President Donald Trump has used the Defense Production Act to ensure beef, pork, poultry and egg plants keep operating to avoid a food shortage. That did not sit well with MsNBC Chris Hayes who objected to Trump using the DPA after blasting Trump for not using the DPA. For weeks, I have been raising what I view as a widespread misconception of the DPA and its function. This is an example of how the DPA has become part of a media mantra to suggest that the Administration refused to use the Act when it could have addressed shortfalls. This spin redirects the primary responsibility for the failure to prepare for a pandemic from governors, who ignored years of warnings of shortfalls and lack of stored material. There are legitimate questions about mistakes made in this pandemic but the DPA has increasingly been used in a way disconnected from factual and legal foundations.
Hayes objects that the Trump Administration failed to use the DPA to force production of ventilators and other items. However, as I have said previously, there is no reason to use the DPA if the Administration believes that companies are at maximum input. One legitimate objection that the Administration has made about the coverage is the widespread misrepresentations of the ventilator issue. Dr. Deborah Birx and others have noted that no one was actually denied a ventilator and that states had a surplus. We are currently producing an astonishing level of ventilators that far exceeds our expected needs by a sizable degree.
The point is that the DPA moves away obstacles or motivates companies when needed. If companies are cooperating and meeting maximum projections, there is no reason to use the DPA. The Administration has used the DPA in other areas to remove or motivate. Clearly the Administration could have used DPS on everyone and everything to negate these criticisms. However, it would simply create new levels of bureaucratic control and serve little real purpose if the companies are responding to government demands. In this hue and cry over the DPA, there is a lack of specifics in how these companies would increase their effort further or what contractual obstacles need to be removed.
The latest DPA is a classic use of the Act. The country has already faced panic buying on items like toilet paper. Much of this trend is entirely irrational. There was no reason why toilet paper should be the focus of panic buying but the result was a real shortage. The chances of a panic buying on food is far far more serious. There is already a drop of 25% in the food supply from these industries. It could drop further. The result is a serious threat to the nation as a whole in supplying the most basic necessity for life.
What is interesting about this use of the DPA is that it may be most valued due to its impact on liability. By being forced to stay open, the companies can claim that they were not negligent because they were compelled to operate. The question will be whether workers can be fired for refusing to work. They cannot be forced to do so but could face threats over a refusal to work despite the obvious risk to them.
This is a real threat to the nation. At a time of short food supply, we are seeing tens of thousands of animals slaughtered due to the reduction in processing. It is not just confined to these meat plants and the virus outbreak among the work force. We are seeing food destroyed due to interruptions in the supply chain or other market problems. This is occurring when food banks are overwhelmed. (This is an area where the government needs to act to pay farmers to allow for donations to food banks).
I remain highly suspicious of the failure of these companies to better protect workers. These are startling numbers of affected workers and deaths. The obvious response of the Administration should be to follow up with a greater federal presence in the operation and safety of these plants. The Administration needs to bring federal resources and expertise to these plants to protect workers.
However, the use of the DPA to protect the food supply is exactly the type of national emergency that the Act was designed to address. The MSNBC attack reflects a curious pattern in the media where it moves effortlessly in adopting diametrically opposed positions. The only common denominator is the target of the coverage. For months the media decried the Administration for not taking control of the pandemic and state efforts despite some of us noting that this is a primary state responsibility. Then when Trump, wrongly, claimed that he could take control, the media cried foul that this is a violation of state’s rights. Likewise, the media objected that the Trump Administration was not using its authority to grab needed PPEs and other materials. However, when the Administration started to grab such material and distribute them to hot spots, the media criticized the Administration for interfering with states from getting such material. Now the Administration is blamed for using the DPA after being chastised for not using the DPA. The most remarkable thing about this pattern of flips is the absolute ease with which it has occurred.
