The NY Attorney General’s Effort To Dissolve The NRA For Self-Dealing Is A Self-Indictment

National_Rifle_Association_official_logo.svgBelow is my column in the Hill newspaper on the effort of New York Attorney General Letitia James to forced the dissolution of the National Rifle Association (NRA). The decision of James to seek the clearly unwarranted dissolution of the nation’s largest gun rights organization is consistent with her past politicalization of office. The case itself is important and raises serious questions of excessive spending by officers of the NRA. While there are other organizations that have not received this level of attention over spending, the record of the NRA is worthy of scrutiny and possible injunctive relief. However, James undermined the credibility of the case by demanding dissolution to pander to Democratic voters. It is all too familiar to those of us who have criticized James in the past for her use of the office for political grandstanding.

Here is the column:

440px-Ambrose_Burnside_-_retouchedIt is for the best that Ambrose Burnside is not alive, as New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a complaint seeking, among other things, the dissolution of the National Rifle Association. For the hapless Burnside, it is one final indignity. Widely ridiculed as an unimaginative Union Army commander in the Civil War, Burnside has only two lasting legacies. First, his facial hair was so prominent that others would sport what would later be called sideburns. Second, he was the first president of the NRA in the 19th century. Now James wants to leave him with only his whiskers.

Her complaint alleges lavish spending by officers, most notably executive vice president Wayne LaPierre. The list includes hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on himself, his wife, family, and friends. It runs from petty to gross, such as gifts from Neiman Marcus, golf memberships, and private jets. When figures like former president Oliver North decided to side with NRA whistleblowers, they were forced out. The NRA has reportedly spent an obscene $100 million on legal fees and the related costs alone.

If there is any hope for the legacy of Burnside, it comes from James. While she claims the NRA has been smeared with self dealing by its leaders, the same complaint could be leveled against her record as attorney general. I previously criticized her for inserting politics into her state office. She ran on the pledge to prosecute Paul Manafort, former campaign manager for Donald Trump. James had not only used the prosecution of an unpopular individual for her own gain but sought to gut the New York constitutional protection against double jeopardy. The case was then dismissed.

James would later call the NRA a “terrorist organization,” a claim which is common among internet trolls, but this was the top New York prosecutor engaging in legal trolling. That is what makes the NRA complaint a tragic irony. If taking power to benefit yourself rather than your organization is the measure, the complaint is a self-indictment. James’ demand to dissolve the NRA in order to pander to voters undermines the case presented by her office. While dissolution is simply absurd, James shows us absurdity and popularity can often move hand in hand in New York politics.

Many organizations have suffered dubious spending by officers, ranging from political parties to nonprofits to universities. None were disbanded. Union and religious leaders are often accused of lavish spending on their travel or other job perks. Few have been prosecuted. The National Action Network of Al Sharpton paid him more than $1 million in compensation in 2018 and another $500,000 for rights to his life story. While it is based in New York, James has not tried to dissolve it or other organizations.

Other cases seeking dissolution undermine the case against the NRA. Five years ago, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman tried to dissolve the National Children Leukemia Foundation after finding that 1 percent of around $10 million in donations went to cancer victims, including almost no money spent on its “Make a Dream Come True” program. Its president turned out to be a felon who ran the organization out of his basement. A settlement was reached and the charity was voluntarily shut down.

The NRA is not run out of a basement, and it spends large sums of money on its firearms lobbying and training programs. It is, by any measure, one of the most successful advocacy groups in our history. It has more than 5 million members and is the largest and most influential gun rights organization in the world. Whatever complaints can be raised over the spending habits of its officers, the NRA is undoubtedly a successful enterprise. Indeed, many lawmakers have denounced its influence in Washington, since low scores from the NRA can mean defeat for politicians who face close races.

James is not disregarding the implications of a Democratic official seeking to destroy one of the most powerful conservative groups in the country in an election year. By contrast, she seems to revel in that image. She knows liberals are thrilled by the idea of disbanding the NRA. She is now revered as a hero by those who view no problem in her past declaring the group a terrorist organization and now trying to dissolve the group as a fraudulent organization. It has been a political campaign in search of lawful rationale for years, however, the allegation is not as important as the target.

Those same political supporters, of course, would be justifiably outraged by any clear action of the administration to dissolve liberal organizations such as Planned Parenthood. Misconduct or crimes by its officers would not leave it as a criminal enterprise. Like the NRA, Planned Parenthood is one of the most effective groups defending a constitutional right.

