We have previously discussed how Clinton has blamed self-hating women, the Russians, and a long list of reasons for her loss . . . except for herself. Despite losing the virtually unloseable election to Donald Trump, Clinton continues to be celebrated by Democratic insiders in speeches and continues to blame others for her historic loss. That campaign was in full view this week with Clinton’s appearance at the annual Code Conference in Rancho Palos Verdes, California. Clinton continues to evade tough questions about her own conduct while giving the false impression of taking responsibility. This week she crafted a truly Clintonesque line: “I take responsibility for every decision I made, but that’s not why I lost.” In other words, I take no responsibility. As many on this blog know, I have been very critical of Trump but I have no more patience with Clinton or the establishment figures who brought about this historic loss. All of these groups celebrating Clinton ignore the fact that Trump could not possibly have succeeded without her — and the effort of virtually every national Democratic leader to guarantee her nomination.
As we discussed earlier, Clinton’s magical mystery tour after the election is designed to avoid blame for herself and the Democratic establishment which largely engineered her selection. We are still waiting for a serious post-election interview of Clinton. Carefully selected interviewers never ask about any of the scandals that plagued Clinton or the fact that she was one of the least popular politicians in the country or that she magnified these problems by refusing to turn over her Wall Street speeches. They also do not ask why Clinton remained so close in the polls against someone so polarizing as Trump. Finally, when Clinton refers to her controversies as causing the loss, she is never asked about the fact that Trump faced endless such controversies at the same time but still prevailed against her. Trump faced unrelentingly bad press and, in comparison, Clinton had overwhelmingly positive (and at times openly supportive) coverage. Yet Trump prevailed against her. As David Axelrod said this week, “it took a lot of work to lose to Donald Trump.”
The show was in full display in the latest speech. The Clintons however have continued to evolve in their blaming of others. Within minutes of the loss on election night, Clinton aides began to spin the loss and entirely the fault of FBI Director James Comey — a spin picked up by Clinton herself the next day. Many of us have questioned that spin in light of Clinton’s long-standing low polls on truthfulness and her ranking as (with Trump) the most unpopular nominee of a major party for the presidency. Now however it is the Russians who stole the election from Clinton (who could not get serious distance from the most unpopular presidential candidate in history due to her own low polling). Accordingly, after claiming that she would take responsibility, Clinton immediately denied any responsibility: “The overriding issue that affected the election that I had any control over — because I had no control over the Russians — was the way the use of my email account was turned into the greatest scandal since Lord knows when. This was the biggest ‘nothing burger’ ever.”
There are a couple of obvious problems with this spin of course. First, Clinton’s use of a personal server did compromise security and was widely denounced. Despite her denials, classified emails were sent to her personal server. Second, Clinton and her supporters still struggle with the fact that the key emails cited in the election were true. They were not fake. So they are still trying to get voters upset that hackers revealed false statements by Clinton and high ranking officials. They are supposed to be disgusted that anyone allowed them to see emails that directly contradicted what they were being told.
I have previously said that the Russian hacking warrants comprehensive investigation, even though our county is notorious for such hacking and influencing of elections. It is a serious matter if the Russians selectively hacked Clinton’s emails to try to influence the election. However, I do not believe that the hacking was the reason that she lost. More importantly, the Clintons continue to avoid discussing the misrepresentations disclosed
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How was I to know?
She was with the Russians too.
Above comment was a response to INlegaleagle
Jesus, what is with the marinating in your miserable bloody post-election autopsy. Trump worked his ass off, and ran circles around every career politician in modern history, to EARN this position. He continues to work his ass off while lazy and entitled liberals continue with their lazy entitled temper tantrums. Obama was lazy and entitled. Hillary was lazy and entitled. Their ‘lazy and entitled’ is in-your-face on display every.single.day since the election. Stop over thinking this nonsense. “Normal” Americans chose a scrappy inarticulate street fighter builder from Brooklyn over the lazy entitled globalist progressives. It is not complicated.
Trump was a child of privilege.
He’s a capable businessman. Being born upper class is no guarantee of your ability.
