Trump Critics Fuel Internet Conspiracy Theories Surrounding The President’s Illness

The Internet is raging with conspiracy theories this weekend on how President Donald Trump may be faking his illness or using his Covid-19 treatment for some hidden dark purpose. MSNBC host Joy Reid drew criticism for passing along postings on how Trump may be lying about his illness to “get out of the debates.”  On CNN, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer agreed with host Erin Burnett that even Vice President Pence may be lying in simply saying that morning that the President and First Lady were doing well while convalescing in the White House.  Michael Moore warned the public that this all may be a massive lie orchestrated by Trump.

While correctly lambasting Qanon and other sites for misinforming and conspiracy theories, Trump critics often have a high tolerance for their own conspiracists, including leading journalists.

Consider the basis for the latest conspiracy theory.  Trump would have to enlist the support of literally hundreds of people to hide the fact that he is really doing fine.  Doctors, nurses, security, and other at Walter Reed would have to be part of this elaborate lie. And what is the purpose? The contraction of Covid-19 is an obvious embarrassment for the President who has been criticized for downplaying the virus and insisting that the country is turning the corner. In the meantime, Trump would have taken himself off the campaign trail at the critical time in the election.

The White House properly informed the public of the positive testing and has disclosed details on his treatment.  It allows press to film him walking to the helicopter and entering Walter Reed.

Others have questioned whether he is truly taking the experimental “drug cocktail” or lying about his reaction to it. Again what is the basis and advantage of such lies?

If we are going to unleash more conspiracy theories, at least make them interesting. The real fear should not be an effort to avoid debate. Rather something far far more sinister could be revealed as Trump emerges from his experimental treatment.  No, I am not speaking of viral immunity.  I am speaking of super MAGA powers:

 

Now that is a conspiracy theory and it is just about as plausible as President Trump being treated not by hundreds of professionals, but co-conspirators.

This is a serious illness and the President is clearly a high-risk patient. However, the medical staff has moved quickly and aggressively. We would do well to take a brief break from our ragefest and simply wish the President a speedy recovery. Then everyone can return to this bloodsport as known as the American presidential election.

405 thoughts on “Trump Critics Fuel Internet Conspiracy Theories Surrounding The President’s Illness”

  1. as i predicted and warned yesterday, the Republicans have refused to further consider the bogus Pelosi stimulus bill that would bail out ailing Democrat states and their horribly administered burdensome public pension funds./

    Market has tanked, past 20 minutes, to which one says, good– get used to some pain, money-men– the purse strings are not as lose as you suspected.

    Bigger standoffs ahead as the failed Democrat rackets show more and more signs of stress

  2. ‘Fun movie storyline:

    1) POTUS forces China into trade deal good for US

    2) China NOT happy

    3) Immediately virus leaks from Chinese bioweapons lab and decimates US economy

    4) China bagman takes $1.5B, runs against POTUS

    5) POTUS, staff, Senators infected just before election’ @RealJamesWoods

  3. Just a thought: The China Virus often spreads in confined spaces with limited fresh air circulation and crowds.

    I wonder if it would be practical to install a series of intense ultraviolet lights in a series, like Christmas lights, in the air ducts of some buildings? It would be easy to do and relatively cheap. All recycled air passing through the duct would likely have viruses and bacteria killed before issuing into occupied areas.

  4. Open borders Biden: “‘No obligation’: Joe Biden opposed helping South Vietnamese refugees reach U.S. in 1970s

    “Democratic presidential front-runner Joseph R. Biden, who has denounced President Trump’s efforts against Central American asylum-seekers, vigorously opposed resettling as refugees South Vietnamese who had helped the U.S. during the war.”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/4/joe-biden-opposed-helping-refugees-from-south-viet/

  5. I have read a lot from the Leftists on Twitter and so forth wishing Trump will die. Guess what. I return the favor. I want a score of ten thousand anarchists in this country to die too.

    It’s just what I want. I won’t take any illegal actions to that end. just sharing under my first amendment right to do so. I hope anarchists die. Maybe we will get lucky and a factional dispute will erupt between antifa and blm. Fingers crossed!

    1. After a promising report from Trump’s doctors a reporter was caught on open mic saying, “that wasn’t as fun as yesterday.”

  6. When there is no reason to trust ANYTHING from the White House then COVID scam “infections” seem quite crazily reasonable. Trump had a miracle recovery, what a superman, let’s see how Christie, Kayleigh and the other infected ones manage….

  7. This is the Trump the left doesn’t want anyone to see because they are elitists and Trump is not. This is from a 2019 article in the Washington Post. It is quite different than the lies stated by the left on this blog and elsewhere.

    Forwarded from the article:
    Biden Emerges as A Country-Club Snob, Hypocrite

    “Trump was shut out of all the private clubs, the heart of Palm Beach social life. … So Trump opened Mar-a-Lago as a private club in 1995. Unlike the Everglades or Bath and Tennis clubs, which did not admit Jewish members, and the Palm Beach Country Club, which admitted wealthy Jews, Mar-a-Lago was open to anyone. ‘Basically, he didn’t care who came in as long as they could pay for it,’ explains a Palm Beach social expert.”

