Tweet From MSNBC Legal Analyst Sets Off False Story on Mueller Hearing Coverage

I have always been a critic of President Donald Trump’s “fake news” mantra, which is often directed at stories that are true but embarrassing. However, that does not mean that new media allows the rapid spread of false stories — stories that are quickly replicated and repeated across the blogosphere. An example of this problem arose recently when MSNBC legal analyst Joyce Vance tweeted that Fox News would not air the hearing today with former Special Counsel Robert Mueller because Trump is “afraid” what Mueller will say. That is entirely untrue but the story quickly spread with people like author Stephen King picking up the thread and spreading it to millions. I have had the pleasure of appearing with Vance. While we sometimes disagree, I have great respect for her and her experience as an attorney. The tweet was a mistake but it is the aftermath that is a chilling insight on how fast things spread on our web-based news platforms.

Vance told her twitter following that “Fox isn’t showing Mueller’s testimony Wednesday. Trump is afraid of what will happen if his base gets to hear Mueller’s testimony for themselves.” The former U.S. Attorney was widely criticized and later claimed that it was a joke. Some questioned how the tweet could be construed as a joke and eventually she deleted the tweet.

However, it was too late. King got the word out to his 5.3 millions followers:

Others like Los Angeles Times columnist David Lazarus, MSNBC guest Rick Wilson, former Rep. Donna Edwards and others repeated the false story in interviews.

The story is obviously damaging when viewers are told that Fox will not be covering the huge hearing. Yet, the fact is that it was a mistaken tweet and people are going overboard in their attacks on Vance. Everyone has tweets that they wish they could take back, including the President of the United States. Vance did the right thing in pulling the tweet. My interest is how this single tweet quickly became irreversible in social media and on television. People are looking for good or bad stories about Fox or Trump. As soon as they see one, they run with the tweet or story. We can all fall victim to such impulses. This is a case in point.

136 thoughts on “Tweet From MSNBC Legal Analyst Sets Off False Story on Mueller Hearing Coverage”

  1. Excerpt:

    Reporters on both sides of the political spectrum quickly shot down Vance’s misinformation, but the MSNBC contributor claimed she was simply joking. Vance spent a large portion of Sunday defending her misinformation as “sarcasm” and “irony” before quietly deleting the message hours after it went viral.

    “Y’all, a kind friend pointed out my goofy sense of humor doesn’t always translate onto Twitter. I know most of you get the irony by now,” the Vance responded when she was called out. “Sorry for the sarcasm gap. I always forget Twitter doesn’t capture tone.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-contributor-lies-about-muellers-testimony

    Again — from the excerpt:

    “Y’all, a kind friend pointed out my goofy sense of humor doesn’t always translate onto Twitter. I know most of you get the irony by now,” the Vance responded when she was called out. “Sorry for the sarcasm gap. I always forget Twitter doesn’t capture tone.”

  2. This is all about the 2016 election. Trump won and they still can’t get over it. For God’s sake, move on.

    1. IB:
      You can’t get over what you don’t understand. They are like sports fans who just watched the loss but can’t fathom why. It’s the arrogance of the entitled and it’s learned behavior. It’ll take more than reality to shock them back into reality. It’ll take the five stages of grief. They’re on “pain and guilt” and want to lash out. Let’ em. They’re emotional cripples.

  3. From the AP article:

    Vance tweeted that while she meant it ironically, “my apologies to anyone I confused.”

    MSNBC contributor apologizes, deletes tweet about Fox

    July 22, 2019

    ‘MSNBC contributor Joyce Vance, a former federal prosecutor, apologized and deleted a tweet that appeared to confuse readers about Fox News Channel’s plans to cover Mueller’s testimony before Congress this week. Vance said on Twitter Sunday, July 21, that Fox isn’t airing Mueller’s testimony because President Donald Trump is afraid of what will happen to his supporters if they heard Mueller. But Fox is airing the testimony Wednesday, along with ABC, CBS , NBC and the cable new news networks. Vance tweeted that while she meant it ironically, “my apologies to anyone I confused.”’

    https://www.apnews.com/5041444839d34f9eb91a78168f93ee02

    Vance apparently “confused” you and many of those who comment, here, JT.

    1. Calling it Irony does NOT solve the problem.

      An Ironic statement still is represents the assertions as TRUE,

      1. Not true.

        In this case, the ironic statements indicate that the assertion/s COULD BE true — not that they are.

    2. But it wasn’t an ironic statement. I assume Vance understands the meaning of irony, and how it differs from a lie.

      Irony would be a marriage counselor getting a divorce, a cat hoarder being eaten by her cats after she died, or the most cautious person in the world dying from complications of a sedentary lifestyle in his armchair.

      Another example would be standing in front of a wall of Fox signs advertising the Mueller report and quipping that Fox seems hesitant about airing the Mueller hearing. In other words, there would be situational cues that the statement was ironic.

      This was merely a lie. Whether she negligently repeated a lie without bothering to check, due to bias, or if she lied, in order to damage Fox, remains to be seen.

      1. It wasn’t a lie. And that you insist on calling it one is — well — predictable and just plain silly.

        It’s all much ado about nothing.

