TRUMP ACCUSES THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OF USING FISA TO WIRETAP TRUMP TOWER

donald_trump_president-elect_portrait_croppedPresident Donald Trump has again triggered a tsunami with a series of tweets.  Trump went to his favorite device to accuse his predecessor, Barack Obama, of wiretapping Trump Tower.  “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory.  Various news outlets have noted that Breitbart just ran a story on the use or attempted use of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to investigate connections to Russian banks.  The story was covering allegations voiced by radio host Mark Levin.

The first tweet stated “Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” Trump threatened that  “I’d bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!”

“Terrible!” Trump tweeted. “Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!”

I have previously stated that Trump’s use of twitter is not as shocking as many have suggested given the long-standing effort of presidents to use new technology to speak directly to the American people.  However, such communications should not take on the character of stream of conscious thoughts or issues that should be first fully examined by aides or counsel. It is also problematic for a president to discuss FISA targets which are highly classified.  Thus, it is a rather odd for a president to opine  “Is it legal for a sitting President to be “wire tapping” a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!”

The President has access not just to Breitbart but classified evidence including any and all FISA applications.  (For full disclosure, I had occasion to go to the FISA court when I was an intern with the NSA and later became a critic of the court).  The problem with the President’s question is that the standards for FISA are so low and easily satisfied (with little judicial review) that it is difficult to establish any illegality under the law.

Passed in 1978 as a compromise with the Nixon Administration, FISA allows for “foreign intelligence” surveillance and was designed to evade the fourth amendment protections governing the use of warrants.  FISA surveillance is permitted based on a finding of probable cause that the surveillance target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. That is manifestly different from probable cause to believe someone has committed a crime.   It is true that, if the target is a “U.S. person,” there must be probable cause to believe that the U.S. person’s activities may involve espionage or other similar conduct in violation of the criminal statutes of the United States.  However, citizens can be collateral to the primary target under FISA.

In 1994 Congress extended FISA further to allow for covert physical entries in connection with “security” investigations, and then in 1998, it was amended to permit pen/trap orders. It has been used to gather business records.

There is provisions stating that a U.S. person cannot be surveilled  “solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.” Thus, if Trump aides were targeted for political reasons, the surveillance would be unlawful even under the dubious protections of FISA.  There are also minimization provisions designed to excise collateral or protected communications.

Notably, the tweet is likely to take over this news cycle just as the Administration was about to release the long-delayed Executive Order on immigration.  As I previously discussed,  a senior aide is being quoted as saying that it will be delayed again to guarantee that the order “has its own moment.”  Of course, an executive order is not like some debutante that longs for its own moment like a coming out party at Mardi Gras.  It is intended to protect national security and the “moment” (according to the government’s own filing) has already passed.  However, whatever moment was being waited for, it may not come with this latest controversy.

I do consider the allegation of the prior Administration taping Trump Tower to be a matter of great concern but it depends on who was the target.  Watergate after all involved an illegal break in and completely unlawful use of surveillance targeting political opponents. If true, this was done through a legal process.  That does not make it right of course.  Trump is correct that, if true, this should be a matter for investigation.  The government should show considerable restraint in targeting political opponents. The Trump Tower was well-known to be the nerve center of the Trump campaign.  However, we still do not know how the surveillance was tailored, if it was requested or granted.

 

300 thoughts on “TRUMP ACCUSES THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OF USING FISA TO WIRETAP TRUMP TOWER

    • Interesting link, thanks! (and BTW, I’m very sorry if I messed up what you were trying to get at the other day)

      A snippet from your link above:

      […] In any case, while Democrats have accused Trump of fabricating his accusation that Obama bugged the president’s phones to deflect from the media’s full court press to suggest that Trump’s aides had ties to Russia, it now appears that Trump is pushing back with demands of a similar probe, focusing on alleged “executive power violations” by Obama. While it is unclear how far either probe will go, the stakes have suddenly soared, escalating to the very top with either the current or the former president finding themselves with much to lose, if the other side’s accusations are confirmed.

      Yikes!

      Related,

      Paul Jay, on Real News Network expresses the opinion that between Trump and Obama, there are actually two competing oligarchies.