    The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”

    It’s the same story in New York City, where Trump made money developing, managing, or operating mostly condominium buildings in Manhattan — apartments for people with money but without the references or pedigree or patience for co-op buildings and their arcane interview and approval processes. …

    The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”

      1. You are a scatterbrain. You throw out different stories one after another as your stories fall. He didn’t defraud anyone. In fact suits were declined by the attorney’s because they lead nowhere. They only sued when he ran for President. That was a nuisance suit that was settled for no other reason than it was a nuisance. Typical ambulance chaser suit.

        Now Anonymous the Stupid can tell us the facts of the case and why he merits consideration. There are loads of schools that were similar. The Biden family had schools that went under but one has to think why was the Biden family able to navigate the politics of it. Could Joe Biden’s political career have anything to do with it. ( I think the schools were named Maverick)

        Will Anonymous be able to defend his allegations? Nope. That is why he should be known as Anonymous the Scatterbrain as well as Anonymous the Stupid and Anonymous the Lie.

  8. Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany has tested positive for COVID-19. The WH is a COVID hot-spot. She released a statement that she has no symptoms and would quarantine.

    1. Shannon Pettypiece (Senior White House Reporter for NBC): “Today at the White House there appear to be less staffers than usual, but the few I saw weren’t in masks. I was told there are no additional testing or safety procedures being put in place, at this time.”

      Alli Hedges Maser (CNN): “@nytimes reporter @shearm [Michael Shear, one of 3 WH reporters who’ve tested positive in the last few days] is battling covid-19 after being at the WH and traveling on AF1 with the President last Saturday. He says nobody from the White House has contacted him since.”
      video of Shear talking about the lack of contact tracing: https://twitter.com/AllisonLHedges/status/1313075122572587010

      Weijia Jiang (CBS News White House Correspondent): “@shearm, while fighting COVID-19, took time to personally reach out to those of us who were around him. Thank you for doing your own contact tracing. We were both on AF1 last Saturday night when the President came back to talk to us. I have not heard from the White House.”

      Yet again, the WH shows that they aren’t doing what they should / that they simply don’t care enough about others’ health: “no additional testing or safety procedures being put in place, at this time” and no efforts at contact tracing.

      I hope that Trump is soundly defeated in November.

    2. McEnany’s statement said “I definitively had no knowledge of Hope Hicks’ diagnosis prior to holding a White House press briefing on Thursday.”

      Kaitlan Collins (CNN WH correspondent): “After Hope Hicks tested positive, Kayleigh McEnany was pulled off President Trump’s trip to New Jersey and later informed she’d had direct contact with Hicks. Yet McEnany did not quarantine and was at the White House Friday and yesterday, citing multiple negative tests.”

      Maggie Haberman (NYT WH correspondent): “McEnany spoke to reporters without wearing a mask yesterday.”

      video of McEnany removing her mask to speak to reporters yesterday and refusing to answer questions about the timing of Trump’s last negative test: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1312902720240717830

      Just a cluster*ck of incompetence and lack of care for others.

        1. It would work better if Trump asked everyone to wear masks all the time they’re around others inside or near others outside, and if he modeled effective behavior. It would work better if Trump had made masks and testing easily available, by using the DPA if needed. It would work better if Trump were committed to following the best scientific understandings as they develop. It would work better if Trump were honest. It would work better if Trump’s decisions weren’t driven by his ego. There’s a long list of things that would help it work better.

          We’re nowhere close to herd immunity. Sweden also isn’t close to herd immunity, nor did it aim for that. Sweden’s ambassador to the U.K., Torbjörn Sohlström, said over the weekend that “That [herd immunity] was not part of the strategy. … We were not successful enough in protecting our weak. We got COVID into quite a lot of care homes … we have a commission of inquiry in Sweden already looking at why this happened and what we can learn and what we should have done differently.”

          We don’t have a lockdown in the U.S.

          1. we are not but im not so sure about some other places. i reviewed some interesting information over the weekend

            South Africa might be closer to herd immunity than you think.

            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53998374

            BBC doesn’t spell it out but the curves speak for themselves

            no lockdowns, no ppes, and a young population. my hypothesis, is that the spread was very fast and they are already near herd immunity.

          2. herd immunity could be reached for COVID as low as 45% in certain countries with certain characteristics:

            https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6505/846.full

            peer review that if you can

            not much else can explain what’s happened in various african countries with little health care, hi population density, no ppes– it seems that they got the virus, it spread fast, the young populations did not get that sick, now some countries there are already almost on the other side of it.

          3. You mentioned covid in nursing homes. If you can direct me to a post that you made on any other sight criticising Cuomo for sending people who had contracted the virus to nursing homes, I will acknowledge your credibility. If the readers here don’t see a response we will chalk it up to a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. The medical profession is going to have to soon categorize it as a severe mental delusional disorder.

            1. Thinkitthrough, if you want to know what I’ve previously said about Cuomo, look it up for yourself. I’m not going to waste my time searching on your behalf. Believe whatever you want about me.

                1. So he realizes that he commented under his other name and makes a correction. To much saintly information to post under just one handle. Found out sooner or later. He gets to be on his alter personalities side.

