Does Bad Music Make For Bad Politics?

Screen Shot 2014-12-04 at 3.16.16 PMBelow is the new “Stand By Hillary” song that appears an attempt to bridge the rather wide gap between Hillary Clinton (and Democratic candidates generally) and males, particularly white males. At first, I honestly thought this was a joke. I am still a bit unsure, but people are reporting that this is a real effort at reaching country music fans. My issue is not the candidate, but the music. To the constant complaint of every member of my family, I listen to country music and this is just really, really bad country music.


The group is actually called “Stand With Hillary.”. It is reportedly the product of Daniel Chavez, a longtime Democratic political operative, and media producer Miguel Orozco. It features such lines as “And now it’s 2016 and this time I’m a thinkin’, guys put your boots on and let’s smash this ceiling.” The chorus follows with such refrains as “she’s a mother, daughter and through it all she’s a loving wife.”

The video seems like it was produced by people who not only have no knowledge but a disdain for country music — and country music fans. As for country music material, the stereotypical images and canned lyrics is not what would make for a good country song. One could come up with a classic country tune, but it would be less of a Kim Jong-un/Dear Leader piece and more of a a Carrie Underwood song.

If this was intended to reach out to males, it seems likely to backfire. The cliche images and lyrics border on the insulting. It suggests that they think that you just have to throw up a few pictures of barns, horses, and a hot woman on a motorcycle and you are good to go with male voters. When I showed it to the family, everyone thought it was simply goofy and even a bit creepy. But you can be the judge (I am going back to irritating my family with some of my favorite Kenny Chesney songs to clear the palate).

From my perspective, our leaders are already giving us bad politics. They can at least not add bad music on top of it.

85 thoughts on “Does Bad Music Make For Bad Politics?”

  1. “Even a bit creepy” is an apt description of Hillary, herself.
    Thank you, Professor Turley.

    1. zedalis – your answer is ambiguous. So, I am asking you to answer it so we all understand.

    1. Jim, What does that mean about her stamping on the ceiling. Is that the debt ceiling or what is it?

    1. zedalis – you can plead to a TIA only if you had one at the time. If not, you are making fun of people with disabilities, but of course, all progressives get to do that.

  2. Paul >> happypap >>

    To be honest, I have no desire to protect or defend Ms Clinton. I honestly hope that she does not become our next President and wish the best of luck to Warren, Webb, et al.. I was only warning you both about predicating a political argument based upon an exaggerated and largely imaginary intimate knowledge of a politicians psyche, as I see this as a disturbing and increasingly common occurrence amongst the chattering classes. Perhaps you will remember a few decades ago when this amateur psychological divination was sometimes referred to as ‘dime store psychology’.

    I’m not sure what malady you are referring to Paul, but I would venture to guess that the problems that you and your fellow Hillary ‘scholars’ here are displaying is called psychological projection: you defend your political views by denying distasteful impulses within yourselves, while attributing them to others. Lacking evidence of your firsthand and personal knowledge of your targeted victims, I can only suggest this fantastical fabrication springs from something broken within, at best, your approach to political discourse.

    1. zedalis – there is nothing that I have said about Hillary that smacks of any kind of psychology, whoever, I do have a minor in psychology from college. It was more by accident then on purpose, but I have the hours none the less. Since Freud reared his ugly little head we have been unofficially psycho-analyzing people. However, I did not do that with Hillary. I just made a blanket statement of fact.
      You have done your best to kill the messenger, but you have yet to kill the message. Again, I must ask you, CWI?

    2. @Zedalis – don’t bother talking psychology to Paul C. Schulte – and furthermore – don’t think any of us are ignorant of Hillary Clinton. We are educated. Did you not read Darren Smith’s remark to me? did he sound like he was projecting.

      I am well versed in Jungian Psychology and the archetypes and we can go on all day long about Hillary’s Animus Possession and her “Smart Power” by “Empathy with the Enemy”

      The assonance is killing me Zedalis. You don’t have to worry about My ignorance and you for sure don’t have to worry about complex Paul Schulte’s ignorance because I surely don’t.

      Let us take “Empathy with the Enemy” Why on earth would and Animus Possessed Female want to Empathize with the Enemy? It sounds sexual to me. Perhaps there is something to that Oedipal complex of Freud’s. Idk, you will have to ask Paul C. Schulte because he is the one with the Minor in Freudian Artform Psychology. πŸ™‚

      1. Paul… zedalis – you can plead to a TIA only if you had one at the time. If not, you are making fun of people with disabilities….

        Guilty as charged. See how easy that was?

        1. zedalis – if you had a TIA while you were posting you should be in the hospital being treated. So are we to assume you are guilty of making fun of people with disabilities?

