Forever Young: Alaskan Member Apologizes After Discussing How His Family Used To Have “Wetbacks” To Do Their Work

220px-Don_Young,_official_photo_portrait,_color,_2006On the very heels of the GOP pledging to reach out to hispanics and repair the damage of the last election after an array of anti-women and anti-hispanic comments, Alaska Rep. Don Young stepped forward to show that such a face lift is not likely to occur with party leaders speaking from the eighteenth century. Young has long been a liability for the GOP with a long line of allegations of unethical and corrupt practices.


The 79-year-old Young is the second-most senior Republican in the House. He insisted that he “meant no disrespect” in referring to the workers on his father’s farm in central California as “wetbacks.” It appears that he was entirely unaware that the term was derogatory.

He made the comments on the radio station KRBD in Ketchikan, Alaska, in observing that “we used to have 50-60 wetbacks to pick tomatoes . . . It takes two people to pick the same tomatoes now. It’s all done by machine.” It seems doubtful that this is the first time Young called such workers “wetbacks,” which means that he has likely used the expression previously without anyone objecting or informing him that it is viewed as an insulting and derogatory term.

Young is a leading anti-environmental legislator who has long been condemned for his close connections to lobbyists and industry groups. His latest allegations of misconduct has him under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for the alleged failure to report gifts on his annual disclosure forms, misuse of campaign funds and false statements to federal officials. He was recently also placed under investigation by the Justice Department over other gifts that he allegedly accepted in return for political patronage.

Young was also the chair of the committee that approved the “bridges to nowhere,” two proposed Alaska construction projects costing hundreds of millions that became the very symbol of congressional waste.

What is remarkable is that Young just treated his continual role as the subject of corruption charges as his unique signature as a public servant. Indeed, complaining about such corruption in Don Young is like complaining about the weather: “I’ve been under a cloud all my life. It’s sort of like living in Juneau. It rains on you all the time. You don’t even notice it.”

Despite years of congressional excess and self-dealing, the GOP has continued to support Don Young who is preparing for yet another run for office. His service to lobbyists in Washington results in massive campaign contributions that keep him as one of the principal “rainmakers” of waste and corporate windfalls in Congress. However, remember his wise words, complaining about Don Young or the weather is useless. He is just part of the permanent front of corruption that hangs over the Capitol.

Source: Fox

56 thoughts on “Forever Young: Alaskan Member Apologizes After Discussing How His Family Used To Have “Wetbacks” To Do Their Work

  1. We used to have a rag & bone man that came through our neighborhood. My dad always refereed to him as a ‘Sheeney’ I was about 12 or 13 before I learned that was a slur. But then again that was around 1960 and it was a lot more obscure that ‘wetback’. I can’t imagine Rep Young really didn’t know that was pretty insulting.

    Meanwhile the GOP thinks all they need to do is work on the way they say things

  2. Washington is full of people disconnected from the rest of the country.

    Look at Sen. Byrd (now deceased) of West Virginia; wasn’t he some “executive” in the KKK? The point is that both parties tolerate behavior that the rest of the country has long recognized as unacceptable.

    Perhaps more disturbing is the disconnect between our “leaders” and the people that they govern.

    On 1/1/13, we all experienced a 2% decrease in our incomes (the FICA tax). Washington seemed to regard that tax increase as necessary, acceptable and just.

    But listen to the howls stemming from the 2.3% sequester budget cuts, those cuts were considered draconian.

    Time that Washington politicians got more in touch with the U.S.; right now Washington is almost a foreign country.

  3. Can you imagine being the one tasked with explaining his error to this 79 year old idiot? That must have been a real fantasyland ride.

    “right now Washington is almost a foreign country” (Steve Fleischer) … yep

  4. RIP his dearly departed wife (2009). She held his hand through thick and thin in years past.

    Interesting state of affairs in Alaska. Some history for your readers and my guess is yourself as well.

    Mr. Young was defeated in ’72 by Nick Begich who perished in a plane crash. I think it was a year or so latter and Don Young succeed him (appointed).

    Mark Begich, (democrat) the son of Nick, recently defeated Ted Stevens (republican) under a cloud of oil tax corruption and is now the junior senator from Alaska.

