Confederate Memorial in Austin

While on my way to a separation of church and state rally at the capitol, I happened to pass by the monument on the left. It’s a monument to the Confederate dead. There are many similar monuments throughout Texas.

I paused to read the inscription:

DIED
FOR STATES RIGHTS GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION
THE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH, ANIMATED BY THE SPIRIT OF 1776, TO PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS, WITHDREW FROM THE FEDERAL COMPACT IN 1861. THE NORTH RESORTED TO COERCION.
THE SOUTH, AGAINST OVERWHELMING NUMBERS AND RESOURCES,
FOUGHT UNTIL EXHAUSTED.
DURING THE WAR THERE WERE TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN ENGAGEMENTS.
IN EIGHTEEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO OF THESE, AT LEAST ONE REGIMENT TOOK PART.
NUMBER OF MEN ENLISTED:
CONFEDERATE ARMIES 600,000; FEDERAL ARMIES 2,859,132
LOSSES FROM ALL CAUSES:
CONFEDERATE, 437,000; FEDERAL, 485,216

“FOR STATES RIGHTS GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION?” That sentence made me laugh out loud. Is there a state’s right to slavery in the Constitution that I am unaware of?

Whom do they think they’re kidding? Only themselves.

-David Drumm (Nal)

245 thoughts on “Confederate Memorial in Austin”

  1. Actually, everyone on here has IGNORED that Lincoln is a war criminal 6 times. Observer is unable to find any websites where he can copy and paste bullshit Lincoln cultist excerpts to my above list of Lincoln atrocities. That’s why it goes ignored.

  2. Larry-

    You have allowed Abraham Lincoln to deport Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio a grand total of six times. Enough is enough. Let the poor fellow rest in peace.

  3. Observer CONTINUALLY ignores the following: [because he cannot refute it]

    Observer, if Lincoln was the SAINT you think he was, why did Lincoln shut down 300 NORTHERN newspapers and imprison thousands of NORTHERN political opponents???????

    I see NO ONE will address Lincoln’s crimes nor debunk that Lincoln did the following:

    1. Suspension of Habeas Corpus throughout his entire presidency
    2. Had his military imprison tens of thousands of NORTHERN political critics and opponents without due process
    3. Censored all telegraph communication
    4. Shut down over 300 opposition newspapers
    5. Imprisoned dozens of duly elected officials of the state of Maryland
    6. Participated in the rigging of Northern elections
    7. Waged war without the consent of Congress
    8. Illegally created a new state [West Virginia]
    9. Deported the most outspoken member of the Democratic opposition, Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio

  4. The wiki article that Larry quoted is very good. The link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation

    It describes the slaves who were freed on the very day it was signed:

    “It is common to encounter a claim that the Emancipation Proclamation did not immediately free a single slave. As a result of the Proclamation, many slaves were freed during the course of the war, beginning with the day it took effect. Eyewitness accounts at places such as Hilton Head, South Carolina,[17] and Port Royal, South Carolina,[16] record celebrations on January 1 as thousands of blacks were informed of their new legal status of freedom.

    “Estimates of the number of slaves freed immediately by the Emancipation Proclamation are uncertain. One contemporary estimate put the ‘contraband’ population of Union-occupied North Carolina at 10,000, and the Sea Islands of South Carolina also had a substantial population. Those 20,000 slaves were freed immediately by the Emancipation Proclamation.”[3] This Union-occupied zone where freedom began at once included parts of eastern North Carolina, the Mississippi Valley, northern Alabama, the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, a large part of Arkansas, and the Sea Islands of Georgia and South Carolina[18]. Although some counties of Union-occupied Virginia were exempted from the Proclamation, the lower Shenandoah Valley, and the area around Alexandria were covered.[3]

    “Booker T. Washington, as a boy of 9 in Virginia, remembered the day in early 1865:[19]

    ‘As the great day drew nearer, there was more singing in the slave quarters than usual. It was bolder, had more ring, and lasted later into the night. Most of the verses of the plantation songs had some reference to freedom…. Some man who seemed to be a stranger (a United States officer, I presume) made a little speech and then read a rather long paper—the Emancipation Proclamation, I think. After the reading we were told that we were all free, and could go when and where we pleased. My mother, who was standing by my side, leaned over and kissed her children, while tears of joy ran down her cheeks. She explained to us what it all meant, that this was the day for which she had been so long praying, but fearing that she would never live to see.’

    “The Emancipation took place without violence by masters or ex-slaves. The proclamation represented a shift in the war objectives of the North—reuniting the nation was no longer the only goal. It represented a major step toward the ultimate abolition of slavery in the United States and a ‘new birth of freedom’.