              1. I am sure that if you had a post on Cuomo you would gladly show it to the world. You wouldn’t have to research it. You would know exactly were to find it. Dishonest deflection. To the readers of these posts. I replied to a post by CommitToHonestDiscussion but I was answered by Anonymous. I guess he got his handles mixed up. I can understand when your opinions are so important a double life is totally justified. Sh quiet. Maybe he doesn’t know.

                1. I’m a woman, so that would be “she,” not “he.”

                  There are periodic tech glitches that result in people’s comments sometimes appearing as “Anonymous.” Check with Young if you don’t want to believe me. I’ve seen it happen to others too. But think whatever you want, just like you will about my unwillingness to act as your unpaid research asst.

                  1. True enough. Glitches have happened with my posts several times with my name coming up Anonymous. I usually follow with a correction but don’t always catch it.

                    1. She can remember when a glitch happened with you yet she can’t remember where she posted about Cuomo’s responsibility for the nursing home fiasco. How convenient.

                  2. Oh, come on Mam. Just direct us to your posts calling out Cuomo on the nursing homes and put it all to rest. You could easily show me up to be mistaken and it would be so much fun for you. I will apologized in total humiliation. I will totally grovel at your feet. Here is your opportunity. Did I mention that I will even genuflect.

                  3. I’m sorry. I will try to remember to address you as she from now on. How should I address CommitToHonestDiscussion. Am I talking to Anonymous right now or am I talking to CommitToHonestDiscussion. I’ll try to preface all my replies with this question.

    3. I wonder why you don’t follow indications of Biden’s mental decline with the attention you give every medical detail of Trump and his staff?

    4. “Two of Kayleigh McEnany’s deputies, Chad Gilmartin and Karoline Leavitt, have also tested positive for coronavirus, two sources tell CNN.”

    5. Donald J. Trump: “I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!”

      I find it hard to believe that he feels better now than 20 years ago, but doctors did say that the dexamethasone he took can cause mood swings. He touts “great drugs & knowledge” “developed, under the Trump Administration,” but of the 3 drugs he’s been prescribed in the last few days, 2 of the 3 were developed during prior administrations (not that I attribute the development to any of these drugs to the presidents who were in office).

      Very few Americans have access to the level of care Trump received at Walter Reed, and the WH has a sizeable medical unit that includes active-duty military physicians, PAs and RNs. If he doesn’t want COVID to “dominate” people’s lives, perhaps he should work to make sure that everyone has good healthcare. He’s been promising an improvement to Obamacare for 4 years, but he hasn’t delivered. He has both chambers of Congress for 2 years.

      Dana Bash (CNN):
      “A source familiar with POTUS phone calls from the hospital today tells me he said “I need to get out of here.” He’s being warned that if he rushes to leave the hospital and has a setback it would be bad for not just his health, but his re-election campaign.”

      Olivia Nuzzi (NY Magazine):
      “NEWS: @NYMag has confirmed that Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California has tested POSITIVE for COVID-19. Pastor Laurie was at the Prayer March on the Mall with Mike Pence and Franklin Graham and the ACB Rose Garden event later that day.”

      1. This is the Trump the left doesn’t want anyone to see because they are elitists and Trump is not. This is from a 2019 article in the Washington Post. It is quite different than the lies stated by the left on this blog and elsewhere.

        Forwarded from an article:
        Biden Emerges as A Country-Club Snob, Hypocrite

        “Trump was shut out of all the private clubs, the heart of Palm Beach social life. … So Trump opened Mar-a-Lago as a private club in 1995. Unlike the Everglades or Bath and Tennis clubs, which did not admit Jewish members, and the Palm Beach Country Club, which admitted wealthy Jews, Mar-a-Lago was open to anyone. ‘Basically, he didn’t care who came in as long as they could pay for it,’ explains a Palm Beach social expert.”

        The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”

        It’s the same story in New York City, where Trump made money developing, managing, or operating mostly condominium buildings in Manhattan — apartments for people with money but without the references or pedigree or patience for co-op buildings and their arcane interview and approval processes.

        The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”

  9. Questions from physicians for Trump’s medical team (first seven from Craig Spencer, MD MPH, ER doc and Ebola survivor, teaches at Columbia; last from Megan Ranney, MD MPH, ER doc, teaches at Brown):

    “1. When was last negative test?
    “2. What labs were abnormal?
    “3. Does he have COVID pneumonia?
    “4. Is he on antibiotics?
    “5. Mental status exam results?
    “6. Fever? If not, what antipyretic is he on and how often?
    “7. Did you sign off on the joyride?
    “8. Do you have adequate PPE? Or are you reusing and conserving, like the rest of us?”

    A number of doctors have criticized Trump’s decision to drive around the hospital, waving at supporters, as he exposed all of the security detail in the SUV with him. It was reckless. It’s the same kind of recklessness with others’ health that Trump regularly displays.

    Apparently his family also flouted the mask rule at the hotel where they were staying in Cleveland — a hotel where patients may stay in between chemo or prior to surgery. They simply do not care about others’ well-being.

    The WH only sent an email out to staff yesterday to inform them about staying home if they feel sick and telling them not to go to the WH medical clinic if they start to feel sick while at work.

    Michiko Kakutani: “The White House has not sought help from the CDC to trace the contacts of people who attended a celebration in the Rose Garden and a follow-up reception inside the White House… the CDC had a team of experts on standby to help the White House but had not been approached to do so”

    The Trump WH models incompetence.

