Attorney For Christian Anti-Gay Group Arrested For Having Sex With Teenage Girl and Child Pornography

AR-121119299.jpg&q=100&maxw=350There is a deeply troubling case out of New Hampshire where attorney Lisa Biron has been convicted on all eight counts of transportation of a minor with intent to commit criminal sexual activity, sexual exploitation of children and possession of child pornography. The jury took less than two hours to convict in a case with strong evidence and highly disturbing facts. Biron has been identified as an attorney with an anti-Gay Christian group.


Videos taken by a cellphone show Biron and the 14-year-old victim engaged in sexual activity in Biron’s home. Later videos show 14-year-old victim engaged in sexual activity at a Canadian hotel. Biron took the teen to Niagara Falls over the 2012 Memorial Day weekend to meet 19-year-old Canadian, Kevin Watson, who met the teen online. They allegedly smoked marijuana, drank alcohol and had sex. Witnesses said that Biron also arranged multiple party sex with herself and the young girl at her home and that she actively filmed and directed some of the sex.

Brandon Ore, 18, testified Biron took video of the young girl having sex and wanted him to have sex with the young girl on the couch of her living room. He later moved in with Biron.

Notably, he went to the police but when he told Biron, he testified that she drove him back to the police station to recant his statement and accept a misdemeanor charge for a false report.

It is a perfectly horrible record of debauchery and abuse. It is hard to imagine why Biron thought it could remain hidden if these allegations are true — and a jury clearly found the allegations to be obviously true.

The least that she could hope for in a sentence would be 25 years.

Source: Union Leader

85 thoughts on “Attorney For Christian Anti-Gay Group Arrested For Having Sex With Teenage Girl and Child Pornography

  1. Take the underage victim out of this mess and you have a farce worthy of Shakespeare:

    “O, what may man within him hide, Though angel on the outward side!”

    ~Measure for Measure.

  2. Wow! amazing case. Why is it that the loudest and most ardent anti-gay Christians seem to always get caught having gay sex??

  3. All that pent up longing for a girlfriend, denial through being so anti-gay, when the dam burst it unleased a debaucherous fury. Now look where it got her.

    She should have started out sooner, with a blind date with a woman she might like. All things in moderation.

  4. Gene H:

    it might be his best song. But I still like “You Are So Beautiful,” ” With a Little Help from My Friends,” and:

  5. This proves once again that we are sexual animals. People need to stop acting like the religious people Jesus said woe unto you to. The word porn divides. The war it creates is readily seen.

  6. Mickey – it seems that this lawyer was the one calling out the positions according to the story.
    And thats about as far into humor as I can go on this story. I have no idea how a 14 YO gets caught up in something like this. Whatever happens to the abusers I hope that the girl can get whatever she needs to move past this and not be permanently damaged.

  7. @Darren: All that pent up longing for a girlfriend, denial through being so anti-gay,

    That is one possibility. An alternative interpretation, which I lean toward for such cases, is that she is just a psychopath. It makes more sense, she doesn’t care whether her self-gratification harms a child or not, or the boy for that matter. Psychopaths lie with ease and have no problem persecuting others for crimes they readily commit themselves; consider the revelation that Newt Gingrich was having an ongoing adulterous affair with one of his subordinates the entire time he was scheming to impeach Clinton for doing exactly the same thing.

    To me, working for the “anti-Gay Christian group,” (whose mental acumen is already suspect by the nature of their mission) may well have just been the suckers she could manipulate into paying her the most money for the least amount of work, which is what psychopaths seek, and she might have found the grand hypocrisy of working there just deliciously funny; psychopaths enjoy their deceptions and feeling like they are the puppeteers. Psychopaths do not have a conscience, she would feel no cognitive dissonance collecting this paycheck.

    To me, psychopathy makes sense of the underage girl, too. Children are just easier to manipulate and hold in thrall, at 14 (or perhaps years earlier, no telling when this relationship actually began) children are extremely sub-rational and manipulable, something psychopaths learn to excel at.

    I don’t think there was a twisted conscience, denial, pedophilia, longing for love. To me, everything is explained by average IQ psychopathy.

  8. It is tempting to use psychopathy to explain a lot of human behavior, but not the Newt’s persecution of Clinton. That was politically motivated, and the charge was perjury, not adultery. There are other disorders in the catalog–how about narcissism? In the case of Biron, no violence was mentioned, and some 14-year-old girls can be extremely manipulative. Not enough data here to make an analysis, and we’ll provably never hear the full story.

  9. I tend to agree more with Darren than I do with Tony C. as to the root causes of Biron’s problems. If you read the Manchester Union Leader link to the story, particularly the comments section, you see that testimony was give that this woman had “gone downhill” after a divorce. Her actions seem to me to rest more with a personality disorder (possibly narcissistic), rather than with psychosis. Also added to the disturbing mix is that the 14 year old was possibly her daughter.

    “Take the underage victim out of this mess and you have a farce worthy of Shakespeare”

    As Mespo says there’s the rub. The crime is in the 14 year old’s age. Without that you just have some kinky sex. Our interest though must focus on the hypocrisy of providing legal services to an anti-gay group, while engaging in sexual activities that this same group would find repulsive. We see this often I think because true believers seem to sublimate their own sexual drives via religion.

  10. @simplulo: I am using psychopath in the clinical sense; Wikipedia has a description.

    I quote, “…many psychopaths are not violent, and psychopaths are, despite the similar names, rarely psychotic.”

    Also, “psychopathy is characterized by … egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality, antisocial behavior, a lack of remorse, and a parasitic lifestyle.”

