Barr v. Berman: Manhattan U.S. Attorney Refuses To Leave Office After Announced Replacement [Updated]

440px-William_Barr864px-Geoffrey_S._BermanAttorney General William Barr announced that Geoffrey Berman will be stepping down as the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan. That clearly came as a surprise to Berman who dashed off a blistering response that he is neither resigning nor stepping down until a replacement is confirmed by the United States Senate.  Berman could now be fired, but the move by Barr raises legitimate issues for congressional investigation since Berman has been at the forefront of the investigation into Trump associates, including an ongoing investigation into Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s business activities.  The sudden late Friday replacement only added to those concerns and Barr needs to address these questions fully and quickly.  This is a very serious matter if Berman is being canned due to his investigations, particularly given President Donald Trump’s continual criticism of those investigations. Update: As predicted, Trump has now fired Berman and Berman has agreed to leave immediately.

From the very start of his administration, President Trump has failed to respect the separation of the White House from Justice Department investigations, particularly those impacting his own interests.  Trump previously fired Preet Bharara and was conducting investigations into Trump’s business interests.  Trump has also carried out a frontal assault on our system of inspectors general.

Not only is the pattern suspicious but the timing and manner of this action is deeply concerning.  Barr announced that Berman “has done an excellent job leading one of our nation’s most significant U.S. attorney’s offices, achieving many successes on consequential civil and criminal matters.” However, he announced that the president will nominate Jay Clayton to succeed Berman.

“For the past three years, Jay has been an extraordinarily successful SEC Chairman, overseeing efforts to modernize regulation of the capital markets, protect Main Street investors, enhance American competitiveness, and address challenges ranging from cybersecurity issues to the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Berman sent out a flaming response:

“I learned in a news release from the Attorney General tonight that I was ‘stepping down’ as United States Attorney. I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate. Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption. I cherish every day that I work with the men and women of this Office to pursue justice without fear or favor – and intend to ensure that this Office’s important cases continue unimpeded.”

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Of course, Berman holds a political appointment and it is not up to him when to leave. However, he would have to be now fired if he is refusing to “step down.”  Thus, his insistence on remaining until a replacement is confirmed is only possible if Barr does not terminate him.

Barr may do so that since he also announced that Craig Carpenito, the United States Attorney in New Jersey, will serve as acting US attorney in New York. It is true that Berman was appointed by the court. However, it would raise separation of powers problems if Berman claimed he could not be fire by Trump (via Barr). For better or worse, they serve at the pleasure of the president not the court.  Berman may be arguing that the court appointment means that he can remain until a replacement is confirmed. That would trigger a novel fight over rivaling executive and judicial authority. The Supreme Court is likely to be favor Trump on his inherent authority.

That is the intriguing element.  If this were merely the replacement of an official with someone deemed better, it makes little sense to appoint an interim replacement to guarantee the immediate departure of Berman.  That again raises the question of why now and why in this fashion.

Among the most notable investigations in the Southern District is the prosecution of  two Florida businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who were close former associates of Giuliani linked to the Ukraine impeachment investigation. There are also reports that the Southern District may be investigating Giuliani’s consulting business and donations made to America First Action, the main pro-Trump super PAC as well as a related nonprofit group.

As with the Mueller investigation, Barr did not move to hamper such investigations or prosecutions. So the question is: why now?  The SDNY has been aggressively pursuing the investigations under Barr and there are no reports of political interference.  Moreover, when Barr has broken with trial-level prosecutors in cases like Flynn and Stone, he did so openly and directly with statements on the legal and factual grounds for the changes. Thus, this may be entirely unrelated to the Parnas, Fruman, and Giuliani investigations.  Indeed, there are internal investigations being completed by figures like U.S. Attorney John Berman and other issues that could have played a role in this decision.  If Barr, however, felt that such matters demand confidentiality, he must also recognize that the appearance of political influence (given the President’s past comments) demand to be addressed. It is certainly not established that there is a “purge” unfolding at the SDNY:

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I have known Bill Barr for years and testified at his confirmation hearing.  I have always known him to be a person of integrity and principle. While we disagree on subjects like executive power, he has always respected the independent role of the Justice Department and the need to protect it from political interference.  For that reason, I believe that he has been unfairly criticized for some of his actions even though I have joined in other criticisms when I felt that he was in the wrong.  I would be astonished if this action was an effort to derail investigations into Giuliani or Trump associates. We need to reserve judgment but we also need answers.

If the President wanted Berman fired, Barr would have to carry out that order or resign.  He is no Sally Yates, who improperly ordered the Justice Department not to assist the President in his original travel ban order.  Like others who disagreed with original ban, I wrote at the time that Yates should have resigned if she disagreed with the order. It is not clear if Trump ordered this firing or whether it had anything to do with Trump-related investigations. The question remains the motivation behind this action and protection of the underlying investigations.  It is possible that there was a breakdown in the working relationship between Main Justice and SDNY that is separate and distinct from these investigations.  After all, these investigations have been continuing under Barr without any reported impediment or termination.  Barr should have addressed those questions in taking this action.

This is one of the most serious allegations to arise during his tenure. Barr needs to be clear as to why he wanted to remove Berman and, most importantly, to guarantee that the underlying investigations will not be impacted by this change in leadership.  In the interim, this is a valid matter for congressional oversight in both houses. The move late on a Friday night was itself a serious mistake that only magnified the concerns over political motivations in the action.  The public has a right to be assured that this decision was made for reasons entirely separate from the underlying investigations and that those investigations will not be impeded through this action.

Update: Barr has indicated that the change will not result in any change in pending cases:

“Your statement also wrongly implies that your continued tenure in the office is necessary to ensure that cases now pending in the Southern District of New York are handled appropriately. This is obviously false. I fully expect that the office will continue to handle all cases in the normal course and pursuant to the Department’s applicable standards, policies, and guidance.”

306 thoughts on “Barr v. Berman: Manhattan U.S. Attorney Refuses To Leave Office After Announced Replacement [Updated]”

    1. The scum Bolton insults Trump for being responsive to the electorate

      The electorate was NOT interested in getting into a war in Syria– Obama resisted the bait offered to him bye CIA to get deeper into it, very wisely, and Trump resisted the push from the war factions likewise.

