Submitted by Elaine Magliaro, Guest Blogger
The Mississippi Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans has come up with an idea for celebrating the 150th anniversary of the Civil War—known to some as the “War between the States.” The veterans group has proposed that the state of
Mississippi issue a series of specialty license plates commemorating the war. These specialty plates, planned for the years 2011 through 2015, would each have a different design.
What has some people upset is the specialty license plate slated for the year 2014, which would honor General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Forrest, a native of Tennessee, is considered by some to have been a military genius. Others feel differently about Forrest who is “reviled” by some for allegedly having lead a massacre of Black Union troops at Fort Pillow in his home state in 1864. It should be noted that Forrest also served as the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
According to ABC News, the NAACP is planning to send a letter to Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour requesting “that he publicly denounce the license plate and use his office to prevent it from being issued.” Derrick Jackson, president of the Mississippi state NAACP, said of Forrest: “He should be viewed in the same light that we view Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. The state of Mississippi should deny any vanity tags which would highlight racial hatred in this state.”
Although many historians agree that Nathan Bedford Forrest distanced himself from the KKK later in his life, some believe “it was too little too late because the Klan had already turned violent before Forrest left.”
Sources
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/david-barton-tax-records-gop-history_n_863758.html
Jeb, I don’t believe anyone has said slaves were killed willy-nilly. You are correct in that they were far too valuable as property. However, the evil was that a slave could be killed without fear of any reprisal whatsoever from the law. A slave who acted out against a master for a slight infraction had reason to fear for his or her life. That mind-set extended on in to modern times with lynchings and murders. The murderers of Emmett Till in Money, MS were acquitted in a matter of minutes. One of the jurors later said they would not have been in the jury room as long as they were, except they took time to drink a bottle of soda pop. His killers later said they were more concerned they might be caught stealing that fan from the cotton gin (used to weight down the body) than they were of being punished for the murder. I remember hearing jokes after that murder. Things like, “Ain’t that just like a n****r. Stealing more chain than he can swim with.”
It is that evil mind set that is still pervasive in some quarters even today. Those guys in Texas who dragged James Byrd, Jr. to his death did not really believe they would be convicted of anything.
Brent:
did you know that some skilled slaves were hired out by their owners and allowed to keep a good portion of their earnings?
The idea that slaves were killed willy nilly is pure wishful thinking. That would be the equivalent today of a farmer blowing up his combine or tractor.
With that being said, slavery was a damnable evil. We should have ended it ourselves without help from the Yankees.
G’ight Brent. Good luck as you match wits with a fish tomorrow.
That’s funny.
Considering any singular regular poster here knows more and has read more history than your entire racist organization combined, redneck.
But I do suppose you providing a bad example in the form of argument ad ignorantium has educational value.
Well, there might be that liberal fallacy perpetuated by the perpetually and perceptually ignorant right wing.
You know, the one that says the media are dominated by the liberals and that George Soros funds liberal stuff. Actually, Mr. Soros does fund some liberal causes, but not on the same scale as the Koch crime family.
There is not enough gold in Fort Knox to fund all the things the Reich wing claims Mr. Soros is funding.
It is almost funny to see the spelling, grammar and fact challenged Brent try to argue with people who have, you know, an education. But really, it is more pathetic and sad than truly humorous.
will have to continue the truth in history for liberals who have neglected to learn american history 101, tommorrow night as i have a offshore fishing trip scheduled in the am. goodnight all.
Revisionist Redneck Zombie Worshiper,
That word, “fallacy”. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Much like actual law, you obviously don’t know a fallacy either, not only when they bite you on the ass as they have consistently and persistently since you started bloviating here, but you don’t even know a fallacy when it comes out of your own mouth. You have become the lies you tell your life. You are one giant error. A walking fallacy. You have failed the basic test to know yourself.
Run along now, hateful lil’ boy.
This is an adult playground.
Weak, Brent, weak.
I know what u mean scribe, I need a shovel to wade through some of the bs on here. Try aspirin because i see this brainwashing u have endured may take many years to rectify.But the scv will always leave the light on for the liberal fallicy fringe movement.
I neglected to mention the Tu Quoque Fallacy.
Or argumentum ad ignorantiam and appeals to authority fallacies.