    My usage is in that sense. The fictional portrayal of psychopaths always being murderers and cutting people up is in error, only some get a thrill from that kind of dominance and control. Others are just remorseless and care about nothing but themselves.

    Mike: I guess it is hard for me to imagine somebody manipulating children into sexual acts without being a psychopath; especially a daughter.

  11. On the otherhand, when I look at her involvement with the anti-gay group George Smiley’s words come to mind … “The fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt.”

  12. @artie: Then I think you have very foolishly redefined the word “power” in order to make yourself feel better, at the expense of living in the real world. If you ever face a loaded gun, I assure you that if you have a normally functioning amygdala, it will inform you of the true definition of “power.”

  13. Nick Spinelli: My MAN! I loved that Joe Cocker skit so much that when my kid was eight years old, I used to do “John Belushi doing Joe Cocker” as a comedy routine at parties and then my kid used to do, “My mom doing John Belushi doing Joe Cocker” as a chaser and people wanted to sue us for giving them sore muscles from laughing. That’s my second favorite skit of all time. (First Favorite was John Belushi’s “Luck of the Irish”) :mrgreen:

  14. Malisha, I would pay for those videos of you and the kid. You must be able to “give it up” if you can do that bit. And, YES, the “Luck o’ the Irish” is classic.

  15. This is do not condemn least ye be condemned for the same things. People condemn because they deny a final judgment. The military, and legal system are the real religious atheists.

  16. @artie: This is do not condemn least ye be condemned for the same things.

    Blah blah blah. I condemn people for things that:

    a) I do not think I would ever do, and
    b) If I am wrong and ever DO execute such acts, I believe that now, while I am sane, I SHOULD be condemned.

    My morals are not suddenly relaxed when judging my own actions. I do not take actions I would condemn in another, and I do not condemn others for doing what I would do.

  17. tony c:

    you sure are judgmental, dont you know that aint X-ian?

    artiewhitefox:

    judge people is the only way to go, people who dont want to be judged are most likely scumbags.

    I always say, when a person starts telling you how Christian they are, hold on to your wallet and your arse; you are going to get a phuking one way or another.

  18. Thank dog I am a dog. People say apCray about me humpin male humanoids’ legs but they would not think of prosecution. Humping legs is just practice. Practice makes one perfect when it comes to the quicky with Vicky the poodle. No pun intended. All this focus in humanoid behavior about sex, drugs and rock in roll.. Sit back and eat a dog biscuit once in a while and smell the roses. For you humanoids I suggest that you adopt the Amsterdam program of pay for lay and get over this love at first bite thing. Or is it sight?

  19. What I said foolish? You have to be kidding? To use a weapon to kill is foolish. Wisdom is better than weapons of war. You call that foolish? The killer has a dead soul already. It is the opposite to what you think. God has the ultimate of power. He could have used it to get revenge on all of the sinners on this Planet. Real power created life having mercy on all of us.

    Are you familuar with this verse? funny people don’t talk about it. To have no wisdom is to be foolish being an active sinner.
    Ecclesiastes 9:18 :King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.
    I tell the truth. A gun is the devils power destroying what God made. I have. It did not change what I just told you.

  20. Blouise,

    Thanks. Interesting review and I totally agree with the analysis up until the end. The film is a much simplified version of the le Carré plot. But when the reviewer says, “Except for intelligence professionals and le Carré aficionados, the film version is almost incomprehensible.”

    I think the film is quite accessible for someone who has never read a le Carré novel and knows little about intelligence work, although I do agree with the next sentence: “New York Times film critic Terrence Rafferty wrote of le Carré that it was ‘as if he determined to make [his novels] movie-proof.'” This is a common criticism of le Carré’s work and a valid one. His novels are usually far too intricate and filled with interior monologues to put everything on the screen.

    The last of the review though reads like sour grapes because le Carré is notoriously anti-American vis a vis our intelligence community and their techniques: “The Center for the Study of Intelligence offers a lecture to new CIA hires and others on the portrayal of CIA and the intelligence profession in popular culture. We don’t believe the film version of Tinker, Tailor will make the cut for inclusion in the session.”

    All in all though, the review was certainly written by someone quite familiar with the source materials. As am I. I’ve read every book he’s ever written and even took a 300 (if memory serves) level course on his writing in college. It was a very lively class too. I had the good fortune to take it at the while the Berlin Wall was coming down. Lots of extra current events materials made it into the classroom. Great instructor.

    In regards to the film (which I just watched again earlier tonight), the scene you were quoting is probably my favorite scene in the whole movie and a fine example of why Gary Oldman is one of the best actors working today. Of all the versions of “Tinker, Tailor” I’ve seen, I think his George Smiley is hands down the best portrayal.

  21. Gene,
    Maybe I am related to the NYT film critic! :)
    I saw that film and was not too impressed with it, but Oldman was good in it.

  22. Like Gene I’ve read everything Le Carre has written, but have not taken coursework :). “Tinker, Tailor……” was his best, but his other books were quite close. The PBS series starring Alec Guinness as Smiley was a masterpiece, so I was surprised when my wife and I watched the recent Oldman film and really liked it. It would seem an impossible task to accomplish in a two hour film, but it did the job for us. My wife wasn’t familiar with the book, nor the PBS series so we had to stop the DVR now and then for me to fill her in on certain details. Yet this didn’t occur that often and she enjoyed the film. I think that the film though, was far more enjoyable for those familiar with the book and that was simply because any book of size is hard to translate into a single film. The most successful attempt of this is “The Godfather” and that is one of the greatest films of all times.Guinness original performance and Oldman’s recent performances were different it’s true, but both true to my image of Smiley. Great actors bring their own interpretive skills to their roles and these two are exceptionally great actors. Since I last read the book more than 30 years ago, the recent film has re-whetted my appetite to again read the entire Smiley series.

