Louisiana Legislation Would Require Lord’s Prayer In Schools To Teach Freedom Of Religion

LAL000461Louisiana State Representative Katrina R. Jackson has a curious take on the religion clauses. Despite contrary Supreme Court precedent under the First Amendment, Jackson is pushing legislation to require students to learn the Lord’s prayer every morning in public schools. Jackson insists that requiring the Lord’s prayer (though students cannot be punished for failing to recite it) is simply a way to get them to appreciate . . . you guessed it . . . religious freedom.


House Bill 660 (known as the “Parental Choice Historical Prayer and Pledge Act”) would “require the State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education to establish a policy and develop procedures relative to school prayer and the pledge of allegiance.” It further states:

Students shall be reminded that the Lord’s Prayer is the prayer that the pilgrim fathers recited when they came to America in search for freedom.

Students shall be informed that these exercises are not meant to influence an individual’s personal religious beliefs in any manner.

The recitations shall be conducted so that students learn of America’s great freedoms,including the freedom of religion symbolized by the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer.

Having the government require the recitation of a prayer to God is certainly a lesson on religious freedom but one that is taught by the denial of that freedom. Jackson wants public employees to lead children in saying to God “Hallowed be thy Name; Thy Kingdom come; Thy will be done in earth; As it is in heaven.” They will also state together that “For thine is the kingdom, The power, and the glory, For ever and ever.”

The effort to require students to recite the Lord’s Prayer (or sit and listen to its daily recitation) is an obvious effort to endorse its religious message. It is not a lesson on freedom of religion. It is a lesson on state-endorsed religion. Once again, if passed, the law would trigger litigation and the expenditure of time and money before it is struck down — in a state that has limited educational funds. Louisiana currently ranks with the worst ranked school systems in the nation with over half of its schools deemed as failing. While that is certainly a good reason for students to pray that they will have any future with a subpar education, it would be better to actually offer education to help them find a job and a future.

On her bio in the state legislature, she is described

She states:

Attorney Jackson attended Lincoln Elementary, Carroll Jr. High school, Carroll High School. She also attended the University of Louisiana at Monroe, where she earned a Bachelor’s degree in Pre-Law and Legal Studies. . . . In efforts to quench her thirst and longing to help others, Ms. Jackson attended Southern University Law Center and received a Juris Doctor degree in 2004. Ms. Jackson ended her law school career by graduating in the top fourteen percent of her class (18 out of 128). In April 2005, Ms. Jackson was admitted to the Louisiana State Bar Association.

Clearly, the constitutional law classes did not seem to stick on the issue of separation of church and state.

She further states on her bio:

Ms. Jackson attributes her accomplishments to not just having a dream, but having a dream that lines up with God’s plan for her life. She believes her footsteps are ordered by God and everyday Ms. Jackson works to allow God to guide her in the process of realizing her dream. Her family worships at Riverside Missionary Baptist Church in Monroe, LA.

I understand the importance of faith to Ms. Jackson and her insistence that her work as a politician is part of God’s design. However, once again, the insistence on requiring others to recite and/or listen to professions of that faith is the step beyond personal faith to state endorsement. There are many people who are as faithful and devout as Jackson but do not run for office on that claim of faith or try to impose it on others. Indeed, there are many who view the use of faith by politicians to be offensive as they do mandatory recitation of religious prayers in schools. As Justice William Brennan states in his concurrence in Abington School District v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963):

There are persons in every community—often deeply devout—to whom any version of the Judaeo-Christian Bible is offensive. There are others whose reverence for the Holy Scriptures demands private study or reflection and to whom public reading or recitation is sacrilegious…. To such persons it is not the fact of using the Bible in the public schools, nor the content of any particular version, that is offensive, but the manner in which it is used.

Source: Patheos

61 thoughts on “Louisiana Legislation Would Require Lord’s Prayer In Schools To Teach Freedom Of Religion

  1. As a balance they should teach the prayers the Native Americans said, as the European settlers committed genocide on them and their culture.
    This would be real mind expanding.

  2. There’s a reason the founders required public officials to swear to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” They knew theocratic and disingenuous (oh, it’s just to promote its historical significance) dolts like Katrina Jackson are always around.

  3. mespo:

    we have got to change the idea that the Pilgrims were the founding of America. In my mind the real founding of America was Jamestown.

  4. David Blauw:

    why limit other prayer to just Native Americans? Add Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Jainist, Jewish and others as well.

  5. Bron:

    Good thoughts, Bron. I wonder what our religious-minded La. representative would say if we tacked onto to her bill some required recitations from the Q’uran?

