural baggage, or the poisons of western society, or perhaps whether we (including feminists) are wrong to find the word itself objectionable. Maybe it’s a fine word to describe certain female behaviors, and it’s just specific instances of it that are used in an objectionable manner.

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  34. Any form of false imprisonment is unconsionable and in my opinon one of the greatest injustices which some treat as colateral damage. One of the reasons, I’m opposed to capital punishment. Just think of murdering an innocent person. I’m not opposed to killing a murders if he’s guilty. I just can’t trust the State to work without error.

    Kind of a problem when society and even those within the justice system are afraid to go up against those in positions of legal power.

  35. Regarding my error, bettykath…

    It should have read:

    Who will be “the deciders”, kittyantonikwakfer? You? Your neighbors?

    Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Thanks for pointing it out. (I’m doing my annual, “let’s shed a few” cleanse/fast and have been feeling a little lightheaded, from time to time. I was thinking about you because of some of your spot on comments.

  36. For those who did not understand (or chose to ignore) what I wrote regarding shunning, I will repeat and expand:
    “And in such a society [one of justice] everyone knows what are the social consequences – shunning and ostracism by those who assess their behavior as unacceptable. And when it’s public, everyone else is assessed for their own acts of shunning (and restitution requirements too). Kind of like the old small towns of generations past; the Internet makes it all possible.”

    The above *clearly* includes the answer to “Who will be “the deciders”, bettykath? You? Your neighbors?” -Those who think Wanetta Gibson’s actions were/are reprehensible/unacceptable. If someone thinks Wanetta’s (or anyone else’s) behavior/acts are acceptable, then s/he would not shun her. And PLEASE note that I also stated that when the shunning is publicly noted, those doing the shunning – or not shunning – are also transparent for the assessment of voluntary association by everyone else.

    This entire process of social evaluation of all by all is one I and Paul Wakfer refer to as Social Preferencing, both negative and positive – the latter being preferential association with those who produce/demonstrate value to the assessor.

    Evaluating products and services for usage or not has been a long time practice by everyone, most everywhere. It is now quite possible to do the same for people most everywhere and has the potential for being the ultimate effector of social order: http://selfsip.org/solutions/Social_Preferencing.html However, until anonymity is recognized to be an obstacle to social order (thought by very many – ?most? – at this time stlll to be impossible without the enormously heavy hand of governments/rulers) and *not* an enhancement to one’s interactions nor promoter of maximization of Lifetime Happiness, there will continue to be the social disorder seen, with increases in degree and frequency commonplace. (Additional article links at end of above provided essay. Public critiques are welcome but not on here on Jonathan Turley’s blog. Let me know where :)

  37. anon nurse,

    “I was thinking about you because of some of your spot on comments.”

    I appreciate the compliment. Sorry I missed it before.

  38. Having read through for the first time here’s my take.

    ANON is off on his misogynist trail again. He should realize that he should get more therapy, and stop frequenting “feminist” blogs. I hope he has sufficient self-awareness to realize the truth in what I suggest to him.

    And just to come with my usual “it’s better in Sweden”:
    In Sweden, anyone who does jail time or is even held without bail unjustly can count of BIG money from the public pocket. So there is definitely a deterrent to false accusations or findings.

    We have had some grave cases however here. Notably, a willing pleader to several murders which was used by a prosecutor who should have been fired 20 years ago for various major faults as a leader of specialist units (economic crimes).

    The best attorneys are the ones who act as public defenders, not the newly admitted to the bar.

    As for bitches, I would not even call my old dog Skippy by that name. If you’re gonna use it, define it at least.
    “Oh, everybody knows……” Yeah, that you’re sick in the heart and head. Poor man.

  39. Compensation to victims are claimed against the perp, but often paid by the state as most perps are penniless.
    The amounts are very modest. Never so much as here given.
    That in my opinion is too modest here, in relation to the damage done to a life by rape, or domestic violence.

  40. Think of rape as the ursurpation of an women right to live in peace. Than apply that usurpation to our entire culture. It not hard to understand why there are so many rapes .If we socially allow the usupation of one right, then it opens the door for all rights to be usurped. The question is what do you consider the usurpation of an individual right. Is the Federal Inbcome Tax a usurpation? Is a permit to remodel your bathroom. Is a DUI when the defendent has not harmed anyone? Are all malum prohibitum laws usurpations?

  41. Skiprob, I think your questions are important because in American law, although there is plenty of litigation of property interests and liberty interests, there is NO litigation of life interests.

    There was a judge in some Southern state (I can’t remember which one but possibly Arkansas or Alabama) who was basically THE judge in a one-judge town. Whenever he had custody cases in front of him he would take the mothers into chambers and basically tell them they would lose custody unless they gave him a blow job. He got a lot of blow jobs and he awarded custody (and child support) to a lot of women. At one point in his career, however, he did this to a woman who then managed to get a complaint to some Assistant US Attorney who for reasons best known to himself or herself actually came down on the good jurist like a ton of bricks, gathering statements and charging him with a criminal violation of the civil rights law for depriving these women of their constitutional rights under color of state law. He (or she) said that ruling on a case rightly or wrongly did not trip the wire for criminal conduct, but requiring sex for a favorable ruling did, even though it took place in the courthouse.

    Yada yada.

    He got convicted or he pled, I don’t remember which.

    THEN he got the whole thing overturned either on appeal or habeas!

    Why? Because when he had the women in chambers on their knees, they were NOT being restrained of their liberty because they were still free to get up, refuse to perform, and leave. THEN if they happened to lose custody, they could not PROVE that he had unlawfully deprived them of custody because the custody decision was within his discretion as a trial judge, and not to be overturned unless there was “no evidence in the record.” There could never, of course, be a lack of evidence in the record because all the judge had to refer to as evidence was testimony that he thought was credible. So if he wanted to take custody away from a mother, he could consider her ex-husband’s testimony credible no matter what he said, and he could then pronounce that it was in the best interests of the children to be in their fathers’ sole custody without contact with mom. Think of it, nothing would be wrong with that because he also did not deprive the mother of her liberty interest at THAT point in the proceedings. Her “liberty interest” in custody of her children was dependent upon the judge’s assessment of the children’s best interests!

    So I looked at that case (years back). I realized that BECAUSE the life interest (international law calls certain manifestations of it “security of person” at times) is missing from American law, some cases cannot work their way into the equations that can be used to distill evidence and present claims. A judge is not taking ANYTHING away from a mother when he says, “Suck my dick or lose your kids,” because she had no liberty or property interest in either mothering her kids or “having a nice day” without the judge’s penis in her mouth.

    This may seem like a nasty example but it is a pretty clear one.

  42. And just to come with my usual “it’s better in Sweden”:
    In Sweden, anyone who does jail time or is even held without bail unjustly can count of BIG money from the public pocket. So there is definitely a deterrent to false accusations or findings.

    This is not a deterrent to the bitch making false accusations.

    Compensation to victims are claimed against the perp, but often paid by the state as most perps are penniless.

    This is not a deterrent to the bitch making false accusations.

    ANON is off on his misogynist trail again. He should realize that he should get more therapy, and stop frequenting “feminist” blogs. I hope he has sufficient self-awareness to realize the truth in what I suggest to him.

    You should probably take a few courses in economics and psychology and parenting.

    Misogyny? Me? I have no idea what you’re talking about. I haven’t said a single misogynist thing. Using the word bitch is not a sign of misandry. We reclaimed that.

    Status quo misandry? You’re soaking in it.

  43. Using the word bitch is not a sign of misogyny. We reclaimed that.

    Fixed that.

    Seriously though, there are way too many authors and feminists proudly using the word bitch for it to be defacto misogynist.

    I am using the word here to describe specific women that are actively engaging in oppression of men.

    You should not cover up their hate crimes with a tone argument that you dislike the word bitch. You should expose their hate crimes for what they are: sociopathic misandry.

    If you don’t do this, you are enabling these hate crimes and encouraging them.

    You should consider for a moment what gender equality is, and ask if it is the permission for one gender to oppress the other.

  44. anon, I consider the use of the word to be name calling and one that doesn’t advance any argument. It’s a red flag word with the purpose to inflame. If that’s your purpose, use it.

  45. kittyantonikwakfer, The problem with shunning is that it only works in small and insular groups where one doesn’t have a good alternative to staying in. At one time shunning or expulsion from an enclave of like-minded individuals was very likely a death sentence. Times have changed and so have demographics and opportunities. Give it a couple of weeks or months because memories are short, move to a different neighborhood or city, change your name if needed. That’s all it takes. Shunning worked in the 17th and 18th century in America and even now in some insular groups like the Amish but not today in any effective way.

  46. Anon, “men are oppressed” and “whites are oppressed” and the similar claims of people who do not think they are being treated completely fairly at all times (especially if they believe they have the god-given right to be treated a little more fairly than lesser beings might at certain times) are tired and essentially worthless arguments. So long as people carry on about actually being held accountable for things when no other rational process could begin to redress wrongs already perpetrated, there will be the “I am being unjustly blamed for the world’s ills” cry echoing all over the halls of lost privilege. Whereas it is much easier to blame our major social problems on bitches, Jews or assholes, here we are with a situation in which YES, although some women are very bad, the general idea that women are bad will not work any longer and YES, although some Jews are greedy, the general idea that the world’s economic problems are the result of the greedy Jews will not work any longer and YES, although some people are assholes, it no longer works to just kill some asshole to serve the world’s problems.