  23. That photo indicates an ugly encounter of the third kind. Or is it “close encounter”? None dare call her a dog.

  24. Mike,

    I should stipulate that my preference for Oldman is in no way a slam on on the late Sir Alec Guiness’ performance. It was excellent.

  25. Just judging by the mugshot, if you even put her in the door way of an open room at Days Inn on any given night at that Inn, with a sign on her chest that said free sex, there would be few takers. What humans need is a society that will let them pay for sex. The Amsterdam experiment has been working well for hundreds of years. That construct will upset the spouses who want to keep the other half pure. The whole prohibition against free love starts with the preachers who want to fleece the flock. They wont have congregations unless they put the fear of God or dog into the chumps who show up on Sunday and put the money in the plate. Instead of outlawing pay for sex we should outlaw religion. That way a human can hump somebody’s leg without going to jail if the leg is not that of the opposite sex, willing, and above the age of 18. As I said before, we dogs dont live under all of these muslim like excuses for civilized conduct that you humanoids live under.

  26. I pray for her soul. May she join a congregation and get with God. Pleasures of the flesh are not worth the hassle with the law and prayer is the only way she can redeem herself. Or, she can move to Amsterdam and buy some sex.

  27. Nick S, there ARE no videos of it; it was all “LIVE”!

    I’m 66 now and my kid’s 35. Maybe we could still do it, I don’t know. We saw Joe Cocker live once (my kid took me) and he figured out what Cocker was doing with his hands — he was kind of playing an instrument with his fingers while he sang! Crazy talent!

    If you see my “Belushi doing Cocker,” that’s tame compared to my “Pedophile Humdu” rant. Actually, I’m funny when I get furious; my rants used to be to die for, now I’m not sure they’re still up to par (most of the time I type in rage nowadays rather than doing a stand-up rant).

  28. Gentlemen,

    “Guinness original performance and Oldman’s recent performances were different it’s true, but both true to my image of Smiley.”

    I agree wholeheartedly though, truth be told, I preferred Oldman’s interpretation.

    I don’t know about you all, but the character, Smiley, grows on the viewer as the book/movie progresses … so much so that, like good Mexican food, one doesn’t fully appreciate him until after the book is finished and one has had a chance to sit and think about it. Just as one is fuller an hour after eating good Mexican cuisine than one was at the immediate conclusion of the meal.

    I envy Gene the 300 level class … what a joy that would have been. There are several institutions of higher learning where I live. I’m going to start checking their class offerings … perhaps I’ll find one to audit.

  29. @Artie: Yes, what you said is foolish, and no, I am not kidding, and to use a weapon to kill is not automatically foolish, it may well be the best use of the weapon to end a life. Even if you think life is automatically precious (and I do not), ending the life of a killer may preserve more life than it costs.

    Wisdom is NOT better than weapons of war, they aren’t comparable entities. If I am being attacked by people that want to kill me and turn my daughter into a sex slave, I will take a weapon of war over “wisdom” in a heartbeat. Wisdom and weapons of war are tools to be applied to different problems, they each have their place. That is not foolish.

    You say, God has the ultimate of power.

    If God has the ultimate power, he doesn’t use it, and that makes him evil. I can show you literally a thousand circumstances in which God has let good Christian girls, 12 and under, be captured and tortured and raped to death. God did not answer the prayers of those girls, their parents, their siblings or their neighbors in church. If God could have saved them or spared them pain and did not, then God is evil incarnate.

    If God let Satan have them, then either God cannot thwart Satan or God can and chose not to. If God gave us “free will” and does not interfere even in cases such as this, then prayer is pointless, If God will stand by and watch an eight year old be cut apart alive and screaming, then believing in the power of prayer is particularly stupid.

    You say, A gun is the devils power destroying what God made.

    I see, then the Devil can thwart God’s will? The Devil is more powerful than God? Or does the Devil destroy what God has made with God’s permission? That is the conclusion to be made if God knows what the Devil is doing, and is all powerful and could have stopped him but did not: Apparently God WANTS the Devil to kill off the devout and faithful, which means God is in collusion with the Devil and just as guilty as the Devil, and you worship a ruthless murdering child rapist.

  30. If using a weapon to kill a human is not foolish don’t you think Jesus would have given us an example the lack of foolishness in using one? Did the perfect Jesus show us that using a weapon is not foolishness? Did one of his disciples slicing off the ear of the servant of the high prieast show wisdom or foolishness? You tell me. Toy with it toy with your soul.

  31. @Artie: I do not believe Jesus existed, actually, I think Jesus is a myth. There is no Roman record of Jesus, despite the fact that Roman records of legal actions against criminals at the same time include such trivia as fist fights and purse snatching. The earliest portrayals of Jesus are artistically identical to Dionysus, as a youthful, fit, naked greek God: Like Jesus a god of epiphany, Like Jesus a god with a mortal mother, Like Jesus killed and then reborn.

    I highly recommend the freshman course on Mythologies, it is an elective I took in my first semester and highly entertaining, with a good story-telling teacher.

    Of course, in the fiction Jesus is supernatural and can have mountains throw themselves into the sea at his command, kill trees with a touch, raise the dead with a word. He walks on water (that isn’t frozen!). Why would Jesus need a gun? He is more powerful than Yoda!

    That would explain why, In the fiction, Jesus also preaches pacifism: Pacifism and turning the other cheek are pretty easy when you cannot actually be harmed, when you can heal even the most grievous of injuries they become minor irritations, given his other powers the character Jesus could presumably choose whether or not to feel pain at all. Even in his crucifixion the character Jesus would not plausibly have been worried about death, and in the story Jesus continued his consciousness.

