A South Carolina man, Albert Perry, recently died and one of his relatives decided to submit a DNA sample to a company called Family Tree DNA to help detail their genealogical tree. The company however was confused because his Y-chromosome did not appear in his family tree. Later analysis by Michael Hammer, a geneticist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, found that Perry’s Y chromosome showed that his male lineage probably separated from all others about 338,000 years ago. Before Perry, all men could be traced to a genetic “Adam” who lived between 60,000 and 140,000 years ago. Now we have a man with a link that goes back almost 200,000 years earlier. Of course, that does not quite fit with creationists who believe the Earth is only 5000 to 6000 years old, but for the rest of humanity it is a pretty interesting discovery.
The results of this research were published recently in a study by the The American Society of Human Genetics.
Perry’s chromosome shows that the last common male ancestor down the paternal line of our species is over twice as old as we thought. The chromosome is a type of genetic time capsule that may reflect the interbreeding between Neanderthals and Denisovans. Hammer’s team looked at an African database of nearly 6000 Y chromosomes and found similarities between Perry’s and those in samples taken from 11 men, all living in one village in Cameroon. That may be the very village that Perry’s ancestors came from.
That is very cool.
Source: New Scientist
South Carolina !!? … who knew? I would have guessed Texas.
You think he’s part of the original race traced back to Ethiopia…. Or further back…
Another reason why a couple should not name a new born child Adam. Newtown was enough reason but this is irrefutable.
What are you saying BarkinDog? That all Adams eminate from South Carolina, even before it was a colony? What, they then moved to New York and might show up at the schoolyard with a gun?
This has nothing to do with the Adams of the world and their warpedness.
Well with the Adam in Newtown case you have to ask yourself what a mother was doing with automatic weapons in the house when she knew she had a kid named Adam. And that Adams have this trait.
I wonder if this goes back to John Adams as well.
I smell something rotten here.
We had an Al Perry here at the marina and he was a dinosaur.
Judging from his picture I’d say he could use a cheeseburger.
we really need to get the pound in here to clean the stray BS out
This is fascinating stuff.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old.html
Its a good thing, a good discovery if the science is solid. I don’t think one should get too sold on the genetic track, like it’s ‘you’, as,of course, it isn’t. But the genetic track goes back a long ways, much further back that this new breed of born again Christians agree to. I was amazed the other day at how old some of these guys think our planet is! It was so recent in their eyes that scientifically it would be hotter than hell! The truth about creationism vs Darwinism is neither, but somewhere in the middle. Darwin made a bunch of stuff up to expand his theory like Hagel. The big-being-in-the-sky religions make the huge unprovable assumption that creation could only be their way. However, there are ways to prove the spirituality of man, or at least that there is more than matter, energy, space and time. Insisting on one & denying the other is incorrect and extreme. Of course, we are barely exploring other planets & not a single other sun’s planets, so I’m sure there is plenty of room for more discoveries. If it all (the current batch of humanity) started in Camaroon or Carolina, who or what got it there from where?
Very Interesting mapping of our origins. One more puzzle piece to add to the big one. Great article which once again warns the religiosos to understand that saying,” I do not know”, is the only way to open the inner windows of knowledge. It also proves that there is no Absolute Truth but the objective truth is absolute for the moment.
Those folks over there in that S. Carolina descendency tree may come from the Akinoids.
I can see Colbert doing a bit on this.
I didn’t realize that MC Hammer is now a geneticist!
This article’s suggestion that Creationists believe that the Earth was created less than 10,000 years ago is incorrect and reflects an obvious bias unfettered by facts.
Only SOME creationists believe that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Anad, in fact, the creationists who hold to that particular time frame are called “Young Earth Creationists.”
The fact is that some scientists (such as Hugh Ross and Gerald Schroeder) who believe in Creationism hold to other forms such as “Old Earth Creationism”–which posits an act of creation that took place millions or billions of years ago, with variations on the timing of the creation of mankind.
So just as there is a diversity of positions among non-Creationists, there is considerable diversity among Creationists as well.
Instead of pretending to write an informative and balanced article, before you begin to write propapanda pieces like this one, start out with your real position, such as the following: “Note: Creationists are fools and I have superior intelligence, and, consequently, everything in this article is skewed and misrepresented as necessary to present that position.” That way you immediately tell the reader what you’re all about, and you tell how you really feel.
I am a creationist. My dad called us cretins but he was spulling it wrong. I believe everything in the Bible. The Sears Roebuck Bible. So, if on the Eighth Day God created Dog then who am I to quibble over how many years ago the First Day was.
Ralph Adamo. For purposes of the article the relevant distinction is not between young earth creationists and old earth creationists. It is between science and religious fundamentalism.
Ralph Adamo 1, March 7, 2013 at 4:13 pm
This article’s suggestion that Creationists believe that the Earth was created less than 10,000 years ago is incorrect and reflects an obvious bias unfettered by facts.
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Fair enough for discussion.
Anyone who looks into abiotic evolution knows that there are problems, only recently vivid enough to merit “do you have your scientific papers.”
One such rap goes like this:
(Methuselah Star). There are a lot of defects in the notions of evolution, otherwise we would not need to keep putting band-aids and such on the wounds.
And scientists fight each other as much as they fight Creationists:
(Weekend Rebel Science Excursion – 16). Furthermore, the Creationists fight each other tooth and nail as well (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity each have various creationist flavors).
How did the incredible research and discoveries of human DNA and its linkage to our enigmatic biology and human history turn into a fight about one psycho guy? Why not give these brilliant people their credit and let this not be another part of this seemingly endless political debate?
I would like to comment on the religious part as well. Creationism, Darwinism or in between, if this man’s research is brave enough to be published, it must be scrutinized and studied. Therefore, if you want to have an educated opinion, educate yourself before you give it. FIND his research and try to recreate it OR find the flaws by learning his methods. Too many people offer there opinion against science who are not scientist.