Two And A Half Men . . . And A Hypocrite

Angus T. Jones has a curious way of demonstrating his deep Christian faith. Jones is shown in a new video denouncing the show “Two and a Half Men” as “filth” and a danger to Christian children and values. The problem is that Jones plays Jake Harper on the show and receives a reported $350,000 an episode. You may recall that Charlie Sheen was kicked off the show for making disparaging comments about the show and “dangerously self-destructive conduct.” While Sheen was not fired under a “morality clause,” such provisions are common in television contracts. Could denouncing the show as immoral violate the Morality Clause?

Jones’ comments came in a video for the Forerunner Christian Church. The 19-year-old actor told the faithful “I’m on ‘Two and a Half Men’ and I don’t want to be on it. If you watch ‘Two and a Half Men,’ please stop watching it and filling your head with filth. People say it’s just entertainment. Do some research on the effects of television and your brain, and I promise you you’ll have a decision to make when it comes to television, especially with what you watch.”

He then appears to struggle with the fact that he is producing the very “filth” that he is condemning: “If I am doing any harm, I don’t want to be here. I don’t want to be contributing to the enemy’s plan … You cannot be a true God-fearing person and be on a television show like that. I know I can’t. I’m not OK with what I’m learning, what the Bible says and being on that television show.”

His learning curve appears to include continuing to rack up almost $400,000 an episode for this “filth.”

Jones reportedly also warned against the onslaught on faith as an attendee of the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Los Angeles:
“I have always gone to a Christian school since I was in kindergarten, but my faith was basically non-existent… School started to take a back seat more and more through high school. Two or three years ago my parents started have marital issues and started to go through the process of getting a divorce. At the time I also started dating this girl and when I look back now I see that as a time when the enemy was trying to push me in that direction, but God knew he was going to pull me out at the last second.” He did proclaim however that he was able to remain a virgin because “right then this cleansing phenomenon and presence came into me… I felt like I had just accepted God.” That again led him to denounce his own show: “My television show has nothing to do with God and doesn’t want anything to do with God, so it is a strange position I am put in.” It is probably doubtful that Chuck Lorre would go for “Two and a Half Men and God” in the coming season.

Jones insists that he is required to continue to make unGodly filth: “I am under contract for another year so it is not too much of a decision on my part. I know God has me there for a reason for another year.” The reason appears to be a filth peddler.

It will be interesting to see how Lorre approaches these comments after the Sheen controversy. I have never seen the show and do not watch prime time television. I am perfectly willing to believe that it is a sleaze fest. Jones was attending religious schools (according to some interviews) when he signed the contract. It is not clear if he thought the show was a PBS production, but it clearly did not bother him at that time.

However, assuming that Jones found God after signing the contract, I would be interested if his lawyers have made an overture to the producers to seek an early departure from the contract. It would seem unimaginable for Jones to continue to accept the money for producing filth that destroys the souls of unwitting children. It would be reminiscent of the famous Churchillian story about “price.” According to legend, Winston Churchill once asked a socialite if she would sleep with him for 1 million pounds. When she admitted that she would, he offered one pound. “Winston! What sort of woman do you think I am?,” the woman objected. He responded, “We have already established what you are, now we are just haggling over price.”

The most interesting question is whether Lorre could fire Jones under a morality clause and other provision. The comments of Jones not only actively discourage viewers but could discourage advertisers in supporting what one of the actors calls unadulterated filth.

If he has the same contract as Sheen, the studio asserted a general basis for termination based on failure to perform his required duties and a provision that allows termination for an act “which constitutes a felony offense involving moral turpitude under federal, state, or local laws, or in indicted or convicted of any such offense.” That would not fit an act denouncing moral turpitude, presumably. Moreover, actors should be allowed to have and espouse faith. What makes this more interesting is that the espousal of faith was the act of denouncing the show as evil.

The specific grounds might not matter. Presumably, Jones would not contest a termination since he has said that he is miserable in his current role. If so, who would challenge? Of course, if they fired him for moral turpitude, it could lead to an interesting lawsuit where an actor who denounced the show as immoral would fight to continue to make the immoral show rather than be declared immoral.

This is why I watch football. It is easier to follow.

Source: Fox

86 thoughts on “Two And A Half Men . . . And A Hypocrite

  1. “If I am doing any harm, I don’t want to be here. …..”
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    Sounds reasonable and mature to me. Angus was 10 years old when first plowed up as the $$$$$$tar glue for Two and a half Men. Now that he is 19 he is coming of age and demonstrating a desire to not be a hypocrit. I support and admire that in people in this very weird and plastic world.

    From Wikipedia…’Jones is fond of collecting quirky socks and propellor hats.[1] He is a Seventh-day Adventist. On October 8, 2012, at the Adventist Media Center in Los Angeles, Angus shared a testimony of his conversion (which was his 19th birthday).[9] In a November, 2012 interview with the religious YouTube channel The Forerunner Chronicles, Jones asked viewers to stop watching Two and a Half Men, stating that he has severe moral objections to the program due to his beliefs as a Seventh-Day Adventist.[10]’

    It is my understanding that he is simply working out the remaining 10 months of his contract, not playing both sides of the very wonky fence….

    disclaimer: I used to watch the show when he was a pudgy and adorable child and the content was less….._______________.