Trying to dissolve an organization engaged in political speech should not occur absent overwhelming proof that it is a criminal enterprise, which is why this has never happened with a group like the NRA. James may point to the voluntary dissolution of the Donald Trump Foundation, a small and mostly inactive nonprofit, or the dissolution of Ku Klux Klan groups in the 1940s, but there is little comparison with the NRA in these cases.

Many liberals celebrating the lawsuit against the NRA condemned Trump for trying to declare the radical movement antifa a terrorist organization. They were as right then as they are wrong now. I recently testified for the Senate to oppose such a designation for antifa. While I have been a vocal critic of antifa and its tactics, it is a dangerous power for the government to openly wield against organizations engaged in political speech.

Burnside will always have facial hair as his lasting legacy. James is turning hers into something much more menacing. It is not that she will succeed in such raw political demands that is the concern. It is that so many want her to succeed in dissolving a national advocacy group in this country.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.

113 thoughts on “The NY Attorney General’s Effort To Dissolve The NRA For Self-Dealing Is A Self-Indictment”

  1. by the way., for people who follow the NRA, the news of Wayne Lapierre’s cabal misusing NRA funds is not new

    Neal Knox a former Board member, deceased, warned about Wayne a long time ago.

    Last year:

    Nonetheless, the NY AG is opportunistically attacking NRA with excessive asked-for remedies, to destroy the lawful organization and harm the membership and our nation and its cherished institution of private firearms ownership. the Democrats are tyrants and want to disarm Americans, at this critical moment, when the mob actions and riots make it clear we need them now more than ever.

  2. I enjoy this blog because a lot of intelligent people write on it and I learn things I did not know and sometimes get corrected on things I think I know. But there also are a group of people who write on this blog whose motivation for being here is a mystery to me. For example, instead of discussing whether an AG has any interest in a charity (of course the AG does by most states’ laws) or whether an obviously political use of that office has long term bad effects (of course it does) these writers make idiotic remarks like Svelaz that do nothing but demonstrate the paucity of his or her intellect. What’s the point?

    1. Should an AG have any interest in a charity ?

      Obviously those who contribute to a charity can claim fraud and challenge the Charity, and they can ask the AG to prosecute.

      But the AG should have no power to investigate on their own, and no power to do anything beyond remedy fraud.

      If people wish to contrubute to a fraudulent charity – like the Clinton Foundation, that is their business.

  3. Looters! Can be shooters!
    What kiiinnnd if looters are shooters?
    Fat kids, skinny kids, …kids who climb on rocks.
    Fat kids, whinny hide, even dudes with chicken pox.

  4. At a time when the New York State Attorney General is not responsive to the legitimate consumer complaints that it receives from residents of New York, this litigation is a colossal waste of taxpayer money. In an effort to oppose a new regulation promulgated by the United States Securities and Exchange Commission last year, AG James led a group of seven states and the District of Columbia in a lawsuit against the Commission. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the various states lacked standing to bring the suit. In engaging in this type of political grandstanding. AG James is squandering precious resources!

  5. Lots of looting of high-end stores in Chicago. Companies are finding that paying big Indulgences doesn’t keep them out of Hell after all.

    1. I am ROTFLMAO! I read they raised the drawbridges to keep the looters out. I also read where one Ghettopotamus was saying “I can’t breathe” as she was looting a high end clothing store.

      I hope they leave Chicago in ruins. I am sure Mayor Beetlejuice will blame it on white people or guns or the electoral college.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      1. I dont hope it. That’s a bitter wish for a city full of innocent people who are oppressed by the BLM mob and incompetent mayor.

        I wish for Chicago to be liberated from tyranny and its evil cousin, anarchy

        however, i wont hold my breath

        1. I would rather it happen to Chicago, which has been Blue for decades than elsewhere. When people have a delusional belief system, the only thing that can motivate them to change is a crisis. Just like with drunks and drug addicts. If enough “innocent” people get hurt, maybe they will re-examine their belief systems and stop voting for Democrats and quit spouting off the ridicuous “Institutionalized Racism” nonsense.

          Sooo, I say, “Loot! Loot! Loot!”

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

          1. It’s not Democrat party that ruined Chicago. It flourished with Democratic leadership for many many decades.

            In two words, the most immediate and obvious cause of ruin today: criminal blacks. They ruined it.

            Now, one might ask, was it only them? No, it wasnt just them. To only blame them would be short sighted, and foolish.
            not racist, who cares about that. just myopic.

            If it was white Democrats who had power and took it this way, who were they?

            let’s see. Start with the Governor Pritzker and his type– billionaires. one of the wealthiest families in America
            Much like the bete noir, Geo Soros, globalists. .

            not the Daleys. Not the old Democrat white ethnic Italians, Irish, Polish, etc etc etc. the workers– not.

