President Donald Trump tweeted another inflammatory and reckless tweet in suggesting that man injured in the controversial Buffalo police abuse case, Martin Gugino, 75, might be an “Antifa provocateur.” I previously discussed the case from a legal standpoint on the difficulty of proving assault in the second degree. However, it is highly inappropriate for a president to be spreading such claims on a case pending trial and without confirmation. We have discussed the loosely defined groups associated with Antifa but I have not seen proof that Gugino is one of those groups. The tweet is particularly distasteful given that Gugino remains in critical condition.
Trump was repeatedly an allegation first posted on One America News Network, a conservative site that he clearly favors. He tweeted
“Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”
First, the defense will likely claim that the fall was harder than the push, as we discussed. However, there is no question of the very serious injury to Gugino, who was bleeding from the head after the fall.
Second, even if Gugino was a part of the anti-fascism or the anarchist movements, he was not acting violently. He may have disobeyed an order but this conduct would not warrant such an injury. This does not mean that the officers were criminally responsible, but the attack on Gugino is unwarranted.
As Attorney General Bill Barr has stated, they suspect not only Antifa involvement but also other anarchist and even right-wing groups. Antifa was not mentioned in the first 22 criminal cases.
It was a racist hate crime, and they may have killed him.
Time to march nationwide and burn down some stores and attack police stations in all the cities of America – of course that latter part will just be BLM infiltrating our peaceful protests against the long running racism that destroys white cis males.
NO PATRIARCHY, NO PEACE !
NO PATRIARCHY, NO PEACE !
Republican Senators Never See Trump Tweets
Or So They Claim
On the 161st day of the fourth year of the Trump presidency, having grown accustomed to Republican lawmakers’ favorite excuse for refusing to comment on President Trump’s latest incendiary tweet, reporters resorted to a rare tactic.
They printed out copies of Mr. Trump’s post — this one containing an unsubstantiated suggestion that an older protester shoved and injured by the police in Buffalo was an Antifa provocateur who staged his own assault — for any Republican who might try to fall back on what has become a stock response: “I didn’t see the tweet.”
It did not work. Even faced with documentary evidence of the president’s inflammatory remark, most Republicans averted their gaze on Tuesday, declining to comment as they darted through the hallways of Capitol Hill and appearing to wish away what was on paper in front of them.
“I didn’t see it — you’re telling me about it,” Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida and a frequent user of the platform, told a CNN reporter of the message. “I don’t read Twitter, I only write on it.”
Handed a copy of the post, Senator Kevin Cramer, Republican of North Dakota, scanned the page before saying, “I don’t even know the episode he’s talking about.”
Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, who was trained as a lawyer and has himself been targeted by Mr. Trump on Twitter, made a process argument: He has a longstanding policy of not commenting on the president’s tweets.
During his weekly news conference, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, pointedly redirected the conversation toward discussions about efforts at overhauling law enforcement and about how the Senate was responding to protests across the country.
“As I said, what we are discussing in the Senate Republican conference is what response we think is appropriate to the events of the last two weeks,” he said when pressed on whether Mr. Trump’s Twitter post was appropriate.
The episode reflected a now-ingrained political calculus for Republicans when confronted with outrageous utterances from a vindictive president who detests being criticized. Instead of addressing the content or the person responsible, Republicans long ago determined that the least politically fraught avenue is to ignore it altogether, in the hope that the outrage of the day quickly fades. I
“Most of us up here would rather not be political commentators on the president’s tweets,” said Senator John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate. “That’s a daily exercise that is something you all have to cover.” (Mr. Thune acknowledged that he saw both the tweet and the video of the assault, and deemed the post “a serious accusation.”)
Even Mark Meadows, a former representative and now the White House chief of staff, has maintained use of the tactic, telling reporters as he left Capitol Hill on Tuesday that he had “learned a long time ago not to comment on tweets.”
And yet Mr. Trump’s Twitter feed is impossible for Republicans to ignore. The charged language Mr. Trump uses and retweets mingle on his Twitter feed — which has 81.9 million followers — with critical updates on personnel (the abrupt firing of a cabinet official, for instance) and policy changes (including increased tariffs and recognition of Israel’s sovereignty in the Golan Heights).
But lawmakers insisted that it was far more productive, particularly during a pandemic and amid growing demands for action to address police brutality and the racial disparities in the country, to remain focused elsewhere.
“If we sat around all day and just worried about what the president tweeted instead of legislating, then we’d be caught in your vortex,” Mr. Cramer said in an interview after reading the tweet. “Most of the time when the president tweets something that seems crazy, somebody else tells me.”
“I don’t mean to be flippant,” he added. “When I wake up in the morning, the president’s tweets are not in the top 100 things I think about.”
Edited from: “That Trump Tweet? Republicans Prefer Not To See It”
Today’s New York Times
So the republicans are working, while you are pouring water on your burning underwear over a POTUS tweet.
I guess you have the upper hand… if it was above your waist…
Laughing.
The nature of the NYT commentary is to signal the readership that they are now to scold and harass their personal friends into disavowing Trump as a racist and a liar.
Prepare yourselves folks, the NYT now dictates what you are supposed to think and will motivate its readership to “socially distance” themselves from you if you dissent.
This is a dynamic that used to be applied to people in farther-out extremes of political discourse, to socially marginalize them, but it has not seen a lot of action against a sitting president before now. Or maybe they did it to Nixon, I dont know
The thing everyone needs to understand is that the NYT and Wapo are corporate owned behemoths which serve the interests of their ownership, in the case of Wapo, the richest m,an in the world.
Sycophants and lackeys of the our rulers, who want a chance to eat the crumbs from the High Table, will kowtow and follow the orders of the NYT and Wapo and distance themselves from you as they are ordered.
You the Trump voter will have your vote. Make sure you get it done. In the meantime, one must exercidse discretion and cunning and self control and avoid any phony conflicts with friends and relatives which is being ginned up by the masters at NYT and Wapo. Our friends and our families and our neighbors are our people, whom we love, and we can’t allow the hateful agenda of globalism to divide us.
But the pressure is coming on us the Trump voters, and the pathetic Republican party has done little to build any social or cultural infrastructure to help the deplorables, other than just improving the economy in general, there is no coordination of politics and culture such as exist on the left, which is a strategic mistake but one that most conservative movements usually make over the past 70 years, so they fail and fail and fail. Well, there is no sense in us sticking our necks out to argue these matters in daily life. Bend, do not break, be strategic., check your six, and be well. Over and out.
Kurtz, you’re so full of imagined s..t your eyes are mahogany.
I am a regular reader of the NYTs – that’s why I know more than you – and almost never read the opinion columns. Most readers – including those execs and leaders who have it on their desk every morning – get it because it’s the paper of record, not because they need to be told what to think.
Book– Clearly the NYT has told you what to think.
book shows the attitude that the NYT cultivates to sustain its subscription sales. BE SMART READ THE NYT.
this shows how “branding” works and the NYT has had some of the best branding in their industry for a very long time. Fifth avenue, ground zero of behavioral manipulation and control, the marketing cerebral cortex of capitalism, is in a mind meld with NYT.
See how it commands people, by convincing them they thought it up themselves.
This is the genius of capitalism and the American system at work folks. It is the most cunning and sophisticated system of social control in human history. Not because of its brutality but because of its subtlety.
“book shows the attitude that the NYT cultivates to sustain its subscription sales. BE SMART READ THE NYT.”
While Anon reads the NYT one can see the word Stupid tattooed on his forehead.