  2. It’s a sleazy show, that just happens to have featured him as a child whose principal role is as the target of nasty jokes. Whatever his reasons, he will be well off away from that show.

    He’s still young and when he first started obviously he was too young to make an informed decision. He may well be under contract mainly because as a minor he had to delegate all career commitments to a guardian. Now he’s an adult his best course is probably to let his contract run out.

  3. AY,

    Don’t you mean Ron Jeremy? Jeremy Irons has made a couple of racy movies – including a very good version of “Lolita” – but I’m pretty sure he hasn’t made any porn.

    **********

    Angus,

    I’m glad you’re into learning. You’re about to learn a lesson about show business and business in general. As I learned it, “Dance with who brought you.” This also applies to proms.

  4. jimm, not all people of faith belong to the GOP and not all that are Democrats are atheist.

    not all policemen are ‘good’
    not all courts are ‘just’
    some people are just not what they seem, it seems….

  5. oh my non existent god….

    WOW!!!! This is just SAD..

    Lore messed up firing Charlie Sheen…. Now look what has happened to that kid….. he is screwing up a great opportunity…..

    There is NOTHING worse for a show than when one of the actors decides
    they have found jesus….

    I was a huge fan of the show Person of Interest….
    Then I found out that one of the stars of the show Jim Caveizel, is a serious born again christian…. I still like the show…. BUT, it kind of turns me off knowing that the main star spends his weekends preaching at different christian churches…. and I mean FULL ON Preaching….

    This kid could just quit and pay back the money from this filth…..
    Of course in doing so, he would destroy the show and hurt the other peoples careers….

    Oh this just makes me sad….

    I hope my daughter never finds jesus….

    I would be fine if she found Judaism….. I can handle Jewish people FAR MORE than Christians…..
    Christians just tend to go WAYYYYY overboard…..
    I grew up going to Catholic School….. and still born again christians make me very uncomfortable…… I do NOT NEED people to tell me, that they have MY life all figured out….

    and the Hypocrisy here with this kid Angus, is just too much…..

  6. Gene,

    There’s a correction page for that….. Lol… Duly noted… YOU are correct…. It’s a duh day I guess as my 13 year old told me last night….

  7. I’m sorry… but, I find it REALLY hard to admire somebody who is willing to throw away this kind of opportunity…..
    he is not only hurting himself…. he is hurting his costars…..

    It is a harmless show that hurts NOBODY….. it is done in good fun…..

    The people of the USA need to stop getting their panties in a bunch over
    such jokes….

    This show does NOT promote violence…. NOR does it promote bad character…..
    It is a comedy…. NOTHING MORE…. nothing less…..

  8. Give back all the Millions…. and STFU!!!! It took till you were 19 to figure out the show??? You’re not very smart, little chrsitian worm….

  9. It seems that if the work so disturbed young Mr. Jones he could refuse to do it & forfeit the money coming his way. If he really believes what he says I would support him taking that step. But my guess is he will continue to accept the millions the show has brought him and will bring him.

    I always feel bad for kids who get too much money too soon, it messes with their heads in ways that are hard to fix. Good luck to him.

  10. I have never watched even one episode. But I do understand the conflict in the sense that someone once said “it is difficult for a person to have a certain belief when their salary is involved.” (paraphrased)

    Soldiers have the same dilemma when they go from sitting in a pew singing about “God so loved the world …”, then they end up far away from the pew gunning down heathens for the Lord.

    Same difference. Different episode.

    The ancient Romans had a solution, they became members of Mithraism, a clone of churchianity.

    It was such a good clone that one of their Caesars and fellow members of Mirthraism, Emperor Caesar Constantine, made Christianity legal too.

    Constantine had seen a large cross in the sky in a vision:

    he had a dream in which Christ explained to him that he should use the sign of the cross against his enemies. Eusebius then continues to describe the Labarum, the military standard used by Constantine in his later wars …

    (Wikipedia). That sign of Empire is a source of conflict in more ways than one.

  11. gurl – I find the show misogynistic and crude. I actually enjoyed it a lot when Sheen was there because I enjoy that sort of humor even though I recognize that fundamentally it hates women and is not all that fond of men either. As Mr. Lorre has proven repeatedly nobody ever went broke underestimating TV viewers. (although Big Bang is not neither as misogynistic nor as crude it has its moments)

    I was particularly concerned about the kid in the show because of the dialog. Sheen once said that they taped a lot of the worse stuff while the kid was away but watching the show I’m not sure I buy that.

  12. I would say he just sunk any future he has in television or the movies. He should have kept his mouth shut and worked with script writers to slowly make changes. If that is what he wanted. He may just be saying that to get out of his contract because he has something else he wants to do and cant because of the contract.

    That would also be a good excuse for his future boss.