None of this is meant to clear the Administration. Many questions remain about early warnings and early actions. That includes the possible use (including DPA orders) on mask and PPE production. However, there has also been some remarkable successes. FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers have done phenomenal jobs in ramping up production and building needed beds and resources. The speed of industry and government to address new therapeutics and treatments is also amazing. As I have said before, the need for fair coverage has never been greater. We should not paint with too broad a brush. Much coverage remains excellent and informative. However, there is a clear agenda or bias in some of this coverage on issues like the DPA. This bias can become outright misinformation on legal issues in pandemic from criminal claims to constitutional criticisms. News coverage should have greater consistency than just the target of criticism.
It was nice of Turley to include one sentence about the “obvious risk to the employees.” Trump is ordering some of those workers to their deaths so we don’t run short on hamburgers.
Nobody is being forced to work. Plenty of volunteers.
They won’t qualify for unemployment if they quit. Work or starve. That sounds pretty forced.
Enigma:
Yeah the fatality rate is about influenza’s. Where were you last year when the Great Flu Epidemic hit? No love for the downtrodden chicken cutter then? Okay now if we have food shortages?
It appears the fatality rate is highly underestimated. Deaths are “inexplicably high,” they just haven’t been attributed to COVID-19. Kinda like when only 19 people died from hurricanes in Puerto Rico.
It appears the fatality rate is highly underestimated.
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Just the opposite given the higher Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement rates that incentive calling every flu death a Wuhan Virus death. NY had a record number of influenza cases before Wuhan hit and now — miracles of miracles — influenza deaths have dropped but Wuhan has skyrocketed.
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/health/2020/02/14/new-york-flu-season-setting-record-highs-amid-coronavirus-concerns/4753341002/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.18.20070912v1
Yes mespo, all those deaths are really flu deaths, the ones where people get put on ventilators and don’t come off. Hannity would be proud of you.
The Defense Production Act is unconstitutional and entirely without legal basis. Food production facilities are absolute private property which the Constitution provides no authority to Congress to claim or exercise dominion over. Congress may “take” private property after “just compensation.” Congress may effectively nationalize private property, as it may suspend Habeas Corpus and arrest and incarcerate any citizen, after establishing the existence of an “invasion” through a formal declaration of war.
A nation of laws must obey the laws of the nation.
Of course you don’t mean the impeached President too do you? When Trump said he would protect and defend the constitution was it just sarcasm?
President Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States.
Dishonest, deceitful and fraudulent impeachment by the communists FAILED upon Senate acquittal.*
You communists inanely distracted a President while your ally and headquarters released the germ warfare, preemptive “first strike” of WWIII.
That you can prevaricate, nay, lie is not in question.
Your abortion is heinous and repulsive, and your parasitic and dependent generational welfare, affirmative action privilege, Obamacare and welfare state are irrefutably unconstitutional communism.
You are a liar, a fraud and an enemy of the United States and its Constitution.
Not to put too fine a point on it.
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Acquittal
Definition.
At the end of a criminal trial, a finding by a judge or jury that a defendant is not guilty. An acquittal signifies that a prosecutor failed to prove his or her case beyond a reasonable doubt, not that a defendant is innocent.
You just destroyed your own point by saying, “if the law exists, (and it does) it must be obeyed.”
Seems to me, the Supreme Court would have ruled on the DPA by now if it was unconstitutional.
Did the SCOTUS rule on this:
Affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, rent control, social services, forced busing, minimum wage, utility subsidies, WIC, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.?
Of course it’s all unconstitutional. It’s as clear as the Red Star on your cap, comrade. General means ALL. Article 1, Section 8 provides Congress to the power to tax only for “…general Welfare…,” omitting and, thereby, excluding any power to tax for individual welfare, specific welfare, charity or redistribution of wealth. Further, the right to private property is not qualified by the Constitution and is, therefore, absolute denying Congress any power to possess or dispose of private property through actions such as rent control, minimum wage, affirmative action, fair housing, non-discrimination, etc.
Anyone would be compelled to agree that the Supreme Court has not struck down the welfare state meaning, simply and accurately, the SCOTUS, collectively, is corrupt, anti-constitutional and communistic as are its benefactors, liberals, progressives, socialists and democrats. Ben Franklin made it clear when he said we gave you “…a republic, if you can keep it.” Now it’s a matter of whether Americans can take their republic back.
“A nation of laws must obey the laws of the nation.”