      Meanwhile, the Intercept has an article by Jon Schwarz, If Trump Tower Was Wiretapped, Trump Can Declassify That Right Now

      Besides the obvious point that is made in the title of the article, Schwarz goes on to point out that there is actually precedent for a US President, in that case Lyndon Johnson, using US Intellegence to spy on the activities of a political opponent: Tricky Dick. It turns out,

      During the 1968 contest between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon, President Lyndon Johnson was attempting to negotiate a peace deal to end the Vietnam War.

      Nixon was worried that if this happened just before the election it would help Humphrey, who was Johnson’s vice president. Recently discovered notes by one of Nixon’s top campaign aides show that Nixon asked him to “monkey wrench” the peace talks. Via Anna Chennault, a top Republican fundraiser, the Nixon campaign sent messages to the government of South Vietnam not to go along with Johnson’s plans.

      Oh what a wicked web we weave…

      • I should have continued. So Lyndon Johnson,

        […] ordered the FBI to wiretap the embassy of South Vietnam in Washington, which picked up Ambassador Bui Diem communicating with Chennault. (Presidents could and did directly order wiretaps prior to the establishment of the FISA court in 1978 to prevent executive branch abuses of its surveillance power.) The FBI also began conducting general surveillance of Chennault.

        Ultimately, Johnson decided not to use the information (for both good and bad reasons) and Nixon won.

        During Nixon’s time in office, 20,000 more U.S. soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese died before the war finally ended.

        • Hi BB,

          You didn’t mess it up. I’m just not certain if we are actually seeing two different coup factions or one coup,, called by two different names.

          This is an excellent post on past presidential bugging for political purposes. To add– Kennedy, like Nixon, recorded conversations. wikileaks has an extensive list of Obama spying on his enemies and “friends” at their twitter feed. One example was bugging the UN climate change talks.

          I’m curious as to why Trump doesn’t declassify and publicly make available his evidence. There are obviously wheels within wheels going on here. One thing is clear to me. None of these people care one whit about our nation. They are all disgraceful war criminals and mass surveillance junkies.

      • The difference is the socialists (formerly demcrats) USED to have enough to get elected on their own while President Trump relies heavily on the 40% that voted against Hitlery and the left wing extremist fascists AND voted for full reinstatement of the Constitution They have an uphill climb and are still jumping off cliffs The Constitutional Coalition has the ultimate power of the citizens. Now he’s just seeing to getting done what WE want done and the socialist left can go screw themselves. If it wasn’t for the media they couldn’t raise enough to pay a parking ticket.

      • Was that Intercept article written by Juan Thompson or one of his leftist fake news buddies? NEVER trust lying fake news. Wise up!

  1. Folks tend to forget. Although he has disowned his imploding hometown, Chicago is no holds barred politics. Obama used the NSA to bug and hack reporters and he would do it to a hated political opponent. It’s the Chicago way.

    • BO has no aptitude for Chicago politics, which is labor intensive, requires good people skills, and has as its focus detail matters which have a palpable impact on people’s lives. A precinct captain once said of Richard J. Daley, “He met you once, he remember you forever”. Not a description of BO. Richard Daley was married in 1936. He and his wife had by 1939 managed to built a house in the Bridgeport section of Chicago. They made some additions to it over the years, but they never moved and took no interest in occupying an official residence during his time as mayor. There were two concessions to his status: he was chauffered to work in the morning and a (single) police officer was stationed outside his house.

      • Good stuff, DSS. He was Willie Stark.
        “And what we students of history always learn is that the human being is a very complicated contraption and that they are not good or bad but are good and bad and the good comes out of the bad and the bad out of the good, and the devil take the hindmost.”
        ― Robert Penn Warren, All the King’s Men

        • Who, Mayor Daley? Willie Stark was inspired by Huey Long (to a degree – the configuration of the Long family bore little resemblance to that of the fictional Stark family). Mayor Daley and Long could hardly have been more dissimilar.

            • Mayor Daley? He was a practitioner of conventional patron-client politics. He wasn’t much of a public speaker. James Michael Curley was given to a certain amount of ethnic demagogy. Daley’s approach to politics was attuned to the worldview and modes of association that urban wage-earners tended to have, so was ‘populist’ in that vague sense.

