“We Were In A Headless-Chicken Phase”: New York Times Reporter Rebuked By Paper For Anti-Trump Tirade on CNN

“We were in a headless-chicken phase, and yes, it’s the president’s fault, it is not China’s fault. You know, the head of the Chinese CDC was on the phone to Robert Redfield on Jan. 1, again on Jan. 8, and the two agencies were talking on Jan. 19. The Chinese had a test on Jan. 13; the Germans had a test on Jan. 16. We fiddled around for two months, we had a test on March 5 and it didn’t work. We didn’t have 10,000 people tested until March 15.”

He went on to lambast the “incompetent leadership” at the CDC and called for its director Dr. Robert Redfield to “resign.”  He also attacked President Trump as “the same guy who said inject yourself with disinfectant” and that his “grasp of the science” isn’t even “at a third-grade level.”

In a more serious charge, he claimed “suppression from the top- I mean, the real coverup was the person in this country who was saying, you know, ‘This is not an important virus, the flu is worse, it’s all going to go away, it’s nothing,. And that encouraged everybody around him to say, ‘It’s nothing, it’s nothing, it’s nothing.'”

The Times issued a statement that

“In an interview with Christiane Amanpour today, Donald McNeil, Jr. went too far in expressing his personal views. His editors have discussed the issue with him to reiterate that his job is to report the facts and not to offer his own opinions. We are confident that his reporting on science and medicine for The Times has been scrupulously fair and accurate.”

What is interesting is that Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple criticized McNeil’s comments as outside of the parameters for such interviews, saying “Such activism, after all, is extreme even for a veteran newsman exercising his analytical muscles in a freewheeling cable-news interview,”

However, Wemple then later added his own freewheeling dig at the Administration, attacking Trump’s “unfathomable pronouncements of incompetence, indifference and cluelessness from the president in public appearance after public appearance. What’s an experienced health reporter to say?”  The later addendum certainly assuaged those who were upset with the Post for chastising a Trump critic. If this was a matter of journalistic ethics, why was it necessary to add an effective “well Trump had it coming” statement?  If McNeil strayed outside of the ethical parameters, it does not matter how you view Trump.  The issue is the judgment of the journalist, not the reputation of the President.  Wemple’s “justified cause” addendum bulldozed the high ground by taking his own dig at the President. It is like saying that a police officer used excessive force but the suspect was a bad one so “what’s an experienced police officer to do?”

The controversy is reflects a frustration that I have expressed over legal analysis. I have been a columnist and legal analyst for decades.  Generally, while there were unfortunate outliers, legal analysts tended to be closely tied to legal authority and less partisan. That tradition has been lost in the age of echo-journalism where the ability to appear on many media outlets depends on your willingness to declare Trump or his associates guilty of an ever expanding array of crimes.  Legal analysts often feed an insatiable appetite for attacks disguised as analysis under the same relativistic view of “what is an experienced legal analyst to do?”

143 thoughts on ““We Were In A Headless-Chicken Phase”: New York Times Reporter Rebuked By Paper For Anti-Trump Tirade on CNN”

  1. Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Domestic Cats
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2013400

    With reports of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from humans to domestic cats1 and to tigers and lions at the Bronx Zoo,4 coupled with our data showing the ease of transmission between domestic cats, there is a public health need to recognize and further investigate the potential chain of human–cat–human transmission. This is of particular importance given the potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission between family members in households with cats while living under “shelter-in-place” orders. In 2016, an H7N2 influenza outbreak in New York City cat shelters5 highlighted the public health implications of cat-to-human transmission to workers in animal shelters. Moreover, cats may be a silent intermediate host of SARS-CoV-2, because infected cats may not show any appreciable symptoms that might be recognized by their owners.

  2. What number would a Las Vegas odds maker place on the chance of COVID-19 causing a pandemic in a presidential election year?
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    The escape of coronavirus from a lab with multiple redundant safety systems and its coincidence with an unusual and extraordinary U.S. presidential election, in which democrats were facing an historic landslide victory by President Trump, are impossible. Were the coronavirus to have spontaneously arisen out of a “wet market,” the odds of it occurring in an election year would be exponentially worse.

    – COVID-19 was NEVER going get out of a fail-safe lab.

    – A coincidence of this significance and import is virtually impossible.

