ICE, ICE, Maybe: Democratic Members To Vote Against Their Own Bill To Abolish ICE

imagesWe previously discussed the irresponsible proposal to abolish the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) by a rising number of Democratic members and leaders. It is the Democratic version of the equally irresponsible proposal from Republicans to abolish the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) or Internal Revenue Service (IRS).  This type of pandering, demagogic call however was answered this week when the Republicans called the bluff of three members and actually put their bill to abolish ICE on schedule for a vote.  Reps. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin, Parmila Jayapal of Washington, and Adriano Espaillat promptly declared the vote a stunt and said that they would vote against their own bill.

In a joint statement, the three members declared “We know Speaker Ryan is not serious about passing our ‘Establishing a Humane Immigration Enforcement System Act‘; so Members of Congress, advocacy groups, and impacted communities will not engage in this political stunt.'” The vote on their bill was stunt but not the abolishment of ICE itself?

Democrats previously suggesting that the time had come to abolish ICE include Sen. Elizabeth Warren; Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand; Rep. Mark Pocan, Rep. Pramila Jayapal; Rep. Earl Blumenauer; Rep. Jim McGovern; Rep. Raul Grijalva; and Rep. Mike Capuano well as well as Democratic Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio; and New York Democratic candidate for Governor Cynthia Nixon.

Vanilla Ice may decide to update his hit:

Ice ice maybe
Ice ice maybe
All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new majority
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Then I flow that agency daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
Yo, I don’t know

64 thoughts on “ICE, ICE, Maybe: Democratic Members To Vote Against Their Own Bill To Abolish ICE”

  1. Meanwhile, multiple Russians were indicted by a grand jury for interfering with the 2016 election. tRump was told about this before the disasterous vainglory tour, but still has nothing but praise for Putin, all the while insulting our allies. Nevertheless, Jon’s political story of the day is to criticize Democrats calling for the abolishment of ICE because they are frustrated with the abuse being dealt on our southern borders.

    Jon: why not demand that tRump require Putin to extradite the indicted Russians by bringing them back on Air Force One? That would show patriotism and respect for the rule of law the Republicans so fondly refer to.

    Also: WHERE ARE THE BABIES, WHERE ARE MOST OF THE GIRLS?

    1. Roosevelt should have indicted the Japanese Navy for Pearl Harbor.

      Rosenstein is a preposterous joke trying to redeem himself.

      Is Gruppenfuhrer Rosenstein going to also prosecute the Chinese hackers, and those of almost every other nation on the planet? The Chinese have hacked the entire government from the OPM to anti-ship missile secrets. Rosenstein is posing; acting to try to establish legitamacy. That only works on idiots. Oops. You bought Rosenstein’s clown charade, huh?

      Rosenstein, Mueller, Comey, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Kadzic, Yates, Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Steele, Simpson, Hillary, Huma, Lynch, Brennan, Clapper, Kerry, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper, Power, Farkas, Rice, Obama et al. should have already been impeached and/or prosecuted for conducting a coup d’etat in America which we would have never known about had Hillary been elected.

      The best laid plans of mice and men, right?

  2. Ben Franklin, “…we gave you a republic, if you can keep it.”

    America couldn’t.

    One man one vote democracy is like a vast army with no officers – complete chaos. Impossible. The Founders knew that.

    A republic is governance by representatives elected by people entitled to vote. Never were the “poor,” the incoherent or the hysterical intended to vote in the American restricted-vote republic. Never were the foreign and the incongruous intended for naturalization and the vote. Japan’s population is 98.5% Japanese. What’s that tell you? Anti-American communists have taken over the vote and thereby, the Congress. To restore Franklin’s republic, borders and immigration must be enforced and state legislatures must impose restrictions on the right to vote in the American republic. You will be able to tell who the communists are. They will be the ones screaming NO!

    One man, one vote democrazies have seized Ben Franklin’s restricted-vote “republic.”

    The inmates have taken over the asylum.
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    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy–to be followed by a dictatorship.”