      Here’s Bolton punishing Trump for that.

      If you want to have Iraq War III– invade Syria. That’s what Bolton wants to do, and you guys are glorifying a war pig of the worst sort, just because he has some stories to tell on Donald, subject of your excessive enmity

      1. Agreed with most of that, Kurtz. Although I don’t glorify the war pig Bolton.

  1. Barr Gains No Traction By Firing Berman

    Ascending U.S. Attorney No Trump Loyalist

    When Attorney General William P. Barr announced Friday night that Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman would step down and the post would be filled on an interim basis by the sitting chief prosecutor in neighboring New Jersey, Justice Department veterans and legal observers were baffled.

    Why would Barr not promote Berman’s second-in-command, Audrey Strauss, as is customary while a president’s new nominee awaits Senate confirmation?

    Among the attorney general’s critics, an answer soon became evident: Berman’s departure was neither planned nor voluntary but driven by long-simmering frustrations over his office’s pursuit of investigations targeting President Trump’s interests and members of his inner circle.

    Berman’s refusal to leave quietly — he indicated a desire to ensure that “important cases continue unimpeded” — forced Barr’s hand. On Saturday the attorney general announced that plans had changed and Strauss would take charge instead while the nomination of Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Jay Clayton is pending.

    Trump ousts Manhattan U.S. attorney who investigated president’s associates

    The reversal brought an immediate and collective sigh of relief, said Samidh Guha, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the office, “as we know continuity will be ensured and none of the office’s work will be compromised.”

    Strauss, according to colleagues in the legal community, has never sought the spotlight but possesses the experience and acumen to guide the office through such an extraordinarily chaotic moment while upholding its long-standing tradition of independence in important public corruption matters. Berman, in his statement Saturday agreeing not to prolong the fight with Barr, made clear his belief that the office of more than 200 attorneys could be “in no better hands” than those of his handpicked deputy.

    Edited from: “Acting U.S. Attorney In N.Y. Will Advance Politically Sensitive Cases, Colleagues Say”

    Today’s Washington Post

    1. The “lawsuit damage control” wussy model of policing the Seattle PD is pursuing– no doubt, under orders from weak politicians– will not restore law and order.

      The citizens of Seattle must act to demand law and order.

      If they do not, then we can wall Seattle off and let “Silicon Valley” have it as a little colony of its own, since they are responsible for helping these crazies set it up in the first place.

      But “Silicon Valley” is running on a free internet for which they pay not a dime of use tax for its use of the taxpayer funded electronic infrastructure

      I say, time to a) break up the social media giants with antitrust law and fast, and b) impose a use tax on the free riding big Silicon valley companies, apple, amazon, google, etc.,

      And do what with the money? Fund UBI to everyone in equal amounts per capita.

      Which by the way is pretty much what Andrew Yang suggested. Sometimes Democrats do have good ideas! But you notice he is not on Biden’s list for anything. That’s because the really good ideas always get shuffled by them to the side, once they’ve been floated– shuffled aside.

  2. Phukk em

    Where is AOC and her courageous TikTok teens to rescue these azzwipes

    Tragic and senseless’ late-night gunfire in Uptown kills 1, wounds 11
    Dozens of shots fired in one of the city’s most violent shootings in recent history.

    By Kim Hyatt, Libor Jany and Paul Walsh

    Star Tribune JUNE 21, 2020 — 5:23PM

    Gallery: Jeff Neppl left and Megan Culverhouse employees at John Fluevog shoe store in Uptown cleaned up broken glass from a window that was hit by gunfire from an early morning shooting. Gunmen unleashed a torrent of gunfire in a crowded Uptown block early Sunday in Minneapolis, killing one person and wounding 11 others in one of the city’s most violent shootings in recent memory.

    Gunmen unleashed a torrent of bullets in a crowded block early Sunday in Minneapolis’ Uptown area, killing one person and wounding 11 others in one of the city’s most violent shootings in recent memory.

    The gunfire sent terrified bar patrons and revelers in the area, newly crowded on what for many establishments was the first weekend open after weeks of COVID-19 closings, diving for cover, unsure of what was unfolding. Bystanders and police officers rushed to help the wounded and to get people to safety.

    The victim who died was a man, police said. The 11 survivors, all adults, were scattered at area hospitals with “various severity levels of injuries,” police said.

  3. Protest police and vow to defund them….then call 911 begging for police

    ROFLOL

    Thought they don’t want the police to be involved. Should’ve asked those soy boys antifa to help y’all.

    Minneapolis…..the new Somalia

    Biden needs to choose Kamala Harris to fix this

    ROFLOL

    1. OMG! Did you say Kamala Harris – Willie’s girl??? She rented a nice white family for the election. She can’t be put off. No, no, neva, neva, uh, uh, uh!!!
      ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Kamala Harris will NEVER be eligible to be U.S. president.

      Kamala Harris’ parents were foreign citizens at the time of her birth.

      – A “citizen” could only have been President at the time of the adoption of the Constitution – not after.

      – The U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, requires the President to be a “natural born citizen,” which, by definition in the Law of Nations, requires “parents who are citizens” at the time of birth of the candidate and that he be “…born of a father who is a citizen;…”

      – Ben Franklin thanked Charles Dumas for copies of the Law of Nations which “…has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting,…”

      – The Jay/Washington letter of July, 1787, raised the presidential requirement from citizen to “natural born citizen” to place a “strong check” against foreign allegiances by the commander-in-chief.

      – Every American President before Obama had two parents who were American citizens.

      – The Constitution is not a dictionary and does not define words or phrases like “natural born citizen” as a dictionary, while the Law of Nations, 1758, did.

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      Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758

      Book 1, Ch. 19

      § 212. Citizens and natives.