    The democrats allied and conspired with China to deliberately release COVID-19 to adversely impact President Trump and to assist and favor the democrat candidate in the 2020 presidential election. China gains much more politically and economically than it loses in “acceptable losses” of people – they have 1.4 billion.

  3. “The comments were so political that the paper itself issued a rebuke and told McNeil to stick with science in the future.”
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    “He can run but he can’t hide.”

    – Joe Luis
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    Here’s the science: Herd immunity sans vaccination.

    Herd immunity requires a vaccination but America will be dead before one is made.

    Americans can now appreciate the position which people in the Twin Towers on 9/11 found themselves in, faced with a choice between being consumed by fire or jumping from the 80th floor.
    ___________________________________________

    Herd immunity is an epidemiological concept that describes the state where a population – usually of people – is sufficiently immune to a disease that the infection will not spread within that group. In other words, enough people can’t get the disease – either through vaccination or natural immunity – that the people who are vulnerable are protected.

    For example, let’s think about mumps. Mumps is a very infectious disease that, while relatively benign, is very uncomfortable and sometimes causes nasty life-long complications. It’s also vaccine-preventable, with a highly effective vaccine that has made the disease incredibly rare in the modern age.

    Mumps has a basic reproductive rate (R0) of 10-12, which means that in a population which is entirely susceptible – meaning no one is immune to the virus – every person who is infected will pass the disease on to 10-12 people.

    This means that without vaccination roughly 95 percent of the population gets infected over time. But even with something that is this infectious, there are still some people – 5 percent of the population – who don’t get sick, because once everyone else is immune there’s no one to catch the disease from.

    We can increase that number by vaccinating, because vaccination makes people immune to infection, but it also stops infected people passing on the disease to everyone that they otherwise would. If we can get enough people immune to the disease, then it will stop spreading in the population.

    And that’s herd immunity, in a nutshell.

    For mumps, you need 92 percent of the population to be immune for the disease to stop spreading entirely. This is what’s known as the herd immunity threshold. COVID-19 is, fortunately, much less infectious than mumps, with an estimated R0 of roughly 3.

    With this number, the proportion of people who need to be infected is lower but still high, sitting at around 70 percent of the entire population.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic

  4. The one thing that I agree with, on his comments, the CDC MGMT/Staff blew this and there should be a mass shake up at the CDC. They knew about it early and did not act. Their early testing was off and they were not prepared. They trusted the Chinese.

    What has the CDC been doing all this time, years, they knew a Pandemic would strike at some point

    Dr. Fauci, in various interviews in late Jan and Feb, said he trusted the Chinese and etc. he to blew it, Just go back and listen to his interviews, its a matter of record.

    Trump is trying hard to defeat the Virus and is thinking out of the box and he has fools like the CDC advising him. Trump should get credit on what he is doing but, the press and DEM’s will never credit him and in fact the DEM’s and Press are hoping for failure with this virus.

    NYTIMES and WASHINGTON POST are 24/7 anti Trump and want failure.

    I hope Trump wins reelection.

    1. “Dr. Fauci, in various interviews in late Jan and Feb, said he trusted the Chinese and etc. he to blew it, Just go back and listen to his interviews, its a matter of record.”

      You’re the one who made the claim, and you’re the one who has the burden of proof for it.

      For example, if you substitute “Trump” for “Fauci,” you could say “in late Jan and Feb, [Trump] said he trusted the Chinese and etc.,” and you could present quotes like these to substantiate it:

      On January 24, Trump tweeted:
      “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

      On February 7, in his remarks at the North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit, Trump said:
      “I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we’re working on the — the problem, the virus. It’s a — it’s a very tough situation. But I think he’s going to handle it. I think he’s handled it really well. We’re helping wherever we can.”
      The same day, he tweeted:
      “Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!”
      And that night, before he departed on Marine One, he said:
      “Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They’re working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They’re in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We’re working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It’s a tough situation. I think they’re doing a very good job.”

      On February 10, in a Fox Business interview, Trump said:
      “I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control. I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that’s a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard.”

      You claim that “Trump is trying hard to defeat the Virus.” I don’t see it. What I see is him lauding himself while doing an astoundingly inept job.

    2. Seriously???

      A pandemic in an election year???