    So the feminists have a very strong point in saying that any men (who are predisposed to finding fault with women because a “bitch” in their background has hurt them) who believe the bad behavior of a certain woman should be proof of the inherent evil of womankind are far wrong, far from the mark, and are feeding the flames of a form of human hatred that has probably given rise to the worst atrocities our culture produces.

  47. “Anon, “men are oppressed” and “whites are oppressed” and the similar claims of people who do not think they are being treated completely fairly at all times (especially if they believe they have the god-given right to be treated a little more fairly than lesser beings might at certain times) are tired and essentially worthless arguments”

    Malisha, that just doesn’t fly.

    This woman actively engaged, as a rational adult, in the oppression of this football player using a sexual charge knowing full well she was lying but that she would be believed because she is a privileged female.

    THIS IS OPPRESSION.

    All the politically correct malarkey that men cannot be oppressed, that whites cannot be oppressed, that people of color cannot be bigots, is just that, politically correct malarkey.

    You have a real example of a rational capable woman exploiting the system to oppress a man, send him to jail, and profit.

    I honestly don’t know how you can call that anything other than oppression.

  48. Skiprob, Re: LIFE INTEREST.

    The case is United States versus David Lanier (he’s the judge/defendant), decided January, 1996. Citation = 73 Federal Reporter 3rd, 1380 (Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals) out of Tennessee. (I guessed Alabama or Arkansas, sorry. I probably forgot some of the other details too.)

  49. “So the feminists have a very strong point in saying that any men (who are predisposed to finding fault with women because a “bitch” in their background has hurt them) who believe the bad behavior of a certain woman should be proof of the inherent evil of womankind are far wrong, far from the mark, and are feeding the flames of a form of human hatred that has probably given rise to the worst atrocities our culture produces.”

    Then we are in completely agreement, because repeatedly, I have stressed I am not talking about all women, I am talking specifically about the bitches that oppress men. And you should not be defending them!

    ON THE OTHERHAND, ASK A FEMINIST about the role of one man, any man, and they act as if all men were 1%ers leading companies, elected to office, harassing women they hire, raping women they employ. ANY MAN CAN BE A RAPIST. EVERYMAN IS CAPABLE OF RAPE. WE LIVE IN A PATRIARCHAL RAPE CULTURE.

    So take your nonsense about how feminists are upset with how some men might generalize and shove it, because the entire feminist liturgy is one huge generalization about the evils of men after another.

  50. Lottakatz, shunning works in those small, enclosed, insular Orthodox Jewish communities in, say, Brooklyn. It is used, unfortunately, to punish women for trying to speak up for the rights of women or children, or against members of the community who protest real verifiable intolerable wrongs that the community wants them to hide because of “disgrace before the gentiles,” and so forth. It works to make the community more abusive to its weakest members, rather than to protect anyone except abusers.

    Oh, occasionally we have a case where it punishes someone who is really, morally and otherwise strong. A plumber who insisted that it was his right to go to an old age home to pray with an elderly congregant who could not walk miles on Sabbath was firebombed because he wouldn’t cave in to shunning and other coercive techniques. A mother who insisted that her daughter should not be taken away from her and adopted was not only shunned but nearly had her daughter killed outright to punish her for disobedience to the will of an obvious abuser. Stuff like that. But as a concept, shunning is great, although no longer practicable.

  51. The top four items of KTLA (Channel 5 in LA) RSS feed:

    1. Missing Girls Found Safe, Mother Arrested on suspicion of child endangerment after she left her daughters with a stranger identified as “CC” on Wednesday.

    2. Police Officer’s Ex-Wife Booked on Murder Charge

    3. Beachgoers Beware: Dangerous Rip Tides Expected

    4. Young Mother Gets Prison for Beating 4-year-old to Death

    I’ll add I just found out my niece’s mother just drove off to Texas abandoning my niece who now lives exclusively with my brother.

    I’m not blaming all women for the horrible behaviors of some, but it’s bigotry to ignore the problem these bitches cause the world or to say that labeling the sociopathic behaviors of these women constitutes misogyny.

    Labeling a sociopathic behavior of a female misanthrope is not misogyny.

  52. Of course many women love to use the silent treatment on men. Somehow it is wrong if “he hits” but okay if “she gives him the silent treatment”.

    The silent treatment is not much different from shunning, and both the silent treatment and shunning are recognized as mental abuse.

  53. Take a look at the videos that ended my teaching career when some of my female students employed their mothers to call the school and complain I was trying to film them for prurient reasons. Some others twittered about it later bragging about getting me fired. I can easily believe there are numerous false accusations of rape after seeing what I’ve seen.

    http://teacherhunt.blogspot.com/2011/11/student-inventor-projects.html

    http://teacherhunt.blogspot.com/2011/11/blog-post.html

  54. Just for the record:

    I don’t feel I have the answers to the world’s problems, but as someone said to me: “If we all acted like true mothers, then all would be well.” I haven’t any more encompassing solution than that.

    I did not begin my world as a philogynist. I started as a misanthrope and developed as a teenager into a misogynist who still sought eagerly the company of women. Twenty years later and a number of assault cases, I began to see my problem.

    Now it so happened, how I don’t know, that my view included seeing women as the constant universal victim of patriarchal societies. I gave this no active interests, but having open eyes, I “saw” more and more over the years: And here at JT’s I am amazed at the degree with which it is deployed in the INJUSTICE system.

    ANON may accuse women of dirty tactics, as these are
    the methods developed over the centuries as PRIMARY DEFENSES against the powers of the man.

    Such male prerogatives as perenptorial divorcing with retention of the children, forcing return of the former wife to her parent’s home, a “failure”, unmarriangeable, a burden, etc.

    Choose your society, the practices are there. The most obvous ones are denial or being a “person” with ownership rights (France), denial of suffrage (many), etc.

    So if you are a victim of mistreatemt by a woman, feel exclusive. You are definitely in the minority. Or think instead: Did I perhaps DESERVE this “bitchly” tactic?

    Now I will conclude, for now, by saying that much needs to be done here in America to right the systemic oppression of women.

    The corporations had discovered they were good workers and took them into use in WW2. And so it has continued, so now a MAN cannot support a family on his own salary any more. He needs a working wife. But this was not meant to free the woman, only to enslave her, and more easily control her children. But now am OT.

    As for ANON, he is free to use this instead of therapy. and a vent hole. I use it for these purposes, and others. But I don’t rail against men as such, not even the “son’s a bitches”.
    Without this place I don’t think I would kill anybody—
    BUT YOU MIGHT. Think about it. I don’t know you, and vv.
    That’s a fact we both face.

  55. Brook,
    Either you’re a prurient old man or you are the victim of girls learning to use a sick system.
    My condolences whatever you are.

    But I don’t see this as a gender problem, centered on girls becoming women. I see other societal problems. This is a symptom of them instead.
    But joint honing (expression of verbal disdain?) of a man in the village as he walks by a group of women, or tha same of a bus driver in Morocco by women passengers are ancient traditions, now in modern forms

    But our system offers more choices and a chance to exert the power of the system if you know the buttons to push.

    Of course you should have asked for permission. Why did you not do so? You are out of touch, which I am too and sympathize therefore.

    You are not a savvy teacher; one who would not make the big mistake of giving them a project in the last days of school. Wha’!!! Are you serious? They are not there escept in body only, especially nowadays in these times.

    You are perhaps out of step with modern education, where serious learning does not come up in practice.
    Who knows?

    That is for others to decide who have kids in school there.

  56. QUOTE
    “So I looked at that case (years back). I realized that BECAUSE the life interest (international law calls certain manifestations of it “security of person” at times) is missing from American law, some cases cannot work their way into the equations that can be used to distill evidence and present claims. A judge is not taking ANYTHING away from a mother when he says, “Suck my dick or lose your kids,” because she had no liberty or property interest in either mothering her kids or “having a nice day” without the judge’s penis in her mouth.

    This may seem like a nasty example but it is a pretty clear one.
    UNQUOTE Malisha from above.

    This is so heinious that it requires a cooldown to addresz this in even this small way.

    In Sweden, this would be classified as a violation of integrity, in addition to the judicial malfeasance involved.
    A very seriously regarded crime here. Rape is classed also in this category.
    The hardening of the law re rape is primarily a blooming of this concept of personal integrity.

    One wonders how or if knowledge amomg women litigants did not spread to be used or abused. Did he always deliver after receiving the bribe, is of course pertinent?

    And also when and where were the blowjobs given? In chambers or out? Why did none of them do a reverse Monica Lewinsky on him. Id est, spot his semen on his pants.
    Or better evidencewise, on her own clothing, run out of chambers screaming rape. A couple of repetitions of that would definitely fix him well. And the Monica would be given a new “female” judge who liked cunnilingus, just as revenge from the system’s side. Justice is unattainable??

    A last twist, what if the judge had been addicted to blowjobs given by men. What irony, or some would say justice. How long before the judge would have caught a bullet is a speculation, as to social choices available and those chosen in our society.

  57. Hey ID,

    So much of what you write is both well written, and then totally off target.

    The corporations had discovered they were good workers and took them into use in WW2. And so it has continued, so now a MAN cannot support a family on his own salary any more. He needs a working wife. But this was not meant to free the woman, only to enslave her, and more easily control her children. But now am OT.

    1. Yes it is true and a complete crime against society that now it takes two salaries to support a family.

    2. This is not a war of oppression against women, but a war against society, using our own greed against us. So that when feminism demanded places in the workforce, corporations gave women those places, and corporations, and our own greed acted together to reduce salaries since there were now a surplus of workers, but also to throw out the old norms of what made for a successful home and dramatically increase the prices and standards, so we all need new homes, new cars, trips around the world, the newest toys, the newest fashions, the newest tvs, etc.