    A modern analogy would be to think of Jesus as God’s avatar in a video game; just like our avatars in our video games, injuries are not really felt and even avatar-fatal events can be laughed off as just another “life” lost.

    Jesus is just another character in another fiction, and like all fictions the story is engineered to have any outcome the author desires. The stories in the BIble are reworked verbal fictions from hundreds and thousands of years B.C., in fact by some counts of mythology experts, about a dozen mythological saviors, all born on December 25th and crucified, preceded the Jesus character; the “greatest story ever told” was being told for two thousand years before it was recycled into the Jesus myth.

    You have confused the real world with a fiction. That is foolish, Artie. Perhaps next you will aspire to become a Jedi Knight, or a Vulcan.

  32. The Character of Jesus, and what Jesus did is not what Dionysus, did. All of the other gods were merciless. The were egocentric engaging in war. Jesus had no part in any of that. Be against war, show mercy. Judging yourself, have Jesus in you looking out of you. The beliefs in those false gods had people thinking gods over there us over here. You are looking at outward appearances with the nude statues. Jesus has a soul that can never die. Only the flesh, and blood body of Jesus died. Jesus would not use a Gun. A gun is foolishness to him. A Sword back then is like a gun is to us today, yet Jesus refused to use it. Jesus laid his life down. The false gods did not do that. They could not say that. That is because non of them did that. Those false gods are one being Satan with many names. Jesus to me is seen in Yoda. Peaceful pacifists will be in his kingdom. Would his kingdom be peaceful without them? Jesus was flesh, and blood when he gave the turning the other cheek teaching. Jesus in you feels what you feel. With all of the accusations Jesus got from the religious people he could not see what was going to be the outcome until he found out that the devil himself could not put Jesus in his jail. He found no fault in him. More than an avatar. Jesus was a shell for God to be that had blood in it. That shell is the same image Moses and Abraham saw.

  33. @Artie: Jesus laid his life down.

    No he didn’t, not in any sense that matters. If I, as an atheist, lay my life down, I cease to exist forever. The character Jesus in your fiction did not make any such sacrifice, he rose in full body three days later, fully conscious and active. He gave up a three day weekend, then proceeded to live in luxury in his father’s palace forever, right? Except for a relatively short contract follow-up gig to return and rule the Earth, I think. No real sacrifice, I don’t think.

    Artie says: The false gods did not do that. They could not say that. That is because non of them did that.

    You are just factually wrong, a dozen of them did that. Read some non-fiction once in a while.

    Artie says: Jesus to me is seen in Yoda.

    Yoda fights with a light saber and is willing to kill.

    The rest is just your fevered ramblings, and all contradictory foolishness. Good luck, poor Artie.

  34. You better know scripture before you cross swords with me.
    Yes he did. He said father into thine hands I commit my spirit, and then he died. Luke 23:46 :And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Jesus in spirit is in people suffering until this day.

    ◄ Matthew 25:40 ►King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Me is referring to Jesus.

    Why I see Jesus in Yoda is because Yoda is child like at heart. He has no maliciousness in him . He is not froward at all. He is also not an accuser.

  35. Oh look, someone can quote fiction at you well.

    Quoting fiction well does not make the fiction any less fiction, mr whitefox

  36. There is good behavior, and talk, and there is bad behaviour,b and talk,. Can you say you give me good behavior, and talk? The KJV calls bad a talker abominable, defiled ,and perverted. It accurately depicts you. That book has not been followed. Hence you are militaristic in your speech calling it good. The KJV says that is not wise. Ecclesiastes 9:18
    King James Version (KJV)
    18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.
    Stop warring staging each other, and the KJV. Would you think that is a wise thing to do?

  37. @Artie: Jesus did not “die” like a human “dies,” if a human dies they do not get to come back, have a few days of conversation with their friends, and then in the view of the living physically ascend into heaven. I think if that happened with every person we lost, we’d all be believers.

    No human on earth has ever died for three days then come back to life and then physically ascended into the sky on their own power. As I said, the fictional Jesus character does not “die” like a human dies.

  38. Jesus non the less died in a body like any human body. He had to have that body confronting the devil. Had he not done that you can bet the devil would have complained about it, and rightly so, but he has no excuse. He was defeated by Jesus. The spirit of God was in him perfectly in the body Abraham, and Moses saw. That was God dude. n There was a direct conflict between Jesus, and the devil. The spirit of God left the body of Jesus, and then came back into the body of Jesus because Satan lost not able to put him in his jail . Jesus transformed back into the flesh, and bone form that God had in the beginning. God can turn off his glory when he wants to. That spirit is in those that are like him. When they die they go to be with hm in spirit. The people that are not like him go into the devils jail to wait for finale judgment. That being visiting with a few friends and then ascending is God who saves us. God in the form Moses saw when he said show me your glory. The person that has Christ in them being like Christ is when they die in body will to them seem like they never died. No human has died for three days coming back because no human is God. There is one God There is no God beside him. Jesus is perfect. He could have lived forever if he wanted to. He was put on the cross because people rejected him. The military, and condensing legal system is not a sign of accepting Jesus either.

  39. @artiewhitefox were you drinking last night? I am sorry, but I did not understand anything in your reply to me?

    This is what I am saying:

    – using quotes from a work of fiction where it claims to not be fiction does not make that work any less fiction
    – getting angry at people who say that said work is fiction does not make the work any less fiction
    – being REALLY REALLY convinced that a work is not fiction does not make the work any less fiction
    – paying money to a preacher who tells you the work is not fiction does not make the work any less fiction

    Cheers :)

  40. @Artie: Jesus non the less died in a body like any human body.