      You just conceded as facts the impossible escape of coronavirus from a lab with multiple redundant safety systems and its coincidence with an unusual and extraordinary U.S. presidential election, in which democrats were facing an historic landslide victory by President Trump. Were the coronavirus to have spontaneously arisen out of a “wet market,” the odds of that occurring in an election year are exponentially worse.

      – COVID-19 was NEVER going get out of a fail-safe lab.

      – A coincidence of this magnitude and import is virtually impossible.

      The democrats allied and conspired with China to deliberately release COVID-19 to adversely impact President Trump and to assist and favor the democrat candidate in the 2020 presidential election.

  5. CPUSA useless idiot comrades gonna chock on that Chinese chicken. Maybe their rickshaw cart duty will be light as a reward under the new management.

  6. It’s not China’s fault? You see. This is an example of the remarkably stupid things that academics say when they venture outside their very limited sphere of expertise. A journalist opposing the first amendment is also ironic, but par for the course. Most journalists are nothing more than Democrat propaganda content creators. At some point, shouldn’t their submissions be considered donations to the Democrat party?

    Trump was not at the bench in the CDC labs developing the first field assays. So many Democrats say they want the government to handle everything related to health. There have been calls to nationalize health supply chains necessary for pandemics. Well, how’d the alphabet soup do? The CDC totally flubbed its initial tests. Distilled water controls tested positive for Covid-19. Perhaps the CDC should have spent less time and money on social justice and more on disease control. Because it sucked at its core responsibility.

    It was private industry labs the came through with field assays. It’s the FDA that is making it take so long to get the backlog of tests and facilities approved. It was private industry that retooled its factories to make more masks and supplies. BP had a stockpile of expired masks. Why allow an asset to expire? Why not rotate them out among places that would use them, or sell them at a discount to the public before expiry to recover some of the losses? Why? Because to the alphabet soup, taxpayer money grows on trees. Decision makers are very free to spend money that is not their own.

    Trump threw it open to private industry to make up the slack on masks. Now over a million tests have been used. We are a relatively large country. We have states larger than some other countries. We need a lot of masks. Back when China was lying about the epidemic, hiding that it had spread for 2 months, Trump gave them millions of masks in an effort to keep it from getting there, and to help out. Many other countries did the same, and donated their own supplies. China bought up as much of the remaining world supply of masks as they could.

    Result: a mask shortage.

    Our masks have been diverted to medical staff, who still don’t have enough because they keep burning through them. China made half of the world’s supply of masks, and bought up other suppliers. We can’t create them out of thin air. They have to be manufactured. We need enough to satisfy medical needs, as well as the general public.

    1. Academics and scientists tend to have a very narrow field of expertise. The problem is that when they foray beyond their realm of study, some expect to be given the same weight to their opinion, as would occur if they debated a topic within their expertise.

      Outside their field, they may know no more than anyone else. When it comes to the soft sciences, sometimes politics has created such intense bias that academics are not even aware that they have left data analysis completely behind.

  7. These radical, activist, extremist ideologues attack everyone and every thing that does not adhere and swear to the Marxist oath of allegiance. The ends – baby killing, control of the means of production (i.e. regulation), redistribution of wealth and social engineering – justify the means.

    Communists, liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, Donald McNeil Jr. and Christiane Amanpour, have no concern for freedom, free enterprise or any other facet of the American thesis. They live by the communist motto: “The ends justify the means.”
    They have no desire for anyone to be free or for effective self-governance, they simply desire power, knowing themselves to be intellectually superior. Lowly Comrade, yours is not to wonder why, yours is just to do or die. They desire power for power’s sake. People must follow their orders.

    To avoid, precisely, this type of twisted, perverted and unnatural personality, the American Founders provided maximal freedom to individuals while they severely limited and restricted government to its role of merely facilitating the maximal freedom of individuals by providing security and infrastructure (i.e. general Welfare).

    Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto 59 years after the adoption of the Constitution because none of the principles of the Communist Manifesto were in the Constitution. Had the principles of the Communist Manifesto been in the Constitution, Karl Marx would have had no reason to write the Communist Manifesto. The principles of the Communist Manifesto were not in the Constitution then and the principles of the Communist Manifesto are not in the Constitution now.

  8. In Republican Nebraska, Governor Colludes With Meat-Packing Industry To Hide Infection Numbers

    For weeks, people in rural communities in Nebraska charted the rise of coronavirus cases at the state’s several meatpacking plants. First, there were handfuls, and then, many more.