    3. EVEN YOUR OWN WORDING IS HORRIBLY SEXIST

    a MAN cannot support a family on his own salary any more. He needs a working wife.

    A FAMILY CANNOT SUPPORT ITSELF ON THE HUSBAND’S SALARY. BOTH PARENTS NEED TO WORK.

  58. “So if you are a victim of mistreatemt by a woman, feel exclusive. You are definitely in the minority. Or think instead: Did I perhaps DESERVE this “bitchly” tactic?”

    A. You are blaming the victim.

    B. You write elsewhere of how these are ancient traditions of women

    C. Did Brooks as a teacher deserve this? How did Brooks deserve to lose his career?

  59. “I started as a misanthrope and developed as a teenager into a misogynist who still sought eagerly the company of women. Twenty years later and a number of assault cases, I began to see my problem.”

    You appear to be yet another individual jackass who cannot stand the evils you on your own did to other humans, and so you rationalize your horrible behaviors by blaming it on all men.

    It’s not idealist whose is at fault, what idealist could ever be at fault? It is society that is at fault, it is men that are at fault.

    Take ownership for your own crap please. Do not blame me or Brooks or any other men for the horrors you inflicted on women.

  60. Anon, the fact that there are now (some to many) women doing things (to men among others) just as bad as what MANY men have been doing in much greater numbers with much greater privilege (that is, not getting punished for it) for millennia doesn’t change the fact that this is an abusive, exploitive patriarchal culture that has only been able to change slowly (and now is changing slowly BACK and perhaps getting even WORSE) by the actions of people who were willing to risk life and limb to make it change, and who have come under enormous criticism (at the very least) for calling a spade a spade as they did so. Feminists, abolitionists, unionists, etc. included. You DO exhibit misogyny when you generalize from this woman who committed these crimes against the innocent man imprisoned for rape. She exploited a piece of the culture (changing from “it’s always the girl’s fault no matter what” to “maybe he did do what she claims”) to lie, cheat and steal, and to destroy someone. That is not unusual in and of itself and that is not typical of women, even if you like to think of them as “bitches.”

    Real rape is under-reported. The actual prevalence of rape, and the actual destruction it does in the lives of women, is unknown, and will never be known, because we have a society in which a woman who really HAS been raped can end up being thought of as if she were a bitch like THIS WOMAN FEATURED HERE ON THIS THREAD even though she is nothing but a harmless victim of violence. You have seen fit to tell me that I should not be defending this woman, featured here on this thread.

    Where did you get the idea that I was defending this woman? From my comment that I would like to kill her? Tell me! Here, let me quote myself:

    “I personally feel like killing her!”

    The women I was defending, and still am defending, are the FEMINISTS. They are the ones who have stood on the front lines, braving the hatred of misogynists, to say: “This is wrong and if you don’t like us saying so, that’s your problem because we are not backing off or slinking away because of your foolish idea that we are not allowed to speak for ourselves unless each one of us is the Virgin Mary.”

    By the way, your sprinkling of headlines did not impress me because it is much easier to get a headline about “evil done by women” than it is to get an old, worn, not-news-at-all headline about “evil done by men to women” under the “man bites dog” principle. In fact, I wish the national crime statistics agencies would conduct name recognition studies in the big cities. You will probably find that people REMEMBER female criminals who commit the bit crimes while they have no recognition of the names of male criminals who have committed the same crimes in the same time period. (It would have to be analogous crimes, such as killing spouse, killing child, etc.) And of course, with rape or sexual abuse, even more so. And male false allegations against women are not news either. In Harford County, Maryland, a father accused the mother of his child of sexually abusing her and the prosecutor brought 28 felony charges against her, held her on 10 million dollars bail, kept her in jail for 13 months, and then had to drop all the charges for “NO EVIDENCE.” While she was in jail her two-month-old baby died of neglect in foster care. Then when the father realized she could again get visitation with her child, he “relocated” to Brazil so there would be no visitation. False allegation? Ruination of at least one life? All that, yes, but headlines? No. Oh sure, there were headlines when she was considered a female pedophile, and Screamin Demon was all over it, with people threatening to burn down the jail she was in. But when the charges were just dropped because there was no evidence? NOT ONE HEADLINE ANYWHERE and the mother’s friends and supporters were told to NOT bring the press to the court proceeding or she would not be allowed out of jail, but would have further problems with trumped up charges.

    Never reached the papers.

    No, Anon, you cannot blame the feminists for what this woman has done. I would like to see the courts, however, blame the WOMAN for what she has done. But with our courts, of course, one cannot count on that at all. Usually, abusers get away with everything they do.

  61. ANON may accuse women of dirty tactics, as these are
    the methods developed over the centuries as PRIMARY DEFENSES against the powers of the man.

    Such male prerogatives as perenptorial divorcing with retention of the children, forcing return of the former wife to her parent’s home, a “failure”, unmarriangeable, a burden, etc.

    This is a poor an inaccurate ahistorical reading.

    The most that can be said about this is that this is a consequence of douchebag lawyers evolving tactics over the years to keep gaming the system.

    In the 19th century, perhaps, many or perhaps most fathers that could afford to go to court did retain custody of the kids.

    Then came the Tender Years Doctrine from the late 19th Century to the mid to late 20th Century which reversed that and explicitly placed children in the tender years into the mother’s house, exclusively.

    And then when Tender Years was found to be unconstitutional, came the Best Interests of the Child doctrine, which basically allowed a judge to do any damn thing he or she wanted to do regardless of the Constitution by claiming it was in the best interests of the child.

    And now finally, and too late for me, we are starting to see more and more states adopting “rebuttal presumption of joint shared custody”.

    Idealist, I usually look forward to what you write, but your history here is terribly off, and you are terribly misinformed.

  62. Take a look here

    http://glennsacks.com/blog/?page_id=1000

    Which enumerates the claims below and provides citations for all of them

    #18: “Men win custody in only 10% of contested custody cases”
    (Note: To avoid confusion: the sources below do not all indicate 10%–some indicate 15 or 20%, some indicate less than 5%.� As a whole, the average is around 10%.)

    #19: The commonly cited factoid that “men win custody half of the time or more when they contest it” is a myth.

    and

    #1: “Two?thirds or more of all divorces involving couples with children are initiated by mothers, not fathers.”

    #5: “Domestic violence research overwhelmingly shows that women are just as likely as men to initiate and engage in domestic violence, and that only a small percentage of women’s domestic violence is committed in self?defense.� Studies show that women often compensate for their smaller size by their significantly greater use of weapons and the element of surprise.”

    #8: Access and Visitation Denial Three-quarters of divorced fathers surveyed maintain that their ex-spouses have substantially interfered with their visitation rights.

    A study of children of divorce found that 42% of children who lived solely with their mother reported that their mother tried to prevent them from seeing their fathers after the divorce. However, only 16% of children who lived solely with their father reported similar obstruction.

    In another study, 40% of divorced mothers admitted that they had interfered with their ex-husband’s access or visitation, and that their motives were punitive in nature and not due to safety considerations.

    #17: Other fathers have suffered at the hands of “move?away moms” who permit or even use geography to drive fathers out of their children’s lives.

  63. Idealist, if you believed in gender equality, you would not engage in rationalizing the horrors one gender might inflict on the other by labeling it historical retribution. You would demand that each person in society own their shit, take responsibility for it, and stop exploiting others.

  64. Anon, every man who wants to get custody and who does not get custody can certainly claim that he has a case that proves that (a) courts are prejudiced against men; and (b) terrible mothers who should never have custody can certainly beat wonderful fathers who should; and (c) bitches are really mean to nice guys.

    Does this show that the feminists are wrong to advocate for equality and justice for women, and to insist upon punishment for men who have committed crimes against women? Or is this just another way to say something akin to “The Jews caused the Holocaust, which by the way didn’t really happen,” such as we have seen on other threads?

    The meanness, badness and bitchiness of women did not create the situation that we find ourselves in, which is one of male prerogative to economically disadvantage, exploit, and sexually abuse large numbers of women who have done nothing to deserve mistreatment. What created this situation was, instead, the meanness, badness, and “bitchiness” of men in large numbers who found it easier to dominate and abuser WOMEN than to go out into the world and try that tactic with other men who might very likely kill them for their efforts.

    As to Brook, all I can understand by watching the clips is that he did not get written permission from kids to videotape them before doing a project that looks pretty disorganized and chaotic to me, and then he got some girls (whom he calls “ladies”) on the wrong side of him somehow, either due to his prior history with them or their “bitchiness,” or some combination of that, and that it went down badly for him and his lawyer was (surprise surprise!) no damn good. Another thing that occurred to me when I saw the video clips and read his captions was that he spoke in a pretty derogatory way about the girls’ projects and their classroom behavior. I wondered this: If he didn’t have permission to film them, and got fired for that, then how did he get permission to put up these video-clips on-line? That’s totally weird.

    I know a doctor in New Jersey who was defrocked, deprived of his medical license, because a patient made false claims against him. He had a so-so lawyer on the first round, who said that an appeal would cost $100,000 but it would probaly win, but the guy was so sickened by the court system that he chose not to appeal, and as a result, he just went on to make another life for himself. It is my personal opinion that the patient (SHE WAS A WOMAN) who brought the action against him was wrong and even bad, but he did not manage to conclude from that experience that women are natural liars, that allegations (and these were not sexual) against doctors are false, or any of that. He DID CONCLUDE that the court system is FUBAR. He DID conclude that he wants nothing more to do with the court system, ever in life.