      • NS and Mesopo,

        All telephone calls to foreign government agencies originating in the US are recorded by the FBI and CIA.

        Unfortunately, people that should know don’t.

        I made a few phone calls to a foreign embassy. I had HSA calling.

      • Don’t make me laugh too hard now….

        That does it, if there is a discredited affirmative action polemicist propagandist Democratic party operative, it is Blow.

        LOL I’ll pick sides just to be opposite his mess of a ”side”.

        Tho the truth is, if the political class, all “sides” of the sodden bed, would commit to fatal bloodletting and put it on Pay Per View, I’d get to a sports bar to watch it on a mega screen. And laugh.

        • Keep on laughing because Trump got his intelligence information from crazed radio talk show host Mark Levin You won’t here anymore about from them. Trump wants to bury it.

          • oh stop. Hardly news what generated Trump’s tweet. His tweets, imo, are directed at his base.

            I care little about that conversation, I observe he is adept at holding on to that base. Other than that….

        • As long as it come down equally for example letting idiotic comments such as John Dean and highly respected slide or trying to defend Davis Bacon as anything more than a money laundering scheme.

  2. Well, Trump is now causing not only a vast bleed of taxpayer dollars to fund his weekend jaunts to Palm Beach with him now surpassing what Obama spent in ONE YEAR, he is also causing collateral damage with aviation schools and airports in the surrounding areas. They are now shut down completely because of the TFR during their most busy period on the weekends. At least there is some rough justice or karma since many if not most of those folks voted for our liar in chief. They got what they wished for! Too bad they did not think before they voted. I guess that all of our conservative folks here will help out their cause and their President by voting to upgrade Air Force One to make it more suitable for Trump by installing gold fixtures on board to make it equal to what his personal plane has. I also remember that when Obama took office, ALL of conservatives were blasting him for going to a Broadway show in NYC! Of course, spending more than Obama did in one year on such trips is perfectly OK for our LEADER of the FREE WORLD! Once again such silence shows the depths of their own corruption and lack of principle.

    • randyjet:

      What do think about Trump’s haircut? We bought that, too, and that’s equally as important as defending freedom, keeping out illegals, lowering taxes, creating jobs and on and on. You got a keen view of the rotting elm leaf while the rest of the forest flourishes.

      • Job creation? Boeing laying off 1800 workers, Keystone was represented to be using US steel in the pipeline.

        Guess what, no US steel will be used and 1800 jobs lost. Great start of job creation Mr Trump.

        • webster:
          We created 246,000 jobs in January.: “2017 got off to a strong start in the job market. Job growth is solid across most industries and company sizes,” Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, said in a statement accompanying the report. “Even the energy sector is adding to payrolls again.”https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-02-01/manufacturing-and-mining-rebound-as-economy-generates-246-000-january-jobs
          You really need to get the internet. LOL

          • You know what they say about government accountability. Not very good in the Job market. Not taken into account the numbers that dropped off of the rolls.

          • and all because the left wing socialists got booted out. Typically they try to take credit for what they could nt envision much less do in eight years. I’s called market capitalism.

        • and you of course have some facts etc. to back that up? Well when BS of the day doesn’t work try another handful of leftist crap. Do you know why leftists can’t be USA Citixens? Because it required agreeing to a social contract and our version doesn’t meet their marxist leninist requirements.

          Besides who would socialize with them?

  3. You can’t make DDT have rational logic Mr Trump.

    Now the AC wants congress to investigate Obama, another distraction for people easily distracted by shiny objects.

    Mr Trump, run the country, atop the circle the wagons approached. Do your job you are elected to do.

    DDT encouraged the Russian to hack into the DNC. And his administration was having private meetings with the Russian.

    I am not surprised by anything Trump will say or do. He is such a sore loser.

    Just like people have said, keep your hands to yourself and your words to a minimum. You are disgracing the OoP and the US by your delusions.

    • As a Spin Doctor you wouldn’t rate passing grades for pre-med. Same old tired Carvillisms spouted by those too stupid to think for themselves. Is it true the new leftist salute is Seig Heil Reichsfuhrer Moore or was that just unwarranted enthusiasm for the FAT boy?