        People like Karen S spin and distort — and make mountains out of molehills.

        1. It wasn’t a lie. Well, it wasn’t true. It would have been quite easy to verify, as Fox was openly marketing covering the Mueller hearing for quite a while.

          However could someone honestly declare that Fox was not covering the Mueller report because Trump was afraid of it?

          The best case scenario is that someone lied to her, and she negligently repeated it without checking its veracity. However, she’s already dashed that flimsy excuse, as she claimed it was ironic.

          Obviously, that untruthful statement did not meet the definition of irony. One would think that a journalist would both understand the definition of irony, and how to research such an important accusation before making it public.

          Perhaps, if Fox sues her and her network, she may learn how to research as well as a high school journalist.

          Lie. A deliberate untruth perpetrated by the speaker, or passed along by such.

          1. “It wasn’t a lie” was supposed to be in quotes, as it was Anonymous’s statement. In my opinion, it most emphatically was a lie. I don’t know if Vance is guilty of lying herself, or merely for negligence in failing as a journalist to check its veracity before repeating it.

            Journalistic integrity is a dying trait nowadays. The only thing missing was a selfie in her Tweet.

        2. Anonymous:
          A wonderful feature of the Left is their knack for refusing to tell the truth in service to their own interests. The other tactic is to downplay any breach of integrity as “no big deal.” Vance contractually works for woeful MSNBC which routinely get its arse kicked by Fox in the ratings. Maybe you can figure out a motive. But then again as a subscriber to the Left, you’d be hard pressed to admit it.

      2. You should spend as much time focusing on Trump’s terrible tweets, Karen S.

        “…or if she lied, in order to damage Fox,” -brilliance by Karen /sarc

        Now that’s funny.

        1. mespo, seriously. How do you pretend to care about lying and support Trump? Vance is a 3rd tier news commentator – not a reporter who anyone relies on for news – who’s opinions on legal issues – like JTs – may or may not be interesting or valuable. Who GAF what she says? Meanwhile our president makes s.. up all day every day with not a thought to whether any of it is true and largely gets away with it because 40% of the people are apparently too stupid to know the difference or too desperate at this point to care. Surely you’re smarter than that.

          1. Who GAF what she says?

            Evidently the moderator, who picks the discussion topics.

            What’s amusing about this situation is that a quondam federal prosecutor employed by a ‘news’ service lied quite blatantly and gratuitously.

    1. Well, journalists certainly don’t care. They whine about anyone casting aspersions on their integrity while repeatedly perpetuating untruths upon the American public.

      Their outrage at not being believed or trusted is ironic.

  4. NPR ran the hearings and it was a sad show for the Democrats. wow. what an embarassment for them. losers!

  5. The Tweet wasn’t a mistake. It was a lie. She is a journalist, and one would presume she knew how to research a story before stating it publicly in any format. Then, she lied again and claimed she was joking.

    Fox has been publicizing the Mueller hearing for quite a while. It’s not like it would have been hard for Vance to discover this.

    Conservatives are used to such lies being spread around the world. The truth seems to be no defense. The lie was repeated so many times, that a significant number of people may still believe it. I doubt that Vance’s reputation will be much troubled by this, as this type of behavior is encouraged. In the bigotry against conservatives, every wrongdoing is just “fighting the good fight.”

    The mainstream media is no longer credible. In the rush to bash Trump, Fox, and conservatives in general, they often spread disinformation either deliberately, or through negligence.

    This is why many conservatives, like me, view the mainstream media as a Propaganda machine for the Democratic Party. This is concerning, as the Democratic Party is leaning towards Leftist extremism, and many members now openly embrace Socialism. Since a socialist country requires tyranny, this is a bad combination. Marxist-Leninist Socialism depends upon propaganda to spread the message and destroy critics.

    This brainwashing seems effective. I often read comments condemning conservative news sources, such as Fox news, but I do not recall reading any criticism of facts in a particular Fox story. Rather, it is the very existence of Fox that is brought up repetitively as somehow unfair. There is one commenter who brings up Fox and Hannity in virtually all of her posts, but, again, it is not with any criticism other than for their very existence. Such repetitive nonsense without any facts comes across as extremely bigoted. Every news organization corrects its publication from time to time. Therefore, criticism of the rate or scope of error, such as in the topic above, is warranted and may lead to improved future product. Complaints about the existence of other points of view, however, is reminiscent of the fascist attempts to squash dissent.

    Fox airs Democrats who argue passionately with Republicans, and present their own point of view. CNN and MSNBC tends to air never-Trump Republicans who agree with their Democrat colleagues.

    1. Honey, you are either on the payroll or you aren’t very bright. It has been explained to you several times that neither Trump nor Faux News (which you admit to watching, something everyone has known for a long time) are conservatives. Conservatives disown Trump, his lying, misogyny, xenophobia, and especially, his fiscal irresponsibility. Why not turn on your Google machine and research what true, decades-long conservatives, like George Will, for instance, have to say on this subject?

      You view the mainstream media as unreliable because you are a card-carrying Faux News disciple, and that is one of the daily spam messages it puts out every single day. The reason is clear and simple: so you will not believe the truth and will continue watching Faux News for your daily dose of affirmation. Faux News is Trump’s personal propaganda affiliate. Reasonable people, which includes most Americans, know this and they don’t approve of Trump.