    A friend of mine is a Montessori teacher. She uses video to great and wonderful effect in her classroom. She does it in accordance with all the standard procedures employed by her school and never has a problem.

    Brook concludes that he can easily believe there are many false allegations of rape, seeing what he has seen. That may be, and it does not excuse what this woman did to the man who was sent to prison for five years, and it does not excuse rape, and it does not diminish the good work of the feminists who have worked so hard to prevent rape. After seeing the ins and outs of the Zimmerman case, I now believe that there are probably many young Black men who have been killed by “fine upstanding citizens” in various small towns all across this nation, without the slightest punishment having been dealt out to their killers, and without the media ever finding out about the situation.

  65. Seems like a civil action is in line against the now woman….. People don’t realize how many people plead to rape cases just to avoid a possible life sentence……

  66. Gotta love prosecutors. Don’t think one of them in the country has a soul. All they care about is convictions not guilt or innocence. Our criminal justice system is beyond broken. BTW when is the the girl going to jail? Yea right….

  67. ANON,

    If you kept it together it might be worth answering.
    But take the point on history: take almost any country or areas history and you will see what I wrote about. You
    are quite simply ill-informed on this. The example I came with was from India, taken from Ananda Roy’s book “Small Gods”. Now tell me she was lying and then I’ll know you are nuts.

    The bit about a MAN can’t support his family on his salary, was a deliberate parody on the masculine pride that men used to be able to pump up their egos with.
    Not an expression of one-eyed view of society or prejudice on my part.

    I strive now to better my clarity (do I hear applause?), but obviously irony is difficult to convey unless you’re on the same wavelength, and not always even then.

    As for standing each for his own shit, fine, but that is an ideal. I am dealing with the reality which has existed for thousands of years. Which today still expresses itself in “boy” gangs among even grown men. Saw a group of them last night at a restaurant, all over 35. Would I like to join them? What the hell would we talk about is a better question.

    The boy gangs vs “women” still exert a sickeningly prejudicial effect on this society. I put “women” in quotes (I will explain) as these boys don’t even have an idea of what women really are. Most never got past sniggering, watching porno, and being tired of wifely complaints.

    I will close, but there is more to be answered. But are you worth it? From the results so far, I doubt it.

    And for those that abstain because ANON is mentally defective, I say: Have him committed in which case. He is a public danger as he is out with his diatribes.
    Thank god kids don’t read here. But where else does he frequent? Only sick minds know.

    Of course Sweden is so fucked up that child sex abusers get to have IP equipped laptops in the pen, while they are doing compulsory therapy. Figure that.

    BUT, men and women are pretty square here…..compared!

  68. Anonymously Yours:

    Seems like a civil action is in line against the now woman….. People don’t realize how many people plead to rape cases just to avoid a possible life sentence……

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/woman-who-recanted-rape-claim-likely-to-keep-750000-settlement.html

    LA Times: Bitch that recanted rape claim likely to keep $750,000 settlement

    She’s probably going to keep it. She seems to have blown through the $750,000 like a crack whore on crack.

    Chances are too, that she gave at least $250,000 to some scumbag with a J.D if you know what I mean.

  69. “Anon, every man who wants to get custody and who does not get custody can certainly claim that he has a case that proves that (a) courts are prejudiced against men; and (b) terrible mothers who should never have custody can certainly beat wonderful fathers who should; and (c) bitches are really mean to nice guys.”

    Malisha,

    Do your homework. Call some lawyer buddies.

    Statistics show this. Academic studies show this. Your friends’ experiences will show this. All but the most feminist of Family Court Lawyers will confirm this, and give them 20 years and most feminist family court layers will confirm this.

  70. Funny, Id707,

    I have listed citations and sources for much of what I post.

    Malisha almost always says, “google it yourself” and provides no citations.

    You are starting to shout many of your posts and insist our disagreements are proof I am mentally ill.

    Come on Grandpa, I am serious when I say, “you can do better.”

  71. Anon, I know plenty of dom rels. They do not agree with you even within their own practices. I have also seen the studies — this is about the custody issue — and you’re just wrong. The reason I’m not into going on-line and proving things is that it’s a waste of time for several reasons. First of all, the studies done by the recognized sources have been used ad nauseam by organizations filing amicus briefs (one of which I wrote myself in New York during the 90s) and they are taken by the courts to mean nothing at all because each judge makes his or her own decision in a vacuum by simply stating the constitutionally vague formula “best interests of the child” and also because they have no force, no power, any more than the studies that show that judges, across the board, sentence Black defendants to longer sentences than white defendants. I’m just not into trying to prove anything to you on that count, Anon, and I’m not going to waste my time on it. I have concluded, by my own methods, that women shouldn’t HAVE children any more, not in this culture. I have told that to a friend of mine after she had the first two children and before she had the last two. She didn’t listen; pretty much nobody will. I know that.

    Nor am I responsible for showing you or anybody else a research trail to prove that I SHOULD hold any opinion I do hold. Check it out, man, not going to happen. Did Professor Turley post a research trail in his article about “reasonable doubt” showing that folks who had shot other folks had injuries more or less severe than that he presumed to have been depicted by the blood-rivulet picture posted at the top of that thread? I’m not proving my points on any of these threads, nor do I need to, and you’re not the judge of them.

    Debate me if you like. Carry on about my failing to prove things to your satisfaction? Don’t make me laugh.

    Here you have my opinion: You’re really pissed that some woman, bitch or not bitch (by some objective bitch-measurement standard) got the best of you in court. Although you are able to think clearly about many things, and speak interestingly about many things, and attract my positive attention with much of what you say, I am not particularly interested in your assessment of my own “bitch or not-bitch” status or your conclusions about whether or not I hate men or am fair in my evaluation of some, or most, male behavior in the psychosocial context. I don’t defend my positions because they don’t need a defense.

    AND I think second-degree murder is the right charge for Zimmerman. AND if he were female, I would still think that was the right charge.

  72. Anon, another thing. I’m sure you can go onto plenty of Fathers Rights websites and find plenty of citations for all your claims. But you can also go on the website TalkingBacktoCSpan put up and you can find (or I hear he has now taken it down) an explanation of how the Jews caused 9/11.

  73. ” I’m just not into trying to prove anything to you on that count, Anon, and I’m not going to waste my time on it. ”

    I wasn’t actually asking you to, I was responding to Id707 who shouted at me to put up or shut up. It was a response saying I actually do post studies, Malisha does not, why all the sudden are you (Id707) demanding more from me than from Malisha, and why are you (Id707) suddenly shouting?

    That my ex got the better of me in court though, is a function of the court’s bias against men.

    We walked into court, the judge basically determined who could pay for all the legal shenanigans that were about to occur, gave the kids to the other party to ensure the bills for the lawyers could be paid, and that was pretty much the biggest decision of the case that the judge ever took.

    That and the bogus TROs, the bogus claims of domestic violence, the bogus claims of being a sexual danger to the children, the ability to interfere with visitation without fear from the courts — these are not things you should be defending with a “boohoo stop whining about your ex in court”

    These are actual harms done to actual children and actual parents (fathers and mothers) by a corrupt court system aided and abetted by lawyers that eagerly take $300 per hour and tsk tsk how stupid their clients are and how corrupt the system is.

    These are all harms that the constitution was meant to prevent but that have been suspended in family court, due in part, as you recognize to “the best interests of the children” allowing the judge to do whatever he or she pleases.

    However, far more than the intentional bitches I knowingly pepper some threads with, are the casual misandric remarks of many people here, including you, with comments about testosterone and your unbacked up claims about domestic violence etc. Because men are stupid throw rocks at them is not an answer to anything. It’s just feminist bullshit and bullying.

    If you want to change society, start with yourself. Recognize your bigotry and act better.

  74. ANON,
    Gramp’s attack was because you simply declared that XXX person should put up. And provided none yourself.

    Personally I’m too lazy to read your stats. Truthful studies are misused. And opinionated or fixated persons
    usually find the statistics they need. So what does it prove.

    All YOU need is an open mind, but until you put your gall and rage at being bested aside, and thus feel your balls were taken away from you, you will never get an open mind.

    That suspicion about women as bitches will haunt you the rest of your life. It did me until I finally asked myself what lay behind my conviction that women would always abandon me when it would hurt most. I found my answer. Hope you find yoúrs.

    As for shouting, it is at times used even by Zen monks to teach novices. Unfortunately you are neither.

  75. I have to laugh after seeing some of the critical posts here re/ the videos I posted. I know that as humans we are prone to confirmation bias. I have to check myself for it too.

    In a nutshell, what I see in the videos is a teacher trying to squeeze a bit more out of students at the end of the year, and encountering certain students who have not done their work, and having to spend extra energy with those students who continue to not get on task. But, of course, the critique is that I am to blame for being out of touch, “not saavy enough” (to know I am in a shark tank full of liars?), disorganized, expecting something at the wrong time of year, not following rules (re/ film), …

    To me, the videos underscore the awareness that females have that they may use sexuality and rumor as tools and it was not the first time I have seen that. I have had my fair share of issues with boys and lying too, but the nature of male female interaction makes the girl’s behavior much more insidious and troublesome. It allowed them to complain without having to divulge identity or speak to me so that I might defend myself. It let them pass on rumor so that others realized I was a sitting duck in terms of defending against these accusations.

    It is pertinent that it was the end of the year. Why? Because the complainants all had F’s and D’s with the exception of one. That particular student was used to getting A’s and was watching her grade drop because she had not been doing her work. This was about wielding control and these students and their parents knew they could complain without any worries re/ repercussions.

