Haggling Over Price: Brazilian Woman Sells Virginity on Internet But Insists That She Is Not A Prostitute

On this blog, we have often discussed the basis for prostitution from rivaling feminist and libertarian perspectives. Critics have long argued that the definition and prohibition of prostitution is inherently flawed and conflicted. Others argue that it is a denial of the rights of consenting adults under a state enforced morality standard. Brazilian student, Catarina Migliorini, 20, has rekindled this debate after selling her virginity online to a Japanese man named Natsu for $772,000.

Migliorini’s virginity was the subject of bids by 15 people– an auction organized by Jason Sisely, an Australian filmmaker.

Alex Stepanov, 21, from Sydney, also put his virginity up for sale, but was able to collect only £1,860 from a Nene B from Brazil.

Migliorini will be flown to Australia where she and Stepanov will meet the winning bidders and lose their virginity. Under the contract, the minimum time the virgin must spend with the bidder is one hour and in that time “the virgin must engage in sexual intercourse with the highest bidder”.

Notably, Migliorini denied being a prostitute. “I saw this as a business. I have the opportunity to travel, to be part of a movie and get a bonus with it.” Of course, most prostitute view their work also as a business, but Migliorini insisted “[i]f you only do it once in your life then you are not a prostitute, just like if you take one amazing photograph it does not automatically make you a photographer.”

That does not seem a particularly convincing line of argument. It is reminiscent of the famous Churchillian story about “price.” According to legend, Winston Churchill once asked a socialite if she would sleep with him for 1 million pounds. When she admitted that she would, he offered one pound. “Winston! What sort of woman do you think I am?,” the woman objected. He responded, “We have already established what you are, now we are just haggling over price.”

Nevertheless, she might be on better ground arguing that this is ultimately a moral choice. Virginity clearly does not mean much to her and she sees it as a commodity to be sold. The money that she will receive is enough to set her up for life. If this is a consensual agreement between adults, should society still criminalize the conduct. After all, she can legally have sex with in infinite number of partners. She also can legally receive an assortment of gifts before such encounters from meals to trips to jewelry. It is not unknown for individuals to sleep with others to achieve benefits of various sorts, but are not considered prostitutes. Likewise, a porn star can have sex with dozens of partners for money but not be charged with prostitution since it is done on film. What is left is an uncertain line in defining prostitution.

Yet, when she wants to accept money for such services, she would be considered by most as committing the crime of prostitution. So long as these arrangements involve consenting adults, should the arrangements still be considered criminal?

Source: IBT

92 thoughts on “Haggling Over Price: Brazilian Woman Sells Virginity on Internet But Insists That She Is Not A Prostitute

  1. While I find the whole thing incredibly tasteless – the auction, the resulting encounter, the final price, the fact that it is being filmed as a movie – there is not a single redeeming quality to the whole ugly thing, there really is nothing that should be illegal there as long as it is two adults acting of their own free will. Its repellent & ugly but that does not mean it should be illegal.

  2. “Brazilian Woman Sells Virginity on Internet But Insists That She Is Not A Prostitute”

    Bad news, buttercup. If you have sex for money? You’re a prostitute.

    OED says precisely that.

    prostitute /ˈprɒstɪtjuːt/, n.,
    :a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

    That’d be you, Catarina Migliorini.

  3. Yes, semantics here. Taking one amazing photo is photography though it does not make one a photographer. Taking money for sex is prostitution though it does not make one a prostitute if she does it only once.

  4. prostitute /ˈprɒstɪtjuːt/, n.,
    :a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

    And a sex therapist??? If they are having sex as a PART of therapy, does that exempt them?

    So would a degree exempt all the women?

    Looks like a slippery slope….

  5. Hey Catarina Migliorini, I hear Pussy Riot will be available for gigs … you could have the rockin in the background as you get the big check …

  6. “Taking money for sex is prostitution though it does not make one a prostitute if she does it only once.”

