POLL: Over Half Of Voters Will Not Support Trump, Cruz, or Clinton

495px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore225px-Hillary_Clinton_official_Secretary_of_State_portrait_cropA new poll
 captures just how dysfunctional our elections have become under the duopoly exercised by the two parties. Over half of the public say that they cannot support Trump, Cruz, or Clinton in the general election. Indeed, the two frontrunners, Trump and Clinton, have the highest negatives in their respective parties.  The system has produced frontrunners that 6 out of 10 voters say they cannot support.  If that is not an indictment of our current system, I am not sure what it takes to push toward reforms.

Sixty-eight percent said they cannot support Donald Trump, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz generates opposition at the level of 61 percent. Now over on the democratic side, Clinton is equally radioactive with many voters with 58 percent saying that they cannot support her. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (at 48 percent) and Ohio Gov. John Kasich (at 47 percent) seem positively popular in comparison.

The poll captures why the public is so dissatisfied with the political system. The system has generated two frontrunners with record levels of opposition for the general and states like New York bar independents from even voting in the primary. Thus, independents (who are key to the victory in November) are barred from voting — a disadvantage for candidates like Sanders who overwhelmingly wins independents over Clinton.

Once again, the two parties appear poised to win the “lesser of two evils” contest by trashing the other candidate rather than advancing a candidate that truly resonates with a broad majority of Americans.

Ironically, both Kasich and Sanders do better against the opposing frontrunners in the general election. Indeed, where Clinton would defeat Cruz by just 2 points according to the poll, Sanders would defeat him by 12 points.

I am less interested in the merits of these candidates for the purposes of this story as I am the counterintuitive position of our modern elections. The least popular candidates are most likely to prevail in this bizarre process. While some may be satisfied with this process, most Americans are clearly not happy with the choices. Yet, the view of the majority seem entirely irrelevant to this supposedly democratic process. In addition to the reforms that I proposed earlier, one obvious way to avoid such a disconnect with the public is to change rules like those in New York barring independent voters from primary choices. One would think that parties would want to advance candidates with broader support into the general. However, barring the rising number of independent voters is a way to protect incumbents and the party establishment. The result is this shocking poll.

52 thoughts on “POLL: Over Half Of Voters Will Not Support Trump, Cruz, or Clinton”

  1. Not that it mattters.
    We on the right warned and warned about Obama to no avail.

    They won’t listen about Grampa Unicorn offering free stuff or Grandma Grifter and her serial sex offender first hubby either.

  2. “What would make him a nationalist socialist?

    Communism is international socialism. No nations.
    That’s why Sanders says he’s ‘not a commie.’

    That makes him a national socialist.
    You know, Nationalsozialistische, also known as fascism.

  3. In the 1960s while a student the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    In the 1970s, Sanders founded and then chaired the left-libertarian Liberty Union Party and competed in two Senate campaigns and two gubernatorial campaigns under its banner. LUP, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.

    From SLATE:

    “In 1980, Sanders served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which was founded on the principles of Leon Trotsky. According to the New York Times, that party called for abolishing the military budget. It also called for “solidarity” with the revolutionary regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Grenada, and Cuba; this was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.”

    Bernie Sanders has been a memebr of and remains associated with Democratic Socialists of America, the country’s largest openly leftist organization.
    Sanders keynoted several DSA conferences, DSA fundraisers have raised money for him, DSA backed his 2006 Senate campaign and now, the group is actively encouraging him to run for the White House in 2016.
    DSA works closely with America’s leading communist groups – the Maoist-leaning Freedom Road Socialist Organization, the Communist Party USA and the CPUSA spin-off Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism.

    Sanders’ hero is Eugene V. Debs, a communist revolutionary. He still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

    1. Interesting how you challenged your own argument, kcf, the poster reads “Democratic socialism in a post communist world.”
      And all you did was show that bernie is, as he says, a democrat socialist…

  4. Hate to break it to you all but The Bern IS an insider. He is a career politician so please stop trying to compare him to Trump.

  5. “the main difference is that one runs on exclusion and rage while the other runs on inclusion and hope.
    Both want to include and exclude, both offer variants of hope and rage.
    Sanders is a flat out communist, who knows he’ll only get socialism with crony capitalism (i.e. national socialism), where Trump is a nationalist and a statist who has been a Democrat when it suits him and now a Republican because the Dems have tilted so far left.

    1. KCF, what makes Sanders a communist?
      What would make him a nationalist socialist?

      Sanders wants to include everyone across ethnicity, gender, means and background against the unfairness of a system that benefits the few over the many. How is that exclusion?

      Trump is the one who is claiming very clearly that there is a need to keep people out, Mexicans, Muslims…how is that inclusion?

  6. Voters are rejecting the same ole- same ole of party insiders. What Trump and Sanders have in common is that they are not insiders in the Republican and Democrat party, respectively. What they also have in common is that the party insiders in each case are doing all they can to keep the outsiders out, albeit in different ways. The Republicans are openly bad-mouthing Trump and organizing against him, including organizing for an open convention so they can nominate an insider. The Democrats are openly supporting Hillary and using the party apparatus, money, and super-delegates to bolster her campaign in an attempt to freeze out Sanders. Those with the power won’t give it up voluntarily, it has taken from them, one way or another.