    What you don’t see in the video is the girl who accused me of throwing a book at another student when I simply dropped a small paperback on a desk. The atmosphere was ablaze with any accusations that might hit their head.

    They say “when you don’t have the facts on your side, argue the rules.” Good job.

    I am not happy about the way I was treated and I do have an axe to grind in that sense, but I am happy to be unburdened with some of the myopic disdain I see in the comments section. Only someone that narrow minded could completely turn the situation inside out to suit their agenda. It gives me a sense of relief to know that my axe is relatively small and I can begin to heal.

    I wish the same to everyone else.

  76. Anon, here’s the problem.

    One white man (White Hispanic if you like) kills one Black man in Florida. That’s not oppression. It’s not about racism; anybody who says it is should not be allowed to say it is; yada yada blah blah blah.

    One woman falsely accuses one innocent man of rape. That’s oppression. You better ADMIT that’s female oppression of men or you are a liar, and you and those feminists who are always lying about women being oppressed by men are just turning it upside down because really you have been the worst bitches for years and decades and centuries and yada yada blah blah blah

  77. “To me, the videos underscore the awareness that females have that they may use sexuality and rumor as tools and it was not the first time I have seen that. I have had my fair share of issues with boys and lying too, but the nature of male female interaction makes the girl’s behavior much more insidious and troublesome.”

    Huh?

    I couldn’t see any use of sexuality by girls in the videos; I couldn’t see anything at all in the videos, actually, except you moving the camera around in a way I found visually disorienting. And “the nature of male female interaction makes the girl’s [sic] behavior much more insidious and troublesome,” while itself a disturbing statement with no context at all for comprehending it, does kinda say that girls are rather wicked, doesn’t it?

  78. “Huh?

    I couldn’t see any use of sexuality by girls in the videos; ”

    If claims are true, that he was sacked due to videos of his taking video of girls’ chests, and assuming these are the videos,

    And if you say, you don’t see any of that in those videos,

    Then yes, one can conclude those girls that made those claims, knowingly, as capable and rational agents, must be in your words, “rather wicked”. I’d throw in their parents as well.

    And the principal and his/her supervisors are obviously huge dumbasses and enormous pussies.

  79. “One white man (White Hispanic if you like) kills one Black man in Florida. That’s not oppression. It’s not about racism; anybody who says it is should not be allowed to say it is; yada yada blah blah blah.”

    “One woman falsely accuses one innocent man of rape. That’s oppression. You better ADMIT that’s female oppression of men or you are a liar, and you and those feminists who are always lying about women being oppressed by men are just turning it upside down because really you have been the worst bitches for years and decades and centuries and yada yada blah blah blah”

    At first glance this seems like climate change, picking out which hurricanes are due to climate change and which would have occurred in the same degree just because weather. It’s difficult and most scientists agree it really cannot be done.

    However, in the case of Zimmerman, the trial is ahead of us, and given the information we have, it’s all rather ambiguous. It grates on you and the junk scientist Scribe and a lot of the junk lawyers here that that is so, but it is so.

    In the case of Wanetta Gibson we have her confession. We don’t need to speculate, she admitted fucking this dude over. She admitted making a false accusation. She admitted defrauding the taxpayer. She admitted not saying anything for five years. She admitted not wanting to give the money back.

    As well, as I’ve pointed out, we have a huge pattern of cases of women making false accusations, and additionally another huge pattern of idiot feminists sticking up for this sort of oppression.

    So it resolves. It’s not like global warming at all.

    No detective work is required, the bitch confessed.

    And as part of the same pattern where many other women have confessed to the same behaviors, we can easily see it as an act of hatred against men. And too, we can see the feminist defense of this as another act of hatred of men.

    I hope that helps you understand the difference between Zimmerman and Gibson.

  80. Thanks for the response. By “insidious” I refer to the gravity of the accusation and the fact that I couldn’t disprove it. Complaints involving physical violence have also been thrown at me by wily students but usually there should be signs that it, indeed, too place. Now I was guilty for my eyes…and I do not ogle girls. If they misbehave, I am forced to intervene in close contact so as not to embarrass them. It was a no win situation which is what the school administration wanted.

    The last year I taught, I was chronically accused of being some sort of pedophile when it suited particular students. I pleaded with my principal to NOT have me teach 8th grade because I know they tend to be sociable, less than honest, and full of hormones compared to the 7th graders I had. Being accused this way is terrible. It’s virtually impossible to defend against except to plead otherwise. It’s enraging to be accused by the very students that interrupted my classes and demeaned me in any way possible when all I was trying to do was help them and do my job. I suppose there is a bit of an epidemic of such behavior in the media and I bet it helps foster this suspicion.

    As for administration- they are not dumb asses, so much as corrupt. They are not after the truth. They helped foster these accusations, but that is another story all together.

  81. Anon, the difference between Zimmerman and Gibson is not an issue at all. The reason Zimmerman did NOT confess (and therefore, his statements should not be withheld because they were not confessions) is that he didn’t think he had to. I have no idea why Gibson DID confess, because it doesn’t seem like the act of a person who would do the harm in the first place. But obviously I know much less about the Gibson case than I do about the Zimmerman case, because much less has been reported and I have not been reading about it since early March.

    The difference, Anon, is that the presumption of the evil-feminist-false-allegations-supporting-behavior (EFFASB) is a quickie step for you. Not only do you enlarge the case of Gibson (who has not apparently gotten any feminist organization to defend her, right?) to “women” (whom you call “bitches”), but you steadfastly refuse to see that your doing so is actually bigotry, but you would have it be bigotry that I call you on doing so!

    In the case of Zimmerman, an analogous move would be to enlarge the scope of what he ACTUALLY DID (forget the trial for the actual killing; he has admitted the actual killing) and to insist, from that, that whites are continuously killing unarmed black youths because they are racist ofays. AND to insist that anyone who saw it differently was a bigot.

    Awaiting trial to determine Zimmerman’s guilt? That would be to determine his guilt of either murder or manslaughter.

    You’d have to await a trial to see if Gibson was guilty of any crime that could be charged, to have it analogous.

    You’re saying that you can declare women indefensibly guilty of supporting false allegations of rape without Gibson herself ever being charged with or convicted of a crime.

    I’m saying that to do the same in the Zimmerman case would be to say that Hispanic (or white, whatever) men are indefensibly guilty of allowing the killing of unarmed young African Americans by guys like them, whether or not charged or convicted.

  82. Brook, I gather from what you have said that there was a lot of conflict already going on between you and at least some of the girls in your classes, by the time you took that video. Since I couldn’t understand anything from the videos themselves, and I don’t know what statements were made by these allegedly errant students and dishonest parents, I don’t know how to fit any of this into a coherent opinion.

  83. Anon, what you said in defense of Brook shows how you get to all your misogynist conclusions. I said I couldn’t see anything sexualized in the videos. I did, however, see that the camera stood still on one girl, from her neck to her thighs, for quite a while (more than it stayed on any other image, actually) and that at the end of the other video clip, it focused on a view of a girl with her head down and her cleavage showing through light summer clothing. Perhaps that is what caused the problems.

    But then I went on to talk about Brook’s actual written words. HE SAID that he was used to boys lying just as girls lied, but that, and I quote:

    “the nature of male female interaction makes the girl’s [sic] behavior much more insidious and troublesome.”

    I then characterized that statement — that the girls’ behavior was much more insidious and troublesome than the boys’ —

    “a disturbing statement with no context at all for comprehending it,”

    and I added that it:

    “does kinda say that girls are rather wicked, doesn’t it?”

    Here’s my point, Anon. Brook claims that he is used to girls lying and boys lying. He intimates that there have been conflicts between him and his students, in which they have lied about him, and that has raised problems for him. Then he takes the videos. Then the parents get riled and go after him for that. Then he characterizes it as girls lying about him and making false allegations, and he comes up with that weird statement that I cannot understand, saying that whereas boys also lie,

    “the nature of male female interaction makes the girl’s [sic] behavior much more insidious and troublesome.”

    OK? That’s a bit strange. The nature of girls being female in comparison to boys makes their dishonesty more insidious and troublesome?

    See, that’s the purpose of paying close attention to what is said.

  84. “See, that’s the purpose of paying close attention to what is said”

    Well you’re right, and often times I don’t pay as close attention as I wish I had.

    But it’s not like Brooks story is told in a vacuum.

    Just google the phrase “where are the male teachers”.

    There is so much stranger danger about men taught to kids, but whose lessons are mainly taken by lawyers and parents that its no wonder that the clever female hominid child quickly becomes aware of the inordinate power.the crazy society of 2012 has placed upon her and uses that power in immature ways to pwn society right back.

    And in response, poof, the male teachers have vanished.

    Lawyer / Feminist douchebaggery for the win.

  85. Well thanks, Anon, for reading me as carefully as I asked you to read me. I really appreciate that.

    Now I’m not trying to challenge your world view. If I were, I would be doing that on a completely different blog, not this one. I choose my battles carefully because I’m old (in some ways) and that’s what I have left in terms of conservation. But when you identify things I say as misandrist and I disagree with you, I do take time to show you where I’m coming from. I am not (not that my personal characteristics are important either to you or to this blog in general, but) the kind of person who jumps to negative conclusions about others. This has been confirmed to me not only by a professional evaluating forensic psychiatrist (using both clinical interviews and objective psychometric tests) but also by about 100 different people I have come across in both business and personal relationships. Yes, I do think that in general men are more prone to the more serious kinds of violence than women, that they are more often sexually coercive and/or various other offensive-type activities, but I never judge an individual man on the basis of my presumption about “tendencies.” I have actually experienced sexual coercion/abuse by men AND BY ONE WOMAN and strangely enough, the proportions came out just about the way most of the research comes out, although the sample was (thank god for small favors) very small indeed. I don’t conclude anything from that. But here I am, and I’ll say so, and again, thanks for reading me carefully. Sometimes, I also make mistakes in what I write and if you point them out I’ll check it to see if I need to self-correct.

