Mattis: “I Earned My Spurs On The Battlefield … Donald Trump Earned His Spurs In A Letter From A Doctor”

Ouch. Many of us were surprised when President Donald Trump launched into former US defense secretary James Mattis at his controversial meeting with Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Trump referred to him as “the world’s most overrated general” and claimed “I captured ISIS.” Mattis, who has been largely silent after his departure, delivered a body blow of a response as part of the annual Alfred E Smith Memorial Foundation dinner. Using the tradition roast format, Mattis found the perfect venue to hit Trump under the guise of humor. True to his training, the well-delivered lines aimed for critical organs. It could be worse: David Cameron just labeled Boris Johnson the “greased piglet” and meant it as a compliment in getting Brexit through Parliament.

Mattis, one of the most respected military minds in the United States, stated:

“I’m not just an overrated general. I’m the greatest, the world’s most overrated. I’m honoured to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress. So I guess I’m the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me.”

Then he delivered the coup de grace: “I earned my spurs on the battlefield … and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor” — a reference to the long questioned letter from Trump’s doctor that kept him out of the Vietnam War.

81 thoughts on “Mattis: “I Earned My Spurs On The Battlefield … Donald Trump Earned His Spurs In A Letter From A Doctor””

  1. Meanwhile, back in the real world:

    “A multiyear State Department probe of emails that were sent to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s private computer server concluded there was no systemic or deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees, according to a report submitted to Congress this month…..

    In the end, State Department investigators found 38 current or former employees “culpable” of violating security procedures — none involving material that had been marked classified — in a review of roughly 33,000 emails that had been sent to or from the personal computer system Clinton used.

    Overall, investigators said, “there was no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.” The report cited “instances of classified information being inappropriately” transmitted, but noted that the vast majority of those scrutinized “were aware of security policies and did their best to implement them.”….

    Diplomats involved in pressuring Ukraine to pursue investigations that would politically benefit Trump used private phones and texting apps to trade messages about their efforts, according to records released by leaders of the House impeachment inquiry….

    State Department officials denied any political agenda, saying the interviews were part of the final stages of an internal inquiry that the department was under pressure to complete this month. Among those applying pressure was Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), who had sent letters to the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security seeking updates…..”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-department-probe-of-clinton-emails-finds-no-deliberate-mishandling-of-classified-information/2019/10/18/83339446-f1dc-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html

    1. Anon, they need to start that whole investigation over. I cant believe Hillary ain’t done nothing wrong. That ain’t what I’m seeing .

  2. Since this thread is about Mattis being humerous I thought a rendition of Bernie and the Beatles would be appropriate. I can almost guarantee that even Anon and Peter will smile and maybe even burst out in hysterical laughter. Anonymous the Stupid won’t get it.

        1. here’s a funny one. Hillary says Dem POTUS candidate Tulsi Gabbar is a “Russian asset”!

          that should get a few laughs from them. Tell the old witch its time to go radio-silent, forever!

          https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard/index.html

          now for something less amusing but more interesting

          after decades, the infamous snitch and murderer Sammy Gravano gives an interview.

          Where’s he live? maybe next door– the feds gave him a new identity.

    1. “Since this thread is about Mattis being humerous [sic] I thought a rendition of Bernie and the Beatles would be appropriate.” Who else, but Allan.

      Yep. Brought to you by Allan “the Stupid”…

    2. Alan that would be funnier if they sang about tax cuts to billionaires. Round here we got a few rich folks doing really well. But most folks is barely making it. That’s why my neighbors use them pills everyone is suing.

      1. They sing about that often enough. Some things aren’t fair but the solution to the problems you see aren’t actually in the individual tax rates themselves. The top 1% pays more in taxes than the bottom 90%. I’m not sticking up for the billionaire rather trying to look at things the way they really are.

          1. A lot of those who “ain’t making enough to pay taxes” aren’t paying taxes NOW as a result of tax cuts.
            Those tax cuts, tax credits, etc. have knocked a lot of people who were previously paying income taxes completely off the tax rolls.

          2. Everyone should pay taxes, how much is a different story, but today all too many pay no taxes and therefore lose out on a stake in the system. The problem is that income may not be high enough or expectations too great. This leads to a very broad discussion that involves all sectors of society and not just the percentage tax rate. We have to remember too much government spending leads to depression of incomes. Incomes in the US in general are higher than the incomes of our western friends.

            1. Alan, as far as comedy sketches go, this video is well-done. I thought it was funny for a minute. But then I felt guilty for laughing.