– George
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“if the law exists, (and it does) it must be obeyed.”
– W. Flyer
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America has not obeyed the laws since the “Reign of Terror” by “Crazy Abe” Lincoln who had no power to deny legal secession, start an undeclared war, confiscate private property, suspend Habeas Corpus, corrupt the 1864 election, etc. “Crazy Abe” should have been ordered to prison by the Supreme Court. Every illegal and still illegitimate act of “Crazy Abe” and his corrupt successors must have been declared corrupt, illegal and unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court is the singular American failure.
Read the law of this nation, the ante-Lincoln Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Twisted pretzel logic….The government can’t tell and force me not to be in yuge crowds protesting what the stockholders and corporations want. But now the Trump government and stockholders want me to be forced to work in deadly viruses. Trump using dpa for his and his donors wishes and not for testing and clearing work environments is way over the top, even for the impeached President. If Trump wants to force people to work in unhealthy conditions, then stockholders and management goes in the plants first and work a couple of shifts, then we will see if the plants are safe.
While I agree with the premise of the article, Turley shows a lack of ignorance of the meat industry. For one thing, farmers don’t sell or donate meat to anybody. Farmers sell their livestock to buyers for meat companies then the meat companies slaughter the animals and process the meat. Furthermore, while closing meat processing plants creates problems, an even bigger problem is that Democratic governors and mayors have interfered with the process. My nephew owns an auction house in a small town in a “red” state. The town has a mayor who is a left-wing Democrat. The mayor took it upon himself to shut down the auctions even though they are considered essential. As for the meat processing plants, much has been made of workers coming down with the virus by the media in an attempt to throw dishwasher on Republican governors for not imposing the draconic measures Democrats want in order to boost their chances in the upcoming elections. President Trump wouldn’t have been forced to use the Act if the media and Democrats would keep their mouths shut. The media is far behind, by the way. They’re still slamming Trump for suggesting that UV light can inserted into the body EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE ALREADY EXPERIMENTS BEING CONDUCTED TO DO JUST THAT! Face it, journalists aren’t professionals, they’re hacks.
Semc,
Atty Robert Barnes is working on putting lawyers together to file suits against all these petty tyrants like the mayor your nephew is.
One legal strategy for your nephew & Trump maybe using the commerce clause for seeking relief.
I’m not a big fan of the CC but it is precedent.
https://www.freeamericalawcenter.com/
Yeah, MSNBC is normal.
mespo – Shirley, you jest.
Yes, the media do lie and will not hesitate to do a 180 without embarrasment to continue to keep a target in sight.
Perhaps Trump’s undiluted contempt for these disgusting people makes sense now.
They seem to like Chinese leaders more than Trump but in China most would have had a rifle bullet to the head and their organs harvested long ago.
Young – did you see Trump dump on Yahoo at the press conference? It was funny. 😉
I missed it but just read about it. The Yahoo reporter subsequently apologized and Trump responded graciously.
Paul– Just watched it.
Worse than I expected.
I was struck by the reporter’s arrogance in ignorance and his eagerness to display it.
Young – Trump dunked on him hard. 🙂
Yes he did! Deservedly.
The ‘schools’ of journalism have much to answer for turning out graduates like this.
One thing that occurred to me, and probably to you, was that any lawyer would have sensed danger after Trump ‘s first response and proceeded more carefully.
Young – he did fall into a bear trap!!!
PCS, have you seen the brain dead “Stepford-Wives” (Abrams, Clinton, etc.) democrats deny, in front of God and everybody, the proven sexual assault against Tara Reade by Joe Biden?
George – boy, the Dems are backing and hoeing on Tara Reade. There is 500 times more stuff than they had on Kavanaugh.
Out of curiosity Paul, how would you stack up the allegation against Biden against the twenty-some allegations against Trump?
enigma – I would say this one has some teeth. If nothing else, it is going to destroy the #MeToo movement.
So none of the twenty-some claims against Trump have teeth? You entirely avoided my question.
enigma – well, that one woman isn’t even sure he did anything. 😉
She was certain he kissed her forcibly on more than one occasion and touched her breast, seems like something to me.