  13. Further proof towards the evolving theory:

    ” They (teenagers) are on their way to becoming adults, but they are not fully there (or as this paper’s authors say, they are still partly “under construction”). And one aspect of their overall development that is not fully complete—perhaps until the mid 20’s—is a stable, solid capacity to make complex judgments, weigh closely competing
    alternatives in a balanced and careful way, control impulses and take the longer view. An important reason that these so-called “executive functions” are not reliably in full effect in adolescence is that they
    spring from a particular area of the brain—the prefrontal cortex—which is one of the last areas of the brain to fully mature … As Jay Giedd himself has said, “Teenagers are capable of enormous intellectual and artistic accomplishments, but the basic part of the brain that gives us strategies and organizing and perhaps warns us of potential consequences is not fully on board yet.”

    http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/BRAIN.pdf

  14. The show has a sexual overtone….
    As I woman, I don’t find it degrading to women….

    I do NOT see it as hating on women at all….

    People are sexual being…. men and women EQUALLY are sexual..
    It does NOT promote hurting women…. or beating women…. or degrading women….
    It promotes women as being sexual beings….. what is wrong with that????

    I do NOT see what is wrong with that….

    when Charlie Sheen was on the show…. when he was in a relationship he
    was loyal to the woman he was in a relationship with… he NEVER treated the women badly…. or degraded them…..

    There were a lot of drunk jokes… and nudity jokes…. jokes about Allen having less money… Jokes about Allen being Cheap….. Jokes about the kid being dumb…. jokes about divorce…. BUT, a LOT of people find those kinds of jokes to be funny….

    Who really cares???? the show NEVER promoted people to be MALICIOUS to one another…..

    There are shows that are FAR worse out there…..

  15. I was particularly concerned about the kid in the show because of the dialog. Sheen once said that they taped a lot of the worse stuff while the kid was away but watching the show I’m not sure I buy that.

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    Well then you would be shocked at the way my parents talked around me…..
    and the way I talk around my daughter….. which has been much like the show…. I tend to have that kind of sense of humor…

    My daughter and I watched 2 and Half Men when she was 10 years old….

    I have NEVER felt the NEED to shelter my daughter from harmless jokes…..
    and fact is…. if you met my 14 year old daughter, you would be SHOCKED at how level headed she is and how mature she is…..

    at 14 she is not sneaking around….. she tells me EVERYTHING… we are REALLY close…. she does not drink or even want to drink….
    I know that because I told her that if she did… I would not be upset…..
    she is just not that kind of kid….
    If a boy treats her in a disrespectful manner… she puts him in their place VERY quick…. and she has REALLY HIGH self esteem…..

    I felt that sheltering her from stupid jokes is NOT going to help her become a good human being…..
    Helping her to understand what is right and what is wrong, makes her a good and balances human being…
    this is done by being open and honest… NOT be sheltering them from stupid jokes….

  16. If Angus believes what he says, he can quit today. There is no contract that can make him perform, esp if he risks hellfire. He simply would be prohibited from working elsewhere (in show bus) until his contract expires. But 9 years x 26 episodes / year x ~$300,000…. Hmmm His bank account should hold for a year or two.

  17. If he is going to act like this and spit in the face of this opportunity….
    Then for him to NOT be a hypocrite… he should have to give back the money he has made…. OR at least give it to Charity…..

    I would not want him to be wracked with guilt over keeping money he has made from this kind of “FILTH”……

  18. Anonymously Yours
    1, November 27, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Wootsy,

    Who got him in the business?
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    As a 10 year old, the onus would fall to his parents….as a human bean, I know all too well the conflict that the road to adulthood is paved with….throw a few million at me at the age of 10 and I would (well, in my next life I’d like to experiment with that equation….)who knows? But it is gutsy for this kid to stand on that particular world stage and do what he is doing. No, he should not give any of that EARNED money back….he operated in good faith even if he was surrounded by sewer brains. And I find his honesty refreshing, he is willing to honor a contract he made….if the studio wants to own his offstage words they can cancel his contract. My guess is that that is what will happen.

  19. But 9 years x 26 episodes / year x ~$300,000…. Hmmm His bank account should hold for a year or two.
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    I smell……………………………ENVIOSITY!!!!!!!!!!

  20. Two and a Half Men was a comedy about two brothers, Charlie and Alan Harper. Charlie was a hedonist, womanizer, drunk, gambler, and wealthy. In an iconic scene, a woman says, “Charlie, from one person I hear you are a brilliant song writer and musician. From another I hear you are a falling down drunk that landed in a pit of money. Which is it?” Charlie’s answer: “Both!”

    Alan is a divorced chiropractor and has a son (Jake). Alan is a sad sack, constantly down on his luck. With no place to go after his wife kicks him out, Alan moves in with his wealthy brother Charlie, a large house on the Malibu beach, but Charlie refuses to change anything about his lifestyle to accommodate Alan and Jake. He is generous; he tips the pizza guy $50, but he is a perpetual adolescent and takes much pleasure in tweaking his perpetually unfortunate brother who is awkward with women and stingy with money.

    Jake (who started as a young boy) in this scenario is a foil for expressing the dichotomy between the brothers. His father Alan follows the rules, works hard, and gets screwed, he is careful with money but never has any. Jake’s uncle Charlie breaks the rules, never really works, and is showered with money and a parade of beautiful women into his bedroom.

    The kid is there (originally) as a dialogue device, the “tourist” that doesn’t understand the culture he has fallen into and needs things explained to him, so Charlie can give his funny reasons for why he does what he does, and Alan can explain why that is all wrong even if it works. Then maybe the writers can have something funny for Jake to say about his take on it.