      2. happypappies – I am actually a behaviorist. I learned a lot of Freud and Jung because of the theatre and mythology, but didn’t put a lot of stock in them myself. You can see results with behavioral psychology.

        1. Paul C. Schulte

          happypappies – I am actually a behaviorist. I learned a lot of Freud and Jung because of the theatre and mythology, but didn’t put a lot of stock in them myself. You can see results with behavioral psychology.

          Really? I hope you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater there. It’s so interesting drawing you out πŸ™‚

            1. Paul C. Schulte – Zedalis’s mind appears to be affected.
              Open book as in a Simple mind? How quaint. πŸ™‚

                1. Paul C. Schulte said very accurately – “I said I was an open book, not an easy read. πŸ˜‰

                  Because I commented to his comment which he commented evasively
                  Paul C. Schulte – β€œHow big was it?” I know β€œWhat difference does it make

                  happypappies – I am pretty much an open book, but a big one. πŸ™‚

                  Just wanted to clear this up because the waters were becoming shark infested and murky as usual πŸ™‚

                  1. happypappies – just to help confuse the issue again, some people are frightened by size. Personally, I never found the size of the book frightening if it was interesting. Then again a small book can be shallow.
                    However, I am going to make you work for the information πŸ˜‰

                    1. Paul C. Schulte said he is going to make me work for the “information” Oh, good, I love nuts and berrys oh, I mean fairies or was that unicorns and mythos in the forest? πŸ˜‰

                    2. happypappies – you won’t value it if I just give it away. The more you work, the more you will value it. πŸ™‚

                    3. Nothing like a good old fashioned work ethic Paul C. Schulte to keep me from turning into a Liberal

            2. Paul C. Schulte – “How big was it?” I know “What difference does it make” πŸ™‚ good nite

  3. Paul >> The preceding comment should, of course, only apply to you if you were attempting to justify Darrens assimptions about whether and to what extent Ms Clinton feels pain.

  4. Paul >>> a non answer designed to give a disingenuous carte blanche to ascribe entirely fabricated attitudes and positions to your political adversaries. While it’s probably convenient to constantly create straw man arguments, it retards the advancement of your views by tingeing your legitimate positions with the same unseemliness that results from, well… lying about someone you don’t know.

    Argue the facts if you will, but leave off with the whole cloth creation of fictitious personality traits you really have no knowledge of. It is beneath you..

    1. zedalis – when I was growing up we called what you are doing as ‘over-compensating for an inferiority complex.’ I have no idea what they call it now. From your statement, should we infer you are on an intimate basis with Hillary? BTW, are my facts not in evidence. Doesn’t Hillary tell us how she feels about things all the time? And if not Hillary then her surrogates? Are you guilty of CWI?

  5. happypap:
    “That sounds rather judgmental for a Liberal but of course Liberals are judgmental when it comes to Religion.”

    Far be it from me to suggest that the amount of gullibility that is required to accept as fact that Joseph Smith discovered huge golden plates with a divining rod (he was a dowser) buried in New York State and that these tablets revealed to him that Jesus Christ came to America after his ressurection, might somehow be a handicap in a world leader. Is it pragmatic or is it judgemental to point out that someone that holds these beliefs might be less than discerning of a complete and viable reality when judging issues and decisions that might be crucial to our nations survival?

    1. Zedalis – don’t forget the planet Kolob and the fact that God and Mary have regular sexual intercourse and spirit children that populate Kolob. also don’t forget they are still looking for the remnants of the Nephilim in the Ohio Valley. Also we would not want to forget about their final prophecy of the tattered remnants of the Constitution – you know – the White Hourse Prophecy – even though the Church does not hold any of these things as official Church Doctrine. It’s important to know that Joseph dreamed them up at one time as a Zealot – kind of like some of the crazy ones in the Old Testament.

      I find it amazing the interest that Liberals take in Fox news. That’s all they ever talk about. That and Rupert Murdoch and how he programs the broadcasters and The Koch Brothers Koch Brothers Koch Brothers.

      You are amazing. Right after Darren writes a treatice warning us against dynasties of Bush and Clinton and how dangerous this can be in duopolies it can create, instead of you clearing your mind, you shut down and dig in and your propaganda spews forth.

      What if I were to tell you I didn’t have Cable TV hooked up and I relied on the internet for my news souces and I read all time? That I listen even to you and your sour observations.

  6. Darren – >>> Ms. Clinton’s wealth anesthetized her from feeling any of the pains regular people occasionally or usually endure. And, her blind supporters inoculate her from any criticism by attacking those who do.