      Faux News, and that Republican cracker whose name I don’t recall, but who tried to attack Robert Mueller this morning, keep harping that the Democratic party stands for socialism. He even used the phrase: “Democrats and Socialists”. How pathetically desperate, but that lie is employed to reel in the gullibles like you, Karen. Suggesting that Medicare coverage should be offered to all people, but to still allow a private insurance option, is not socialism, and THAT is the Democratic position on health insurance. Faux News claims that AOC called America “garbage”. That is a lie, but they won’t play the entire conversation in which she said that 10% better than garbage isn’t much improvement. She was speaking about racism and division in this country, which are garbage and un-American. Turn on your Google machine and judge for yourself who is lying about what she said. I don’t criticize the “very existence” of Faux News. I have repeatedly cited facts that this network lies about, which includes misrepresenting things said by “The Squad”. Faux News conveniently targets anyone who is not white or male. Congresswoman Omar is actually a 3-fer: black, female and Muslim. People like you are ready to believe whatever attacks Faux News puts out against these women. That’s because you are a racist. Faux News knows that pandering to these prejudices and trying to put whatever stink they think they can raise about them onto the entire Democratic Party might help Trump cheat his way back into the White House.

      The phrases “Trump Derangement Syndrome” and “never-Trumpism” were invented by Faux News to blunt valid criticism about Trump, his endless, daily lying, his lack of any tangible accomplishments and the divisiveness he and Republicans who support him are causing in this country. Anytime someone says something negative about Trump, it can’t be valid because the speaker has “Trump Derangement Syndrome”, and therefore, that’s all that true believers like you, Karen, need to hear. ‘Nuff said. Who cares about the contents of their criticism, because it can’t possibly be valid. They have gotten you not to listen or believe. That’s what propaganda does. You are trying to blunt my comments, claiming that there is no substance, just “unfair” attacks on Faux News and Hannity. You won’t listen. You can’t hear. You are a true believer. Whenever you can’t find a way out when Trump is caught lying or engaging in other misconduct, you do a Kellyanne Pivot: “…what about Bill Clinton…what about Obama….etc…..”.

      It is not a disparate “point of view” to point out that Trump constantly lies. It is not a “disparate point of view to point out that he created concentration camps where people are being held under inhumane conditions and where children are abused emotionally to serve as punishment for their parents, all to deter more migrants from coming here. Children are not being separated to protect them against traffickers, but you want to believe this drivel, even though Jeff Sessions said deterrence was the reason. It is also not a Kellyanne “alternative facts” situation, either. There is just one set of facts. But true believers like you, Karen, don’t understand how your beliefs are being manipulated.

      How would you know what MSNBC and CNN air? You don’t watch these networks, but this must have been something Hannity said. Did Faux News tell you that Mueller found not less than 10 specific instances in which Trump obstructed justice, or did they soft-pedal these crimes as politically-motivated? I know they harp about Lisa Strock and her boyfriend, they pound on James Comey and the Steele Dossier, they still bitch about Hillary Clinton, but how does any of this excuse Trump’s crimes? How does any of this make it acceptable that his campaign welcomed illegal assistance from Russians, and then lied about these things? How does any of this make it acceptable that Trump repeatedly tried to fire the Special Counsel, tried to get Don McGhan to lie about it, or the other things he did to obstruct justice that would land anyone else in prison?

      MSNBC has never claimed that Faux News lies. MSNBC and CNN do not attack Faux News or Rush Limbaugh as pro-Trump propagandaists, either. MSNBC has, as regular contributors, Republicans Michael Steele, former Chair of the RNC, and Nicolle Wallace, who worked for George W. Bush.

      Please cite to me proof that “mainstream media” has broadcast “misinformation”. Cite the “misinformation”.

      1. “Honey, you are either on the payroll or you aren’t very bright.”

        And…the answer is obvious.

          1. The answer is obvious to me and Natacha…..we think along similar lines.

            🙂 Then I suggest you ask Natacha what the medication is that her doctor recommended. Then be a good friend and encourage her to join you in staying on that regimen.

            I wish you both well.

          2. It would be ironic if you were both the same people. Anytime someone posts under “Anonymous” who is familiar with the blog, and has consistent animosities towards other commenters, it is likely a sock puppet.

      2. Faux News, and that Republican cracker whose name I don’t recall,

        With all the hysteria over cries of racism, I presume the lack of denouncement of Natacha’s use of this identifiable racist term demonstrates the Left has no principled objection to claims of racism. It’s obvious their cries are little more than virtue-signaling.

        1. With all the hysteria over cries of racism, I presume the lack of denouncement of Natacha’s use of this identifiable racist term demonstrates the Left has no principled objection to claims of racism.

          Hmmmm, didn’t some immigrant on these forums yesterday make this very point with a black dude playing the Race card to the hilt, only to be slammed by that immigrant, also of color, for not succumbing to such shill?

          I see you all have been having fun today with the Mueller hearings.