    The show (before Sheen’s meltdown) was not evil, nor was it monotone, Charlie occasionally got burned financially (only to subsequently recover it all in spades) or emotionally, Alan occasionally wins (if only to lose it all afterwards).

    It is a PG show played for laughs, other than the occasional reference to or appearance of “professional” girls that Charlie knows, the characters are all harmless and law abiding.

    To me, Angus is just another victim of religion convincing somebody to act against their own best interest. As young as he started I do not think his acting career was really a choice made by him, so he is in fact like Charlie Harper; he fell into a pit of money, and at 19 he has an easy job that 99% of adults would love to have, entertaining people that watch entirely of their own free will and harming nobody. There isn’t even any REAL sinning or promiscuity involved, it is all an act, in PG-13.

    But close-minded religionists have convinced him he doesn’t want the money, he doesn’t want to make people laugh, they have convinced him of the ridiculous premise that people watching a sitcom are going to take what the fictional characters do as an authoritative message on how to live their lives.

    That is just sad. Angus is stupid. If he truly feels that way, let him use this harmless entertainment to undo more evil than it ever caused: Keep $50,000 per year of that income, which is what the average person in America lives on, and donate the rest of those millions to some battered women’s shelters, to some free clinics and shelters for the homeless. Do not donate it to the church, we do not need another gold column or lavish cathedral. Do some good. Otherwise he is just another wealthy hypocrite.

  21. To me, Angus is just another victim of religion convincing somebody to act against their own best interest. As young as he started I do not think his acting career was really a choice made by him, so he is in fact like Charlie Harper; he fell into a pit of money, and at 19 he has an easy job that 99% of adults would love to have, entertaining people that watch entirely of their own free will and harming nobody. There isn’t even any REAL sinning or promiscuity involved, it is all an act, in PG-13.

    But close-minded religionists have convinced him he doesn’t want the money, he doesn’t want to make people laugh, they have convinced him of the ridiculous premise that people watching a sitcom are going to take what the fictional characters do as an authoritative message on how to live their lives.

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    What is MORE sad is that he is actually in a business where he is HELPING people by providing comic relief…..

    he makes people laugh therefore providing them an outlet… a way to escape what is stressing and hurting them in their lives….
    That is what comedy shows are for… for people to forget about what is ailing them……

    Laughter is GREAT medicine….

    It is just a shame that a church has convinced him otherwise…..

    By the way…. Tony C…. YOU hit it OUT of the park again…..

    VERY well said….. I agree 100%….

  22. gurl – all the women in the show are sluts and/or manipulative while the men are users or losers who get led around by these women.

    How you raise your kids is up to you but a lot of the discussion on the show was ‘mature’ and not in any sort of affirming way. It could certainly give a young kid a warped view of human relationships. YMMV.

    As an adult I found the show entertaining but I also recognize that it is not real life. A 10 YO boy living inside that bubble might not. At 19 he gets to make his own choices, if he wants out he should get out. He should not condemn the show while pocketing something like 4-5 million dollars a year from it.

  23. I love that video, the line in the hand fits the banana just right, isnt that an explanation for the evolution of the banana or the human hand?

    I want to see Jenna Jamison do a similar video. :)

  24. Chuck Lorre would be wise to forebear from pistol whipping the spoiled little dikhead and introduce bizare religious contentions between the dad and some girlfirend’s dad who is a preacher not a teacher. Put the kid in the middle and have his role to defend some anti Christ position. Have Pat Robertson come on the show and denigrate all those athiests who stole Xmas and make the kid take a Pagan position against him and accuse Pat and Pope Julius the First of moving Christ birthday (from July) into the Pagan holiday season in December. Make the spoiled little jerk squirm.

  25. @Frankly: How I raise my kids is up to me, and I made sure my kid understood that sitcoms characters are purposely caricatures. I also made sure my kid understood that the process of writing fiction, in books and movies, lets writers play God, so the story can have the guy that shouldn’t win get lucky and win anyway. The scripts almost always write in a critical slip up for the bad guys so they can get caught, or a distraction so they miss the critical point, or the lucky break of a loose pipe or rotten board or an overlooked shard of glass or piece of wire that lets the good guy save himself just in the nick of time. Sitcoms are particularly guilty, the writers have 22 pages (double spaced, very wide margins; scripts are designed to present roughly one minute of screen time per page) to produce three acts; a setup, middle and conclusion. They are excellent fodder for analysis in storytelling, because writers strive to never waste a line, so nearly everything a character says or does is either laying pipe (setting up a joke for later) or a punchline. (I think that is entertaining even if you know what is going on as you watch it.)

    I think a sitcom that gives a young kid a warped view of human relationships is a kid raised by an incompetent parent that has failed to teach their child a critical life lesson, the difference between reality and a fantasy that can be engineered to produce any outcome the writer may imagine. Particularly in sitcoms, where the comedy is produced by incongruity, windfalls, and other unlikely coincidences, convenient miscalculations, misunderstandings and oversights and oddball outcomes.