            The big global corporations and their stooges. Of which Lori Lightfoot is one, former lawyer at Mayor Brown, a biglaw outfit that schleps for the billionaires like Pritzker

            the remains of the white workers who abide in places like Illinois have one choice now. Globalism, which means, the Democrat party, and its endless tyrrannies againt us, or, the Republicans, who for all their many, many faults, are at this moment the only game in town against globalism

            Come november remember this weekend Chicagoans and Illinois voters

            want more riots? vote blue for Democrats. That means sucking up to BLM, defunding police, and dig deep to pay blacks “reparations”

            or want law and order? Vote Red, vote Republican, return to law order and prosperity. jobs!

            if there are no Republican candidates to vote for, DO NOT VOTE YES for the Dem party candidate.

            they DO measure the votes for unopposed candidates versus ballots cast and they DO notice.

            if you can’t vote Republican in a race, DO NOT VOTE

            the message must be sent loudly in Illinois.

            better to vote for a LaRouchie than vote for Lori Lightfoot

      2. Squeeky– They will try to blame it on white people AND guns.

        Black people don’t need permits to own guns in Chicago.

        They might impose limits on how many bros a bro can bag (body bag) on a weekend.

        The KKK is thinking of sending the bros lots more ammo; think they are doing God’s good work.

        A few more excusions to the Miracle Mile and they will have to start looting the ghetto because that’s where all the good stuff will be.

        1. Young, I think you mean criminals don’t need permits to purchase guns in Chicago no matter what race they are because it is in a corner of the state adjacent to places where it’s easy to get them and no border check points. That’s why we need national laws on guns.

          1. Book– Yet, strangely– those communities with lots of easy guns but lots less black people don’t have the slaughter Chicago, Baltimore, etc see every day. The critical element isn’t guns; it’s the people.

            For gun control, you say, but I bet you have one. Many anti-gun libs own weapons.

          2. “Young, I think you mean criminals don’t need permits to purchase guns in Chicago no matter what race they are because it is in a corner of the state adjacent to places where it’s easy to get them and no border check points. That’s why we need national laws on guns.”

            Criminals may not purchase guns legally anywhere in the country.
            Criminals have no difficulty getting guns anywhere in the world no matter how stringent the gun laws are.
            France like most of the EU has stringent gun laws and yet in numorous instances int eh past 10 years actual assault weapons – AK-47’s were used to kill jews, journalists, and the general public.

            Today there are more guns in the US than people. You are not going to change that. The trend is going against you. More and more people are buying guns.

            They are doing so because more and more you make it OBVIOUS that people can not trust government to protect them.
            The police can not respond quickly enough – if they respond at all.
            And the left only cares about punishing those who use firearms legitimately

  6. “Burnside will always have facial hair as his lasting legacy. James is turning hers into something much more menacing. It is not that she will succeed in such raw political demands that is the concern. It is that so many want her to succeed in dissolving a real advocacy group in this country.’I was able to parse that passage as a reference to Letitia James’ lasting legacy but am just unchivalrous to imagine her cultivating a set of sideburns to rival General Burnside’s.

  7. There’s a hole in your bucket Dear Letitia.
    There’s a hole in your bucket dear AG a hole!
    Then fix it dear Georgie.
    Deer Georgie, Deer Georgie.
    The fix it deer Georgie, deer Georgie fix t!

  8. Thanks to Democrat/Anarchist politicians even anti-gun leftists ( Democrats) are rushing to buy guns. The trouble they cheer in other neighborhoods is marching and looting its way to their front yards now.

    They may not feel safe when 911 sends a couple of overweight, Ebonics-speaking, social worker, graduates of a Women’s Studies program to protect them. Besides the social workers are likely already marching with the mostly peaceful protesters in the front yard with matches in one hand and a can of gas in the other.

    Then there are the mostly Black Lives Steal peaceful protesters looting Louis Vuitton on the Miracle Mile in Chicago in search of food for the chillen as CNN will likely explain. They need the nice purses to carry the samiches.

    1. They can’t rush in Chicago. They have to get FOID cards from the Illionois state police first and clearance of the applications takes at least a month. Now, longer.

      1. I know of one instance in California where a dedicated anti-gun Democrat wanted to borrow a gun from his conservative brother. He was told ‘No’ not legal. Go through the process you supported and get your own legally. Meanwhile, pray the boogeyman doesn’t come for you.

        1. I have had to say “no” to my very best of friends more than once. As a lawyer, I follow the laws, even when I don’t like them.