    1. Paul Summergrad, chair of the Psychiatry Dept. at Tufts University, addressing the Dexamethasone that Trump was prescribed to help with low oxygenation: “Dexamethasone can cause frank mania, or more severe depressive states. Added to the risk of COVID related neuropsychiatric symptoms/severe delirium the press ought to be asking the medical team how they are formally monitoring his mental status”
      He adds “My comments above are to be understood as general comments about known effects of corticosteroids, and COVID, and the monitoring that ANY patient might need. They are NOT judgements in any way about the President or his current capacity as I have not examined him.”

      Jeffrey Flier, Professor of Physiology and Medicine at Harvard Medical School: “Note- the President is on dexamethasone. Whether or not it’s medically justified, dex can and does cause mood swings, personality changes etc. This is a real matter of concern for the person in his role.”
      He adds “Any qualified physician, if asked by a patient (VIP or otherwise) with active COVID (or many other illnesses) to go out in a car to do what POTUS did today would be obliged to refuse – and require patient to sign out “against medical advice”. This is obvious to all docs.”

      Bob Wachter, chair of the UCSF Dept of Medicine: “The more I think about it, the more concerned I am about 25th Amendment issues & Trump’s mental status. We know he was “lethargic” & we know he’s been hypoxic (low oxygen). We now know he’s on a medication (dexamethasone) that causes confusion or altered thinking at times …”

      Seems questionable for Trump to still have the nuclear codes while on Dexamethasone. He should temporarily sign the Presidency over to Pence.

      Steve Joffe: “3/ Key figure from the @NEJM report of the RECOVERY trial. Though the difference between groups is not statistically significant, the data we have indicate that giving dexamethasone to patients not sick enough to require oxygen is not a good idea.”

    2. Needs to be Committed continues with her morbid curiosity while hoping for the worst. If that happened she would want to know every gruesome detail.

      Trump did nothing wrong. His doctors gave the OK. He has been one of our most successful Presidents following one of our greatest failures, Obama.

      1. Allan keeps saying that the “doctors gave the OK”. Earlier, it was “Trump’s doctors stated that he had a green light. I am only repeating what was stated in the news.” This is another of Allan’s go-to dishonest attack tactics: pretend that the news said something, but don’t give any proof.

        1. I can’t help it that you don’t read the news. I will continue to repeat things heard and when I feel necessary quote them on the blog. However, you are not credible so I need not do anything for your sake. You have been wrong so many times that it is more than a credibility issue with you. In many cases its a reading comprehension problem.

          1. Maybe you heard it on Fox fake news from a Trump shill. Trump’s doctors haven’t had a press conference since before Trump went out yesterday, so you didn’t hear it from his doctors.

            1. Reading comprehension is the first thing you need to correct. I didn’t hear it from his doctors. I heard it from the news.

              It was a good thing for him to show himself to the people to demonstrate that Covid even in a 74 year old overweight person is not a death sentence. Maybe that will promote a different attitude and reduce the number of deaths from suicide, drug over dose and alcoholism all which have risen with Covid lockdowns. I would have been honored to drive the car for him and I would do so without fear. You would run for mama and whine. That is the difference in our nature. You hide and do little. You even hide under an anonymous name and icon. I do not.

                1. You are big on attacks until they come your way Anonymous and then you whine and cry. I didn’t even attack you. I advised you to improve your comprehension skills because your response didn’t correctly read what I had said.

                  Turley thanks you for boosting up his number of posts.

                  1. I mostly just repeat your insults back to you.

                    You are big on attacks until they come your way Allan, and then you whine and cry.

                    1. “I do not think That Trump strongly holds many of the values he pushes.”

                      Excuses, excuses. You are a venomous airhead.

                    2. Everyone already knows you are the airhead. That is my bad. That is what happens when one doesn’t proof read. It’s OK. Most people know who and what you are, venemous. I don’t think anyone will feel any different.

    3. Almost every prescribed drug has the potential to cause harm and most common generalized symptom. CTDHD is being dishonest by selectively quoting. Anyone can go to the PDR and see for themselves the list of adverse reactions.

      I bet CTDHD checks under her bed before she goes to sleep at night.

      1. Allan is a hypocrite. He selectively quotes all the time, but if someone else does it, that person is “dishonest”.

        Allan likes to imagine how people act and then he criticizes them for it. It’s one of his go-to dishonest attack tactics.

        I bet Allan checks under his bed before he goes to sleep at night.

    4. At Wednesday’s debate, V.P. Pence, the country’s COVID czar, will have to defend the Trump Admn’s handling of COVID.

      A reminder that Pence should still be quarantining on Wednesday, per the CDC’s guidelines: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/quarantine.html

      “’There is no way under the sun that Pence should be anywhere but in his home,’ said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, an infectious disease expert at Harvard University, in a statement to the New York Times. ‘He was sitting in a sea of people with Covid; there is no way he should go anywhere.’” Presumably she’s referring to the number of people in Trump’s orbit who’ve tested positive in the last week, including people at Coney Barrett’s nomination. Pence was sitting directly in front of Sen. Lee, who tested positive, and near Melania Trump, Kellyanne Conway, and Sen. Tillis, who tested positive. The more dangerous time was likely at the indoor reception afterwards. Presumably Pence also had direct contact with Trump.