The genius of capitalism is not selling BS – though marks like you suck up Trump cons and think everyone does – but in producing products which compete and succeed based on how good they are. The NYTs is branded as the paper of record and sells to leaders and other smart people. It succeeds because it delivers a quality product to smart buyers. You of course wouldn’t know.the difference.
lol spoken like a true liberal. the liberterians believe that too. oh, glorious capitalism., Well, sure it functions that way at times, but I’ve illustrated how it does not work that way for mass media. citizen kane clip i have posted here like 20 times, you probably get it too.,
when the market is ideas and politics, what “Works” is only what advances the ideas and interests of the masters who own the papers. not what is objectively verifiable to “Work” for the common good, which is never easy to measure, and anyways, the relevant question is always, WORKS FOR WHO?
this is what i learned from my extensive Marxist education and though I did not like it at the time, now i am old enough to see the wisdom in this critical approach to social institutions
essentially the richest man in the world, jeff bezos, can tell his editors to slant the news in a way that suits and serves his interests. if subscriptions fall off, because of bias, or if advertisers abandon, due to how offensive some things are to certain target audiences, what does he care? he is the richest man not only on Earth but in all human history. he can plug any hole in the Wapo’s operation, always hire new more pliant editors, always use money to backstop losses, always exert sideways influence to mute criticism of his hyper biased editors. he could care less if we think he is fair or not.
PS The Times is not 5th Ave and never has been. It’s on the once seedy near west side.
Wrong metaphor for your faux populism. Your hero lives on 5th Ave.
“The Times is not 5th Ave and never has been.”
Did Kurtz say the NYTimes was located on 5th Ave.? I don’t think so. I will repeat what I have said many times before…learn to read.
Kurtz implied the NYTs was sync with 5th Ave, which he also mistakenly linked to advertising.
Oh well, get anything right.
Book, none of these Trumpers cares to acknowledge that Trump sends crazy Tweets. They’re just like the Senators in the NYT article. Instead of acknowledging the crazy Tweets, they attack the Times. Like posting stories from the Times is an act of provocations. ‘Nice folks know better than to read the New York Times’.
“Instead of acknowledging the crazy Tweets, they attack the Times. ”
Paint Chips, you are a liar. Most of us have stated that we don’t always agree with Trump’s tweets but for the most part he has been proven right. The Times has lied over and over again. Just look at the Russia hoax. Look at the retractions the Times and Wapo had to make because they lied about Project Veritas something that seems to really irk you. Trump’s tweets from the start were mostly correct. HE was spied on even thought the Times said otherwise over and over again. You continuously surround yourself with lies. That is why you are considered a joke and a clown on this blog. You have earned your reputation and deserve everything said about you.
lol, i ackknowledged it before, you must have forgot. he sends crazy tweets and he fibs, too. so what? what are you going to do with me acknowledging it? do you get a star for the day?
i accept this if it works. just like you would accept any amount of bias and lying if it advanced your interests. I have heard decades of lies from certain factions of the Democratic leadership and these were some really, really big lies.
what works is actually the measure in your version of reality, not what is truth anyways, so i am hip to this postmodernist viewpoint and have applied it to my interests.
truth matters yes, but, in propaganda, advertising, editorial, petty facts are not where the big lies happen,. the big lies happen in the conclusions the editors imply from their contextualized “facts”
kind of like selling people a car, that they dont need. oh it may be true that this car gets a very high MPG; it may be true that it’s best in its type; but if the underlying context is that the family can’t afford and doesn’t need a new car, then what does relative MPG matter anyways?
this is what i mean by decontextualization. the socalled facts that trump is fibbing about now and then, 1500 times? if you say so, maybe so! but what he is not lying about are certain larger contexts, in which, the NYT and Wapo want us all to run in exactly the wrong direction.
That’s why I support Trump, because of policies, not because he is a fibber or not. You guys are inveterate fibbers; i am glad the Republicans finally have a leader who will take the gloves off and fight. That is a deeper truth of struggle, and the first step to victory, is to refuse to submit
And that is why they hate Trump: he has breathed life back into the peasants. They almost had us whipped!
here’s an example of lies that mattered in history.
why was northern europe christian?
was it because of God’s grace, or even, the internal merits of Christian doctrine? perhaps!
but here’s a story that helped christianity crush the heathen polytheism that existed in northern europe for centuries after Christian message had been heard, enmd the squabbling, and build what would be later called the “holy roman empire”
The was a big king named Charles. Who ruled what we now call France. Then, Frankia. He was in a war with Saxons to his north and east. He was Catholic but they were all heathens.
Charles had understood like his ancestor Clovis, and his father Charles the Hammer, that Christianity was a binding force that could unify disparate tribes under a big king and make the king bigger. In England Alfred knew this; in Norway Otto figured it out; many did.
But the Sachsens were stubborn lot and not going to “bend the knee”
he said let’s have a peace talk, on an island, the top 4000 chiefs or so, and me. it will be a neutral parlay, word of honor! your safety is guaranteed! they met at Verden, in what is now called Niedersachsen, Lower Saxony.
the Saxon chiefs believed the lie. Well, once they were all on the island, Charlemagne surrounded them. Then, he gave them one more chance to “BEND THE KNEE” and be baptized.
They refused. So he slaughtered them all.
That’s a big story rarely told about the history of converting Europe to Christianity. Maybe without that lie, we would be worshipping Thor? Or maybe Allah! Hard to know what “might have been” without Charlemagne’s Big Lie.
see, “the Massacre of Verden”
Fifth Avenue was being effectively used, I think, as a visual signal and not a real destination. When many people think of NYC and what it has to offer they often associate 5th Ave. Associations in the mind are very powerful. That is why the high end fashion retailers will often have stores on Madison Ave. (specifically associates with that type of lifestyle), Rodeo Drive LA, and Worth Ave. PB Fl. even if the stores do not make a requisite amount of money.
I explained this because I don’t think you have the capability of figuring it out.
5th Ave is not known for advertising – Madison Ave is – nor offices, though some exist there. Above 42nd St, which is what most mean by “5th Ave”, though it travels all the way downtown to Washington Square – is the grand promenade of fashionable stores and The Plaza Hotel. Above 59th it is residential (grand) with the Metropolitan Museum of Art..I used to work in one of the office buildings there a long time ago, and know it well.
For those of us who got a nosebleed if we went above 23rd street, thanks for the travel directions, Book. Lol.
right right i mixed it up. ya got me., no big deal, thanks for correcting the record, lol
“5th Ave is not known for advertising ”
Your brain seems to be made of concrete. Fifth Avenue is a visual signal to many. It doesn’t make a difference where something is rather how people unfamiliar with NYC visualize it. Tangible things change and move but the idea behind 5th Avenue still remains. Parades still go down its street that divides Manhattan into its east and west sides. It is where Museum Mile and Millionaire’s Row exist. It is where St. Patrick’s Cathedral and Rockefeller Center stand. It is where the Empire State Building and the Flatiron building reside. 5th Avenue represents a lot of things to those whose eyes and brains are open.
5th Ave is not known for advertising
Here’s some more directions Hellvis!
I lived on the Lower East Side before it was the East Village, and then just above the Village. Memorable night was the power outage in 1966 (I think). I was on the Lex Ave train, just above the 14th St stop, rush hour, somewhere around 5 PM when it went off. . After about a 20 minute wait they let us out and we walked down the tracks to 14th St. I met a friend at my girl friends place above a bar on 6th Ave, between 13th and 14th, and at dark we walked up 6th to Times Square, with a detour to Port Authority. There was a near full moon and a clear cold night. Beautiful! Very quiet and you could see by the moon. Quietly festive atmosphere with some sidewalk restaurants by candle on 42nd. We eventually headed downtown on 5th Ave and home to bed late. Great and unusual situation.
Where did you live?
right right i mixed that up. i meant madison avenue. well, you understood me anyhow
no problem
I think allan probably has a point when people confuse the retail establishments on fifth avenue with the advertising industry that you correctly stated was associated with madison avenue. the conceptual connection between advertising and retail. that’s probably exactly why I had it mixed up.