    Really. The definition of the word mentions nothing about frequency. I think I’ll take the Oxford English Dictionary’s definition instead of yours, Doug. They are, after all, considered an (if not the) authoritative source for definitions in the English language.

    And I don’t think you really understand what sex therapists do, John. The American Psychological Association’s ethical guidelines indicate that “[o]ne type of relationship that’s never acceptable is a sexual relationship with a current client. And even though sexual relationships that occur at least two years after therapy ends may be technically acceptable, they can still be harmful.”

    So, sorry!

    This gal is a prostitute by definition.

  7. There is no shortage of successful lawyers with trophy wives. Despite how great you think you are, the wives would be elsewhere if you were broke.
    It doesn’t take much experience in family law to see that money is a huge factor in many relationships; regardless of whether or not it is explicitly stated.

  8. At least she is up front about it…. I have a friend that’s been married three times…. Each wife or ex has gotten a nice house…. He swears the next woman he dates…. He’s just going to forgo the formalities of marriage and just buy them a house…..

  9. Balanced,

    I’m glad you have such a sterling view that many women are just venal money grubbing gold diggers. How’s that working out for you? Here’s a dating hint: if that’s the kind of gal you’re looking for, that’s what you’re going to find. Unless, of course, your motivation is to find a gal you think you can control with money because you’re woefully lacking in other areas like a personality or a willingness to do what is required in the sex department to please a partner, in which case its a different pathology matrix for the relationship altogether.

  10. Gene H:

    I think Balanced was saying lawyers with trophy wives are that way.

    Balanced is also right in his assessment of some women [and of men] being gold diggers. They exist and have existed for years.

  11. Bron,

    But does that mean “most” women are that way? I’m a cynical b@stard and even I’m not that cynical. Also, trophy wives aren’t limited to lawyers.

  12. The bidders then would be named “johns” what is the level of disgust or denigration for their equal participation in this deal?
    On a legal issue That I don’t understand yet have observed occurring often, prostitutes names are often published yet “johns” names are seldom published. Why is that? Are the prostitutes More guilty and deserve to be outed for public scorn? Are the men simply helpless creatures of natures biology and innocent? …and therefore due protection from & by Law!!!
    What is an often expressed reason for women of the muslim faith to wear burkas? Something to the effect of “Men can not control themselves when viewing an exposed ankle or bare arm? ” Poor helpless Men….. Women take such advantage of them!!! (please note: this is SNARK)
    Our US society still has a long way to go to reach a true and fair values system balancing equality between the sexes.

  13. Gene:

    he doesnt say most he says many.

    No they arent, doctors, politicians, actors are some who come readily to mind.

    When you are a poor struggling whatever and you get married, that is the woman who usually loves you and who you should hold onto. That is the one who will wipe the spittle from your chin after a stroke and wont make you feel like a burden.

    The trophy wife will hire nurse Ratchet and connive with the pool boy about how to finish the job the stroke didnt do and make sure your children are left out of the will.

  14. Big noise about nothing. Prostitute or not. Doesn’t matter. Sexual favors for money between consenting adults is none of my business.

  15. GeneH And I don’t think you really understand what sex therapists do, John

    I am guessing they talk, and in SOME cases they use/prescribe “sexual surrogate therapists”….perhaps that is the term I should have used, even though they are used/prescribed by the therapists. It would have made it clearer for you to understand.

  16. Dredd:

    Putin has a problem, I know this isnt your old Soviet Union. That they still exist as human beings is proof that Russia’s leadership is full of pu$$ies.

    Putin cant even control his women and yet Obama is willing to be more flexible?

  17. John,

    A sexual surrogate is not a sex therapist. They are also trained psychological professionals who work in tandem with sex therapists and their interactions may be intimate but not directly sexual as well such as teaching relaxation techniques, intimate communication, teaching social skills, and some sexual touching but they don’t go so far as to engage in intercourse with those in relationships as a normal course of business.

    It’s a fine distinction, but it is a distinction with a difference. Sex surrogates on not sex workers. They are part of a therapy team.

    That should be clearer for you to understand.