      As Moore himself said he gets to make a new movie and become again, a multi millionaire off the stupidity of the left.

      • Do “Shiny Baubles ” make you feel happy?

        I would much rather deal with an known atheist than a self proclaimed Christian.

        It’s called what you can prove.

        • Now you are violating the 1st ‘Amendment what makes you think I am atheiest (not true) or Christian?

          At least not in the sense of the Christian Socialist which is an oxymoron.

          Nor any other branch your limited education can list. 300 plus versions. Go for it? Hint we are the only one that are not allowed to proselytize……

          • You know, you want to know about the people around you. It’s a self proving statement. You have proved the basic element.

    • B ut you use their language so it’s some form of something very close. Or do you just let them program you every day like a good little collective clone.

  4. For people not aware, if the refrigerator is working properly, it’s true that the light goes off when the door is closed.

  5. Mr. Turley,

    I cannot believe how you defend the current occupant of the White House. He is out of control. He is reckless with the things that he says publicly. His actions are reminiscent of a “shock-jock” radio host like Howard Stern.

    John Dean’s opinion piece about Trump last Friday was spot on.

    Why do you continue to defend this reckless president?

    • Because hie is an AMERICAN and Constitutionalist. Not a totalitarian autocratrist. John Dean? That POS (propagandist or something)

    • As a former client of Prof. Turley in a lawsuit brought by a number of forcibly ‘retired” pilots, I have to admit that I am quite disappointed in the direction he has taken with this blog. I rather liked the old days here when real legal matters were the main point, and there were a lot of well informed, and reasoned guest writers. Most of those are gone now, and this is just a rightwing nut site. He doesn’t even clarify the ramifications of Trump’s accusations and only mentions the FISA courts and their lax standards. He even gives some credence to Trump’s accusation DESPITE the FACT that Trump has a long history of making such false statements. That means that Obama violated the law by ordering the DoJ to bug Trump’s phones, a criminal act by the way. That also means that Comey followed those orders which he knew to be illegal. Then it also means that if a warrant was granted, that the FBI had reason to think Trump and/or his staff were breaking US law. Yet nothing from the good Prof on all of these implications. Now we are finding out that this was just Trump being his normal lying self and we should move on! Incredible.

  6. In the words of Senator Ron Wyden:

    Either FBI is talking to the subject of an investigation or Trump is making it up. Either way, Americans deserve [an] explanation.

    • Having some close up knowledge of Comrade Wyden…….another to be expected idiot remark. No one has the right to know what is going on in an investigation except the investigators and their immediate oversight.

      • I follow this source myself and it ‘was commented on back when. First of all as you skim through it and then read slowly it’s full of opinion short on facts. Second Dean is hardly a reputable source and heavily weighted to the left. Thirdly the most glaring error is ‘our Democracy.’ It’s not a democracy it’s a Constitutional republic with a base of representative democratic principles It’s not yours. We took it away from you Nov 8th.

        But at least you did one thing right. We can confirm Justia as one of the sources of secular regressive programming for all the clone collectives. I always like to have more than one piece of evidence on those sorts of things.

        No wonder you sign ‘Anon’ “same old radical reasoning based the finest writings of Marxist Leninism.

        Great job it filled in some blanks in constant testing we objectivists demand

        • Mr. Dean is a highly reputable source on Watergate, the motivations on why government officials leak to the press, and 45’s disastrous press relations.

          Mr. Dean lived it, in 1972-74. I remember the congressional impeachment hearings against Nixon. Nixon’s resignation came not from the impeachment hearings, but from the leaked documents of his tax returns of 1969 and 1970.

          FISA was the outcome of Nixon’s tyrannical behaviors during Watergate, as POTUS.

          If all you have are ad hominem attacks on me, Mr. Dean, and you believe the drivel pouring out of 45’s twitter feed then all I can say is – good grief.

          FWIW: constitutional representative governance is both a republic and a democracy, in case you missed civics classes too.

          • Mr. Dean is a highly reputable source on Watergate, the motivations on why government officials leak to the press, and 45’s disastrous press relations.