    Ted Stevens for what is is worth also perished in a plane crash shortly after his defeat while in the process of trying to clear his name and legacy.

    Currently Alaska is getting ready to put the pen in Governor Sean Parnell’s hand that will decrease oil taxation by approximately two billion dollars a year.

    The same Sean Parnell who inherited the governors mansion as Lieutenant Governor after Sarah Palin decided not to finish out her first term seeing as she figured she might as roll with Presidential Hopeful John McCain as his V.P. selection.

    Interestingly enough Palin unseated the former Junior Senator from Alaska Frank Murkowski after his first term in the republican primary and she went on to victory in the general election.

    Murkowski ran for Governor originally and was elected as a sitting US Senator. To paraphrase his reasons for running…”to get a gas pipeline built”.

    He appointed his daughter Lisa Murkowski after elected who was confirmed by the Alaska Legislature to succeed him in the US Senate. She is now the senior US Senator from Alaska.

    The same Lisa Murkowski who just succeeded in winning a write in campaign for the US Senate to secure another term. I think that has only happened twice in American history.

    So anyway…before you throw stones at Mr. Young ponder the interesting dynamics.

    Don’t forget to vote next time around Alaskans, and Do you know the dynamics of the last 40 plus years of the congress men/women near you beyond the headlines?

    Or are you all just a bunch of “wet backs”? I joke but I do not think just the state of Alaska is full of such flavorful national representation.

    These are the folks that we trust with just what again exactly?

  5. Young is dirty and has been for years. I wonder if his corporate sponsors will continue to funnel him money?

  6. “It appears that he was entirely unaware that the term was derogatory.”

    What on earth led you to this conclusion, Professor? Just because he gave that impression doesn’t mean it’s true. This guy is a Bullshitter, and I say that in the philosophical sense (HG Frankfurt, On Bullshit, Princeton Press). So, he’s just trying to convey an impression. I’m sure he knows damn well that the term is, and always has been, derogatory. See “Operation Wetback.”

  7. Steve Fleischer, nice stretch. Sen. Byrd apologized for his racist views in his past, so the Democrats didn’t have to “tolerate” his behavior. HE ENDED his bad behavior, apologized, and was forgiven by the members of his party. Many former racist Democrats became Republicans when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, because the Republican Party tolerates the racists. Not the Dems. That’s the whole basis for the southern strategy.

    Our the FICA tax went back up after having been cut as part of Obama’s stimulus program. Apparently you’re unaware of this fact, so when you speak, you make it sound as if the tax was raised. This is disingenuous. But perhaps you were unaware of this fact. In the future, I suggest you study the matter before suggesting that “Washington” raised your taxes, when, in fact, the temporary cut in your taxes simply expired.

    I’d say it’s time you got more in touch with the US, and especially the basic facts of what are going on. It’s like you’re living in a foreign country.

  8. Dredd, again, why be so kind to this person? There is absolutely no evidence that this man’s prejudice is “under the hood.” The term wetback has always been derogatory. He had first hand experience with Operation Wetback, a Federal program of mass deportations. His use of the term was offhanded, but that doesn’t mean he’s just using it carelessly. It’s a dog whistle to his racist constituents who don’t want immigrants in the US. And his half-assed non-apology apology is further proof that he knows damn well what he said, and he doesn’t care, because, 1, he’s a racist, and 2, it’ll help him get reelected.

  9. John Barleycorn: “So anyway…before you throw stones at Mr. Young ponder the interesting dynamics.”

    What, exactly, about the dynamics of Alaskan politics should stop me from “throwing stones” at a racist? Is there some quirky twist about running for office in Alaska, as, say, opposed to Alabama, that excuses racist remarks? We’re supposed to give him a pass because a very large, lightly populated state has an odd political dynamic? This makes his racist remarks excusable?