Hillary grew up in an affluent family, who had the means to finance and education at a swank private college and a private research university. (Perhaps 11% of those who obtain a baccalaureate degree get one at one or the other sort of institution). Bernie Sanders grew up in the common-and-garden bourgeoisie, affluent enough that they could swing a berth for him at the University of Chicago. Ted Cruz grew up in an intermittently affluent family (they had multiple reversals of fortune though, as well as a stormy marriage). Gary Johnson’s family was common-and-garden middle class (both parents civil service). Jill Stein grew up in a handsome suburb of Chicago and attended Harvard Medical School. The working-class kids running were Marco Rubio and John Kasich.
The man was most privileged to be handed a stellar work ethic – it was the best thing any parent – rich, middle, or poor – can proffer to their offspring. He did not fritter it away. He has worked every day for 50 + years and, like every one of us, has realized some successes and some failures. He kept working. He never quits. He parlayed his opportunities and good fortune. How about simply learning the lesson in that?
Thank-you! At least there is one other person on the planet that can see the forest for the trees. Trump won, Hillary lost, time to get over it. The world is experiencing chaos, Western Europe has fallen to Islam. Stop blaming the Russians. The “Russians” that are ruining America are the ones who took over American universities in the 60’s. Look what has been happening there. I doubt America can continue as one country when so many would rather see Trump fail than America win. He campaigned on many issues that are important to Americans. That is why he won.
INlegaleagle, thank you! “Scrappy inarticulate street fighter builder from Brooklyn” was EXACTLY what we wanted, and voted for. Of course the Establishment is furious. This totally turns over their apple cart.
In another few months (I’m guessing 6) they will have to relinquish the stupid Russian collusion nonsense, and most of the leftists will be exhausted by their constant spewing of hate. Maybe then our leaders in government can enact some decent tax and trade reforms, and do something about our crumbling infrastructure.
Well, I can dream, can’t I?
Democrats somehow became a little too comfortable with maintaining rigid social stratification as opposed to principle and a sense of karma before getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
It’s Russia’s fault, of course, if it isn’t Comey’s. That’s why shameless Hillary Clinton lost the election by supporting empire (including the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, and regime change), fracking, the TPP, bringing blacks to heel, using the White House as a Trump-style business tool, and her own impunity. She’s as conservative politically as career politicians come but for a vote-getting spritz of opportunistic social empathy that enough of us saw through to change the heir apparent’s destiny.
With their shift right, it comes as absolutely no surprise that Democrats remain unrepentant.
There is no failure in Washington. Podesta and Mook ran the worst campaign in history. As Axelrod correctly noted, “it took a lot of work to lose to Trump”. HRC had almost twice as much money as Trump; the Silicon Valley oligarchs backed her; every CEO oligarch who made a public endorsement endorsed her; all the swells who write op-eds endorsed her; everybody in academia endorsed her; the swamp creatures enthusiastically went for her as Trump got only 4% of the vote in Washington, DC. All the beautiful enlightened people who benefit from the establishment status quo were on her side.
The only people who were not with her were the average people without political connections and power.
Yet Podesta and Mook will be rewarded for this epic failure. They will be continue to earn six or seven figure incomes. I bet she herself was paid handsomely to exhale in this room despite going down in history as perhaps the only person who could lose to the host of Celebrity Apprentice.
Since she won the popular vote by three million some average people must have been with her or do you think Trump Kushner Goldman duped every single average voter?.
Read harder. I thought I was pretty clear. I said HRC had virtually the entire establishment who benefits from the status quo backing her. Trump had almost no establishment backing. Ergo, the people who propelled Trump to victory had to be the average people without political connections and power. I never said he got ALL Of them. You fallaciously introduced that concept in a lame attempt to defend your failed candidate.
My larger point is that there is no penalty for failure in Washington. Despite being perhaps the only person in the country who could lose to the host of Celebrity Apprentice she is once again on the speech circuit separating people from their money. And the geniuses who engineered her failed campaign are unlikely to suffer a large decline in their income or status for that epic failure. Just as it is wrong for corporate CEOs to get rewarded with enormous pay packages when they get fired, it is wrong for politicians and their strategists, consultants, and hangers-on to be rewarded for their failures.
But since you brought up the popular vote win, you can add that to the many failures of her campaign strategy. It’s been reported that her crack strategists advised her late in the campaign that Trump was probably going to lose the electoral college vote but win the popular vote. So they spent heavily in areas they believed she was certain to win – like California – to goose the popular vote total to make her expected electoral college win “legitimate”.