  6. I generally view attorneys who refer to themselves as “Attorney ______”, as if it were an honorific, as over-compensating for personal inadequacies.

  7. Bron,

    Lol…. You just never know…. But come on… These folks in office today are just plain crazy…. Verily…..

  8. ” Teach Freedom Of Religion ”

    This was a long time ago. When I was in the 4th grade the state required that every class room start the day by reading 10 verses from the bible and recite the lord’s prayer. It was the common practice in our school that each day a different student would perform this task. As a result, every 5 or six weeks it was my duty to stand in front of the class, read from the bible and then lead the class reciting the lord’s prayer.

    That practice definitely taught me to value religious freedom.

    To this day I bristle at the thought of adults using their official position to inflict their view of religion on children.

    Don’t get me wrong. I have lived among Christians all my life and usually get along well with them. They usually have good intentions and frequently they are funny. Good Christians can make good neighbors – just avoid Wednesday night prayer meeting and any discussion of saving souls – if at all possible.

  9. mepso – I think we know how they would react to the 5 prayers of Islam. This came up recently in one of the former slave states. The State Rep offered a bill requiring the reciting of a prayer in schools and when asked if a Muslim pray would be permitted his reply was that he did not support terrorism.

    I think the reason our founding does not go back to Jamestown is there is no line from there to here – they died out.

  10. From the Book of Stu of Pid:

    Verily I say, there will come a time when My followers will subdue the Earth and my words will be heard from horizon to horizon. But I warn you, there will be tribulation in the West where some miscreants will seek to gorge from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge. Fear not, my minions armed with the mere power of these words will issue forth and drive out the infidels. The bravest of these are the ones who reside in the infidel camp and who through My divine intercession and their stealth do indirectly what we cannot do directly. So sayeth Stu of Pid.

  11. No, no, Jackson, religious freedom would be if you recited a different religion’s prayer every day, and some secular humanist mantra at least once in awhile as well.

  12. Ms. Jackson though no doubt intelligent, would seem to be extremely ignorant due to her religious bias that views the world through the extremely narrow lens of her religious beliefs. This is troubling because I can see that it is quite possible that she has proposed this travesty honestly believing that it has merits for teaching “religious freedom”, blinded by the strictures of her own faith.

    As to Bron’s comment, while I don’t see Jamestown as a good example, his point is quite valid. By promoting the Pilgrims as the “founders” we give weight to their particular point of view in the shaping of this nation. In fact that is not true and downplays the influence of the Catholics (Maryland) and the Quakers in Pennsylvania, in addition to many other religious traditions represented in the beginnings of our country. Considering the severity and intolerance of the Pilgrim’s themselves, this does ot make for a good reading of America history.

  13. The Lords Prayer: the first apCray that the slaves heard when they got off the slave ship on the port at the Colony of Virginia back in 1688.

  14. “Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition. ” Statement given before each meal by army guys in WWI in France.

  15. Randy Newman published a song entitled “Louisiana”. The repetitive part was “They’re trying to wash us away, they’re tryin to wash us away..”

    It seems apt that a Lords Prayer might stop something like being washed away in a flood, hurricane or pissant invasion. If someone could please Google the Randy Newman song and post the lyrics, we would all benefit. My Dogalogue Machine wont let us Google.

  16. Persons running for office should have to take an intelligence test to determine if they understand that defending the Constitution excludes proposing legislation that attacks it. I am so sick and tired of religious fanatics telling the rest of us that if we don’t let them force their religion down our throats we are intolerant bigots! This is what comes of allowing religious organizations to craft creative ways get public money “without offending the First Amendment”. Give them a dollar and they want it all!

  17. Religion is not in the Lords prayer. Had it be the world would not be in the mess it is in. People in the legal system and military do not deliver them selves from evil. They march right into it. Religions march into it persecuting wherever they can disobeying the Lords prayer saying they reverence it not keeping it being divided against themselves. God has to be in us to deliver us from temptation. People allow the devil to chew people up with hateful words too. Religions do not even keep the Lords prayer.

  18. Ms. Jackson attributes her accomplishments to not just having a dream, but having a dream that lines up with God’s plan for her life.
    ~+~
    Any politician claiming to do God’s work is a charlatan.. The devil’s bidding maybe, but God, no.

  19. San Agustín (St Augustine) was founded in September 1565 by Spanish admiral Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, and subsequently served as the capital of Spanish Florida for two hundred years. It remained the capital of East Florida as the territory changed hands between the Spanish and British, and remained the capital of the Florida Territory until it was moved it to Tallahassee in 1824.