  18. Maybe the gal should have auctioned “dinner with a virgin” for 700 grand and maybe wrote “A little about myself: After dinner with a nice man, I like to have a nice roll in the hay.hint, hint, nudge, nudge, say no more

    Nope it was not an auction for prostitution, it was for a dinner date. Others skirting the law through semantics notwithstanding.

  19. Gene H. 1, October 26, 2012 at 8:44 am

    John,

    A sexual surrogate is not a sex therapist.
    —–

    Exactly, I thought I had explained that, and their relationship, and how this might have confused the issue for you.

    I’m just not sure how I can make it clearer….

  20. John,

    I’m not the one conflating sex surrogate to prostitutes in saying its a slippery slope. One is a psychological professional, the other is a sex worker. I wasn’t confused from the start. I used to date a sex therapist. If you’re clearing up your own confusion? Good for you.

  21. Bron,

    A gentleman never tells. First and foremost, she was a nice gal very interested in helping people live happier lives.

  22. Gene H. 1, October 26, 2012 at 9:06 am

    John,

    I’m not the one conflating sex surrogate to prostitutes

    Hey and I apologized for confusing you. No I didn’t say they were the same.

    It would be like if I said someone was going to a doctor to get drugs…I would ASSUME most people would make the intuitive jump that they are NOT going to actually get drugs from the doctor, but a prescription for drugs to be filled out by a pharmacist.

    Same with the sex therapist, you may have sex prescribed to you by them, but it will be the “sexual surrogate therapist” that you actually get it from.

    Again sorry it wasn’t clearer, but don’t let that dissuade you from asking questions…because that’s how we learn….

  23. John:

    I have a question, are there male sex therapists who help women? I havent heard of any, what do you know about them?

  24. Nick,

    Is right. The issue is whether prostitution should be legal. I think it should be because it is a victim-less “crime”. What should be dealt with is getting the exploitation out of it by getting the pimps out of the equation. As for this specific woman she is prostituting herself, but who am I to judge her?

    Part of her allure is that in many places males, religion and society think there is something special about female virginity. I’ve never believed that as a principle, but I can see how and individual female might. From the male perspective the taking of a females virginity is often looked upon as a trophy, my cynical judgment of that is that the male suspects he is “not good in bed” and so wants to be with someone who has no experience with what
    “good in bed” may mean. There are of course some egotists who believe they are “great in bed” and so are bestowing a “blessing” by “breaking in” a virgin.

    Humanity has always “commercialized” sexuality. This is true whether through arranged marriages, or prostitution. This is sad to me because sex is one of the most beautiful and healthiest activities humans can engage in.
    By commercializing it, making a contest out of it and “commodifying” it, many really lose the beauty of it. It is not a test of manhood for men, nor is it a measure of propriety for women. It is a means of intimate communication between two (or more) people, on one of the deepest levels of intimacy a human can achieve. What is often forgotten is the orgasm is not the be all of sexual pleasure, it is the climax (in the endpoint sense) of what is an intensely satisfying, emotionally uplifting human experience.

  25. John,

    You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, but you’re the one who said slippery slope. That would be conflation.

    conflate /kənˈfleɪt/, v.,

    :combine (two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, etc.) into one

    Such as prostitutes and sex therapists or surrogates.

    Now run along. If I had meant the gal in this story was a sex surrogate, I’d have called her a sex surrogate instead of a prostitute (which is what she is). If any of this still troubles you, I really don’t care.

  26. “I have a question, are there male sex therapists who help women?”

    Bron,

    There are both male sex therapists and male sex surrogate. I personally was trained in sex therapy in a 13 week course that was an added certification for my Psychotherapy work. The course was excellent and highly informative, but I am rather dubious about the proposition of sex therapy per se. Other than informing my patients about areas of sexuality where they might be ignorant, I never directly was treating them as a sex therapist. Peoples sexuality issues to my mind really are personal issues of lack of self worth, ability to communicate intimately, or perhaps simply the wrong partner. While it is true, however, that ignorance may be contributory to sexual dysfunction, to someone willing to learn and grow that is fairly easy to overcome with the right information. Harder to overcome are ingrained attitudes about ones feelings towards the opposite(or same) sex
    that interfere with optimal sexual pleasure. The treatment of that is less sex therapy and more psychotherapy. I’m assuming of course that there are no intervening physical issues that may cause difficulty in pleasurable sex and those would need to be treated medically.