    All due respect, but you have, or guess you have, knowledge of Mrs. Clintons feelings, how? Is this some type power of personal divination that is only granted to those that watch Fox News? I often wonder that people can think they know the most intimate details of someones psyche by having watched them on television. Often their suppositions reveal far more truth about themselves than they do reveal facts regarding the strangers they analyze.

    1. zedalis – Hillary and her surrogates continually tell us how Hillary ‘feels’ about things. We do not have to listen to Fox News for updates, we just have to listen to Hillary make mistake after mistake.

  7. happypap:
    “…at least Romney knows that Businesses create the venue for Jobs…

    Yes, Romney was a brilliant guy. Why America was unable to see the genius that lay behind his sincere desire to know "Why don't the plane windows open?" shall remain one of our nations biggest political mysteries.

    I think the 47% tirade wounded his campaign grievously, I mean he had automatically captured the 53% of voters that weren't bothered by a President that might wear 'magic underwear'. Yep, the country really dropped the ball on that one.

    1. @Zedalis –

      Who cares what kind of underwear Romney wears or what his Religion is? It’s a free country isn’t it? That sounds rather judgmental for a Liberal but of course Liberals are judgmental when it comes to Religion.

      Hillary says that she is dead broke when she left the white house and didn’t have a penny to her name.

      I would prefer a candidate that made somewhat naive remarks about engineering to an outright liar in chief

      Besides, the Mormons are rich and happy people. We might learn something from them.

      1. Happypappies,

        I find it rather disingenuous that some who decry the very wealthy as greed manifested individuals who take advantage of their position and status to achieve unnecessarily luxury and wealth for doing no real work, and then declare Hillary Clinton to be a virtuous person who champions the struggles of the ordinary American.

        Ms. Clinton’s wealth anesthetized her from feeling any of the pains regular people occasionally or usually endure. And, her blind supporters inoculate her from any criticism by attacking those who do.

        A precarious situation will be found in America if every we see another Bush vs. Clinton in 2016. That will mark the crowning of a de facto aristocracy that our Constitution was framed to avoid; that is the establishment of political dynasties as a status quo forced upon the voters through an Executive Branch reserved only for a ruling class of families.

        But yet the political duopoly decided to create such dynasties and relegates ordinary citizens to having to accept the table scraps of holding only municipal elected offices. Even ambassadorships are not merit based in sixty percent of the appointments but are spoils system products of money generating and connected persons who benefit a political party without having a counter-balance of talents in public service; much less the diplomatic corps.

        We as voters are not going to dislodge these self-serving political dynasties unless we provide education amongst ourselves to learn to be critical, logical, and free thinkers who generate immunity to Madison Avenue style political campaigns that win over the gullible or apathetic.

        But as long as we elect those who are more interested in money, power, and elitism, we are going to get the politicians we deserve.

        1. Darren Smith

          We as voters are not going to dislodge these self-serving political dynasties unless we provide education amongst ourselves to learn to be critical, logical, and free thinkers who generate immunity to Madison Avenue style political campaigns that win over the gullible or apathetic.

          But as long as we elect those who are more interested in money, power, and elitism, we are going to get the politicians we deserve.

          My friend Bonnie and I were talking about this tonight regarding our problems in Missouri and Illinois and what were we to do to vote them out?

          How do we educate the populace? I talk to my friends till I am blue in the face and it does do some good and I do raise their consciousness as you raise mine everytime you speak from the mountaintop.

          But who, pray tell can we turn to as a candidate? We already had this problem with the Bushes and their oil and the Kennedys and somehow that was taken care of in a nasty way. It does remind me of Rome just like my College History Professor said in 1973.

          I don’t even think it matters if they are blood related anymore as they have all their secret organizations that only the very rich and well connected can belong to. In my opinion, it’s no different than the decision the Muslims make when the Shia think that the Anointed should inherit and the Sunni think it’s a Political office. See, we aren’t so different after all πŸ™‚

  8. Before attempting to discredit a candidate by inference by tying them to what, at best, is a distinctly down-market form of music, it might be wise to establish a link between the music and your target.

    This is a snarky, disingenuous and somewhat hollow approach.

    1. zedalis – Hillary has a habit of being whatever she needs to be. Who can forget her being a life-long Yankees fan.

    2. Zedalis – at least Romney knows that Businesses create the venue for Jobs which Hillary is too stupid to know and Romney also knows that you do not “empathize” with the enemy like say maybe we should empathize with ISIS when they are cutting off the heads of women and children or how we should have with Japan on December 7th 1941. Imagine FDR “Empathizing” and “using Smart Power” and “Showing Respect” to Japan
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/05/clinton-says-america-should-empathize-with-its-enemies/
      Of course, Hillary can’t help being stupid as people like her take it as a form of endearment.

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