      “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

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      Ben Franklin letter December 9, 1775, thanking Charles Dumas for 3 copies of the Law of Nations:

      “…I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…”

      ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      To George Washington from John Jay, 25 July 1787

      From John Jay

      New York 25 July 1787

      Dear Sir

      I was this morning honored with your Excellency’s Favor of the 22d

      Inst: & immediately delivered the Letter it enclosed to Commodore

      Jones, who being detained by Business, did not go in the french Packet,

      which sailed Yesterday.

      Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to

      provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the

      administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief

      of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen.

      Mrs Jay is obliged by your attention, and assures You of her perfect

      Esteem & Regard—with similar Sentiments the most cordial and sincere

      I remain Dear Sir Your faithful Friend & Servt

      John Jay

    1. Meanwhile, Trump has yet to disburse or even release a plan for disbursement of billions of dollars allocated for testing and tracing, months after Congress allocated the funds: https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/62120%20Schumer%20Murray%20testing%20letter%20FINAL.pdf
      There continues to be a lot of new transmission, and testing/tracing could help slow that. But Trump’s choice not to plan how to spend these funds is totally consistent with his statement last night “I said to my people: slow the testing down please.”

  4. Durham upcoming October Surprise

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-durham-probe-should-have-some-developments-this-summer

    Barr hints at ‘developments’ in Durham probe this summer
    Attorney General Bill Barr announced in an exclusive interview with Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo that Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation of the Russia probe’s origins will likely yield “developments” before summer is over, despite delays caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

    In the wide-ranging interview that aired on “Sunday Morning Futures,” Barr said that he was surprised by the overall lack of public interest in Durham’s investigation, which follows a Justice Department Inspector General report that revealed inaccuracies and omissions in applications for warrants to conduct surveillance of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

    “So that has been surprising to me, that people aren’t concerned about civil liberties and the integrity of our governmental process in terms of the future of Durham’s investigation,” Barr said. “You know, he’s pressing ahead as hard as he can. And I expect that, you know, we will have some developments hopefully before the end of the summer.”

    Barr admitted that the ongoing pandemic resulted in a delay, but that Durham has been able to continue doing some work on his investigation. He also made it clear that Durham will continue after November’s election, although he noted that “what happens after the election may depend on who wins the election.”

    Barr would not get into many details of Durham’s probe, but he did recognize that investigators are looking into the transition period following Trump’s victory in 2016, including the unmasking of Michael Flynn, who had been in contact with a Russian ambassador. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about those contacts, but has since fought back against the case, alleging FBI misconduct.

    “I would say it’s unusual for an outgoing administration, high level officials, to be unmasking very, you know, very much in the days they’re preparing to leave office,” Barr said. “Makes you wonder what they were doing.”

    The DOJ moved to dismiss Flynn’s case after evidence was unsealed, including FBI notes indicating that there was a question as to whether the bureau was trying to get the truth from Flynn when they interviewed him or hoping to get him to lie so he would face pressure from prosecution or termination.

    Judge Emmet Sullivan has so far not granted the motion to dismiss, and instead called on third parties to argue against the DOJ’s position. Barr said Sullivan has failed to be impartial in the case and should play a more neutral role in abiding by the prosecution’s decision when it comes to whether or not to continue pursuing a case.

    “Well, as I’ve said, you know, we disagree with what he’s doing. We think the law is clear that it is within the discretion of the executive, the executive branch’s function and the attorney general’s function to make charging decisions and determine whether to continue on a case,” Barr said. “And the judge is supposed to be a neutral judge on the case, not the pros… Not exercise the prosecutor’s function. So we’re hopeful that the case will be dismissed. We think that’s what the law requires.”

    Barr also came out against media outlets who have not given Russia-related developments the attention he believes they deserve.

    “It’s been stunning that all we’ve gotten from the mainstream media [is] sort of bovine silence in the face of the complete collapse of the so-called Russiagate scandal, which they did all they could to sensationalize and drive,” he said. “And it’s like not even a whoops. They are just onto the next false scandal.”

    1. Spete, no one outside Trump’s base is going to care what Durham reports. Too much has happened in the past 3 months alone. Durham’s report needed to be ready the moment Trump beat impeachment. That window has closed.

      1. Here we have the inner workings of a colossal mind revealed – The Oracle!

        Alternatively: Hysterical and incoherent wishful thinking resulting from panic.
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        “October Surprise”

        The Tenth Month Attack Made Without Warning
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        “Surprise is a sudden emotion that you experience in unexpected situations and contexts.It comes on quickly and immediately ties in with other emotions [i.e. fear, sadness, panic] that are relevant in the given situation.”

        – Grupo MContigo
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        Merriam-Webster

        OCTOBER noun

        Oc·​to·​ber | \ äk-ˈtō-bər
        \
        Definition of October

        : the 10th month of the Gregorian calendar
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        Merriam-Webster

        SURPRISE noun

        sur·​prise | \ sər-ˈprīz
        , sə- \

        Definition of surprise

        1a : an attack made without warning
        b : a taking unawares

        2 : something that surprises

        3 : the feeling caused by something unexpected or unusual

  5. Yale is linked to racism. The university should be compelled to change its name. MLK University would do. In this age of burning our vanities the name ‘Yale’ is due for the pile.

    Besides I want all those people who keep reminding me they went to Yale to have to say they went to MLK University.

    1. “Yale … university should be compelled to change its name.”

      ROFL. Compelled by whom?

        1. Dang!

          My favorite Aunt!

          If my Aunt had —-s, she’d be my Uncle!

          The next thing you know, they’ll be going after my favorite Uncle.

          They won’t stop until they’ve emasculated and eliminated every last actual American – are there any left?

          Pre-aborted, sterile, multiracial, transgender status will become a requirement for citizenship under President Dementia.

          There is a Brave New World on the horizon.

      1. You must have missed it. There are already calls from the lunatic left for Yale to change its name. Now we can see if Yale is ready to live by it’s own rules.

        1. Young, your comment here typifies every Trumper on these threads:

          “Now we can see if Yale is ready to live by it’s own rules”

          In other words, you’re not engaging in sincere discussion here. All you’re trying to is flip ‘leftist standards’ back at ‘leftists’, however vague that might be.