  10. He used a dehumanizing expression… and, IMO, he conveyed exactly what believes. I’d put money on it.

  11. Scott Supak (@ssupak) 1, April 1, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Dredd, again, why be so kind to this person? There is absolutely no evidence that this man’s prejudice is “under the hood.” The term wetback has always been derogatory. He had first hand experience with Operation Wetback, a Federal program of mass deportations. His use of the term was offhanded, but that doesn’t mean he’s just using it carelessly. It’s a dog whistle to his racist constituents who don’t want immigrants in the US. And his half-assed non-apology apology is further proof that he knows damn well what he said, and he doesn’t care, because, 1, he’s a racist, and 2, it’ll help him get reelected.
    =================================================
    You neglected the introduction to my comment which was:

    This gets back to the Mike S post Saturday.

    The propaganda going back over a hundred years takes a toll on the human mind.

    In that thread Mike S pointed out, inter alia, that propaganda is one of the primary reasons for the under-the-hood institutionalization of racial prejudice which is still rife in our cultural amygdala.

    On the Mike S post I quoted text concerning some scholarly work in that regard:

    … historians nowadays tend to be interested in different facets of memory, especially “collective memory” and its mirror image, forgetting. Among other things, we want to know how a society or community’s memory of important events changes over time. Those changes often involve forgetting what we once knew — or thought we knew.

    For example, the Yale historian, David Blight, has shown that during the first 50 years after the Civil War, the majority of white Americans largely forgot the harshness of slavery and came to remember the institution as relatively benign. A southern, romanticized version of slavery took shape thanks to a proliferation local Civil War museums and the desire of political and cultural elites to forge reconciliation between the North and the South.

    Bipartisan cultural practices of denial that become institutionalized flow in the cognitive rivers below the level of our consciousness:

    Probably 98 percent of your reasoning is unconscious – what your brain is doing behind the scenes. Reason is inherently emotional. You can’t even choose a goal, much less form a plan and carry it out, without a sense that it will satisfy you, not dis­gust you. Fear and anxiety will affect your plans and your ac­tions. You act differently, and plan differently, out of hope and joy than out of fear and anxiety.

    Thought is physical. Learning requires a physical brain change: Receptors for neurotransmitters change at the synapses, which changes neural circuitry. Since thinking is the activation of such circuitry, somewhat different thinking re­quires a somewhat different brain. Brains change as you use them-even unconsciously. It’s as if your car changed as you drove it, say from a stick shift gradually to an automatic.

    (Toxic Bridge To Everywhere). It takes more than readin’, writin’, and ‘rithmetic to take the pollution out of those subterranean rivers in our national psyche.

    That is why it is still there polluting our nation.

  12. What (now don’t get ready for the sky to fall) Bron said and ap as well.

    This guy is a racist dinosaur.

  13. Scott Supak

    Thanks for responding to Steve Fleisher’s post so well. I had begun a response but had to stop to take care of an issue. By the time I got back your post had addressed my frustration with his entry.

  14. Dredd, I got the jist of what you were talking about, and I’m trying to say that the idea that this applies to Rep. Young seems like a bit of a leap. Sure, we all tend to gloss over bad things in the past, and sure, much of that is an unconscious decision to help us deal with guilt, or whatever, as with the neo-confederates trying to say the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, or like Ron Paul trying to say we could have bought the slaves from the south (completely ignoring basic facts, like the Cornerstone Speech). But why subscribe this to some unconscious act when you don’t have any proof that this man is actually doing that?

    Let me put it this way… Unless you can sit Don Young down and talk to him, and delve into his psyche, you have no way of knowing if he’s just reaching back into his mind and grabbing a word from under his hood that he no longer realizes is racist (or maybe he never thought it was racist). This would be a stretch, since we know that Don Young has a history of this kind of crap, that he was alive and well during “Operation Wetback,” and that a US congressman who is almost 80 years old hasn’t ever been told that the term “wetback” is racist. He’s a rabid anti-immigration GOP dinosaur who’s fought against equality all his life and depends on the votes of like-minded people to keep getting re-elected. Why assume that it’s some deep-seated psycho pathology or something when the most obvious answer is that he knows damn well what he’s saying, and he does it on purpose as a dog whistle?

  15. Byrd? Byrd apologized for his membership in the KKK so okay, good on him? Bull-twinkies! How about his filibuster of the Civil Rights Act or his words in 2001: “There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time, if you want to use that word. ” The list goes on and on and on where good ol’ boy Byrd is concerned.