  26. I never watched its show because the plot-line didn’t interest me. It’s a TV show though, obviously popular and certainly not the personification of evil. I believe the show could drop the kid for “conduct detrimental……..etc., which must be in the contract. The kid, however, is full of it when he says he can’t quit due to his contract. He can quit and the only effect would be that he couldn’t take other acting jobs until the end of his contract. I don’t believe that contractually you can force an artist to perform. As was put above in the “Churchillian” sense, we already know the kid has his price.

  27. gurl – all the women in the show are sluts and/or manipulative while the men are users or losers who get led around by these women.

    ———————–

    Of the women that Charlie dated…..

    one was a Dance instructor….
    One was a Judge….
    One was a Lawyer….
    one was a teacher….
    one was a Real-estate broker….

    not to mention others who were NOT uneducated

    as for the SLUTS remark….
    why is it that in 2012 women who have sexual relations with a man are still looked at as sluts????

    and if they were sluts, as YOU say….

    What is wrong with women liking sex???
    If a woman like sex and has sex with different men…. yet she does NOT hurt anyone or lie or cheat on anybody…. why is she looked at in such a derogatory manner?????

    lastly…. as Tony said… I taught my daughter the difference between real and fiction….
    That these were characters on a show…. they did NOT represent REAL life……

  28. @justagurl: I think if anybody was a (fictional) slut, it was Charlie Harper! After all, the fiction was (in one of the episodes after a breakup) that Charlie could sleep with four or five different women every day for weeks on end; he was the pickup artist extraordinaire, literally the guy that could walk into a bar and walk out with two women in under a minute.

    I haven’t seen every episode with Charlie Harper; but to my recollection the women were seldom portrayed as having many partners; and certainly not as many as Charlie. In fact the only one I recall being portrayed as promiscuous was Alan and Charlie’s mother; the female version of Charlie.

  29. @ Tony….

    EXACTLY…. I felt that they were careful to NOT present all women as sluts…. and what you said is true… if anybody on the show was portrayed as a slut, it was Charlie Harper….

    I thought that most of the women that Charlie dated, came off as quite intelligent….. and many of them as leaders… NOT whimpering dumb girls…. and most certainly not sluts….
    and yes… his mother was portrayed as being quite sexually liberal…..

    there were a few women that acted as the “Dumb Blonde”…
    BUT, NOT all or even most of them…..

  30. ‘Could denouncing the show as immoral violate the Morality Clause?’
    ————
    “I’m on ‘Two and a Half Men’ and I don’t want to be on it. ” ~Angus

    “If I am doing any harm, I don’t want to be here. I don’t want to be contributing to the enemy’s plan … You cannot be a true God-fearing person and be on a television show like that. I know I can’t. I’m not OK with what I’m learning, what the Bible says and being on that television show.”~Angus

    I don’t know about what morality clause but I don’t believe that forcing someone to do something against their will is moral…especially if it involves a contract made by 3rd parties.

    and yes, the show has definitely evolved into territory far beyond what it initially offerred, as usual, upping the shock value to increase ratings.

  31. @Nick: Because the blog post is about an actor on Two and a Half Men, and whether his opinion of his show as “evil” is warranted. It is not a general fan forum for discussing all TV shows. And whether a TV series is “good” is a subjective matter; I personally thought Two and a Half Men was good, some years ago. In retrospect, probably before Charlie Sheen got carried away with his addiction problems.

  32. Aw, he’s pissed because his character’s been written out of the plots for all practical purposes. He should be thankful to his Jebus that he’s making so much money for doing so little when kids in the real world are having to really enlist in the AVF or flip burgers or work at car washes when they don’t have the cash to go to college!

  33. @Woosty: I don’t believe that forcing someone to do something against their will is moral…

    I do not believe it is moral to sign a contract to perform in a role and then, after collecting pay for years, try to get out of your contract by claiming some new found moral discomfort. Angus is betraying a business partner, and that is immoral.

  34. I’ve never watched the show but the two clips were funny.

    I think he’s in a phase of religiosity. By the time he’s 21 or 22 he may have passed through it, or not. He should be let out of his contract if that’s what he wants. He seems like a pretty good actor so he should be offered roles in more “wholesome” productions. Or he can go the way of most child actors and go into an entirely different career.

  35. gurl – the way Charlie used & discarded them is how that term got there. I wouldn’t call them sluts but Charlie did – dodging them after sex, lying and ignoring them.The couple that actually turn the tables & dumped him became the exception. But there is still a constant stream of women using sex to get what they wanted from Allen constantly and Charlie occasionally.

    The main themes of the show were Charlies use of women as receptacles and women using sex to get what they want out of men. Neither is a healthy attitude to grow up with.

    Note particularly the episodes with “April” and the divorce.

  36. Let me see if I’ve got this straight – Angus gets to hang around with gorgeous women and make a pile of money to boot. Instead of seeing himself as blessed by God, he wants to quit.

    God just can’t catch a break.

  37. gurl – the way Charlie used & discarded them is how that term got there. I wouldn’t call them sluts but Charlie did – dodging them after sex, lying and ignoring them.The couple that actually turn the tables & dumped him became the exception. But there is still a constant stream of women using sex to get what they wanted from Allen constantly and Charlie occasionally.

    ———–

    @ Frankly….

    Well, I guess you and I saw it differently then….

