Seattle City Council Member Suggests Firing White Officers In Massive Reduction Of Police Department

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The Seattle City Council is facing something of a dilemma in its popular pledge to cut the police budget by 50 percent. To do so would require firing a significant number of police officers, which is also popular. The problem is that the firing would be done by seniority and many of the less senior officers are black.  The solution according to City Council member Lisa Herbold is simple: fire officers based on their race.  While that would be the definition of racial discrimination, Herbold clearly believes that it is discrimination for a good cause. The federal courts are likely to disagree.  Most notably, Herbold’s call for racial discrimination against white officers would seek to undue the work of Justice Thurgood Marshall who insisted that racial discrimination unlawful and evil regardless of the race you want to disenfranchise or discriminate against.

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best released a video calling the plan of Herbold and others “completely reckless.” She also sent a letter to Mayor Jenny Durkan warning that dramatic cuts would require the layoff of hundreds of officers. The Police Department also warned that the firings would include many minority officers.


It was only the last risk that concerned Herbold who promptly suggested discriminating on the basis of race:


Herbold insists that this would be perfectly legal despite the prohibitions under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

What concerns me most is not that such calls for racial discrimination are possibly constitutional but that they are so clearly popular.

The EEOC amplifies this point on its website: “It is unlawful to discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race or color in regard to hiring, termination, promotion, compensation, job training, or any other term, condition, or privilege of employment.”

In taking this position, Herbold is opposing one of the best known opinions by Thurgood Marshall. In McDonald v. Santa Fe Trail Transportation Co. (1976), Justice Thurgood Marshall wrote opinions that called for the broad interpretation of Title VII to protect everyone. In McDonald, two white employees were fired after a theft in the business.  The two white employees were held jointly and severally liable with a black employee. However, only the white employees were fired.  After they sued under Title VII, Marshall wrote for the majority in denouncing such discrimination against white employees, insisted that “racial discrimination in private employment against whites [must be] on the same terms as racial discrimination against nonwhites.”  He denounced “the illogic in retaining guilty employees of one color while discharging those of another color.”  While Marshall would vigorously support affirmative action (including his dissent in Bakke), he believed that all races were protected from discrimination under federal law.

This of course would be even more egregious since Herbold wants to fire white officers due to their race alone.  They would not be accused of any wrongdoing or failure.  The problem is their race.

It is notable that is not an action that is part of or in furtherance of a valid affirmative action plans ordered by a court or approved by a federal agency. See United Steelworkers of America v. Weber (1979) and Johnson v. Transportation Agency (1987). In Ricci v. DeStefano (2009), the Supreme Court ruled against the city of New Haven after a group of white firefighters and a hispanic firefighter challenged the refusal to certify the results of promotion exams in order to promote black firefighters who performed less well.  The Court held that the City’s refusal to certify the test was unlawful discrimination under Title VII. If found that “race-based action like the City’s in this case is impermissible under Title VII unless the employer can demonstrate a strong basis in evidence that, had it not taken the action, it would have been liable under the disparate-impact statute.”

Herbold would not only refuse to promote on the basis of race but would fire officers on that basis.  No test. Just a pure racially discriminatory program of terminations.  Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1 (2007), Chief Justice John Roberts once declared “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”  That is clearly not the plan of Herbold and any of her colleagues who want to fire officers based on their race.


366 thoughts on “Seattle City Council Member Suggests Firing White Officers In Massive Reduction Of Police Department”

    1. Yeah let’s start with all the white members of the city council..

    1. Frankly, if I were a white police officer in Seattle, I’d beat Lisa Herbold to the punch. I’d be out of there and down the road, yesterday.
      I’d take a job in a smaller, saner, quieter town.
      Why do the officers hang on? Must be pensions. I can’t think of any other reason.
      And if this is taking any of them by surprise, they haven’t been paying attention.

  1. sooooooo the only way to ‘end racism’ is to be MORE racist?

  2. Can there be doubt anymore that the hard left in this country is tacking dangerously close to a totalitarian mindset a la Stalinism and Nazism? We have the glorification of violence in the streets, the chilling of free speech through acts of intimidation and retribution, ceaseless false propaganda employing the “big lie”, the appropriation of public policy decisions to mob rule, the desire to establish “enlightened” government-imposed diktat over individual liberty, and now the advocacy of blatant racism against those who, in their view, fully deserve such enmity. I very much hope I am wrong, but the more I see, the more difficult it is to distinguish this phenomenon from what took place in prior totalitarian regimes in the Soviet Union and Germany.

    1. Councilwoman Herbold should also propose that all white council members resign as a sign of solidarity.
      Of course this too is equally absurd. It begs the question, where does it end?

      1. This is literally the definition of racism…the same racism that the Left accuses anyone who just *opposes* their views of white priviledge, cultural appropriation, system racism and all the other Marxist thought they a pushing…

      2. Not so absurd actually. Great idea! I suggest that she give up her position to a black person and see how many follow her example.

        1. Or maybe give it up because she is a woman and needs to stay in the kitchen

      3. Historically this kind of blatant racism ends only when good people stop evil people from filling mass graves. Are we really going to wait that long this time century?

    2. “Can there be doubt anymore that the hard left in this country is tacking dangerously close to a totalitarian mindset . . .?”

      I think they are already there.

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