In Torrance, California, two women delivering newspapers were shot by LAPD officers looking for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner. Maggie Carranza, 47, and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez looked nothing like the African-American male suspect but police insisted that they were driving a Toyota Tundra pickup truck similar to Dorner’s truck.
They were in their truck when they were shot by LAPD officers guarding a high-ranking LAPD officer named in Dorner’s manifesto. Their attorney said that there were no warnings before the truck was peppered with bullets. Hernandez was shot in the back.
The officers said that they thought the women’s royal blue Toyota Tacoma matched Dorner’s dark-colored Nissan pickup truck. Of course, under any interpretation of Tennessee v. Garner, that would not constitute a justified basis to open fire.
In the meantime, there are growing calls to reopen the investigation linked to Dorner’s termination by the LAPD. Dorner was terminated on September 4, 2008 after the LAPD accused him of lying about a fellow officer kicking a mentally ill man. Dorner accused now Sergeant Teresa Evans of police brutality in kicking suspect Christopher Gettler in the face while he was handcuffed and lying on the ground. The LAPD internal review board accused Dorner of lying. What is curious about the case is that the father of the mentally ill man corroborated Dorner’s account and Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge David P. Yaffe who reviewed the case in 2010 examined the case a year later as part of an appeal filed by Dorner, said he was “uncertain whether the training officer kicked the suspect or not.” That handling of the case has concerned many who wondered whether Dorner was punished for breaking the code of silence. The LAPD insist he was given a full hearing and found guilty of lying.
LAPD says it will reopen the case to see if there is anything new in Dorner’s manifesto.
Of course, even if one were to accept that he was treated badly, it hardly justifies an alleged killing rampage. Yet, Dorner is developing a following of supporters.
Source: CBS
OK, here’s my take. Is it POSSIBLE, that the reason the cops have all gone apesh%t shooting everyone in hopes they kill this man, are doing it because of what they are thinking he will reveal if he is caught alive? That’s the first thing my mind jumped to. I cannot FATHOM how they can be shooting up everything and everybody for any other reason. Granted, I know they’re scared for their skins; especially, I’m sure, the ones he knows stuff on. But I just have this gut feeling that he knows a lot more information than they want out there. They’re shaking in their boots so badly, it makes you think they have a lot to cover up.
The drone thing makes a lot of sense too. Maybe they’re wanting to test the nation on using a drone to kill Rambo cop. Make it look like a wonderful thing to take out SuperSatan.
Something feels really off about this whole thing to me.
I have been bantering in a thread for the last couple days. I mentioned we should be lucky that the LAPD does not protect the public like they protect their own. Unknown to me was the post originator and probably everyone else were either LEO or on LAPD. They were going on and on how the public is supporting Dorner. I was accused of saying what a great guy he is and other straw-man arguments. Throughout the postings there was a consistent us versus them mentality. I clearly said that I did not condone what Mr. Dorner did but some of the public are tired of injustice and the cover-ups. All they could discuss was the shooting of their own. It was finally pointed out what I said was offensive which I conceded given the audience. But I also said the statement might give perspective. Which only launched more comment of me being a Dorner supporter. They were clearly concerned that the “accidents” ( another man was rammed and shot at a block away from the women being shot) would be seen as shoot on sight and the public “did not get it” that it was justified. It was pretty eerie that the overall impress is when there is a cop killer out there, collateral damage is justified.
Wanted for Killing 3, Christopher Dorner’s Claims of Racism, Corruption Resonate With LAPD’s Critics
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/11/wanted_for_killing_3_christopher_dorners
“A manhunt is continuing in California for Christopher Dorner, the former Los Angeles police officer accused of shooting three people dead. In his online manifesto, Dorner threatened to wage “unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” against a police department he accused of racism and corruption. He was fired from the police department in 2008 after being accused of falsely claiming his training officer kicked a mentally ill suspect in the course of an arrest. On Friday, the LAPD announced it would re-open its investigation of Dorner’s firing and his claims. We’re joined by journalist and activist Davey D, who says notwithstanding the allegations of murder, Dorner’s manifesto “has opened up old wounds or reaffirmed what people have long suspected or have experienced in terms of [police] brutality. … I am curious as to whether or not these allegations that he has raised — where he names dates, times, places and names — whether or not they actually check out. I think that needs to be really investigated, above and beyond the immediate scenario, which led to his firing.””
Davey D, Journalist and activist. He runs the popular website, “Davey D’s Hip Hop Corner” at DaveyD.com. He is co-host of “Hard Knock Radio” on KPFA in Berkeley, California. He is also an adjunct professor at San Francisco State in the Afro Studies Department.
“Of course, even if one were to accept that he was treated badly, it hardly justifies an alleged killing rampage. Yet, Dorner is developing a following of supporters.” -Jonathan Turley
“Chris Dorner finds an ally in Anonymous; the group explains why”
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/feb/11/chris-dorner-finds-ally-anonymous-group-explains-w/
Excerpt:
“However the department has proven once more that it is incapable of serving the public, look no further than to the women who became LAPD’s most recent victims. The two were shot without warning and were not even given the chance to surrender simply because LAPD thinks they are above the law.
No one is above the law.