          The Communists are plainly visible in America today. When I was a teen my family tried to alert Americans to the infiltration of Communists in America, even if they laughed at us. Well, they’re unapologetically waving red in the US House just like Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Manuel Noriega, and on and on and on….: Schiff, Nadler, all of the Dems…. red as can be.

          We told you so

            1. when i was a kid I saw the other side of a couple of guys with afros wearing black and red air jordans kicking me while i was down; that was them taking out the legacy of white privilege on me I guess.

              now I appreciate my rights and privileges more than ever.

              1. kid, teenager, but once I was 21 for some reason it stopped. Sam Colt made us equal.

                before that, I was less equal than others. the hassles grow dim now, sometimes blend together, but the lesson remains clear

              2. My best friend in junior high was black. One winter day in Mpls. we were walking home from school rough-housing and I caused him to tear up the knee in his pants. He shrugged it off with the exception that he was worried what his mom was going to say to him. I found out the next day when I met him to go into gym class. He walked right up and without a word sucker-punched me. He then told me his mom “whooped his has” for not
                “whooping that f*****g honky’s ass.” We remained friends but not outside of school.

        2. White southerners who stand with Trump, like this bozo, are “crackers” as far as I’m concerned, when they engage in “whataboutism”.. Trump is an unapologetic racist. It’s like wearing a MAGA hat–that is saying you support racism, xenophobia, misogyny, islamophobia and a fake President who lies every single day and who attacks critics with grade-school level insults and taunts. He was trying to attack Robert Mueller, following the Faux News playbook. He IS a cracker and ignoramus. I still don’t know his name and don’t care what it is.

          1. Notice how racism is excused as long as it is aimed at a conservative. This is observable towards all races, including conservative blacks. The same goes for misogynistic and misandric slurs, as well.

            It’s all fine if it comes from the Left.

            Thank you for another fine example that the Left is guilty of everything they accuse the right of, including Fascist tendencies.

        3. Olly – did she really? I just skimmed and tried to count how many times she mentioned “Fox.” Lost count along the way.

          If she did use a racist term, that’s deplorable.

      3. and Nicolle Wallace, who worked for George W. Bush.

        She’s a grifter who conned John McCain into hiring her for a position in his campaign. She has a history of telling blatant lies and seemed to have the idea in her head that a duly elected vice president could be prevented from taking office on the say so of campaign staff. For an amusing treatment of Wallace, see Robt. Stacy McCain:

        https://theothermccain.com/2011/10/05/im-thinking-about-writing-a-novel-called-two-faced-backstabbing-rino-bitch/

        1. Nicole Wallace interviewed James Comey at the 92 Y during his book tour and she actually asked him when he was going to run for office because we need people like him in office….!!!! Holy mackerl! It was obvious to me after that suckup sycophantic interview that she is a total Trump hating wackjob. Comey is a weasel and a disgrace. Someone like him is exactly who we don’t need in public office.

      4. Wow! According to you – Trump is supported by only a tiny portion of retarded rednecks.

        Yet, he somehow won the election in 2016.

        Some of those “whack jobs” who were demanding answers from Mueller today – included the ranking republicans in multiple committees.

        I am happy to criticise Trump and some of his minions for not answering the questions of the american people and of congress – particularly where the law requires it. But whatever “stonewalling” Trump and republicans have done is miniscule compared to the decade+ obstruction and stonewalling of the left.

        Mueller was TASKED to investigate Russian interferance in the 2016 election.
        His report (laughably) alleges that Mifsud was a Russian asset. His report alleges that Mifsud lied to agents. several times. Yet, Mifsud was not investigated or charged. How is it that investigating someone who Mueller claims is a russian agent and who Mueller claims was part of the “collusion” was neither investigated nor charged ?

        Christopher Steele admitted that his sources were Russian intelligence operatives. So exactly how is it that an investigation into russian interferance in the 2016 election does NOT include investigating Steele ? Mifsud ?
        How is it that it does NOT include the fact that the HFA campaign had MYRIADS of intersections with Russians that Mueller did not investigate.
        Mueller investigated the Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting with Donald Jr. But he did NOT investigate the myriads of LONG Term contact between her and Fusion GPS and the Clinton campaign.

        Mueller’s indictment of the “15 Russians” is now going down the tubes – as the judge has thrown out much of the case – because Mueller found no evidence of ties between these people and the russian government. For all we or Mueller know – they were working for Clinton.

        Mueller’s assertion that the DNC emails came from a russian Hack sounded really compelling in his indictment. But when he came to write about it in his report – it turns out the only actual evidence he has was the discredited CrowdStrike report.

        According to the FBI and Mueller the investigation began when Andrew Downer met with George Papadoulis. Yet, “spies” nearly certainly tied to US and/or british intelligence were swarming arround Page and Papadoulis BEFORE the DNC was hacked.

        St. Comey told Trump, and Testified to congress that Trump was NEVER a target of the investigation. Yet, several sources are now claiming that there is a substantial paper, text, and email trail that James Coming was investigating Trump personally long BEFORE he was fired – in otherwords Comey lied under oath to congress as well as lying repeatedly to the president.
        Is there anyone who does not understand the many many reasons James Comey was fired ?