          So far that is. The day they start passing laws to explicitly cut off free speech, then I start breaking them, and doing it with a vengeance

          they are winding up for that, trust me, if Trump loses, it will come, and they may go for it even if he wins anyhow

          1. I have paid every penny of my taxes, that has genuinely annoyed the hell out of me, even when nobody was looking and I could have had it otherwise.
            Some say Im a fool for this, but it kept me safe when people were looking to persecute me

            Im on this side of the law, but never in my life has my confidence in the justice system been so weak.

            From the FBI illegally wiretapping a lawful candidate’s election activities– a horrible shame that cries out for justice still–
            to the failure of big cities to maintain law and order on the streets, the tolerance of riot–
            to the patently unfair COVID lockdowns maintained against everyone BUT BLM assemblies–

            I have NEVER seen a more unjust and unfair moment in America than what we have right now

            Republican foot dragging system hacks better get moving fast
            and the average guy who’s scratching his head better figure it out and be ready to cast a red Republican ballot in November–

            because “Apres Trump, le deluge”

            and remember, every single naughty tactic that BLM and the ANTIFA and their likes use– can be used by other people too.
            they day has not come for that yet, but it may
            and the system’s failure to punish them, will mean it’s incapable to punish others. figure that out, fools, fast

            1. Good warnings that will not be heeded. Not all of them are stupid, but many are deluded.

              I do like the astonishment expressed when Antifa faces actual community opposition. The Seattle chief of police had these people come to her home to harass her only to be confronted by her armed neighbors.

              One whined we are peaceful but you are pointing a gun in my face only to be told ‘that’s why you are peaceful.”

              Someday homeowners will not want a police presence when antifa shows up.

  9. This is another indication of how degenerate is the culture of the social nexus around the Democratic Party, and the degree to which the continuous lawfare in which they engage is corrupting the courts and auxilliary agencies. You want to play these games, eventually people discard the improvisations you fancy are ‘rules’, and when that happens, you haven’t any trees behind which to hide.

    As for Letitia James, she’s just another example of the fecklessness of the New York electorate, though more extreme than usual. The attorney-general’s post shouldn’t be an elected office. Its work is too specialized and esoteric and the practice of law and running electoral campaigns are at best unrelated skill sets if not incompatible skill sets. New York’s political sachems have slated one political hack after another for the job. Of the 11 persons who have held the position over the last 70-odd years, only Barbara Underwood, Dennis Vacco, Jacob Javits, and Louis Lefkowitz could be called lawyers first and politicians second, and only Vacco was a career prosecutor. As for six of the remaining seven, I doubt anyone would doubt their raw intellect. James is a thorough mediocrity whose experience in law practice is limited to time as a public defender.

    She’s simply unfit, and if the political culture of New York were not so rancid, she’d never be elected to any public office.

  10. Send lawyers, guns, and money!
    Lard get me out of this?

    And if the Lard won’t do it on Sunday, try Krisco on Monday.

  11. It wouldn’t surprise me if the NRA’s execs are corrupt. But if we’re going to fight corruption, let’s do it all these non-profits.

    1. Wayne Lapierre is corrupt. Gun Owners of America is a viable alternative

      The NRA needs reform but the “death penalty for organizations” of dissolution is an absurd petitioned remedy and will not be granted.

  12. With respect to Professor Turley, antifa is not engaged in “political speech” when they engage or encouraging rioting, arson or looting.

    1. Totally agree with this. Using Turley’s “logic,” one could claim “political speech” before performing lots of other crimes!

  13. The NRA should buy a house on Portland Place in Saint Louie, Missoura. The should create a new corporate entity in Missoura and set up on Portland Place.
    Y’all know where I’m talking bout?

  14. Two things: 1) I told you Squeeky would be back (welcome back, Squeeky) 2) have you ever seen the salary schedule for the heads of the major American Red Cross. There is an organization that needs to be dissolved.

    1. You say that the spending by NRA officials deserves to be investigated and may possibly warrant “injunctive relief“. So why is it inappropriate for this AG to investigate and possibly dissolve the NRA? She a Democrat. She’s a woman. She’s Black. Or is it because it’s so successful. Or it’s not run from a basemen. The laws of NY relating to charitable institutions aren’t just their for basement level charities. The NYAG has the power and the duty to investigate organizations like the NRA.

      1. Justice Holmes – the Haitians are still waiting for their money from the Clinton Foundation. Is she investigating them? Is she dissolving the Clinton Foundation?