    1. Well said, BK, exactly what’s happening.
      Structurally, the rep party and the dems are the same.
      Structurally, Trump and Bernie are the same…the main difference is that one runs on exclusion and rage while the other runs on inclusion and hope.
      Though we may dislike his rhetoric, Trump is serving a purpose, just as is Bernie. At the end of the day, either the people will be heard and the parties change to reflect what their adherents want, or the duopoly as we know it breaks down and hopefully allows through the cracks the rise of third, fourth and fifth parties.
      If neither happens, the revolution/civil breakdown we are working hard to ignore would happen.

  7. I think that Dolly Parton ought to run on a third party ticket. We can call the new party Big Boobs For America! This will out Dolly the Trumpster and out thump the Hillary. Cruz will be out southern yakked. Bernie can not compete with her either.

  8. “It appears the repubs are happy to lose the general election if they can ”

    Both parties are scared to death that Donald Trump will trump their damned gravy trains and make their arses work for our tax money. Their all lazy and that’s why special interests and PAC’s have paid to make laws.

    Trump will re-negotiate trade contracts and tariffs, bring American companies jobs back to America. He’ll get us off our dependence on OPEC oil.

    Trump has exposed the political parties for the corrupt deceitful underhanded dealings going on they espouse.

    He has exposed most of these politicians for what they really are and that includes Ted Cruz and John Kasich. He will destroy Hillary Clinton in the general. Sanders supporters have said they’ll vote Trump if Hillary gets the nomination.

    Trump also exposed the media, for their pro-candidate propaganda and their ability to influence the masses with it. They are very dishonest and that includes Fox News.

    Trump has turned me from a far right Republican into an Independent. He’s turned my parents from far left Democrats into Independence, which I never thought would happen . . . ever.

  9. Except for Presidential primaries, Arizona does allow independents to vote in the primary. They did not for a long time. You just have to declare which party’s ballot you want. However, this last time, to avoid having independents select their candidates, the Democrats selected their statewide candidates in a secret caucus. So it was not worth voting on the Democratic side.

    As an independent, I usually wait until the dust settles, because I don’t get to vote anyway. However, with what Cruz is doing behind Trump’s back, I could never vote for Cruz or Rubio if they were nominated. And there is no way in hell I could vote for Hillary or Bernie (one is a criminal and both are socialists). I am down to voting for Mickey Mouse again. Someday Mickey is going to be President.

  10. “It appears the repubs are happy to lose the general election if they can

    There is only one Party (national socialism), with two branches:
    Unicorn statism vs. Technocrat statism.

  11. I’m no Trump supporter, although I am not at odds with everything he says. He has become the real voice of change. I think it is very interesting how his rejection by the media and hollywood elite has been directly related to his popularity. The Trump phenomenon is more about burying the past and starting new. That is why the establishment has been against him. It appears the repubs are happy to lose the general election if they can just get rid of him and continue to call the shots. If he leads in delegates going into the convention, and the nomination gets stolen from him, the results will be interesting to say the least. He better be traveling by car from here on out.

  12. Trump, whether he’s known by his celebrity status or not, is qualified to run for president. He’s more qualified than the community Muslim dictator we have in the White House now.

    Ronald Reagan also ran on his celebrity status, as an actor and he was one of the best presidents in this century.

    I don’t trust these polls, as they do not state what geographical area or party they come from. Last one came from a majority of Democrats.

    Cruz said he’ll take money from anyone and that puts him in the pay to play category, like Clinton.

    Kasich is taking money from George Soros and that says he’s a disrupter, just like his donor.

    Sanders is a socialist and that says it all.

    Trump is FUNDING his own campaign, and that means no one is controlling his speech. That makes him authentic.

    I want a mean azz take no prisoners man with kahones in the White House. Tired of these wimps and politically correct apologetic types.

    There’s much to be fixed and I know Trump can do it and he’s been proving his executive talents since he was 27 yrs old.

  13. What Prof. Turkey wrote, although I’m as concerned with the merits of each candidate as much as the process.

    As for the merits, Hillary’s bought and paid for and the bombing will begin in five minutes. She’s got that in common with her Republican brethren. Bernie’s the only working person’s choice from these two corrupted parties.

    I choose to avoid the corruption by voting for Jill.

    Each state should have the same election rules as the other in a federal election, and no party should be permitted to give any person more voting power than another.

    1. Folks, did I hear right? Did Spinelli just advocate for a coup?
      Is this the same dude who accuses any dissenter of hating America?
      I am sure I misread!

  14. I’m sorry, but I do not agree. I don’t want this government taking my last line of personal protection away from me. I don’t even currently have a gun. What else do you need to hear about the world situation to think our government is going to protect you?? At the very least they are planning more bloodshed in Syria and trying to start WWIII along the Russian border. None of which has anything to do with the well-being of outside of I-495 Americans.

  15. Trump was able to exploit his celebrity status and the large number of Republican candidates to win plurality votes. He could not win one on one matchups versus Kasich, or Rubio, or even Cruz. The Clinton funding ecosystem used its leverage in the Democratic Party to rig the game so that no one else could win after the surprising nomination of Obama in 2008.

  16. Duopoly, shmuopoly, we live in an oligarchy. Two parties would be fine, even if it was only one more than a dictatorship. However, we don’t have the luxury of a real democracy. Our representatives are chosen by money, controlled by money, and special interests. Reflect on that gang called the NRA and the formula is obvious. 80% of the people polled want more and stricter gun control laws, yet none of the spineless, theoretically elected, puppets will vote for it. The only thing running America today is its momentum. In other words, America is resting upon its laurels. The big question is for how long and if Americans are that evolved and smart as they think they are to remove money and special interests from the democratic process. If they can, there will soon be changes for the better, at least four parties, and something more akin to what our peer nations enjoy. Until then, well, we’re number one……….

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