Akin on Abortion: It is a Common Practice For Doctors To Give Abortion To Women Who “Are Not Actually Pregnant”

Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo) appears to have a long-standing issue with women and reproductive issues.  This video from 2008 shows Akin informing the Congress that it is a  “common practice” for women “who are not actually pregnant” to get abortions. While he has claimed that he just used one word incorrectly in saying that women can physically stop themselves from getting pregnant from “legitimate rape,” this tape shows a certain pattern that is quite odd.

Previously, Akin stated:

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. . . But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.”

Now that Akin has refused to step aside and Republicans are past the failsafe point to replacing him, Democrats are releasing the greatest hits from his past. This one is a doozy.
Akin explains that the abortionists are just like terrorists. Curiously, he states terrorists want to take away your right to make your own decisions and then call pro-choose doctors terrorists. He then adds this interesting factoid:

You find that along with the culture of death go all kinds of other lawbreaking. The not following good sanitary procedure, giving abortions to women who are not actually pregnant, cheating on taxes, all these kinds of things. The misuse of anesthetics so that people die or almost die. All of these things are common practice, and all that information is available for America.

The common practice of aborting non-pregnant women will come as something of a surprise to many, particularly when Akin previously explained how rape victims can prevent themselves from getting pregnant.

What is truly amazing is that McCaskill is so unpopular in Missouri that the race remains relatively close despite such statements.

Kudos: Elaine M.

74 thoughts on “Akin on Abortion: It is a Common Practice For Doctors To Give Abortion To Women Who “Are Not Actually Pregnant”

  1. This explains in one way why congress is so inept. Stupidity such as this is present. And the fault lies with the voters for returning these idiots to office.

  2. Some women have false “pregnancies”.

    So I can imagine if the hormones are right and she hasnt had a period for 6 weeks a doctor might make a legitimate mistake.

    Aiken certainly can step in it though. Yeesh.

  3. Otteray,

    There’s always more where Todd Akin is concerned:

    Todd Akin’s Unique View of Women, Cont’d.
    By Charles P. Pierce
    10/3/12
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/todd-akin-climate-control-video-13336168

    Excerpt:
    The race for a seat in the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body representing the state of Missouri is still a horse race between a pain-in-the-ass Democratic “centrist” named Claire McCaskill, and a guy who not only thinks that ladies have secret sauce in their ladyparts that keeps them from getting pregnant after a “legitimate rape,” but also, it appears, believes that women are essentially reasonably priced roadside chain motels for zygote-Americans:

    [VIDEO]

    Again, that’s:

    “Now an embryo may seem like some scientific or laboratory term, but in fact the embryo contains the unique information that defines a person. All you add is food and climate control, and some time, and the embryo becomes you or me.”

    So, ladies, there you have it. Keep your thermostats in good working order, and provide a complimentary hot breakfast in the lobby every morning, and Todd Akin will give you four stars in the next AAA Breeder’s Guide.

    How do you get to be this old and still be this ignorant? It can’t all be religion’s fault.

  4. Bron,

    I’m pretty sure that’s what ultrasounds are for. The gestational sac is visible at five weeks. I’ve never heard of a false pregnancy leading to an abortion.

  5. Bron,

    I think doctors can determine if a woman is pregnant or not. They do know about “lady parts” and how they work–unlike Todd “Legitimate Rape” Akin.

  6. Elaine/Gene:

    I read an first person narrative by a woman who was not pregnant but had a yolk sac visible on the ultra sound and everything else was positive. They did a d and c. There was no fetus.

    All I am saying is that it is possible, I am not supporting Aiken in his views which seem rather loopy.

    Elaine:

    I dont trust doctors for squat, many suck and you take your life into your hands when you go into a hospital. There are approximately 98,000 fatalities in the US due to medical malpractice in any year.

    Medical Diplomas dont kill people, doctors do.

    As one doctor I trust said, “you dont have to be smart to get into medical school.”

  7. Bron,
    According to Akin, doctors aborting non-existent fetuses are almost as common as McDonald’s hamburgers. While it is certainly possible that almost any kind of medical anomaly can happen, in fact he is talking about events so far out on the tail of the curve they cannot even be reliably measured. Probably on the order of twenty standard deviations from the mean.

    Akin is an ideologue and ignoramus to boot. I can find no redeeming qualities in him myself, but maybe his dog likes him. If he has a dog.