    Anon, on another thread, a woman who came on gangbusters opposed to my point of view and irate later began to ask me what I meant and she let me explain myself to her and I think it went very well. I am not imagining that there’s some kind of Disney ending here, I’m just saying (I love that expression), I’m not looking to misunderstand you. I’m not looking to blame you for the bad behavior of someone else who has the Y Chromosome. At some point (and certainly not tonight) I’ll come onto this or another thread with the full HUMDU.

  86. I will try and fill in some of the holes here:

    1. use of the camera- I had used video tape for years and principals knew it and had never said anything about permission, etc. I brought digital camera in for civil war unit. It was in the classroom and students had used it to take pix of themselves in civil war garb. I decided to use the camera to video final presentations but students were not ready and I thought it might push them to get it in gear. I held the camera at chest height and did not look through the viewfinder. I didn’t think twice about it.

    Students routinely broke the dress code which stated they were not to wear revealing clothes. I was used to this but there are plenty of rules that male teachers don’t try and enforce due to possible accusations. If the camera hovers over someone, it was certainly not my idea to try and film some skin. I was just trying to get them to do their work. It seems to me if you don’t want someone looking at something (or filming it) the practical thing to do in a public setting is called “wearing appropriate clothing.” I find it incredibly nervy to run around half naked and then accuse people of looking at you.

    I erased the video and the principal and kids knew it. Months later I was able to get the video off the hard drive because it was not masked by more folders. I could hardly remember what I had shot, whether I had spent that much time with particular students, etc. as I had never even seen the video. When I told the lawyer I had it, she said “forget it.” The fact that they complained and you made them uncomfortable is the issue at hand. The video will do you no good.

    2. re/ sexuality. Yes there is no major display of sexuality in the video. When I said “video,” I meant the entire incident. Using the video as a reason to make these accusations as if my purpose was to film cleavage (I have a bigger chest than any of these girls).

    The reason I say it is insidious is because someone can tarnish your reputation with something as chicken shit as saying ‘he was looking at me.”

    3. males and females- Neither has a monopoly on ethics but I think it might be akin to an example of 2 different fights. Brothers A/B and C/D. Both might end up hurting each other but If C/D have guns, the chances are that C/D’s fight will cause more damage? Does this necessarily mean that C and D are more violent? No. It underscores that the means at their disposal are different and having access to those “tools” can create more impact. We already know that, generally, boys tend to act out aggression physically, while girls are usually more subtle and use verbal methods more often. We all know that people place a great degree of importance in protecting females sexual innocence and their sexuality. Rumors regarding predatory males gets men and women riled up. My take is that it is an easy button to push and I find it very disappointing to see how often that “button” was pushed the last year I taught. I also believe that the way young girls conform during adolescence makes it more likely that they will actually believe such rumors once they get going.

    You don’t know me but I was brought up by a feminist mother whom I respect very much. My first job out of college was as a sexuality educator/ counselor for planned parenthood. I was there because I felt women were generally oppressed and felt it was inhumane. I still abide by that sentiment, but I have realized that the oppressed can be masters of manipulation.

    4. what started the feeding frenzy? I had a grievance against the district regarding their shoddy and capricious use of evaluations. The interim principal retaliated by accusing me of not following rules and being heavy handed with students. I had kept a disruptive student in for 5 minutes at lunch to try and get her started on an activity. I had her write out a contract that said she would stay in if she didn’t finish it that night. The next morning she handed me a slip from mom saying that I could do no such thing. When the interim principal was in the room, she watched us whisper for about 30 seconds regarding the note, and then ran, crying out of the room. She then claimed that she had had a panic attack the day before that I had ignored. From then on, she behaved as she wanted in class and would start to whimper if anything looked like it didn’t fit into her agenda. A week later I called the parents of anther girl (same class) because she was not doing her work. I met with the parents and the girl. Within 3 minutes, she had us discussing MY inappropriate behavior. What was it? A bunch of lies. She said I told the class we would discuss “vaginas.” whether they wanted to or not. The thug of a principal used this as a way to go after me but thankfully, no one corroborated the lie.

    These students realized that they could get a lot of mileage out of this behavior and I think the administration and kids used each other for their own expedient purposes. What do you know, I was transferred out of 7th grade to teach 8th grade the following year. This was retaliation from the district. They knew these kids knew what buttons to push.

    enough for now. My apologies for the long windedness.

  87. Brook, I was not commenting on your particular case because I wanted to prove anything about it. I was commenting on it because your weighing in seemed to buttress the ridiculous notion that this Gibson woman’s conduct was typical feminine behavior that the feminists inappropriately encouraged, and that I was trying to deny because I was a bigot! If you disagree with that, by all means, see if your case can prove or disprove it, but I rather doubt so.

    My comment about your observation that the girls’ dishonesty was inherently more insidious than that of the boys caught my attention as very well it should! Excuse me, but that’s absurd! I think probably what has happened in our society is that female lying is CONSIDERED more insidious than male lying, because male lying is more tolerable. It also may be that female lying may sound more like the truth than male lying because there actually ARE cases that would make the lies sound like they were true. (There actually ARE lots of rapes and sexual assaults against women and that might make a false allegation of such a thing sound true.) But let’s take it out of the girl/boy context and look at the case of the boys allegedly raped by the Pennsylvania sports coach. (I can’t even remember the game he coached.) Let’s say any one of them had tried to make a case of his rape back in the beginning; it would probably not have been believed. Let’s say any five of them had. Maybe it would have begun to sound true. Then let’s say that one kid who had never been raped came forward and added his story to the mix, for reasons best known to himself. Would his story sound true? Probably. But would it have BEEN true? No. Would that have invalidated the stories that WERE true? No.

    You can’t make all people honest. You can’t make all people behave well. You can’t even make all the students do their homework. None of this adds up to the theory that vicious nefarious female bitches are ruining the world for good, decent, non-abusive honest men. That’s all of where I’m going with this. It’s not about YOU. It’s not even about ANON but he gets into it at times as if it is.

    Now, let me tell you a story about a few teachers I have known.

    1. My own Freshman French teacher in high school. He made pretty gross sexual advances on me because I was a star student; I said nothing about it at all because that was 1966. I also concluded nothing about it.

    2. The other French teacher in high school. She was a woman and she was a Lesbian (I came to find out only six years after I finished high school and not in an unpleasant way, just by hearing that she lived with the English teacher who had “come out” as a Lesbian by that time in the early 70s and was considered exceedingly brave). She did not disrespect me or invade my territorial space in any fashion. I also concluded nothing about THIS.

    3. My mother was a teacher, and never disrespected any of her students or violated their boundaries in any way. She was highly respected by most students, but ran into difficulty with a few students and a few parents because she did insist on completion of work to make the grade, and she did not believe in “social promotion.”

    4. A teacher of 8th grade lived about two blocks from me maybe ten years ago. One day I saw him outside and he had bruises all over him and stitches on his face. He had been beaten up by a student in his class (male student). He was pretty badly shaken and had been hospitalized for two days because of internal bleeding (got kicked in the gut and back). He wanted to go back to teaching but the principal wanted him to let the thing simmer down first, and he was upset by that. He did not have much to say about the evil of the students he taught, and specifically said he felt the kid who had beaten him up was “a basically good kid who has totally failed to handle stress and who really needs help.”

    5. A slew of Montessori teachers, some of whom have run into conflict with parents and even students, but most of whom have reported the most inspiring stories of guiding kids through their hostilities and conflicts with great expertise.

    Now, I know that there are corrupt school managers (even criminal principals) just as there are corrupt officials in all sorts of other positions. I have no problem with that assessment or assumption. I even agree with you that being exposed to one series of deliberate false allegations can certainly sensitize you to believing it happens elsewhere, and maybe even often. But don’t you think that there are false allegations of all sorts of wrongdoing within the big picture of a society gone to the “blame and destroy” game for its raison d’etre? Is that the fault of women?

  88. I don’t think you need to capitalize Lesbian, unless she is a time traveler from Lesbia or a space traveler from Lesbonia, either of which would be so cool.

  89. I don’t need to capitalize Gay Men either but I do so in order to not be thought of as a Bigot.

  90. Brook,

    I’ve been thinking about when I was in 7th and 8th grade. A lot has changed since then, but not the biology and what happens to boys and girls at that age. They are in the process of becoming young men and young women. I’ll talk about the girls. This is a time when the girls are discovering and experimenting with their sexuality. They tend to be really obnoxiously rebelling against their parents. They’ve known for years how to play their parents off one another. Now they come up against a teacher who is trying to get them to do their school work. He’s just as evil as the parent who wants them home at a decent hour. Now throw in a bit of new-found power of their sexuality and they’re ready to play their parents against the teacher. Their parents are probably a bit relieved that daughters have a new target and are asking for their help. After all, why would our Suzie come to US, if this weren’t true? Of course they will support their daughter. If you’ve had problems in the past with the administration, you’re out there by yourself. The administration is like water, it will take the easiest path.

    I was sometimes embarrassed by the clothing worn by some of my classmates, mostly really tight sweaters (this was before bare skin was fashionable) and struts that put their chests front and center. I was told by a couple of them that I should dumb down b/c “boys don’t like smart girls”. They were already manipulating male classmates. And, yes, some of them flirted with the male teachers who were careful in how they interacted with all the girls, especially the flirts.

