Hillary Clinton: Nobody Likes Bernie

One of the most curious things to watch after the 2016 election was the unrelenting reclamation project called Hillary Clinton. It seems the unending work of powerful figures in the Washington and Hollywood establishment. The project now has a name: “Hillary.” It is the latest documentary on Hulu that seeks to show how Hillary was a victim of sexism but remains the oracle of our age. The work was the brainchild of producer Howard T. Owens and Washington power broker Robert Barnett who represents Clinton. Barnett offered undisclosed footage as an enticement for another effort to repackage Clinton’s historic loss to Trump. The film by Nanette Burstein apparently will be largely devoid of critical voices, except Hillary’s of course. Lashing out at her critics, she takes particular aim at Bernie Sanders who she seems to blame for ruining her coronation but making the 2016 Democratic primary competitive. In an ironic projection, she declares that “no one likes Bernie” — a curious view since it took the help of the DNC to rig the primary against his surging support in 2016.  Clinton also pointedly declined to promise that she would support Sanders if he won the primary. Update:  Clinton received overwhelming criticism and later backtracked to say she would support the nominee while adding “I thought everyone wanted my authentic, unvarnished views!”  It was a reminder to many why Clinton remains an unpopular figure with many voters. Update:  Clinton received overwhelming criticism and later backtracked to say she would support the nominee while adding “I thought everyone wanted my authentic, unvarnished views!”  It was a reminder to many why Clinton remains an unpopular figure with many voters.

The interview is classic Clinton. She feigns reluctance to criticize Sanders during the primary. She insists “I am not going to go there yet” and then goes there. Her attack on Sanders is read to her and then she strongly eludes to his sexism and his cabal of supporters.

After the election, Clinton alternatively blamed sexismracismself-hating womendomineering boyfriendsRussian hackersBernie Sanders, and of course, James Comey.  The most obvious reason is that Clinton remains a highly unpopular figure and was viewed as inauthentic on the campaign by many.  Many of us were critical when the Democratic establishment (and virtually every Democratic member of Congress) all but guaranteed the nomination of Clinton despite every poll showing her to be unpopular and the voters seeking an anti-establishment choice.

Now her ire appears directed at Sanders. In an embarrassingly one sided interview on documentary, Lacey Rose quotes Clinton in saying “He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It’s all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.” She goes to say that “people got sucked into” his campaign and strongly suggests that he is himself sexist. (“I’m not going to go there yet. We’re still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it’s not only him, it’s the culture around him. It’s his leadership team. It’s his prominent supporters. It’s his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women.”)

It seems like powerful figures will not stop in this reclamation project until people relent and agree that Hillary lost because of sexism, Comey, Sanders, self-loathing women, a conservative cabal, and other late additions to the Clinton black list. The recurring suggestion that that there was no reason why the voters would oppose Hillary so it must have just been sexism.  It simply cannot be that she was universally viewed as inauthentic due to her refusal to answer questions directly or her changing her positions on core issues from gay marriage to war powers to suit the polls. It cannot be that she remained one of the biggest war hawks in Washington or that she and her husband cashed in on speeches and deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

The problem is that it has not worked. She remains highly unpopular with voters so the public is being called to yet another reeducation on the life and continuing times of Hillary Clinton. The question is whether a general statement of concession will end this never ending reclamation project.  Even Sanders might be willing to sign on to such a collective capitulation in the interest of just moving on.

167 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton: Nobody Likes Bernie”

  1. JT finds another democratic target when the rest of the nation is focusing on the impeachment of Trump – no one likes him – and doubles the hypocrisy by parroting the falsebaccusation that the DNC chose Hillary.

    JT. Look at me! Hillary beat Bernie among democratic VOTERS by 55% to 42%. She slaughtered him, not the DNC.

    H

    1. try again most people are flat out ignoring it

      most of YOU GUYS are obsessing over it

      we are going to put the news on IGNORE for 3 weeks and then it will be done

      then let your capo ex cia chief Brennan think up another attempted coup if he’s got any fresh ideas

      1. Yeah Kurtz, if I was foolish enough to still be a Trump supporter I might be trying to ignore the news as well. That goes a long way toward explaining the obvious ignorance of most Trumpsters here about the evidence, you included. Turkey feeds you daily right wing outrage pills to keep you busy and so you’re focused on Lawrence ODonnell and Hillary Clinton who – -guess what! – are not in the news at all.