    ― Alexander Fraser Tytler

  3. Just like the idiot Cohen who blurted out the Purple Heart comment and is now trying to walk it back, there are no underlying principles other than appeasing constituencies. Both parties do it and get exposed for the frauds they are. They are as strategic in their thinking as opponents of Mike Tyson were, when the latter said: Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth.

    1. Purple Heart to a traitor acting as the “tip of the spear” of Obama’s coup d’etat in America?

      More appropriate would be prosecution for capital treason.

  4. You don’t have concerns about your cult leader trump abolishing to some extent the rule of law, the Constitution, the truth, undocumented immigrant families (the baby snatcher party); the standing of the FBI, DOJ, EPA, CPFB, and government institutions in general; transatlantic relationships, and democracy to name but a few. GOP wants to impeach a Deputy AG for doing his job and you are concerned that weakling democrats who can’t even push through a SCOTUS nominee are going to magically abolish the useful idiot trump’s favorite law enforcement agency? SAD!

  5. Abolishing ICE would be nothing radical since it didn’t even exist until 2003. We would simply revert to the previous immigration system that we had in the 80s and 90s. Reagan and his supporters seemed to like it.

    Prior to ICE it was the responsibility for the DOJ to enforce immigration law.

    1. Abolishing ICE would be nothing radical since it didn’t even exist until 2003.

      It was part of the Immigration and Naturalization Service. INS was hopelessly ineffectual and understaffed in regard to catching those overstaying their visas. That’s the way the Democratic Party of Rackets (as well as Bush / McCain / Graham Republicans) likes it.

      1. I have a third option. Let immigration laws be enforced by the border patrol and state police.

        Republicans have for years called for states to be able to enforce immigration laws.

        1. Your third option is arbitrary. State police have their own institutional mission. Customs and Border Protection is at work on the border and at points of entry. They don’t need additional responsibilities and the only reason you’d advocate that is to weaken immigration enforcement or to strike a stupid pose as ‘abolishing ICE’ is the Democratic fad-du-jour.

            1. Hey “MarryaHispanic”–You think the STATE PATROL can control our borders? Deal with the drug cartel and terrorists who have military style weapons? Absolutely ridiculous!!

            2. Who cares? He wanted state police enfranchised, not a drastic reduction in immigration enforcement manpower. Can’t you people even attempt to be something utter than fraudulent?

  6. It is the Democratic version of the equally irresponsible proposal from Republicans to abolish the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) or Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

    This is contrived and smarmy. The proposal to abolish the EPA had four co-sponsors. The Republic managed to function without it from 1781 to 1970. It has four distinct functions which one might argue should be separated. One function is patronage distribution to state and local government (and I’d suspect well-connected private groups too); this should be eliminated entirely. Another is what might be called ‘environmental public works projects’, a function that could be handled by an agency within the Interior Department. A third has to do with regulatory measures to promote conservation – an aesthetic value. These could be transferred to a free-standing commission or a commission appended to the Interior Department (which, btw, currently enforces the Endangered Species Act). A fourth function would be health-and-safety regulation in the realm of chemical manufactures, effluvia, and miscellaneous waste. You could collect all federal safety regulators in a dedicated department with an appended commission which would function as the ultimae authority in matters of rule-making and adjudication and have the rump EPA as a component of that. Alternatively, you could have the rump EPA as a stand-alone agency with a budget 1/10 th of its Obama era peak.

    Again, Congress was hopelessly sloppy with the enabling legislation for many of these agencies, leaving a wretched excess of discretion with the executive in general and the permanent government in particular.

    Talk about abolishing the IRS is a silly gimmick for the most part. In fairness, one of its promoters did utter some vague noises about replacing it with a new agency. No question the institutional culture of the agency is corrupted, so it’s reasonable to break it up among successor agencies in the course of a general tax reform. One thing we could do is transfer its law-enforcement aspect to a federal police department and the constitute a revenue department separate from the Treasury and containing a series of agencies: one for tolls, fares, and fees; one for tariffs; one for Pigou levies; one for discrete excises; one for corporation taxes; one for gift and estate taxes, one for value-added taxes, and one for personal income and payroll taxes. Such a department would have several appended commissions for rule-making and adjudication addressing different issues.