    He had relationships and fell in love quite often….
    Then when a relationship would break off… he would do what many
    young, good looking, single people do…..
    Go out and have fun…..

    as for the women getting what they want…. other than Kandi.. Allen did NOT have anything for them to go after…..
    and Charlie dated a LOT of successful women….
    so, I just don’t see it the way you do…..

  38. “I do not believe it is moral to sign a contract to perform in a role and then, after collecting pay for years, try to get out of your contract by claiming some new found moral discomfort. Angus is betraying a business partner, and that is immoral.~Tony C.
    ————————————–
    I don’t know anything about his contract, who signed it, how old he was when it was signed, what the conditions of the contract were, what stipulations he made regarding content and the usage of his name blah blah blah….maybe the contract is 5 years old….he just turned 19 in October….he has agreed to finish out the contract which goes to the end of this season…..if the content of the show has deviated significantly from when he signed it or was led to believe….maybe he is rightfully protecting his image…..maybe he was hit on the head by a righteous brick and it opened his eyes to his behaviour….maybe since he has been on this show since he was 10 years old and now he is 19 and exploring more of the world on his own as opposed to having it fed to him by his handlers, he is seeing things in a more truthfull way…..maybejustmaybe…. besides, you wanna talk moral and contracts? have I got a story for you….

  39. TonyC,

    Can’t imagine anybody disagreeing with this, at least here at JTs’

    I think a sitcom that gives a young kid a warped view of human relationships is a kid raised by an incompetent parent that has failed to teach their child a critical life lesson, the difference between reality and a fantasy that can be engineered to produce any outcome the writer may imagine.
    =================

    When will they find a baby shot to cure or inoculate with?
    Considering all the crap of this type which all too many parents have absorbed, and acted out in their life, then there is needed a shot against the parents as role models too.

  40. @Frankly: The main theme of the show really had nothing to do with women specifically, perhaps you are just sex-obsessed. Gurl is right, Charlie was in love and in consensual relationships; he didn’t trick the women into sleeping with him.

    The main theme of the show was that life was hilariously unfair; it was the juxtaposition of Jon Cryer cast as an unloved, earnest fumbler that (usually) couldn’t catch a break, including the fact that he was forced to beg favors from Charlie Sheen living an undeserved, carefree life of nothing but one lucky break after another. The endless supply of women for attractive Charlie wasn’t the theme, it was just another galling, unfair thorn in the side of unattractive Alan. His inability to find women that do not exploit him is another crap sandwich for Alan. Being taken for everything in a divorce from a vindictive witch was the crap salad that launched the show; the fiction that his mother, his son, and all women like Charlie better than him is the crap dessert.

  41. I wonder what is the legal age for entering into the contract, He may not have signed it on his own but now as an adult he should get an attorney and get out of it.
    It seems like there must be some grounds for the company to release him, or sue him, whichever comes first, as he may well be alienating viewers which in turn may reduce ad revenues – the ultimate point of any TV show: bring in the money.
    Justagurl my goodness you sure are fighting for this sitcom. I personally found it insulting and juvenile from the get go so have never been a fan.
    My father’s favorite saying (which I always hated ((*_*)) ) ‘different strokes for different folks’.

  42. Nal
    1, November 27, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    Let me see if I’ve got this straight – Angus gets to hang around with gorgeous women and make a pile of money to boot. Instead of seeing himself as blessed by God, he wants to quit.

    God just can’t catch a break.
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  43. @Woosty: I am not a lawyer; but I have read in the entertainment literature that parents cannot sign a contract for a child actor that extends beyond their eighteenth birthday. The become an adult, the parent is no longer their guardian, and cannot commit them past that date.

    I presume that is true; it makes sense. For example, do you think a parent could sign a 17 year old to a twenty year contract?

    Angus is a mentally able 19 year old, if a contract exists I presume HE signed it of his own free will on or after his 18th birthday when he reached the age of majority. Unless he became emancipated before then; but then it was still his choice.

  44. Tony I am not a lawyer either but for the arguments sake i would want to know more facts before ‘judging’ this kid harshly….I read in one of the billion articles out there that his mother thinks he is being exploited by the church….maybe there is some exploitation going on somewhere around this kiddo….reminds me of the Robt Blake story which is sad and awful…the one thing I am sure of is that this show is overdue to jump the shark …

  45. Angus subscribes to the church of the almighty dollar.

    If he is so professing adhering the the will of God why would an earthly human construct such as a contract matter?

    Sometimes you can pay people too much and a few of them act rather spoiled.

  46. If as he says the show is evil, his knowing participation was and is a sin. Interesting that his morals don’t run to refusing the pay check, stopping the evil work and returning the filthy money. Growing a young crop of hypocrites this year, are we not.

  47. According to more recent comments, he says his role has been reduced to a few minutes of Skype calls; for $350,000 per episode and 20 episodes per year. He says it is easy but he is bored. Poor baby.

    Other anonymous sources say Lorre (the producer) will offer him a graceful way out. I wouldn’t be surprised, why not pocket the seven million instead?

    I bet Angus’ agent is one scrambling mofo right now, with about a million dollar fee (15%) headed for the incinerator…

  48. Justagurl my goodness you sure are fighting for this sitcom

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    @LeeJCaroll…..