  8. Seem loopy? Come on Bron, Akin just doesn’t seem loopy. He is off the charts. The scary part about it is that there are alot of Republicans who have no intention of caring about women, not just Akin.
    Bron,
    If you distrust doctors so much and are so concerned about the 98,000 who are killed via malpractice, I am sure you are a strong supporter of tort actions against malfeasant doctors.

  9. And of course, if you are disabled and do not fight a rapist, that is proof of consensual sex:

    From ThinkProgress:

    In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who “has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate.”

    The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as “unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act,” the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent.

    Since the victim in this case was capable of “biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing,” the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:

    When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the state’s theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, ‘are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the [victim] was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.’

    The courts are as nutty as the politicians these days.

  10. McCaskill campaign published their latest internal poll now which is unusual in that an internal poll is meant only to guide and set strategy/tactics within the campaign itself, but the reason for publishing it is obvious when one looks at the numbers.

    The poll reported to the campaign that McCaskill is leading Akin 50 percent to 41 percent, with 7 percent undecided. She leads among women by 18 points, and among independents by 23 points.

    She waited till now for the same reason that the campaign did not go after Akin for his “legitimate rape” comments until after Sept. 25th which was the deadline for Akin to take his name off the ballot allowing the GOP to appoint a stronger replacement candidate.

    Her campaign purposely kept the internal poll under wraps while claiming that the race was “tight” for the same reason.

    I don’t like McCaskill at all but one does have to give grudging admiration to smart strategy.

    Keeping Akin in the race benefits McCaskill of course, but it also benefits other Democrats in tight races around the country.

    Th Republicans made a huge mistake in not getting that bozo to back out of the race.

  11. Gene H:

    Aristotle would disagree, there is at least one case, the one I alluded to, of a woman showing signs of pregnancy without being pregnant. So the improbable is possible and therefore probable.

    He says it much better than I just did but you get the idea.

    We can argue how ofter it happens but it is not a fallacy to state the claim.

  12. rafflaw:

    you might be surprised, if you can recover 10 million or more if you are harmed, that is between you, your lawyer, the judge and jury.

    In a free society why would you place restrictions on claims?

  13. “So the improbable is possible and therefore probable.”

    You do realize this sentence is gibberish, don’t you?

    possible \ˈpä-sə-bəl\, adj.,

    1a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
    b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
    2a : being something that may or may not occur b : being something that may or may not be true or actual
    3: having an indicated potential

    probable \ˈprä-bə-bəl, ˈprä(b)-bəl\, adj.,

    1: supported by evidence strong enough to establish presumption but not proof
    2: establishing a probability
    3: likely to be or become true or real

    Anecdotal evidence (without supporting proof even, simply hearsay), does not rise above the level of possible to probable.

  14. Otteray,

    “Akin is an ideologue and ignoramus to boot. I can find no redeeming qualities in him myself, but maybe his dog likes him. If he has a dog.”

    Methinks–if Akin had a dog–the dog would have to walk him.

  15. Bron sez, “So the improbable is possible and therefore probable.”

    ************************************************

    Bron, you appear to be statistically impaired. Probable means that if A happens, we can expect B to follow in almost every instance. Normal probability is about 95% likely to happen. Possible means that in some remote corner of the world, if X happens, Y may follow as a result, but it is NOT LIKELY!

    If you asked me if it is possible the sun may come up tomorrow over the north pole instead of the east, I will tell you that it is possible, but most assuredly, unlikely. That is the difference between possibility and probability.

    If I drop and anvil on your toe, it is probable that you will yell something unprintable in a family newspaper.

  16. “If you asked me if it is possible the sun may come up tomorrow over the north pole instead of the east, I will tell you that it is possible, but most assuredly, unlikely.”

    Thankfully unlikely, OS. The resultant and rapid changes to weather and probably severe earthquakes and volcanism would be most unpleasant. A real show stopper.

  17. False Pregnancy (Pseudocyesis)
    http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/false-pregnancy-pseudocyesis

    Excerpt:
    Tests for False Pregnancy
    To determine whether a woman is experiencing a false pregnancy, the doctor will usually evaluate her symptoms, perform a pelvic exam and abdominal ultrasound — the same tests used to feel and visualize the unborn baby during a normal pregnancy.

    In a case of false pregnancy, no baby will be seen on the ultrasound, and there won’t be any heartbeat. Sometimes, however, the doctor will find some of the physical changes that occur during pregnancy, such as an enlarged uterus and softened cervix. Urine pregnancy tests will always be negative in these cases, with the exception of rare cancers that produce similar hormones to pregnancy.