She lost the election but at least she got her popular vote up to where she wanted it to be. Congrats.
Clinton was a failed candidate and Trump is a failed president.
It’s not over until it’s over. Therefore, you’re right about Clinton and wrong about President Trump. He still has plenty of time to improve his grade, although many won’t agree he’s failing at this point. In the end, pass or fail will be based on electoral, not popular votes.
Cutting taxes for the billionaires, taking away healthcare, waging more wars and starving the grannies….. Is that what average people voted for? I don’t think so.They were duped by the orange conman.
You forgot “children” Francesca. Trump is starving children as well. Come on..step up your SJW game.
No, No. The Children.
(And it’s not the SJW game. It’s the Marian Wright Edelman soundalike game).
Polluting the air for them, too.
Francesca,
Don’t forget poisoning the environment and eating two scoops of ice cream. No wonder this guy doesn’t sleep many hours. He has so much evil to be done in such a short period of time.
Olly – between signing EOs and tweeting, I don’t know when he has time to go to the bathroom. Unless he tweets on the toliet?
I defer to anon on Trump’s tweeting habits.
Olly – I was just suggesting how busy he has been. 🙂
She was a bad candidate and now look what we are stuck with. Trump promised beautiful healthcare and now we will have none. The DNC was wrong to support her and now she blames them, too. Go away,Hillary. We will be better off resisting Trump without your help.
Good analysis from JT. A bit redundant but accurate. If Clinton and the DNC had run a clean campaign she never would have gotten the nomination. The DNC backed the candidate they thought would breeze through but Clinton came with way too much baggage. She made strategic errors in avoiding places like Wisconsin. She lacks true humility and for that alone she will never be an influential voice among the electorate that loathe the political class.
Mr. Sanders lost the nomination because he did not have the votes. Her advantage among superdelegates was not crucial. The DNC was behaving unprofessionally in taking sides, but no one who complains has specified what they supposedly did which created an insuperable obstacle for Sanders. The real insuperable obstacle was the 3-1 majority Mrs. Clinton rolled up among Southern blacks.
As one example: Clinton operative and DNC chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz deliberately scheduled debates to generate the least amount of viewership.
That’s only one example.
There are more. And they were not only specified repeatedly, they were also largely confirmed by the Wikileaks release.
Except… the Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!
Sooooo shiny….
As one example: Clinton operative and DNC chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz deliberately scheduled debates to generate the least amount of viewership.
So that’s why the voters wouldn’t give Martin O’Malley the time of day.
DSS – exactly – many people are unaware of this. And during the first debate Webb was deliberately provoked and shut out. Why do we have debates on corporate stations anyway? Why not on C-Span or PBS?
DSS – exactly – many people are unaware of this. And during the first debate Webb was deliberately provoked and shut out. Why do we have debates on corporate stations anyway? Why not on C-Span or PBS?
Autumn, look at the bloody poll numbers for the time running from the fall of 2013 through the beginning of 2016. Bernie Sanders had more observable support as an unannounced candidate than Messrs. Webb, Chafee, and O’Malley were ever able to garner as announced candidates. Sanders alone as an unannounced candidate was polling at 4%. While all five were putatively competing, Messrs. Webb, Chafee, and O’Malley were polling about 5% in sum. What’s amazing about that is that Sanders’ base is a state with 630,000 inhabitants. James Webb has won elections in constituencies in jurisdictions more than 12x that large and Martin O’Malley has done so in jurisdictions nearly 10x that large. Even Lincoln Chafee’s state has more people and Chafee had attracted abnormal attention to himself.
In a typical year, a majority of declared candidates will sink with hardly a trace. From past years: Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Timothy Pawlenty, Rick Perry, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd, Mike Gravel, Rudolph Giuliani, Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, Dennis Kucinich, Carol Mostly Fraud, Richard Gephardt, Lamar Alexander, Orrin Hatch, Phil Gramm &c. Some of them (e.g Giuliani and Gephardt) were front-runners before imploding. It’s perfectly normal for candidacies to fail and fail thoroughly. It doesn’t require any scheming from an insipid cretinette like Medusa Schultz.