      Will Pence act responsibly and debate Harris remotely, via video?
      Or will he be irresponsible, like Trump?
      Will Harris agree to debate Pence in person and thereby risk exposing herself? Seems unwise, especially when she’s in close contact with Biden, who is older, which puts him at greater risk.

      1. “At Wednesday’s debate, V.P. Pence, the country’s COVID czar, will have to defend the Trump Admn’s handling of COVID.”

        It was far better than Biden’s idea NOT to ban Chinese travelers entry.

        Biden is not a leader. His answer to one of the most important questions was, para phrasing, I can’t answer that because it would cause controversy. That is what the left calls a leader?

        1. Allan tries to deflects from the fact that Pence was exposed to multiple people who’ve tested positive and he should be quarantining, not flying off to debate anyone.

          Allan uses another of his go-to attack tactics: substituting his own distorted paraphrase and criticizing the paraphrase instead of what the person really said.

          1. Anonymous thinks the entire country should be in lockdown. He prefers to starve to death rather than run the risk of getting Covid and surviving. He should self isolate and let those in the low risk group be free to work, something I am sure Anonymous abhors.

            People like Anonymous have shown our enemies our vulnerabilities. They look at the yellow strip of Cowardice and can figure out how to get the upper hand. They already have that with Biden as Biden has sold America out for money. The IP sold to the Chinese government and Chinese air-force by Biden junior makes their threat to Americans that much greater.

            1. As I said earlier, Allan likes to imagine how people act and then he criticizes them for it. It’s one of his go-to dishonest attack tactics. He’s demonstrating it again here.

              1. In your case Anonymous one doesn’t guess how you act. Duplicity and dishonesty are your hallmark. It starts with your phony name. I have backed up everything I said and you are defenseless because of your dishonesty.

                1. Hahahaha!

                  Allan says that Trump’s “doctors gave the OK” for Trump’s joyride yesterday and then admits “I didn’t hear it from his doctors”, but insists “I have backed up everything I said”.

                  Allan treats his imagination like the gospel, saying things like “Anonymous thinks the entire country should be in lockdown. He prefers to starve to death rather than run the risk of getting Covid and surviving”.

                  Over and over, Allan says that people think something they haven’t said and then criticizes them for it. It’s one of his go-to dishonest attack tactics. He’s demonstrating it again here.

                  1. There is nothing wrong with stating what was said openly. I don’t hide under an anonymous name to blame others for my mistakes. My name remains unchanged from the day I got here. You are duplicitous. Over and over again Anonymous criticized risking Covid to preserve economic activity. That was a reversal of position when Anonymous said that the Chinese travel ban was bad or xenophobic.

    5. First, apologize to President Trump and the American people for supporting the Democrat/Russia collusion coup. Then and only then should we move on to your next disastrous, false allegation. We may even find a moment for this bs.

        1. Karen,
          If you really think about it, Democrats and their MSM allies are the ones that have taken up residency in the heads of the American people. They are the ones that have controlled the narrative by first inflicting the Russiagate hoax on us and then piling on one bogus allegation after another. We have facts and evidence that prove everything President Trump said was true and yet this 4 year nightmare is allowed to go unaddressed in the media. The President and Republicans should do a media blackout on every other topic and only talk about the Russiagate scandal. They should open every press briefing with this topic and pump the facts and evidence. If the media wants to ask questions about anything else, they should turn it back to Russiagate. Pence and Trump should do it in the debates.

    6. I am waiting for your equal chastisement of Pelosi and Feinstein for not wearing masks. To be fare, ones critisicing should be directed at all offenders equally. To some, fare is just a place where pigs go to win blue ribbons. Some are just more interested in the following slaughter. By the way, we are still waiting for a detailed medical exam for Biden. Perhaps you could suggest a long list of medical questions similar to the list you devised for Trump. Did I mention fare.

  10. OT:

    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/reps-tulsi-gabbard-thomas-massie-introduce-bipartisan-resolution-defending-free

    “Reps. Tulsi Gabbard & Thomas Massie Introduce Bipartisan Resolution Defending the Free Press & Call For Charges Against Julian Assange To Be Dropped”

    October 2, 2020 Press Release

    Excerpt:

    Washington, DC—Today, Reps. Tulsi Gabbard (HI-02) and Thomas Massie (KY-04) introduced H.Res.1175, a resolution that defends the freedom of the press, noting that newsgathering activities and news organizations ability to acquire and publish information are protected under the First Amendment. The resolution calls for the United States to drop all charges and efforts to extradite Julian Assange.

    “Freedom of the press is a vital function of a free democracy in which the government is accountable to the people. Julian Assange published information that exposed lies and abuses of power at the highest levels of our government. His indictment under the Espionage Act sends a chilling message to every member of the media and all Americans,” said Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. “U.S. government prosecutors now claim that any journalist or news organization that publishes classified material is liable to prosecution under the Espionage Act — which would have led to the indictment of the Washington Post for the publication of the Pentagon Papers. The Federal government’s prosecution of Julian Assange sets a dangerous precedent. All extradition efforts and charges under the Espionage Act against Julian Assange must be dropped now.”