        1. Trump Administration Accomplishments

          Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
          More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
          We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
          Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
          Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
          New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
          Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
          African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
          Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
          Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
          Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
          Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
          Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
          Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
          Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
          The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
          95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
          Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
          Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
          As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
          Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
          Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
          Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
          Record number of regulations eliminated.
          Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
          Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
          My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
          Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
          We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
          Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
          Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
          We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
          Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
          Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
          United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
          Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
          Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
          Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
          NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
          Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
          Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
          Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
          Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
          Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
          Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
          Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
          Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
          Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
          Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
          Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
          Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
          Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
          We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

          1. Allan, polls show that 58% of the country believes Trump has engaged in impeachment-related crimes. And 51% wants Trump removed from office.

            1. Well that’s encouraging, I thought it would have been higher. To think the progressives were doing so well nudging this country towards the socialist cliff. Then along comes the anointed one that arrogantly believed we needed a big shove, so he could finish the whole thing on his watch. Well that didn’t work out as planned. Neither did the plan to hand it over to Clinton. Now, not only has President Trump stopped their movement dead in it’s tracks, he is reversing their efforts that have been decades in the making. The icing on the cake is progressives have spawned a new interest in civics literacy.

              This is awesome!

            2. Peter, you should learn how polls work and what they mean. The press is hammering out a false version of what has happened and the pollsters are pretty bad to begin with. If one wants to look at the polls, as bad as they are, one might want to look at the favorability ratings and see all sorts of groups looking favorably at Trump including Blacks and HIspanics. I think one favorability poll among Blacks brings Trump to 30% which is quite high for a Republican.

              I am not telling you to believe in any of these polls but when you compare the favorablity rating to the numbers you provide above the numbers don’t jive.

              Now think, what is going to happen after Trump is found not guilty? Trump is doing well and most likely will be reelected along with the Senate and a probability of a House win as time progresses.

            3. Allan, polls show that 58% of the country believes Trump has engaged in impeachment-related crimes. And 51% wants Trump removed from office.

              Your favorite cherry-picked push-poll says that.

              1. DSS, be careful. Peter’s ego is near non-existent so he has to keep changing his name. Let him use this faux statistic as a pacifier.

            1. Are you stupid enough to believe that I would write all those out myself? I guess you are and that is why you are known as Anonymous the Stupid.

              1. Allan likes to try to take credit for the work of others.

                How hard is it to supply a link and/or a source.

                But that’s how Allan the Stupid operates.

                He thinks he’s smart, but he’s not. It’s just Allan being stupid.

                1. Anonymous the stupid, you might need to take credit for the work of others but I don’t have to. If you couldn’t tell that list was copied then you are stupider than even I thought.

                  1. We knew the “list” wasn’t your work, Allan.

                    Quotation marks and a source, buddy. How hard is it. Oh, wait. It’s Allan, so it’s VERY hard.

                    Carry on Dunce-Allan.

                    1. Quotation marks weren’t necessary and why should I bother wasting time providing you with anything. I like the fact that you have to do some work. This type of thing is very easy to find. You don’t read and you don’t comment on the issues. All you are capable of doing is throwing out insults like you are doing now. That is why you are called Anonymous the Stupid.

                      Do you take issue with any of the first 10 accomplishments? That is what is intended to be discussed. I’ll provide you the first 10 so you can review them again and see if you are able to comment intelligently.

                      Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
                      More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
                      We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
                      Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
                      Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
                      New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
                      Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
                      African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
                      Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
                      Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

                    2. “Allan says:January 21, 2020 at 10:40 PM
                      Quotation marks weren’t necessary”

                      =====

                      Uh, yeah. Actually they were “necessary.” Are those your own words, Allan?

                      The answer is “no.” So, yes, “dunce”-boy — quotation marks were “necessary.”