    What you really need is to reform the tax code. Here are some 2. things that you might include:

    1. Limit corporation taxes to those corporations which employ people in multiple jurisdictions (domestic or foreign) or which employ people in a jurisdiction different from the one in which they are incorporated (take that, Delaware). In re other corporations, the federal authorities would just collect some information and pass it along to state tax authorities.

    2. Exempt producer co-operatives and professional corporations lacking limited liability from corporate taxation.

    3. In regard to philanthropic corporations, instead of delving into what the corporate bodies functions are, collect information on the number of its employees (pro-rating part-time workers) and the compensation paid to its trustees and senior officers. Levy severe assessments on agencies whose compensation schedules exceed the resultants of formulate defined by statute. Leave other agencies along. This would scarify the discretion people like Lois Lerner could exercise over non-profits. You pay your officers reasonable salaries, you owe the federal tax collectors nothing.

    4. In regard to business corporations, replace the profits tax with an assessment on equity. Insist publicly traded corporations issue a stock-dividend to the Treasury each year. The Treasury would be debarred from exercising it’s voting rights and compelled to sell the shares in due time. For limited corporations, you could give them a choice: to issue a stock dividend that the Treasury would sell in an auction or to pay a flat assessment on gross revenues. The rates in question would be set so the revenue stream (as a proportion of national income) is roughly the median for federal corporate taxation as assessed over the period from 1932 to the present.

    5. In regard to personal income taxes, your liability could be calculated thus: a % of your total income less a dollar-value general credit for yourself and each dependent. The dollar-value would be adjusted each year according to changes in nominal personal income per capita. Under such a system, a great many people would have a negative liability. In those cases, they’d receive a net rebate, but the rebate would be capped at a particular % of the household’s earned income. For those past the statutory retirement age or adjudicated as disabled, the cap could be relaxed. “Total income” would include everything – cash, employee fringe benefits, etc – except a selection of government distributions (veterans benefits, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and unemployment compensation).

    6. Fines, excises on discrete commodities, and Pigou levies would be placed in a fund at the Treasury. The fund would be emptied each year in a flat distribution to each household which filed a personal income tax return. The purpose of such levies would be to change relative prices, not raise revenue. The one exception you might make would be motor-fuel taxes, which could be placed in a dedicated fund to finance road maintenance. Another thing you might do with federal excises on particular commodities is to assess a vendor’s federal liability as $x per unit of sale less what he’s paid to state tax authorities. This would induce the states to align their rates of assessment. The federal agency in question would be a data collection agency for the most part in that circumstance. Ideally, we’d cut back such assessments to liquor, tobacco, and motor fuels.

  7. Doing away ICE would be like doing away the government of the United States. The heathen will come into this country by the billions. Bye, bye, Miss American Pie. Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry. Gold ol boys drinking whiskey and rye.

    1. “The heathen will come into this country by the billions.”

      The heathens are already here. And they are us.

  8. Fun Facts…..Abolish the CIA

    In 1945 Harry Truman rejected proposals for a peacetime CIA

    In 1961 JFK wanted to dismantle the CIA after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba

    In 1974 Bernie Sanders echoed Harry Truman

    You would think the CIA could figure out why a bunch of Arabs were taking flying lessons in the U.S., but weren’t interested in the takeoff & landing classes.

    1. When it comes to the Saudis who committed the attacks on 9/11, the CIA couldn’t investigate them. The CIA is prohibited by law from conducting investigations or operations on American soil.

      1. Clue: The 9/11 Egyptian ring leader, Mohamed Atta spent a lot of time in Germany

  9. And then there was the bill to define the mathematical pi to be equal to 3.

  10. Equating Repub calls to end the EPA & IRS with the stupid Dimm’s jive & ICE is disingenuous.

    EPA was used as a weapon against lots of business under the guise of caring for the environment. Remember the river spill THEY caused & nothing was done about that to the EPA? How about the IRS as another weapon against conservatives. Nothing done yet about that either.

    Thank God for Mr. T!!

    Are these agencies even legal under the Constitution or has government usurped power they don’t really have? Since the income tax amendment wasn’t ratified by the necessary states within the time frame specified in the Constitution, is the IRS even legal? I doubt that most if not all federal agencies are truly legal under the Constitution.