        1. “Clinton Foundation:

          Overall Score & Rating 89.28
          Financial 84.84
          Accountability & Transparency 100.00

          TOTAL IN 2018
          Number of farmers benefitting from access to improved agricultural practices, increased yields, and enhanced market access

          Number of girls and women provided access to job skills training and livelihood support

          Number of schools working with the Alliance for a Healthier Generation to build healthier environments for students through increasing access to healthier foods and physical activity


          This organization has earned a GuideStar’s Platinum Seal of Transparency by voluntarily sharing the measures of progress and results they use to pursue their mission. Organizations earn Platinum Seals by selecting from a catalog of over 900 expert recognized metrics or by creating a new metric that best fits their work. This information is reported by the organization and displayed publicly on their GuideStar Nonprofit Profile. With over 1.6 million Nonprofit Profiles, 9 million annual visitors and over 200 data partners, GuideStar is the world’s leading source of information about nonprofit organizations. A nonprofit itself, GuideStar is dedicated to providing better data for better decisions for a better world.”

          “Trump Charity

          High Concern Advisory

          The concerns raised about organizational legitimacy and/or federal tax law compliance are serious both in nature and scope and have thus warranted this CN Advisory. We have published this advisory to provide donors with content that they may find useful when making their giving decisions. The views and opinions expressed here are those of the authors of sources used for the reported information, and not those of Charity Navigator. Charity Navigator is not responsible for the nature or content of the information presented through such external sources and websites. For more information on how or when we decide to publish a CN Advisory, please review our methodology.

            1. One thing about you Paul you always want to stick to your topic as opposed to the one at hand. We are discussing the NRA? Enjoy.

              1. Justice Holmes – JT discusses several other organizations that were targets or should be targets. Why should I be any different?

          1. BTB

            The Clintons staged a holy war against Charity navigator when it rated CF badly.
            They stood their ground for about a year and then capitulated.

            There is no one on the left with the courage to stand up to the Clinton’s

            We can debate details of CF, but it really does not matter, you are clueless.

            CF is not a charity. It does not give direct aide, It does not even do so indirectly.

            It pays for junkets and conferences and sinecures for left wing nuts. It “trains” people in “charity”.

            It “helps” others do charity. It does not actually do charity.

            Wayne LaPierre could learn many tricks from CF. There is nothing NRA is being accused of that is not rampant in CF.

            Personally I do not care. I do not give money to either.

            Further this is not the NY AG’s business. If NRA members are upset about this – they can act.
            If contributors to CF are upset – they need not contribute.

            If the donors to a charity allow the management of the charity to live high on the Hog, that is their choice.

            It is not the business of government.

            But there is a specific issue with CF as while Clinton was Sec. State they were running an extorition scheme getting people to donate for access to the state department.

            Comey SHOULD have been investigating that.

            1. “ If the donors to a charity allow the management of the charity to live high on the Hog, that is their choice.”

              Not if they want tax exempt status granted by the government. If they are tax exempt and file under 501(c)4 or 3 they are certainly the business of government. I thought that would be obvious.

              1. Yeah, like the SPLC. Not even one fifth of every donation is actually spent on the narrow charitable activities. Most is spent on self promotion for more details, the fancy building in Montgomery, and paying off lawsuits on the QT against former CEO Morris Dees who was fired for decades of “harassing women and people of color” on staff at the shakedown outfit.


                and yet, the yellow journalism slander operations continues.

          2. TF is a private trust. That is something radically different. It is not even obligated to engage in charity.

            Neither you nor I can contribute to TF.

            But you and your family could form a Trust to provide for the maintance and care of a family owned vacation home,
            Paying taxes and repairs from the Trust.

            The only interest govenrment has in a private Trust is assuring that any actual income of the Trust is taxed.

            CF is a public charity – is it radically different. It is not subject to taxes at all – Private trusts are – and larger ones tend to have taxable income.

            But god forbid you should know what you are talking about.

            1. “ TF is a private trust. That is something radically different. It is not even obligated to engage in charity.”

              But it claims it is. Plus it is listed as a tax exempt organization which gives the government oversight of its functions of it is not abiding by its tax exemption stipulations.

              Any and I emphasize ‘any’ organization that files under the 501(c)4 or 3 rules is subject to government scrutiny in regards to tax exemption. Whether it’s private or public is irrelevant.

          3. Is there anything in your list of things that CF does that is actually charity ?

            Being afiliated – is not charity. Operating the equivalent of Rotary for Charities is not charity.

            How many CF people are on the ground teaching in impoverished schools ? Rebuilding destroyed countries ?

            CF does not provide direct aid. It does not provide indirect aide.

            It talks to NGO’s etc about charity.

            The Sheep and the Goats
            31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
            32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
            33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
            34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
            35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
            36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
            37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
            38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
            39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
            40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
            41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
            42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
            43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
            44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
            45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
            46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

      2. There is no state interest in a charity. Donations to charities are voluntary.
        If the donors feel they have been defrauded – they can challenge the NRA in court.