    As of the first week of May, public health officials reported 96 at the Tyson plant in Madison; 237 at the JBS plant in Grand Island; and 123 arising from the Smithfield plant in Crete. There were other cases around the state, too, and the counts were climbing. At least three were reportedly dead.

    Then the numbers stopped.

    In a change initiated last week, Gov. Pete Ricketts (R) announced at a news conference that state health officials would no longer share figures about how many workers have been infected at each plant. The big companies weren’t sharing numbers either, creating a silence that leaves workers, their families and the rest of the public blind to the severity of the crisis at each plant.

    Around the United States, meatpacking plants have been associated with some of the worst outbreaks of the pandemic: Of the 30 counties in the United States with the highest per capita prevalence of the coronavirus last week, 10 are home to major meatpacking plants.

    Of those 30 counties, four are in Nebraska.

    Ricketts has said the numbers can be unreliable because some people who have tested positive have given misleading information about where they work. He recommended that local health departments withhold the case counts unless they get permission from the plants.

    The company officials declined to share numbers, citing privacy concerns and the fast-moving nature of the virus. They note that they are implementing worker protections at their plants.

    Edited from: “Infection Rates Were Climbing In Nebraska Meatpacking Plants. Then Health Officials Stopped Reporting The Numbers”

    Today’s Washington Post

  9. “No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength.”

    – Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

  10. “In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless but planning is indispensable.”

    – Dwight D. Eisenhower

    1. He would know. In Operation Torch the ships weren’t battle loaded so that in effect the Spam was unloaded before the bullets.

  11. One of the strategies I have heard for slowing down the spread of covid is to buy time for a vaccine.
    There has been no vaccine available for SARS or MERS, so a vaccine for COVID-19 should be considered in light of that.
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21645515.2020.1735227
    A laundry list of statistics about which country has more infections and fatalities is of no use in discussing how rational it is to slow down the spread of the virus for that reason.

    It would have been nice to see a discussion of that in this interview.

    1. This page refers to “development of a DNA vaccine candidate for SARS”: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses (perhaps not developed further because the disease died out on its own — AFAIK, the last case was in 2003).

      Looks like there’s also been a pretty effective MERS vaccine trial: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-07/wrai-mvi072319.php

      Your article says “no licensed antiviral treatment or vaccine exists for MERS and SARS,” and “licensed” seems to be bearing some of the weight there.

      1. This is something to consider. The likelihood that there will be one at all, and if so over what time frame. Fauci’s statements on the likelihood of a vaccine along with the time frame for it are not credible to me. Sure they’re possible. Are they worth formulating a rational strategy around? I don’t see a lot of discussion about it. People like Amanpour don’t seem very interested in substantive informational segments.

        1. You don’t say why you don’t find the claims credible or where you’ve searched for info.

          Google Scholar (scholar.google.com) is handy: it limits results to scholarly sources and also lets you see who has cited a given article, which is helpful in finding more recent research drawing on something you found that was useful. PubMed (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/) is also useful for medical research.

          Here’s one overview from a month ago (doesn’t directly answer your question of likelihood, but shows that there’s already 1 vaccine candidate at the clinical trial phase):
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7136867/ — and if you click on the NIH link at the top, that will take you to another page focused on research, though not limited to vaccines.

    2. No one’s had a commercial incentive to produce a vaccine for SARS or MERS because these epidemics burned out.

    3. the vaccine argument is bogus.

      SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV have no vaccine in spite of their existence for years.
      Flu vaccine is also less than 100% efficacious. Coronavirus and Flu viruses are both RNA viruses with multiple serotypes. Measles and Mumps are RNA viruses with each having one serotype. Unlike Measles and Mumps, the flu and Coronavirus that cause SARS mutate and reemerge. Connect the dots

      Currently, polyclonal antibodies from recovered SARS-CoV-2-infected patients have been used to treat SARS-CoV-2 infection, but no SARS-CoV-2-specific neutralizing mAbs have been reported. Researchers are working hard to develop such mAbs and/or their functional fragments as putative prophylactic or therapeutic agents to prevent or treat COVID-19. Once such antibodies are produced, the next steps will involve in vitro testing for neutralizing and/or cross-neutralizing activity, in vivo evaluation in available COVID-19 animal models for protective efficacy, preclinical studies, and clinical trials testing the safety and efficacy before they are approved for clinical application. Therefore, it may take one to several years for such SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing mAbs or their fragments to be ready for human use.