          2. Even with the media not publishing these facts, it baffles me as to how 1/2 the nation can ignore these results.

            1. Bob, people occupy themselves with their jobs and families so many are uninformed and then there are those that are terminally Stupid. I think when you subtract those that either work for government, live off government or want to live off government are subtracted from the total that the 1/2 number rises substantially.

              1. Public sector workers per se are not your problem, except when compensation issues and rifs are on the table. There are subsets of them which are, essentially people who work for school systems, social service bureaucracies, and higher education. Private sector employees in those industries are scarcely more congenial. Your problems therein are with salaried employees, not the hourly staff, and with ‘line’ employees rather than ‘staff’ employees.

                Also, pensioners are not your problem. There’s cohort-to-cohort variation, but as a general rule, Republicans perform satisfactorily with people collecting Social Security and Medicare (and Veteran’s benefits).

                Other sorts of beneficiaries can be a problem, but remember the confounding variables. Blacks, certain subsets of the hispanic population (Puerto Ricans, California Chicanos), single mothers, cohorts of a certain vintage will vote Democratic no matter what their household economy looks like. These categories are correlated with current beneficiary status.

                The ‘free sh!t coalition’ discourse is wildly over-stated.

                1. DSS, you have a handle on statistics so I carefully listen to what you say. Are you saying that government employees vote equally for both parties and that teachers follow suit? That has not been my impression. I wasn’t considering pensioners in the group mentioned except if they fit into the other groups I am considering.

                  AS far as Blacks and Hispanics the Republicans never did as well with them. Are you saying the trend is not leading to more of those groups voting Republican in 2020?

                  1. No, Allen, I’m saying government employees per se are not systematically antagonistic to the Republican Party. Subsets of the public sector certainly are, e.g. social workers, school administrators, administration and faculty in higher education, and (to a lesser degree) school teachers.

                    Most voting blacks prior to 1932 were Republicans. Between 1932 and 1964, most voted Democratic (as did urban ethnics generally), but you had a large Republican minority (perhaps 30% of the total). It was only in 1964 that blacks lined up behind the Democratic Party with the margins they do today. As for the hispanic population, Cubans vote Republican (as a rule), Puerto Ricans and California Chicanos vote Democratic by large margins, and other hispanics favor the Democratic Party but give a large minority of their ballots to Republicans. (I think Texas Chicanos split about 60-40).

                    Leaving aside Social Security, Medicare, Veterans benefits, unemployment compensation, and workmen’s compensation, beneficiary populations consist of people partaking of Medicaid, SNAP, housing vouchers, TANF, LiHeap, miscellaneous nutrition programs, and sundry state-level programs. ‘Welfare’ used to refer to income-replacement programs like AFDC and general relief. Not many states offer general relief anymore (New York is one; you can stay on the rolls for 24 months per lifetime), and the TANF rolls are down to 4 million people. The clientele for thee programs is disproportionately drawn from population subsets that tend to vote Democratic whether they’re on the rolls or not. Being on the rolls may have some influence on people’s propensity to vote Democratic, but the magnitude of it is overstated.

                    1. “No, Allen, I’m saying government employees per se are not systematically antagonistic to the Republican Party.”

                      DSS, we are not talking about antagonism rather how people vote. Let’s take it one step at a time. The federal government employs several million employees. Do they vote Democratic or Republican? There are millions of public school teachers. Do they vote Democratic or Republican? Does it appear that Trump is taking more or less of the Black and Hispanic vote than other Republicans in recent years?

                      Maybe you and I are talking about different things

            1. “Veracity of statements by Donald Trump”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

              “Donald Trump has made many false or misleading statements, including thousands during his presidency. Commentators and fact-checkers have described this as “unprecedented” in American politics,[4][5][6][7] and the consistency of these falsehoods has become a distinctive part of both his business and political identity.[8] Trump is known to have made controversial statements and subsequently deny having done so,[9][10] and by June 2019, many news organizations had started describing some of his falsehoods as lies.[11] The Washington Post said that his frequent repetition of false claims amounts to a campaign based on disinformation.[12]”

              1. Wikipedia is known to spin far left on political issues. Stupid people quote without thinking about the accuracy of what they are quoting.