    The Lord’s prayer was recited every day in the classroom I attended. I objected, silently. Never did say that prayer. If I have something to say, it has to be my idea, not someone else’s.

  20. The devil punishes. The Lords prayer must be understood. Heaven needs to be in us. When he is we will not take that name in vain in our words to whoever and our actions will likewise be in harmony with the actions of Jesus representing him. I will talk more about it latter.

  21. The devil punishes. The Lords prayer must be understood. Heaven needs to be in us. When it is, we will not take His name in vain in our words to whoever, and our actions will likewise be in harmony with the actions of Jesus. I will talk more about it latter.

  22. Like it or not, in 1775 the colonies were very much concerned with the Quebec Act (a product of the French Indian War) and Popery spreading from Canada to the colonies. They were also very concerned that the British were going to install an Anglican Bishop in New York and attempt to High Church the colonies. This fear was one of the many “uniting” factors that drew the 13 together and the Foundings used that fear quite well in their call to arms and push for independence.

  23. Justice Holmes,

    Elected officials don’t need an intelligence test. They all take an oath of office. Universally when they are sworn in they swear to uphold the Constitution of the state and United States of America. Last I checked that US Constitution still included the 1st Amendment. Still the supreme law of this land, even Louisiana and South Carolina. The right response is recall or impeach these legislators that are so afflicted that they are incapable of respecting a secular state.

    The wonderful writer Molly Ivins, once described George Bush as:
    “equal parts, machismo, anti-intellectualism and religiosity”. Molly was right about “W”. It would seem that that ethos will continue in American politics for the foreseeable future. Maybe instead of having these jokers take their oath of office on a bible, we should have them place their solemn hand on the Constitution . They could be given the copy and encouraged to actually read it. As a supplement they might also be given a pamphlet, dumbed down to about fifth grade level that gives a little history of the documents drafting and reference to significant cases that have interpreted some of the more important provisions.

    I have no doubt that the ACLU would upon request produce and provide these courtesy copies.

  24. I’ll go down and lead some nice pagan-ish chant to open school….I mean we should broaden that religious base, right? Can “Snark” be a religion…after all, it IS free.

  25. “Students shall be reminded that the Lord’s Prayer is the prayer that the pilgrim fathers recited when they came to America in search for freedom.”

    Oh ye, of little knowledge! Ms. Jackson needs a lesson in American history.

    *****
    Faith of the Pilgrims
    Plimoth Plantation
    http://www.plimoth.org/what-see-do/17th-century-english-village/faith-pilgrims

    Excerpt:
    Many of the Pilgrims were members of a Puritan sect known as the Separatists. They believed that membership in the Church of England violated the biblical precepts for true Christians, and they had to break away and form independent congregations that adhered more strictly to divine requirements. A passage from the Second Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians gave urgency to their actions. The Geneva translation for Second Corinthians 6: 16-18 reads:

    (16) And what agrement hathe the Temple of God with idoles? for ye are the Temple of the living God: as God hathe said, I wil dwell among them, and walke there; and I wil be their God, and shalbe my people. (17) Wherefore come out from among them, and separate your selves, faith the Lord: and touche none uncleane thing, & I wil receive you. (18) And I wil be a Father unto you, and ye shalbe my sonnes and daughters, saith the Lord almightie.

    At a time when Church and State were one, such an act was treasonous and the Separatists had to flee their mother country…

    The Separatist Faith

    The Separatists’ faith experience was part of the larger English Reformation of the 16th century. This movement sought to “purify” the Church of England of its corrupt human doctrine and practices; the people in the movement were known as “Puritans.” Separatists were those Puritans who no longer accepted the Church of England as a true church, refused to work within the structure to affect changes, and “separated” themselves to form a true church based solely on Biblical precedent. Puritans rejected Christmas, Easter and the various Saint’s Days because they had no scriptural justification, and in their worship services, they rejected hymns, the recitations of the Lord’s Prayer and creeds for the same reason.

    *****

    I’m going to repeat the final sentence of the last paragraph that I posted above:

    Puritans rejected Christmas, Easter and the various Saint’s Days because they had no scriptural justification, and in their worship services, they rejected hymns, the recitations of the Lord’s Prayer and creeds for the same reason.

  26. rafflaw:

    “Hang up the Jesus phone because the Taliban is calling”

    Can I use that line? I am going to write a country song.

  27. Elaine,
    You do realize that it is heresy to believe your facts that the founding fathers did not recite the Lords Prayer?! The American Taliban lady will not let history get in her way.