I still think Jim Webb might have had a chance if the CNN “hosts” weren’t so hostile. I was aware of Webb cause I lived in Virginia and read his book, but to many people this was his intro. He came across as too angry. Clinton Newz Network.
The Russians have been here and Trump Kushner is lawyering up,bigly. Follow the money.
“Follow the money”
Excellent tactic. How does a couple go from a lifetime of public service to having hundreds of millions of Wall Street dollars?
There is one obvious answer.
Mr. Sanders lost the nomination because he did not have the votes.
And here I thought it was because Clinton got more votes. Thanks for clearing all that up for me.
The DNC was behaving unprofessionally in taking sides
Well that sounds far different than not running a clean campaign. Thanks again. Wow.
Olly re “If Clinton and the DNC had run a clean campaign she never would have gotten the nomination.” Exactly. She could barely get 50 people at a playground and Sanders was drawing thousands where ever he spoke. I hope the DNC fraud lawsuit is successful. Might wake them up.
As far as I’m concerned, the DNC has become an openly fascist, dynastic, regime, never before was it to this extent. I am never voting Democrat again, and I say once more: they can pry my electoral college from my cold, dead fingers. I would rather they kill me than subjugate me, and subjugation is the name of their game. The GOP isn’t exactly a beacon of light either, but the Clintons are and have always been a legitimate force for some very bad juju. That Hillary is intouchable tells me a great deal about how far we have fallen in even just the past 30 years.
I liked that she is sitting in the Dr. Evil chair. Looks just like him1
Should our politicians look just like June Cleaver?
The women are supposed to have so much botox that they look like they are auditioning to beTrump’s fourth wife.
This Russian nonsense (if they had any proof we’d have seen it by now) reminds me of pretty much every episode of Scooby-Doo – with a twist.
In each episode the Scooby Gang would expose a fraud, and, at the end of the episode we’d see the bad guy being taken away in handcuffs saying: “And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids.”
The twist is that, in Clinton’s case, the media is actually letting the bad guy go and going after the Scoobies.
Who “meddled” in the election more? Clinton, who had her operatives in the media and the DNC help rig the primaries? Or the Russians (if true), who exposed those operatives?
. Who flips first? Any bets?
Will Susan Rice? Or will she fall on her sword for Barry?
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/870248530744659970
No surprise there
https://twitter.com/cheeky110000/status/870123261786431488
i watched her interview in California. The conspiracy nut Clinton sounded just like she did during the Lewinsky affair. But, JT missed the most important part. Hillary took shots at the DNC, saying they were “bankrupt” when she started her campaign and she had to raise her own money. She is therefore also blaming Obama. It’s a civil war within the Dems, between Obama and Hillary. As we know, both sides lose in war.
The DNC needs to get act together with regards to the internet although Clinton herself never understood much about. Jared, Mercers and the Russians surely outmaneuvered them.
Keep on spinning.
If fiction helps you feel better….
http://www.newsweek.com/did-russians-target-dem-voters-kushners-help-613612 Jared is being questioned by the FBI about this operation. If living in denial about what happened helps you sleep at night, go for it.
Being QUESTIONED by the FBI means NOTHING. I’ve been questioned by the FBI several times.
Probably not on matters of national security.
Yeah, more likely, where is the best sandwich shop?
Frank – the DNC Data people are very upset with Hillary right now about being thrown under the bus. They had four tweets out, two they have deleted because it exposed both the DNC and Hillary to fraud.
Don’t pay much attention to the DNC or the RNC.
Frank – I take great interest in poor losers and the reaction to them. Hillary is losing support she is going to need in 2020.
She threw the DNC under the bus.
Hillary threw everyone under the bus. There’s no more room under there 😉
Nick, it must be killing her to see Obama gallivanting all over the globe drawing adoring masses of people and making so much bank.
The Russians made Hillary set up the secret server and destroy 30,000 emails once Congress found out about it.
It was the Russians who made the DNC screw Bernie Sanders so badly that many of his supporters either stayed home or voted for someone else.
It was the Russians who convinced her to not campaign in Wisconsin and Michigan.
I don’t understand how anyone with a room temperature IQ could buy into the “Russians caused my loss” narrative.
They played a part as did Comey but did not cause it.