            2. Anonymous the Stupid, I encourage everyone to fact check everything I say and to show me when I am wrong. I will thank those people for their assistance.

              Little you say is of any importance and you frequently you didn’t even know the meaning of what you copied from the net. You aren’t very bright so it would be best for you to keep your mouth shut. With the mouth shut you will be seen as more intelligent.

                1. Anonymous the Stupid take note how your comments don’t deal with substance. That is why you are designated as Anonymous the Stupid and have become a landmark on this blog. I made you famous.

                  1. You’re a joke, Allan.

                    “With the mouth shut you will be seen as more intelligent.”

                    Again — heed your own words.

    2. Uh,. . . the Impeachment is a “Democratic target”, dude. Or dudette, whatever. Their impeachment process is as laughable as the Obamacare website when it first came out.

      My goodness, but here is Biden openly confessing a “quid pro quo” on camera, with the same country, and he is leading the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination. At the same time the Democrats are trying to impeach Trump for the same thing, WITHOUT ANY PROOF.

      Geesh, are the Democrats are goofy or what??? I think the Dems need to be cult-deprogrammed.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      1. Nice. Took the ‘e’ from the end of Fromme and replaced the ‘a’ in Squeaky. Creative. But do you really think she’d say “Geesh”??? Thought she was too busy trying to shoot republican presidents.

          1. And you recognize I can spell! I’m honored. But why do you find yourself in this den of dirty goat impulse? Seems history is calling for your talents again.

                    1. Tomato, tomahto. You say her work with George was special. I think her work with Gerald showed true potential. She was pretty adept at razor work on the forehead as well.

                    2. Elvis – her gun skills were subpar, as were her razor skills. However, according to all reports, she sure could keep George Spahn happy.

    3. Book, that’s beside the point. You see Hillary’s decisive primary win had to be the result rigged state elections that mainstream media covered up.

  2. Bernie can’t win; Hillary won’t run and God help us if Biden wins. The rest of the Dim clown car are unpleasant diversions from the real game. That said, it is time again for that Lie-awatha theme song I love so with the best organ solo ever on the planet:

    1. “Nobody likes him” is a mean girl quote I would hear in the middle school cafeteria when I was teaching.

    2. No, Paul, you would not have voted for Bernie. No Trumper would. It would be like Reagan supporters claiming that Democrats screwed Jesse Jackson. That’s how dumb and disingenuous it gets.

          1. Anonymous – during the Clinton – Lewinski scandal, Jesse Jackson came to the WH with his pregnant mistress to counsel the President. Yeppers!!!!

      1. Peter, Bernie was screwed and he is being screwed again by the party and by the media. Honest people recognize these things even if they don’t like Bernie. A good number of Bernie supporters didn’t just sit out the election but made a counscious decision to support Trump. That tells you some important things about some Democrats and what Trump represents. It also should alert you that if things remain approximately the same Trump and the Republicans will have a huge win in 2020.

        1. Trump won’t have a huge win. The electorate is too pillarized for that to happen. Barack Obama had absolutely dream conditions in 2008 and he did no better than did George Bush the Elder in 1988 (which was a middling performance by the standard of popular elections held prior to 1992).

          The real anxiety concerns the quantum of electoral fraud the Democrats manage. This could be the first seriously disputed presidential election in 140-odd years. More so if they manage to steal Senate seats, as they’ve done in Minnesota and Washington state in the last 20-odd years.

          1. The real anxiety concerns the quantum of electoral fraud the Democrats manage.

            Something’s afoot. Normally I would agree that given the utter insanity on display in the Democrat party, along with the state of the economy, etc., the President should win in a landslide. However normal no longer exists. In fact the pace with which the Democrat party has outrun the electorate to the Left would normally be considered malpractice. Watch out.

          2. DSS, I am a little more optimistic than you with regard to how the public actually votes. In the area of fraud and intervention I think I am more pessimistic. Since a good portion of the nation decided long ago where they will cast their votes things might be close like you say but I take into account that a lot of people might not vote and Trump’s voters might be energized.

  3. Turley Parrots Trump/Sanders Line

    Perhaps Professor Turley saw this in a Facebook meme:

    “It took the help of the DNC to rig the primary against his surging support in 2016”.