    BTW … anyone ever tried to be black in West Virginia. Let’s give it a shot:

    States on West Virginia’s borders—————–Percentage black population

    Ohio ——————————————————–12.4
    Virginia —————————————————-19.8
    Pennsylvania ——————————————–11.3
    Kentucky ————————————————–8.0

    West Virginia—————————————3.5

    Steve Fleischer may not have said it right where taxes were concerned but where good ol’ Byrd’s and the Party system is concerned, he got it right.

  16. @Blouise… Sigh.

    WV is one of the most racist states in the union. And, as I said above, yes, some people have a lot of racist crap “under their hoods.” But Byrd apologized for his views and came out strongly for civil rights. This is from his Wikipedia page:

    “He filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and supported the Vietnam War, but later backed civil rights measures and criticized the Iraq War. He was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, serving as a recruiter and leader for his chapter, but later left the group and denounced racial intolerance.”

    And here’s his apology for the “white nigger” remark:

    “I apologize for the characterization I used on this program … The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today’s society … In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people.”

    If you think you have better evidence, go try to change the page and see what happens. But the comparison here is with Byrd, who screwed up sometimes with his language, but apologized, and these Republicans who tend to screw up a lot on their language (outreach indeed) and then offer these non-apology apologies. But it’s really worse than that. It’s really about the policies, and on policy, the GOP is all about hurting minorities because that helps them with their base. Here’s Lee Atwater on the Southern Strategy:

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    Anyhow, you managed to find one guy in the Democratic party, long gone now, who was a racist at one point in his life, and then denounced it. Show my a denouncement like that from Don Young. I’ll wait.

    And while I’m waiting, I’ll remind you that the GOP is full of mostly white guys, many of them who are openly racist all the time, spewing crap like this every chance they get. Find me some current Democrats who do that.

    To suggest that both parties are the same on race is ignorant and offensive. The Democrats are the party of tolerance for all races, religions, and orientations. The GOP is full of a bunch of old racist farts who listen for dog whistles to tell them how to vote. The southern strategy is still alive and well (Willard Romney used it with his Foodstamp crap, his welfare lies, etc). The anti-immigration wing of the GOP is so racist and crazy that even the smart Republicans can’t manage to shut them up.

  17. Odd, the Lee Atwater quote didn’t come through…

    Questioner [Bob Herbert]: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

    Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

  18. You know, further, Blouise, I don’t know what the percent of a population has to do with how racist it is. WV is 37th, with a lot of states, like HI, OR, and VT, which are not usually thought of as racist havens, having lower percentages of their populations as blacks. And, the states with high percentages of blacks are generally thought of as more racist, like Alabama and Mississippi.

  19. “@Blouise… Sigh.” (Scott Supak (@ssupak)

    I love it! I’m being chastised for not seeing the difference between a racist from Alaska and one from West Virginia. Both expressed regret but of course Byrd, being a good Democrat, meant his (needing to do it several times), but the awful Republican naturally didn’t.

    Dear Scott Supak … you have no idea how truly delicious this is! Please tell me more about the goodness of the Democrats for I long to be cured of insensitivity and ignorance and I’m certain a Democrat can lead me down the proper path.

    Delicious!

  20. rafflaw:

    was I right? Yep. Get rid of this idiot and all the others like him. We dont need bridges that only 50 people use which cost 250 million dollars. you could buy each of them a nice boat and a car for 10 million.

  21. SwM,

    Eat your heart out kiddo, I’m on the path of being identified as a partisan Republican so don’t mess me up.

    Seriously (as to your post) … I doubt we’d find a democrat that stupid

  22. SwM,

    You spend far too much time at the dentist!

    And yes, stupid men, armed to the teeth, have always been my weakness. Is there a picture of Perry in camo I can hang on my wall?