    How could you possibly know that? The fictional Jesus character was a magician, if he could heal others, he could heal himself. If he could multiply loaves and fishes and turn water into wine, he could deceive a few illiterate Roman guards and Roman peasants into thinking he had died. The magical Jesus could undoubtedly control how much pain he chose to feel and how much blood he chose to shed and how . He was God, after all, and all powerful.

    People today are still declared dead only to be revived hours later. Is your faith so weak that you do not believe the Jesus character had the power to feign the death of his mortal body? To stop his pulse when checked, to internally heal his wounds so the blood would not flow and would dry up, to stop his breathing when checked and to show a pallid pallor? Shame be upon you, Artie, the Jesus character could do all that without any effort. So you do not know that he died on that cross, all you know is that his disciples could not tell the difference.

  41. Jesus could not in spirit live in us had he not have a body like us. Your lack of faith makes demons happy. The non human animals have m,ore faith than you have waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God. Romans 8, 19. He s could heal others because he is God. Jesus is not selfish. Had he bee he would have saved himself coming down from the cross obeying the taunting of the crowd or he would have accepted the offer of Satan taking the world bowing to Satan, but he did not do that. You are attributing the deceptive character trait of Satan to Jesus? How dare you. Repent this instant! Jesus shed all of his blood. His new body did not have any blood in it. You are superimposing the power of men over the power of God. They are not the same. They are as apposed to each other even as life, and death are apposed to each other. The shame is on you doing what the religious peoiple did accusing jesus of casting out devils in the b name of Beelzebub. You stand in the shoes of the Sadducees, and Pharaees that Jesus chastised warning them.

  42. Tony C. The penalty of sin is death. The people around him did not die to self. As a result they pierced their best friend. War pierces people. Religious people arrested Jesus. That means the legal system, and military is religious. Jesus had to succeed were our fist parents failed. Jesus had to be in a body exactly like you and me feeling all of the pain that we feel. A lying spirit is in you needing to come out of you Tony.

  43. Jonathan,

    I think that a spirit of “spell check” and maybe “proof read” needs to come INTO you.

    Why is it, the most vehement of religious replies on this blog all have dreadful grammar and incomprehensible formatting. Could it be that, to have a mind which accepts the unacceptable, you have to have a lower level of intelligence?

    My point relates to you also, Jonathan. Quoting a work of fiction to prove your point makes your point based on (you guessed it) fiction.

  44. There are two spirits. I am not a person thinking he is crafty getting someone arrested ,and then pierced. Dumkopf Religious people wanted Jesus dead. Jesus did not want Jesus dead thinking he was crafty. What I am quoting is no more fiction than the air you are breathing. The devil against Jesus Puts people down because he is down. You must know trha6t a person can’t give what they don’t have.

  45. (Please disregard my previous post–it was a mistake.)

    Jesus could not in spirit live in us had he not had a body like us. Your lack of faith makes demons happy. The non-human animals have more faith than you have; they are waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God, (Romans 8, 19). He could heal others because he is God. Jesus is not selfish. Had he been he would have saved himself coming down from the cross obeying the taunting of the crowd, or he would have accepted Satan’s offer of the world by bowing to Satan; but he did not do that. You are attributing the deceptive character traits of Satan to Jesus? How dare you. Repent this instant!

    Jesus shed all of his blood. His new body did not have any blood in it. You are superimposing the power of men over the power of God. They are not the same. They are as opposed to each other even as life and death are opposed to each other. The shame is on you doing what the religious people did accusing Jesus of casting out devils in the name of Beelzebub. You stand in the shoes of the Sadducees, and Pharisees. The blood Jesus shed was shed like any human in the same set of circumstances.

  46. @Jonathan: Jesus could not in spirit live in us had he not have a body like us.

    Really? I thought the God character in this fiction was all-powerful and all-knowing, Jonathan. Are you saying there was something it was impossible for the God character to know about his own creation, man? Even for thousands of years after He created man?

    Tell me, what else was God unable to know about his own creations?

    I suspect He did not even know the order of those creations, since by the first sentence of this fiction, the Heavens, Earth and Water all existed before there was Light. Which is one clue to tell you are reading a work of fiction in the first place, when the first sentence opens with a blatant falsehood.

  47. @Jonathan: Jesus is not selfish.

    In this fiction, Jesus did not need to be selfish, because he was secretly God, and all-powerful, and all-knowing. He did not save himself because, as God, he knew what effect that would have on the minds and hearts of the crowd.

    Obviously the Satan character was NOT all-knowing, and did not know that Jesus was God. Why would God accept a bribe consisting of something he already owned? It is like you offering me the house I already own outright in return for my servitude. What would I get out of that? Nothing but servitude; it doesn’t make any sense for somebody that owns and controls the entire universe, including Satan, to bow down to Satan.

    Your fiction is incoherent; it doesn’t follow its own rules. As a script doctor I would say the problem is that you have made the God character too powerful; because all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly prescient leave no stories for God (or his avatar Jesus), those traits eliminate all elements of what we see as story. So every story you try to tell about Jesus contradicts the central nature of the character, he cannot undertake a project to learn something, he already knows everything. He cannot be harmed, he is all powerful. He cannot be bribed, he owns and controls the universe and everything in it. Nothing comes as a surprise to him, he can overcome all opposition and is never defeated. Story is about struggle, and struggle demands limitations and overcoming obstacles, and the authors of this fiction, like third graders, invented a God character that has no limitations and not only anticipates all obstacles but can dismiss any obstacle with a thought. That means, for every story they tell, they have to pretend the God character IS limited in some way. For example that God can be imprisoned against his will, that God can be whipped into submission and carrying a cross, or that God can be forced to wear a crown of thorns, or cannot stop a mere mortal from nailing him to that cross. The entire story is necessarily full of contradictions to the central premise, that the God character (and Jesus) is all powerful, all knowing, and perfectly prescient.