              The video essentially makes fun of people lacking health insurance. Like they’re just losers unworthy of concern. ‘If they can’t get a job offering insurance, let them get cancer. Or at least a broken leg’.

              The video also ridicules Americans buried by student loans. ‘If they were too poor to afford college, let them wallow in debt. They should have gone to trade school instead!’ Never mind that student debt could stymie the economy for decades to come. ‘It’s silly issue only liberals worry about’.

              Therefore the subtext of this video is really kind of nasty. But that’s what makes it funny to Trumpers.

              1. Shill, you didn’t listen carefully enough. They are advising you to grow up and learn the value of money. Maybe you don’t realize it but a college degree doesn’t guarantee a high income. My plumber is earning more than some of my friend’s children that graduated from Ivy League colleges and is providing more value. Even my barber is earning more than some of them. They both have one thing in common. They are willing to work hard and provide a service people want while they attempt to provide the best service possible.

                This video demonstrates no disrespect to those that need healthcare or would like an education rather it is just trying to tell you that money doesn’t grow on trees. Money comes from hard work and devotion to whatever one does to get it.

                I know that this falls on deaf ears where you are concerned so I actually am speaking to others saying don’t let the Peter Shill Hill’s of the world guide your career and your life. Those Shills depend on the pain and discontent of others. That is what they live on.

    3. Allen,

      Article 1, Section 8 provides Congress the power to tax only for “…general Welfare,…” omitting and, thereby, deliberately excluding any power to tax for individual welfare. The same Section provides Congress the power to regulate only “…money…” and “…commerce among the several States.” The right to private property prohibits the possession or disposition of private property by Congress.

      The entire communistic American welfare state is unconstitutional including, but not limited to, affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, rent control, social services, forced busing, minimum wage, utility subsidies, WIC, TANF, HAMP, HARP, Dept.’s of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.

      The origial intent of theh American Founders was to restrict the vote in a republic, not a one man, one vote democrazy. Since inception in Greece, democracy has taken the republican form with restricitons on the right to vote.

      To wit,

      “The true reason (says Blackstone) of requiring any qualification, with regard to property in voters, is to exclude such persons, as are in so mean a situation, that they are esteemed to have no will of their own.”

      “If it were probable that every man would give his vote freely, and without influence of any kind, then, upon the true theory and genuine principles of liberty, every member of the community, however poor, should have a vote… But since that can hardly be expected, in persons of indigent fortunes, or such as are under the immediate dominion of others, all popular states have been obliged to establish certain qualifications, whereby, some who are suspected to have no will of their own, are excluded from voting; in order to set other individuals, whose wills may be supposed independent, more thoroughly upon a level with each other.”

      – Alexander Hamilton – The Farmer Refuted, 1775

      To vote in 1789, Americans generally must have been: Male, European, 21 with 50 lbs. Sterling or 50 acres.

        1. There is no rationale for a vote of people who are dependent and parasitic and who are not vested in the organization. Government under the Constitution exists only to facilitate the freedom of individuals.

          Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto 59 years after the adoption of the Constitution because none of the principles of the Communist Manifesto were in the Constitution. Had the principles of the Communist Manifesto been in the Constitution, Karl Marx would have had no reason to write the Communist Manifesto. The principles of the Communist Manifesto were not in the Constitution then and the principles of the Communist Manifesto are not in the Constitution now.

          The entire communistic American welfare state is unconstitutional.

          1. George, you are making points that have some reason, but fortunately or unfortunately have not been approved by the American public.

            Historically the vote was denied to non-land owners. The world has changed whether it be for good or bad.

  3. I’m not going to be puckering up for any American general. I don’t know which ones since Patton or the Korean war era I might admire. I can think of a few top Naval officers since him I admire but I”m not sure who else.

    There’s been countless many enlisted service people who deserved recognition and got none. Even as others harvested one accolade after another, sometimes unearned.

    Colonel is a one star. There’s been a lot of many fine patriotic and courageous Colonels and their equivalent who come and go and like the enlisted never get too much thanks

    Here’s one who retired as a full colonel and was immediately attacked by the Army for saying doubts about Vietnam. he became a peace activist too. And this guy was a real killer too, not a pencil necked geek.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth

    Get his book if you like military history its excellent “About Face”

    https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3AColonel+David+H.+Hackworth&s=relevancerank&text=Colonel+David+H.+Hackworth&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1

  4. Wow! Dude cracks a joke and people here act like he’s a traitor to the nation. I think some of the people on this comment section need to take the advice of their fellow Trumpsters who are always telling libs to get a sense of humor and lighten up. Sad.