        I did not see all of Mueller’s testimony – but what I saw was embarrassing.
        Aside from constantly stonewalling, it was evident that he did not know what was in his own report. It seemed that Mueller resisted answering questions – not because the information requested was outside of the scope of his report or investigation or the legitimate inquiry of congress, but because he did not know it.
        Mueller did not seem to know what he and his team had spent the past 22 months doing.

      5. Natacha’s Comments Cliff Notes:

        Fox Fox Fox Trump Hannity Fox Fox FOX Russia! Note the Fascist tendency at outrage at the very existence of opposing points of view in the media.

        Russia in fact offered assistance to Hillary Clinton in the form of the fake dossier that not only damaged Trump’s reputation, but has destabilized the country, with the help of Democrats, for the past couple of years.

    2. Karen wrote: “The Tweet wasn’t a mistake. It was a lie. She is a journalist, and one would presume she knew how to research a story before stating it publicly in any format. Then, she lied again and claimed she was joking.”

      Ever hear of irony?’

      She apologized and deleted the tweet, but let’s make a mountain…

      1. An Ironic assertion is something that you are offering as TRUE.
        But inconsistent with other things that are are purportedly true.

        “the cages used to house illegal immigrants were built by Obama”
        That is “irony”. It is also true.

        Reporters preemptively are skilled with words. Their merit as a reporter rests on their credibility.

        Anytime someone in the media tries to pass off a misrepresentation or false statement as irony, sarcasm, satire, or a joke – it had better be crystal clear with very little context that the remark WAS irony, sarcasm, satire or a joke.

        When a reporters remarks are miscronstrued as facts – particularly by those who purportedly share her views – SHE has erred.

      2. Anonymous:

        “Ever hear of irony?” Why, yes, and since you do not seem to understand irony, I included examples above.

        Her statement was not ironic but an utter falsehood. Good luck with that excuse if and when Fox sues her and her network.

        1. Then let’s call it something that you might be able to grasp: sarcasm or just — as she also said — a “goofy” sense of humor.

          “…when Fox sues her and her network.”

          Let us know when that happens, Karen S.

          1. When you say, “call it something that you might be able to grasp”, did you mean to say, “use the correct word?”

            Sarcasm is incorrect, as well. There are situational cues that the opposite of the statement is true. Perhaps you were referring to my post in which I defined sarcasm above. You could go down the list I provided to satire next.

            For example, if you stood looking at wall-to-wall Fox News coverage of the Mueller report, and quipped to the person next to you, who could see the Fox spot about Mueller, “Guess Fox News must be too partisan to air the Mueller report”, that would be sarcastic. Such a comment would be made by a conservative to mock the Democratic media claim that Fox was hiding the hearing from its viewers. In this hypothetical, it is required that the person you made the statement to be fully aware that Fox was actually promoting that Mueller hearing coverage. The person would know you were obviously making a purposeful misstatement for effect. However, that’s not what happened. She presented a false statement as true. Allowed it to go all over the world. Was called on it. Claimed she was only being ironic. She only apologized for “confusing” anyone, not for making an untrue statement under the color of a journalist.

            Now, do you need to move on to satire to try that on?

              1. We do discuss Trump’s Tweets, frequently, on this blog. The topic of this particular post was Vance’s Tweets.

            1. Jonathan Turley wrote and I agree:

              “Yet, the fact is that it was a mistaken tweet and people are going overboard in their attacks on Vance. Everyone has tweets that they wish they could take back, including the President of the United States. Vance did the right thing in pulling the tweet. My interest is how this single tweet quickly became irreversible in social media and on television. People are looking for good or bad stories about Fox or Trump. As soon as they see one, they run with the tweet or story. We can all fall victim to such impulses. This is a case in point.”

            2. Karen S makes this leap, too: “Perhaps you were referring to my post in which I defined sarcasm above. You could go down the list I provided to satire next.”

              Better check that ego, Karen S; you’re a little full of yourself.

              And while you’re at it Karen, you might want to brush up on your definitions.

              https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-contributor-lies-about-muellers-testimony

              From the article:

              “Y’all, a kind friend pointed out my goofy sense of humor doesn’t always translate onto Twitter. I know most of you get the irony by now,” the (sic) Vance responded when she was called out. “Sorry for the sarcasm gap. I always forget Twitter doesn’t capture tone.”

              1. Hmmm. are we seeing a new anonymous from a poster that totally embarrassed himself? We will have to wait and see.

  6. While we sometimes disagree, I have great respect for her and her experience as an attorney. The tweet was a mistake…

    Mistake? What does that say about your judgment if you characterize this tweet as a mistake from someone you declare to have such respect for? This tweet was as much a mistake as Timothy McVeigh parking in front of the Alfred P. Murrah building.

    1. Neither the Tweet, nor the belated explanation that it was a joke, were mistakes, but rather lies. Pulling the Tweet wasn’t the right thing to do. Issuing a retraction and apology would have been doing the right thing. How does quietly pulling the Tweet correct any of the damage that she has done to Fox?

      Any media, pundit, or public figure who says otherwise is giving her a pass.

      Fox should sue her and her network.