    “Runaway slaves who had escaped to Union lines had previously been held by the Union Army as “contraband of war” under the Confiscation Acts; when the proclamation took effect, they were told at midnight that they were free to leave. The Sea Islands off the coast of Georgia had been occupied by the Union Navy earlier in the war. The whites had fled to the mainland while the blacks stayed. An early program of Reconstruction was set up for the former slaves, including schools and training. Naval officers read the proclamation and told them they were free.”

  5. Text of the Preliminary Proclamation, September 22, 1862
    By the President of the United States of America.

    A Proclamation.

    I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy thereof, do hereby proclaim and declare that hereafter, as heretofore, the war will be prosecuted for the object of practically restoring the constitutional relation between the United States, and each of the States, and the people thereof, in which States that relation is, or may be, suspended or disturbed.

    That it is my purpose, upon the next meeting of Congress to again recommend the adoption of a practical measure tendering pecuniary aid to the free acceptance or rejection of all slave States, so called, the people whereof may not then be in rebellion against the United States and which States may then have voluntarily adopted, or thereafter may voluntarily adopt, immediate or gradual abolition of slavery within their respective limits; and that the effort to colonize persons of African descent, with their consent, upon this continent, or elsewhere, with the previously obtained consent of the Governments existing there, will be continued.

    That on the first day of January in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

    That the executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States, and part of States, if any, in which the people thereof respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof shall, on that day be, in good faith represented in the Congress of the United States, by members chosen thereto, at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against the United States.

    That attention is hereby called to an Act of Congress entitled “An Act to make an additional Article of War” approved March 13, 1862, and which act is in the words and figure following:

    “Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That hereafter the following shall be promulgated as an additional article of war for the government of the army of the United States, and shall be obeyed and observed as such:

    “Article-All officers or persons in the military or naval service of the United States are prohibited from employing any of the forces under their respective commands for the purpose of returning fugitives from service or labor, who may have escaped from any persons to whom such service or labor is claimed to be due, and any officer who shall be found guilty by a court martial of violating this article shall be dismissed from the service.

    “Sec.2. And be it further enacted, That this act shall take effect from and after its passage.”

    Also to the ninth and tenth sections of an act entitled “An Act to suppress Insurrection, to punish Treason and Rebellion, to seize and confiscate property of rebels, and for other purposes,” approved July 17, 1862, and which sections are in the words and figures following:

    “Sec.9. And be it further enacted, That all slaves of persons who shall hereafter be engaged in rebellion against the government of the United States, or who shall in any way give aid or comfort thereto, escaping from such persons and taking refuge within the lines of the army; and all slaves captured from such persons or deserted by them and coming under the control of the government of the United States; and all slaves of such persons found on (or) being within any place occupied by rebel forces and afterwards occupied by the forces of the United States, shall be deemed captives of war, and shall be forever free of their servitude and not again held as slaves.

    “Sec.10. And be it further enacted, That no slave escaping into any State, Territory, or the District of Columbia, from any other State, shall be delivered up, or in any way impeded or hindered of his liberty, except for crime, or some offense against the laws, unless the person claiming said fugitive shall first make oath that the person to whom the labor or service of such fugitive is alleged to be due is his lawful owner, and has not borne arms against the United States in the present rebellion, nor in any way given aid and comfort thereto; and no person engaged in the military or naval service of the United States shall, under any pretense whatever, assume to decide on the validity of the claim of any person to the service or labor of any other person, or surrender up any such person to the claimant, on pain of being dismissed from the service.”

    And I do hereby enjoin upon and order all persons engaged in the military and naval service of the United States to observe, obey, and enforce, within their respective spheres of service, the act, and sections above recited.

    And the executive will in due time recommend that all citizens of the United States who shall have remained loyal thereto throughout the rebellion, shall (upon the restoration of the constitutional relation between the United States, and their respective States, and people, if that relation shall have been suspended or disturbed) be compensated for all losses by acts of the United States, including the loss of slaves.

    In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

    Done at the City of Washington this twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord, one thousand, eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.

    [Signed:] Abraham Lincoln By the President

    [Signed:] William H. Seward Secretary of State

  6. Larry is hopelessly confused about the Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation.

    Lincoln stated that the slaves in the areas of confederate control would be freed, unless those areas returned to Union control in 100 days. As he expected, those areas did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863, so he issued the final Emancipation Proclamation freeing all slaves in those areas.

    Larry asks “How are you FREE if you must RETURN TO UNION CONTROL???”