  48. You are seeing the power of Jesus as the power of a gun. He did not save himself. Satan could not put him in his prison. People make 0prtisons. Had Jesus save himself would have right then ,and there shined his glory obeying the taunting crowd coming off of the cross. He would have lost to the devil if he did that.
    Devils knew who Jesus was.
    Luke 8 >>
    King James Version: 28When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

    Jesus saving himself;
    It was not what effect it would have on the people. The devil was speaking through the people that were taunting him. Jesus ignored the taunting of the devil not saving himself not coming off of the cross in blaze of glory.

    Stop your demonic accusing. God did not accept a bribe. Had Jesus done that there would have been no Resurrection.

    The universe is Satan’s. There is nothing immortal in the universe because Satan as this time owns it because of what Adam, and Eve did. Death came to all things.

    You have no idea how powerful God is. His power makes life. Life with death in it however can’t exist in his glory.
    God being prescient sees the results of our action. The babies being dashed on the rocks for an example is God seeing what will happen. God ends up being blamed for doing that. The Devil is behind the accusation.

    God needs to be in you to be like Jesus is. That saves the soul. People see what they see with their eyes. God sees beyond what we see with our eyes. God is the opposite to our physical corruptible bodies. We make things with our hands that does not have life in it. God makes life. Without death in it life would be immortal.

    The struggle is Satan trying to prove to God that people that are fallen can’t keep Gods law. .Jesus in a body like ours kept that law. Jesus resisted the devil. The devil is in war, oppression, arresting, accusations condemning people. All of the bad things. Christ in us helps us to resist the urge to do those activities overcoming the devil ending the conflict in each individual Christ in us the hope of glory.

    Had Jesus sinned God would have been imprisoned. Satan can’t get close to God so he through people imprisons people on earth and holds them in his unseen prison till judgment day. The people that are in his prison refuse to be like Jesus is accepting Satan as their master.

    People that think they see hell in a NDE are seeing that unseen jail. They are heading for obliteration in God judging light.
    Satan is not all knowing , but he Knew that Jesus was God. The mad man that was naked cutting himself with stones approached Jesus with devils speaking th4rough him saying have you come to torment us before the time?We knoiw who you are You are the Christ thew son of the living God. Satan is a chameleon trying to act like God through people. That is why we have so many churches confusing people. Is it this one or that one people constantly. with question marks over their heads?

  49. You are seeing the power of Jesus as the power of a gun. He did not save himself. Satan could not put him in his prison. People make prisons. Had Jesus save himself would have right then and there shined his glory obeying the taunting crowd coming off of the cross. He would have lost to the devil if he did that.
    Devils knew who Jesus was.
    Luke 8 >>
    King James Version: 28When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

    Jesus saving himself;
    It was not what effect it would have on the people. The devil was speaking through the people that were taunting him. Jesus ignored the taunting of the devil not saving himself not coming off of the cross in blaze of glory.

    Stop your demonic accusing. God did not accept a bribe. Had Jesus done that there would have been no Resurrection.

    The universe is Satan’s. There is nothing immortal in the universe because Satan as this time owns it because of what Adam, and Eve did. Death came to all things.

    You have no idea how powerful God is. His power makes life. Life with death in it however can’t exist in his glory.
    God being prescient sees the results of our action. The babies being dashed on the rocks for an example is God seeing what will happen. God ends up being blamed for doing that. The Devil is behind the accusation.

    God needs to be in you to be like Jesus is. That saves the soul. People see what they see with their eyes. God sees beyond what we see with our eyes. God is the opposite to our physical corruptible bodies. We make things with our hands that does not have life in it. God makes life. Without death in it life would be immortal.

    The struggle is Satan trying to prove to God that people that are fallen can’t keep Gods law. .Jesus in a body like ours kept that law. Jesus resisted the devil. The devil is in war, oppression, arresting, accusations condemning people. All of the bad things. Christ in us helps us to resist the urge to do those activities overcoming the devil ending the conflict in each individual Christ in us the hope of glory.

    Had Jesus sinned God would have been imprisoned. Satan can’t get close to God so he through people imprisons people on earth and holds them in his unseen prison till judgment day. The people that are in his prison refuse to be like Jesus is accepting Satan as their master.

    People that think they see hell in a NDE are seeing that unseen jail. They are heading for obliteration in God judging light.
    Satan is not all knowing , but he Knew that Jesus was God. The mad man that was naked cutting himself with stones approached Jesus with devils speaking th4rough him saying have you come to torment us before the time?We knoiw who you are You are the Christ thew son of the living God. Satan is a chameleon trying to act like God through people. That is why we have so many churches confusing people. Is it this one or that one people constantly. with question marks over their heads?

  50. @Jonathan: More contradictory bs, buddy. Either God can do anything, or he cannot. End of story. If there is something God cannot control, then God is not all powerful, and that isn’t what the Bible says. If God could be “imprisoned” against his will, then God is not all powerful, and that is not what the Bible says. All contradictory bs, it has to be contradictory in order to tell the story, because a narrative needs something to be outside the control of a character in order to create a conflict.

    Otherwise, God is just schizophrenically fighting himself, like the guy in Fight Club.