      1. How about this, Karen: Trump and Faux News issue retractions for all of the lies they tell. It would literally be hard to know where to start. Has Trump ever apologized for lying about Barak Obama being born in Africa? What about all of his lie about the size of his inauguration crowd, the state of the economy (best ever), the fact that he lost the popular vote (due to illegals voting), that he “won” the Electoral College by an historic landslide (he didn’t), his deferment for non-existent bone spurs, the extent of his alleged wealth, that his tax returns from years ago are still under audit, and his assignations with Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, and others, plus paying them off, for starters?

        As to damage done to Faux News, I literally don’t know what you’re talking about. That outlet has so little credibility already that it would be impossible to do further damage. Maybe they could start with broadcasting the actual full statements made by “The Squad” that Trump harps on all of the time, and stop harping on Benghazi and the HRC e-mails, James Comey and the Steele Dossier.

        Joyce Vance is not a reporter — she is a law professor and former federal prosecutor who is a commentator on various networks about federal criminal matters.

        1. Noting that Ms. Vance is a law professor, and former federal prosecutor only makes this worse.

          Is this someone you want determining who gets prosecuted ?

          We have listened to 3 years of left wing nuts claiming that everything Trump said is false and obstruction of justice.

          If the standard for obstruction is so low – then lets prosecute Vance.

          I am not serious – but there are an awful lot of people on the left who are serious about prosecuting Trump – and others for TRUE statements OR legitimate acts, merely because they do not like them.

          To the extent the Russians interfered in the 2016 election – they colluded with Steele, Fusion GPS and HFA to target Trump. Why wasn’t that investigated – in 2016 ? Why no Special Counsel ? Why did Mueller tasked with investigating Russian interference not investigate that ?

        2. You get to express your views on every assertion you made regarding Trump in the voting booth.

          I have no problem with “the squads” attacks on Trump – nor a problem with Trump returning fire. I find Trump’s remarks slightly less offensive than theirs, but I expect more dignity from the president. However I find Trump’s remarks more ACCURATE than “the squad” – and the truth actually means something.

          Socialism – even socialism lite, has failed EVERYWHERE it has been tried.
          Whatever the flaws of freemarkets NOTHING else comes close to working as well. FURTHER, whatever the problems of free markets, they do not result in the streets flowing with blood and hundreds of millions dead.

          Trump’s flaws are manifest – but “the squad” and the left makes him look like a saint.

          You are absolutely correct – this is NOT the best economy ever. It has not even reached average for the 20th century. But it is “The best economy of the 21st century”. I think it could be alot better – and I blame Trump and Republicans for not doing much better. But it is head and shoulders better than anything that Bush or Obama delivered. And like it or not.
          Bush and Obama ARE responsible for the weak economies they delivered and Trump is inarguably responsible for the post Obama improvement – even if he should have done better.

          Absolutely Trump and Republicans can and should do much better.
          But one thing we know for certain – it would get worse under deomcrats.

          1. ” I expect more dignity from the president. ”

            A single policeman fighting with his Glock against a team of killers using automatic weapons. It seems you would expect the policeman to show dignity and perform in the same manner as he would when arresting a woman for jaywalking.

        3. Natch how did the team your cheerlead for here every day here choke so badly?

          GIve us the blow by blow eh? and try and come up with some new turns of phrase you’re way past boring these days now

          1. More Faux News tribalism. There aren’t any “teams” here, unless you are speaking about the majority of Americans who disapprove of Trump and want him gone, which includes patriots who gag every time the bloated lying orange clown embarrasses this country with his stupidity, bad decisions and lack of leadership and you Trumpsters. It literally would not matter what Mueller said, how he said it, what court-admissible evidence he obtained and relied on or anything else to you Trumpsters. You are disciples, pure and simple. Trump’s cheating to “win the victory” with Russia’s help does not concern you, nor does Republicans attacking the special prosecutor appointed to look into this matter. by repeating Faux News talking points. Today’s performance by Republicans was nauseating and un-American. Creating concentration camps where migrants are subjected to inhumane conditions and where children are separated from their parents as punishment doesn’t faze you. Growing the deficit at a record pace by giving tax breaks to the very wealthy is A-OK with you. Endless lying and grade-school level immature personal attacks in the face of valid criticism is acceptable. Constant departures of cabinet members, appointment of lobbyists to run the EPA, the Agriculture Department and other agencies, as well as unqualified department heads like Ben Carson and Betsy De Vos—not a problem for you. Rolling back consumer protections and environmental regulations are just fine, as was lying about forcing Mexico to pay for a wall. Just how many Trump campaign advisers, as well as his attorney, have been convicted of felonies? Doesn’t matter. Okey Dokie to you.

            Well, for most Americans, these things are NOT fine. If you want to view the US as being divided into “teams”, then consider one team to consist of the majority of Americans, patriots like me, who are repulsed by Trump, and then you Trumpsters who are unfazed by what that bloated narcissist has done to this country all in the name of personal aggrandizement.

            1. Bloated Narcissist Michael Moore is now part of the Tribe of Fox News, the #1 News Source for Americans! Who knew? !!!