    Certain medical conditions can mimic the symptoms of pregnancy, including ectopic pregnancy, morbid obesity, and cancer. These conditions may need to be ruled out with tests.

  18. Poll: McCaskill Leads By 6 Points In Missouri
    Eric Kleefeld 1:59 PM EDT, Wednesday October 3, 2012

    Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill continues to lead Republican Rep. Todd Akin, who seriously damaged his campaign in late August when he falsely stated that women’s bodies can prevent pregnancy in cases of “legitimate rape.”

    McCaskill leads 46 percent to 40 percent, plus 9 percent for Libertarian candidate Jonathan Dine, in a survey released Wednesday by Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling. In addition, McCaskill has an approval rating of only 44 percent, with 49 percent disapproval — but Akin is far worse off with a favorable rating of 33 percent, and an unfavorable rating of 55 percent. The survey of 700 likely voters was conducted Oct. 1-3, and has a 3.7 percent margin of error.

    The pollster’s analysis cautioned that the race is still competitive, though, with Mitt Romney leading President Obama by a margin of 51 percent to 45 percent. In addition, 50 percent of voters would rather have Republicans control the Senate, compared to 42 percent who want the Democrats: “It’s possible as election day nears that more people who want the GOP in charge will suck it up and vote for Akin even though they don’t like him.” tpm

  19. Here is a tidbit of knowledge from my wasted youth that may well.become important information if morans like Akin have their way: It was know in certain circles, that if a woman presented herself in the ER and claimed to have unexplained vaginal bleeding a sympathetic doctor would perform a D&C to obtain samples for testing – no questions asked. It she just happened to be pregnant at the time the D&C ended that.

    Not sure with all the fancy testing now a days if it would be this simple but maybe thats what Akin was trying to suggest. But then if he went in for a frontal lobotomy THAT would be like an abortion on a non pregnant woman. Can’t operate on something thats not there. So there is no telling what he really meant to say.

  20. False “pregnancies” never result in an abortion because no fetus is present. Akin’s point seems to be that women love abortions so much that they have them for fun even when they are not pregnant. Anyone who votes for such a man gets what they deserve; unfortunately they drag the rest of us with them as he is in the Senate.

  21. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilation_and_curettage

    Senator Akin does not seem to understand that women are not walking wombs. D&C and aspiration procedures are used for many reasons, not just abortion.
    Birth control pills are used for things other than birh control as well.

    The apparent ignorance of the elect and their stolid reluctance to even imagine women as having a stake in the conversation regarding womens issues surrounding pregnancy and healthcare is astoundingly visible lately. Akin to the Sandra Fluke debacle….

  22. Off Topic–but on the subject of women and rape:

    Court Requires Disabled Rape Victim To Prove She Resisted, Calls For Evidence Of ‘Biting, Kicking, Scratching’
    By Zack Beauchamp
    Oct 3, 2012
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/03/947981/court-requires-disabled-rape-victim-to-prove-she-fought-back-calls-for-evidence-of-biting-kicking-scratching/

    Excerpt:
    Defendant Richard Fourtin Jr.
    In a 4-3 ruling Tuesday afternoon, the Connecticut State Supreme Court overturned the sexual assault conviction of a man who had sex with a woman who “has severe cerebral palsy, has the intellectual functional equivalent of a 3-year-old and cannot verbally communicate.” The Court held that, because Connecticut statutes define physical incapacity for the purpose of sexual assault as “unconscious or for any other reason. . . physically unable to communicate unwillingness to an act,” the defendant could not be convicted if there was any chance that the victim could have communicated her lack of consent. Since the victim in this case was capable of “biting, kicking, scratching, screeching, groaning or gesturing,” the Court ruled that that victim could have communicated lack of consent despite her serious mental deficiencies:

    When we consider this evidence in the light most favorable to sustaining the verdict, and in a manner that is consistent with the state’s theory of guilt at trial, we, like the Appellate Court, ‘are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the [victim] was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault.’

    According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN), lack of physical resistance is not evidence of consent, as “many victims make the good judgment that physical resistance would cause the attacker to become more violent.” RAINN also notes that lack of consent is implicit “if you were under the statutory age of consent, or if you had a mental defect” as the victim did in this case.

  23. Elaine, Do the laws of CT allow for a three-year old to give consent? These judges need to be recalled, forced to retire, whatever. They do not belong on the bench. Maybe they’re protecting their own pedophilia.