    Larry has misread the Proclamation. The Preliminary Proclamation referred to areas of confederate control, that is, “any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States,” returning to Union control, not to slaves being put in Union control. Lincoln said that all slaves in the designated areas occupied by the rebels would be freed by January 1st, unless the rebels abandoned the war and returned to Union control.

    If they had done so, the Proclamation would not have been issued. So Lincoln gave them a chance.

    Here are the exact words: “[On January 1, 1863] all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.”
    So, if an area was still in rebellion on January 1st, the slaves in that area would be “forever free.” If, on the other hand, the areas had ended their rebellion, then the Proclamation would not apply.

    The rebellion continued.

    The slaves were freed.

    The slaves were indeed freed by the Emancipation Proclamation, by the hundreds of thousands as the war wore on.

  7. Larry, November 12, 2010 at 3:18 am, when he should have been getting some sleep, said, and I quote “The New Englanders were going to secede in 1814 but chose not to….” and now says that they “planned to secede….”

    If they “were going to secede in 1918,” or if they “planned to secede,” as Larry says, it was a lot more than a “discussion.”

    But both the statements, in fact, are false, since the New England delegates were never “going to” secede and never “planned” to secede, as Larry’s own link makes clear, so it is ridiculous to draw any meaningful inference or conclusion from the fact that they did not secede.

    Because they neither planned to secede nor were going to secede, they could never have “decided not to secede.”

    I wrote that the “plan to secede” is historical myth, and I stand by it.

    The historical fact is that they planned and decided to propose lawful amendments to the Constitution, not unlawful secession.

  8. Was your mother scared by a Lincoln when pregnant with you Larry? And if so, why aren’t you upset about Henry Ford accepting the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest honor Nazi Germany could bestow a foreign citizen?

    CLARIFICATION: Those are rhetorical questions.

  9. Now you are interchanging terminology to suit your misinformation. I said they planned to secede—that can also be interpreted as “discussed”. Why discuss something if it’s not a plan??? But YOU, being the colossal misinformationist that you are, interject the word “PROPOSED” into it to make it appear like I used the word PROPOSED. I NEVER did. In fact, I said above that they DECIDED NOT TO SECEDE and gave the reasons why, but that doesnt stop you from being dishonest. The link I gave said this in the FIRST sentence.

    “The Hartford Convention was an event spanning from December 15, 1814–January 4, 1815 in the United States during the War of 1812 in which New England’s opposition to the war reached the point where secession from the United States was discussed”

    and it says:

    “Secession was again mentioned in 1814–1815; all but one leading Federalist newspaper in New England supported a plan to expel the western states from the Union. Otis, the key leader of the Convention, blocked radical proposals like seizing the Federal customs house, impounding federal funds, or declaring neutrality. Otis thought the Madison administration was near collapse and that unless conservatives like himself and the other delegates took charge, the radical secessionists might take power.”

    I said they planned to secede—I NEVER said they PROPOSED it. That was YOUR word. To PROPOSE something means you are attempting to get permission. You dont get permission to secede if it is already granted as an option.

    “He said the Emancipation Proclamation freed no slaves, but that is false since hundreds of thousands of slaves were freed as the Union Army advanced.”

    Oh really???? Slaves were FREED??? What year were they freed???? 1863??? 1862?????? Then why did the war CONTINUE until 1865 if it was about FREEING SLAVES?????? I would LOVE an answer to that? You said the war was about slavery and that was the ONLY issue. If Lincoln could free slaves with an executive order, why didnt he issue this order 3 days after taking office and AVOID a war???

    Even the wikipedia page says this:

    “On September 22, 1862, Lincoln announced that he would issue a formal emancipation of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863”——-key words “THAT DID NOT RETURN TO UNION CONTROL”—-meaning STILL NOT FREE. That was the reason for me saying he freed NO slaves. Even being freed from the South and put in UNION control makes them STILL NOT FREE. Get it now???? How are you FREE if you must RETURN TO UNION CONTROL??? Tell me something Observer, if you are UNDER CONTROL of someone, are you FREE??

    Observer—-how much longer will you continue to IGNORE these two things????:

    Observer, if Lincoln was the SAINT you think he was, why did Lincoln shut down 300 NORTHERN newspapers and imprison thousands of NORTHERN political opponents???????

    I see NO ONE will address Lincoln’s crimes nor debunk that Lincoln did the following:

    1. Suspension of Habeas Corpus throughout his entire presidency
    2. Had his military imprison tens of thousands of NORTHERN political critics and opponents without due process
    3. Censored all telegraph communication
    4. Shut down over 300 opposition newspapers
    5. Imprisoned dozens of duly elected officials of the state of Maryland
    6. Participated in the rigging of Northern elections
    7. Waged war without the consent of Congress
    8. Illegally created a new state [West Virginia]
    9. Deported the most outspoken member of the Democratic opposition, Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio

  10. Observer,

    While Larry proper may be a lost cause, combating ignorance is never wasted effort as you may dissuade others from propagating Larry’s faulty memes to others like an infection.