In coordination with federal authorities, the LAPD is now conducting a massive manhunt for The Dark Knight Christopher Dorner, so that they may effectively silence him forever without due process.
And now since the authorization of drones have been approved for the first time ever to pursue and execute an American citizen on United States Soil, the US Government will stage this event to set a new precedent from which it can assassinate American citizens for little to no reason at all.
But do not misinterpret us for we do not condone the vicious acts that Dorner has allegedly partaken in. Instead we sympathize and resonate with his struggle. Dorner was not born a killer he was a law abiding citizen that was tainted by the corrupt and inhumane practices of the Los Angeles Police Department who serve only themselves.
We however do not accept this fate, and call upon our brothers to raise arms against the LAPD, for justice and for the lulz we will rise to disrupt, dismantle and dissect all aspects of the manhunt whilst revealing the LAPD’s unwarranted hypocrisy.
We are hated, vilified, and like Dorner, considered to be enemies to the state. But there are those who whisper that we are culture and a necessity that bring truth to a cloaked world. In this spirit we will forge ahead and allow #OperationDorner to commence!”
A third man’s car was rammed and fired upon, this time by City of Torrance police, allegedly because the car appeared to be that of Dorner’s. However, the third man’s car was of a different make and color than Dorner’s. The man himself was of a difference race, and weighed 100 pounds less, than Dorner. Thank God all of the bullets missed the man. Here’s the story where I got the above-referenced facts: http://laist.com/2013/02/10/police_opened_fire_on_another_perso.php . Now you can buy bumper stickers that day, “Don’t shoot! I’m NOT DORNER!!”, but I don’t know if that will help or not. http://laist.com/2013/02/10/dont_shoot_im_not_dorner_bumper_sti.php
@Gene H “he had arranged for someone to donate a new pickup truck”
WHO is going to donate a truck for a huge screwup like this!?!?
I’d love to know who is REALLY trying to clean up this mess….
And I’d like to know if this guy started this rampage JUST because they treated him badly….or was it more? Because this is really starting to stink…
Of course, even if one were to accept that he was treated badly, it hardly justifies an alleged killing rampage. Yet, Dorner is developing a following of supporters.
True, but is there even more to this story?? I wouldn’t count on hearing it from the cops, it looks like they are already lying.
And I don’t know where Dorner’s info is coming from, but have to wonder of it’s being edited.
I know it sounds like I’m pretty suspicious of the police…but after all the stories about them…especially the LAPD, I think I am entitled to be.
OT?
The resignation of Pope Benedict XVI will instill a lot of paranoia and other fears based upon “The Last Pope Prophecy” since the next Pope is predicted to be the last one.
Paranoia has a promising future on several continents.
Thanks for the update, ap. I had seen earlier reports that contradicted this timeline.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/lapd-attacks-timeline/
For those remarking on the timeline, Dorner’s truck was found after this particular shooting.
Donations are easy to arrange for a police officer, especially high ranking.
Here we call it extortion. And our bribe takers are not for real. Selling citizenship to folks is lucrative.
Read the Choir Boys, for a good nightmare maker. That was LA then. Ain’t no better now.
Didn’t they find his truck burned out?
Sought? The headline says “sought”. You mean “shot”.
Here’s some candy we got for free. Now go away, kid. Ya bother me.
“LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith says the department’s Chief Charlie Beck met with the women in their Torrance home Saturday to apologize and tell them he had arranged for someone to donate a new pickup truck.”
Donate, mind you.
Don’t let that huge pending civil suit bite you on the ass on your way out the door, LAPD.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/woman-pickup-truck-lapd-christopher-dorner-manhuntl_n_2657256.html
Are the LAPD investigating the incident? Of course.
Dorner is published sic (punished) for telling the truth? As usual, how else will we have police unity, etc.?
I got reported waiting for a green pedestrian signal on Wilshire Blvd at McCarthur park in 1963. I could not afford better and the company had put me there to “encourage” me, living with the elder starvees.
Guess I was lucky. He surely believed that I was gazing with hot homosexual eye at him, standing in the midddle of the crossing. McArthur Park was infamous then. And I would never venture near the men’s latrine.
But I had been an officer in the Army, just discharged.
I guess my admiring gaze was enough to trigger him, but no shots were fired. Only a report filed and a protest to the DA’s office was to no avail.
In all fairness to the cop, my gaze has triggered people since I was 7 years old.
And it has continued to this day, although I exercise more care today.
Owning a pickup, out early delivering newspapers and being a person of color (?) in LA is enough to get you shot. (Are hispanics colored? I thought they were caucasian.)
David, do you carry a big sign saying that you are “white”? How about James in LA?
Having marked my presence I will retire.
Remember, Domer’s truck had previously been burned at Bear lake.
That fact had been widely reported along with many pictures of the burned truck surrounded by rubbernecking cops.
This is turning into the Wild West. The LAPD needs to chill and actually know who they are shooting at.
LA area doods, don’t rent any Toyota Tundra pickup trucks that are similar to Dorner’s truck until Dorner is found.
The suicide-by-cops squad out there is paranoid and hyper-active.
Not the same make or model, not the same color truck – I guess if I were a pickup owner in LA I would be walking to work for a while. BTW I think you meant to say “shot” not “sought”