  27. Separate but tangential issues, Smom. If prostitution were legal, there would be far less incentive for slavers as a good percentage of their “product” ends up as sex workers. Human traffickers, of course, should be put under the prison whether prostitution remains illegal or not.

  28. Gene H. 1, October 26, 2012 at 9:48 am

    John conflate /kənˈfleɪt/, v.,

    :combine (two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, etc.) into one

    I’m sorry my apology wasn’t enough for you for the confusion. I tried to be the bigger man here and accept responsibility for a seeming confusing post, but I sense there may be other issues here at play.

    I hope your girlfriend therapist gets you the help I sense you need.

    @Bron ;)

  29. Gene H, Not really…… The demand is very high these days for very underage prostitutes. It is true even where prostitution is legal.

  30. John (if that is your real name),

    Whatever you want to think, genius. (Psst! That use of “genius” was ironic sarcasm.) The only confusion here was your conflation of prostitutes and sex therapists. You don’t owe me an apology as I was never confused because I know what words actually mean, words like “prostitute”, “sex therapist” and “imbecile”. As for help, I hope a remedial English as a second language instructor is in your life whether it’s in a romantic capacity or not.

    I take it that was clear enough for you.

    If not, I still . . . really don’t care.

  31. I have read two or three articles about this matter. The film crew will not be present during the consummation of the “deal,” and it will take place in an airplane over international waters. That will take her out of the jurisdiction of any legal system that could prosecute her for prostitution. I hope they give the happy couple a set of wings to certify they are also now members of the Mile High Club.

  32. Smom,

    The problem with that analysis is there are only a small handful of places where prostitution is legal. It skews the sample space. If prostitution were legal, it could be licensed and monitored to mitigate the minors problem. The problem there is you are dealing with pedophiles who will without doubt turn to slavers if they have the means no matter if consensual sex with adults is legal or not. Again, tangential, but keeping prostitution among consensual adults illegal in no way mitigates the slavery issue and probably exacerbates it as not all of their “product” is under aged. Many are girls of age and lured from foreign countries with promises of real jobs and a better life somewhere else only to find out they are the victims of pimps and slavers. You are arguing from emotion. Slavery no matter the final disposition of the “product” is simply wrong and should remain illegal no matter what. But prostitution between (and this is a key distinction) between consenting adults? That is a victimless crime. Slavery vitiates consent as does the age of minority.

  33. Gene, It could be a victimless crime but most often is not . Throw underage prostitutes, abuse, slavery, drugs, pimps into the mix. I don’t think it is going to become legal anymore than polygamy is going to become the law of the land.

  34. smom:

    slavery is the problem. Anytime your energies are used to support someone else and you are not free to act on your own volition it is slavery.

  35. “Gene, It could be a victimless crime but most often is not . Throw underage prostitutes, abuse, slavery, drugs, pimps into the mix.”

    Again, that is from emotion. Legalized prostitution would mitigate if not eliminate the abuse, drugs, pimps and open use of under age prostitutes provided that laws and regulations are enforced. In places like the Netherlands where prostitution is legal, the problems they experience today (which are considerable as related to slavery, but not so much as related to drugs) are more directly attributable to lack of enforcement coupled with a huge organized crime element. It’s like gambling in the early days of Vegas. In the late 50’s, early 60’s it was a lawless wild west gangster paradise. It was until the 70’s and 80’s when large corporations came in with the financial and governmental leverage to drive the gangsters out and/or underground again. The same dynamic should work with prostitution. Once legalized prostitution becomes a legitimate business with real regulation it would be just like Vegas after the corporations came in and drove the mob out: Disneyland with hookers who get screed for STD’s, proper record keeping and wage practices, and the workers protected by legitimate security personnel rather than socio- and psychopathic pimps.