  28. ElaineM

    Missing Molly. She was marvelous. I suspect she would have lots to say these days. I was inconsolably bummed in 2004 when we re-elected “W”.
    Then I read her column on how to cure a chicken killing dog. I laughed hard and had my hope for the future of this nation restored.

  29. rafflaw,

    I am sick of holier than thou Christian politicians trying to shove their religion on other people–especially other people’s children.

    History? She don’t need no stinkin’ history. She’s got religion!

  30. As Gene H. noted in one of the threads on blasphemy laws, so-called “religion” means nothing other than the disguised attempt by one group of men and women to control the behavior of other men and women. “Freedom” has absolutely nothing to do with the totalitarian desire to limit, constrain, subdue, and punish others for any possible transgression against the official privileged orthodoxy. In fact, the term “religious freedom” itself constitutes an oxymoron.

    I can remember when the Eisenhower/McCarthy Republicans drove religious prayer into the public schools during my elementary school days in the 1950s. Our teachers told us that we didn’t have to recite the offensive new religious prepositional phrase — key offensive word: “under” — if we didn’t want to. Yet as George Orwell said about the mandatory Two Minutes Hate in 1984:

    “It was an act of self-hypnosis, a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise. … In the Two Minutes Hate he could not help sharing in the general delirium, but this subhuman chanting … filled him with horror. Of course he chanted with the rest; it was impossible to do otherwise. To dissemble your feelings, to control your face, to do what everyone else was doing, was an instinctive reaction.”

    I suggest that we just get this group self-hypnosis thing out into the open where all can see and memorize the real totalitarian issue: namely, non-thought as America’s highest educational aspiration. For my part I offer:

    The Boobie Pledge of Subservience
    (from Fernando Po, U.S.A., America’s post-linguistic retreat to Plato’s Cave)

    I offer my obedience
    I pledge undying love
    To any symbol formed to serve
    The needs of those above
    Who rightly feel that I deserve
    The fist inside the glove

    I stand and mumble publicly
    With fear upon my brow
    Lest some mistake my silence for
    An insufficient vow
    Let all who see and hear me know
    How easily I cow

    Authority need never fear
    I swear I know my place
    I pledge to take the gauntlet slapped
    Across my beaten face
    The Seizure Class knows I’ll accept
    Chastisement with good grace

    About such things as freedom, I
    Have not the slightest clue
    By birth and class it’s come to THEM
    I know that it’s THEIR due
    To hand me down instructions as
    To just what I must do

    And so I promise faithfully
    To play my scripted part
    Each day I’ll chant Two Minutes’ Hate
    To finish, from the start
    Until I love BIG BROTHER from
    The bottom of my heart

    I swear to do as I am told
    I will not think too deep
    I’ll huddle in conformity
    Just like the other sheep
    To take my whipping like a slave
    And utter not a peep

    I pledge to stand up every day
    Within my schoolroom class
    And mouth my mantras on demand
    Without backtalk or sass
    Until the program makes me a
    Compliant, docile ass

    I swear upon my loyalty
    To stuff my head with fat
    And place my nation “under” “GAWD!”
    Supinely prone and flat
    With me then going “down” “beneath”
    And “lower” “under” that

    I swear to go to Sunday School
    Upon the public dime
    Each morning in my homeroom class
    I’ll mouth my dreary rhyme
    And if I leave out words
    THEY can Indict me for my crime

    I pledge and vow and promise that
    I’ll swear from dusk to dawn
    And never fail to chant or moan;
    To never blink or yawn
    And with each cry of “GAWD IZ GRATE!”
    My own soul I will pawn

    The Papal bulls and fatwas tell
    Me all I need to know
    Which isn’t much because I see
    I’ve nowhere left to go
    I swear to never set my sails
    Against the winds that blow

    The Popes, Imams, and Rabbis tell
    Me what and where and how
    The master’s overseer tells
    Me which row I must plow;
    To toady, genuflect, and crawl;
    To grovel, scrape and bow

    I’ll train to “hurry up and wait”
    And do the Bulgar drills
    To stand at rapt attention dressed
    In military frills
    Just point me and I’ll drop the bomb
    No matter whom it kills

    I pledge and promise on my word
    To do the things I ought
    To work for lower wages
    So my labor comes to naught
    I swear to vote Republicrat
    To prove I can be bought

    The Party keeps us all at war
    Which makes us quake with fear
    And so we give up all those rights
    Our ancestors held dear
    Which saves our enemies the need
    To take them from us here

    But I won’t think of bygone days
    The past I’ll just rewrite
    I’ll call my history “old news”
    To make it pat and trite
    Which sleight of mind will help me keep
    Its lessons out of sight

    With this capitulation I
    Agree to sell my pride
    Before I even own it or
    It grows too big to slide
    Into the shabby, craven cave
    Wherein I must reside

    Michael Murry, “The Misfortune Teller,” Copyright © 2005

    There. I think that about covers it. Recite that, America. Do something interesting and creative for a change.