    Fact: Bernie waited 50 years to join the Democratic Party. Then, just a few weeks after joining the party, Sanders announced he was running for the Democratic nomination.

    To put this in perspective, it would be like waiting 50 years to join a labor union, then expecting that union to elect you president shortly after joining. Realistically any union would say, “You”ve got to pay your dues”.

    The 2016 primaries had barely begun when Sanders was already accusing Clinton of rigging the campaign. In Arizona the Republican controlled election apparatus made last minute changes to polling sites in Hispanic communities. That change resulted in a great deal of confusion which was well-documented by mainstream media. Yet incredibly Sanders blamed that confusion on Clinton!

    There came a point in late March of 2016 where Clinton had essentially clinched the nomination. Had Sanders graciously exited the campaign then, he would be Vice President today. But by then Bernie had become addicted to his rock star status with young crowds. So Bernie remained in the primaries, with no path to victory, simply as an ego trip. No wonder the DNC soured on Bernie! No one tried harder to alienate their party.

    Political parties are in the business of ‘politics’. So of course their decisions are going to be political. Candidates in down-ballot races didnt want the onus of defending Bernie’s spending proposals. Who can blame them!! Democrats had worked their tails off to implement Obamacare and Benie wanted to junk it for something much bigger.

    Then there were the Bernie Bros, Sanders overzealous supporters. They were smearing Clinton on a daily basis. Their memes, on Facebook, were often the same memes Trumpers were posting; vicious, irrational messages that often came from Russian trolls.

    One meme, for instance, showed Clinton boarding a plane with the seat of her skirt photoshopped a hideous brown to suggest she had deficated on herself. Yuk, yuk..! Bernie Bros couldn’t post that enough. Another Sanders meme pictured a May Day rally in Havana Cuba with 100,000 people marching. But the caption claimed it was a Sanders rally in California that mainstream media had covered up! Bernie Bros were too stupid to figure out that photo was Havana.

    And that was the problem with Bernie Bros, a large ratio of them were political neophytes who knew nothing about the Social Sciences. They didn’t know Havana from Santa Monica. Yet they were aggressively attacking the DNC while expecting that same leadership to make Bernie their nominee. In that regard they were leftist counterparts to Trumpers.

    The Republican Party had no Superdelegates to deny Trump the nomination. And now the GOP is totally invested in a president facing impeachment on an election year. Which goes to show that Superdelegates aren’t such a bad idea.

    1. the meatphor is not apt
      realistically unions will work with executives in an expedient fashion as the opportunity presents itself

      remember when the AFL and CIO merged in 55? history. imagine one side telling the other they hadnt enough tenure!

      since the the democratic socialists like bernie and the Democrat leadership are so close now, it’s natcheral

    2. also. super-delegates are a fine idea. Especially for when an inner core of a party wants to keep CONTROL.

      kind of like voting versus nonvoting shares in a corporation!

      you know i have always felt that while corporate board votes are fair, where one man can have a million votes if he owns a million shares, this one man one vote thing in public government elections, stinks!

      Maybe we could do a blended vote system based on “social credit” lol

      maybe we should apply them to other things and get rid of the “one man one vote” thing altogether. I’m in favor !
      for example:

      How about a plus one vote if you can pass a literacy and numeracy test?

      How about landowners get a plus one vote too?

      How about a special poll tax which if paid gives you a plus one vote too?

      How about you get one extra vote if you are a responsible parent, paying to bring forth and raise the new generation?

      Want felons to vote? OK. But I get an extra vote since I’m not a felon!

      How about people who had an ancestor who fought in the War of Independence?

      Then, since I have documented fact that one of my lineal ancestors was a surgeon in the Continental Army, I get two votes for president instead of two. As part of my total votes. Or maybe we should have a bonus vote for every lineal descendant who was a war veteran of the United States? I like that even better.

      We could really fix the franchise up that way. I’d also suggest a plus one vote for being born in the United States instead of naturalized. How about a plus one vote if you have a doctorate level degree, too? or maybe some people would want to recommend that for a minus one blended vote.