    I suspect we are simply going to disagree on this matter.

  36. Gene,

    Just a thought: I’d say that we have seen a lot of financial corruption and unethical practices in the arena of legitimate businesses/corporations and on Wall Street in recent years. Was it all legal? I wonder if we’ll ever know. I happen to think that the mafia has infiltrated many “legitimate” businesses.
    Wherever there is lots of money to be made, you’ll find those willing to do almost anything to enrich themselves.

  37. Elaine,

    I’m the last one to argue that law enforcement, both in terms of actual enforcement and equal enforcement, are not some of the first victims of the corruption that runs rife in our government. The love of money destroys everything it touches and it drives corruption at the base. We won’t see any improvement in this until we remove unfettered unlimited “campaign contributions” from both the electoral system and remove money from the lobbying equation while shutting the revolving door between lobbying and public office.

  38. Elaine:

    The powerful on both sides of the aisle stick it to the people.

    End regulation and taxation now for people and business making less than $200,000/year. Power to the people.

  39. Bron,

    As we’ve discussed many times before, you can’t end regulation – it serves a legitimate and legal function – but we do need to have better more rational and less regulation geared to protect big industry from competition from below. On the tax issue? That’s a little extreme, but it goes to what I’ve contended all along – those at the higher end of the income spectrum be they individuals or corporations should bear the proportionally greater tax burden as they receive the bigger share of the benefits from our tax spending.

  40. Legalizing prostitution could end up being a libertarian’s nightmare. It would be an administrative nightmare for the government also. More laws, more records, IRS involvement, homeland security involvement,……… and i think the majority of it would still stay underground. We will just have to disagree.

  41. Wow! What a discussion about a sick situation. Although I agree that sex between two consenting adults should not be illegal, selling yourself on the internet is disgusting. Is this the only thing this young woman has to offer society?

  42. Rafflaw, why are we assuming she must offer something to society?

    Perhaps she only wants to get as much as possible for herself and if that is true, it’s probably not only perfectly legal but culturally appropriate. I don’t even know.

    I agree with you that it is a sick situation. But this sick situation is a natural “unintended consequence” of a sick society and we are undoubtedly that and this young woman is not to blame for the fact that she has been born and raised in it. She will not be doing anything illegal unless she departs from the script. If she does depart from the script and do something illegal, it’s difficult to figure out who, if anyone, will prosecute. If any of that happens she will presumably have a debt to society and THEN she will presumably be required to somehow pay that debt, but as of now, none of that having happened, I say she doesn’t owe me or the rest of society anything, and if she never offers me anything, I won’t be terribly upset.

  43. rafflaw,

    We have politicians who sell themselves/their services to the highest bidders. I guess we could call them prostitutes and no different from this young woman.

  44. Gene H The only confusion here was your conflation of prostitutes and sex therapists.

    Ahh there’s the problem, you posted the definition of a prostitute…which states that she receives money for sex.

    I was merely trying to point out that a flat statement like that, with no exceptions, encompasses ANY incident. By that definition.
    Which you seemed to agree with, by calling her a prostitute under that definition.

    Anyway I guess we’re squared away….hopefully.
    ————————————————————

    BTW liked your post: “But prostitution between (and this is a key distinction) between consenting adults? That is a victimless crime. Slavery vitiates consent as does the age of minority.”

    oh also, no John isn’t my real name. But I will say my Grand Mother was 15 when she married my Grand Father who was 32 years older than her.

    And also my great grandmother was a slave.
    When their parents died in a flu epidemic at Ellis Island, her brother was sent to relatives in NY, and the girl was sent to an Aunt in Iowa.
    The Aunt sold her into bondage to a farmer. After the farmer’s wife died, he loaded her onto the buckboard & took her to town to marry her.

    For some reason people only think blacks were slaves back then.