  31. Why do I get the feeling that she’s one of those people that will argue that “religious Freedom” means that you get to choose whichever Christian sect you want.

  32. How could anyone here say there is “no doubt” this woman is intelligent?? White guilt! There are plenty of dumb black, white, brown folks. Of course, all the Asians are smart. Just based on what was presented here I would put my money on this woman being dumber than a box of rocks.

  33. Religion that takes Christs name sullying his name is in no way connected to freedom. I teach the truth turning rteligons on their ear to correct them or destroy them. Before me religions will not stand.
    Sodomites were religious. Read Isaiah 1 KJV. The practices of the sodomites were religious. Ungodly religious people have hidden truth in a book in their own hands. 9 places in KJV says the heart figuratively is to be circumcised not the penis tip at all. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16 ;Jeremiah 4:4, Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15;Acts 7:51;Leviticus 26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3, 30, Islamic religious parallels the deceptions of the west. Truth has been hidden in a shroud of darkness.

    Religions echo Satan’s concept of hell had Adam, and Eve been allowed to stay in the garden partaking of the tree of life. Earth would have been an ever worsening hell with people not dying feeling pain misery and woe weeping. Wars trying to kill people unsuccessfully. living mountains of bodies grow for billions of years culminating with the expanding sun roasting people. The divine comedy with the air being burned off. People screaming with no sound and then then freeze. God is helpless.
    · in reply to JustHoseItOff (Show the comment)

    Religions encourage warring against many. zoosexual being one. Religions needs to change. All sex is one beast to another. People eat, drink, poop, piss, eukaryote cells, physiologically, biologically, scientifically, chemically, microscopically, fight flight, territorial instincts fences, no trespass signs. KJV, Ecc 3;18-20. Argument against the zoo have holes big enough to drive a galaxy thorough. The mentality against the zoosexual has the same spirit religious people had against Jesus.·

    Religions misinformed us about what the word defiled, abominable, perverted, and naughty meant fueling a persecuting fire. James:1 20 – 21, Pro: 6:12, Pro: 17: 4, Jer: 24,2, Sam: 17,28, zero about sex or nudity. Pro: 17:23, Pro: 15 4, Job 6 – 30, Pro: 12 -8, Isa: 30 -12, 1 Tim: 6 -5, Deut: 16 -19, Job 8 -3, Jer: 23 -36, Gal: 1 -7, Ecc:, 5 -8, Mic: 3 -9, Pro: 19 1, Pro: 4 24, Pro: 3, 32, Pro: 12; 22, Pro: 20 :10, Pro: 6;16, Heb: 12:15: Isa: 59 -3, Mat: 15 – 11, Mark, 7 – 15, Mark 13:14.

  34. People do not know what prayer is. You do not know what prayer is. Muslims do not know what prayer is. Prayer to be heard of men is not prayer. It is to get the praise of people. Have it obtain the praise of men is not of God. Who then can it be from? Satan is a terrorist.

  35. As my dear departed mother used to say about people “testifying” to others about their own religion: “If you’ve got something good, you don’t have to sell it. Other people will steal it from you.” The implied corollary to that wise aphorism, naturally, translates to: “If you’ve got to try to sell it to others, then you obviously have no confidence in it yourself.”

    As Charles Sanders Peirce put it:

    “The principle business of theologians is to make men feel the enormity of the slightest departure from the metaphysics they assume to be connected with the standard faith. … Theology, I am persuaded, derives its initial impulse from a religious wavering … As far as I can penetrate into the motive of theology, it begins in an effort of men who have joined the Christian army and sworn fidelity to it to silence the suggestions of their hearts that they renounce their allegiance. How far it is successful in that purpose I will not inquire. But nothing can be more unscientific that the attitude of minds who are trying to confirm themselves in early beliefs.”

    In view of the above observations, then, I would not use the word “intelligent” in reference to the erstwhile lady politico-theologian. Rather, “cunning,” “calculating,” and “cynical,” for example, seem far more appropriate and germane to me.

  36. I think Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes nailed the whole “official religion” thing when he said: “Controversy equalizes wise men and fools alike — and the fools know it.” So as the prayer-in-public-school charlatans love to say: “Teach the Controversy!”