              😉


              A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions…I said it in 2017 and Mueller confirmed it today — All you pundits and moderates and lame Dems who told the public to put their faith in the esteemed Robert Mueller — just STFU from now on

              — Michael Moore (@MMFlint) July 24, 2019

            2. “Majority of Americans, patriots like me” — Can everyone see what the Dems like Natacha are doing? Stealing from Trump and using the….”patriots like me”…and “keeping their promises” lines….. Dems are essentially stealing Trump’s winning campaign and hoping it sticks for them the way it works for Trump…. newsflash: it won’t.

            3. Natacha — Any idea when are the Dems going to get those kids out of the Obama cages? Any idea why noone was outraged when Obama built the cages in the first place?

      2. “Fox should sue her her network.”

        Now that’s hilarious, Karen S.

        I-R-O-N-Y.

        But the clueless don’t get it. It’s beyond them.

        1. Anonymous – do you truly not know the meaning of irony, satire, sarcasm, and falsehood?

          SNL mocking Trump is satire.

          Sarcasm is mocking and caustic, and meant to wound.

          An event turning out the opposite as one would have expected is an example of irony. i.e. A thief returns from stealing electronics to find his own TV stolen. Socratic irony is used in debate, in pretending to be ignorant while asking probing questions to lure an opponent to make a mistake.

          What Vance said was not irony.

            1. “Vance wasn’t lying”.
              So, Fox news DIDN’T air the hearings???? Vance was telling the truth??

    2. “Mistake? What does that say about your judgment if you characterize this tweet as a mistake from someone you declare to have such respect for? This tweet was as much a mistake as Timothy McVeigh parking in front of the Alfred P. Murrah building.”

      I believe he means mistake in the sense of “error in judgment,” as opposed to “by accident.” Certainly, McVeigh did not park in front of the Murrah building “by mistake,” but it certainly was a error in judgment, a grievous mistake, if you will. Likewise, it was a mistake for the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor or for Osama bin Laden to orchestrate the demolition of the world trade center, to compare big things to small.

      1. I believe he means mistake in the sense of “error in judgment,”

        I highly doubt JT would conclude someone he notably respected would have such an error in judgment. A high school student with average intelligence would easily verify this tweet was false. Vance made an obviously false tweet calculated to inflict as much damage as possible to FoxNews. That is no small thing.

        One more thing: it is remarkable to note that this tweet was calculated to be effective. Why did she and MSNBC calculate that? Because their base of viewers and followers don’t have the average intelligence of a high school student.

        1. “I highly doubt JT would conclude someone he notably respected would have such an error in judgment.”

          Well, evidently he does.

        2. “Vance made an obviously false tweet calculated to inflict as much damage as possible to FoxNews. That is no small thing.”

          Compared to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, it’s pretty small.

    3. Mistake or not, it still undermines her future credibility.
      And that is the point.

      She is a member of the media.

      She should be held to a high standard.

      1. She is a member of the media.

        She should be held to a high standard.

        Interesting. I would have thought being a member of the bar was the standard, especially if that is basis of her credentials at MSNBC.

  7. How do lies mix with policy and mistruths? Does big tech have something to do with it?

    Here is a statement by a Google engineer.

    COPPOLA: I’ve been coding since I was ten (years old.) I have a PhD, I have five years’ experience at Google and I just know how algorithms are. They don’t write themselves. We write them to do what we want them to do . . .

    I think it’s, you know, ridiculous to say that there’s no bias. I think everyone who supports anything other than the Democrats, anyone who’s pro-Trump or in any way deviates from what CNN and the New York Times are pushing, notices how bad it is.”

    He continues:
    “I look at search and I look at Google News and I see what it’s doing, and I see Google executives go to Congress and say that ‘it’s not manipulated. It’s not political.’ And I’m just so sure that’s not true.”

    1. The video is here on youtube. Watch it before it is taken down by Google like the last report. If it is deleted it will be at projectveritas.com . Will this engineer be fired?

  8. A mistake? Fox advertised that it would show the Mueller hearing. Where did this woman get the idea they weren’t going to show it? That is the problem with the left. They create a talking point of what they wish to believe and then construct the facts to meet that need.

    Leftists have learned that the penalty for being wrong is near zero in the leftist press so they think they can take chances all the time and the American public will continue to believe them. They might be right based on the leftists that post on this blog.

      1. The Brainless Wonder was missing me and getting lonely again so instead of answering my question, “Where did this woman get the idea they weren’t going to show it?” she refers a blog entry that doesn’t answer the question. Now the Mindless Wonder, in order to hide her lack of intellectual abilities, mihht say ‘I was joking’ but she won’t be able to remove her response. Alternatively she will veer away from the question and provide a Brainless answer that requires no response.

          1. I love when you copy my words in your response. It is flattery but also shows how much you want me Brainless Wonder and how vacuous your head is. Yes I created the Lonely Hearts Club for you to join. Good luck, and good luck to the man that catches you. He will need it.

  9. I do not see many Trump “lies” , as some of the comments above state catagorically. He might exaggerate often and he might say things in jest often. He needs to keep America great. Others need to quit complaining about Trump and start wondering about the likes of the Gang of Four or The Odd Squad of Congress who are so anti jewish and mean spirited. Send em back to New York or Minnesota or LA. It would be an act of war to send one of them back to Somalia. It would have been like sending Hitler back to Austria before he took over.

