Arizona legislators are again wading into national politics. With the controversial immigration bill moving toward the Supreme Court, House has passed a bill that would require all presidential candidates to prove they were born in the U.S. by producing their birth certificates. It is a bill that this clearly crafted to exclude the current documents produced to show the birth of President Barack Obama. I am currently scheduled to discuss this legislation with Lawrence O’Donnell tonight
The legislation that would require presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate before they can be on the ballot in Arizona to show that he or she is a natural-born citizen of the U.S. and eligible to be president.
The bill requires that Arizona’s Secretary of State actually inspect the birth certificate. In a bizarre twist, it will also accept a baptism certificate.
Of course, any barrier to Arizona for Obama would not be a huge loss since, in 2008, Obama lost the state by nine percentage points. While that was a race against a native son (McCain), Arizona has only gone Democrat once (inn 1996) since 1948. However, 13 other states are not following suit with their own proposals.
Here is the full language of the bill.
The language is crafted to specifically require a long-form birth certificate or an array of other documents, including the bizarre addition of a baptismal record (which is hardly more authoritative than the current Hawaiian record).
The question is whether this will violate the U.S. Constitution. On one level (as with the immigration law), Arizona can claim to be merely carrying out federal conditions (in this case the conditions of Article II, Section I of the Constitution).
However, it would run against the language of the Full Faith and Credit Clause under Article IV, Section 1. Hawaii already recognizes this birth and Arizona would be refusing to accept that recognition. A birth certification would appear to fall under the language of “”public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state.”
Of course, Arizona can claim that, when there is a rivaling express provision under Article II, a state is not required to give Full Faith and Credit. Moreover, the state could argue that Full Faith and Credit requires proof in the form of these documents. On this latter argument, they are likely to cite the statement of Justice Joseph Story in Mills v. Duryee that makes references to authenticated copies:
It is argued, that this act provides only for the admission of such records as evidence, but does not declare the effect of such evidence, when admitted. This argument cannot be supported. The act declares, that the record, duly authenticated, shall have such faith and credit as it has in the state court from whence it is taken. If in such court it has the faith and credit of evidence of the highest nature, viz., record evidence, it must have the same faith and credit in every other court.
Notably, the Full Faith and Credit Clause is not generally viewed as requiring the recognition of same-sex marriage under a public policy exception as discussed in Pacific Employers Insurance v. Industrial Accident.
However, the issue of Arizona imposing higher showings to establish eligibility for office raises significant constitutional questions. I will be discussing this issue tonight on MSNBC.
Here is the key language:
A. The national political party committee for a candidate for president for a party that is entitled to continued representation on the ballot shall provide to the secretary of state written notice of that political party’s nomination of its candidates for president and vice‑president. Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate’s citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate’s age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
B. The affidavit prescribed in subsection A shall include references to and attachment of all of the following, which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury:
1. A certified copy of the presidential candidate’s long form birth certificate that includes at least the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician, if applicable, and signatures of any witnesses in attendance. If the candidate does not possess a long form birth certificate as required by this paragraph, the candidate may attach two or more of the following documents that shall take the place of the long form birth certificate if the candidate swears to their authenticity and validity and the documents contain enough information for the secretary of state to determine if the candidate meets the requirements prescribed in article II, section 1, constitution of the United States:
(a) Early baptismal or circumcision certificate.
(b) Hospital birth record.
(c) Postpartum medical record for the mother or child signed by the doctor or midwife or the person who delivered or examined the child after birth.
(d) Early census record.
2. A sworn statement or form that identifies the presidential candidate’s places of residence in the United States for fourteen years.
C. In addition to the requirements of subsection B, the presidential candidate may also submit a notarized affidavit from two or more persons who witnessed the presidential candidate’s birth.
D. If the secretary of state receives any documents in place of a long form birth certificate pursuant to subsection B, paragraph 1 and cannot determine if the presidential candidate meets the requirements prescribed in Article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States, the secretary of state may establish a committee to assist in the determination or hold hearings and submit any documents for forensic examination.
E. If both the presidential candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate’s name on the ballot in this state. If the candidate and national political party committee for that committee submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, but the secretary of state believes that the preponderance of the evidence shows that the candidate does not meet the citizenship, age and residency requirements, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate’s name on the ballot in this state.