    I also did some substitute teaching of 8th grade. The only grade worse is 12th. The arrogance of seniors isn’t something I want to deal with again.

    I’m not too keen on using a camera as casually as the clip shows. Great for taping their presentations though. Your sin was in being a responsible teacher in trying to get the girls to do their work when they didn’t want to do it.

  91. Malisha and Bettykath. Thanks for listening and some feedback. Bettykath- you have some interesting insights that ring true. I might even go further and say that many of these girls do not have fathers in their lives. Some of them seemed almost desperate for “negative attention.” -not so much what one sees in the video but others that created issues during the course of the year.

    Malisha- hopefully there is some dialectical discourse that brings us closer to the “truth.” As I said earlier, neither gender has a monopoly on ethics. I would still maintain that the nature of sexual accusations against males makes them unlike anything I have encountered. Perhaps the converse can be made with the example of males ruining a females reputation by unfounded rumors of being a “slut.” The point being that female sexuality and what it entails is a potent cocktail that, unfortunately, can be easily exploited by those who give little thought to the cruel consequences for their brothers and sisters.

    Being that sexuality evolved so that men and women’s destinies are intertwined it is not surprising that there is discord. I am glad the stakes in my life were a career instead of over my children or freedom.
    best regards

  92. You all have brought out many interesting issues in the war between the sexes. It is my belief that we are not going to change the human nature of the individual very much so I often think that cultural changes are the only real way to alter the destiny of humankind. If this woman is not arrested and tried for perjury and forced to repay both her victim and the school district, I think we can all agree that a severe injustice has been done if this article is true. Is it a cultural thing that we just don’t prosecute women to the same degree as men? It is my experience that even traffic cops give fewer tickets to women. Women appear to be just a devious ethically as men, obviously not as violent, and the lack of prosecution would not appear to help this dynamic. Over the years I have spoken to so many men that feel that they have been taken advantage of by their wives, during devorce. There comments to me are generally that they can deal with the loss of money from the bank accounts, all the funiture and 1/2 the house, just get the attorney off my back.Over the years I have spoken to many men and women on this issue, and there are great injustices against both sides. Interestly I believe that women because of their nature and mentality confuse legality with immotional pain. For instance when someone say something that hurts the feelings of a women, women feel that this should almost be against the law and that if they retaliate in some manner which is a crime such as stealing all the furniture and applicances out of the domicile, that this action is justified because the person deserves it. Women do the same thing with their female friends and family as well. Cousin Jane said something mean to me so she’s not invited to the Christmas party at Gramdma’s house anymore. It doesn’t necessarilly have to be an issue of immotional consideration. If a women perceives that someone committed an unethical act, they will often times take retalitory actions against that person, I might add with out getting other opinions. They believe they are the prosecutor, judge and jury on all matters immotional and family if it effects them. Perhaps this is a cultural dynamic that can be changed over time. Don’t get me wrong men do it to, but the perception level of what a women believes to be a retiatory cause of action appears to be much less warranty to me in many siuation, at least that is my opinion.

  93. skiprob,

    “Over the years I have spoken to so many men that feel that they have been taken advantage of by their wives, during devorce.”

    Divorce is difficult, generally because one party has betrayed the other. My experience has been that the man believes everything is his, so giving her anything is unjust.

  94. Bettykath, A few sentences down I said ” Over the years I have spoken to many men and women on this issue, and there are great injustices against both sides.” You statement appears to equate that I have not been questioning people in a sincere manner to extrapolate the truth and therefore I am biased in some manner. I assure you that I am trying to seek a better and more just system on this issue and many others.

    You appear to have missed my primary cultural contentions. 1. Are we codling to women immotions and therefore giving them ethical rights and privelages that are not warranted and create injustices against their adversaries, whether men or women? 2. By not prosecuting this women are we not sending a bad message to other perpetrators of such actions?. Sorry that in the case it happens to be a unethical women, but this is not that unusual of an issue. Women have been making make false accusations against men “alot”. Those are facts and often times they go unprosecuted for their unethical and crimial actions. Teh question is how do we fix the problem.

  95. I am sorry to say this but I think that someone accusing someone else of rape should no longer be enough to convict someone (I know people don’t think they do that, but they take the females word for it almost every time) without Evidence ( both eye witness & DNA) Nobody should be able to be charged with the crime at all, I am sorry to the female rape victims out there but men are victims too and the law should protect everyone…I think it is more important to spare an innocent person than to convict a guilty one…She admitted she lied, whether she takes it back or not she needs to be sued AND charged for her crimes.

  96. Sounds like this GIbson woman had some influense from home/family/friends back when she made her alogations against Banks. She said ‘WE – I mean me” don’t want to have to pay the money back. I think they should have to pay every last dome to Banks and his mother! His mother worked hard and supported her son and Gibson tore the Banks family apart emotionally and financially.

  97. ” Women have been making make false accusations against men “alot”. Those are facts and often times they go unprosecuted for their unethical and crimial actions. Teh question is how do we fix the problem.”

    —————————–
    The real studies and real data collected do not support the contention that there are more false allegations of rape reported and prosecuted than other crimes that take place in the absence of witnesses. People may FEEL that way but the data don’t say it’s happening.

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  99. So, Truth, who does it, you?
    And when yo see a “woman like her” how do you know she is a woman like her?
    Just askin…

  100. I can’t understand, or better yet, I can begin to want to understand how some people who are quick at judging and prosecuting without truly studying (not only reviewing) and analyzing in good faith all the evidence placed before them can’t have the BALLS (not hiding like they did no wrong) to face the cameras and admit to their wrong actions. As to the girl, now a woman, she should be sent to jail along with her mother for lying and benefiting from tax payers money. That kid, now a man, has lost so much is no joke, his education, and millions of dollars which could have provided him and his family a good future. I just wonder, if anyone in the NFL would give him a chance being that he was good, or is it to much to ask. Everyone deserves a second chance, right?!!!!!
    He deserves a second chance.

  101. The attorney not only should be disbar but pay Banks a sum of money never heard of. She must have been the epiphany of stupidity. And I hope that Ganetta Gibson get the worse of it to come. Jail time, for several counts, but the DA can open other cases and he is not willing to open this one. Well wasn’t her mother who file a suit against the districtShe can be prosecuted for falsely accusing and demanding an award. She her to jail.

  102. This woman is no sociopath and calling her such just makes an excuse of her behavior.She is a criminal of the highest order and should be sued and put in jail.If you check NOW’S website you will find that lesbian’s, some of them feminists, rape and otherwise abuse women at the same rate as men, However,while NOW vilifies men for such behavior,their approach to criticizing women for the same behavior is vastly different. When it comes to women who rape and abuse other women, clearly the message is hands off and keep quiet.They are absolutely clueless to how this makes them and other women appear on the issue of fairness. It hard to respect a group who revels in such obvious bias and is so hypocritical, lacking in courage and lacking in fundamental concepts of responsibility and fairness.When was the last time, if ever, there was a national story about rape and abuse of women by women? Society does, by ignoring the truth, encourage this kind of behavior

  103. ogwriter, it’s easy to fuss against the feminists for not being hard enough on women, but really, isn’t that just ridiculous? It seems that there are plenty of organizations who can target women who are unfair to other women; since NOW was formed for its own very specific purposes, why should they have to do whatever someone ELSE considers important?

    Mind you, I have an axe to grind with them. When I was needing help and trying to get help for other mothers in 1980, they were off concentrating all their time, money and effort on “equal pay for equal work” and stay-home mothers were getting no respect from them. But they are a non-profit; they do what they have chosen to do; others are free to do whatever THEY choose to do, with their own time, energy and money.

    Why don’t you form a national organization to publicize stories about, and to put an end to, females being unfair or abusive to other females, OK?

  104. Did the prosecutors in this alleged rape case without evidence? That sometimes happens, unfortunately prosecutors who do such things are amazingly given absolute immunity even when they knowingly withold evidence and destroy lives.

  105. dont you just love it when blacks destroy blacks? cant blame the whites for this one. that’s why people are advocating the return of moslems to the mideast. and why they applaud when they kill their own. of course whites are equally stupid as the destroy each other worldwide and through history. anybody ever consider all the knowledge and ability lost to this kind of human hatred and violence?

  106. Jerome M, there are cases where the prosecutors DELIBERATELY charged defendants they KNEW were innocent with capital crimes, and saw the whole thing through at taxpayer expense, to obtain convictions, including death sentences, and then were even required to testify before CONGRESS after some organizations got these defendants freed, and they STILL — even after admitting to doing it dishonestly, illegally and corruptly — had prosecutorial immunity. Figure that. Judges and prosecutors are protected more because the number of them doing active, provable wrong is so HIGH than anything else. Our system would just plain crumble and be irremediable if anybody in the system were to be held accountable, other than a token “bad guy” now and then going down for the sake of the big theater about public righteousness.

    Do you think they go back and look at all the cases and reopen the convictions when they finally DO charge some prosecutor with crimes? Look at the history of Ken Gribbetz from Rockland County, New York. Responsible for many deaths — completely corrupt — now he’s practicing law and making the big bucks.

    This culture is built on liability, not accountability. It is a dishonest system.