  24. from the appellant’s writeup

    “The state argues the jury could nonetheless make that inference, chiefly, as it seems, from seeing the complainant testify and considering testimony from others about her impairments, mainly her mental impairments, for which the evidence was inconclusive and beside the point.

    The prosecution had implicitly acknowledged this when it prepared but did not proceed with a charge of sexual intercourse with someone “mentally defective.”

    —————–
    I haven’t read all of the material submitted to the court but it seems that the state didn’t press the appropriate charge.

  25. This guy is just playing to his political base. In reality, he probably doen’t care any more about abortion than Robama does about average Americans.

  26. “we are not persuaded that the state produced any credible evidence that the [victim] was either unconscious or so uncommunicative that she was physically incapable of manifesting to the defendant her lack of consent to sexual intercourse at the time of the alleged sexual assault,”

    The three dissenting justices accused the majority of acting as a “13th juror,” in the case and substituting their opinion for that of the jury.

    Richard Fourtin Jr., 28, is free and cannot be tried again.

    I am waiting for the names of the Justices on both the Appellate and Supreme Courts who voted to set this guy free and guaranteed that he could not be tried again.

  27. Wait, wait —

    If a doctor “gives” an abortion to a woman who is not actually pregnant, I want to know:

    1 – Was that only attempted murder?
    2 – Was that alleged pre-baby-thing living or only pretending?
    3 – If that abortion had not been “given” to the unpregnant woman, would the unfoetus have grown into an unbaby or just skipped all that and immediately become a zombie undead?
    4 – If it did become a zombie undead, having been not-born in the US, could it become the President of the United States one day?
    5 – Would it qualify for food stamps?

  28. With stunning consistancy, whenever there’s a really stupid statement made or a completely inane political position to be taken, there ALWAYS seems to be a Republican standing near by ready to take credit for it.

  29. Why Does Todd Akin Believe That Women Who Aren’t Pregnant Get Abortions?
    By Amanda Marcotte
    Posted Wednesday, Oct. 3, 2012
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/10/03/todd_akin_thinks_women_who_aren_t_pregnant_get_abortions_he_s_not_alone_.html

    Excerpt:
    My post yesterday about previously unreported videos of Todd Akin’s speeches on the House floor had a lot of loony quotes from the Missouri Senate candidate, but the one that appears to have attracted the most attention was his comment that abortion providers—who he compared to terrorists—are “giving abortions to women who are not actually pregnant.” Likely this comment stuck out because, like his infamous “legitimate rape” line, it was a rancid mix of misogyny and profound ignorance about the female bodies Akin so dearly wishes to control.

    Well, just as with “legitimate rape,” it turns out the belief that doctors are performing abortions on non-pregnant women has its roots in the ever-astounding world of anti-choice mythology. Robin Marty of RH Reality Check, where I also contribute weekly, reports on one of the major sources of this claim, Carol Everett, who used to be a clinic worker and is now an anti-choice activist. Everett belongs to a grand tradition on the Christian right of true believers who claim to understand sin because they used to participate in it. (“Former terrorist” Kamal Saleem is a fine example of this bunch.) Everett’s conversion story is about her previous life working in an abortion clinic. Marty quotes Everett speaking to a Focus on the Family radio program in the ’80s:

    There are two other things I’d like to talk about. There are women who come in and have abortions but aren’t pregnant. You may say, “Oh, that doesn’t happen.” Maybe you say that. It does happen. First of all, this woman thinks she’s pregnant. She’s scheduled herself for an abortion. She’s come in and her pregnancy test is negative. They have a woman that they have paid their advertising dollars to get in there. They want to do that abortion if there is any way.

    So they do everything they can to prove that she’s pregnant or has been pregnant. You say “has been pregnant?” Yes, if they can convince her that she has been pregnant, that she’s had a spontaneous abortion. She’s going to have to go into the hospital to have a D&C to remove the rest of the contents of her uterus. They will convince her to go ahead and have a procedure she doesn’t need that day. And it happens. Channel 4 [Dallas-Fort Worth] got it on tape—a woman that went directly from our office to a doctor’s office and the doctor told her that she [had] never been pregnant, and we had tried to do an abortion on her. I don’t know what percentage that is. I have no idea…

    As Marty notes, there were some clinics in the ’70s in Chicago exposed for unsafe and deceptive practices, including D&Cs on non-pregnant women, but those clinics were exposed and many closed. The Chicago clinics were an anomaly, and not indicative of how abortion is generally provided.