  51. I don’t give your accusing accusations. The conflict is in you. Satan began conflict. It is up to you to accept God into you to end your conflict. Jesus in a person does not do that. You are damning your soul to see Gods light as hell. Religions don’t teach that. You are hurting yourself by not resitting the negitive spirit in you. God has to be in whoever first. Christ in us. Is that familuar to you? God promises to make all things new. You have to let him make your soul new. Then your mouth according to scripture will not be abominable not being defiled not being perverted not being naughty either. The religions misinform people about what is in their own book. Here are the verses to prove it.
    10; things that are abominable, not one of them is connected to any sexual activity.
    15; verses about the word perverse. Not a one of them connected to any kind of sex.
    4; verses about defile. Not a one connected to evil accusations.
    4 verses saying naughty is not what religions have taught. Naughty is not having people see sexual organs.
    James:1 20 – 21, for the wrath of man worketh not the rightiouness of God. Whearfor lay apart all filthyness ,and superfluidy of naugtyness.
    Proverbs 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.
    Proverbs 17: 4,A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.Jeremiah 24,2,One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are firt ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.
    Samual 17,28 :And Eliab his eldist brother heard when he spake unto the men: and Eliab’s anger was kindled against David, and he said why camist thou left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know thy pride: and the naughtness of thine heart heart: for thou art come down that thou mightest see the battle.
    All of the words used against naked people, and the sexualities are not what religions claim.
    Perversion in not any kind of sex.
    Proverbs 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
    Proverbs 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
    Job 6 >>30Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?
    King James Version
    Proverbs 12 >>8A man shall be commended according to his wisdom: but he that is of a perverse heart shall be despised.
    King James Version
    Isaiah 30 >>12Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon
    King James Version
    1 Timothy 6 >>5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness
    King James Version
    Deuteronomy 16 >>19Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous. Words are perverted not sex of any kind..
    Job 8 >>3Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?
    King James Version
    Jeremiah 23 >>36And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man’s word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
    Galatians 1 >>7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    King James Version
    Ecclesiastes 5 >>8If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province,
    King James Version
    Micah 3 >>9Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
    King James Version
    King James Version
    Pro 19 1Better is The poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lip,and and is a fool,
    Pro 4 24,Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
    KJV, Proverbs 3, 32For the froward is abomination to the LORD,not gay sex sex with other species or sex when the age spread is wide.
    Pro 12; 22Lying lips are abomination
    Proverbs 20 :10Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD .
    looky here 7 more things that are abominable to the lord. Not a one of them is any kind of sex.
    KJV, Pro; 6;16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren,
    Hebrews 12:15; Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.
    A bitter person will have bitter words.
    Isaiah 59 >>3For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
    King James Version
    The verse above takes about defiled,and perverse with both not Being sex of any kind.
    Matthew 15 >> 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
    King James Version
    Mark 7 >> 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

  52. There is no conflict in me, I am just analyzing your fiction. I don’t give a crap about your magic fictional friend, or his fictional threats against my fictional “soul.” You waste your life in that mental masturbation, Jonathan, if it makes you happy. Just stay in your lane, okay?

  53. Jesus is our example. Jesus had to defeat Satan in a body exactly like we have. It could have been done no other way. God in his heavily form even without shining his glory did not have blood in it.

  54. Had people followed what is in the KJV the legal sytem, and military would have never been. People that have wisdom do not war. Ecclesiastes 9:18:Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good. This book is calling the human species foolish. People have been unwise to say the least to not even take the advice in the KJV. That Makes yoiu foolish to mock the KJV.

  55. @Jonathan:

    “People that have wisdom do not war.”

    I have to pick you up on this because, if you read the old testament, then you are saying that your god does not have wisdom as he was the god of war (and ethnic cleansing, but that’s for another time)

    As Tony is saying, you are talking bullshit (and doing so in a nearly illiterate form) so please, edit before you post again and maybe try to plug whatever brain you have in first also.

    Cheers

  56. @Jonathan: Jesus is our example. Jesus had to defeat Satan in a body exactly like we have.

    Exactly? So that means you can walk on water, heal the sick with a touch, and raise the dead, Jonathan?

    How convenient that must be.

  57. @Gene: Do you have any idea what it would mean if I could walk on water? I will tell you: If I want to walk the dog to the nature trail, which is a nice walk, I have to cross the creek, and the nearest bridge that crosses the creek is about 400 yards in the wrong direction from the nature trail! So that costs me 800 yards, which is good exercise I suppose but I don’t like walking alongside road traffic, and I’d much rather spend that half mile on the trail, and so would the dog I feel sure, because he is very much big truck-averse. If I could just carry the dog across the creek, man, life would be sweet. Or maybe if he’s with me, he can walk on water too, who knows? Because I am pretty sure the Council of Nicaea edited out all the passages about Jesus’ dogs and cats. They were so judgmental. Plus I think Bishops tend more toward being donkey aficionados, which look kind of like a bigger dog, I suppose, but I have no hard evidence of that bias.

  58. @Gene: That is true, and in my excitement over my potential shortcut, I had not thought that far ahead. Your suggestion has prompted a cup of hot tea and quiet contemplation.

    Should I acquire the ability to walk on water, and other fishermen do not, then I think I should only use it in cases of hunger. Otherwise, my fellow fishermen would dismiss my catches as the product of non-fishing skill.

    They would say, for example, “Sure, if I could walk about on the lake I wouldn’t need any casting skill either. If I could keep the lure from being swept down the river, I wouldn’t need to waste time reeling it in.” They will say, “If all you care about is getting the fish, why don’t you just use a net across the river, Tony? Or go to the fish market? Hey, look what Tony caught, on aisle three!”