      1. That is why you are last in line. You can’t think ahead and that is why you agreed with another that Manhattan was a city.

  11. “Trump, Covid and empathy for the world’s least empathetic man”

    Robert Reich

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/04/trump-covid-hospital-sympathy-decency

    Excerpt:

    Whether responding to Trump’s hospitalization this weekend or to Trump’s larger political maneuvers, Democrats want to act decently and nicely, to take the high road and be fair. They want to protect democratic norms, values and institutions.

    This is admirable. It’s also what Democrats say they stand for.

    But the other side isn’t playing the same game. Trump and his enablers will do anything to retain and enlarge their power.

    It’s possible to be sympathetic toward Trump this weekend while acknowledging that he is subjecting America to a moral test.

    What kind of society does the nation want: one based on decency and democracy, or on viciousness and raw power?

    -Robert Reich

        1. I guess you don’t have a point. That makes sense. After calling Manhattan a city you want to keep your mouth shut.

          1. “After calling Manhattan a city you want to keep your mouth shut.” – Allan

            That was someone else, Allan.

            As for the point of my posting, above? A smart guy like you ought to be able to figure it out.

            1. Anonymous, you keep saying someone else screwed up, not you. It is clear you can’t take responsibility for your errors.

              One has to laugh at Anonymous with such a weak ego that makes it have to lie.

              lol

              1. Anon, above, to Allan:

                “That was someone else, Allan.”

                Allan’s response?

                Anon has “a weak ego” and has “to lie.”

                Wow. What a stand-up guy this Allan is.

                1. “One has to laugh at Allan”

                  You aren’t laughing. You are whining. Just look at all your posts excusing your ignorance and justifying your being. One can only look in pity and laugh at your antics.

  12. Trump just went out in a car to wave at supporters outside the hospital. He’s positive for Covid and is choosing to put the driver and the security detail in the car with him at unnecessary risk in order to feed his ego.

    The WSJ reports that Trump had positive test earlier on Thursday that he didn’t disclose, and he personally told an advisor to keep their positive test secret.

    He’s released another video. He says he’s “learned a lot about COVID” and now he “gets it”. Why has it taken him this long to learn, when so many have been harmed and even died?

      1. He had the driver and security detail get into an enclosed space with an infectious patient (him) for political theater. Trump shows just how little he values them that he’d put their health at risk for no reason.

        1. First, apologize to President Trump and the American people for supporting the Democrat/Russia collusion coup. Then and only then will we move on to your next disastrous, false allegation. We may even find a moment for this bs.

          1. Allan says:

            “Mike you are just demonstrating an ignorance formerly left for Anonymous the stupid.”

            https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1312937183561609216

            Jonathan Turley said:

            “One of my colleagues at the Medical School (and an attending physician at Walter Reed) has called out President Trump for his ordering the Secret Service to drive him in a sealed car for a photo op. He is clearly right.”

            1. That is your ideological opinion which is worthless. Had Obama done it you would have crawled on your belly praising his fortitude. Trump had the green light from the doctors treating him. You are a Cowardly Fool.

              1. Over and over, Allan claims that people believe something they haven’t said and then criticizes them for it. It’s one of his go-to dishonest attack tactics.

                Allan also imagines that “Trump had the green light from the doctors treating him” because he finds it convenient for his argument.

                Allan is the Fool here.

                1. Your agreement with mike demonstrated that you thought Manhattan was a city. You made a fool of yourself then and are making a fool of yourself now by trying to run away from it and even worse you blame it on your alter-ego.

                  Trump’s doctors stated that he had a green light. I am only repeating what was stated in the news. If you wish to state the opinions of those not treating him go ahead. You will find plenty of ideologues willing to compromise their ethics.

        2. Turns out I’m not the only one who sees it as political theater.

          Dr. James P. Phillips, MD, GWU Emergency Medicine | Walter Reed Attending
          “Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential “drive-by” just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity. That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.”

            1. The GWU blurb on Phillips says “Dr. Phillips lectures and researches several topics, most notably Healthcare Workplace Violence, Disaster and Counterterrorism Medicine, and Tactical (SWAT) Medicine. … He is a 2014 graduate of the Harvard Disaster Medicine and Emergency Management Fellowship, and was the first Director of Counterterrorism Medicine as faculty in that Fellowship. He functioned as a Tactical Physician for the MA State Police SWAT Team for three years. In 2017 he was selected as a Fellow in the Emerging Leaders in Biosecurity Initiative at the Center for Health Security in the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.”

              I bet he has a better handle on the medical reality here than you do.

              1. As I said some people are unable to separate their ideology from reality. We have seen an overabundance of that.

                  1. That is true because the statement deserved repeating and so does Manhattan is not a city. Crackpots come with many names, Anonymous, Anonymous and Anonymous. Such foolishness. My ribs might start to hurt after laughing at you so hard.

                    1. Seems Anonymous is so weak-minded it has to play both parts and keeps saying the other Anonymous said Manhattan was a city. Now he calls me a doofus because he doesn’t know the difference between a borough and a city. Next thing Anonymous will say is that Brooklyn is a state. What an uneducated pair of fools it is.