      https://www.cell.com/trends/immunology/fulltext/S1471-4906(20)30057-0

  12. The Dim tyrants have shown their teeth — this time by suspending a 77-year-old’s barber’s license in Michigan because he wouldn’t knuckle under to house arrest. No hearing, no due process, Gov. Whitmer just plain took it. To his credit, the barber is saying “drag me out” and his customers are flocking in. Bearing teeth is a dangerous game for a politician; sometimes the people you least expect it just kick them in. Ask Christy Smith, the hand-chosen Pelosi candidate, in Calif.’s 25th District House Race). She lost by 12 points in a district that went Dim in the last elections. Twelve points!

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/13/gretchen-whitmer-targets-77-year-old-barbers-livelihood-strips-operating-license-without-a-hearing/

    1. Mespo, Michigan has the 4th highest infection rate in the country. Should no precautions be taken?

      1. Capt:

        “Mespo, Michigan has the 4th highest infection rate in the country. Should no precautions be taken?”
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        No. I’d do what we always have done. Quarantine those known sufferers. Lock down vulnerable populations in hospitals and nursing homes. Educate the public and get the Herd Immunity Sweden achieved. This systematic denial of Constitutional Rights is the outlier, not letting free people be free with appropriate precautions.

        1. Mespo, on the surface your comment makes sense. But the virus spreads around under the radar.

          My aunt, for example, lives in a rural county of Wisconsin with only 70,000 people. Yet when I talked to my aunt 2 weeks ago, there were 11 infection cases in her county. And the biggest city in that county has just 15,000 people. So if the virus can reach backwoods areas like that, it can surely reach that town in Michigan you featured in your comment.

          Wisconsin, by the way, is next door to Michigan.

            1. “.27% total infection rate is herd immunity” is nonsense.

              Your own link says “herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus.”

              And some argue that a higher % is needed. For example, from Johns Hopkins: “Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 70% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity” (https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html ).

            2. I think herd immunity is a function of how contagious a virus is absent public health measures. The measure of contagion is Ro. They’ve been attempting to calculate Ro but haven’t come up with reliable numbers. The estimates seem to bounce around and Ro of 2.2, which would suggest herd immunity is reached when 55% of a population carry antibodies. There has been data suggesting that perhaps 21% do in New York City, but surveys other places do not reveal a prevalence anywhere near that.

            3. Your pal, Trump — the one with “the good you-know-what” said:

              https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1255825648448348161

              Donald J. Trump
              @realDonaldTrump

              “Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!”

              6:45 AM · Apr 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

            4. “The false promise of ‘herd immunity’ to beat COVID-19”

              “If the United States were to throw open the economy and bet on creating herd immunity without a vaccine, the death toll could run into the hundreds of thousands.”

              By CST Editorial Board May 12, 2020, 5:04pm CDT

              https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/12/21250721/herd-immunity-anthony-fauci-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-senate-committee-hearing-editorial

              Excerpt:

              Don’t follow Sweden

              Fans of herd immunity strategy, without a vaccine, like to cite the example of Sweden, where the government has imposed only a partial lockdown. While the death rate in Sweden from COVID-19 is higher than in other Scandinavian countries, it is lower than in many other European countries. Most travel and mass gatherings have been banned, but businesses, bars and restaurants are allowed to remain open.

              The United States, however, is not Sweden.

              Americans, on average, are far less healthy than Swedes, to begin with, and much more likely to be obese. They run a considerably higher risk of death, rather than recovery, from COVID-19.

              Sweden’s approach also has exacted a painful price. The virus has swept mercilessly through retirement communities, running up a high rate of death among elderly Swedes.

              The United States had better continue to put its faith in science — and look before it leaps.

              Or this plague will come roaring back.

              1. Anonymous – food places in AZ opened to 50% yesterday. Playgrounds open tomorrow. Parks have always been open and golf is essential.

      2. The barber in question is in a small town about half way between Flint and Lansing. The epidemic has been raging in greater Detroit, not in the rest of the state.