I have only been to NYC three times. I certainly remember Fifth avenue on my second trip. and the fifth avenue presbyterian church, where I stopped to take a breather. i went into St Patrick’s too but it was too big for me to relax, and the Presbyterian church had more gemutlichkeit
the last time I spent the whole trip in Flushing and didn’t go outside Queens
Kurtz, it was the content that mattered. Your mistake is one that is made by many. Think of just one song, Irving Berlin’s Easter Bonnet… ‘on Fifth Avenue…the photoraphers will snap you and … you will be in the magazine’ I don’t remember the exact words but that explains how one is advertised to the world.
You spent a lot of time in Queens, why? I’ve had friends stay with us in Manhattan. I found some people cannot handle the hustle and bustle of Manhattan.
Flushing was the site of the 1939 and mid sixties World’s Fairs – right across from Shea Stadium. I went to flushing, but otherwise night Queens. Lived briefly in Brooklyn.
I have visited Chicago, maybe 10 times and very much like the city. My daughter lived and worked on State and Chesnut, so great place to be for downtown. Another relative was in Winnetka, so know the north side. Have been to Wrigley, maybe 4 times, the new Sox field twice, and especially favorite find was Graceland, the cemetary above Wrigley where all the famous Chicago names form the 19th Century are buried, some in elaborate mausoleums or headstones. Mies predictably has a slab!
Nice one on the keeping up the not insulting stuff by hook or crook, a very woodsy response initiation.
“and almost never read the opinion columns.”
Gee, will you be mad if I point out you posted an OpEd and I don’t believe you ?
I think you scramble for the oped page, rapidly shuffling through the pages ripping it from the distended bundle of now wrinkled and rattling earth killing mocking pulp just to feed your endorphin monkey.
Of course I could be wrong, and you’re a cheapskate and just settle for the online version. With all due respect, of course.
Thanks Seth for making your “cut and pastes” so long that I can recognize them for the mindless propaganda you spew and scroll right through!
Cindy, you mentioned your grandsons in a previous exchange. Do you teach them to insult people? Or are you simply unable to control yourself?
Even if charges are dropped, it won’t change the fact that Trump chose to comment on the case while the case was pending.
Commit….Is your mother able to control herself? Or is she still turning tricks?
My mom died of cancer 15 years ago. Apparently you get off on insulting dead people with nonsense you’ve invented, and it’s so important to you to insult me that you’ll try to use her to do it.
Your insults say much more about you than about me, and gven the frequency with which you insult people, it’s quite likely that you’re teaching this to your grandsons, whether you intend to or not.
Commit…….That’s a lie to get sympathy…..You’re pathetic.
You just prefer to imagine it is and continue with your insults, but no, it’s not a lie.
I could tell you the primary site of the rare sarcoma she died from, and how it metastasized, and the various surgeries and chemo and the two clinical trials she participated in in an attempt to survive, and … And also the wonderful Threshhold Choir that came to sing bedside while she was in hospice before she died, and the many things that still prompt me and my siblings to think of her with love.
But you don’t really care, so I won’t go into any of those details.
And I won’t respond to you any further.
Shut it an APOLOGIZE, you started it skumbag.
Shakdi:
Don’t know about you but I love the Leftist play for sympathy using likely falsehoods. The “But you don’t really care, so I won’t go into any of those details” after giving all the details up to and including the choir caroling is the tell. They can’t keep from lying even in the same paragraph.
Cindy Bragg – you can ask the attorney you currently sleep with, but I think you can free insult the dead. The dead have no rights.
Paul……LOL!!
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Paul C………kurtz’ name was added to mine on my comments…….don’t know how!!
And Cindy no moral compass or decency. Still not a good match.
You started it. To detention, brat.
Cindy is a disgraceful a..h..e. and Trump is just right for people like her. What kind of lowlife scumbag says crap like that about someone else’s mother?
btb……..oh boo-effing-hoo. You’re such a liar.
Cindy, if you are not an a..h..e and lowlife scumbag, you need to prove it, because you have repeatedly acted like one. This isn’t the 1st time you said somebody who you disagreed with’s mother, was turning tricks.
He started it.
They all need to shut up and apologize, or they can face the facts, he started it.
Cindy:
I hear you got insulted by a mindless, sanctimonious old troll. Wear it like a badge of honor!
Mespo is another poster here who approves of a debating technique involving calling out your opponents mother as a whore.
Not surprising for Trump supporters who are proving to be as indecent as he is.
mespo! Yes!, not only am I wearing it as a badge of honor, but I’m thinking of turning it into an entire new line of clothing!
.🤣
I think his insults really appeal to most of his supporters. There’s a great Adam Serwer article, The Cruelty Is the Point: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/ (and I find Serwer’s articles thoughtful more generally).
A Trump supporter echoed this later, during the 2018-2019 government shutdown: “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” Many of his supporters will stick with him because they want to hurt certain people (Democrats, people of color, immigrants, …), and they think he’s effective in doing it, even if the side effects are awful, even when the desire to hurt people is unhealthy, …
TDS projection level above 100%
Good article.
This board is where about a month ago most of the regular posters were enjoying schadenfruede over the murder of a couple who had adapted a black kid by one of her teen boyfriends. Taught them a lesson or some such despicable reasoning – and this from mostly “pro-life” posters too.
There’s some real dirt bags here and Trump is their guy.
” There’s some real dirt bags here..”
“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
“Many of his supporters will stick with him because they want to hurt certain people ..”
LAUGHING, the hypocrisy is glaring. You’ve hit the outer reaches of your insane universe, together.
TDS level up, you get a _________ colored token for your latest wrist strap.
I’m pro choice now, formerly pro life, and want to up the funding for Planned Parenthood too. The riots have me convinced this is a humane alternative to what’s been brewing. Margaret Sanger had it right in so many ways. I know this is a sin in the Catholic Church but they are closed for business now anyhow.
Maybe if Joe Biden gets elected he will help us out with certain problems like Bill Clinton did, unexpectedly. Heck, who knows what silver linings may crop up from unexpected places.
One thing’s for sure, if the CCP ever takes over America, that will be the end of rioting and looting. And no more whining about cops once they’re in charge. At least there will be that.
I’ve always thought that true Trump support lies in his being a proxy for hostility against political and socioeconomic ‘enemies’. It was behind the emotional rush supporters got at Trump rallies. And I believe, to the extent he’s concerned with shaping the next day’s media message other than deflection issues to try to extract himself from the current day’s mess, that Trump has aides come up with a list of the most obnoxious policy steps forward and he chooses one to try and hammer the news cycle.
hellvis;
“the other” is a potent force in any group forming dynamic. it happens in any form of social competition for resources and politics is no exception
I refer again to Carl Schmitt’s Theory of the Political
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schmitt/
i can agree with that, but i am not going to moralize over it.
if other groups can choose their leadership or defining who is their adversary, then mine can too. I won’t accept that it is moral for others to have rivals, but i just have to lie down and surrender.
of course, one wonders if that is the Christian message in a nutshell. turn the other cheek!
some have made that claim, and rejected it as a life denying nihilism. i continue to evaluate this proposition.
Well, 99% of your burn loot and destroy peaceful protesters, and they scream it into the faces of the police, by hook or crook.
Yes, and your doofus blabbering skumbag fellow traveler started it.
You both may apologize to Cindy when you’re done whining about being beaten by a woman.
Cindy Bragg, that was disgusting and in violation of the Civility Rule here.
Tch, tch.
It’s a violation of the civility rule in biker bars and ISIS dungeons.
My heavens, how did such a contentious conversation erupt? I was busy and missed all the fireworks.
Folks, we are fellow Americans. Let’s have a discourse about political matters in which we embrace each other as citizens and offer mutually respectful disputations. Even if we are provoked with insults, we should attempt to model respect.
Sometimes it will seem unfair how one venue or another functions, but let’s continue to have a constructive dialogue even in these hot headed and trying times.
Mr Kurtz……Thank you, but I believe you’re a little naive. Those “guys” post here to provoke, not to discuss. And they know which buttons to push. I was just trying to keep up. But I understand that many do not like for women to engage in combat.