Comey let her skate. It’s a reasonable inference he did this so as not to leave the decision in the hands of the crooked lawfare operators who ran the department under the Holder-Lynch regime.
RSA – my money is on Seth Rich, not the Russians.
That is why most people think you are an idiot.
Ynot – you have taken a survey of everyone? I find that hard to believe. Even Rasmussen surveys 1000 people.
Excellent analysis and commentary. I always enjoy reading JT’s posts.
The difficulty we have is that the culture of rank and file voters is such that cretins like the Clintons and their camarilla are not evicted from public life. The culture of our professional-managerial class is such that it produces and sustains people like the Clintons and those who work for them. The architecture of our political institutions is such that what talents the Clintons have give them a competitive advantage.
To some extent, the problem is that we aren’t the people we used to be. The decline in the quality of the general population is manifest in the decline in the quality of the people in public life. However, to some extent, our institutional set-up is beneficial to people who know how to run fundraising and publicity campaigns and want to do this throughout their adult life. We might get more responsible politicians if the mode of election did not screen out more normal people.
1. Decentralization: devolve power to states and inter-state compacts. Reconstitute the demographic behemoths among the states into confederations the components of which lead separate lives.
2. Rotation in office. Have a constitutional provision wherein elected officials generally (judges excepted) serve four year terms, serve no more than 8 years in any bloc of 12 and are debarred for standing for election if they will hit that limit mid-term. That would be a default setting. If a state wishes to institute alternatives for it’s legislature and local councils, they can institute such via referendum, provided that judgment is refreshed by referenda at least once every 30 years.
3. Age limits: insist those standing for supralocal offices be between their 39th and 72d birthday on the day of the election.
4. Constraints on the judiciary at all levels: require all judges, corporation counsels, and prosecutors retire at or around age 76. Have all judges and public prosecutors subject to competitive election or retention-in-office referenda at 12 year intervals or more frequently. Require all such officials to retire at age 76. Debar lawyers under the age of 39 from being elected to or appointed to a superior court or appellate court. Allow recall referenda for any judge whose term of office exceeds four years.
5. End popular election of the U.S. Senate. Elect the House, and then have state governors convene a state’s congressional delegation to elect one Senator from that state, with the governor acting as a tie-breaker. The caucus could elect either a sitting member of the House (who would retain his floor vote in that body but serve in the Senate in lieu of committee assignments) or elect a person who had a history of palpable residency (say, 8 years minimum) who had also served a certain minimum of time in the federal executive as a bureau chief, cabinet secretary, subcabinet officer in the chain of command in between, or on a regulatory commission (say, six months in at least one office).
6. Functionally differentiate the House and the Senate. One would be responsible for legislation, the other would be responsible for oversight.
7. End the presidential veto. Limit the executive’s role in the legislative process to drafting administrative regulations to be vetted by the Senate, negotiating treaties which the House might or might not ratify, and the initiative with regard to declarations of war (and their rescission) and the issuance of letters of marque and reprisal (and their rescission).
8. Limit advice-and-consent requirements to appointments outside the executive (e.g. judges) and to appointees in the executive who serve fixed terms by law and are engaged in policing, regulation, tax collection, intelligence collection, or oversight. You might also require such of the military chiefs of staff. Assign to state legislatures the advice-and-consent function with regard to federal district judges and U.S. Attorneys. In lieu of advice and consent, allow a critical mass of members of Congress (say, 2% of the whole), to petition the courts or the comptroller-general to an enjoin an appointment if the nominee does not meet statutory qualifications to hold the office in question.
9. Have the state and territorial legislatures elect the President. Require the president be a certain age (say, a minimum of 60) and then be subject to mandatory retirement at age 76. In lieu of re-election campaigns, grant to the House a franchise to set up a parliamentary executive which would capture most of the president’s enumerated powers. The franchise would come into effect once an elected president had been in office at least 4 years.
10. Have a convocation of state and territorial legislators meet biennially. The convocation would proceed by weighted voting and have several functions: (1) proposing constitutional amendments; (2) composing, maintaining, and amending a statute of central government which would delineate precisely which powers were (and were not) delegated to Congress; (3) composing and maintaining enabling legislation for federal agencies outside the executive and the legislature; (4) appointing a secretariat to monitor Congress; (5) appointing trusteeships to liquidate federal agencies whose mission is deemed outside the ken of Congressional power, and (6) voting to disgrace a court decision and prohibit its publication and citation.