  13. Passage From Interview In Question

    We completely blew it for the first two months of our response. We were in a headless-chicken phase, and yes, it’s the president’s fault, it is not China’s fault. The head of the Chinese CDC was on the phone to Robert Redfield on Jan. 1, again on Jan. 8, and the two agencies were talking on Jan. 19. The Chinese had a test on Jan. 13; the Germans had a test on Jan. 16. We fiddled around for two months, we had a test on March 5 and it didn’t work. We didn’t have 10,000 people tested until March 15.

    Edited from: Donald G McNeil Jr. Intetview
    …………………………………………………………….

    However biased these remarks may sound, they are ‘not’ untrue or misleading. The fact is the United States lost a critical 2 months of preparation while Trump and rightwing media denied the virus threat.

      1. FROM COMMIT’S LINK:

        Late November-December 2019: U.S. intelligence agencies warn of a “cataclysmic” and “out-of-control” disease in Wuhan, China.

        The Pentagon’s National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) circulates a report identifying a contagion sweeping through Wuhan, China. NCMI bases its report on wire intercepts, computer intercepts, and satellite images. “Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event,” a source tells ABC News (in April 2020).

        Intelligence community bulletins begin circulating across the government around Thanksgiving. “Those analyses said China’s leadership knew the epidemic was out of control even as it kept such crucial information from foreign governments and public health agencies,” ABC News reports.

        The intelligence reports raise alarms inside the US government because the disease could pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia.
        …………………………………………….

        One can see from this segment of the timeline that Intelligence Reports regarding the virus were first being analyzed during the Thanksgiving to Christmas period.

      2. CommitToHonesDiscussion: Actually I would like a detailed timeline on the various ways Cuomo/ Di Blasio f- d up their city/ state response. I was so shocked it took 1000’s upon 1000’s of deaths till they took the no brainer step of giving the subways a decent daily clean.

        The nursing home/ elderly care situation is a disgrace as hospital facilities sat empty.

        Cuomo’s brother Chris scamming people he was in quarantine in his basement, while who knows how many times (other than the confirmed Easter major quarantine violation) he was out and about spreading to his family & who knows how many others. Di Blasio breaking stay at home rules off at Prospect Park as he’s screaming “ blame the Jews”.

        No PPE stockpile in a city that size! The Health Chief screaming “I don’t give two rats’ a–es about your cops,” as they begged for masks.

        Just a total disgrace.

        1. “CommitToHonesDiscussion: Actually I would like a detailed timeline on the various ways Cuomo/ Di Blasio f- d up their city/ state response. ”

          Gp, you are so right. The timeline article posted was a meaningless atempt to change history. First in the timeline was “Friday, Jan. 13, 2017: The joint Obama-Trump transition teams run an exercise for pandemic preparedness.” but the Obama Administration left the pandemic preparedness closet empty. Obama used the PPE etc. and never refilled it. So much for Obama preparedness.

          What was really happening in January was a scramble to hide the nefaious attempts to use spying and the like to defeat Trump and create new obstacles for the incoming President. The FBI had been weaponized and now they had to prevent the next administration from knowing what was happening, an unconstitutional coup attempt.

          From January in 2017 quickly jump to January 31 this year. Trump banned Chinese travellers while the Democrats and MSM called him a xenophobe and racist trying to obstuct his attempts to prevent any virus spread. Democats as an example went so far as to encourage citizens to attend Chinese New Year celebrations in San Fransisco and NY packing people together. Democratic eyes weren’t on the virus, China, Russia or national security. The eyes were on a booming economy that raised employment levels to new heights for everyone especially blacks and latinos. Democrats knew that a job well done by Trump spelled a loss for them in 2020. What were the Democrats doing instead of being happy about a nation and its people doing well? A final impeachment attempt which was pretty much what they had been doing since January 2017.

          The shenanigans weren’t only on the federal level and that is why 3 blue states (NY, NJ, and Ma) were responsible for about half the Covid deaths and much of the stupidity we have seen to date. That’s Democrats. One Democrat in Pa sends Covid patients into nursing homes while removing her own mother and placing her in a hotel (if she had an R by her name they would be trying her for negligent homicide.) In NJ they did the same and half of NJ deaths came from nursing homes. In NY another genius Democratic state they did the same and killed 5% of the nursing home population. (Fl with the largest senior population has a nursing home death rate of 0.6% while NJ 10%, … take careful note of the decimal point ). NYC didn’t clean the trains and there was a death spike among the transit workers.