So none of the twenty-some claims against Trump have teeth?
You apparently think so Enigma. How many of them have teeth? What is the evidence?
There is a good likelihood there is evidence of the Summer Zervos accusation and a host of other things in the tapes from The Apprentice which Trump’s friend Mark Burnett refuses to release. Another case (there are so many) is requiring Burnett to release certain tapes which may or may not relate to Zervos, if there was video evidence, some of you would ignore it like you did the Access Hollywood video.
There is a good likelihood…
Thank you for not burying the lede. 😴
Find an allegation against Trump which (1) has been made by someone who had regular contact with him and (2) alleges something that would be considered tortious if the perpetrator didn’t have deep pockets and (3) hasn’t been thrown out of court already.
Guess what? In the middle of election campaigns, ambulance chasers in the media and the legal profession go out and find these people. (And, presumably, pass some cash to them). See the scam campaign the Washington Post ran against Roy Moore a few years back.
Roy Moore is indefensible but one presumes he is your kin. Now it all makes sense
People inventing stories about you does not make you indefensible.
“Regular contact?” that might include Summer Zervos who was a contestant on The Apprentice, her case hasn’t been thrown out of court and the President is going to great lengths to avoid the depositions he’s been ordered to give.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/summer-zervos-trump-lawsuit/index.html
He did not have regular contact with her. He had episodic contact with her during the period running from 2005 to 2007. Her libel suit concerns something that supposedly happened in 2007, where she says he touched her breast and pressed up against her in a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. She’s suing for defamation, claiming he injured her reputation when he said he never met her at any hotel or greeted her that way.
So he only had contact with her over a period of two years? That’s definitely not regular. I didn’t argue Paul’s stipulations that I find a case that involved regular contact and hadn’t been thrown out of court because I had a handy example. That didn’t mean it doesn’t count if he meets someone and rapes them in a department store (also a case not thrown out of court). It’s hypocritical for those of you who ignore 25 accusations against Trump to focus on Biden. https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12
How about the allegations against Martin King? Apparently he defrauded his university, his public, his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues and his congregation. That ain’t so bad. And how about Obama?
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Branch also detailed how FBI agents bugged King’s hotel room in Washington in January 1964 and recorded him in adulterous full flow. ‘I’m f*****g for God! I’m not a negro tonight!’ he could be heard shouting.
Leading one of the most astonishing double lives in history, King was not just the Bible-thumping champion of the rights of man, but also an inveterate womaniser who cheated on his wife throughout their marriage. King’s secret sex life became such a talking point at the White House that recently released interviews with Jackie Kennedy revealed even she knew about it. Jackie confided how her brother-in-law Bobby Kennedy had told her the FBI had recorded King trying to arrange a sex party on the night before the March on Washington in August 1963. ‘I can’t see a picture of Martin Luther King without thinking, you know, that man’s terrible,’ sniffed the former First Lady. Bobby had told her that King ‘was calling up all these girls and arranging for a party of men and women, I mean, sort of an orgy’.
But in 1989, Rev Ralph Abernathy — who succeeded King as the movement’s leader — incurred the eternal wrath of his allies and accusations of a Judas-like betrayal after he confirmed that long-standing rumours about his old friend’s rampant sexual appetites were true. In his autobiography, Abernathy said King — whose 1953 marriage to Coretta Scott produced four children — had a ‘weakness for women’. King, a pastor from the age of 25, ‘understood and believed in the Biblical prohibition against sex outside marriage,’ said his friend. ‘It was just that he had a particularly difficult time with that temptation.’
And that was putting it mildly. Abernathy related an extraordinary story that indicated King spent the last night of his life enjoying the attentions of not one but two lovers, followed by an encounter with a third woman whom he knocked sprawling across his motel room bed.
– Daily Mail
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“A committee of scholars appointed by Boston University concluded today that the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. plagiarized passages in his dissertation for a doctoral degree at the university 36 years ago.
“There is no question,” the committee said in a report to the university’s provost, “but that Dr. King plagiarized in the dissertation by appropriating material from sources not explicitly credited in notes, or mistakenly credited, or credited generally and at some distance in the text from a close paraphrase or verbatim quotation.”