              2. “I bet he has a better handle on the medical reality here than you do.” -Mark to Allan

                And Allan replied: “As I said some people are unable to separate their ideology from reality.”

                Jonathan Turley said:

                “One of my colleagues at the Medical School (and an attending physician at Walter Reed) has called out President Trump for his ordering the Secret Service to drive him in a sealed car for a photo op. He is clearly right.”

                I guess that Jonathan Turley can’t “separate [his] ideology from reality,” either, according to Allan.

                https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1312937183561609216

                1. ““One of my colleagues at the Medical School …. I guess that Jonathan Turley can’t “separate [his] ideology from reality,” either, “”

                  Anonymous can’t even get this right. In this sentence Turley was discussing what his colleague said not what Turley said. Typical for Anonymous.

        3. They are his security team and who do you think took him there in the first place? some helicopter pilot and the very same SS detail.

          You’re a fool and a fake mike m. spouting these patently irrational Democrat talking points

          we grow tired of these lies, let’s vote already, and see how that goes.

          then, pay back is gonna be a beeeeeeeech, come what may

    1. How do you know what the risk is? You don’t. By the way, the doctors get lot closer. When will you guys stop making things up?

      1. Why do you keep playing their game? They have been wrong over and over without ever being held to account. What will it be tomorrow?

        1. They will be wrong tomorrow and wrong forever. Intellectually they are deficient but they also lack the ability to separate truth from fiction. I’m interested in that. A substantial number of Americans are foolish just like them, so their voices as foolish as they are, have to be heard. Nothing seems to alter their direction. I’ve dealt with this kind of foolishness but this group is a different breed, perhaps because of the anonymity the blog offers. We can see that some need more protection than an alias and resort to a group name. Others have chosen to change their names over and over again even using more than one. Only a few take one alias.

          You are probably right, but at the present I will continue the same. We have bright spots but they seem to come only from one side of the aisle.

          1. Allan,
            I used to believe it was important to counter their lies with facts and evidence. That doesn’t work. False allegations are never removed from the narrative and then another is added. That’s appeasement, which never works. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

            Before long, the main narrative is nothing but the accumulated false allegations against this President, his administration, his followers and Conservatives. This cycle has to end.

            1. Olly, these things will never change. The ones we are dealing with do not know what accomplishment is. One of them seems to have a better skill set in writing but without the ability to think that is lost. All of them treat politics like baseball hoping their team wins. They have no principles and respond mostly with gotcha’s or blind loyalties where principle can be reversed in a moment’s notice.

              1. I know Allan. Think about this. Turley has provided a forum with an international reach. Why don’t Conservatives on this blog post one message that is repeated on every thread. I would suggest it be about Russiagate. We have the facts and evidence. We don’t allow any post by Turley to discuss anything else. Just like this:

                First, apologize to President Trump and the American people for supporting the Democrat/Russia collusion coup. Then and only then will we move on to your next disastrous, false allegation. We may even find a moment for this bs.

                1. I doubt that anyone of any consequence pays much attention, if any, to the comments. People read JT. They don’t give two hoots about what OLLY and Allan think.

                  1. They don’t give two hoots about what OLLY or Allan or Arty or John…or any of the other frequent commenters think. IMHO.

                    1. Are you looking to make a record of the number of posts made ? Is that why you repeat yourself?

                  2. Anonymous doesn’t think. Anyone can look back and find only foolish comments that are meaningless.

                    What a foolish person.

                2. I agree with you Olly. You should do it. Conservatives need to be more aggressive and cohesive without sacrificing personal principles.

            2. Olly, you got it. The cycle will end when we resolve political differences through sufficient organization to win the incipient civil war. Right now we need to understand that is inevitable. If we can organize grassroots to survive it we may be able to support legitimate political leadership as a rally point, and show enough strength that we peel off a number of elites to help build and finance the infrastructure of a future situation that has resolved some of the present difficulties.

              Remember one day the USSR looked very mighty. But it was unsustainable. Economics always matters and economics is based on people and how they interact, or not.
              If you think the USSR was unsustainable but the US is not, well, consider that our national debt outstrips the USSR’s by a wide mile.

              And then it fractured very quickly. At our position now, we can see how some people were ready for it to go bye bye.

              Now a lot of American hotshots didn’t see it coming. CIA did not see it coming and that was their job

              america’s debt is perhaps sustainable for reasons that did not apply to the USSR, but consider that it is titanic, nonetheless

              https://www.justfacts.com/news_national_debt_breaks_record_highest_portion_economy#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20national%20debt%20has,widespread%20conflict%20in%20world%20history.

              one never knows what other factors may come into play

              maybe covid-20 will be a lot more lethal than covid 19 eh?

              1. “Remember one day the USSR looked very mighty. But it was unsustainable.”

                Kurtz, even though things can turn around we have to remember the pain and suffering that took place during the time span that the Soviet Union threatened the world.

                1. You both might be interested in this from Rod Dreher. If you are familiar with his book The Benedict Option, this furthers his point given where we find ourselves politically. I haven’t received my copy yet, but my guess is will be a good read.