          Because of Democratic stupidity, power seeking, eand all sorts of other malignant tendencies we have to read a timeline that hides Democratic guilt clearly in front of our eyes for any reasonable human being to see. The Democratic Party of today is not the party it was years ago. It doesn’t reflect the values of Democrats that still remember the past. Instead it reflects the party seeking absolute power to control citizens absolutely and that is why some of the Democratic states keep setting the goal lines for opening their states further and further away.

    1. Suggest you ngo back and read the comments made by Fauci who in January said,

      “The president was wrong in banning travel from China”

      On Feb 29,

      “Americans have nothing to worry about with the China Virus”
      “There is no need to change their habit now”

      Trump has always worked off of the advice he had from his experts, Fauci and Birx AT THE TIME he received the info.

      It is all on the record despite the rabid liberal media attempting to rewrite history.

      1. You claim that “Fauci … in January said, ‘The president was wrong in banning travel from China’”

        But if you do a quoted internet search on “The president was wrong in banning travel from China,” it comes up empty (“No results found for ‘The president was wrong in banning travel from China’”). So whatever Fauci said, it’s unlikely to be what you’re attributing to him.

        Ditto for your other “quotes”:
        “No results found for “Americans have nothing to worry about with the China Virus”.”
        “No results found for “There is no need to change their habit now”.”

        Since you say “It is all on the record,” how about you back up your claims by providing links to the records you’re referring to?

    2. “Trump and rightwing media denied the virus threat.”

      Is that why Trump did the Chinese Traveller Ban during the impeachment hearings while the left called him a xenophobe, racist, etc and told him to follow the scientists. The scientists, Fauci and WHO, were against the ban.

      Please explain yourself.

    3. Right wing? Go back & check what Dems & mainstream media were saying through mid-March. Fauci early on even said virus likely not a problem for US. DeBlasio & Pelosi encouraged people in February to go out & enjoy Chinese New Year celebrations. These are the same people who cried “racist” when Trump stopped flights at the end of January. There’s plenty of blame to go around, especially when hindsight is 20/20. Rest assured this virus was around since last October, not December.

      1. Edo, your comments here have no substance whatsoever. It’s just a general What About with no specific examples.

        Yet interestingly you don’t dispute that Trump dithered 2 months.

      2. The left simply could have not cared less about the coronavirus. IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH was all they gave a damn about as Trump had to deal with that and being called a racist for making an effort to deal with COVID during that whole fiasco. Even now Pelosi fills her face with Botox (she has to be breaking social distancing rules to keep her wax face looks up) and pricey Ice Cream coming up with more nutty spending sprees of tax payers money.

  14. ERIK WEMPLE EXPLAINS REAL ISSUE

    Professor Turley enclosess a link to the Washington Post column addressing the interview in question:

    The mainstream media’s stated goal of neutral and officious-sounding analysis from reporters has been challenged repeatedly under President Trump. That’s because when it comes to Trump, sheer recitations of fact often double as condemnations. Good morning, presidential candidate Donald Trump last night told CNN that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever,” a news anchor might have told her audience in August 2015.

    The same dynamic emerges in a famous 2016 letter that the New York Times wrote after then-candidate Trump threatened a lawsuit against the paper for its coverage of Trump’s treatment of women. The letter from New York Times lawyer David McCraw read, in part:

    “Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Trump’s own daughter as a ‘piece of @ss.’ Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself”.

    Facts, all of them — though they’re such terrible facts that they sound like biased denunciations.

    Edited from: “N Y Times Reporter Calls Pence A ‘Synchophant’. The Newspaper Says He Went Too Far”

    The Washington Post, 5/12/20
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    KEY PASSAGE FROM ABOVE:

    Facts, all of them – though they’re such terrible facts that they sound like biased denunciations.

    1. REGARDING ABOVE:

      Picking up on that last part, one should note that in the last 48 hours Trump sent a tweet which essentially accused CNN’s Joe Scarborough of murder.

      That Tweet becomes a perfect example of how Donald Trump keeps challenging the media’s ability to cover him in an objective manner. How does one describe a presidential tweet, as reckless as that Scarborough accusation, in terms that sound even vaguely objective?

        1. Mespo, you’ve got it backwards, Trump has a 51% ‘Disapproval’ rating and only a 43% Approval.

          Interestingly Trump’s Approval is about exactly where Jimmy Carter was at this point in his presidency.

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