“Change You Can Count On” But Can’t Vote On? Obama To Delay Action On Immigration Until After The Elections

Well-be-back-soonPresident_Barack_ObamaThere is a fascinating political shift occurring in Washington this weekend after President Barack Obama walked back from this pledge to act by the end of summer on his unilateral immigration actions and said that he will now wait until after the elections. The move has been openly discussed as an effort to support struggling Democratic candidates who are facing huge opposition to the immigration proposals and are leery of the President taking any action given his own record low polling numbers (which now stand at 38 percent according to Gallup). Various Democratic candidates have been complaining that they are losing ground due to the immigration proposal and that Obama’s pledge could further worsen the currently bleak picture for losses in Congress (and possibly losing both houses to the GOP). While the White House originally saw the proposal as a no-lose proposition and popular with the base, it has proven far less popular around the country, particularly in battleground states. Polls show far greater opposition than support for the proposal. Immigration advocates are denouncing the delay as putting “politics over people.”

The thrust of the decision is that the changes will be made but not until after voters are no longer able to express their opposition in the upcoming elections. That would seem to be a highly insulting proposition for voters, but it has not been treated as anything other than politics as usual by the media. It is a curious approach for a President who ran on the change slogan like “Time for A Change” and “Change You Can Believe In.” It is a “change you can count on [but not vote on]” approach to politics.

Two White House officials said that the move was meant to insulate Democrats from the public backlash to the immigration moves. This is in sharp contrast to the June 30th Rose Garden speech where Obama declared that he had directed Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Attorney General Eric Holder to give him recommendations for executive action by the end of summer and that he would “adopt those recommendations without further delay.”

My views on unilateral presidential action are well known and have little to due to the merits of these issues (Indeed, I agree with some of the President’s policies and objectives). However, what continues to amaze me is the character of modern American politics. Here you have politicians openly discussing how to avoid voter wrath by withholding action in a major area. In reality, I think some GOP leaders are doing the same thing in light of the recent defeat of Cantor and the clear success of new candidates running against the immigration proposals (while the Chamber of Congress and industry interests are pressuring for legalization as beneficial to business). I simply find it remarkable that politicians can get away with openly withholding proposals to evade a public backlash but promising that, as soon as the voters go home, they will move on the proposals. It strikes me as a tad duplicitous, but then again little makes sense to me in American politics anymore.

Source: AP

181 thoughts on ““Change You Can Count On” But Can’t Vote On? Obama To Delay Action On Immigration Until After The Elections”

  1. Nick – what if members of the Mexican drug cartels send their children over here unaccompanied and against the law. Should we then allow people who eviscerate journalists and hang them by their entrails in because their kids are in? Should we even check into anyone’s past who wants to come? Because to many, it seems rude to have any requirements or limits whatsoever.

  2. Stay strong, Karen. I would teach baseball players to have a single word to remind them to correct a hitch in their swing. If their problem was upper cutting their swing, the word would be “level.” the trigger word must always be positive, what you’re supposed to do. My key word for about 10 folks is simply, “IGNORE.” That’s what JT suggests we do. He has told folks to ignore me but I guess I’m too lovable.

  3. BFM and Karen S. I don’t think anyone here has ever indicated that our military members shouldn’t be treated with utmost respect and honor, especially our veterans. I would hope one day that when my active duty career Navy daughter is a veteran, we don’t see Congress voting down funding for the VA hospitals or for taking away their VA benefits as we have recently seen. That is truly shameful.

    1. ” I would hope one day that when my active duty career Navy daughter is a veteran, we don’t see Congress voting down funding for the VA hospitals or for taking away their VA benefits as we have recently seen. That is truly shameful.”


  4. I do think that Shinseki was only responsible for part of the blame of the VA. The Administration knew about it. Congress knew about. Senators were forwarding letters and having meetings with constituents languishing on secret waiting lists.

    A great many people let our veterans down, after everything they did for us. Some lost limbs in service to our country, and we did not treat them with honor, care, and respect. Really galls me. . .

  5. HELP! Aridog had a positive response to randyjet that got eaten. That is very worthy of retrieval.

  6. leej, My point is simple. If you allow lawlessness for noble reasons of saving Guatemalan children then how do you not allow the many millions of children into the US?? Guatemalan children don’t have it as bad as children in Africa and the Middle East. Why do they get preferential treatment for breaking the law. If children form other countries get here lawlessly can they also stay? I’m pointing out the arbitrariness of your analysis.