Sorry if you were offended. Have a good evening.
Mr. Kurtz…….somehow your name was added to mine on a few of my comments….No clue how it happened! Sorry
Benson…….when commenters bring up my grandsons in that context, they deserve it. If I’m kickef off the blog, I’ll live….but at least I know I defended myself and my family.
They do it on purpose. I understand that.
You pulled the same rude and uncivil line against another poster 2 days ago and like committ said nothing insulting about anyone in your family except you.
Laughing. Should we make a score up on which insults count for what points so we can grade the exchanges ?
Above I see skumbag attacked, and Cindy responded. So far, he’s going to jail with you, his useful idiot supporter.
Hey blind boy, the mentally insane one started the insulting …
“Do you teach them to insult people? Or are you simply unable to control yourself?”
So it’s too late to cry when a woman wipes the floor with your fellow dupe.
Shakdi……..Thank you.
Yes, I’ll save one up for him. Something like:
Commit, do you punch yourself in the face in front of the mirror when you run out of botox ?
Or do you instead borrow some from your transgendered offspring ?
If he responds in the negative we can attack him for not behaving…and pretend I never said anything to start it.
Yeah, not on my watch. NO WAY the two lib cucks are getting away with it.
Shakdi……👍
“Cindy Bragg. Kurtz”
It’s probably a DFU error.
Cindy, just in case you don’t know Dopey was cursing at you. He is a pig. I wonder if he has been divorced yet or if he cross dresses when at home.
David Benson is the God Emperor of Making Stuff Up and owes me forty-five citations (one from the OED, one from the town ordinances and two from the Old Testament), an equation and the source of a quotation, after seventy-nine weeks, and needs to cite all his work from now on. – as insults go, Cindy’s was both funny and refreshing. Yours are always stale. Same ol’. same ol’. Just as a matter of curiosity though, would you cite the part of the Civility Code that says NO MOTHERS.
Paul C….funny!
Paul C……..somehow Kurtz’ name showed up on my gravatar!,,, LOL
Cindy Bragg – don’t tell that attorney you are sleeping with, he might get jealous. 😉
Paul C…….lol how did it happen?? I don’t remember saying I Do to anything…😅
She only turned tricks when big mouth opened his piehole and told her to.
Of course she had no self control or will, so she just did what he told her to, after all, he needed extra twinkies.
That’s why these sour pussed liars want everyone around any case to be totally silenced until they pull their criminal schemes in court.
Everyone is too dumb to be “juror of your peers”. My golly if someone comments, there goes the average idiot, all mkultra’d and it’s just horrible !
It’s all lies in court anyway, so they need the upper hand in their devious prosecution schemes full of brady violations 99% of the time.
See how that works. It just goes to show everyone that most of the court system is complete garbage filled with liars and goons squabbling over unclear idiocies.
We just can’t let a jury of your peers experience reality in the USA. If they do, they are utterly disqualified.
IT’S A SICK JOKE.
Good. We’re sick of all you mental cases claiming no one has their own judgement.
It’s all a big scam.
Silence and secrecy, your call words, so your corrupt BS can flow through the prosecutors and jail the innocent.
Works both ways, dummy.
Yeah, Trump shore is keeping those __________ people down – _____________ people wreck every city in America… what a nazi that Trump is !
THEY’RE INSANE. LET’S FACE IT. IT’S LOONEY TUNES !
Shakdi – speaking of Looney Tunes, they are taking Yosemite Sam’s guns away from him.
Good one because I honestly do not know if that is a joke or not.
Shakdi – I follow the anime and cartoon community and this was announced in the last week. Yosemite Sam will lose his guns. Next the Coyote will not be able to buy from Acme.
Yes, they was all good folk jus walking arounds and waving at the locals hopin’ they could get a bit of jussie justice….
Then somez evils from off skelter come in an messed it all up……
WHAT A FRIKKIN’ JOKE !
I find Prof. Turley’s observations to be rational. I have seen the video of the incident involving Mr. Gugino. I doubt that there was any intention to cause him physical harm in any criminal sense of the word “intent.” I also agree that the President’s labeling of him as an “ANTIFA provoacateur” is reprehensible. It is also typical, not only of Mr. Trump’s casual slanders, but of his demonstrated lack of commitment to the truth.
The responses to the column, as usual, miss the point entirely. Instead of addressing the propriety of the President’s tweet, posters have virtually lined up to brand Mr. Gugino as an anarchist who got what he deserved, although we know nothing of the gentlemen or his motivations in joining the demonstration. As if to underscore his rightful place among those deemed worthy of charges of subversion, one has even asserted (anonymously, of course), that Mr. Gugino “is a member of the Catholic Worker’s Party, a well-known anarchist group.”
Whether the statement was a function of ignorance, anti-Catholic attitudes or a combination of both makes no difference to me. It was stupid. First, there is not and never has been a “Catholic Worker’s Party” (or a Catholic Antifa party, for that matter). Indeed, there has never been an identifiably Catholic political party in the history of this country. Second, the Catholic Workers Movement is not an anarchist group. It’s founder, Dorothy Day, had a complicated history and did have a brief flirtation with anarchism when she was very young. She began the Catholic Worker’s Movement after her conversion to Catholicism and immersion in the Church’s teachings on social justice, particularly the writing of Leo XIII on workers’ rights in the encyclical Rerum novarum. Those who are familiar with the industrial history of this country will understand the background to her work. Third, James Martin, S.J., is not the “pastor to the left,” a silly statement. Nor does he need to be “silenced,” as another anonymous poster claimed, after noting that Fr. Martin’s statement was “Jesuitical,” whatever that means.
As those of you who are familiar with my many comments on free speech know, I do not regard any belief, religious or otherwise, as immune from criticism or even contempt. I do not believe in “safe spaces” or “speech codes,” “hate crime” legislation or blasphemy laws. But I do react to ignorance, and bigoted ignorance is simply more annoying. As for Dorothy Day, were my commitment to the poor, the homeless, the powerless and the forgotten ever measured against hers, I would stand shamed before the world.
You may all now return to the apparently more comforting world of ad hominem argument.
Mike said: “although we know nothing of the gentlemen or his motivations in joining the demonstration”.
We know what he himself has posted online and that is quite enough to get a clue of his attitude and intentions and motivations.
For some reason he decided to delete it as fast as he can. Wonder why? Maybe to create the impression that we know nothing about him?
Don’t confuse him with Mother Theresa. He didn’t delete his record fast enough to sustain any impression of that character.
“he decided to delete it as fast as he can.”
Another of your evidenceless claims, and ludicrous for you to assume that you’d know when he was well enough to do this. As of yesterday, news reported “Martin Gugino is still hospitalized and his condition remains largely unchanged. He is in serious but stable condition.”
“Third, James Martin, S.J., is not the “pastor to the left,” a silly statement.”
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It’s only “silly” if you don’t know much about the heretical Jesuit. Here’s a primer with citations to Catholic dogma:
https://www.churchmilitant.com/main/generic/fr.-james-martin-sj
mespo – that is why the answer to the question “Is the Pope Catholic?” is currently NO!!!!
Paul:
You got that right. The proper obviously affirmatively answered question now is: “Is the Pope Mao?”
I made a decision several months ago not to engage with anonymous posters for a variety of reasons. However, I am responding to you, mespo, only because I know you. I won’t indulge in an exchange of religious insults. If you have negative views of Catholicism, that is your privilege. However, if you are interested in learning something about orthodox Catholic teaching, I suggest to you that the site you relied upon is a poor selection for authoritative information. Mr. Voris is an outlier whose views on many theological topics, even one as fundamental as the Trinity, do not comport with established Catholic doctrine. His personal opinion of Fr. Martin is just that, personal. But, as you know, extremist websites are not limited to the field of politics.