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The committee recommended that a letter stating its finding be placed with the official copy of Dr. King’s dissertation in the university’s library.
The four-member committee was appointed by the university a year ago to determine whether plagiarism charges against Dr. King that had recently surfaced were in fact true. Today the university’s provost, Jon Westling, accepted the committee’s recommendations and said its members had “conducted the investigation with scholarly thoroughness, scrupulous attention to detail and a determination not to be influenced by non-scholarly consideration.”
The dissertation at issue is “A Comparison of the Conceptions of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman.” Dr. King wrote it in 1955 as part of his requirements for a doctor of philosophy degree, which he subsequently received from the university’s Division of Religious and Theological Studies.”
– New York Times, October 11, 1991
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6SokexKqQ
Larry Sinclair stated that Obama smoked crack cocaine, had homosexual relations with him and implied that Obama had homosexual relations with a “Donald Young” who was murdered on Dec. 23, 2007, and was the openly gay choir director for Reverend Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ. Is this true? Did CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PMSNBC, HLN or other outlets of the MSM report this? Why has America not heard this news? Why was the photo of Obama enjoying a visit with Louis Farrakhan not displayed in the MSM?
And how about Kamala Harris before she rented a nice white family for her presidential run. You go, girl. Oh, Willie says she did. Willie Brown, such a nice man. Oh, it was just dating for promotions – oh, wait did Willie also date and promote Pelosi, Newsom and Feinstein?
To wit,
“In a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle published Saturday, Willie Brown implied he helped Harris further her career.
“Yes, we dated.”
“It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker,” Brown wrote. “And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians.”
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JFK didn’t calling “dating.”
JFK, Monster
By Timothy Noah
“I knew that John F. Kennedy was a compulsive, even pathological adulterer, given to taking outlandish risks after he entered the White House. I knew he treated women like whores. And I knew he had more than a few issues with his father about toughness and manliness and all that. But before I read in the newspaper that Mimi Alford’s just-released memoir, Once Upon A Secret: My Affair With President John F. Kennedy And Its Aftermath, described giving Dave Powers a blow job at JFK’s request and in his presence, I didn’t know that Kennedy had an appetite for subjecting those close to him to extreme humiliation.”
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And Bill “The Rapist” Clinton enabled by Hillary Clinton:
1. Eileen Wellstone (1969) Allegation: Sexual assault
2. Anonymous female student at Yale University (1972) Allegation: Sexual assault
3. Anonymous female student at the University of Arkansas (1974) Allegation: Sexual assault
4. Anonymous female lawyer (1977) Allegation: Sexual assault
5. Juanita Broaddrick (1978) Allegation: Rape
6. Carolyn Moffet (1979) Allegation: Sexual assault
7. Elizabeth Ward (1983) Allegation: Unclear
8. Sally Perdue (1983) Allegation: Unclear
9. Paula Jones (1991) Allegation: Sexual harassment
10. Sandra Allen James (1991) Allegation: Sexual assault
11. Christy Zercher (1992) Allegation: Sexual assault
12. Kathleen Willey (1993) Allegation: Sexual assault
I read that the Chinese own the Smithfield plants at least in part. If true, they should be held responsible for the lack of safety at the plants.
China got a whole lotta splainin’ to do, oh, and payin’.
China got a whole lotta payin’ to do.
The most prodigious tort in human history.
If it’s headlined MSNBC it has to be false.
It’s sad to have to remind the professor that forcing meat packing plants to continue opening when employees are sick and plants may be contaminated is distinguishable from requiring GM or others to produce ventilators and it’s a distinction with a difference but hey I guess when Trump does it none of that matters!
Clearly the Administration could have used DPS on everyone and everything to negate these criticisms.
Au contraire mon frère my dear law Professor. Trump would have than been criticized for overusing the DPS.
Chris Hayes is a vegan and demands we be as well.
‘”However, there is a clear agenda or bias”
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Seriously? You just noticed this?
I think one of the president’s best bets for re-election is to combat the media and the Democrats with their own words. Let’s go to the video tape!