    1. my computer is acting up so can’t look for links but Nick no one is letting thse kids stay either but too many want to kick them back without assessing the circumstances and make a direct analogy to Mexicans who come over looking for work.
      No we can’t take in the whole world but absent hundreds and hundreds coming we do need to open our arms or at least not shut our eyes

  7. General Shinseki is not very popular right now because he presided over a VA with known fraudulent behaviors, such as throwing out patient information to make it look like they met their goal of a 2 week turnaround. He failed to stop the fraud and turn things around, and he betrayed the trust of veterans who bled and sacrificed for this country. Patients died waiting for care, and others waited 9 months or more to get an appointment. That’s a scandal any way you look at it that would have driven most private companies out of business, justly so.

    He deserved a rebuke. I don’t think many soldiers would admire a man who headed a VA that was supposed to care for them when they got out, and instead treated them like garbage.

    No excuse.

  8. You know, it is not beyond the pale of reason to have sincere concerns about our government in general and our president in particular.

    I do not think Obama is the devil incarnate. But he has an enormous pile of scandals, including presidential overreach. But there is a faction on this blog that behaves as if it is reprehensible to criticize Obama, as if any criticism whatsoever is racist, or a lie. It is not my opinion, it is a fact that we held territory in Iraq in 2009 that is now ruled by ISIS. A 5 minute search on GOOGLE can obtain video of Obama and Biden proclaiming that Iraq was a great victory. It is not just my opinion that he inherited a won war; it was also Obama’s and Biden’s.

    But Obama really got on my bad side when he cost middle class families thousands of dollars in Obamacare, and lied about being allowed to keep their doctors, policies, etc. It’s now known as the Biggest Lie of the Year. But, I don’t know, the IRS might give it a run for its money this year.

    I believe wrong is wrong. And if I have a concern, I want to address it.

    I did not think Bush was a blameless angel who could do no wrong. Even my favorite president, Reagan, made some mistakes, including when he added mandatory benefits to Medicare that drove premiums up. I thought a mob of the elderly were going to roll his car once. He corrected that particular mistake.

    BFM: Let me correct my statement to “boots on the ground SHOULD NOT BE TREATED like political pawns.” War is serious business. My family has bled for generations in service to our country. Some of my friends are going through deployment now, leaving behind small children. Soldiers deserve our respect, and should be allowed to do their jobs with proper support and back up. And there have been times over the past few decades when we have let them down. Let the politicians fight the wars from DC instead of giving generals basic parameters, like minimize civilian casualties, and then letting them have at it.

    1. “Let me correct my statement to “boots on the ground SHOULD NOT BE TREATED like political pawns.” War is serious business. My family has bled for generations in service to our country.”

      We agree that men and women who served their country should not be treated as political pawns. We all owe a debt that can never be repaid to those who have served.

  9. leej, WOW!! That last part about children being murdered is an eye opener into how you think There are millions of children being murdered around the globe. Are you going to play God and say Guatemala, your kids live. All the other Central, South America, Africa, Asia, etc. children, tough luck. leej, says we can’t save you all. But, these Guatemalan kids, she says they will live. You are cold!

    Wow Nick. I am astounded at your comment. I did not make a personal attack on you or anyone else here and you misrepresented what I wrote .
    I wrote about the children who had come here and that was why. I wrote nothing about neither the children who have not come here nor spoke about how I feel about the murdering of children, and women, around the globe.
    There are no words for the horrendous behavior of many countries, their terrorists and murderers.

  10. Whoops, a post I just made got lost in the traps. It had a link in it and was rather long. If it can be recovered, great, if not, so be it. It was a postive response to Randyjet.

  11. Like I said to leej, Aridog is a military man and standup guy. The crazy buffoons can get to us all sometimes, dude. We’re all human. Well, except for Beldar.

  12. Professor Turley….it was a mistake for me to address the commenter I cited. It will not happen again. Issues that happened elsewhere do not belong here, even if similar. My mistake. I apologize.