          Your ‘leftists’ are only cardboard cutouts presented by rightwing media. But you seek to imply that every non-Republican is somehow tied to these cardboard cutouts. This logic merely enables frivolous comments that do nothing to advance any coherent discussion.

          1. Darned right BLM is a cutout. Cutout like a shell for an inner control group, funded by another control group.

            Cutout = shell; the shell game is racketeering and fraud 101

            Maybe the DNC is a shell group, cutout too? For whom?

            I mean, is it possible that a small coterie of global captains of finance like Geo Soros call all the shots and the Hillaries and Bidens just are front men, puppets, for global plutocracy?

            Inquiring minds want to know!

        2. shotovermound quotes Ann Coulter. Surely you know that she’s not on the left. I don’t pay much attention to her, so if she’s who you’re referring to, that would explain why I “missed it.”

          My bachelors is from Brown University. You can read part of Brown’s response to its historical relationship to slavery here: https://library.brown.edu/create/firstreading2012/browns-legacy-of-slavery/
          It wouldn’t surprise me if Yale has already responded similarly, but I don’t know. It’s unsurprising that you make an unsubstantiated claim about “Yale[‘s] own rules.” Do link to the Yale rules you’re referring to.

            1. Young – right now all of SCOTUS are either graduate of Yale or Harvard. A name change would bring them some humility. 😉

              1. PCS, the next time you see the SCOTUS, teach them how to read English:

                U.S. Constitution

                Article 1, Section 8

                The Congress shall have power…

                To establish a uniform rule of naturalization,
                ___________________________________

                The willfully and deliberately corrupt and treasonous SCOTUS cannot read that DACA, an Obama executive order, is irrefutably unconstitutional and that ONLY Congress has the power to establish any and all parameters and criteria for, and any and all forms and modes of, immigration.

                1. George – even SCOTUS agreed 9-0 that DACA was illegal. They just wanted to give them time to vote in the November elections.

                  1. You are correct.

                    The SCOTUS was wrong.

                    America is lawless.

                    An act by President Trump similar to that of the SCOTUS would be for him to issue an executive order to declare a condition of rebellion, suspend Habeas Corpus, a la Lincoln, cancel the election and seize power.

                    At least it would be consistent with Lincoln’s “Reign of Terror,” FDR’s effort to induce a 13-year-long Great Depression to make his brand of communism popular and to induce the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, the Military/Security/Industrial/Mob Complex’s removal of JFK, Johnson’s totally fake Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and his War on Poverty which Poverty won but Johnson secured (bought and paid for) black votes forever, Mossad’s conspiracy to demolish the Twin Towers with controlled-demolitions using Bin-Laden’s plan in order to compel W. Bush, Jr. to invade the entire ME providing a final security solution for Israel, and the Obama Coup D’etat in America, from “spying on” and “wiretapping” Trump and filing fake FISA requests, through Mueller etc., all the way to “fake” impeachment.

                    The only course available to SCOTUS was a declaration of unconstitutionality.

                    Communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) always lose in an environment of complete, maximal freedom so they ignore the Constitution which provides it.

                    Congress must set immigration.

                    Period.

                  2. Paul,

                    Tulsa was a great test run for us all on Trump.

                    Trump should have filled that arena 5 or 6 times over & least if not more!

                    Everyone agrees DACA people are illegal

                    But Trump is to much a puzzy to load them on a bus & ship them out of the country.

                    Same thing happened about this time last year with the US census asking if you are a citizen. It’s legal to ask but the SC didn’t like the way Trump ask. WTH?

                    Trump should have just did it & said they would argue about it later.

                    Now we’re in this financial collapse, currency “resets” hiding behind a Chicom Flu that was in part built by Dr Fauci/Bill Gate @ Chapel Hill NC/Harvard etc.

                    And with the Chicom flu comes the Bill Gates mandatory Deadly Vaccine this fall with tracking…. “Mark of the Beast”

                    After thinking about it, here in Okla, the way we feel about that type govt crap, Trump was lucky after 4 years of him being a puzzy to have 6 or 7 thousand Fools show up.

                    He and the people around him seem to be idiots. The ole saying is You dance with the one that brung you.

                    Us fly over country people got him across the line last time, not DC & NYC Wallst Trash. And Trump seems to have Abandon us.

                    I still what to be hopeful he can get his head out of his azz & Fire his campaign manager, his son in law, all that DC/Wallst Trash & a bunch of his damn lawyers that keep telling yield to the corrupt SC/congress.

                    1. Oky1 – the pictures from outside the arena show more than enough people to fill the remaining seats in the arena. I think they ran into some logistic problems, helped by demonstrators who blocked the gates to the arena.

                      Did you listen to the speech? I did. I think he is on track. I do agree on the son-in-law.

                  3. Like with Trump’s inauguration event where entrances were block, at least one entrance here in Tulsa was block by Antifa/BLM Commie/Nazis.

                    (Banned.Video, Owen Shroyer vid)

                    Some may think I’m going far a field with the financial collapse, coming currency resets, the latest man made bioweapon & the coming mandatory tracking chip injection, (claimed vaccine) Many us Dr Ron Paul people have been follow this stuff since the 70′ & it’s happening now with/without Trump.

                    We just happened to swing in behind Trump after Rand Paul lost Iowa in 2016.

                    Others, myself, think now is the time to negotiate for a better deal with Trump then after the election when he doesn’t need our support.

                    One thing we need here is a non govt, (Commie) ran health care system for my wife.

                    There’s more.

                    Humor! LOL

                    https://banned.video/watch?id=5eea9c8ec7a607002f195f7b

                    1. It’s completely beyond control & so it will all crash! snake plissken might say.

                    2. OHY, YES! thanks

                      Zuboff is very smart. This message gets scant attention in national mass media, why?

                      BECAUSE THEY OWN IT AND LIE TO SUIT THEIR OWN AGENDA

                      for example jeff bezos controls Amazon dot com and he owns Washington Post

                      they don’t want to pay us for our data; they don’t want to pay for hogging the free internet and not paying a dime of use tax

                      you get the idea

        3. Young, my friends from Yale are furious as to what is happening. I am waiting for this new generation to leave school and get remedial classes from Biden as to how to live in the basement and what to do when mommy throws them out.