      On second thought, probably i wouldn’t like this system, since if you guys were in charge it would work like this

      one man one vote baseline. white guys are stuck with one vote.
      plus three if you’re a movie star
      plus two if you’re black
      plus one if you’re hispanic
      plus one if you’re a woman
      plus one if you’re an immigrant
      plus one if you’re gay
      plus five if you’re trans

      so somebody like whopee goldberg might have a plus five vote depending on how you set it up.

      gee, you guys might get carried away. somehow, Hillary would end up in charge I’m sure. she’s clever!

      the PRC is working on a thing like this called “Social Credit’ except they don’t have any elections so it will just apply to other stuff.

      1. Kurtz, look at the model of home owners associations. One home one vote by the owner of the home whether it be small or large. I am not saying that is the best but it certainly has clear rationals.

        1. of course. im just illustrating a point about “superdelegates”

          and also corporate share voting

          that most fools dont understand at all

          there are also parliamentary systems which allow for proportional representation that offer a valid alternative to a bipartisan system like ours … probably not a better alternative, but a valid one

          people should inform themselves and not just be lead by the nose

          try and cast your vision out farther and see where the leadership is taking you!

          Democrats are playing for a demographic majority and an ultimate de facto one party system like Chicago

          which would be a national DISASTER

    1. do you know how much lev parnas matters?
      even less than how many hookers bill clinton has paid the past year
      it’s irrelevant!

  4. does she mention the 37 reasons she lost the election. the sanders followers should pay attention to what all democrat politicians think of Bernie.

  5. Hillary Clinton said women who didn’t vote for her were either controlled by their misogynist husbands, or hated their own gender.

    By those statements she proclaimed her gender fools and weak, projecting her own disdain for her gender onto others. Connecting with people has always been difficult for her. She appears to make these statements, and then have no idea why anyone would find her off putting.

    Meanwhile, the <iNYT virtue signaled, making it clear they only endorsed the women of the bunch. Why not just say they endorsed anyone-but-Trump?

  6. Hillary’s disdain for the electorate is evident at each and every appearance she makes. Her shrill attitude and feigned warmth are not lost on most people. The fact that she sabotaged Bernie’s campaign tells the voters all they need to know about who she really is. She couldn’t beat him fair and square. No one likes a cheater. Time for her to make a graceful exit from the political limelight, she has passed her prime.

  7. Hillary Clinton lost the election for one simple reason – voters in most of the country saw through her. The majority of her votes came from states populated by large numbers of people who will vote for whoever the Democratic Party nominates. It is interesting that one of the states where she got the lowest percentage of votes is Arkansas, where she was first lady and where people know her all too well and where she has a reputation as a crook. Note that when they left the White House, she and Bill did not go back there, because they knew she didn’t have a snowball’s chance of ever getting elected to anything there. Instead, she went to New York where the left-wing establishment is greatest. The woman is simply unelectable anywhere else.

    1. Insightful And false. Not that losing the state where you lived in the governor’s mansion is a good thing. But Trump lost New York big.and will lose even worse this time around.No one from New York is really surprised he’s made of his presidency what he has…, he’s a con man and NY knew it.

      1. Elvis, we keep hearing the description con man, but there is a more accurate description, promoter. Trump promotes good policy and previously was a builder/ promoter and one who promoted a brand. He was quite successful and for years had ideas about where America was going wrong. He expressed those ideas publically for almost 40 years and for the most part has been relatively consistent. At the same time he was liked by both Democrats and Republicans. The hate didn’t start until Hillary and he were both in the running for the Presidency. In fact when Melania and Trump were married Hillary and Bill Clinton were VIP guests.

        1. Bahahahaha! The guy didn’t pay his bills then. He doesn’t pay them now. Don’t spread those gullible germs on me.

          1. Such foolish talk. Do you wish to discuss the bills that weren’t paid? I’ll wait for your discussion but recognizing that all too frequently people know little about what they are talking about I will assume that to be true for you as well.