    A little common sense should demonstrate why: In order for a scam like that to work, women would have to set up appointments for abortions without knowing if they’re pregnant. And they would have to do so on a regular basis in order for this to make any kind of financial sense for the clinics at all. In the ’70s, when home pregnancy testing wasn’t readily available, that might have been more plausible, but nowadays most women who call an abortion clinic know for sure that they’re pregnant and have already made up their minds. To believe otherwise is to assume that women, or at least women who get abortions, are too stupid as a class to understand even the most basic things in life.

    But this belief that women who get abortions are just bimbos being led by their noses by conniving abortion doctors is a mainstay in the anti-choice movement, as David Frum notes:

    The point being, I suppose, to present abortion not as a tragic consequence of life choices gone wrong, but instead as an act of exploitation imposed upon misguided women by a rapacious “abortion industry.” If you think about abortion that way, it’s easier to justify banning it altogether. The only problem is, thinking about it that way is an utter delusion.

  30. ElaineM,

    Is there much reason for women to produce men?
    And all the hell besides which goes with the body.

  31. There is also evidence that some women are having pregnancy when they haven’t actually had sex. Several reported being pregnant without having had sex with Akin himself. He denied the allegations and attributed them to a vast left-wing conspiracy.

  32. Malisha,

    I think you could roll those dice a very long time before crapping out. Thanks for not going for a record.

  33. “There is also evidence that some women are having pregnancy when they haven’t actually had sex. Several reported being pregnant without having had sex with Akin himself.”

    Although one claims to have been impregnated by an old man claiming to be omnipresent and omnipotent, Akin denied this allegation as well saying he “was very potent. Very potent indeed.”

  34. Hey,

    There’s an abortion tonight, sorry, a debate tonight.
    Anybody abstaining? Yeah, only Stein supporters. We understand.
    I gotta sleep while you watch. Who will have your favo after-commentary for me to see tomorrow. And don’t say Faux.

    Anyone taking bets on what Romney will answer to hearing his 47 percent speech in playback instead of an Obama salvo? Wish the rules permitted. But can moderators ask questions?

  35. Without doing a lot of research on the Connecticut case, it appears the prosecution dropped the ball on the “mental defective” issue. I don’t know anything about CT law, but most states have laws against abusing vulnerable adults. She clearly did not have the capacity to give consent.

    I once worked on a case where the victim had CP so bad she was barely verbal. She had no real comprehension regarding what happened to her, but there was a next door neighbor who saw the rape take place in the bushes next to the house, and they had semen samples. The DA in that case went nuclear on the defendant with all the included charges, and the perp ended up with an extremely long sentence. The prosecutor in that case presented extensive psychiatric and psychological testimony, as well as a counselor from the school for the handicapped regarding the young woman’s cognitive and physical limitations.

  36. Bron,

    The key part of that ruling was that the Connecticut Supreme Court granted the state’s petition for certification to appeal and will consider whether the Appellate Court improperly substituted its judgment for that of the jury when it determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove that the complainant was physically helpless as defined by § 53a-65 (6). The state is not denying that the statutory language needs clarification, hence asking the CSC for certification. The defendant argues narrow interpretation for the terms “physically helpless” and the state argues for a broader interpretation. From what I read of the facts and the argument set forth in the Amicus brief filed by the Arc of Connecticut (a state advocacy group for the disabled)? The prosecution may get their way and have the Appellate Court overruled and the lower court’s jury verdict reinstated. It reads like her helplessness was manifest by the accommodations the state had to make to allow the victim to testify at trial and absent her testimony prosecution would have been a practical impossibility.

  37. Gene:

    the guy is a dirt bag in any case. what kind of person would do that?

    As you say though, the law is the law and whether you like the verdict/precedent is immaterial.

  38. Speaking of abortions and stupids:
    Here am I going nuclear on GB Messpo at the 2,000 dead in Afghanistan thread. He came down, “with all due respect” on sorrowing mother. What did he base it on.
    A CBS report based on police interrogation leaks, with accused excuses, lies, ex-parte grudg-bearers, etc.

    I called our GB out. Guess all will attack. So predictable. But read my beef before you fetch the rope.
    —————-

    92 idealist707
    1, October 3, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Messpo,

    As a lawyer (I presume) and a GB, do you buy stories relayed by CBS or any news media?