Mike A:
I’m not attacking the Church. I’m analyzing Martin’s views and comparing them to currently understood church doctrine. Voris is an outlier but he accurately states Catholic dogma on the topic discussed. It is not logically possible to reconcile Martin’s statements with the current dogma except the forgiveness of the sinner if not the sin. That is why Martin is the outlier in terms of Catholic teachings not Voris and why I called him “pastor to the left.”
To show Voris’ faithfulness to the text, I’m re-printing the Catechism in full: Chastity and homosexuality
“2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.”
You don’t have to agree with Voris’ conclusions (as I do) but you at least have to admit there is a conflict between Martin’s interpretation and the above text.
It is possible to think the intent of the cops was not malicious at the same time one is not compelled to therefore slander the old guy, who was also not acting maliciously or threateningly. Our President is a well know a..h…e and nothing better can be expected of him, so he’s irrelevant to a discussion of this event on a rational basis.
Neither the cops or the old guy acted “perfectly” to use the favored adjective of the day, but neither deserves to have their lives ruined over it. Work out the details, but case closed.
Cut the CRUD – the old goat was going to pull his shenanigans and already reported by witness he squealed at the police he wasn’t going to move.
If you’re a frail old fool don’t block a police march that is expressly done for clearing the area, which the old dumb goat knew beforehand, because of his extensive history of activism and arrests.
The karma caught up with him just like it did the felony gun in the gut home invasion perp g floyd recidivist doper and criminal who got what he deserved too.
Gigantifc f up on the cops part.
Those guys are trained in risk assessment as they learn to just keep moving forward, something they’ve practiced in gaming out active shooter drills among other things..
F minus in assessing the level of threat with Gugino and now the right wing yakkety yakkers are having to come up with their best attempts at an excuse.
And of course the douche tractor Trump is taking the conspiracy directly off OAN and running with it. Why would he act any differently than he has his entire term?
“And of course the douche tractor Trump is taking the conspiracy directly off OAN . . . ”
douche tractor?
Man, what grade are you in?
You’re right. As an upperclassman i have a responsibility to represent well for upcoming students like yourself…
What i really meant to say– when referring to the f widget in the oval office — is that he’s straight up crime scene in a porta potty. A morally and ethically bankrupt carnival barker that conned enough of the gullible to slide into office on a technical electoral college victory and then proceeded to constantly pollute his office with the foul butt breath of mania.
Yet we’ve met exactly zero detractors that rise above Trump’s public words level.
That of course, includes you, whose name is also below the level.
“Those guys are trained in risk assessment ”
Next Hellvis is going to say he audited the police academies training of future policemen.
Hellvis – here is a 4 time loser sent in to be cannon fodder by the Antifa activist. He is a willing fool. That is how Antifa works.
A young cop, doing his job for law and order. shot in the head in Las Vegas by an evil “protester”, in a coma, but still alive
Viva Shay Mikalonis!
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/wounded-las-vegas-officer-has-2nd-surgery-remains-critical-2049025/
“Here is a different angle of the incident in Buffalo in which an officer/s pushed over a 75yo man, leading him to tumble to the concrete sidewalk where he hit his head and fell unconscious.”
video:
https://twitter.com/murray_nyc/status/1268810219846582272
Cripes, you can hear his head bounce and the groaned reaction of some of the cops.
Yeah, the sound of his head hitting the sidewalk gets me each time I hear it.
Taken with the other video one can see it wasn’t the push that knocked him over. It looks like he stumbled. I feel sorry for the man but he caused the events that followed along with the cracking sound when he hit his head.
He got right up there are told ’em he wasn’t going to move.(already posted link and witness)
Why do you wait till the entire police crew starts their march along to clear, to go up there and pull your crud ?
Because you’re a special person, only you get to break every rule and every common sense thought that ever occurred to mankind.
A useless stunt and he got what he deserved.
This tweet could prejudice the police officers, as there are so many people who hate Trump that those who make the jury–if the case goes to trial–might be more likely to convict, even on thin or flimsy evidence.
Fred Trump and KKK. Folks. Go online on Google Images and ask for Fred Trump and KKK. One photo has Donald with his parents and they have on KKK outfits.
Obama didn’t comment on Gates until after the charges were dropped.
Obama saying “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon” isn’t analogous to Trump saying “Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur.” Obama waited until after the Zimmerman verdict before commenting on the case, other than to urge that it be investigated.
Faulty analogy on your part.
CommitToHeinousDiscussion……….ok, I think I understand: IF charges against the police are dropped then you are fine with Trump calling Guniga an Antifa provocateur.
Got it.
“Gugino”
I clicked on “reply,” but it posted unthreaded, so I’ll try again…
Cindy, you mentioned your grandsons in a previous exchange. Do you teach them to insult people? Or are you simply unable to control yourself?
Even if charges are dropped, it won’t change the fact that Trump chose to comment on the case while the case was pending.
“Cindy, you mentioned your grandsons in a previous exchange. Do you teach them to insult people? Or are you simply unable to control yourself?”
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Let’s hope so since ridicule is the appropriate response to the preposterous ideas of those who try to insult your intelligence..
Obama didn’t comment on Gates until after the charges were dropped.
And Obama saying “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon” isn’t analogous to Trump saying “Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur.” Obama waited until after the Zimmerman verdict before commenting on the case, other than to urge that it be investigated.
Faulty analogy on your part.
What about the mob he bussed down to Sanford to surround public buildings and demand that Zimmerman be prosecuted?
Young, you’re claiming Barrack Obama personally funded a bus convoy to Florida regarding the Zimmerman case..??
Feel free to post support of that contention from a recognizable source.
The DOJ funded it. Look it up yourself lazybones.
I think you mean the Community Relations Service, and, yes, they may have. Not sure. They’re kind of an in-house lobby for officious nonsense.
Oh goodie, a loaded question where you present no actual evidence.
No doubt you want me to hold my breath until you provide it here too.
Yes, Commit, I do want you to hold your breath until I do research for you.
You’re not going to get your wish here.
And I’m not going to get mine that you provide evidence for your claim.
Allan– Yeah, I looked at that but wasn’t going to respond to Commit. Apart from that, I remember the coverage of the incident and saw the mob–mostly young and white, I think– demanding Zimmerman be prosecuted. The only reason it was shown was because the media thought a mob screaming for Zimmerman’s head was a good thing. Shortly after a hanging prosecutor from Jacksonville was appointed. She promptly declared her alliance with the Martin family. That was likely an ethical violation. A prosecutor represents the people to see that justice is done, not the ‘victim’, and in this case we can see why that is the standard. I don’t know how the judge was chosen or what pressures were put on her, but her rulings excluded important evidence that would have helped Zimmerman.
As for Obama’s claim thar if he had a son he would be like Trayvon, probably true, a sociopathic, violent, entitled thug.
The imported prosecutor lost her next election.
LOL You’re characterization of the DOJ actions in no way resembles what is stated in that link. Maybe if Trump put that team to work in Minneapolis, there wouldn’t have been riots. Obama Derangement Syndrome is very real. Seems like they worked on the cheap, too.
https://jonathanturley.org/2020/06/09/trump-tweets-attack-on-gugino-as-possible-antifa-provocateur/comment-page-2/#comment-1964124
As for Obama’s claim thar if he had a son he would be like Trayvon, probably true, a sociopathic, violent, entitled thug.
Obama has daughters. I suspect the media cover up what they can, but there’s been nothing to date to indicate they’re anything but sullen adolescents of no special distinction. His sister also has just daughters, so divining the tendencies in the family is a challenge. His brother-in-law, Craig Robinson, has at least one son, but he hasn’t landed in the police blotter. Obama himself has a known history of petty drug use, but nothing more. Neither Obama, his sister, his wife, or his brother-in-law have a history with the law much less with violent crime, so I’m not sure how you come by this judgment.