…or, how about “Return to the Articles of Confederation” ? The Articles of Confederation were abandoned, because a decentralized government just did not work. But evidently you favor a decentralized government.
We had a decentralized government prior to 1933 and it really was not until about 1965 that it was the mode for Congress and the federal courts to insert themselves into every area of public policy.
Let’s see…. If the “decentralized government” prior to 1933 had stayed in power, what would have happened during the Great Depression? Among other things, my grandparents would have starved to death.
Counterfactual speculation is usually a fool’s errand. The most tonic thing the Roosevelt Administration did was to stanch the banking panic which erupted in November 1932, devalue the currency and promote and acquire the assent for a revision of federal banking law which included deposit insurance, the separation of commercial and investment banking, and workouts of dead mortgages through HOLC. A replacement of the gold standard with fiat currency might have been even better had the Fed a satisfactory idea of how to maintain price stability. Another tonic was innovations in housing finance promoted by the FHA. These required only modest adjustments in the scope of federal discretion. The smorgasbord of public works programs were (one might wager) tonic as well. These incorporated a great deal of federal spending but were not much of an innovation in the realm of federal discretion. By and large, these agencies (CCC, PWA, WPA) had been closed by 1943, so they were not a permanent addition to federal activity any more than were the wartime agencies active in 1918 or in 1945. Keep in mind, the ratio of federal expenditure to domestic product during the years running from 1933 to 1940 averaged about 0.065. It’s 3x that today.
The utility of much of what was done during the 1930s was hit-and-miss. You had good policies (the bank holiday, incorporating the FDIC), bad policiies (the National Industrial Recovery Act, the Agricultural Adjustment Acts), and policies you could make a case for but which were not relevant to economic recovery (Social Security).
Susan, that’s all well and good but this Constitution of ours has taken us a long way. It’s politicians who want to “change America”, judges who go far off the bench and a media that somehow is an advocate for them rather then report news that are F-ng up this once great nation. How about adding #11 try politicians who violate their oath of office, like keep a server with government business where it shouldn’t be?
It’s hard to discern a coherent idea in this comment, other than the complaint that that the Department of Justice cannot be trusted.
dss – this is a very ageist comment. 75 is the new 55, didn’t you know? You are throwing away a great deal of knowledge and wisdom. Waste not, want not. Revere your elders, they have much to teach you, grasshopper.
Someone who wishes to continue working past 75 can do so for a private employer or in a regular civil service job. Someone who wishes to be an elected official can run for a seat on municipal council. What we don’t need are people on the order of Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, and Louise Slaughter. Neither do we need judges-for-life like Ruth Bader Ghastly. In New York, mandatory retirement for judges is the law, and that is as it should be.
Some of the old provide perspective. Some are young fools who grew into old fools.
If you want politicians that work to make life better for all Americans, institute publicly-funded elections.
+10
Yeah, it worked great in Italy ‘ere Tangentopoli.
dss – don’t hold out the laws of NY or CA as something I should follow. Neither state has anything I want to model ours after.
State employee pension funds in New York are the country’s most actuarially sound. The NYPD was a pioneer in innovative policing and presided over an 82% reduction in the murder rate in the Five Boroughs. The Court of Appeals in New York pointedly told advocate of homosexual pseudogamy to petition the legislature.
Certain things work well in New York. Mandatory retirement for judges has been the law since 1846.
> To some extent, the problem is that we aren’t the people we used to be. The decline in the quality of the general population is manifest in the decline in the quality of the people in public life. <
I too have come to believe this.
Easily observable by how many Americans are okay with torture. Or that Snowden was a traitor when he gave up his life for the public good.
If I were to dwell on it, it would make me sad. Instead, I choose to believe that what we have is simply what we deserve – and carry on with the many wonderful things about Life itself.
Easily observable by how many Americans are okay with torture. Or that Snowden was a traitor when he gave up his life for the public good.
No, you observe how people conduct themselves in their daily life, not whether or not they take progtrash talking points seriously.
Shallow.
Such as your 10 posted above?
LOL. Thank you.
We can’t all see eye to eye, but my prior comment was cathartic. I needed to get that off my chest.