    NO… just tired of Christian hypocrisy… and puritanical BS….

    Comedy of a sexual nature is NOT what is wrong with the USA….

    and as Tony pointed out.. it is NOT about sexual exploits…..

    Tony put it PERFECTLY in that… It is about how unfair life is….
    That Charlie can go through women like crazy, and luck is always on his side….
    and how Allen works hard, tries to do the right thing… and he has the WORST LUCK…..

    It may not be the most intelligent comedy… But, I liked it for a while…
    I tend to like risqué humour…. Back when Charlie Sheen was on the show, I thought it was a far better show…. I’ve only seen a few of the episodes with Ashton Kutcher… I just felt they were trying to hard with making Allen far more pathetic…. like when he was going to get a position on the board at Walden’s company… and Allen went to the board room and was stealing food and could not just vote, like he was hired to do….
    It just came off as trying to hard and fell quite flat….

    With Charlie Sheen it was a good fit….. I was VERY sorry to see him go….

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    somebody mentioned that his mother thinks he is being manipulated…..
    This sounds VERY possible…..
    That almost makes me MORE upset at this whole story….
    I’m so sick of religion exploiting people of all ages….

  49. How quiet it became when the “slut” slur was said. A quick hop to “promiscuous” by one of the guys, and even that can and should have been debated vigorously.

    But not having standing, other than being one who was a useful consumer goods, so I kept quiet.

    Myself, I say: whatever the woman’s body, mind and her relationships will bear is OK. It is natural. And they are not chattel. Some guys will never understand that.

  50. and the crazy just keeps a com’in…..

    Angus’s Spiritual advisor…. Seventh-day Adventist pastor Christopher Hudson, aka The Forerunner.

    TMZ has dug up some interesting nuggets from Hudson’s ForeRunner Chronicles video series, including:

    — Why he believes Jay-Z is a Freemason with ties to the devil

    — How he alleges Obama’s pro-gay agenda has similarities to Hitler

    — How he claims NYC’s gas crisis can lead to cannibalism

    Hudson had bizarrely warned his followers that the gas crisis could turn into a food crisis, forcing women to eat their own children: “Your baby might start looking like a chicken wing.”

    It is unclear if Angus believes everything the pastor is saying, but in the now-viral “testimony” video, the young man only had praise for his spiritual guide. “I love watching ForeRunner Chronicles,” Angus said. “All the information is so great…Your videos have no doubt been a blessing to me.”

    TMZ has spoken to Hudson, and he said that he and Angus have become close over the past year and share similar beliefs.

    Meanwhile, the young actor’s mother has spoken out, saying that she’s “concerned” for her son.

    Carey, 42, told Mail Online in a brief statement that she’s “concerned he’s being exploited by the church.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/angus_jones_the_controversial_pastor_7CWHG4QRjBWm4hev40lbAJ

  51. I don’t believe 3.5 ♂ is any more sexist against women than Charlie being a horndog says that all men are oversexed dogs.

    I don’t know if that is a logical phallus-cy or not.

  52. Who cares? How foolish! He can break his contract if he wants to. If he doesn’t want to he doesn’t have to. He can worship whom and how he wants to. Damn, what’s all this about?

  53. pst . . . Malisha . . . it’s about hypocrisy (the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case) and pudding (see, proof in eating of).

    Mmmmm.

    Pudding.

  54. Hey, it looks like Angus figured out who he was dancing with . . .

    Angus T. Jones Apologizes For ‘Two And A Half Men’ Remarks

    His statement reads:

    “I have been the subject of much discussion, speculation and commentary over the past 24 hours. While I cannot address everything that has been said or right every misstatement or misunderstanding, there is one thing I want to make clear.

    Without qualification, I am grateful to and have the highest regard and respect for all of the wonderful people on Two and Half Men with whom I have worked over the past ten years and who have become an extension of my family.

    Chuck Lorre, Peter Roth and many others at Warner Bros. and CBS are responsible for what has been one of the most significant experiences in my life to date. I thank them for the opportunity they have given and continue to give me and the help and guidance I have and expect to continue to receive from them.

    I also want all of the crew and cast on our show to know how much I personally care for them and appreciate their support, guidance and love over the years. I grew up around them and know that the time they spent with me was in many instances more than with their own families. I learned life lessons from so many of them and will never forget how much positive impact they have had on my life.

    I apologize if my remarks reflect me showing indifference to and disrespect of my colleagues and a lack of appreciation of the extraordinary opportunity of which I have been blessed. I never intended that.”

  55. Angus T. Jones can do whatever he wants, and I wouldn’t pretend to guess what his motivations might really be. If he has indeed awakened to believe the show is too crude for him, more power to him. With rerun residuals, he’ll likely never have to work again, ever.

    I’d love to see him direct the millions he stands to make, to a seriously deserving charity.

    Now, I’ve laughed out loud at some of the show’s comedy over the years, and there were times when – as a young kid – “Jake” was too cute & hilarious for words. In fact, the entire cast was excellent, and the writing often exceptional. The stalker “Rose” should have won an Emmy.

    But all & all, I submit that the tone of the show – as indeed the tone of countless others since – by cleverly couching immorality in ribald humor – does enormous social damage. It does so by contributing to the coarsening of children, at a time when their moral compasses are often trying very hard to find true North.