Trayvon Martin was a problem and all of the adults caring for him knew it. His mother had grown exasperated with him and put him on a bus to Brandi Greene’s place outside of Orlando, where she knew Tracy Martin was staying. When he went missing, Tracy Martin’s first reaction was to call the local juvenile detention center (not realizing his son’s dead body was about 70 yards away in the alleyway behind Brandi Greene’s townhouse). He was a problem. His brother Jahvaris was not a problem. Trayvon had a paternal-side cousin he was closer to than his brother. Not aware of any dirt on said cousin, though there might be some.
TIA, Obama didn’t say that if he “had a son he would be like Trayvon,” he said ““If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”
I think you’re smart enough to understand the difference.
Either you’re not paying attention, or you’re purposefully conflating those two different things.
If he looked like Trayvon he would have looked like a typical young thug. You haven’t seen the pictures from Trayvon’s phone showing him holding a gun? How about his phone messages boasting about his fight club? How about the women’s jewelry in his school locker traced to a burgled home near his school? How about the autopsy report showing organ damage from drug use? I am waiting to hear Obama saying his adult son would be just like Floyd.
Absurd– Given the state of the media how likely is it you would hear anything about trouble Obama’s kids got into? Nobody but those closest to them knows one way or the other. In any event, boys behave differently. The environment in America rewards unsocial activity, particularly among black children, and I am not confident that privilege is enough to protect them. A friend of mine who earned a very good living as a loan officer did everything for her son as he was growing up. Despite a life of privilege he decided to rob someone at gunpoint. Maybe to connect with his black culture. His victim was armed and he was shot dead. It was a tragedy in many respects but I had to wonder what went wrong. Certainly nothing in his comfortable home.
Young, I was thinking of letting it go but I knew Judicial Watch had written on this so I figured I would push Needs To Be Committed in the right direction.
Thanks. I was relying mostly on my recollection of events as they unfolded but Judicial Watch is great for getting corroboration. At times they discover more than the entire Congress is able to find.
The JW claim is not backed up by their “documents”. Here is a video produced by the DOJ on the work of the CRS, which was instituted as part of CR Act of 1964.
In the video, local Sanford officials and pastors – white and black discuss the role the CRS played in keeping the peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezMxLN6nzq8
Here’s the DOJ press release on the CRS work in Sanford and 2 other locations
““As the department’s ‘peacemaker’ for community conflicts and tensions, the Community Relations Service has one of the most demanding and critical jobs in the Department of Justice,” said Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch. “By bringing together stakeholders from all walks of life for peaceful dialogue and meaningful cooperation, CRS helps give divided communities a chance to embark on a more hopeful and united path. For over 50 years, they have met the needs of communities across the country with unfailing skill and unflagging dedication. Our nation is a more just and peaceful place because of their efforts, and I want to thank CRS for its outstanding contributions throughout this administration.”
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-releases-videos-highlighting-work-community-relations-service
Pretty much what you would expect from a government PR office.
The video is all local Sanford government officials and pastors, white and black, praising CRS’ peace keeping activities.. No feds are on the video.
Did you notice the url? It is a government propaganda piece.
The video is all local Sanford government officials and pastors, white and black, praising CRS’ peace keeping activities.. No feds are on the video.
“The JW claim is not backed up by their “documents”.
So Anon or whomever you are right now, did you read the Judicial Watch Report? If so which sentences weren’t true? “Did you bother to look at the documents reproduced by JW? Of course not. The evidence is loud and clear based on the original documents JW provided and you didn’t read.
Maybe you can’t read.
I did read it, The Documents do not support their claims. The video I posted is of Sanford government officials and pastors, black and white, discussing the role the GRS played keeping the peace.
There was a lot more there if you follow the links and copies of documents at SCRIBD. Then you have to tell us what alternative purpose there was for the documents? You are using opinions to disprove documents? Not the smartest thing to do. I await your explanation, but be prepared to explain your explanation.
Except for Hitchcock, directors usually do not appear in the films they are directing. It is a propaganda piece by a federal agency. The letters ‘pr’ even appear it its url.
Feel good agency propaganda.
HIGHLIGHTS OF ALAN’S JUDICIAL WATCH LINK:
March 30 – April 1, 2012, CRS spent an additional $751.60 in Sanford, FL “to provide technical assistance to the City of Sanford, event organizers, and law enforcement agencies for the march and rally on March 31.”
April 3 – 12, 2012, CRS spent $1,307.40 in Sanford, FL “to provide technical assistance, conciliation, and onsite mediation during demonstrations planned in Sanford.”
April 11 – 12, 2012, CRS spent $552.35 in Sanford, FL “to provide technical assistance for the preparation of possible marches and rallies related to the fatal shooting of a 17 year old African American male.”
From a Florida Sunshine Law request filed on April 23, 2012, JW received thousands of pages of emails on April 27, 2012, in which was found an email by Miami-Dade County Community Relations Board Program Officer Amy Carswell from April 16, 2012: “Congratulations to our partners, Thomas Battles, Regional Director, and Mildred De Robles, Miami-Dade Coordinator and their co-workers at the U.S. Department of Justice Community Relations Service for their outstanding and ongoing efforts to reduce tensions and build bridges of understanding and respect in Sanford, Florida” following a news article in the Orlando Sentinel about the secretive “peacekeepers.”
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Based on the Judicial Watch page, it appears that Obama’s DOJ was primarily concerned with preventing riots. And to that end they were working with local governments in addition to protesters. And it was all done on a relatively small budget. Though I don’t see anything in there about busing protestors to Florida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezMxLN6nzq8
Video of Sanford officials and pastors praising the CRS’ s work keeping the peace.
That;s their job.
Paint Chips, firstly go back to the page and go to the links for further information and actual documents. Secondly, why is the DOJ Community Relations Service involving themselves in this case and not in others?
Read the charter it operates under dummy. It is part of the CR Act of 1964 and is charged with helping communications and keeping the peace in communities under stress from civil rights cases. Your link is BS. I read it. It’s trying to spin as political what it’s job was and what the local government officials and pastors – white and black – said on the video I linked was helpful during a period of intense community stress. Watch it.
This wasn’t even a Civil Rights case.This was a created case with a lot of BS attached and we see some of that BS came from the Obama administration. Read the links of the JW papers. They go into further detail more than the press release. Where did the State of Florida request this involvement? That the Obama Administration expanded the role of the CRS beyond belief is without question. The Civil Rights act did provide the Obama administration with a reason to help with organizing and manage rallies
Allan……thank you for your kindness through your words about me!
Cindy, I meant those words. You would get along well with my wife.
Allan……LOVE the alternate moniker for committed.😊
Cindy, I liked yours as well. He has so many aliases we might as well create a few more for him.
https://jonathanturley.org/2020/06/09/trump-tweets-attack-on-gugino-as-possible-antifa-provocateur/comment-page-2/#comment-1964124
This was supposed to have been a reply to someone on the previous page. There’s a tech glitch that causes comments to sometimes become unthreaded.
CommitToHeinousDiscussion………..ok, I think I understand: IF charges against the police are dropped then you are fine with Trump calling Gugino an Antifa provocateur.
I think trump’s approval might be over 50% if he could just edit himself a bit more. What makes Trump Trump and what I actually have come to admire about him is his pugnacious, fighting spirit, and the fact that no matter how outrageous some of his tweets may be, he never, ever apologizes.
I hope he will not apologize for this tweet; I also wish he had not posted it.
Refusing to ever apologize is a weakness, not a strength.
Did Obama apologize for anything or did he blame subordinates for unconcealable wrongs?
If you want to know, look it up.
I have a burden of proof for my actual claims, but my claim was not about Obama.
Gugino leads to Western NY Peace Center to Justice at Home and Abroad and from their to supporting international control of Justice. And that was just the tip.Sounds quite benign until you get to ‘international control of justice.Well….. somebody has to be the Party Theoritician. Can’t leave it all up to James Carville.