      2. #cancelyale is trending

        stop living in your left wing bubble

        https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/21/cancel-yale-conservatives-turn-the-tables-want-public-apology-from-ivy-league-univ-over-slave-trader-name-937156

        Take Yale University, a 319-year-old left-wing Ivy League institution that, according to renowned conservative commentator Ann Coulter, deserves to be canceled, pronto.

        In a column published last Wednesday, she argued in favor of “a bill withholding all federal funds from Yale University until it changes its name” because “[t]he school’s namesake, Elihu Yale, was not only a slave owner, but a slave trader.”

        “Quite a dilemma for the little snots who attend and teach there! It will be tremendously damaging to their brand. After all, true sublimity for a Social Justice Warrior is virtue signaling and advertising their high SAT scores at the same time,” she sarcastically added.

        1. Shot– Thanks! Love it! The shills here truly are ignorant. They know only what they are fed and even that for only a few minutes.

      3. There is a recent precedent. The once illustrious Boalt Hall has been renamed The Law Building.

        Now puffed up egos can boast of graduating from The Law Building rather than from Boalt Hall.

        1. Re: people “boast[ing] of graduating from The Law Building rather than from Boalt Hall,” LOL that you confuse the building name with the law school name. UC Berkeley School of Law grads didn’t ever graduate from “Boalt Hall,” and they don’t graduate from “The Law Building” now.

          And anyone who is interested can read about the process that led to Boalt Hall being renamed and why:
          https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/01/30/boalt-hall-denamed/

          Do your errors of fact and reasoning come from ignorance, or are they instead purposeful dishonesty?

          1. You wouldn’t know graduates from there often say they graduated from Boalt Hall, even seen it on resumes. But, again, you wouldn’t know.

            1. Of course I know that. The law school at UCB used to be named “Boalt Hall School of Law.” Cal changed the name in 2008. I said “UC Berkeley School of Law grads didn’t ever graduate from ‘Boalt Hall,’” referring specifically to the students who’ve attended/graduated under the current name, UC Berkeley School of Law. The students who graduated when it was “Boalt Hall School of Law” are obviously going to use the name of the school they graduated from, and changing the name of the building obviously has no effect on that. Don’t project your lack of knowledge onto me.

          2. Boalt said something racist so his name is chiseled from the building and expunged from the university.

            Yale actually engaged in the slave trade. Surely by this standard the university should change its name to something less racist, like MLK. A plagiarist is a good name for the school. Which was my point; what is good for Boalt Hall is good for Yale. Possibly you can see that.

            Yale must fall. Don’t go mealy mouthed now.

        2. Young, maybe the pot will boil and the frog will jump, now, at the last second

          that is if the big shots like all the yalies on scotus get hot feet

          but don’t count on it. some genies are hard to get back into the bottle

          they uncorked a destabilization campaign that shows little abatement, and it may never stop until it eats enough of its own. that’s how they usually lose steam and peter out and then along comes Napoleon and he really nails the coffin shut

          trump is no napoleon. i think our future American napoleon is out there, maybe 4-8 years out, tops. odds are, he will be a Democrat. and he will mouth all the slogans they like but then clean house with extreme prejudice. of course, who know who he will crush once he starts in on “Thermidorian reaction.”

          1. Kurtz – I suspect you are right, and I am almost hoping for it. If it takes a heavy boot heel to stop the chaos then I might support it. That is very far from my natural inclination so if I am thinking along those lines I imagine other law and order types are as well. I am enjoying it when leftist people like Kimmel and leftist universities like Yale feel the monster they helped create bite them in the rear.

      4. Woodrow Wilson name removed from building at Monmouth University and Camden will change a school from Wilson to something else.

        Yale must fall!

  6. “From the very start of his administration, President Trump has failed to respect the separation of the White House from Justice Department investigations, particularly those impacting his own interests. ”
    Wow, maybe if the Justice Department cared about justice this would be a coherent statement. No “Wingman” for the GOP, just constant attacks from “The Justice Department” against the millions who voted for the return of manufacturing, border security, energy independence! How many “Justice Department” personnel donated to the GOP?

  7. To those here who say that Biden cares more about people than Trump because Biden has smaller rallies, might I point out this very cogent point.
    ———
    Top Tips for Dementia Caregiving

    1. Avoid crowded and noisy places.

    Loud or startling noises can further confuse or frustrate someone living with dementia. Instead, prioritize smaller and more low-key events that won’t add to confusion or stress.

    https://www.alzheimers.net/12-15-14-dementia-caregiving-holidays/
    —————

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

      1. PCS, I was thinking Biden is never going to attend the debates. Alternatively, a moderator, such as Donna Brazile, will agree to “appropriate” “hiatusess” or “comfort breaks” to allow Biden time to recover, in so far as that is possible.

    1. Based on speech, difficulty retaining information, … Trump seems more likely to have dementia than Biden, so your comment suggests Trump may be harming himself by holding noisy rallies.

      1. Commit– That comment suggests you have dementia. You probably don’t, by why pretend you do?

        1. You resort to insult because you have no good argument. The more often you do it, the more you demonstrate the weakness of your positions, along with either an unwillingness or inability to control your desire to insult.

      2. Commit: “Trump seems more likely to have dementia than Biden”

        That’s the part that shows you are having cognitive problems. Friendly polls show even Democrats are worried about Biden’s mental status. Biden’s problems are so obvious that only a shill or someone with his own dementia could fail to acknowledge the evidence.

        It seems I was being generous in thinking you were only a shlll.

        1. Go ahead and produce a poll that asked about dementia for both Trump and Biden, and let’s see what people say about both.

          Re: “Biden’s problems are so obvious …,” are you referring to his lifelong efforts combating a stutter? Stuttering isn’t dementia, and Biden’s speech is still better than Trump’s, when Trump doesn’t have a stutter to overcome.

          Your ongoing insults only demonstrate your ongoing difficulty coming up with a good argument and controlling your anger.