  59. all religions claim that GOD will help those whom HE wishes and the president refuses to listen, which brings you to GOD DAMN president obama, and GOD DAMN the united states of america is a true statement from revere-end wright. and obama is going to name an antichrist to pray to the fools that follow the antichrists. so that means that the word all powerful is misinterpreted by man. so jonathan if you are talking to GOD on this web site have you spoken against ME not that I will answer you or the president…

    do not change anything is being tried and jonathan hughes you are trying to change GOD. the president is trying to do the same despite the warnings.

    men will kneel to other men is wrtten in the end of times. jonathan, do you kneel to any one other than GOD. and prayers will go unanswered is written, so what will the president get if the PROMISED LAND being sold and the christians say the there is no PROMISED LAND when it says give all to GOD that belongs to GOD. now jonathan hughes what does that make you guilty of? blasphemy against GOD maybe when the muslims are the only religion that honor GOD only…

    the BIBLE DOES say that this president will know no religion. why would I be so cunning, while you jonathan hughes and the world are so mislead as written. do you read the bible to fit your needs just like every religion? it says to change nothing, and many miracles would be wasted. I was involved in all those miracles. the antichrists claim many to their credit. so the flock has been mislead into thinking that they are saved when the muslims have it right. they do not honor MY SON as written and the president is sitting on the fence to…

    from the chosen ONE that is written the churches will screw into the ground. I think THE BIBLE calls christians the ignorant and the arrogant. what’s the name of the poison that fits your needs.

    because the president asks for help and refuses GOD which is what clergy want, to label GOD as the anticrhist. it is written as: even GOD will be powerless against satan…, and the clergy will have to be killed to get them off MY property, AND THEY PREACH TO KILL THEM, means that GOD said to kill them as they say, GODS WORD is to be fulfilled to destroy the antichrists.

    any questions hughes!

  60. jonathan!
    satan was left on the earth, waiting for the antichrist so that he could make war against GOD. Why? and I don’t want a bunch of magical jesus bullshit either!

  61. Whoever does not do the will of the father is anti Christ. At Christs second coming there will be no people alive on the planet. Satan needs people to inhabit to do evil acts in. Not having them puts Satan in a type of prison being chained. When the second resurrection occurs Satan will marshal the wicked around the city of God that comes down from the sky adorned as a bride. Satan will try to take it seeing the multitude around him raised because God in glory just came to earth. Satan when he tries to take the city is incinerated, all of him, and the wicked too. Jesus is not what you think. Stop your foolish pointless negativity. Your negativity does you no good at all. It grades whoever down . Nothing good in that at all.

    Before that occurs Satan will try to impersonate the second coming. That will be what is know as the abomination of desolation. That is because Satan will call fire down from the sky trying to do what God did to 5the bull sacrafic in a challenge against Baal, and Baalim worshipers to try and fool people into thinking he is God when he is not God in character. God tells his followers to not to stick around when he shows up.flee from before him immediately.

    What the abomination of desolation is is Lucifer shining looking like God. He brings fire unlike any fire people have ever known.
    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

  62. @Johathan: I suppose if one impossible event occurs we might conclude that many other impossible events could also occur. But, it is not possible for impossible events to happen, that is the definition of impossible. So I do not spend any time worrying about the many impossible events that have come to fevered imaginations.

    Enjoy your fantasy, I think you have the right to waste your life.

  63. King James Version 1 Thessalonians 5 >> 19Quench not the Spirit. 20,Despise not prophesyings. All I am telling you is what is in scripture plainly stated KJV. The first that will be last are those that are alive, and remain rising into the air. The last rise from the dead to be the first to meet the Lord in the air. Just because religions did not teach you this does not mean what I say is untrue. Revelation 20:2 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
    The only s way to bind him is to have no living being alive for him to be in. He can be resisted.
    James 4:7 :Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

  64. King James Version 1 Thessalonians 5 >> 19Quench not the Spirit. 20,Despise not prophesyings. All I am telling you is what is in scripture plainly stated KJV. The first that will be last are those that are alive, and remain rising into the air. The last rise from the dead to be the first to meet the Lord in the air. Just because religions did not teach you this does not mean what I say is untrue. Revelation 20:2 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
    The only way to bind him is to have no living being alive for him to be in. He can be resisted.
    James 4:7 :Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

  65. @Jonathan: All I am telling you is what is in scripture plainly stated KJV.

    And why, exactly, do you believe that?
    Because people told you to, undoubtedly.
    Otherwise, anybody could write a book, and say in the book it was the word of God and infallible, and you would have to believe it. The only reason you believe the KJV is because people told you to believe, because people told them to believe.

    Nobody has the right to order you to believe something, Jonathan. You have allowed yourself to be enslaved by thought police.

  66. jonathan:
    all I am telling you is that you will hear the words from GODS own mouth and that JESUS said that although HE may be forgiving THE FATHER is NOT.
    you were given free will to worship satan or GOD.

    the CHOSEN ONE is said to correct all the things is here means that GOD knew every one that would be born since the beginning of the universe.
    you proved that you want to test GOD and by doing nothing that you were instructed to do, is denying GOD. and why Did GOD know that mythical creatures would get written in THE BIBLE.

    you were told not to go to any religious institution and to close them. to legalize same sex marriage, and abortion. the churches have crossed the line in the sand and are testing GOD. I said that I didn’t want any magical jesus bullshit. if your in the air with JESUS, gravity is going to take over and you are going to fall and bust your ass. and there are no clergy from any religion in HEAVEN. I do know that.

    JESUS said that HE was under very strict rules from THE FATHER IN HEAVEN. HE still has to listen to HIS MOTHER also, Who is the HOLY SPIRIT.

    …Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done, on earth as it is in HEAVEN…
    jonathan your going to HELL. your church has taught you to speak against ME, and they continue to do so. jonathan you sound just like a GOD DAMNED preacher.

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