    Do you buy redacted, and edited interrogation material from police leaks? From parts speaking in their own behalf, trying to get free? From ex-parte people with what axes to grind, what old grudges to pay back, from fathers still in denial stages?

    You sir, are a joke if you do.

    Do you always fail to see the real culpables here? That is to say the people that sent him there, kept him there, and made him into what he became.

    Frankly I don’t care where the truth of this single deed lies, because it lies not with these soldiers.
    It is a tragedy and the rest of the nation and you too bear the blame.

    Are you blaming the PTSD’s, the mentally deranged former soldiers, the suicides?

    Wonder what you did after Vietnam when the vets were being spat upon? Did you spit too?

    You are a true patriot. Did they name the law after you? Guess not, there are so many like you who are willing to send other mens sons there.
    Rafflaw’s son could maybe enlighten you. If light can help you.

    How’re your civilian killing drones doing today?
    Has your police dept. got some yet? The ones with the Gatlings mounted?

    Billie is just one of thousands of sorrowing mothers, and some fathers too.
    Is a folded flag and the sight of war billionaires compensation for those losses?
    —————

  39. Bron,

    Yeah, he’s a dirtbag alright, but fortunately in that case it doesn’t look like the law is settled yet. This is why the appeals system has more than one layer.

  40. For a different take on the debates tonight. An opportunity to hear the “other” presidential candidates.

    Watch the Democracy Now! special 3-hour expanded presidential debate broadcast tonight! As Barack Obama and Mitt Romney face off in the “official debate,” we’ll hit pause and allow third party candidates, Green Party’s Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party, equal time to answer the questions. Amy Goodman will moderate the discussion.

    From 8:30-11:30pm ET, you can stream the live program at http://www.democracynow.org/ or watch on television via Link TV (DISH Network Channel 9410 or DirecTV Channel 375) or Free Speech TV (DISH Network Channel 9415 or DirecTV Channel 348). Join the conversation on the Democracy Now! Facebook page or on Twitter at #ExpandTheDebate.

  41. performing abortions on women that are not pregnant is the equivilant of performing brain surgery on Rep. Akin

    {rimshot}

    thanks I’ll be here all week, don’t forget to tip your veal and try your waitress

  42. If one actually admitted to being a Missouri resident (which I DO NOT) one might post this response to Todd Aiken actually being in contention for a Senate seat:

  43. Gene, thanks for doing the reading and saving me the time as well as the anguish/anger at stupid rulings. You must live to serve :-)

  44. It is good to know we are not alone in the loony politician department. Canada has their loons who are obsessed with lady parts:

  45. ID:

    “Speaking of abortions and stupids:
    Here am I going nuclear on GB Messpo at the 2,000 dead in Afghanistan thread. He came down, “with all due respect” on sorrowing mother. What did he base it on.”

    ******************************

    I love plays for sympathy. It’s the losing debaters way of crying “uncle.”

  46. You can both do better than that. But let a lame reply lie/lay there.

    One know not to argue with you guys, that’s useless. Messpoo once held out for two days defending his drones on civilians theme.
    (I did not make my points for your consumption anyway.)

    But some say one person is important, but a crowd is stats.
    Well, I’ll turn it around, let’s realize that behind the stats there is a face and a sorrowing family behing each service number. And there is a politician and a defense contractor who smiles on the way to the bank.
    BOO HOO indeed.

    That was my message other than some ridicule for Mespoo for believeing the dreck he posted from CBS.

    I guess you don’t recall Otteray Scribes comment the other day about IGTNT. I got the news tonight, where such faces and fates behind were given. Ask him about it. A viskt to the site might be good.
    No response expected.

  47. Bron,
    What Aristotle actually said was (yes, I know he didn’t speak English):

    “For what is improbable does happen, and therefore it is probable that improbable things will happen. Granted this, one might argue that “what is improbable is probable.” But this is not true absolutely.”

    I am relieved that Aristotle did NOT say, as you paraphrased:
    “So the improbable is possible and therefore probable.”

    Because he’s off his meds if he said that.

  48. Marginally OT- but not really.

    If you don’t listen to “The Professional Left” (Driftglass and Blue Gal) podcasts here’s a good reason to: #148 (0-38 mins) explains why Todd Aikin has not been tarred and feathered, why we don’t need another political party but only a functioning 4th estate and the unifying principal that has distorted our political reality to the point that it is unrecognizable. Oh, and why Obama ‘lost’ the first debate. It’s a good podcast:

    http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2012/10/professional-left-podcast-148.html

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