It took a Brooklyn jury just an hour to convict Christian Ferdinand, 22, for the murder of this girlfriend Shaniesha Forbes, 14. The jury’s disdain for Ferdinand might have been cemented by the comment that he made to police after allegedly confessing to the killing of his girlfriend, burning her body, and stuffing it into a suitcase: “Do you think I can get some kind of community service?”
Ferdinand reportedly was upset after Forbes told him that she was pregnant. Ferdinand said Forbes had told him she was pregnant in a text and told him that she wouldn’t get an abortion because her mom is religious. Ferdinand responded in a text with “My n—a, are you serious? Kill that shit.” He then told police that he later became enraged after she continued to talk about the pregnancy as they laid on a couch. He smothered her will a pillow. He then doused her corpse with Axe body spray and then used a Bic lighter to burn the body. He then stuffed it into a suitcase and threw it into Gerritsen Bay. He then fled to Maine.
When asked later if she struggled, he responded “She tried, wasn’t much of a struggle, she was little.” The autopsy later showed that she was not pregnant.
The community service thing did not exactly work out. Ferdinand now faces up to 25 years to life behind bars.
Source: NY Post
Anyway, at least this POS will be held accountable for this murder/abortion. So we still have some cultural/legal limits on the books.
“These are all cultural limits, rather than biological. ”
Exactly.
Teji, are any of those sentences related to the others?
Is there supposed to be an argument in there somewhere?
Word salad, mostly.
Dr. Pogo: A search of Google Scholar for “fetus is a parasite” yielded only one medical book using that phrase.
Teji Malik
Dr. Pogo. We all die, hence it IS the culture of death we all in. I thought you knew that too. 🙂
Dr. Pogo: [“…a so called esteemed doctor who has no idea that all life has a beginning and the end.”
In which Teji again addresses arguments that no one has actually made.]
Dr. Pogo: You need to see a doctor, unlike yourself. 🙂
Pogo:
I’m beginning to suspect he is not a medical doctor.
The argument that all life has beginning and end could be used to excuse murder at any age, and is a spurious argument.
The whole abortion argument is basically whether or not a woman has a right to kill her live, developing fetus, and if so, is there a gestational limit. Is 10 weeks OK but not 40? What about 25? 35? When the child has developed lungs. When it’s reached the point of viability. Before it has implanted. Before it developed a complicated nerve system capable of feeling pain. Should everyone have their own limit, or should limits be imposed on others? Currently, the vast majority of people agree that there should be some limits on abortion, such as making it illegal to terminate a full term fetus.
These are all cultural limits, rather than biological. Throughout history, every society has had its laws on abortion. For some, you could kill a child after it was born but before it cried. In other societies, the child was not considered alive for several weeks after birth. In some, a parent could kill a child of any age. Other cultures it was completely taboo.
What is certain is that this is a contentious issue, and likely has always been.
Maybe common ground can be found in this species with regard to its reproductive cycle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish#Reproduction
@Karen
“but rather because it’s so commonly used that people believe it to be true.”
It is used to change how people think, so that people actually view babies as real parasites, which permits them to kill babies off without any feeling.
Yes, yes Karen, we’ve already established that, well Pogo did at 3:28. Did you miss his comment?
Commensalism is between two different species, where one benefits and the other is totally unaffected. Inga’s link above explains that parasitism involves two different species. Obviously the phrase is inappropriate to a mother and child.
Not even the risks of childbirth/pregnancy change reproduction into a parasitic infection.
The phrase “fetuses are parasites” is in the vernacular not because it is scientifically correct, but rather because it’s so commonly used that people believe it to be true.
“…a so called esteemed doctor who has no idea that all life has a beginning and the end.”
In which Teji again addresses arguments that no one has actually made.
I am surprised to hear a fetus referred to as a “parasite.” In biology, a parasite survives by taking nutrients at its hosts expense. The host gets nothing positive out of it, or it would be symbiosis, such as our beneficial gut flora. A mother invests resources in a fetus in order to reproduce, arguably the most vital function of any organism that does not go extinct. Reproduction is neither a disease nor a parasitic infestation.
Everyone has strong feelings about abortion, and there are many sides to this issue.
But calling a fetus a “parasite” is biologically incorrect.
Well Teji, Pogo of all docs, should know full well that life has an ending. And the end doesn’t come softly and sweetly to all geriatric patients.
In my search for a scientific term for the biological relationship between fetus and mother, fond this. Absolutely fascinating. Pregnancy is a war between mother and child. Now don’t get all incensed pro lifers, it’s the biology being discussed here.
http://aeon.co/magazine/science/pregnancy-is-a-battleground-between-mother-father-and-baby/
Inga – pregnancy is a war between men, women and child? You believe everything your read don’t you? Ever consider reading critically?
Paul, it’s exceedingly evident you didn’t read the article.How about reading the article first, it’s not political or philosophical, it’s pure biology which I’m pretty sure you never taught, hence your comment.
Both Inga and Paul S have had comments deleted under our civility rule.
Since I am running behind, I have no idea that something that had been deleted is something I am quoting.
Teji,
It never fails, the resident ‘blog admonisher’ jumps in the conversation in her righteous zeal.
Inga, that is why I sit back and enjoy the tantrums even from a so called esteemed doctor who has no idea that all life has a beginning and the end.
He/she is not even capable of respecting his fellow doctors who have a different political leanings than his/hers, Mr./Ms. Righteous. May be his/her nick name is Noah/a who also supposed to have died eventually, if the fable is true. 🙂
No, because in your article it states: “Commensalism, in biology, a relation between individuals of two species…“
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commensalism
Not completely accurate either, because pregnancy actually does harm the mother in some cases.
Inga – the common cold harms people as does aspirin. There are people who are allergic to the sun.
The word parasite has a definite meaning and a fetus or child is not it under scientific or medical terminology. Parasitic is also a defined term.
Parasitism:Parasitism is a non-mutual symbiotic relationship between species, where one species, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host.
Perhaps you consider children and unborn children of another species?
Parasites show a high degree of specialization, and reproduce at a faster rate than their hosts
1.
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2.
a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3.
(in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.
Under some these definitions and terms everyone who is collecting welfare and using EBT cards is a parasite.
Teji. Your posts would be a bit more credible if they were not spotted, like a small pox victim, with false meaning and condescending happy faces. 🙂
;-P
😀
You don’t really seem like such a happy face person in some of your snarky comments. 🙂
If you know what I mean 🙂
Darren,
Can you explain why only 25 years?
Correction: “ad hominem”
The only appropriate community service would be leaving the community permanently.
Pogo – I think we need to return to the philosophy of ‘this town ain’t big enough for the two of us’.