First the Italians took credit for discovering America hundreds of years after Vikings landed on Newfoundland. Now, it appears that the Viking landers discovered life on Mars in 1976, but were once again overlooked. The Genovese have already filed claims that they were it first. It would however explain why there were no valuables or life found on the planet decades after the Vikings land.
A new review of the 36-year-old data from the Vikings landers by mathematicians and scientists found evidence of Martian bacteria. Already, however, some scientists (presumably Italian scientists) are expressing doubts about the reliability of the new analytical approach.
As someone who is half Italian, my mother often took me to the Chicago Columbus parade. One year a reporter asked an Italian alderman why the city continued to celebrate Columbus Day when the Vikings found the New World first. The elderly alderman looked perplexed for a second and then proclaimed, “When Columbus discovered America, it stayed discovered!” On that theory, there is still hope for the Italian Space Agency.
Source: MSNBC
You really could use someone to double check your postings. Lots of mistakes make them look amateurish.
St Brendan the Navigator discovered North America in the early 6th century, after travelling from Irleand in an open leather boat. We are just a little short of evidence, but discovery continues. He may also have gone to Mars.
Frankly,
yes, you are very observant. Even after Dr Feynman showed them dramatically what caused the failure, both mechanically (gasket stiffness due to temp.) and organizationally, they continued with the same review procedures as before.
Having blown up my balloon, I will be the one to deflate it.
I was ANALYZING not PLANNING (see subsequent post above).
A much less responsible job. In fact most of my info came from manuals, documents, etc. And time at JPL gave no working relationships.
My later work at White Sands ( I call it such as it then had no official title) which was a new facility located on the Las Cruces side of the mountain, did give me some not so flattering insights into NASA routine planning failures.
Details on request. But then you already know of them from Canaveral.
On the new site was located the test facility to test at space vacuum equivalent pressure the LEM rocket motors. (Screwry svengelska sentence)
As for the Chinese puzzle. I’ve heard another answer. But will relate it only on request, as it differs greatly from that you have formed..
I do think however it fits in better with your general wondrance that we don’t speak Mandarin.
idealist707 – I would love to hear what JPL at that time was like. I had the misfortune of working at Kennedy Space Center during the 90’s and found the whole experience depressing. It seemed nobody wanted to do a good job they just wanted to draw a paycheck. Iwent in as a huge believer in manned space flight (and still am in many ways) but kept running into people who mouthed the right words while blightly trying to kill another crew.
I have seen as bad or worse in private industry but there people just lose money. I surpised me we didn’t have more ‘Challengers’. People would get all weepy about that one while I was there but they were still operating the same way which created the same chances to blow up some more people.
Michael Murry – I got very intrested years ago in why the Chinese who had gun powder and used it in warfare for many years along with a highly addvanced military didn’t own the world. Its a topic that I have not found a direct answer to but believe it boiled down to two things: they didn’t have a decent navy (which really should not have been that big an issue but they had several huge navel disasters that I think caused them to reduce their field of view) and their leaders where so busy trying to maintain their old order, which didn’t reward surfs the way the European model did. Had they granted huge tracks of land to leaders who took new territories we would be speaking Mandrin now (IMHO)
TalkinDog,
My favorite take on the whole “discovery of America” thing comes from what the late, great Kurt Vonnegut wrote in Breakfast of Champions:
“… teachers told the children that [1492} was when their continent was discovered by human beings. Actually, millions of human beings were already living full and imaginative lives on the continent in 1492. That was simply the year in which the sea pirates began to cheat and rob and kill them.
“Here was another piece of evil nonsense which children were taught: that the sea pirates eventually created a government which became a beacon of freedom to human beings everywhere. There were pictures and statues of this imaginary beacon for children to see. I was sort of an ice-cream cone on fire.
“Actually, the sea pirates who had the most to do with the creation of the new government owned human slaves. They used human beings for machinery, and, even after slavery was eliminated, because it was so embarrassing, they and their descendants continuted to think of ordinary human beings as machines.
“The sea pirates were white. The people who were already on the continent when the pirates arrived were copper-colored. When slavery was introduced onto the continent, the slaves were black. Color was everything.
“Here is how the sea pirates were able to take whateverr they wanted from anybody else: they had the best boats in the world, and they were meaner than anybody else, and they had gunpowder …
“The chief weapon of the sea pirates, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, how heartless and greedy they were.”
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If Mars, by some unimaginable misfortune, actually does support some form of life, it won’t for long should earthly space pirates arrive to “discover” terrifying Martian weapons of mass destruction and ominous ties to Al Qaeda.
Dredd, Dredd, Dredd, you are sooooo into conspiracy; can I sit by you? 😉
I don’t know if life has been found on Mars but I think if we made a serious, concerted effort to find out we would find that there is now, or was at some time, life there. I would also believe that the first response of government would be to suppress that knowledge for the reasons you stated. It would profoundly change humanity’s frame of reference for itself and might even go far in breaking the strangle-hold religion has on humanity. Life elsewhere would gore some seriously vested oxen.
idealist707 1, April 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I hate to top you guys, but I worked on the project for JPL.
My mission: to plan material and process flow in the clean spacecraft assembly and test locale. Vertical micron filtered laminar air flow, sterilization by gas of components who could not tolerate heat, etc.
Am sure you have guessed the purpose.
I was working there the day Kennedy was assassinated.
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We are not worthy.
I was playing hooky to go surfing. The surf was up and I was stoked. Until I found out an assassination had taken place.
The project? The first Mars Lander. At that stage it did not have it’s final name. I erred saying planning; it was anallyzing instead. A far less challenging task.
I can see why people “home school” their children. This white race notion that a Viking or a European “Discovered America” is pretty lame when there were other humans already here. Is that word not a misnomer? How about “Stole”? Other words: genocide, conguor, rape, pillage, ….
I hate to top you guys, but I worked on the project for JPL.
My mission: to plan material and process flow in the clean spacecraft assembly and test locale. Vertical micron filtered laminar air flow, sterilization by gas of components who could not tolerate heat, etc.
Am sure you have guessed the purpose.
I was working there the day Kennedy was assassinated.
I have been aware of, and following, the science involved in the Viking Mission to Mars, as well as all of the other ones.
Politics and religion have more to do with it than science does, including establishment science politics and religion. In the form of Agnotology.
Remember when Orson Welles, in 1938, did “The War of the Worlds” on the radio, a take off of the H.G. Wells book?
People thought it was real and some committed suicide they were so scared.
The NASA scientist who took part in the development of, and interpretation of, the original data came to the same conclusion as these recent fellows did. Others have too. But some string pullers did not want to shake it up.
Like the Bush II regime did with global warming induced climate change.
NASA, and anything else, can become a political football.
Microbial life on Mars will be discovered and stay discovered, once the U.S. string pullers thing it will be politically advantageous.
hahaha…what Dredd said….
“When Columbus discovered America, it stayed discovered!”
LOL!
Ditto Bob….. I like the rational for discovery…m
JT,
May I be the first to say that was one of the most tortured, yet comical, news puns I’ve ever read.
Wow.