            He is not. Dean has contended for decades that he begged off knowing anything about Gordon Liddy’s activities at the beginning of 1972 and that he was guilty only of obstruction of justice re activities which occurred after 19 June 1972 (when he returned from a vacation abroad). Gordon Liddy, Gordon Strachan, and Jeb Magruder have all contradicted this contention. Liddy in particular has said they burgled the Watergate complex to garner information that Dean (and no other party) had specifically requested be located.

    • John Dean was the counsel to the president from 1970 to 1973. Prior to that he was a third echelon official of the Department of Justice, reporting to Richard Kleindienst. Prior to that he was one of the minority staff counsel on the House Judiciary Committee. Prior to that, he was an associate at a communications law firm in Washington, a position from which he was fired for cause in February 1966, about a year after he’d been admitted to the bar. He had the most undistinguished legal career of anyone who has held the position of counsel to the president in the last 40-odd years, had by age 34 been dismissed from two jobs for misconduct, and has (per Gordon LIddy) been lying for 40 years about his precise role in the Watergate scandal (a contention re there is some evidence from other sources). He’s never worked in public relations at all, has no background whatsoever in electoral politics, and has never said much that was perspicacious. Exactly why is this of interest.

  7. I would not be one bit surprised if the Tower was bugged. I would also bet that Hillary Clinton and her Evil Minions had copies of Trump’s tax returns courtesy of their operatives in the government. Why would anyone ever doubt that all the spying and privacy rule-skirting is widespread?

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    • Of course Trump Tower is bugged. Do you know who the people are that Trump sells those 15 million dollar condos to? Russian mafia members, oligarchs and many other foreign nationals with shady connections. BTW, Marla Maples released her co-signed taxes.

  8. The Trouble With Clapper’s Denial of Trump Surveillance

    March 5, 2017

    Daniel Greenfield

    The media is rushing forward with all sorts of careful lawyerly denials of wiretapping from Obama’s people. The biggest one comes from James Clapper.

    Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Sunday denied any suggestion that Trump Tower communications were wiretapped before the election.

    For the part of the national security apparatus that he oversaw, “there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign,” Clapper told Chuck Todd in an exclusive interview on Sunday’s “Meet The Press.”

    This carefully leaves out wiretaps of his associates. It also emphasizes Trump in the political sphere rather than the business or personal one.

    When Todd asked him whether he could confirm or deny if a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act) order for this existed, Clapper declared, “I can deny it.”

    Asked again whether there was a FISA Court order to monitor Trump Tower, Clapper said, “Not to my knowledge.”

    Clapper said that if any wiretap like that occurred, he would “certainly hope” that he would be aware of it.

    “I can’t speak for other authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity,” he added.

    So this is a very careful denial/non-denial. But here, as Andrew McCarthy laid out, is the key point about this. It was a request, not an order.

    In June, the Obama Justice Department submitted an application that apparently “named” Trump in addition to some of his associates. As I have stressed, it is unclear whether “named” in this context indicates that Trump himself was cited as a person the Justice Department was alleging was a Russian agent whom it wanted to surveil. It could instead mean that Trump’s name was merely mentioned in an application that sought to conduct surveillance on other alleged Russian agents. …

    In any event, the FISA court reportedly turned down the Obama Justice Department’s request, which is notable: The FISA court is notoriously solicitous of government requests to conduct national-security surveillance (although, as I’ve noted over the years, the claim by many that it is a rubber-stamp is overblown).

    Not taking no for an answer, the Obama Justice Department evidently returned to the FISA court in October 2016, the critical final weeks of the presidential campaign. This time, the Justice Department submitted a narrowly tailored application that did not mention Trump. The court apparently granted it, authorizing surveillance of some Trump associates.

    This was out there in mainstream media reporting.

    Clapper denies the order, but he doesn’t deny that a request was made. These are the same word games that we were getting from the Hillary campaign.

  9. It is all going to come crashing down on Obama, Hillary, Bubba, Lynch and others in the intelligence community. I can smell the flop sweat.

    • I always thought Obama politicized the DOJ. In so doing, he made the illegal investigation of James Rosen possible. Now we have the allegation that Obama’s DOJ requested surveillance on Trump. It shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand as some here have suggested. Let’s investigate it and I bet Lynch and Obama are at the bottom of it. Sadly James Comey might be a casualty of this political war.