  23. Scott Supak (@ssupak) 1, April 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Dredd, I got the jist of what you were talking about, and I’m trying to say that the idea that this applies to Rep. Young seems like a bit of a leap. Sure, we all tend to gloss over bad things in the past, and sure, much of that is an unconscious decision to help us deal with guilt, or whatever, as with the neo-confederates trying to say the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, or like Ron Paul trying to say we could have bought the slaves from the south (completely ignoring basic facts, like the Cornerstone Speech). But why subscribe this to some unconscious act when you don’t have any proof that this man is actually doing that?

    Let me put it this way… Unless you can sit Don Young down and talk to him, and delve into his psyche, you have no way of knowing if he’s just reaching back into his mind and grabbing a word from under his hood that he no longer realizes is racist (or maybe he never thought it was racist). This would be a stretch, since we know that Don Young has a history of this kind of crap, that he was alive and well during “Operation Wetback,” and that a US congressman who is almost 80 years old hasn’t ever been told that the term “wetback” is racist. He’s a rabid anti-immigration GOP dinosaur who’s fought against equality all his life and depends on the votes of like-minded people to keep getting re-elected. Why assume that it’s some deep-seated psycho pathology or something when the most obvious answer is that he knows damn well what he’s saying, and he does it on purpose as a dog whistle?

    ============================================

    Let me again quote a part of my quote:

    “A southern, romanticized version of slavery took shape thanks to a proliferation local Civil War museums and the desire of political and cultural elites to forge reconciliation between the North and the South.”

    The denial dynamic is a cultural dynamic bereft of vision, and what Young did is popularly called a “Freudian Slip”, a pop psychoanalysis that reveals we understand intuitively that all of us “inadvertently let things out that are down there in the subconscious.”

    Your comments read like an approach to convert the overriding cultural phenomenon into an individual phenomenon.

    It is not an individual phenomenon, it is a product of “groupthink” or “ruling group mind” (RGM) a la one type of many types of group insanity:

    “Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” – Friedrich Nietzsche

    This is one of those mysterious things downstream from our failure to focus on groups, thinking that individualism is both a source, cure and disease.

    Individualism is first and foremost subject to and subservient to society, to culture.

    Our culture is the problem, therefore, focusing on individuals who act according to the culture that made them is incoherent in the sense of being a remedy to a cultural problem.

    Sadly, we have never moved beyond Freud’s gateway statement:

    “I would not say that such an attempt to apply psychoanalysis to civilized society would be fanciful or doomed to fruitlessness.” – Sigmund Freud

    That is, we have never developed a dynamic that would require laws to be sane through an analysis based on a notion of cultural sanity.

    Until we do we cannot guarantee that what we are doing as a culture is sane, because we are left with analyzing individuals as if they were the culture.

    In that context, since individuals are victims of the culture, to focus on punishing individuals as a technique of a social remedy is nothing more than victimization by denial masquerading as social enlightenment.

    We must develop a way to fix the culture of racism, and not focus on individual manifestations of what they picked up from their culture.

    Once that is done, focusing on the wrong Freudian slips of people like Young, who obviously have no clue of the brew bubbling below their eye-sockets, can be done without victimizing them.

    Treating them as freaks, when the much larger culture is the freak that produced them, is a dogma that comes from bully worship.

    It is like beating up a 4 year old kid for mouthing what his culture, in the form of his parents at that age, taught him.

    I submit that you are still trapped in 18th century logic worship, which is know to be a myth in current cognitive science:

  24. SwM,

    Re: Daily Caller … I have always longed to be part of a “news publication providing its audience with original reporting, thought-provoking commentary and breaking news.”

  25. Blouise, I had not been for a year but now I will have at least four appointments. It is too bad Perry was not standing by the capitol in Austin the day I sent you the pictures.

  26. Scott Supak (@ssupak) 1, April 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Dredd, I got the jist of what you were talking about, and I’m trying to say that the idea that this applies to Rep. Young seems like a bit of a leap. Sure, we all tend to gloss over bad things in the past, and sure, much of that is an unconscious decision to help us deal with guilt, or whatever, as with the neo-confederates trying to say the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, or like Ron Paul trying to say we could have bought the slaves from the south (completely ignoring basic facts, like the Cornerstone Speech). But why subscribe this to some unconscious act when you don’t have any proof that this man is actually doing that?