OS,
Well said. We know how nice those poor slave owners were.
scribe here is the truth
The South by far, had the better leadership and commanders. One of the best, perhaps the best in Lee’s own words was Nathan Bedford Forrest. This was a man who confounded his enemies time after time, winning in battles and skirmishes when he was terribly outnumbered and outgunned. Few could match the strategic mind of Forrest and these were Lee’s words when asked who he considered the BEST commander of the entire civil war.”After the Civil War Confederate General Robert E. Lee was asked his opinion as to who was the greatest commander of the war. His response was said to have been without hesitation, “A man I have never met, sir. His name is Forrest.” In a conversation after the war, Union General Sherman said essentially the same thing, “After all, I think Forrest was the most remarkable man our Civil War produced on either side.” Heady compliments from two of the greatest minds that waged war against each other.
killers are made by others actions sir. When the yankee terrorists invaded an raped an burned an killed folks childern. it made some killers of the evil! god bless them.
All in one fell swoop. We are amazed that in one fell swoop, so many logical fallacies converged into a constellation of not only wrong, but very strange as well.
Lets see now. We have a slippery slope fallacy, combined with the weak analogy fallacy. Throw in a straw man argument along with begging the question and circular reasoning.
My head hurts from wading through this huge pile of that famous barnyard product.
budda that is the law without the lies added. loook it up an let it bite u on the ass. to use scribes silly logic lets have a look at it his comment
“So what if some blacks fought for the CSA”? becuase it proves they where fighting the evils of the yankees themselves! an some was 50,000. “and so what if a comparative handful of blacks owned slaves themselves”.because it disproves the lie that only the southern whites did! “That is the old false equivalence fallacy”. false? u just admitted it! “Thousands of white landowners owed slaves, sold them, bought them, raped them and killed them if they got out of line.”so what. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? slavery was an accepted evil from the beginnings of this countrys original 13 colonies an every country an race on earth!” A tradition that has lasted into modern times with the scourge of lynching.” lynching has occured everywhere in america. white men have been lynched indians have been lynched! the point? may i again point out to you, that slavery was practiced in the north for a long time as well. an i can tell u actually believe every slaveowner that ever existed in this world abused there slaves, not true! a slave was very expensive, most were only abused when they tried to escape. a slave cost as much as 20,000 bucks in 1860. a hefty sum. again why do u continue to act as if the south is the only place that has ever practiced slavery? it has been done by the whole world. black africans even practised slavery. an slavery is not the cause of the war of northern agression in lincolns own WORDS! do u see me an others raisng hell at the romans who enslaved my ancestors!!!! NO. again do u some real reaserch on the causes of the war
Forrest was a mean SOB, and General Lee commented on that. He appreciated Forrest’s military skill, but thought he was at heart just a man who enjoyed killing. Men like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were southern gentlemen, for whom honor was more than just a word. Forrest, not so much.
I do recommend Shelby Foote’s brilliant history of the Civil War, although three thousand pages of rather dense text might be a bit too much for our separatist types, given their demonstrated literacy skills. So far, the only error-free spelling and grammar he has posted is that which he copied and pasted.
OS,
Don’t start bringing facts into this novel written by Mr. Waller.
general forrest was never in the klan, seems even i have fell victem of believing nonsense he testified before congress an here is the book number
We are often told that he was not only a member of the Klu Klux Klan (KKK) but its first Grand Wizard, but there is no real proof of this and he should not be denounced solely on the basis of unproven accusations. Forrest himself denied, in testimony before Congress, of being a member of that organization (40th Congress, House of Representatives, Executive Documents No. 1, Report of the Secretary of War, Chapter X, Page 193).
What the Buddha said. A semi-literate rural Mississippi crowd lecturing graduates of some of the best law schools on the law. Laughable if it were not so sad.
So what if some blacks fought for the CSA, and so what if a comparative handful of blacks owned slaves themselves. That is the old false equivalence fallacy. Thousands of white landowners owed slaves, sold them, bought them, raped them and killed them if they got out of line. A tradition that has lasted into modern times with the scourge of lynching.
The stupid; it burns.
Buddha,
That’s the one. If you ever want to get really depressed, sometime watch the introductions to The Three Stooges Cartoons. If that’s not an example of “I should have managed my money better.” I don’t know what is.
BTW, I finally got around to giving Dan Simmons another go. Hyperion is a MUCH better book than The Terror.