  107. Everyone keeps talking about this ONE-woman and acts like this is the only incident. GOOGLE “RAPE Liar” and start reding about the many women and the pethetic reasons they give for taking such actions. And remember this. We are all himan and when done wrong we want vengince. So when a woman is “ACTUALLY” raped, she is not thinking about money, but showing the person as much pain as she feels both physically and emotionally. So when a woman claims rape in “CIVIL Court” in my opinion, “FALSE.” NO questions asked……

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  109. An attorney named Chris Dumler who is a city council member as well has been charged with felony sodomy. I have no idea if this charge is true or false but I see that on the news articles, the commenters are basically presuming his guilt. It is my opinion that if the charge were RAPE he would be seeing the commentors take the opposite view, in general, with the majority of them suspicious of the charge itself and not willing to heap verbal abuse on him at this point in the case. It is interesting.

    http://www.readthehook.com/108359/bail-set-dumler-must-raise-50k-and-forfeit-alcohol#comment-289565

  110. The lawyers are all just too greedy and uncaring; there was not any evidence against him and him was jailed. What are judges paid for?

  111. Well, I have know more than one man to be falsely accused of sex crimes. The police sometimes give the the “third degree”, though it is illegal. The prosecutors convince them that in prison the guards will not protect them and the prisoners will harm them. They confess to crimes that never even happened! Their lawyers are usually state appointed an don’t care. Some people will know that they can get their accuser to face them in court and insist they they are innocent until proven guilty, but most do not for some reason. I believe that it should be harder to indict, let alone convict, people accused of sex crimes without physical evidence. I still believe that “It is better for a thousand guilty men to go free than one innocent man to go to prison”! Most folks seem to have forgotten this! False accusations are commoner than you think!

  112. Social rejection? Pay the money back? Prosecute? This lunatic should be taken into a field and shot. Does anybody have any idea what kind of damage this did to so many people?

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  116. To remind all those with morals and to all those who love all children, that this David J. Glass Esq. PhD would giggle & laugh at me while waiting to see the judge. Shortly after this attached letter dated 2-12-2012 was received by the community of Malibu, CA this David J. Glass Esq. PhD conspired to injure a 3rd party (myself) , suborned perjury and falsified evidence just before he closed down his practice and went to FMBK Law.The CA State Bar has just received a 2nd complaint regarding this matter.

    2-12-12 Mr. Graham J Miller

    REGARDING CHILD ABUSE

    To The Principals of Malibu Elementary Schools and To Whom it may concern within the LAUSD and SMMUSD administrations, Directors or other persons.
    Dear Sir Madam or MS,

    I am writing to you firstly as a parent. I have a child in a Malibu public school. I am also writing as a Citizen, and therefore concerned in a more global manner with issues that I personally find disturbing and relevant. I believe a possible failure to perform to ethical codes of several professions, let alone what any normal person may find to be reasonable is about to, and could in the future lead to embarrassment, public consternation and at best a complete lack of faith ,trust and confidence in the above agencies.

    I have recently been informed by my daughter Lily-Jane Faith Miller that her mother has taken her out of Callahan elementary (Northridge); and she is now at some school in Malibu district. (Grade 2)

    My reasons for my concern follow.

    Within the Malibu school district there is a teacher, (C Cullen) who has accused her ex-husband of two counts of sexual abuse of their son, and 5 other counts of abuse of their son (11). This alleged abuse according to Ms. Cullen and her Attorney took place over the past 5 years.

    I would like a notation in my daughter’s file that she is never to be placed in class with the above person as her “(my daughters)” teacher. I apologize in in that I amenable to provide more details on my daughter’s whereabouts (school) but her Mom has not provided that info. I’m sure Dr Jacob the principal at Callahan would be able to assist.

    In MS Cullen’s divorce and custody case she utilized the services of a Mr. D Glass Esq.(Attorney) Mr Glass is also a PhD in Psychology .Mr. Glass was also utilized by the mother of my daughter, Lily -Jane in my own divorce and custody matter. Mr. Glass a Psychologist/ Attorney and mandated reporter saw fit to bring allegations of sexual abuse of a child and 4 allegations of other forms of abuse of MS Cullen’s son Sammy before family court. These all were investigated by the Police DCFS, and the District Attorney. They were found to be without either Medical or Credentialed 3rd party verification and closed therefore as unsubstantiated. These allegations were brought by MS Cullen via the services of Mr. Glass and occurred regularly before the summer school break on a yearly basis. MS Cullen had also recently remarried a Mr Brian Winsick another Teacher and coach in the Conejo Valley. Their marriage took place just prior to the allegations beginning.

    I will now outline my concerns and reasons for the request of the notation in my daughters file.

    It is my belief that the relationship between this teacher Ms. Cullen and her attorney and my own ex-wife and the same attorney is cause for reasonable concern. That to avoid any unfortunate incident where god forbid I was to be accused by my daughter’s mother of something similar as MS Cullen accused her ex-husband of it is imperative no establish able link is in place as could lead to suspicion of collusion. The worst case scenario that Ms. Cullen at some time becomes my daughters teacher and subsequently claims are made that perhaps my daughter had inferred to MS Cullen that I had abused her ( Lily-Jane) and MS Cullen then could relate this to my daughters mother through their mutual attorney, or contact at school is beyond horrific. I feel the separation of my daughter and this teacher protects LAUSD/SMMUSD and my daughter and me.

    In a more global sense I am concerned that a teacher married to another teacher and coach and an attorney who is also licensed as a psychologist made no attempt to make aware the LAUSD or the SMUSD of their concerns. (Two allegations of Sexual abuse and five other allegations of abuse.) Surely some ethical codes of their respective professions would demand other relevant or parties who could be impacted be advised.

    When a teacher finds the resources to pay $500 an hour to a Beverly Hills Attorney for 5 years surely there is a need for verification that such allegations will bring in terms of the expenses the County and State will bear during the protracted conflict. Especially if the accused has been made indigent by the continued claims and has suffered stress or work issues stemming from such accusations and is no longer paying taxes.

    As a parent I certainly would be outraged if I knew my child’s teacher was aware of a legitimate abuse situation and if, as in this case it included Sexual Abuse allegations and that teacher did nothing to bring attention to it as could protect other children I would expect answers. Specifically why and how a person(s) (2 Teachers, (Coach), An Attorney/Psychologist) would go ahead and consciously disregard accusations of such a serious nature, and then they having brought these allegations before family court and the district attorney go ahead and let other parents arrange activities with the person they were accusing of abuse in a manner as would expose other children to the accused.

    What is more disturbing and I expect the press will find disturbing is that repeated allegations of this nature are often utilized in family conflicts and that this is acceptable is in fact a failure of morality within our society. I believe this failure may have had a profound societal impact.

    That the failure of an application of evidentiary standards as are normally applied in criminal matters may have allowed credentialed persons possibly with questionable motive to use family court in a manipulative and deceitful way to achieve their own ends appears to me to be worthy of consideration.

    This epidemic of claims of abuse of children caught in such situations, (family breakups) versus children, who suffer actual abuse , desensitizes the general public and governmental agencies and allows real and dangerous criminals to hide and operate with virtual impunity in our society. It is beyond Peter and the Wolf it is an ongoing crime against humanity. To falsely perpetrate something that I believe leads to what we are now facing in the LAUSD and SMMUSD and may have exacerbated, perpetuated and indeed by lack of action condoned events and actions that possibly has led to emotional; mental and even physical harm to any child is heinous.

    I believe because of the actions as I have described many prior red flags have been ignored in many abuse situations and much suffering and harm and expense could have been avoided if a less commonplace attitude of children was the norm.

    Indeed in the immediate situation with (C Cullen, B Winsick )either the allegations were scurrilous and a product of vitriol, and an attorney(PhD Psych) with who knows what motivation (7 Claims) and that these claims were worthy of public expense .Or these persons were aware the claims they were bringing were false and therefore not worthy of reporting to LAUISD/SMUSD or other parents.? The alternative is an admission of negligent lack of reasonable due diligence and surely a great lack of concern for the school both pupils and other teachers and parents has been flagrantly displayed in total disregard for the safety and welfare of minors. Whether this is or should be a concern for the bond holders of these persons I do not know. Mr. Glass, Glass family Law and former associate of (Kolodny & Anteau) One of the most respected family law firms in the United States (Mel Gibson Getty, etc.) has been investigated by the CA Bar already in this matter and while the complaint was not upheld a letter suggesting the possibility of civil redress was issued by them.

    The APA also found he did no wrong apparently within their own ethics code.

    The fact remains an Attorney/Psychologist and a Teacher and a Teacher/Coach surely have some duty to the community. The positions of trust and respect they are afforded should allow the general public a reasonableness within their expectation of propriety and protection of the innocent by such credentialed persons.

    Perhaps the LAUSD/SMUSD could incorporate or suggest to the CA Bar a cooperative relationship of a professional nature that would allow this protection to be afforded our children as well as draft a code for the LAUSD/SMUSD’s own employees in such situations.

    Certainly recent events could lead one to surmise that a better clarified way of maintaining the safety and welfare of our children, from both bonifide and false claims of abuse would be helpful. The harm that both real and imagined events can bring to families, as well as collateral persons and an institution such as children’s learning environment should be minimalized at all times.

    Sincerely Yours,

    Graham J Miller.

    885 Avenue of the Americas

    Penthouse 1A

    New York. NY. 10001

  117. Getting divorced/seperated?
    Odds R you will face false allegations
    (sexual)
    Google : FMBK ANTEAU (Hundreds of results)
    Present the 2-12-12 letter & other documents to Law Enforcement, DCFS Agents,
    Child Abuse Detectives, School Officials, District Attorneys Office, Judges & the Public

    PROTECT YOURSELF , LOVED ONES & OTHERS from CHILD ABUSE by DESIGN

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