Now that “covid” has been shown to be a Democratic hoax, Trump should use DPA to re-open the entire economy. Every minute of the lock down is Democratic governors hurting the economy just to get back at Trump for beating Hillary.
JH, Interesting. But states that are being ruined by these Dum governors will unlikely receive any bailout from Washington.
I am appalled at just how dum some of these Dumocratic governors are. But weren’t they backed by liberal pac’s to get these Dum Dum’s into office so they can inflict even more harm?
Jesus wept!
The media is responding to their customers.
Pinkos want Trump bashing, so that is what the media gives them.
The Left has the media that they deserve.
Unfortunately, rational people (those not infected with TDS) have to listen to that garbage.
“The Worst Company in America” by The Consumerist in 2010 and 2014.
Chris Hayes is a nobody. MSNBC is a looser.
Comcast employs multiple former U.S. Congressmen as lobbyists.
Comcast vice president David Cohen raising over $2.2 million from 2007 to 2012.[62][63] Cohen has been described by many sources as influential in the U.S. government.
Comcast’s PAC, the Comcast Corporation and NBCUniversal Political Action Committee, is among the largest PACs in the U.S., raising about $3.7 million from 2011 to 2012 for the campaigns of various candidates for office in the United States Federal Government.
Chris what’s his name wears a gorilla suit.
Jonathan your wisdom on this is greatly appreciated. I wish L.Tribe would read your post and be inspired to say truthful things. Keep posting the truth I love to read your opinion and facts on these msm nitwits
Larry Tribe is a despicable human being. I think he ranks right up there with that WWII person whose name initials are AH!
As a matter of fact, he is so despicable that he would bring shame on to AH! Consider that Tribes ilk want to destroy America’s way of life.
What kind of person wants to do that? Well, LT and AH for two.
Laurence Tribe admitted to committing plagiarism in his book “God Save This Honorable Court”.
Stealing from another author is theft.
Tribe has no honor.
The purpose of MSDNC is to get Biden elected. Lying is fine.
“President Donald Trump has used the Defense Production Act to ensure beef, pork, poultry and egg plants keep operating to avoid a food shortage. That did not sit well with MsNBC Chris Hayes who objected to Trump using the DPA after blasting Trump for not using the DPA.”
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What have I been saying here for years:
Trying to explain “principles”, or “right vs. wrong”, or “rules”, or “logical consistency” to a Democrat, is like trying to explain to a bad, cheating, folding metal chair-using, pants-pulling-down, wrestler why he didn’t win the WWF Belt fairly. He is not able to comprehend what you are going on about. All he knows is, that he won the match and the Championship Belt, and so what if his girl friend jumped into the ring while the referee wasn’t looking, and whacked the Good Wrestler over the head with a metal chair! At this point, what difference does that make??? After all, he won! He has the Championship Belt! Isn’t that all that matters???
But if the Good Wrestler does the same thing in response to the Bad Wrestler, then the Bad Wrestler is full of righteous indignation and he will mouth all the right words – for example “ I was cheated blah blah blah!” But there really is no issue of morality in play with the Democrats or the Bad Wrestler. Like some sort of primitive in the wilds, whatever helps him get what he wants is good, and whatever keeps him from getting what he wants is bad. It is as simple as that. Democrats, and Bad Wrestlers, are complete sociopaths.
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Democrats do not use “words” to convey facts. They use “words” to convey a narrative whose Happy Ending is Democrats getting elected.
Just. Tune. Them. Out.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
MSNBC/Chris Hayes & other MSNBC so called news types HATE TRUMP – what ever he is for they are against, its that simple, it he says its Sunny they will say its raining? MSNBC and other MSM’s are simply fooools – that is why they have so low ratings
News flash! George McGovern and Nat Hentoff are dead. Alan Dershowitz is 81 years old.
Liberals born after 1938 don’t argue in good faith.
Interesting McGovern footnote: After he left the Senate, he and his daughter opened a BNB/Conference center. He said if he had known how hard regulatory requirements made it to run a business, he never would have voted for them.