  5. Then he delivered the coup de grace: “I earned my spurs on the battlefield … and Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor” — a reference to the long questioned letter from Trump’s doctor that kept him out of the Vietnam War.

    True enough.

    But ordering US service personal to leave Syria has nothing to do with spurs and everything to do with spine.

    Spine is something the general has apparently lost on the battlefield.

    What type of “leader” willingly sacrifices his men/women in support of multiple fools errands overseas where zero US national security interests at stake?

  6. It would seem that the extremely impolitic General Mattis has just insulted a whole lot of Americans.

    The T3R or ratio of support to combat troops varies but was rumored to be as high as 8:1 in Vietnam. That excluded counts of civilian support. The American population was about 200 million in 1965 when President Trump was 19 and possibly “eligible” for the draft. 2.7 million men served in Vietnam over about ten years. At a ratio of 8:1, only 338,000 American men actually fought in combat in Vietnam. One way or another, a whole bunch of American men got out of war, combat or actual war fighting in the Vietnam era. President Trump wasn’t the only one. I’m not even going to mention the combat and actual war-fighting contribution of those brave and courageous women who rail hysterically and incoherently (while not increasing the American population having opted out of their natural role of procreation) in Washington D.C. and elsewhere – oh, that female contribution, by the way, was zero.

    What’s in your DD214?

    1. I didn’t serve. But I know a few guys with distinguished service in Vietnam and other theatres of war. Guys who are about as bitter about it as was Ron Kovic was played by Tom Cruise “Born on the Fourth of July” a movie worth seeing if you haven’t

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8NR6n1nRMI

      some people have a lot more to brag about than Mattis where combat and personal bravery is concerned. This is really besides the point. A person can be brave in physical things and still not brave morally. Ron Kovic became a morally brave peace activist. Whether I would agree with every thing he said or not. Now, I wouldn’t know if Mattis is either sort of brave, though the mass media will kiss his fanny hard now.

      Trump is implied to be not; but right now he is one of the bravest billionaires in the modern era for taking on his own globalist class of troublemakers. Who will send their minions to lie and insult him every day.

      God bless him for it!

      And we can see how the Democrats do it. the one who serves active duty Tulsi Gabbard is smeared by Hillary as a “russian asset.”

      https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard/index.html

      God bless Tulsi Gabbard too!

      1. JFK served…on a super ski boat in the South Pacific; no doubt drinking Mai Tais all day long – that is, before the idiot so failed at his command that PT 109 was cut in half by a Japanese destroyer killing two and injuring others and, of course, JFK, son of the Ambassador to the Court of Saint James, filthy rich rum smuggler and stock market manipulator, was crowned a hero.

  7. Mattis is sucking up to a bunch of Trump haters. Have fun Mattis. Really, they hate you too. But have fun with it, while it lasts.

    See a top general is above all, a sycophant, of other previous generals. Trump manhandled his pride, and now Mattis is crying out like a fool, when he should have retained his previous reticence. Now Mattis is sucking up to new masters.

    Maybe Mattis thinks the Deep State has a slot for him when the coup succeeds? If it does. If.

  8. Turley wants to work for Buzzfeed. He speaks of “bodyblows” when it looks like he’s never won an actual fight in his life.

    The serious issue at hand is Syria and our crazy military being the world’s police. Trump has taken on the military leadership that has eagerly engaged in these self-destructive dirty wars. Trump is being proven right on Syria and the warmongers don’t like it one bit. The people agree with Trump and the lefties hate him for it.

    Jimmy Dore(progressive, anti-establishment), put up an excellent video regarding our support of the jihadists:

  9. Mattis was a general under Trump and therefore Trump’s foreign policy prevailed. I don’t pretend to be able to judge foreign policy decisions lacking all the details but look at what Pence said:

    “Today, I’m proud to report—thanks to the strong leadership of President Donald Trump and the strong relationship between President Erdogan and Turkey and the United States of America—that today the United States and Turkey have agreed to a cease fire in Syria.”

    If things continue in that fashion that will prove Trump’s decision regarding the Kurds was a reasonable decision. We will have to wait years to figure out if it was good or not.