      • First off why this is listed as reply to mespo 727272 instead of Jill is indeed a mystery but the program continues to do this sort of mis-reply function

        Jill….(and Mespo for info)

        You cah’t attack something that doesn’t exist. I am more concerned with the continued mischaracterization and to be blunt the straght up falsehood about ‘our democracy’ myth. That may exist in the fairy tali other worldliness of mysticism you all seem to live in but there is NO SUCH THING.

        We are A Constitutional Republic WITH a base or foundation of representative democratic principles and that’s. as close as you can take it.

        Show me in the Constitution where it says ‘my democacy.’ You all sound like were raised and ill educated in one of the Peoples Democratic Republics of Lower Slobovia Welcome to the DDR. and We serve the party crap.

        No evidence? Perhasps because once again the left decided to change the definitions. It’s Fourth Branch of Government or the scientfic administration system Deep State is a new term I reckon being used to provided them cover.

        IRS, Bureau of Land Management, all the Fourth Branch of Government put in place by FDR and given totalitarian and are embedded within the legal braqnches of government is all it means.

        There is no ‘our democracy’ if you want one use the one tool that will provide it. An Amenment to the Constitution. Just bleating the words will not make it happen you have to get off your couch potato ass and DO it.

        Until then you are in a social contract by your own choosing of citizens and a Consitutional Republic. Period.

    • “The discovery of the Trump Tower private Russian server, however, communicating with Alfa Bank, changed matters, sources report.

      To further complicate the story, the FISA warrant was allegedly granted in part because of the involvement of Vladimir Putin’s own daughters. One is married to a senior official at Gazprom, where Carter Page and Paul Manafort reportedly have holdings; another to Kirill Shamalov, a banking official.

      The fact that the alleged warrant was a FISA warrant is itself significant. The court exists to grant warrants to examine cases concerned with Foreign Intelligence.

      Pursuant to FISA, the Court entertains applications submitted by the United States Government for approval of electronic surveillance, physical search, and other investigative actions for foreign intelligence purposes. Most of the Court’s work is conducted ex parte as required by statute, and due to the need to protect classified national security information.”

      “sources report, allegedlygranted, reportedly have holdings, alleged warrant, court entertains applications and a description of what that court does.”

      Where’s the meat? Starting with that first line…..My computer routinely communicates with sources all over the world on daily financial information. So?

      • There is no conspiracy and the world trade towers were not blown up by internal explosives HOWEVER there is valid doubt on the veracity of the Warren report based on factual evidence.

        To what end is unknown but no one can take an off the self POS Carcano bolt action and shoot three rounds in that time frame with that much accuracy. Therefore three rounds weren’t fired and one was an echo perhaps (conjecture) or three were fired but not by one shooter (conjecture) and certainly not by one who barely qualified at the lowest level required – marksman. That alone and the refusal to accept information for consideratin puts doubt on the Warren Report.

        i raise that just as a well known example of how important facts, thinking, and reason are including the Trade Tower situation.

        And all three examples at the level of who won the election. Last I looked it was 55% Trump 45% Clinton electoral vote count. NOTHING else matters. Everything else since is based on an inability to face reality.

          • The FBI did too but it took them near twenty years. First the weapon has to be gone over by a competent gunsmith. The one used in Dallas was a standard out of the warehouse $19.95 or $29.95 Italian Carcano imported by InterArmCol, Sam Cummings ouitfit of 10 Prince Street Alexandria VA and through Klein’s of Chicago. i worked for them a short time between college and the Army.and we tried it just moving the cycling the action and trigger pull and based on that and no evidence of a tune up on the actual one used do NOT believe it The Carcano was the biggest piece of junk in the inventory and we had every thing made in WWII on hand.

            Based on the timing from the Zapruder film I still don’t believe it.

            Barely qualifying in the Marine Corps didn’t make him a likely candidate for puliing off a mechanical/hand eye coordination miracle.

            The commission itself left too many stones unturned

            A lot of the rest such as coincidence of death of witnesses I don’t give much credence too. But tteir were a huge amount of coincidences.