    1. So Liberty, Trump really did try to talk quickly to stop the rally chant last week, Obama begged to see Lil Kim, the Indian Prime minister asked him to negotiate for him with the Pakistanis, his inaugaral crowds were the largest, the Chinese are paying our tariffs, Puerto Rico got $91 million, the most ever for disaster, he didn’t know about illegal payments to Stormy Daniels, Mexico will pay for the wall, Obama separated kids from parents at the border. he has already built miles and miles of new border walls, the Trump Tower meeting with Russians was about adoptions, etc., etc.

      https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

      Liberty, he lies whenever it suits him which is almost all the time. If you can’t detect that, there’s something wrong with your abilities to interact with other humans, and your family should be concerned with your safety.

      1. Anonymous1 provides his proof that Trump lied. What is the proof. Politifact provides a Trump statement and then without explanation calls it a lie. Sound familiar? Factless just like anonymous1

        1. WARNING: After going to Anonymous1 citation I ended up having to use my virus software and deleting what was placed on my computer. Not only was Anon’s claim bogus but the site provided more than expected. Anon and what had to be deleted were both the same, scams.

          1. Some guy who calls himself Allan said, “WARNING: After going to Anonymous1 citation I ended up having to use my virus software and deleting what was placed on my computer. ”

            Right. (Said sarcastically.)

  10. Martha:
    “He did it too!” A variation on the: Well if others are said to do it, surely it excuses one’s own conduct. I thought that argument got discarded in kindergarten.

      1. YNON:

        “Wish you would read your comments with such a critical eye but that would require integrity.”
        ********************
        That’s what I have you for. My own personal Jimminy Cricket.

        “No government ought to be without censors….” (Old, dead , white, leader of patrimony to whom you owe about everything)

  11. I have great respect

    Again being all ‘collegial’ with scam artists diminishes your guild and diminishes the quality of public discourse.

    1. You know the mark of a gentleman is to be kind in the face of disgusting behavior. That’s a virtue. But so it calling out a liar for her lie when it’s clearly designed to cause harm.

    2. this is a typical thing we do. we get it from Mark Anthony’s speech at Caesar’s funeral. I am sure you know that but let me spell it out. you offer a little honeyed praise before sticking in your arrows

      ANTONY
      Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
      I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
      The evil that men do lives after them;
      The good is oft interred with their bones;
      So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
      Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
      If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
      And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
      Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest–
      For Brutus is an honourable man;
      So are they all, all honourable men–
      Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
      He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
      But Brutus says he was ambitious;
      And Brutus is an honourable man.
      He hath brought many captives home to Rome
      Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
      Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
      When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
      Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
      Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
      And Brutus is an honourable man.
      You all did see that on the Lupercal
      I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
      Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
      Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
      And, sure, he is an honourable man.
      I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
      But here I am to speak what I do know.
      You all did love him once, not without cause:
      What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
      O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
      And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
      My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
      And I must pause till it come back to me.

  12. The President of the US lies every single day via tweet and JT finds it worthy of more than one sentence that a news commentator made a mistake in one rweet? He could do this column twice a day over Trump tweets with a significance factor astronomically higher.

    WTF?

    1. you spew misleading bilge here every day, but you have no followers and trump has a bazillion. so what’s your point?

  13. Obviously this was an error but your putting so much focus on this one misinformation seems so out of place when Trump goes pretty much unscathed for putting out lie after lie that has world implications. Example his recent lie about being asked to mediate between India and Pakistan

  14. Professor:
    In your effort at being a neutral arbiter you miss the mark by attributing good motives to a bar person. Sometimes the truth is harsh, but it is the truth regardless.

    1. This was classic FAKE and brilliant. This one tweet discredited POTUS, FoxNews, other MSM outlets that jumped on the one source item and those who tried to spin it as not being FAKE.

  15. “Yet, the fact is that it was a mistaken tweet and people are going overboard in their attacks on Vance.”
    ************
    Mistake? A mistake is using “which” when “that” is proper. It’s not a joke either; it’s a slur. Vance is a liar and provocateur. She only adds to the spot on public perception that most corporatist news is “fake news.” There are simply too many examples of the type of thing Vance does for it to mere human foibles.

    1. She may have been wrong but I would not have been surprised if FOX had made that choice. It spread like wild fire because it was believed by many people because it was a real possibility.

      I do think the President is afraid of what Mueller might say. This President made it clear, in his view, that Mueller’s report “exonerated” him and yet he and Barr are doing everything they can to shut him up.

      I think that the president doesn’t want the hearing shown on any network. In my opinion, he doesn’t want it to happen!

      1. A guy writes an official government report after two years of investigating that was vetted by his entire department and which the author said was the definitive word on the topic and you think he’s going to be believed if he varies from it. Need any waterfront property in Florida?

          1. YNOT:

            Other than the fact Barr didn’t write the report; was only in on the investigation for a few months and never varied from his written summary, you’re right.

      2. Justice Holmes – you found a lie credible because of your own prejudice.

        Prejudice is no defense for either lying, or negligently repeating a lie that was easily disproven.

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