    1. Trump’s tweet:

      “About 500,000 human beings were killed in Syria while Barack Obama was president & leading for a “political settlement” to that civil war. Media has been more outraged in the last 72 hours over our Syria policy than they were at any point during 7 years of slaughter.” BuckSexton

      1. While Trump is reducing violence in the middle east here is the left’s answer to a reduction in violence anywhere in the world.

        1. awful mob violence from the domestic terror group ANTIFA allowed to run free and wild by incompetent police

          will they be corralled before vigilantes counter-attack? what they’re inviting will make a few “proud boys” look like “choir boys”

          see them blocking roads and throwing rocks at cars? that’s what caused the crazy guy at charlottesville to run them over., but a lot of people would react the same way if they were blocked on the roads and their cars attacked.

          1. Kurtz, I believe a good number of ANTIFA folk are bused around the country. Eventually more will get smart like was done elsewhere and take their pictures without masks and post them on the Internet.

            1. oh, that’s been going on for years now. but it gets knocked offline. it gets buried under a thousand links. the advertising pull is not out there to make them known. also a lot of them are unemployed losers and welfare and trust fund parasites of one variety or another, who can’t be “Doxxed” in the same way some working stiff can who dares to go out and exercise his own free speech rights and assemble.

              this is why it was so key for Silicon Valley to begin editing their platforms for politically incorrect opinions– among other reasons, to hide the truth about their ugly shock troops from the public

    2. What about ISIS people say? What about ISIS? Did the Europeans take responsibility for their own citizens that fought with ISIS? No. Did America? Yes, we repatriated them and put them in jail.

      Suddenly….

      “….I have just been notified that some European Nations are now willing, for the first time, to take the ISIS Fighters that came from their nations. This is good news, but should have been done after WE captured them. Anyway, big progress being made!!!!” ___Donald J. Trump

  10. Mattis and Trump, both great men that have meet on the stage of humor. A pin prick of blood from both has been shed but both have been productive men that have led America in a positive direction. I salute both of them though some take this opportunity to declare a great win against the President. That is a measly win suggesting that their wins are of little value and sparse.

    In this case the President caused me some angst but a man doing so many great things so quickly and effectively can be expected to bobble once in awhile.

  11. Trump has no filter. Sometimes that works to his advantage, and the advantage of others. Sometimes not.

  12. Well, the real question is, what does Mattis believe we should do in the Middle East, and how does that square with what Trump believes. Simply being a general does not mean that you are right in your conclusions about how to proceed. In every battle, at least one of the two generals FAILS. At least one of the two general’s Battle Plan was a flop. Abraham Lincoln faced that a lot. That is why he kept replacing generals, and why they were pretty irritated with them. Like with Mattis, and if Trump is right, they were over-rated.

    I remember something George Patton wrote in his autobiography. He said, something like, “I was never too impressed with all the GREAT people I met.”

    And don’t forget, Tulsi Gabbard is also somebody who serves in the military, and is a Major. She thinks we need to get out of Syria, too. Of course, there is the Kurd stuff which I think she has to talk about because you know, OrangeMan bad.. Which Kurt Schlichter has a good take on the Kurds, to wit:
    —-

    Take the Northern Syrian crisis – please. I generally side with the non-commie Kurds over the Turks, but facts are facts and facts mean something. We keep hearing how we “betrayed our allies,” but who promised the Kurds that we would fight Turkey on their behalf? It’s a big jump from “Let’s both fight ISIS” to “Take that, NATO ally.” But our garbage media, and our garbage politicians, sort of hand wave away the fact that you can’t “betray” someone by not doing what you never promised to do, especially when no reasonable person could ever expect you to do it.

    And then there’s the Kurdish monolith issue – all Kurds are not created equal. There are different Kurd factions and different Kurd groups, and some Kurds are communists. In fact, we’ve designated the very Kurds Turkey says it’s going after (the PKK) as terrorists based on their actual terrorism. Certainly, at the start of the story you probably couldn’t have expected our reporters and our politicians to tell Kurd X from Kurd Y without a program (in a better world, though, we’d expect them to zip it until they could), but when we’re a week-plus into what is allegedly the greatest atrocity ever was (because they think they can pin it on Trump) and they are still pretending that all Kurds are sweet n’ cuddly, they are lying to you.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/schlichter-bad-gaslighting-epidemic-sweeps-elite
    ——
    It’s a really good and funny article, and well worth reading! A lot more in it than just the Syria stuff.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  13. Not a smart move to go after Mattis.

    Many of us conservatives admire Mattis and wish that he were still a part of the administration.

    Go after Pelosi, Schumer, or LeBron James, those are deserving targets.