    According to Louis Menand in The Metaphysical Club, Justice Holmes also had to disagree with his great friend William James’ religious views since “He thought that James had made scientific uncertainty an excuse for believing in an unseen world. ‘His wishes made him turn down the lights so as to give miracle a chance.'”

    Once the lady-fool-politico-theologian manages to turn down the lights of inquiry in the public schools, she can then proudly look at the intellectual darkness and call it a “miracle.” (Saves the city school district having to pay the electricity bill, too.)

  37. Had Moses seen Jesus when he walked on earth as a carpenter and teacher he would have recognized him as being God who he talked to on Mount Sinai.
    Taking Christ’s name in vain is not doing the works of him when people say they represent him.

    Gays are not the sodomites.
    On top of that people are supposed to judge themselves not condemning others.
    Condemners will ignore what is in the KJV intent on a militaristic point of view to do worse to whoever. That is a sodomistic way of thinking.
    Genesis 19:9 :And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
    The Sodomite is talking in the third person wanting to judge condemn whoever was in Lots house condemning Lot himself. Police are the ones who say stand back when entering a persons house forcibly. Luke 6:37: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
    I see the cub scouts and boy scouts as a stepping stone to the military. that is something to talk about. Whoever wants to kill already has a dead soul giving what the dead soul has. The KJV says do not condemn. God who we do not see is the judge,
    Matthew 7:2:For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
    Romans 14:10;King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
    That judgment seat will have light coming from it looking like fire to the wicked that oppress not being like Jesus is.
    Religions lied to you about Satan. Had he show up like religions depict would be a laughingstock of the world. People would mock him laughing him to scorn. He is the bright fallen angel Lucifer who fell like lightning given every good thing ,but Lucifer was not satisfied. He wanted more. Satan is in the body that dies getting what he thinks is more. Satan is battling for the mind. He wants to prove people can’t keep loving whoever as yourself.
    Had the mind of a child be unaltered by adults giving shame people would be walking nude not giving it a second thought. Self-hatred is slowly and subtly given over time. Words and body language make people call the things people make good calling the other parts junk or indecent or disgusting or obscene. That is not self-hatred? Those parts are part of you like the branches are a part of a tree. Call the parts of a human body those names you might as well past that name-on the whole body.
    Sodomites were religious. Read Isaiah 1 KJV. The practices of the sodomites were religious. Ungodly religious people have hidden truth in a book in their own hands. 9 places in KJV says the heart figuratively is to be circumcised not the penis tip at all. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16 ;Jeremiah 4:4, Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15;Acts 7:51;Leviticus 26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3, 30, Islamic religious parallels the deceptions of the west. Truth has been hidden in a shroud of darkness.
    Religions echo Satan’s concept of hell had Adam, and Eve been allowed to stay in the garden partaking of the tree of life. Earth would have been an ever worsening hell with people not dying feeling pain misery and woe weeping. Wars trying to kill people unsuccessfully. living mountains of bodies grow for billions of years culminating with the expanding sun roasting people. The divine comedy with the air being burned off. People screaming with no sound and then then freeze. God is helpless.
    You have not the slightest inkling about Satan. I understands him and God perfectly. Satan is a deceiving, hateful, conniving, froward, high minded liar loving with dissimulation hatting all that God made. He is a murderer in war having people think that things that go boom killing in any way having a person think it saves them. He tries to make each side think they are right silently out of sight watching souls two by two going into his hidden jail that is not hidden from my spiritual eyes.
    Religions lied to you about Satan. Had he show up like religions depict would be a laughingstock of the world. People would mock him laughing him to scorn. He is the bright fallen angel Lucifer who fell like lightning given every good thing, but Lucifer was not satisfied. He wanted more. Satan is in the body that dies getting what he thinks is more. Satan is battling for the mind. He wants to prove people can’t keep loving whoever as yourself.
    Had the mind of a child be unaltered by adults giving shame people would be walking nude not giving it a second thought. Self-hatred is slowly and subtly given over time. Words and body language make people call the things people make good calling the other parts junk or indecent or disgusting or obscene. That is not self-hatred? Those parts are part of you like the branches are a part of a tree. Call the parts of a human body those names you might as well past that name-on the whole body. •
    Religion maintains with a stiff neck that nudity is indecent with God hatting it. KJV says;1 Corinthians: 11, 14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. Hair is covering to a woman. Man with long hair is in the form of a question. That means that the man and woman can have long hair having it as a covering, but what have religons taught influensing oppresive indesency
    .Armageddon is described in Rev, 20, KJV. That Battle is not man against man.