                  Dreher’s new book, Live Not by Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents, seeks out examples of Christian resistance to totalitarian government like the kind Dreher fears will be arriving in America soon enough. He encounters survivors and hears tales of martyrs from the Christian resistance to communism among Eastern Bloc countries during the Cold War. He organizes the book into two parts. The first offers a diagnosis of the post-Christian, progressive West, and its capacity for a “soft” totalitarianism less direct but every bit as repressive as the “hard” totalitarianism of communism. The second part instructs his readers on how to cope under the coming soft totalitarianism. If one is, in the phrase he borrows from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, “to live not by lies,” then one must keep the faith, value the truth, cultivate cultural memory, preserve the Christian family, establish a network of friends, and ready oneself for suffering. At all times, Dreher insists, one must “see, judge, act” in a Christian fashion that is both authentic and prudent.
                  https://lawliberty.org/book-review/soft-totalitarianism-coming-or-going/?utm_source=LAL+Updates&utm_campaign=16f91c8899-LAL_Daily_Updates&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_53ee3e1605-16f91c8899-72413845

                  1. i have read a few of rod’s essays recently. I like this stuff but I am a lot less Christian than he is.

  13. Kellyanne Conway’s daughter Claudia has now tested positive for Covid. Claudia wasn’t at the Rose Garden ceremony, but her mom probably got infected there (along with a bunch of other people there who’ve since tested positive), and she transmitted it to her daughter.

    1. The ceremony was in the open air. It’s rather unlikely any of them were infected there.

      Her grisly brat may have a disagreeable bout of a flu-like illness. That’s it.

      1. There was an indoor reception after the outdoor announcement, doofus. You think it’s just coincidence that at least eight of the attendees are now infected.

        1. The genius that doesn’t know how masks work and doesn’t know how to find his way from Manhattan City to NYC. Geography was his major and he is now finding out Manhattan is a borough not a city.

            1. Anonymous was talking about the virus and has demonstrated that he has little true knowledge about the virus. What he has is negligible and not helpful. He was calling someone a doofus regarding the virus. My comment is not a deflection but an evaluation of his competence.

              The Manhattan story just demonstrates his ignorance. He wanted to score off another so he agreed with a post that said Manhattan was a city. It just spotlights the lack of intelligence Anonymous possesses and his dumb desire to score.

  14. I am tired of playing cat and mouse with an arrogant and ignorant person who pretends to know a lot about masks and the meta studies.

    Anonymous, your absolute ignorance is astounding and your tightly closed brain means that you will never learn. I will provide one source from the WHO 2019. I have gone through multiple other issues with you guys and if I wished could do the same with almost all of them. I don’t speak out of ignorance and neither does John. You are a sorry group of uninformed people.

    “OVERALL RESULT OF EVIDENCE ON FACE MASKS 1. Ten RCTs were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

    “Quality of evidence
    There is a moderate overall quality of evidence that face masks do not have a substantial effect on transmission of influenza.”

    You might think that the WHO is the only source, it isn’t and I don’t rely solely on this report. You rely on left wing hit pieces that do not deal with the truth, but you are unable to learn even when this type of thing happens over and over again.

    https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/9789241516839-eng.pdf?ua=1

    1. SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a form of the flu. If you want to understand the effectiveness of masks for reducing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, look at the studies that focus on SARS-CoV-2.

      1. Your point is?

        Go ahead and look at those studies. Tell us what you glean from them.
        Tell us how the studies were done and whether they are accurate or not.

        Why should the masks ability to prevent viral spread be different between the flu and Covid?

        Let’s stop with the BS.

        For months you have been wrong about masks. When did you suddenly become an expert?

        1. Allan likes to order people around. Allan clearly can’t tell the anonymous apart.

          1. Anonymous the Stupid I don’t have to tell everyone apart. I only have to know who you are.

            By the way you have been wrong on masks and virtually every other thing where you disagreed. You can’t stand the fact that you are Stupid. You probably were born that way.

            1. Allan is a case study in projection. Of course, projection is just one of Allan’s problems, but one has to start somewhere.

              1. You like the word projection and use it a lot. You also misuse the word, but what should one expect from Anonymous the Stupid.

                    1. Yep, as it’s been said, Allan’s thick as a brick. And stupid, too — a quality he projects onto others.

                  1. Allan-Jethro Bodine could take Estovir’s very good advice:

                    Estovir says — to Allan:

                    “NB: please walk away from the internet for a week. Unplug. Your behaviors on here fighting phantasms are really concerning.”

                    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/10/02/talk-about-a-war-on-christmas-cnn-thrills-with-airing-of-disgraceful-secret-taping-of-first-lady/comment-page-3/#comment-2008795

                    ..but he won’t. He’ll keep prattling until his bedtime and he’ll be at it again, all week…

                    1. Anonymous will latch onto anything. That usher problem. It doesn’t even have to make sense.

                      lol

                    2. Allan said: “That usher [sic] problem. It doesn’t even have to make sense.”

                      Too funny, Allan.

                      As for unplugging? That makes perfect sense. To most people, but not the blow boy, Allan.

                    3. The word was “other.” So says Allan. Are you sure about that, buddy?

                      I think Allan’s into the sauce, tonight. lol

                      I’m certainly not embarrassed. Maybe Allan is.

                      Maybe it’s time for Allan to “unplug” as Estovir suggested.

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