    Later—

  45. Bron 1, October 26, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Dredd:

    Putin has a problem, I know this isnt your old Soviet Union. That they still exist as human beings is proof that Russia’s leadership is full of pu$$ies.

    Putin cant even control his women and yet Obama is willing to be more flexible?
    ========================================
    Calling people who are perceived as weak “pu$$ies is sexist.

    Pussy Riot proves that to be wrong headed.

    Where are the real men activists with the “big muskels” (Popeye) standing up to Putin?

  46. Oh John, most of us realized that there were many kinds of slaves. The enslavement of the African Americans for about 300 years was accompanied by slave laws, however, so it was capable of identification and opposition by means recorded in the history of the many rather than the still true stories of the few.

    Also, in terms of actual sociological conditions women were slaves in the institution of marriage well into the 20th century. Some would say beyond…

  47. Malisha,

    I have little doubt that we have members of the GOP who would love to return to those “good ole days” when women knew their place and lived only to serve the men in their lives.

  48. Are there any Brasilian girls left who are still virgins? I doubt it though. But it is a nice business model if they can ” rehymenise” themselves as it often happens to the Muslim girls in Germany.

    Brasil is a well known a plastic surgery haven and is one of the best plastic surgery countries in the world. A friend of mine who is one of them is a gazzilionere. Many Americans and Europeans go there for this purpose

    After having lived in Brasil for 10 years, I have come to know a lot about the country which I visit quite often. One of the best thing is that If one went out with a chic and she liked you on the first date but you did not have sex with her, you would be labelled gay. This was the culture then and still remains now as well.

    One more anecdote about this fantastic Brasil. The country is littered with Motels with mirrored ceilings.It is because most of the kids live with their parents till they get married. So, cousins meet cousins while waiting in the parking lots for a room vacancy for an hour to have their go.

  49. Malisha,

    Awful lot of nannies here!

    “Get outa my pussy. If there is an idiot who wants to impress his jap buddies with his cash, then I’m willing.”, says the Brazilian woman.

    Churchill found one. And I don’t care what the others do with them.

    Now we are back discussing what women do with their bodies. Isn’t that what we disparage the Repugs and evangelists for doing?

  50. Oh, my goodness! What happens if she gets pregnant? You’re going to have to pay a lot more than the bid price.

  51. There is overt prostitution and then there are lesser varieties. Some person doing some sort of sex act in a movie is a porn star not a prostitute and a high paid actress who is paid to kiss some schmuck in the movie is getting paid for a lesser level of sex. So there is no fine line when it comes to movies and it is usually women who want to stomp out prostitution because they cant stand the competition.

  52. It has been fifty years since sixteen year old Leslie Gore recorded this iconic song. At 66, she is still fighting for the same rights. It is about damn time the knuckledraggers slunk back into their caves.

  53. FairlyBalanced,

    “So there is no fine line when it comes to movies and it is usually women who want to stomp out prostitution because they cant stand the competition.”

    Give me a break! Many men in our society like to demean women…treat them as second class citizens…perceive them only as sex objects…try to legislate their rights away. If there are women who want to stomp out prostitution, it isn’t because they fear the competition. I’d say they fear/dislike the debasement of their sex.

  54. Otteray Scribe 1, October 26, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    It has been fifty years since sixteen year old Leslie Gore recorded this iconic song. At 66, she is still fighting for the same rights. It is about damn time the knuckledraggers slunk back into their caves
    ——————————————————————
    She can keep her boobs to herself. Nobody wants any of that anyway. Tell her the ovaries are spent already.

  55. Matt, do you have to work at being a jerk, or does it come naturally? Now crawl back under your rock where you belong.

  56. Otteray Scribe 1, October 26, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Matt, do you have to work at being a jerk, or does it come naturally? Now crawl back under your rock where you belong.
    ———————————————————-
    My best friend, OS. When were you neutered?