            1. And you’d assume wrong. Naturally. I’ll draw up the shorthand since the examples are so plentiful: two basic Trump patterns…, either he just doesn’t pay and says come sue me like he did with an architect friend. Or he does what my steel worker friends found…negotiate a contract, wait until 75 percent is done then he’ll demand renegotiation (.backs out of deal). Then he’d sue, tie you up in court. Then he’d come back and say ‘hey, this project got out of han, finish it for whatever I want to pay you, we’ll make it up next project’ Then he does the exact same thing. Standard Trump. He does it in every town he does a rally in now.

              1. Hey, let’s talk Trump University and the foundation he’s been barred from having anything to do with! That’ll be fun!! And then we can talk contractor lawsuits. And any discussion of Trump without delving into the bankruptcies is woefully lacking. So maybe we could go there. See, I lived in New York. Born in Queens. Lived on the lower east side later on. And from what you’ve related so far I can tell you’ve not got much of an idea of the worlds I’ve frequented. I can bridge some of those knowledge gaps you have on Trump. I love to be helpful.

                1. What is your point regarding Trump University? It was a dead suit (no merit) until he ran for the Presidency when it became alive as a nuisance suit. I don’t think it guaranteed any more than many universities that overcharge our children while providing a bad education. Moreover, as an investor and promoter he lends his name and frequently isn’t involved in how the business is run.

                  I dealt with the Trump Foundation awhile ago on the blog. Tell us exactly what he did. Remember, before it became foundation money it was his. No salary was taken and a lot of charities benefited. There is a problem IMO with these foundations but that is not Trump’s fault that is the fault created by those we elect to government.krupticies? I can see you

                  Bankrupticies? I can see you have very little knowledge about them. He never went personally bankrupt.

                  “See, I lived in New York. Born in Queens. Lived on the lower east side later on.”

                  I don’t need your help. I know NYC quite well and am familiar with its politics and with Trump before he ran for the Presidency. I even maintain a home in Manhattan so I am quite knowledgeable about a lot of details in the city.

                  Provide data and then talk. What you are doing now is providing talking points that have little merit.

              2. You realize there are more parts to the story. Firstly if what you say is totally true then no one would work for him. What you are providing is urban legend where you have no proof. I am sure there are disputes. That happens all the time but to have a deal both sides sign the contract and try to get the most from the other and most deals have compliance issues written into them. If the person doing the work doesn’t complete it satisfactorily he isn’t paid the last draw. Most of the times the contractor doing the work has the upper hand. Then there are the courts which is where such problems are ultimately settled.

                Did you ever build a house? Did you carefully look at your contract?

                So far you haven’t provided proof of anything and we don’t have any more information than we did when I asked the question.

                1. What do you think happens when somebody declares bankruptcy as Trump has 4 times? People don’t get paid. He ended up with his incompetent legal team because the good firms know he’s a deadbeat.

                  From USA TodAy:

                  “…Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will “protect your job.” But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.

                  At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

                  Trump’s companies have also been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005 for failing to pay overtime or minimum wage, according to U.S. Department of Labor data. That includes 21 citations against the defunct Trump Plaza in Atlantic City and three against the also out-of-business Trump Mortgage LLC in New York. Both cases were resolved by the companies agreeing to pay back wages….”

                  1. “What do you think happens when somebody declares bankruptcy as Trump has 4 times? ”

                    How many hundreds of companies has he been involved with? Companies go bankrupt all the time especially where there is speculation. Think of how many people he has employed and then think of how many people have worked for you. You act as if he had total control over each one of these companies. He didn’t. He leveraged his money and spread his risk which means in many of those companies he didn’t have majority share. I am sure some of the people you worked for though you cheated them and if USA today wanted to do a hit job they could a better one on you.

                    Take note that the article was a hit job because if it wasn’t they would have provided both sides. I’ve fired people that didn’t do their jobs or stole. There are two sides to every story but as a man involved with so many businesses and so many people one is bound to have a number of complaints.

                    1. True, there is always another side to the story, Allan.

                      But Trump is notorious for taking control of everything in the businesses that mean most to him. His licensing is where he makes money because he takes himself out of it as much possible in those ventures. Given a chance to make a bad decision, he makes one. Because Atlantic City casinos. Because his Ukraine shake down. Because his trade policy. The evidence is plain if you but look.