          1. Google Biden dementia poll and you will get a link to a Zogby poll saying a majority of likely voters believe Biden is in the early stages of dementia.

            Not at all hard to find articles suggesting much of the same. The obvious can be avoided only if you are a willfully ignorant shill or a victim of dementia yourself. I usually pass over your and book’s comments as being a total waste of time but some are so fatuous they beg for ridicule.

            1. Again: produce a poll that asked about dementia for both Trump and Biden, and let’s see what people say about both.

              You’ve attempted to deflect to a poll that didn’t ask about both.
              I think you’re smart enough to know the meaning of “both.” It’s elementary school reading vocabulary.

            2. Commit has bern running from Alachua County Mental Health Court for years. Someone tipped them off that he is on here running various sockpuppets and now they will nab him

              🤪

              http://www.sao8.org/mental.html

              Alachua County Mental Health Court

              Referrals into the program my be made sua sponte by any Court, by Court Services, by the Forensic Programs Director at the Alachua County Jail, the State Attorney, the defense attorney, law enforcement, mental health providers, or any other interested person.

              1. Thank you Alli! I suspected something like that. True derangement in the back history.

              2. Alli, he is still locked up in the institution but they permit a couple of his personalities out at a time.

          2. Poll: Hillary will be Madame President in spite of her “extensive” experience in “fighting for us”

            bwahahahahahaha

    1. American hating Fed judge Amy Berman Jackson that’s attacking Trump supporters, like Roger Stone.

      Is this Berman related, a brother?

  8. Jonathan, you need to re-examine the man you think William Barr. His recent actions seem nakedly corrupt. He literally made up a man’s resignation.

    1. He thought Berman would be sane enough to step down with decorum. I am sure he was astonished and indignant when Berman publicly refused. As I said before the remedy was easy. Ask Trump to fire the moron and, Bob’s your uncle, the moron is fired.

  9. https://sg.news.yahoo.com/further-us-lockdowns-not-needed-fauci-tells-afp-001829429.html

    Further US lockdowns not needed, Fauci tells AFP

    AFP News

    ‘I don’t think we’re going to be talking about going back to lockdown,’ Anthony Fauci said when asked whether places like California and Texas that are seeing a surge in their caseload should reissue stay-at-home orders
    The United States does not require more widespread lockdowns to get its COVID-19 outbreak under control, despite the fact that the national daily infection rate is not showing signs of decline, leading government expert Anthony Fauci told AFP in an interview Thursday.

    “I don’t think we’re going to be talking about going back to lockdown,” he said when asked whether places like California and Texas that are seeing a surge in their caseload should reissue stay-at-home orders.

    “I think we’re going to be talking about trying to better control those areas of the country that seem to be having a surge of cases.”

    The US leads the world in the number of confirmed infections and in deaths — with the fatality toll approaching 120,000.

    But while former epicenters New York and New Jersey have succeeded in controlling their outbreaks, the virus is now increasing in 20 states — creating a plateau in the national case graph.

    Fauci stressed a localized approach would be required as the country takes further steps to return to normal — including on the crucial question of when to reopen schools.

    “Counties where there are certainly no cases at all, there’s no problem with the schools opening,” he said.

    “There are other parts where there’s a modest amount of infection (where) you may delay school openings.

    “And there are other parts of the country where there’s minimum infection, where you want to make some modification of the process, namely: alternate days, morning versus afternoon, seating people apart from each other wearing masks.”

    Fauci, who has led America’s response to every major epidemic since the outbreak of AIDS in the 1980s, said one thing that bothered him was a lack of compliance to authorities’ recommendations about wearing masks.

    “We have a country where even when the recommendations are to wear a mask, a recommendation that I’ve been involved in making, there are some groups that actually do the recommendations very strictly and they adhere to it.

    “And then… you see pictures of people in bars and in congregations without that. So again, it’s a mixed bag. Some people are doing it fine, and some are not.”

  10. Jonathan: I think you have reached a new low in defending your good friend William Barr. Since his appointment Barr revealed himself to be Trump’s personal lawyer–not the independent chief law enforcement officer of this country. Barr began his appointment by white washing the Mueller report. Then he moved on to unjustifiably intervene in the Roger Stone and Michael Flynn cases. Now he is attempting to prevent John Bolton from publishing he “kiss and tell” book that paints Trump in a very unfavorable light. Barr’s latest target is Geoffrey S. Berman, Manhattan’s top federal prosecutor. Why? Did Berman engage in ethical misconduct, sexual harassment of department employees or violate department guidelines? Nope. Berman was investigating cronies of Donald Trump–including Rudy Guiliani’s business dealings. That was good enough for Trump to want Berman removed. So Barr has carried out his bosses’s orders.

    Trump/Barr have completely gutted the independence of the Justice Department. And what is your response? “I have known Bill Barr for years” and “have always known him to be a person of integrity and principle”. Really? Hate to burst your bubble but Barr has no “principles” or “integrity”. He only serves the personal interest of Donald Trump. And how could you say with a straight face, Jonathan, that “I would be astonished if this action was an effort to derail investigations into Guiliani or Trump’s associates”. Get real! That is what this is all about!

    1. Dennis:
      Patently false assertions or unlettered opinions abound with you, but what makes you think the DOJ is independent of the Executive Branch? Not in the Constitution. Moroni give it to you?

    2. Shortly before departing for a rally in Tulsa, Mr. Trump told reporters he was “not involved” in the situation. –Ok, so if the President denies that this was his decision, then who’s was it? It’s either Trump or Barr or a completely dysfunctional Justice department that would nevertheless inplicate both Trump AND Barr.

  11. In the absence of all the facts, we need to reserve judgment, and give the AG the benefit of the doubt regarding personel decisions in his agency. So far, Attorney General Barr has been a breeze of fresh air in a Justice Department remarkable for broken moral compasses. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I am assuming that AG Barr had good reasons for releasing Mr. Berman from his post.

      1. Well, that’s because you lack focus to keep up with every one else.

        Maybe you should take up a new hobby, gardening or something else productive & suited for an American Hating Communist. IE: Forced Labor.