    Poor US Constitution. She has been twisted, turned, misread & adjudicated by Congress & US judges to mean anything the NWO shills in govt want it to say.

    Under the subtopic, eliminating fed govt agencies, as per the article, how about we eliminate the Bank of England’s ‘Federal’ Reserve? The Constitution doesn’t say Congress has the power to delegate the coining of US currency to an outside agency. Read a book, The Creature From Jekyll Island. Oh yeah, I said ‘eliminating fed govt agencies. The Fed is not a govt agency…still needs to be kicked out.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/18/who-owns-the-federal-reserve-bank-and-why-is-it-shrouded-in-myths-and-mysteries/

    http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

    SamFox

      1. David Benson owes me nine citations (one from the OED) and the source of a quotation, after seven weeks and needs to cite all his work from now on. – Prove global warming actually exists. I think the wet weather is causing your brain to mold.

  11. I think the Republicans did something similar with the Affordable Care Act way back when they knew it wouldn’t pass into law.
    Then, years later when they knew it would pass, the same legislators voted it down.
    What they both wanted, was to look like they would support something they really didn’t support, but something that looked real good in the current political zeitgeist.
    The problem for them is when they get called on their duplicity, and their hypocrisy comes smashing through as obvious to everyone.

  12. “equally irresponsible proposal from Republicans to abolish the Internal Revenue Service.” That’s rich coming from a constitutional scholar.

    “76,832 full-time employees, thousands upon thousands of pages, of laws.”

    If there was ever an agency that needed to be disbanded, it’s surely the IRS.

    1. You need to figure out what you’re going to do to collect revenue. Otherwise, this is silly trash talk.

      1. What need to happen is that ICE is separated into two agencies, one which chases down smugglers, and one dedicated to chasing down illegal immigrants. In the current set up, presidents hostile to immigration enforcement (e.g. Bush and Obama) can have resources shifted to customs enforcement.

      2. Ironically, ICE came into being as a result of “badly needed reforms” in the wake of 9-11.

        1. Well, they assembled a bunch of agencies into Homeland Security, then put Tom Ridge in charge of it. Mr. Ridge’s administrative talents can be seen in the work of the Pennsylvania public health inspectorates who did such a bang up job in regard to Kermit Gosnell. The one new agency was TSA, whose foundational culture has been delineated by Annie Jacobsen and Michelle Malkin. You put a blockheaded martinet reporting to a quondalm Democratic member of Congress who subscribes (as all Democrats do) to diversicrat rubbish, you get a dysfuctional agency. That aside, the division of labor between various federal departments in re intelligence and law enforcement seems like what you’d get from a negotiating session between a bunch of turf barons. We need reforms, but Congress will likely screw it all up or have each resultant department reporting to about 8 different congressional committees.

    1. Yes they must give them more power to toss out illegals and fast, like 24 hours.

      1. The Great Zambini – as the immortal Peter Strzok would say “I am behind you 100,000,000 to 0.”

  13. Not too long ago Customs and Immigration was borrowing heavily from Border Patrol to do their job as their wasn’t enough … which meant BP wasn’t out doing their job. The last administration was cutting costs to buy other things like votes and treated those two agencies like they did the military.

    How did I learn this. Five to six boats around mine at the docks are owned by Border Patrol. Being a full time retiree I was the unofficial dock watcher.

    That meant both had to be rebuilt to do the job Congress and a Judge here or there had dictated they do… but failed to provide ‘human resources.’

    Nothing new this cycle is an old story.

    Now we have Judges who approved on set of rules demanding the impossible from their ill thought out earlier set of rules.While one party makes a career out of first causing the problem then pointing fingers at everyone else.

    Don’t get all exasperated. It’ will keep happening as long as the public keep s voting lawyers into public offices instead of people who really do work for a living. One has a clue while the other is invariabley ACLUeLess.

  14. You have to wonder how many bills actually sent to the President’s desk were equally as much a stunt–Joke in our minds, stunt in theirs.

    Why do ordinary Americans afford such importance to these fools?

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