    Let me put it this way… Unless you can sit Don Young down and talk to him, and delve into his psyche, you have no way of knowing if he’s just reaching back into his mind and grabbing a word from under his hood that he no longer realizes is racist (or maybe he never thought it was racist). This would be a stretch, since we know that Don Young has a history of this kind of crap, that he was alive and well during “Operation Wetback,” and that a US congressman who is almost 80 years old hasn’t ever been told that the term “wetback” is racist. He’s a rabid anti-immigration GOP dinosaur who’s fought against equality all his life and depends on the votes of like-minded people to keep getting re-elected. Why assume that it’s some deep-seated psycho pathology or something when the most obvious answer is that he knows damn well what he’s saying, and he does it on purpose as a dog whistle?
    ============================================
    SORRY … the above post lacked HTML …

    Let me again quote a part of my quote:

    A southern, romanticized version of slavery took shape thanks to a proliferation local Civil War museums and the desire of political and cultural elites to forge reconciliation between the North and the South.

    The denial dynamic is a cultural dynamic bereft of vision, and what Young did is popularly called a “Freudian Slip”, a pop psychoanalysis that reveals we understand intuitively that all of us “inadvertently let things out that are down there in the subconscious.”

    Your comments read like an approach to convert the overriding cultural phenomenon into an individual phenomenon.

    It is not an individual phenomenon, it is a product of “groupthink” or “ruling group mind” (RGM) a la one type of many types of group insanity:

    “Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” – Friedrich Nietzsche

    This is one of those mysterious things downstream from our failure to focus on groups, thinking that individualism is both a source, cure and disease.

    Individualism is first and foremost subject to and subservient to society, to culture.

    Our culture is the problem, therefore, focusing on individuals who act according to the culture that made them is incoherent in the sense of being a remedy to a cultural problem.

    Sadly, we have never moved beyond Freud’s gateway statement:

    “I would not say that such an attempt to apply psychoanalysis to civilized society would be fanciful or doomed to fruitlessness.” – Sigmund Freud

    That is, we have never developed a dynamic that would require laws to be sane through an analysis based on a notion of cultural sanity.

    Until we do we cannot guarantee that what we are doing as a culture is sane, because we are left with analyzing individuals as if they were the culture.

    In that context, since individuals are victims of the culture, to focus on punishing individuals as a technique of a social remedy is nothing more than victimization by denial masquerading as social enlightenment.

    We must develop a way to fix the culture of racism, and not focus on individual manifestations of what they picked up from their culture.

    Once that is done, focusing on the wrong Freudian slips of people like Young, who obviously have no clue of the brew bubbling below their eye-sockets, can be done without victimizing them.

    Treating them as freaks, when the much larger culture is the freak that produced them, is a dogma that comes from bully worship.

    It is like beating up a 4 year old kid for mouthing what his culture, in the form of his parents at that age, taught him.

    I submit that you are still trapped in 18th century logic worship, which is know to be a myth in current cognitive science:

  27. SwM,

    My loss though the pictures were lovely without him.

    Just got a cryptic call from the city that trash will not be picked up. I just now found out that the sanitation engineers have gone on strike.

  28. SwM,

    I have followed ol’ Tucker through many career morphs … he never seems to completely disappear … he just continues in one long fade-out.

  29. I delivered mail to a woman in her 80s. She had meals on wheels deliver lunch to her.
    In the warm weather she would sit on her enclosed porch. I often spoke with her. Across the street lived a young couple with two young children. Beautiful couple beautiful children. He was a cop, she took care of family the house and did part time work. My conversation with the woman in her 80s often turned to the qualities and awesomeness of the couple across the street. One day she said to me, “David can you ask them Nigg**s across the street to come visit me”. As smooth as pie she said this. I still am dealing with this statement of hers, trying to understand it.
    This was about the year 2000. I am in the northeast. Upstate NY. I never suggested to the couple to visit her. ….. Now I wish I had. I’m sure she would have been inspired by the children and the husband and wife. But the way she said it shocked me. She acknowledge the quality of the family, yet as sweet as pie she called them N-word.
    Being a mailman can be interesting. ….and humbling,….. as so many experiences I have had delivering mail 35 years, shocked me, astounded me, depressed me, and yet on so many occasions given me faith and hope in the human spirit.