          1. Cindy, I’m very close, wanted to go, but wife has a pre- existing condition, so no. And I was trying hard not to let it known I was ticked. The risk to her/us wasn’t worth it.

            Infowars crew made it up from Austin… with their battle tank. They needed it as some Antifa/BLM Commie Terrorist came in from out of town causing trouble.

            I think Trump might have finally heard his strongest supporters. I think he’s got to fire plenty more poorly qualified people inside his administration..

            Trump’s campaign manger promised many people/outfits banned by Google/Twitter/ Apple/FB he & the Trump team would call down the sec 230 Law against them. Not a damn thing yet.

            Lots of video from Tulsa/Trump @ Banned.Video.

            1. Oky…….I’m sorry……..of course, your wife could not go, bless her heart.
              I thought it was a success considering everything. At least, the campaign is back! That is unbelievable Tulsa let the
              thugs in……I haven’ been to Tulsa in 30 yrs, so I didn’t recognize anything. I worried all week that tge thugs were going to shoot someone….

              1. I also was very happy most people of North Eastern Oklahoma were very well behaved & restrained.

                So it was a success & Tulsa area people can be proud we had a very important guest & we didn’t allow the Commie/Nazi types to burn our town down as so many other towns have been.

                Believe me, I was calling/warning in “March” our politicians to get ready for trouble & block it, ( Oil crash because of the Chicom Flu). And they did block trouble it seems!!!

                I hope you, your husband & your family are doing well.

                I pray everyday multiple times for us all.

                In a little over a month we’re back into the cancer stuff. We don’t know how things will go or how we’ll react. LOL;) Everybody knows at some point it’s all of our time on stage.

                BTW: In the ole days in Tulsa a guy could legally strap on his gun belt with two six shooters & go down to Tulsa county court house & talk to the judge about a problem & work out some sort of deal.

                I forgot the name of the guy that did that, I thought it funny, but it was much different then.

            2. Over 119,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, and last night Trump said “When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people. You’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people slow the testing down please.” He doesn’t want everyone who’ s infected to be found, he wants testing slowed. Why? Because he’s a raging narcissist who worries about how the numbers reflect on him and not about the people who are infected or dying. If he weren’t a raging narcissist, perhaps he’d have done a better job controlling the spread of the disease in the U.S. More people have now died of COVID-19 than died in WWII. If Trump weren’t a raging narcissist, he wouldn’t be having an indoor rally that puts people at risk for spreading the coronavirus.

              Last night, he also called the coronavirus the “Kung flu” (a term about which Kellyanne Conway had previously said “that’s highly offensive” and “of course it’s wrong”).

              I hope you understand that Trump doesn’t care if your wife dies from COVID-19, except in terms of it making his “numbers” bad.

              1. Sorry, I’d only meant to bold “slow the testing down please.” I wish Turley were using a commenting system that allowed edits.

                1. Typical leftist. You can’t stop complaining even when the complaint is about something given to you for free.

              2. You are an idiot that doesn’t bother to think about what is being said. Numbers have risen, but for the most part the rise is due to increasing testing and the fact that we no longer are testing the most vulnerable. The death rate is falling. The median age of the positive group is in the 30’s a group that the virus doesn’t easily hurt. A very large percentage of the death rate came from the stupidity of a few Democratic leaders and was enhanced by mixing Covid + patients with the most vulnerable in nursing homes.

                Trump cares but you don’t care who dies as seen in your support for those leaders that are responsible for thousands of youthful deaths every year mostly black and in the inner cities. Cities like Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit. Add to that your contempt for human lives of blacks. You consider pregnancy a disease that needs to be surgically removed from the human body. I am not talking about pregnancy in the early months where there can be a lot of honest debate.

                Trump’s job in fighting Covid has been good, not perfect, but there was no way with the opposition from Democrats and people of your ilk to improve the situation. The Democrat and your interest was political with no concern for life and that continues to this day.

              3. CTHD, regarding Trump’s statement about slowing the testing down, I thought it was incredibly stupid. I mean, he could have just said that finding more cases is an expected result of testing more people and left it at that.

          2. BTW:

            Where Trump spoke the area is locked in up against expressways. not many ways in or out.

            Tulsa Mayor/Tulsa PD were mostly responsible for security with area LE assisting their lead.

            As it looks now the Mayor/TPD chief allowed out of town antifa/BLM Commie/Fascist types to flank the Trump rally & come from the south that headed them north right though unaware Trump supporters as the were leaving the BOK arena.

            The same Crap called Kettling the Commie/Dem Gov/LE did in Charlottesville Va that got someone killed, others injured. Ran opposing groups right through the middle of each other.

            We’ll see.

        1. Oky you jo, I don’t hate America, including Oklahoma. You on the other hand, along with many righties on this board have oft expressed your hatred of fellow Americans, states, and cities. You’re the American hater and should hit the road and gtf out.

          1. You seem upset that your arguments that Berman couldn’t be fired were the b.s. I said they were.

            1. I said the legal argument was complex and could take time. Berman negotiated that legal fight away in exchange for Barr backing up on his replacement and accepting Berman’s choice.

              1. “The legal argument could take time.”

                24 hours is not generally thought to be a lot of time in the legal world.

                You have no idea what was involved. I don’t think Barr, Trump or Berman sought your input.

                You actually think Berman negotiated to be humiliated and fired in lieu of being promoted to a better job?

                If so he really was too incompetent to be trusted with any office.

                1. Yeah, I’m sure Berman will be pining for that big federal pay check every month.

                  Berman didn’t want the DC position.

                  1. Book: “Berman didn’t want the DC position.”

                    And he found such a clever way to decline it. Declare publicly that it is legally impossible for him to get fired and then gets fired within 24 hours. Legal genius?

                    1. “[Berman] found such a clever way to decline it. Declare publicly that it is legally impossible for him to get fired”

                      Berman didn’t say that. You’re either ignorant (if you’re making that false claim by mistake) or lying (if you’re purposefully making that false claim).