Keep this in mind: You don’t get what you deserve; you get what you negotiate.
Another reason Trump won and Hillary lost.
She thought she ‘deserved’ it. Trump ‘persuaded’ voters.
Those are not talking points and they are not derived from progtrash discourse.
We need another failed haberdasher like Harry Truman. He was the best President of the last century. He came from Missouri. He was The Man From Missouri.
Can’t the Clintons just ride off into the sunset and leave us alone.
Hopefully, after Trump is impeached we will be rid of both of them
Thank you for your insight Maxine, oh I meant Mike.
All you need is a dollar and a dream.
No, because she’s going to stand again in 2020. All the interviews she’s giving are aimed at getting Democrats to believe the election was stolen so she deserves another chance, meanwhile the Democratic hierarchy keep any challengers out so come 2020, she’s the only “obvious” candidate.
Most of the posters here reiterate the usual songs about how awful Hillary is, how ugly her face is, how ugly her hair is, and so on. Maybe she should go to the county fair and sit in the booth where you could dunk her in the water if you hit the target with a baseball ….
But as for her losing the election, people forget that it was very close, with her winning the popular vote. (I know, “so what”) And her losing seems to represent the confluence of a number of factors. Yes, many people hated and still hate Hillary. And yes, she made a number of mistakes. But it would be naive to assert that Comey’s 11th hour machinations, and Russian actions, had NOTHING to do with the result.
I can assure you continuation of the Obama administration and the direction the Dems have taken over the years not Putin made the difference!
Trump Putin bots are part of the equation here. Clinton was clueless and defenseless concerning them and so are many others.
Just like she was clueless about her server and classification protocols?
Good God give it up man.
She is clueless. Cara Swisher ran circles around her
Trump is even more clueless when it comes to tech and everything else than she is. He is stuck in the 1970’s in many ways.
Mike Kelly – but, but, but … Hillary is the smartest person in the room. How could she be clueless?
Most of the posters here reiterate the usual songs about how awful Hillary is, how ugly her face is, how ugly her hair is, and so on. Maybe she should go to the county fair and sit in the booth where you could dunk her in the water if you hit the target with a baseball ….
The woman is ugly inside and out. She can hardly conceal it.
You mean like it was the wrong color lipstick on the pig?
(Music-)
We went to the animal fair.
The birds and beasts were there.
The old baboon by the light of the moon was…
Combing his auburn hair.
The monkey.. he got drunk..
And fell on the elephant’s trunk.
The elephant sneezed and fell on his knees and..
That was the end of the monk, the monk, the monk!
Hey Dems you just keep putting your spokes people out there: Maxine Waters, Al Greene, Al Frankenstein, Rachel Madcow and Kathy Griffin. Kathy and the rest are giving us all a real and I mean real good look at who you are.
PS: The Mainstream media is doing a real sweet job too. Why every working guy and gal I know is just going to run out the next election and vote dem-NOT.
Let’s not forget Hillary is really great at the blame game.
It was the ‘vast right wing conspiracy’
That made her husband degrade interns in the Whitehouse!
https://youtu.be/SS08lgcubQ8
The photo of Hillary is the worst photo of any Presidential candidate in our history. As a Democrat I could never vote for her.
If facial beauty is the main requirement, shouldn’t some Hollywood bimbo be drafted to run next time?
Perhaps integrity ought to matter instead of following the @DNC-@GOP monopoly which props-up the Oligarchy’s puppets instead of politicians who stand for us.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-us-election-president-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-democrats-primary-results-a7408451.html
“How was I to know she was with the Russians too?”
This is an apt phrase these days. Regarding Kushner and all sorts of people. Like JT. The Russians published those photos of Hillary and pushed them to the attention of guys like Turley. He used the ugly photos every chance he had on this blog. Here they are again today.
Joseph McCarthy is rolling over in his grave. The Communists are not back but the Russians are.
The Russians are under every nuk and crany and half the nannies. Stalin is laughing in Hell.
Jack Ruby – I think Putin is former KGB. He has not forgotten he roots.
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Putin is widely regarded as the most astute and responsible leader in the world today. The training and experience he has is paying off. Trump campaigned on a promise to compete with the Russian Federation on the basis of mutual interests. Unfortunately, that has turned out to be another costly betrayal.