He actually made good coin buying and selling real estate around Washington after he was voted out of office. Not bad for a lapsed academic who had been in public office for 24 years. About the hotel and conference center, he noted that two years after he and his partners shut down their business, they were still trying to settle slip-and-fall lawsuits brought by people who had tumbled over on his company’s property.
Leftists born after 1938 don’t argue at all: They whine and shout, and try to silence and shame any nonconformity to their worldview. At no time do they consider such “antiquated” terms as intellectual honesty, principles (as noted by Squeeky), or good faith as anything other than meaningless relics left over from a patriarchal hegemony: a hegemony that must be overturned, overthrown, overwhelmed, and overpowered by any and all means–necessary or otherwise–at their disposal.
If Liberty can outlast their onslaught, our distant-future progeny will look at this present age and ask, “WTF?”
Your infantile and self serving need to avoid an actual argument based on facts is duly noted.
TIA, speaking of good faith, want to explain how you keep following this guy?
“As our president sat across from Volodymyr Zelensky in New York last autumn, he explained to the newly elected leader that he knew all about his country because, after all, he used to own the Miss Universe pageant, and one year the winner was from Ukraine.
“We got to know the country very well in a lot of different ways,” Donald Trump said.
It was, unsurprisingly, completely false. A Miss Ukraine had never won the Miss Universe title in the pageant’s 66-year history, including the 20 that Trump had owned it.
Equally unsurprisingly, the lie went largely unnoticed and uncared about. In the flood of falsehoods that gush from Trump’s mouth and Twitter feed most every day, something like this lacked anywhere near the heft to make a splash.
Indeed, on that day during his United Nations General Assembly visit, Trump also claimed: “We have created the greatest economy in the history of our country.” Of the USMCA trade agreement: “It’s a great trade deal — the greatest we’ve ever had. NAFTA was a horrible trade deal. It replaces NAFTA.” Of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “A lot of her members now are having second thoughts. They’re saying they’re in a very bad position.” Of his long-promised wall along the Mexican border: “And the wall is going up, many miles a week.” Of the WTO: “World Trade Organization was not one of the greats. Not one of the greats. That was the creation of China, which went like a rocket ship from the day they signed.” And of new automotive plants: “Many of the great Japanese companies, at my request, are now building their plants in the United States. … Big ones going up in South Carolina, Florida.”
Not a single one of Trump’s assertions was true.
Today’s economy is not the greatest economy in the country’s history, and has, in fact, over the past year been slowing down. Trump’s United States Mexico Canada Agreement is essentially the North American Free Trade Agreement with some minor tweaks. Pelosi was not losing support among her Democratic members. Not a single mile of new fence had been built someplace where there hadn’t already been a barrier. China did not create the WTO, and Toyota and Nissan are not suddenly building new plants here. Not in Florida. Not anywhere…..”
The Ministry Of Untruth
What Donald Trump’s unending stream of lies has done to our White House, our country and us.
By S.V. Date
TIA, speaking of good faith, want to explain how you keep following this guy?
I’m absolutely uninterested in trolling through partisan sources to fact check their statements about the president’s statements concerning matters of no interest to me. I’ve never done that in regard to any of his predecessors and I will not do that now.
What’s amusing about this is that you pretend to care what he said in banal conversations and random public statements, rather than finding stewed versions of his public remarks a mine for you to justify your own dispositions on this matter.
I care what happens on the ground in this world. About media static, I don’t care. I’m not going to ask you what you care about because (1) you’re never straight with anyone and (2) we’ve all got your number.
Equally unsurprisingly, the lie went largely unnoticed or uncared about.
Yawn. Don’t mistake not caring with not noticing. More importantly, you and your ilk destroyed any chance of being taken seriously about anything. You’ve made everything this President has ever said or done a DefCon 1 emergency. Even worse, you’ve habitually defended documented abuses of power and corruption from the Democrats and their deep state cohorts. You don’t actually care about truth or lies. You care about preserving your tribes power. That is what I care about and that is what gets noticed by conservatives in this country. Your tribe is the domestic enemy I swore an oath to defend this country against. And there are millions more just like me, on watch for life.