  30. @ Dredd,
    Treating them as freaks, when the much larger culture is the freak that produced them, is a dogma that comes from bully worship.

    !!!!!!!!! WOW !!!!!!!!!!

  31. I live in the southern part of Texas. My parents and friends have used the word “wetback” many times We do not see any problem with the word because it simply means that they crossed the river illegally. For the most part, they have always been treated well while looking for work.

  32. “I live in the southern part of Texas. My parents and friends have used the word “wetback” many times We do not see any problem with the word because it simply means that they crossed the river illegally. For the most part, they have always been treated well while looking for work.”

    So, you check for immigration papers before you refer to a person as a wetback? Forgive me if I find that hard to believe.

    Also, even if you just use a slur against the “bad” members of a ethnicity, it’s still a slur.

  33. If you have never lived on the border then you won’t understand the word “wetback” and how easy it is to know one. When you hire someone to do work it is very easy to know their status. The word is not a slur but rather a meaning of one who is here illegally. If I remember correctly, last year there was a debate on whether we should even call someone illegal. Now that is stupid.

  34. So no, you don’t check their status. Instead you make an assumption based in large part on their ethnicity? One that reflects negatively on them?

    Yup, nothing bigoted about that, and referring to a group of people by a shared “negative” trait is the exact opposite of a slur.

  35. By the way, If a person who is here illegally doesn’t like that word then do not come here illegally. It sure odd that people who are wanting equal rights on the gay marriage thing also do not respect our laws on immigration.

  36. Gyges

    I ask them and they tell me they are here illegally. I am sure you have never lived on the border.

  37. Carlito,

    You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t really believe you when your story suddenly changes from, “If you have never lived on the border then you won’t understand the word “wetback” and how easy it is to know one. ” to, “I ask them.”

    If thinking that referring to people as a group by a negative trait isn’t a slur, makes you feel better, I guess you’re probably going to keep rationalizing it away. Just don’t expect me to buy it.

  38. I and many of my friends hire them to do work around our property. Anybody that has lived along the border knows where to look for them for work. Like I said, you wouldn’t know because you haven’t lived here. If every American would spend one month along the border and see what goes on then this comment by this congressman would not have been in the news.

  39. Wetbacks. Derogative. Not as bad as calling someone a Communiist. There was some twerp voiced itchBay on Fox News just now who specifically called Cesar chavez a Communist. Chavez had been featured in the middle of the Google page in honor of his 86th birthday and the Fox News people were ranting about Google giving anyone other than Christ attention on Easter. This McCarthyism on television needs to be seen for what it is and we need to boycott Fox and its advertisers. I dont know who twerp voice was but she is a Nazi.

  40. The real problem for RepubliCons on the immigration saga is that they have so many constituents who hire illegal aliens to do their work. They want to keep em illegal so that they can keep the wages down. The RepubliCons are the biggest hypocrites on this issue.

  41. I suppose… His family coming over to the US when it did makes him a Salt Back…. Not to take away from the flavor of good salt back….

  42. David Blauw 1, April 1, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    @ Dredd,
    Treating them as freaks, when the much larger culture is the freak that produced them, is a dogma that comes from bully worship.

    !!!!!!!!! WOW !!!!!!!!!!
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    I did not intend to absolve Rep. Young of his participation in racism, nor did I intend to absolve the culture from its much-larger-in-scope participation in racism.

    Using the concept of efficiency, the larger problem obviously must be solved to make the larger change to racism.

    Hypothetically, then, focusing on a little will result in a little change, but focusing on a lot will result in a lot more change.

    Thanks for your challenging comments.

  43. Where would THE FIRST non-segregated high school prom take place … certainly not in the U.S. … right?

    Wrong:

    A group of high school students in Wilcox County High School, GA., are taking a stand against their school’s practice of holding racially-segregated proms by organizing the first-ever integrated prom in the school’s history.

    (First Ever Non-Segregated Prom).

    This is a group dynamic that has been happening a long time.

    It is not individual racism, though it will perpetuate racism in individuals.

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