    Matthew 24 >>
    King James Bible
    15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,

    Mark 13:14 : But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.
    That will be Satan looking like a bright angel trying to fool people into thinking he is God.
    The devil does not look like religions depict in art.
    Sodomites were religious. Read Isaiah 1 KJV. The practices of the sodomites were religious. Ungodly religious people have hidden truth in a book in their own hands. 9 places in KJV says the heart figuratively is to be circumcised not the penis tip at all. Deuteronomy 30:6, Deuteronomy 10:16 ;Jeremiah 4:4, Jeremiah 9:26; Colossians 2:11-15;Acts 7:51;Leviticus 26:41;Romans 2:29, Romans 3, 30, Islamic religious parallels the deceptions of the west. Truth has been hidden in a shroud of darkness.
    Religions echo Satan’s concept of hell had Adam, and Eve been allowed to stay in the garden partaking of the tree of life. Earth would have been an ever worsening hell with people not dying feeling pain misery and woe weeping. Wars trying to kill people unsuccessfully. Living mountains of bodies grow for billions of years culminating with the expanding sun roasting people. The divine comedy with the air being burned off. People screaming with no sound and then then freeze. God is helpless.
    • Hell is Gods glory to evil darkness. People choose who they want to serve. Do evil arresting, accusing, condemning, being a malicious conniving hateful liar thinking you are crafty to hurt people or hoarding riches thinking it will save you, and warring putting people down persecuting them, and putting people in hand cuffs, and jailing, stoning, hanging them thinking that doing that, and making laws against them being merciless makes you better will see Gods light not as a friendly thing = hell.

    Religions encourage warring against many. zoosexual being one. Religions needs to change. All sex is one beast to another. People eat, drink, poop, piss, eukaryote cells, physiologically, biologically, scientifically, chemically, microscopically, fight flight, territorial instincts fences, no trespass signs. KJV, Ecc 3;18-20. Argument against the zoo have holes big enough to drive a galaxy thorough. The mentality against the zoosexual has the same spirit religious people had against Jesus.

    Religions misinformed us about what the word defiled, abominable, perverted, and naughty meant fueling a persecuting fire. James:1 20 – 21, Pro: 6:12, Pro: 17: 4, Jer: 24,2, Sam: 17,28, zero about sex or nudity. Pro: 17:23, Pro: 15 4, Job 6 – 30, Pro: 12 -8, Isa: 30 -12, 1 Tim: 6 -5, Deut: 16 -19, Job 8 -3, Jer: 23 -36, Gal: 1 -7, Ecc:, 5 -8, Mic: 3 -9, Pro: 19 1, Pro: 4 24, Pro: 3, 32, Pro: 12; 22, Pro: 20 :10, Pro: 6;16, Heb: 12:15: Isa: 59 -3, Mat: 15 – 11, Mark, 7 – 15, Mark 13:14.

    Religions encourage warring against many, zoosexual being one. Religions needs to change. All sex is one beast to another. People eat, drink, poop, piss, eukaryote cells, physiologically, biologically, scientifically, chemically, microscopically, fight flight, territorial instincts fences, no trespass signs. KJV, Ecc 3;18-20. Argument against the zoo have holes big enough to drive a galaxy thorough. The mentality against the zoosexual has the same spirit religious people had against Jesus.
    Religions misinformed us about what the word defiled, abominable, perverted, and naughty meant fueling a persecuting fire. James:1 20 – 21, Pro: 6:12, Pro: 17: 4, Jer: 24,2, Sam: 17,28, zero about sex or nudity. Pro: 17:23, Pro: 15 4, Job 6 – 30, Pro: 12 -8, Isa: 30 -12, 1 Tim: 6 -5, Deut: 16 -19, Job 8 -3, Jer: 23 -36, Gal: 1 -7, Ecc:, 5 -8, Mic: 3 -9, Pro: 19 1, Pro: 4 24, Pro: 3, 32, Pro: 12; 22, Pro: 20 :10, Pro: 6;16, Heb: 12:15: Isa: 59 -3, Mat: 15 – 11, Mark, 7 – 15, Mark 13:14.

  38. another tax year has passed, and GOD was given nothing again. GOD owns every tax, and the tax agents house, home, or cave. the church claims to give the money to GOD. thee antichrists also claimed to know the signs…

    …so why does any body claim to have the right to claim patent any genes. is it leave- ” I ” !

    …if any mormon had taken office of the president, all the other antichrists doors woould have been kicked in, and all forced to accept the mormon ways. then the world would have really been fucked!