                    2. He didn’t say that. He said Barr couldn’t fire him and forced him to honor his choice of successor while Barr and Trump looked like the Keystone Kops.

                      Berman recedes from the national stage – and probably on to much more lucrative private practice, from which he came – and Barr is left as the AG who didn’t know what he was doing and was played.

                    3. Young, it’s amazing how weeds are able to live on BS. These two ignorant leaves from the same weed not only live off of BS but are able to produce it. They specialize in half-truths failing to recognize that that doubling down creates double the lie instead of the truth.

                    4. Allan– You called it. From these comments one would scarcely guess that they were recently telling us that Berman had the upper hand and couldn’t be fired because he was appointed by a judge and the Senate had to confirm his successor before anybody could make Berman leave. Neither is honest in discussion. Neither actually knows much. All hot air and no balloon.

                    5. Thanks Young. The split personality believes that if a 40 grade is given for each the total grade is 80. What fools. I think my last dog had more innate intelligence than those two personalities combined and he knew how to behave.

                    6. Young, you claim “they were recently telling us that Berman had the upper hand and couldn’t be fired because he was appointed by a judge and the Senate had to confirm his successor before anybody could make Berman leave,” but you’re don’t include any quotes to substantiate your claim.

                      I dare you to quote me saying what you allege.
                      You’re not going to be able to, because that’s not what I actually said.
                      I doubt that it’s what btb said either, and you haven’t quoted him either.

                      How ironic that you claim “Neither is honest in discussion” in a comment where you post false allegations about me. Also ironic that you claim “Neither actually knows much.”

                      Unfortunately, it’s totally unsurprising that you continue to insult.

          2. Hell yeah you Commie/Nazi Aholes Hate American.

            1st, Your side is funded by an admitted Nazi Collaborator, billionaire George Sores. There are other billionaires funding other Anti American crap. Bill Gates’ & Fauci’s Kong Flu/ChiCom Flu crap..

            2nd, just in the last week you & your trash torn down a Thomas Jefferson & a George Washington statue, among much more damage to our country.

            There’s much more…

            Point being your side has already lost the American people & all your side has left is riots & massive voter fraud.

            Thankfully there’s been only a few shootings so far.

            1. Soros was not a “Nazi Collaborator.”
              https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17405784/george-soros-not-a-nazi-trump
              Don’t like Vox? There are plenty of other fact checks about this. Why would you choose to believe something that’s false?

              “your side has already lost the American people”

              Nope. A majority of Americans support the protests against police abuse and disapprove of Trump (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo ).

              1. Committ Oky hates most Americans, so saying they don’t like Trump is irrelevant to him.

              2. What was George Soros’s relationship to the Nazi’s in WW2?

                George Soros was not sorry for “helping in the confiscation of property from the Jews”

                “There was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets–that if I weren’t there–of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the–I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt”.

                See 60 minutes interview.

  12. Axios:

    PHOTOS: Hundreds have gathered in Tulsa for President Trump’s first rally since the coronavirus pandemic began

  13. Meanwhile, Trump’s speech to the overflow crowd outside in Tulsa is cancelled because … there is no overflow crowd. And the BOK Center isn’t full either. So much for the million ticket requests.

    Also, “6 members of President Trump’s campaign staff who were in Tulsa, Oklahoma, to set up for the president’s campaign rally tested positive for the coronavirus.” “Trump, who was made aware of the sick campaign aides before departing for the rally, was incensed that the news was made public, according to two people familiar with his reaction.” I hope the rally doesn’t result in too many people becoming sick. It’s good that it’s not packed with people inside. If they’re smart, people will spread out in the arena.

    1. Trump has more supporters in one arena bathroom in Tulsa than Biden got in entire his PA gym rally. So get a grip.

      1. “Trump Rally Fizzles As Crowd Size Falls Short of Campaign’s Expectations”

        “Mr. Trump’s attempt to revive his re-election bid sputtered badly as he traveled to Tulsa for his first mass rally in months but found a small crowd and delivered a disjointed speech.”

        “Many of the arena’s 19,000 seats remained empty as President Trump spoke .-Credit…Doug Mills/The New York Times”

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/us/politics/tulsa-trump-rally.html

        1. Anon–This morning AOC and media outlets are gloating that the empty seats were due to teenagers who have been taught to hate Trump reserving thousands of seats online so others who actually wanted to attend could not go. You should be proud. Your people are raising up those kids just right. Keep teaching them to lie and cheat and that America is evil and they’ll end up just like you and the incredibly weak and feckless office holders you so proudly elect.

          1. There were unlimited tickets – over 1 million sent out according to the campaign. The only thing the teens affected was the high expectations sold by the administration, not the empty seats.

            Bad teens! Don’t don’t do that again!

            1. Show us some pictures of Joe Biden’s last rally for comparison.

              I think there was only 3 people were there & 2 of them were reporters.

              1. Imagine that: Biden cares more about Americans than Trump does, so Biden is not packing people together at an indoor rally. You already said that you didn’t go to Trump’s rally because your wife is in a high risk group. It baffles me that you want *other* people to put themselves at risk by attending a packed indoor rally that facilitates coronavirus transmission. Shame on you.

                1. What a hypocrite. It’s OK to riot and loot in large numbers. This guy lacks the brain power to recognize that the virus spreads in a consistent manner so looters and arsonists are not immune.

              2. Groundhog Joe comes up intermittantly from his basement to let everyone know thet the election season isn’t over.

            2. This is a Democrat who admits to raising children that tear things down rather than building them up. You make yourself sound like a lousy parent.

          2. If you’re concerned about someone teaching people to lie and cheat, you should be concerned about Trump, the country’s most powerful liar and cheater.

            And bythebook is correct that there were an unlimited number of tickets (as contrasted with seats), so it’s literally impossible that any teens prevented anyone who wanted a ticket from getting one, much less did they prevent anyone from attending. Nor did AOC say that they prevented anyone from attending. She told Brad Parscale that teens “flooded the Trump campaign w/ fake ticket reservations & tricked you into believing a million people wanted your white supremacist open mic enough to pack an arena during COVID.”

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