        It is not NY’s business to decide. Just as it was not anyone’s business to decide how the Clinton Fund spends their money either.

        Well except as a means to leverage the power of the US state department when Clinton was Sec. State. That would be illegal.

        But if CF wants money from Russian Oligrachs, and despots in the mideast and elsewhere – that is their business.

        If they want to fund lavish junkets. That is their business.

        The NY AG has no more business investigating the spending habits of the NRA than Clinton Foundation.

        The only state interest is when the power of the state is being sold by charities.

        1. “ There is no state interest in a charity.”

          There is if they claim tax exempt status which most do. Since some can be used as tax shelters and fraud the state has every right to show an interest when something isn’t right.

    2. Paul

      The CEO of Aetna makes close to $20 mil a year. Who pays that? The insured pay that. What does he get paid for? He gets paid for figuring out how to screw those who pay his salary. The parasitical private, for profit health care insurance industry administers health care for all Americans. The US ranks 34th in the world for quality of health care, per capita. Americans pay twice as much, per capita, as do the citizens of the 33 countries with higher quality health care. The administrative costs for this parasitical system are five to seven times as much as the administrative costs in the 33 countries with higher quality health care, per capita. Yup choice, the misery of choice, the myth of choice.

      1. issac – ask what the head of the local Red Cross chapter in San Diego makes. Then multiply that by every major city in the US.

      2. Isaac, normally i do not have much sympathy for CEOs, but i tell you an insurance company that size is an incredibly complex organization and its profits can dry up literally overnight. if there is any kind of business that had better hire the best for its CEOS it is insurance.

        now get after the investment banks and you will hit a purer thread of ore with your critique

        1. 3 have found homes from the first batch. I am keeping No.4. Then, I have five more, most of whom will probably be leaving this week. I will probably keep one of those too. They are a lot of work, and they eat like pigs, but I will cry when they go away.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

      1. A Brooklyn math instructor, Laurie Rubel, says that 2+ 2 = 4 reeks of white supremacy.

        A Chicago Democrat calls for the end of history classes because they promote white privilege.

        I am going to have to re-examine white privilege. These people make it sound like a very good thing.

        They have persuaded me that we need to abolish a lot of hare-brained politicians and university professors. They are so nuts even the Babylon Bee can’t get ahead of them.

        1. On that math thing, if Boeing is hiring graduates like this we might have a clue why they are struggling to keep planes in the air lately.

        2. We do have white privilege alright

          We have the privilege of our ancestors’ blood that survived all the preceeding generations of mankind up from the apes, because they were smarter and tougher than others
          and they reproduced
          this started with the primordial ooze, but at some point the white race differentiated out from the rest. that’s our branch and it’s as fit to live as any other human type

          we have the privilege not only of our inherited characteristics but our culture

          our family culture and the social circles that formed us

          I am very privileged to be a white man

          I know it and guess what. a lot of it is gone but some remains. and I won’t give it away. “MOLON LABE”

          Im not against the other races but BLM makes an enemy out of me, ok, I knew I would be their target before BLM existed
          I spit on them, I revile them and their bogus protests, their cunning lies, and I laugh at the idiotic white people who praise them
          you fools who do, had better wise up fast

          1. The Smithsonian attacked ‘white characteristics’ in a now infamous poster that they have taken down. But in it they saw:


            “Objective with rational, linear thinking.”
            “Cause & effect relationships”
            “Quantitative emphasis”
            “Work before you play”
            “Follow rigid time schedules”
            and more of the same.


            avoid rational and linear thinking
            Ignore cause & effect relationships
            Ignore Quantitative emphasis [Hence 2 + 2 = 4 is white supremacist]
            Play before you work
            Don’t follow time schedules

            Those characteristics alone could explain why the ghetto is the ghetto.

      2. I think anyone ranting about “white priviledge” is an envious idiot.

        Life is not fair – get over it.

        It would be an extremelly bad idea to make it fair.

        We can not increase the IQ of the bottom 20%, but we can decrease everyone’s IQ.

        We can not make each of us a concert pianist, but we can crush the hands of those who are.

        We can not make everyone Lebron, but we can break Lebron’s legs.

        Each of us is “priviledged” in myriads of ways – some more some less.

        That is life. It is how things work.

        The gifts you were given are no reason for pride, nor do you owe apologies.

        Burying them because others envy you is morally wrong.

        But god forbid you should get any moral issue correct.

        1. John– “We can not increase the IQ of the bottom 20%”


          No, we can’t, but apparently we can demand they be given seats on corporate boards, and we can give them PhDs and professorships just as the Strawman was given a ‘brain and a certficate.