    …why do the antichrists still tell people they know the way to GOD when THE HOLY BIBLE SAYS that EWE will hear THE GOSPEL from GODS OWN MOUTH, all over the world, in the blink of MY EYE.

  39. The gospel is in my mouth. People without the Lord are fixating on the signs not on getting ready by knowing Jesus so they can do the good works of him. People obsessing on the signs or what they think are the signs have scared devils in them.

  40. the whirld will come to know a great baptism.

    Hmmmm!

    it is sew easy that a child will do it.
    … go into a small room, close the door, pray for giveness everytime, so GOD will hear what you really have to say for speaking against GOD…

    …the world will be covered in filth and false teachings…

    … nothing sacred will ever hit the ground… (so I suggest they eat and drink all that they have ate and drank unworthly from GOD)…

    …satan will come to know a certain doom.

    … why did JESUS allow JOHN to baptize Him…

    …(Jesus would never need to be baptized)…

    …sew why did JESUS do it.

    … scentsTHE BIBLE is writ in for ever in trans-late-shuns people will wonder what the antichrist will say next to avoid the knashing teeth of eternal pain!

    … Jesus did know to be careful of what He taught His disciples…

    … the church will be told to speak of the true baptism that Jesus spoke of…

    … In that small room they will ask for permission to make a movement…

    … the antichrist have chosen to crown themselves.

  41. The bible has been contorted more than you know by religions. They act like a little angel hovering with wings being a devious mastermind behind all war. It is the lie about hell that is at the hub of all the lies. Other lies are like spokes to the wheel of death. Gods light is hell to evil. Make hell a place makes lightless people think they give wrath. It makes people in anger say burn in hell. That is Satan fearing Gods light.

  42. A lot of comments mocking Rep. Jackson. Those mocking comments are more a sign of the times, than a comment about the vision and truth of Rep. Jackson’s legislation. The truth is that it was ok to read the Bible and pray in the public schools until the Supreme Court decision of 1963 as the article states (although there were a few cases leading up to that point). You see the so-called Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was understood, until 1947, to mean that the federal government could not support nor be identified with a particular religious denomination. Tax money could not go to support one particular religion, and the state could not require by law identification with or membership in a particular body as an essential part of being a citizen as was the case in 18th century Great Britain. Loyalty to the King or Queen of England affirmed and required loyalty to the Church of England because, since King Henry VIII, the King or Queen of England was the head of the Church of England as well. By the end of the 17th century, a law was passed that the King or Queen of England could not be a Roman Catholic because that was understood to be a conflict of interest.

    The above is the background of why the the First Amendment was included in our Constitution. It was not to prevent unbelievers from ever having to hear a word of Scripture or a prayer in a school or anywhere else, or, as the atheists would wish, never even to hear the word “God” used in any public venue or to appear on our currency.

    Thus, I am explaining to the uninformed mockers who have commented on this blog (notice I have diplomatically used the word “uninformed” instead of “ignorant”) that the Lord’s Prayer expressed in public, in school or anyplace else, is consistent with the generic use of the concept or idea of God of the writers of the Constitution. The God of the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament was the God at the founding of this country. We were not founded by the “free thinking,” radical, atheistic types of people of the French Revolution with a couple of notable exceptions. The thought of supplanting, suppressing, or stifling public as well as private expressions of faith in the God of the Holy Bible was never entertained and is un-American and spiritually and ethically repulsive to me, and to such dissimilar individuals as Sam Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Witherspoon.

    I respond to the mockers by mocking them. Stand on your head boys and girls, because if you look at life upside down from what you are doing right now, you will actually be approaching a more real perspective. Bye for now godless ones. Say a few prayers to Bo Diddly, Jay Z, or Karl Marx. I’m sure you’ll find a lot of peace of mind.

  43. jackwisdom:

    I checked your blog, but of course it contains no entries or even your real name. What a surprise. Your rather spotty knowledge of constitutional history is an appropriate companion to Ms. Jackson’s somewhat spotty commitment to intellectual honesty. Both of you are examples of the importance of freedom of religion and of the remedy of injunction. It is unfortunate, however, that should this laughable bill be enacted (a real possibility in Louisiana), it will be declared facially unconstitutional in short order, and neither you nor Ms. Jackson will have a clue how that decision was reached. Mockery is a sad substitute for knowledge, but I guess you have to go with what you’ve got.

  44. Perhaps Ms. Jackson and her Louisiana legislative colleagues are unware that the Louisiana Supreme Court in Herold v. Parish Board of School Directors in 1915 declared school sponsored and/or mandated Bible reading and prayer unconstitutional! Suggest they look it up and read that decision.

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