There was an analogous outfit in Rochester for many years known as the “Peace and Justice Education Center”, like the one in Buffalo an affiliate of “Clergy and Laity Concerned”. It was run for a time by bum named Jack Spula. I think he might have been an RN. Spula was by the time he was in his 40s obnoxiously bisexual in print. The outfit in Rochester was a collecting pool of people who were in essence pro-Soviet during the late Cold War. It merited no respect.
Right now the dismal performance of the Church in America, which has long allowed these political operatives and perverts to exploit church resources, was tolerated.
But now they have nailed their coffin shut by abandoning the sacraments during the Covid. This is really the last straw. Big mistake. They could have kept up some form of funerals and masses even with physical distancing, but it was too much trouble. They just issued a dispensation and shut it all down. So pathetic.
They’re fully pragmatically and utterly American about this. There was nothing “Roman” about it. They are thinking that their mission is actually just to go along to get along, stay solvent, no problem. They obviously dont believe their own doctrines. It’s mighty clear, they think all they have to do is just wave the flag and the coin in the coffer will ring.
They’re going to find out as tithes and donations collapse, that the faithful they have long abandoned, have now abandoned them.
here’s a list of BKs from 2018. More to come!
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/catholic-dioceses-and-orders-filed-bankruptcy-and-other-major-settlements
The Roman Catholic Church started the 20 century off as the strongest hand left at the table. By now it might as well pack it in, they are a “whitened sepulchre”
Matthew 23:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
President Trump should use a similar communications team for Tweets that any president uses for speeches.
But he won’t. I’m sure his team chugs antacids and pulls their hair out.
Future presidents will probably learn from these missteps and employ a social media team to insulate them.
If he was Antifa, then it is information on the case. However, Trump ruminating on the possibility is a pitfall. If he has no connection to Antifa, then he’ll be blasted. If he was Antifa, then he’ll be blasted because it’s still no OK that a non violent person fell after getting pushed back and split his head open.
From the video, if I hadn’t known already that he’d fallen, I would have thought he was going to get his feet. But he oscillated more out of stability instead and eventually just fell over backwards. What a terrible sound. He was elderly and tall, a bad combination for balance.
While I don’t think the cops should be fired, let alone prosecuted, this man’s fall should trigger a review of policy on handling non compliant people over the age of 65. If you touch a cop they are probably going to push you off. I have had protestors shove me from behind, throwing me into police shields. They shoved me back off them, but bore me no ill will. They were holding a line. When I told the cop in front of me that I wanted no part of this, and needed out, he took me by the arm, brought me behind him, and the cops passed me down the line, with someone always holding me by the arm, until I was safely out of the mob. They kept a hand on me so they knew where I was, that it wasn’t some trick to get past them. But they helped me when I asked in the middle of being frankly busy.
We have cop friends out here in CA. I’ll have to ask what the policy is out here on moving an elderly person. I would think steering him by his elbows would have been safer.
I’ve changed my mind on the GF matter, I could care less now. It appears justice was done, in spite of everyone whining.
” George Floyd the criminal
Theft in august 1998 incarcerated
2002 criminal trespassing 30 days jail
October 2002 cocaine arrest prison
December 2005 10 months cocaine prison
prison release 2014 aggravated robbery
The report states the largest of the group, who the victim later identified as Floyd, ‘forced his way inside the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant’s abdomen, and forced her into the living room area of the residence.
‘This large suspect then proceeded to search the residence while another armed suspect guarded the complainant, who was struck in the head and sides by this second armed suspect with his pistol while she screamed for help.’
Not finding any drugs or money at the house, the men took jewelry and the woman’s cell phone and fled in their car. A neighbor who witnessed the robbery took down the car’s license plate number.
Later, police tracked down the car and found Floyd behind the wheel. He was later identified by the woman as the large suspect who placed a gun against her stomach and forced her into her living room, the document states.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/75-year-old-man-pushed-by-buffalo-police-is-long-time-activist
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GOOD RIDDENS, my condolences to the police officers
wrong link
https://greatgameindia.com/george-floyd-criminal/
Similar to my comments earlier when I was saying the case was weak and Floyd was no saint.
Maybe Floyd deserved to be arrested, but police should not use excessive force, which it appears they did. Floyd’s rap sheet does not give a blank check for police to abuse him. It also doesn’t make him a saint. The police officers are entitled to justice, but I am afraid they will only get mob justice.
The police used an approved method of restraint taught by the department and used by both black and white police officers. The autopsy did not show any causal link between the restraint and Floyd’s death. Instead, it showed drug intoxications and cardiovascular problems and virus infections, any one of which INDEPENDENTLY could have caused his death.
The autopsies did say Homicide, but then Epstein’s autopsy said Suicide. In political matters all reports are in danger of being tainted.
I have seen these particular restraint methods a lot the past few years, and I don’t like them. The knee on the neck on the cuffed suspect thing is no good. If they are cuffed and down a hand on the back is good enough., There is no need for this knee on the neck compression hold.
Understand however, the obvious tactical intention is to keep the hands free to draw a weapon etc. This has come online due to the tactics disseminated by Israeli police. Or so i have heard claimed many times of late. Its true, these reports are coming from the usual left wing sources, but I suspect they are correct.
I have no beef with the Israelis. They are effective in their own venue. But we are in a rather different situation with the West Bank than we are here. I think American police forces have abundant experience to train other American police forces and there is no need to get training from Israelis.
That George Floyd was a bad character may be true. and Chauvin may be a bad guy too. either way, in whatever combination, if it was a valid arrest Chauvin was supposed to deliver a live arrestee and not kill him. This is simple. If the suspect is in distress you get medical help not just kneel there like it’s all good when it isnt. Why not just toss him in the car? every time I see it it looks worse to me.
moreover, none of that justifies all the looting, rioting, arson, and murder and mayhem that’s been done under excuse of his name.
Nor should cops be defunded or any of that. I despise BLM. But these issues are distinct. It is unwise to conflate them. It is the rioters that want these issues conflated.
Law and order means cops deliver live arrestees to jail and only use lethal force in defense of themselves, others, or to terminate the commission of a forcible felony. Sorry George lloyd lying cuffed on pavement was none of those. At best negligent homicide and intolerable incompetence from Chauvin that must be punished by removal from duty and appropriate charges and a due process trial.
And regardless of how that turns out, law and order to prevail. No riots if the jury makes a surprise aquittal of this sorry character Chauvin. That will be another hurdle to cross six months from now.
Kurtz– I don’t like the restraint either and I have said before I would likely have fired Chauvin on his record if it had been my choice. But the thing is, this procedure was approved by the department and likely used many times. I think the prosecution will have trouble getting past that.
Do you suppose they still have an adequate courthouse in Minneapolis for holding a trial? Wherever it is held I imagine we may see oi polloi outside screaming for a conviction. That could intimidate the jury or piss them off. Either way it is not likely to be a traditional trial. I think a hung jury is the more likely result.
Maybe he od’d. They can present evidence of it.
But the jury can still say the cops should have detected his medical distress and negligently failed to assist him thus causing his death. I think you will definitely see at least a negligent homicide conviction coming for Chauvin. Who i personally think was incompetent and I will have no problem at all if he gets 30 years in prison for this. I am not going to waste any energy defending Chauvin, his own lawyer will get paid to do it and will succeed or not. That is not my concern and my only concern is that if I ever get arrested they don’t sit on my neck like that while I am already cuffed and down. I really think it is not-smart to quibble about that.
Nonetheless however bad it may be or not, none of it provides justification for any looting, rioting, or arson whatsoever. That is all a separate issue and it is an issue of deliberate subversion and destabilization campaign orchestrated by sinister elements who want to destroy this nation.