  56. I speculate he had a good lawyer / PR firm to write his statement to counter what the show’s producers likely told him what would happen if he continued what he had proclaimed just before.

    I guess it would also be reasonable to expect a young man of his age not do say/do everything perfectly. So while I think what he did was hypocritical and foolish, it is what it is. Time to move on. Hope he learned a lesson for his own future benefit.

  57. Thanks Gene.

    I suspect, as I said, his agent (usually a lawyer) was scrambling; I suspect Lorre called the agent and told him, “If he doesn’t want to be here, we would be happy to call it quits as of now, none of us want an actor on set that doesn’t want to be here, it poisons the whole production. In fact we’ll go ahead and start preparing some paperwork for his signature; why don’t you bring him in tomorrow?”

  58. Ach, ach. I second Malisha’s question. Who cares? And Why? The higher the temptation the lower the theshold.

    How many hypocrites that we have on the bench is more important. And do we use fMRI techniques to weed them out?

  59. @Patric: But all & all, I submit that the tone of the show – as indeed the tone of countless others since – by cleverly couching immorality in ribald humor – does enormous social damage. It does so by contributing to the coarsening of children, at a time when their moral compasses are often trying very hard to find true North.

    I will take the opposite stance. I submit that the tone of this show, and others, does social good. Humor is a good in itself, but there is a psychological good here too. If children are old enough to find ribald humor funny, then shows like this do not coarsen them, they broaden their perspectives. What are the elements of humor these shows rely upon? Miscommunication, misunderstanding, mistakes in judgment, doing something dumb and suffering the consequences.

    Comedy shows contribute to the education of children, because in order to get a real laugh the show must capture some element of real human nature; there must be some verisimilitude there, that the unexpected reaction or outcome is not unexpected-crazy, it is unexpected but makes sense when the full reality is understood (which is why many punchlines also reveal the reality).

    What you call “coarsening” I call refinement of their understanding of people and relationships, including sexual relationships. Children are growing to be adults, and the more truth they have on their side, the better their moral compass will be tuned.

    The more they learn about what can go wrong in relationships, the better their relationships will be; the more they learn by sitcoms how people get their feelings hurt, make mistakes, give in to temptation they regret, the less likely they are to commit the same errors themselves.

    Sitcoms are caricatures of reality; but like a good caricature they capture something recognizable as reality. That is how we teach young people, with caricatures. We do not teach quantum physics to middle schoolers, we teach them about levers and gearing and friction. Everything we teach them is not exactly true, we don’t teach them about levers bending or fracturing. Our springs don’t ever break, our materials do not corrode each other, our gears do not heat up or wear down.

    The philosophy that keeping children ignorant of realities they must soon face on their own is going to help them is just wrong; the belief that children are so impressionable they will adopt any belief system on sight (and then never relinquish it) is illogical. Humans do not work that way.

    The way humans DO work, the more information they have to sort through and develop an understanding of their own, the better off they are. The children most thoroughly shielded from reality are the ones put at the greatest risk when they are, inevitably, exposed to it.

  60. @Malisha, Idealist: If you don’t care, why take the time to tell us you don’t care?

    We feel like discussing it, because this particular hypocrisy has a peculiar combination of elements (including a large amount of money and sexualised story lines) that reveals something to us about the world we live in and how it works, and the psychology of the wealthy that do not even KNOW they are lucky.

    If you don’t see that, or grasp that, don’t come into the room just to tell us we are wasting our time and you have more important things to think about.

    I liked THIS story. I wanted to talk about THIS story. The answer to your question of “who cares” is, I care. I thought that was obvious from the fact that I was still writing about it.

  61. Don’t take TonyC seriously Malisha, It was my joiníng your boat that attracted his torpedo. He will never forget that I was against something he said, most likely his attitude of always being von oben. And he has it bad.

    Now, he like GeneH,, will expect me to return and argue against him. Wasted time. Some minds are never open for re-alignment or enlightenment. Enlightenment can come from a rock or a ray of light. Genius is not needed.

    To his query, I reply for my part.
    1. I hope for better things here.
    2. Because it pleases me.

    But I did like your last lecture. So my mind is not closed, like others. And that was honesty, something I cherish. And credit shall be paid where due. No kiss-ups at all.

  62. Regarding Frankly’s post above; Hollywood, or Southern California in general, a truly bizarre place. Over the top and extreme. Seldom normal.

  63. Frankly,

    I have a bud that is in the industry….. He said that its not safe for young children by any stretch of the imagination….. Pretty much casting couches for everyone…. Every sex….. Regardless of age…..

  64. I have a bud that is in the industry….. He said that its not safe for young children by any stretch of the imagination….. Pretty much casting couches for everyone…. Every sex….. Regardless of age…..

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    I have a FEW friends in that business in LA….
    and what you say MIGHT be true for people TRYING to make it…..

    HOWEVER…. NOT so for people that have already made it….
    and being a co-star on the TOP sitcom for over 10 years, he can PRETTY much do as many projects as he would want to do……
    in that business,he may NOT be the IT boy… still… he is on TOP…..

    ONCE it ENDS…. he may have the situation that you describe…..
    BUT, just not now…..

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