    1. Monument, he can’t control his narcissistic impulses which means loyalty to others is meaningless to him. We’ve seen this time and time again with those who once worked for and with him. Given that Mattis, as a matter of stated principle has refused to speak ill of Trump as a sitting president – and this during a book tour when headlines would make him money – his impulse to save his own a.s overcome reason.

      1. “Monument, he can’t control his narcissistic impulses which means loyalty to others is meaningless to him.”
        ***********************
        Or … he doesn’t suffer fools gladly. If that’s the case, I’d recommend you get your WH job application back

    2. mc:
      Mattis seems like an heroic figure whose ego got in the way when he met some criticism. He’s hardly unique there but cozying up to uber leftist, child abuse excusing Moscow Meryl is hardly a good move — in humor or otherwise.

      Generals seem to come in two varities: the ones who are in the foxholes at night and wake up shivering, or the ones who fly into their quarters after the fighting is done, visit the front for a couple of hours then hustle back to base to be wined and dined then awakened at 6 am by their aide de camp with coffee and heated MREs. Don’t know about Mattis.

      1. Obviously to even a 3rd grader, Mattis claimed the Streep comparison based on her acting creds, not her political opinions which he may be only dimly aware of.

        But hey, carry on trying to make the thread about Streep.

      2. Meryl Streep is a beloved actress, having earned the accolades, respect and earnigs of millions of followers. She can do no harm

      3. American generals has since World War Two, including world war two, been mostly about administrative efficiency. They are bureaucrats in uniform, for the most part, and their most important features are being able to properly aim the powerful firehose of logistics flowing out overwhelming American material superiority.

        I don’t say this to diminish them, just to dispel the notion that they are men of martial skill and the sort of virtue one has associated with warriors since the time of Achilles.

        https://nypost.com/2014/08/06/last-us-general-killed-in-combat-was-in-vietnam-in-1970/

        nearly 50 years of world conquest since an American general was KIA

        1. 40/1,100 US generals died in ww ii….among the germans and russians, way way more

          https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/americas-world-war-ii-generals-saved-world-56912

          german generals among all the combatants of world war II were the most reknowned for leading battle from the front and not the rear. the Desert Fox Erwin Rommel was best known but in this aspect, only one of many

          as donald trump would say, but they lost. so there’s a lesson in that about modern warfare, perhaps.

          among the past 50 years, another country stands out for exposing their generals to harm in combat:

          Israel…. in the six days war in 1967 Israel lost 9 generals in combat.

          interesting things to ponder.

        2. Foreign affairs now owned by Jeff Bezos applauds the REMF trend among our generalship

          https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/12/the-end-of-the-fighting-general/

          says this is the nature of modern war. and perhaps it is.

          in either case, for a successful country like ours that has for so long kept civilian command of the military firmly in place, in contrast to so many other regimes long gone by, it’s unseemly for generals to talk too much about their former civilian bosses. they can have an opinion like every other American but they should be careful. these remarks were not exactly “careful.” they were arrogant and prideful and if Trump’s arrogance is a fault, then mattis should not have matched it.

        3. I don’t say this to diminish them, just to dispel the notion that they are men of martial skill and the sort of virtue one has associated with warriors since the time of Achilles.

          Have you reviewed the service records of our 4-stars to determine which had a history in combat?

          1. i looked at Mattis. He’s a marine so we know he’s at least a rifleman.

            He does have combat decorations. The details are not clear in the time i had to look.

            Usually they will all have combat deployments. This is considered a ticket they need to punch.

            I don’t think it matters too much, because that level is not about pulling the trigger, of course.
            But, they should not boast too much or pretend to be like war-chiefs of old.

          1. mespo – judges really have a handle on the case but are caught between a rock and a hard spot. Both attorneys were excellent. Defense is asking for double jeopardy to attach.

      1. She said previous occupants of the White House were transparent??? Like Obama???

        BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        And did not wield an “executive whip”??? Like Obama??? How many times did the courts slap him down???

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

    1. Yeah, contrast that with the thick skinned, self loving, narcissistic, chicken-hawkish, botox-injected imbecile. How does that look?

      1. The term ‘chicken-hawk’ does not mean what you fancy it means. And there’s no indication the President has had botox treatments. That’s the speaker.

      2. It’s amazing how this man, DJT, can bring out the worst in everyone.The list is endless. Welcome to the club General. Take your seat right behind our good Professor JONATHAN TURLEY.

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