F. A member of the house of representatives, a member of the senate or any other citizen of this state has standing to initiate an action to enforce this section.
Source: Arizona Republic
Jonathan Turley
Jim,
What is 1005 certainty?
Jim,
I find your dubious claims about my lineage exactly that: dubious.
For one thing, my IQ is a considerably higher number than room temperature and I understand both the Constitution and ethics, all of which precludes me from being a member of the Bush family.
You would fit right in though.
Elaine M.
No, any doubt I have is simply my gut instinct and the fact that the state of Hawaii could only go on what was given to them. Can you prove with 1005 certainty that he was actually born there?
Jim
1, April 15, 2011 at 8:09 pm
No, I agree with you that all can.
*****
Then you agree that Obama has proven that he was born in Hawaii.
Also, all caps doesn’t make you right. It just makes you loud, Jim. And obnoxious. Obnoxious like your assertion that a woman cannot be President. Art. II, Sec. 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Well, bad news for you and your misogynistic penis, but women are persons and citizens if they meet the requirements to be citizens and the Constitution says “persons” and “citizens” of the minimum age of 35. So a female person who is a 35 year old citizen is indeed eligible to be President. If the Constitution said “men”, you’d have a point other than the one on your head.
Saying a woman can’t be President is simply obnoxious. And wrong. Obnoxious and wrong like your thinly veiled racism that says Obama can’t possibly be an American citizen despite his papers being in order.
W.O.W
you raise an important point and that is what would happen if Trump’s dig up evidence to show the Obama birth to not be naturally born?
Jim,
I asked you: “Why don’t you believe officials of the state of Hawaii who have verified that Obama was born in that state–and the document that they provided as proof?”
Is your answer that you don’t believe those officials in Hawaii because your “gut” tells you not to?
Jim presents a simple statement and everyone piles on calling him a bigot a racist a fool and on and on.
Real nice argumentation. Lots of logic too.
My only question is where is it? I have a long form and can present it, my wife has one, my son and daughter have one too. I am older than Obama (by a few years and so is my wife) so it isn’t an issue with technology.
Show the dam long form birth certificate and move on down the road.
It seems simple to me, this isn’t going to go away and with Trump sniffing around it is only going to get worse. If he isn’t eligible to serve it will only hurt the democratic party in the next election.
You want a congress and senate full of “Tea Baggers”? Release the birth certificate.
No, I agree with you that all can.
Jim,
So…are you saying that NO ONE in Hawaii can prove that they were “naturally born” in that state?
Elaine M
Hawaii does not have a different birth id process. I have given you my answer as to the other question.
Jim,
You mean the Bushes had a son with brains? Who knew?
🙂
Buddha Is Laughing
Sorry I had to tell you the truth about being adopted but I do not believe it is fair to allow a person to live a lie. Your real parents are George and Barbara Bush.
Jim,
Was the “Hawaii certifier” there to watch all other live births in the state?
I see you read about me on my blog. Just so you know–I don’t live in Salem, Massachusetts.
P.S. You still haven’t answered my questions!
Well that just proves is that you weren’t born on Earth, Jim.
Just like Obama’s COLB proves he was born in Hawaii.
You see, I just play an Earthling on the Internet.
Really, I’m just visiting.
You birther clown.
Elaine M
I agree with you and I am not a birther. Obama was born in Hawaii but I am asking legitimate questions that no one can answer with 100% certainty. You know the Hawaii certifier wasn’t there watching Obama be born.
Buddha Is Laughing
I watched your birth and then saw them put you up for adoption!
Elaine M
“I too have been in education for 20 plus years. One of mu students is currently attending Boston U. Her family are liberals too. I just heard they are moving because of the conservative make-up of our town and heading to Salem, Massachusetts. I guess we both gain!”
Still haven’t been able to get a diploma? Oh well, keep trying! Maybe some day you’ll graduate.
😉
Jim, you missed my earlier post. There is no obligation to prove anything beyond a “shadow of doubt.” No such standard of proof exists in the law and never has.
Slartibartfast
Let me answer for you, NO! Therefore, it is easy to infer the meaning of those qualifications. So, I would have to disagree with you. Also, Look at the oath the President takes and notice itsays “he.” Matter of fact “he” is used quite a bit but no she.