                      A good source to really look into Trump’s “work” is David Fahrenthold (if you have the interest, you seem fairly dedicated to not looking at evidence). Fahrenthold will tell you he’s failed in getting to the true center of Trump’s business dealings. That’s a success for Trump, actually. He’s managed to build a wall, certainly. At least there. But Fahrenthold is a good source of Trump insight.

                    2. “But Trump is notorious for taking control of everything in the businesses that mean most to him.”

                      Elvis, that sentence doesn’t say much of anything and certainly doesn’t demonstrate you understand how his business model works. Your next sentence is much better when you bring up licensing. You can add branding.

                      “Given a chance to make a bad decision”
                      “Atlantic City casinos. “

                      Ask yourself what happened to the casinos owned by other people at the time. Ask yourself what the marketplace was like? Also consider who died in the helicopter crash, 3 of his top casino executives.

                      “Ukraine shake down”

                      There was none. The transcript and Sondland show that there was no quid pro quo and despite all the talk about quid pro quo’s that is exactly what we expect of our leaders when dealing with foreign powers. Joe Biden’s quid pro quo leaves a very big question mark. In that case money went directly to the family.

                      “trade policy”

                      USMCA? An attempt to prevent China’s theft of America’s intellectual property? Agreement with the EU to increase exports. You must be kidding.

                      Maybe you focus too much on stories that only wish to push a political point of view.

                      “A good source to really look into Trump’s “work” is David Fahrenthold”

                      Now a days I don’t give too much credence to most journalists that write for the Washington Post. The newspaper has become a rag that opts for a specific point of view. His book was wrapped around the news articles that were spun to provide the desired point of view. I don’t think the book did very well in sales. If one read the Washington Post, essentially one read his book.

                      If you wanted to argue the case regarding his foundation the first people you should look at are our elected officials. They govern tax laws that apply to private foundations. Trump did nothing illegal and virtually nothing that isn’t done on a daily basis. If you trace the dollars none ended up in his pocket.

                      “Fahrenthold will tell you he’s failed in getting to the true center of Trump’s business dealings.”

                      Because what he was looking for didn’t exist. Not a very good book for insight on Donald Trump. I think it contained nothing of major significance.

                    3. Hard to keep track of these posts, Allan. And I can see you’re adept at doing what Trump is best at — tying people up with abstraction until they just want to go away…

                      Clearly, you don’t have any experience with the man. Equally as clear, any data cited you will argue with and not “believe”. If you can’t see that what he’s gotten caught up in Ukraine (and everywhere else) is just an extension of what he’s done in New York for 40 years I can’t help you. You’re on your own with that…

                      I can tell by what you’re saying that you’ve experienced a different side of New York than I did. More power to you. A real dealing with Trump would probably prove quite enlightening for you…

                      Until then, please keep your gullible over there in your corner. You speak entirely in generality masquerading as fact. Have fun…

                    4. “tying people up with abstraction”

                      Elvis, I can’t help it that you can’t keep up with the facts. That is what happens when you rely on talking points rather than actually knowing the details.

                      “Clearly, you don’t have any experience with the man.”

                      That may or may not be so but it is clear I know more than you do about the man. You make too many assumptions. You think because you live in NYC that no one else can possess your knowledge of the city. You are wrong. Even an outsider might know more than you but in my case I have another home there so I actually have a vested interest in addition to the businesses I had..

                      “If you can’t see that what he’s gotten caught up in Ukraine (and everywhere else) is just an extension of what he’s done in New York for 40 years I can’t help you. “

                      That is not the problem. The real problem is that you can’t make your case. I added just a little detail to your case against Trump and immediately you became befuddled. Why don’t you take one area where you have a lot of knowledge and discuss that so you can demonstrate what you have failed to do so far. That could lead to an interesting discussion.

      2. people i know in new york understand full well he’s a CHAMP

        of course New York is just bigger than Manhattan

        and we probably dont travel in the same circles, “Elvis”

        enjoy the real King now folks, requiescat in pacem:

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