        2. “ Life is not fair – get over it.

          It would be an extremelly bad idea to make it fair.”

          Maybe you should direct that nugget of wisdom to the president who constantly whines about things not being fair to him. Apparently he’s still not over it. Oh the irony.

          1. It’s the Democrats who are staggered by election results when they lose and cry foul.

            They cheat so much it is only reasonable to believe that they will win every time.

          2. Says one of the leading TDS sufferers here.

            The core reason TDS exists is because of a generation of children who were awarded trophies even though they lost.

            Which is a misguided attempt at teaching children that life is really fair. Then they become adults who cannot accept defeat, and instead of learning a lesson from a loss, they throw a tantrum for 4 years because they didn’t get their Hillary POTUS trophy.

            You should turn that whining spotlight on yourself, Svelaz.

      3. Book., we’re going to keep the white pride thing going, it may save your skin one day

        the famed creative talent and actor Ice T said in one of his finest songs:

        “blacks got the muscle mexicans got the knives
        ‘whites got a thing they call white pride
        but i didnt know who had the power
        the whites the blacks or just the gun tower”


        Chicago’s looting of the Magnificent mile, and the ongoing attacks against the police, should prove the point to all you weak minded white liberals out there, that this is now reaching a point of potential physical danger, that you’ve been able to evade so far, perhaps
        now maybe you’re hunkered down for the COVID but eventually you will want to come out.
        where will you go? Why, the Magnificent Mile was as safe a place in Chicago as the Daley Center. It’s really, stupendous and unbeilievable, they lost control of it.

        but what can one person do against many? not much, because multiple attackers almost always win against one

        here’s where that ‘White pride” thing comes in.
        Im going to explain this now for liberals who don’t understand such things

        white people have an innate ability as do all races, and national groups, to instantly gang up for self defense.
        it is as ingrained as your blood type., and, you can do it on sight. you can immediately tell the differerence in a crowd, who is white and who is black.

        see, Book, if you and I were in Chicago on Michigan street, past weekend, perhaps at Brooks Brothers, let’s say, shopping for some handsome and high quality men’s garments, at the moment the black mob crashed the windows and started looting– I would have had your back in a second. we would have stood back, let them do their thing, and they would have ignored us, and stayed busy with their easy pickings instead
        because the moment they saw me, they would have known instinctively, that if they tried to loot me, then they would have broke their teeth on it.
        if they see you,. will they understand that?
        if they see you, can they see it in your eyes, that you will sell your life dearly?
        thee is no way to fake this, nor prepare in advance, except to have it strong inside you every day

        see its not about looking scary, talking big, not about tattoos, or big muscles, or walking around visibly armed– it’s about what’s inside. heart!
        inside of you, if you have the determination to extract maximum pain on someone who attacks you, it radiates out to potential aggressors, telephathically.
        there is nothing more powerful than your mindset-
        the is nothing that is harder to train-
        luckily it’s the one thing that you can keep sharp your whole life, even as the rest fades.
        it’s called “having heart”

        so, remember. one day,. if you are in the wrong place and wrong time, look around you. form up shoulder to shoulder with the other whites. circle the wagons before the savages attack and maybe you will survive like our pioneer ancestors on the frontier of this great continent, that they conquered. and for which I give thanks and praise.

        but nothing can be kept forever– succeeding generations must be strong or they will be conquered in turn

        this is the way or nature. always was and always will be. you dont have to like it, just live with it

        now. can a liberal who wants to hand over our whole posterity in the form of defunding the police and reparations have heart?

        you betcha– but these political attitudes don’t help.

        this “abundance” stuff — you know about that– but it is always at odds with the sharp edge mentality you have to keep to stay in condition yellow or orange your whole life
        just sayin, you gotta be ready, never know when or where it’s gonna jump off

  15. Yeah, because decent people don’t need guns. Rioting, looting “protesters” need guns though. Plus, don’t you love the rioting and looting in Chicago, Seattle and Portland??? Like I predicted years ago, the black savages have cars and social media and can organize raids outside the ghetto. Well, Chicago deserves it, and so does Portland and Seattle.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    1. Shouldn’t the rioters, protesters, looters have a right to guns as well? I mean the NRA is all about the right to defend yourself and from big government. Given that “big government” is trampling on their liberties and freedom from harassment they should arm themselves and use their god given 2nd amendment rights? Why isn’t the NRA supporting these people against big oppressing government?

      1. NRA has always agreed with the law that convicted felons lose their rights to own firearms
        now if a looter hasnt been convicted, and they have a clean record, they would certainly be entitled to a due process trial before they lost the RTKBA

        some looting could be simple theft which is a misdemeanor. it would depend on how it’s charged and what stuck after trial.

        does that answer your snotty and presumptuous questions svelz?