            I’ll stick to facts of personal knowledge and testing.

  10. Wow. It must be freewheeling conspiracy night. Everyone needs to get a grip. Nobody bugged Trump. Therefore, there is no evidence to discover. He is not under attack by the “Deep State” or the Trilateral Commission or even the Knights of Columbus. He may be looking under his bed every night, but from the comments I’ve read, so are half the people on this thread.

    I don’t know whether this Presidency will survive an entire term, but if it doesn’t, Mr. Trump will have only himself to blame. In the meantime, I don’t plan on losing any sleep over it.

    • Thanks for contributing nothing to what was from the beginning nothing. Better grasp of the language and grammar though. But with nothing to say hardly worth your precious sleep time.

    • Mike A – the FBI wants the DoJ to say it didn’t happen, but they are keeping mum. I think they keep a list of those FISA warrants someplace.

  11. Mike A.,

    How do you know Trump wasn’t wiretapped? Basically, we know from whistleblowers, that everyone is under surveillance. Wikileaks points out numerous instances of Obama tapping both foreign and domestic world leaders. Obama has tapped the phone lines of friends and family of reporters whom he also had tapped. Obama tapped and had killed via drone at least 3 US citizens. This it what it means to live under a surveillance state.

    As to a deep state attack. Many people have laid out very good evidence of this occurring, including Greenwald and others. The deep state is not so much attacking Trump as it is attacking our democracy. How can you not be concerned?

    (see Greenwald’s twitter for links to multiple analysis of the deep state)

    • I could write a very lengthy response, but it’s quite late so I’ll be succinct. I view Mr. Trump as unworthy of belief on virtually any issue.

      • NIce story….but it’s only a story or to be more exact the germ of an idea and no facts or evidence offered as usual . One thing for sure …..you are no Tom Clancy. Don’t give up your day job.

      • Mike A.,

        That’s a very poor answer from some one as intelligent as yourself. Of course Trump is a liar. Obama is a liar. Comey is a liar. Clapper is a liar. Documents leaked from the govt. by wikileaks and Snowden are original sources. Surely you have read at least some of them. I’m sorry their content does not concern you as a citizen because mass surveillance should concern everyone who values our Constitution.

        • Mass surveillance has been a fact of life for a long time.

          Nothing new there. Start with cell radioi iphones especially those with GPS. They can be turned on by an exterior signal UNLESS the battery is out and if there is a camera it’s all open to copying. Locatioin and time at location etc. all available . funny thing is when the embedded microchip was proposed the uproar was tremendous but then everyone did it voluntarily and buy their own .

          The rules on broad cast or through the air is covered by a law in effect since the 1930’s That type of communication has been open to monitoring since those days and interfering with the signals audio or video etc. banned since then. Which means the neat little NASA (a company in England) device blocks all cell radio transmissions and reception in a 25 to 50 radius. ILLEGAL in the USA. No warrants are needed.

          Communication by wire or fiber optic does require warrant of some type. However very few converations can be made without being transmitted tower to tower or using satellites.AND no warrant is required if the signal originates in, transits, or ends having crossed an internatinal border incuding the legal altitude.

          There are warrants out that are used to sift for certain words and word combinations but even if they cheat which the new complex in Utah can do without detection it’s a case of getting the information and then not saying how it was acquired.

          Given the monumntal disinterest by the public you’ll have an easier time reinstating the Bill of Rights and civil rights or electing a Democrat than getting more than a ho hum on mass surveillance. Just don’t use words like bomb, explosives, assassination etc. etc.

          which brings me to the internet. Wide open. Very few wire to twire installations in existence.

          What helps is turning items off when not in use.For cell radio phones that means removing the battery just and using tracphones for starters and when you are done leave it on and toss it on an interstate truck or bus. . For most it’s not worth the effort. Since the other end of the conversation can be monitored.

          No need to be paranoid. You are being surveilled

          Did I mention all the street cameras?

    • Why do I more than doubt you? Your insistence on referrng to our country as ‘our democracy.’ Saying it does not make it rure and that goes for Greenwald. Better than most but we are still a Constitutional Republic. Whatever axe your grinding remains ….dull.

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