+1
Kurtz– Of course the defense doesn’t have to prove that he od’d. All they have to do is convince someone on the jury that it is a reasonable alternative explanation for Floyd’s death other than homicide. He had a dangerous combination of drugs, he had Covid, and he had serious medical problems. Any one of those or any combination of them could have caused his death. If the jury learns of his history of criminal behavior, particularly sticking a gun into a pregnant woman’s belly, they may be well inclined to decide it is just as well he is dead and acquit.
Young, you know prior bad acts will probably be considered inadmissible both for Chauvin and also for the deceased. here is a paper that elaborates on this topic
https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/25189-ncvli-newsletter—when-prior-bad-acts-are#:~:text=Admitting%20Prior%20Bad%20Act%20Evidence%20for%20Non%2DPropensity%20Purposes&text=Evidence%20of%20other%20crimes%2C%20wrongs,person%20acted%20in%20conformity%20therewith.
Kurtz– Prior bad acts by the victim almost surely would be inadmissable and I wondered in a previous thread how I might try to get it in all the same.
If the officer takes the stand, and he probably must do if he can come across as a decent person [whether true or not ] I think it might be relevant to his sense of danger to reveal he was acquainted with the deceased and remembered how he broke into a pregnant woman’s home and poked her belly with a pistol to rob her. Thus he knew the man he was restraining was dangerous and capable of anything. “Officer, why did you think Mr. Floyd presented unusual risks?” The answer could include his knowledge of Floyd’s crimes.
Just gaming it for the fun of it, but this would be one approach. I would have others in reserve.
Probably I would make the judge mad but I wouldn’t be there to be his best friend forever.
I imagine there might be a motion in limine but that can sometimes be dealt with using a different approach.
Young – those officers should be quarantined immediately. Floyd’s death MUST be treated as a Chicom virus death, just like all the others where the Chicom virus was found with co-morbidity. Unless the State can prove Chauvin transferred Chicom virus to Floyd, everybody is Not Guilty.
That’s an interesting thought. Nobody dies of anything but the Chicom virus these days. The jury might be ready to hang a hat or two on that one. If my case I would have so many posible causes of death on the table their heads would spin. Important to try to sneak in Floyd’s disgusting criminal history. Someone might say it is prejudicial. Of course it is; that’s why I would want it.
Young – before they took him back to the SUV, one of the officers ran him. Don’t know if the results came back before they got him to the car.
Hal, I said at the time and still do say the police murdered him, but now I don’t care.
I really could care less.
He got what he deserved, and too late for when he deserved it.
Shakti, this is frustration talk, and it does not advance any strategic aim. Don’t be like a looter and toss verbal bricks out there.
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” Wells was one of the few protesters who stayed after a peaceful protest and initially defied the 8 p.m. curfew and police orders to leave.
“He got up off the steps, walked up to them and said ‘no — I’m not going to move’ and that’s when …”
Well, that settles that ! He refused to get out of the way according to his eyewitness activist freak fiend.
https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/75-year-old-man-pushed-by-buffalo-police-is-long-time-activist
LONG TIME ACTIVIST
“Gugino’s blog page says he is an Amherst resident. He says he’s been arrested at protests four times…
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A FOUR TIME LOSER.
ARRESTED FOUR TIMES.
How many times was Martin Luther King Jr arrested. You can’t fix politically stupid and I’m tired of Trump sticking his foot in his mouth.
“How many times was Martin Luther King Jr arrested. You can’t fix politically stupid and I’m tired of Trump sticking his foot in his mouth.”
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So stupid politically he won a historic election agianst “the most qualified person ever to run for President.” Hahahaha.
Mespo, Trump only won the Electoral College. He lost the Popular Vote by a margin of 2%
Right now Trump is facing a possible mutiny in his own party where Republicans might be better off distancing themselves.
This distancing thing you get from the NYT article., You are a faithful newspaper boy who always marches forth to deliver their copy on time. I hope they are paying you for your diligence. well, the ongoing century long failure of the Republican party to develop people like Seth, sure does show who’s organized and who is not.
and indeed, I have detected various people tossing this around now at friends and family. How sad that the NYT presumes to tell people who they can be friends with or not.
well, it’s getting hotter, folks will have to pick sides even more as the election proceeds. the obvious hope in the NYT is that where all the other schemes to unhorse the Donald have failed, peer pressure will succeed. it’s very cunning, and who knows, maybe it will work
or maybe it will backfire. ya never know!
You think Trump would have won without Russian help?
You do know that the DNI, the Senate Intelligence Committee, … agree that Russia worked to help elect Trump, right?
I’ll be happy to give you links to their reports about it if you want.
Vladimir Putin must be the world’s least intelligent Russian if he possibly thought that Trump was better for him than Hillary Clinton of the One Uranium deal. Yes, I think Trump would have won without Russian help. Maybe not without Comey’s help, but I don’t think that help was intended. Mabye Comey was a top secret Russian agent. Do the Russians pay you to write this stuff?
Hal to Commit– “Do the Russians pay you to write this stuff?”
I have wondered the same thing about Commit.
LMAO. Trump has done nothing but divide and weaken the United States and our alliances, not to mention deferring to Putin when Russia tried to mess with our election. Of course he’s better for Putin’s purposes. This isn’t even debatable.
I am debating it. Trump has tried to keep Western Europe less dependent on Russian natural gas. Would HRC have done that? What about encouraging fracking to drive down the world price of oil. Really good stuff for Putin. Which alliances did he weaken? Do you think Russian tanks are going into Western Europe? Do you think that Germany, France et al can invest more in their own defense or do we need to kowtow to the feelings of people who are not willing to invest in their own defense. He certainly weakened Obama’s alliance with the terror sponsor Iran, but maybe some people think that is a good thing.
In terms of dividing the United States, that was done by Obama, HRC, Schiff and all of those unwilling to accept Trump as the president and spreading lies about his having colluded with Russia and trying to tie up his administration in constant investigations. Trump’s main crime is not being willing to take it.
Trump has his flaws, but his opposition is far worse.
Commit: “You think Trump would have won without Russian help?”
Despite their best efforts they couldn’t get Hillary elected and they owed her for the American uranium she helped them buy.
The DNI’s office doesn’t agree with you that they were trying to elect Clinton: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
The bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee doesn’t agree with you that they were trying to elect Clinton: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures
But you don’t really care. You have a story that makes you more comfortable, and you’re going to stick with it.
This is one of the many differences between us: I’ll change my mind in response to valid evidence, as long as it’s not cherrypicked, whereaas you simply ignore evidence that undermines your claims.
I am not sure either of what you cite qualifies as evidence. It is opinion. Certainly not anything produced by the politicized DNI. Next you’ll be citing to Mueller’s impartial group of prosecutors. A lot of what has been uncovered has shown the garbage that was used to produce those reports. You are the unbiased one. I get it. Pravda also means truth.
Hal– What I thought too, but arguing with trolls is unappealing.
Even accepting that the Russians assisted Trump, which I don’t think they did more than they tried to help HRC, you still haven’t produced evidence that Trump would not have won without their assistance. I guess you never cherry pick evidence either even though you are predictable enough in your postings. I guess the evidence is overwhelming that your political beliefs are correct.
I didn’t claim that “Trump would not have won without their assistance.” I don’t have a burden of proof for claims I haven’t made.
Hal, Needs To Be Committed has a tendency of quoting only part of the truth and leaves out the parts he doesn’t like. He is a partisan hack that goes under a whole slew of aliases.
answer: muh mlk muh trump
LAUGHING at you
Likewise to the proponents of the Stupid Party who ignore the reason 55% of us banded together to oppose anti-Constitutionalists.
Sometimes the elderly won’t comply, just like the other activists out there. But they are more frail. We wouldn’t want to see a feisty little old lady refusing to get out of the way, getting pushed aside and then breaking a hip, either.
Of course police push protestors off of them. They can’t have a conversation with everyone and get mobbed, in some circumstances. I just think that if the person is over the age of 65, the regular pushing them back is harder on them. I’ll have to ask a couple cops I know what they do in that situation.