        1. Mr. Kurtz, nope. My question was rioters, protesters, looters etc. they have a right to defend themselves from big government by arming themselves according to the 2nd amendment.

          Just being at the site armed and protecting themselves from big government such as federal agents and abusing police. The NRA specifically addressed this a few years ago that they would support this action. Obviously they are quite silent given that protesters free speech rights are being violated and trampled. By arming themselves which I’m sure no conservatives would object big government would rethink its current strategy of using tear gas and rubber bullets.

          Fully armed black militias protested not too long ago and police didn’t resort to the tactics they employed with unarmed protesters. There might be a solution to the current problem, arm them all. I mean the NRA fully supports arming all teachers too.

          1. some of these black militias that have peaceably assembled, I have no problem with it, even though I disagree with their rhetoric. so long as peaceful truly so.
            I support the right of the black American citizens who are law abiding to keep and bear arms. I have zero problem with that.

            militias- meaning state sponsored armed gropus such as National Guard units– or even privately organized militias, perhaps gun clubs and what have you, that are genuinely well regulated, meaning, safe and law abiding; — those are ok by me!

            That is not some gang plotting illegal actions like the BLM which is just a “human shield” for rioters who always soon follow

            as for BLM they are a thinly disguised Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization and I no more support their socalled rights than I do other organized crime fronts
            they deserve due process trials, yes, but are in dire need of prosecution

            as for “protesters free speech rights are being violated and trampled” THAT IS A LIE

            it is NOT happening.

            actually the RIOTERS AND THEIR FRIENDS AMONG THE “PEACEFUL [NOT] PROTESTERS” are tramping the rights of citizens to law and order

            not once did I say that state and local governments could not impose COVID measures for emergency to limit public assembly
            when other Republicans cried out that churches were being shuttered I said this is within the police powers of government under public health emergency

            but then the Democrats UNFAIRLY let BLM skate and ignore the quarantine measures

            we have a “spike” in Covid cases often in places where BLM ran rampant on the streets with face to face jam packed public demonstrations

            THERE is your COVID problem. Right on BLM’s doorstep and the Democrat liars who let them run amuck. Hypocrites!

          2. “My question was rioters, protesters, looters etc. they have a right to defend themselves from big government by arming themselves according to the 2nd amendment.”

            Everyone can arm themselves.
            There is no right to defend yourself against government unless government is OBVIOUSLY lawless.

            You are not getting far with a self defense claim against a cop when you are roiting and looting.

            “Just being at the site armed and protecting themselves from big government such as federal agents and abusing police. The NRA specifically addressed this a few years ago that they would support this action. Obviously they are quite silent given that protesters free speech rights are being violated and trampled. By arming themselves which I’m sure no conservatives would object big government would rethink its current strategy of using tear gas and rubber bullets.”

            The use of force – for private citizens must be proportionate – you can not respond to tear gas and rubber bullets with gun shots.
            Nor can you respond to the lawful use of force by police with force at all.
            For the police the use of force must the necescary – and great lattitude is given to the police.

            “Fully armed black militias protested not too long ago and police didn’t resort to the tactics they employed with unarmed protesters. There might be a solution to the current problem, arm them all. I mean the NRA fully supports arming all teachers too.”

            Fully armed black millitias can protest – if they riot and loot – they are even MORE likely to be shot – and not with rubber bullets.

            You have a right to be armed, but when you are, then others can presume you are dangerous, and when you act criminally respond with DEADLY force when they would not otherwise.

            As a rule of thumb Armed protestors tend to be non-violent. Because if they aren’t a firefight will errupt.

            I fully support armed protestors.

            Armed looters will be shot.

          3. “My question was rioters, protesters, looters etc. they have a right to defend themselves”

            No Svelaz, “rioters” and “looters” lose all of their rights as soon as they start rioting and looting.

            Once they engage in rioting and looting, the only right they have left, is the right to a fair trial.

    2. Squeeky– Ms Lightfoot has given up on animal control and gun control and has retreated to raising the drawbridge ( literally) and shutting down mass transit so the masses can’t transit downtown to loot.

      It is really getting funny in Chicago. Swarms coming down the street from the ghetto and the drawbridges snap up. Almost like they don’t want them downtown. Racist. ACLU will have something to say about those drawbridges. SPLC will denounce drawbridges in a few days.

      How long before they show up with catapults? Could be useful to capture one. We could use them to launch ACLU lawyers and execs back across the river.

      We are really getting Medieval.

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