    So congratulations on being an effective antibody.

    We as a society (and as a species) need more/better antibodies and fewer pathogens of ignorance.

  11. Larry said “Observer, here’s the link where you can read about the New England plan to secede. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_convention You will see that the RIGHT to secede was NEVER questioned.”

    Larry should go to that link and actually read it. He claims that it is about a “plan to secede,” but the article clearly states that “no such resolution was adopted at the convention.”

    Instead, the Convention recommended amendments to the Constitution. It is a historical myth that the Hartford Convention proposed secession.

    So Larry is caught up in another lie about history. Not the first, not the last.

    Larry also said “New Englanders were going to secede in 1814. NO ONE questioned their RIGHT to. Jefferson made it CLEAR states can secede. What’s your response????”

    The response is pretty clear by now. Although the subject of secession was “discussed,” they were not going to secede in 1814, and never proposed any language concerning secession, so no one raised any question about their right or lack of right to do so, because they never proposed to secede.

    To repeat, not even one of the proposals of the Hartford Convention mentioned secession.

    That is the historical fact.

    The “plan to secede” is historical myth.

    Larry cannot even read and comprehend his own sources. Why should any more time be wasted on him?

    So, one more time. Larry is wrong,

    Larry keeps telling himself this misinformation over and over again until he actually believes it. He said the north had more slaves than the south, but that statement is false, as demonstrated by census totals above. He said the Emancipation Proclamation freed no slaves, but that is false since hundreds of thousands of slaves were freed as the Union Army advanced. He said falsely that Lincoln “loved” slavery or was “pro-slavery,” but never provided any quotations or actions in support of this bizarre proposition, and never responded to the long list of statements and actions by Lincoln in opposition to slavery.

    Larry was told that 180,000 African Americans freed by the Proclamation fought for the Union. He demonstrated his woeful ignorance by implying that non-citizens could not serve in the military. He asked for a link, got one, but never responded to the facts or corrected his misinformation.

    Why should anyone have to answer his tendentious “questions” when he cannot even comprehend the answers that are given?

    Wiki says:

    “The convention ended with a report and resolutions, signed by the delegates present, and adopted on the day before final adjournment. The report said that New England had a ‘duty’ to assert its authority over unconstitutional infringements on its sovereignty — a doctrine that echoed the policy of Jefferson and Madison in 1798 (in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions), and which would later reappear in a different context as ‘nullification.’

    “The Hartford Convention’s final report proposed several amendments to the US Constitution. These attempted to combat the policies of the ruling Republicans by:

    1. Prohibiting any trade embargo lasting over 60 days;
    2. Requiring a two-thirds Congressional majority for declaration of offensive war, admission of a new state, or interdiction of foreign commerce;
    3. Removing the three-fifths representation advantage of the South;
    4. Limiting future Presidents to one term;
    5. Requiring each President to be from a different state than his predecessor. (This provision was aimed directly at the ruling Virginia Dynasty.)

    “The Democratic-Republican Congress would never have recommended any of New England’s proposals for ratification. Hartford delegates intended for them to embarrass the President and the Republicans in Congress—and also to serve as a basis for negotiations between New England and the rest of the country.

    “Some delegates may have been in favor of New England’s secession from the United States, and forming an independent republic, though no such resolution was adopted at the convention. Historian Samuel Eliot Morison rejected the notion that Hartford was an attempt to take New England out of the Union and give treasonous aid and comfort to Britain. Morison wrote, ‘Democratic politicians, seeking a foil to their own mismanagement of the war and to discredit the still formidable Federalist party, caressed and fed this infant myth until it became so tough and lusty as to defy both solemn denials and documentary proof.'”

    Like Larry, they “caressed and fed this infant myth until it became so tough and lusty as to defy both solemn denials and documentary proof.”

    Enough time has been wasted on Larry and his ignorance by now.

  12. Larry:

    “You will see that the RIGHT to secede was NEVER questioned.”

    but was it a good idea? There is benefit to a national government as your wiki link implies.

  13. Larry:

    can you remind me what your original thought was on all of this?
    Is it states rights or legality of secession or both?

  14. Observer, if Lincoln was the SAINT you think he was, why did Lincoln shut down 300 NORTHERN newspapers and imprison thousands of NORTHERN political opponents???????
    [Ive asked this once. It was IGNORED]

    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?????????????????????????????????

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