  57. GeneH,
    All for authority on English language. But how long is she going to be a prostitute? For the rest of her life, even if she has done it only once? So OED would consider her a prostitute when she’s on her deathbed though she did this when she was a young woman? Despite having tried cigarettes once, I am not a smoker. Despite having once been a bookkeeper I am not now a bookkeeper. Time matters. Intention matters. Forms of the “be” verb make a difference. Was a bookkeeper. Will be a prostitute. The point about the sex therapist (sounds like surrogate would be correct) is a valid point. If therapy is the goal, then no, it’s not prostitution and the person is not a prostitute.

  58. raff, I know. Troll’s gotta do what a troll’s gotta do. They can’t help themselves. Typical seventh grader. Wonder if his parents know he is playing on the computer unsupervised?

  59. A couple of things need clarification here. We all know that a Japanese person was the winner. I have no idea how many of you know that Brasil has the largest Japanese population outside Japan and secondly, Prostitution is legal in Brasil. Many travel agents arrange charter flights from the US and from Europe for this to and fro fun.

  60. Writing the day after is at times fun, mostly for yourself. But not otherwise.

    Mohammed is said to have proclaimed (sura?) that men and women are EQUAL in the eyes of Allah.
    Is it observerd? Nope.

    Just like Jesus words are said to be ignored also.

  61. Doug,

    There are different words for different things in the English language for a reason.

    This woman is not a psychological professional, sex therapist, sex surrogate or otherwise.

    She’s selling her virginity – i.e. having sex – in exchange for money with no mitigating circumstances ergo she’s a prostitute.

    Whether prostitution should or should not be illegal is a separate issues. Whether or not the word prostitute carries an inherent negative value load in our society is a separate issue. The bottom line is she is what she is and that word in English is “prostitute”. At no time did I pass judgement on her or her choices. It should be clear by this time that I’m at best indifferent and think prostitution should be legal.

    My objection was that her saying she was not a prostitute is simply and categorically false by definition.

  62. Good point, GeneH.

    Do you think the world cares? I don’t think it does, ie unfortunately the world doesn’t care about incorrect word use.

    Why, look at the massive indifference to the terms misused by our leaders. And that is far more serious than eventual misuse here. Do we agree? Of course we do.

    But a little fun we will all have, ie playing our games.

  63. GeneH,
    I’m not passing judgment and did not think you were either. But my genuine question is, for how long is she a prostitute? If she intends to prostitute herself only once and at the end of her life she has still done it only once, is she still a prostitute? Am I still a bookkeeper at the end of my life if I stopped long ago? I think that is relevant to how we use the word.

  64. “But my genuine question is, for how long is she a prostitute?”

    I’m pretty sure it’s a transactional relationship, Doug. Just because you don’t keep books anymore doesn’t make you not a bookkeeper. It makes you an inactive bookkeeper. Attorney’s who quit practicing law don’t cease to be lawyers. They cease practicing. A murderer, even if they only killed once, does not cease to be a murderer. Just so, ask any alcoholic. There are no ex-alcoholics. Just alcoholics and recovering alcoholics. A person is the accumulation of their experiences and actions. We are what our pasts make us. We are what we are even if we don’t actively engage in past activities.

    Should she have to wear a scarlet A on her chest for the rest of her life?

    No.

    But what she’s doing is prostitution and that makes her a prostitute.

  65. And marriage has been called legal prostitution. The method of payment and obligations are different, but the principle is the same, say some.

    I have wondered about that one time and now seems like an opportuned tome to get the nut cracked by an expert.

    No praise intended. Just straight talk here.

  66. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, is not my concern. The government, any government, should get out of the anti-sex business. Completely criminalizing all aspects of prostitution just pushes it underground.

  67. We dont know he was Japanese and we certainly do know they get false virginities all the time so as to con people for money. To do this publically is dangerous as others start these scams and get rich dangerous schemes. Wives and girlfriends get badly heartbroken when they discover a man they loved is giving a fortune to prostitues who even pretend its for charity. I see prettier decent hardwoprking girls in macdonalds. She was cracked before no doubt. as for her mouth, yuk.

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