    I will note that someone from here, using the nick “unknown” is copy & pasting remarks made here to another blog-site periodically, totally off topic and aimed at one commenter who posts both here and there, plus another one who posts here, but not there. Each time it has been an obvious attempt to cause trouble, and have been deleted as well. Using the same reasoning I cite above, issues here do not belong elsewhere when irrelevant to the conversations. I should have realized that, in the instance deleted here, before I ran off at the mouth.

  13. Aridog,

    I have deleted a comment attacking another poster in clear violation of our civility rule. Please comply with our rule or refrain from comments.

  14. @anyone else,
    Totally agree…appears to be all superego dominated existence with no ego strength!

  15. Randyjet…in my mind you just made my point by noting that the Sec of Def, and all other administration personnel, skipped Gen Shinseki’s retirement….and that it was a gross insult to a fine service. My point is, very simply, that the Sec of Def is supposed to attend such ceremonies, even when the recipient is not yet dead, let alone killed in a combat zone. His presence is unremarkable at Green’s burial, but his absence very remarkably bad form for Shinseki’s retirement. BTW…I am very familiar what career civil servants are, and NONE are appointees…that begins at the SES level and above. So yes, by your interpretations here, Hagel counts as an attendee. Bully for him. You’ll pardon my thinking it didn’t mean much, never mind that no other administration personality showed up, yet they have time to visit Ferguson, MO. As you said the absences at Shinseki’s retirement were gross, and if I must count Hagel as an honoring attendee for the administration, so be it. In the military I spent most of my life in his appearance was de rigueur…barely making it less ugly than Shinseki’s insult. So we can just agree to disagree…even that I’m a liar LJC and a couple others.

    1. Aridog, I agree that it is expected for the Sec of Defense to attend such things for high ranking officers. A better formulation would have been to express it in that fashion. To compare it to AG Holder going to Ferguson is a bit outlandish since he was not going there to honor the victim, but primarily to try and cool down the outrage at the killing of an unarmed teen. It is better to send Holder than the National Guard or the Army. As long as we are talking about honoring those who died in serving their country, I am surprised that so many military folks accepted the political judgment of W Bush to make the return of the dead be done in secret. In contrast, the Brits televised the return of their dead servicemen and gave it national coverage.. I also like George Stephanopolis show on Sunday which features the pictures and names of the military members who died that week. That is the least that we can do.

      The problem I see with the abuse of Gen Shinseki was that it subverts the idea of the military being non-partisan and was an attempt to show that if officers do not follow the party line, they will pay. Cheney went further and subverted the whole intel establishment and made it political rather than a professional service. We paid dearly for that during and after the McCarthy era when it made the State Dept a political football and open to only party hacks. We do not need more of that in DoD since there is too much of that now. It is too bad that the tradition of our greatest general, Gen. Marshall, has been tossed in favor of careerism and cronyism.

  16. Annie cause hope springs eternal ((*_*))
    But when Karen says Obama inheried a “won” war it is hard to be hopeful since she is unable to look dispassionately but only through the Obama is a bum, Bush, repubs are great lenses.
    Bush said we did win it, 7 days in MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, and ir was admitted that was his banner, not the crew of the boat. Funn how we won in 7 days took form 03 – 11.

    Nick re the ACA: A new report from the Kaiser Family Foundation finds that in seven major cities that have released data on 2015 premiums, the price of the benchmark Obamacare plan – the second-cheapest silver plan, which the federal government uses to calculate subsidies –  is falling.

    The Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington on Thursday announced that it is withdrawing its July decision, in which a two-to-one majority upheld the challenge, so that the full panel of active judges on the court can rehear the case. Federal appeals courts don’t grant this sort of “en banc” rehearing very frequently. They do so only when the stakes of the case are big and when they think the initial decision is suspect. (It takes a majority of active judges to grant such a hearing.) “At a minimum, it signals discomfort from a majority of the Court with the [three-judge] panel’s reasoning,” says Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor who has followed the case closely and written frequently about it.. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119318/obamacare-lawsuits-dc-circuit-grants-en-banc-hearing-halbig

    1. “Bush said we did win it, 7 days in MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, and ir was admitted that was his banner, not the crew of the boa”

      And to make a final point regarding political deployment of military forces, there is good evidence to indicate that carrier was held at sea in order to allow the Presidents media people to craft a glorious photo-op for the president – all while military families waited to be reunited with their loved ones who had been at sea – how many months was that?

      Political pawns? I would say a veritable political puppet theater.

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