Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified notes of former CIA Director John Brennan showing that he briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s alleged “plan” to tie then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia as “a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server.” My interest in this story is not simply the serious underlying allegation but the lack of coverage by major networks or media outlets. This was clearly released at this time for political purposes, but that does not make it a non-story. We have often discussed concerns over the active effort by many in the media to downplay stories that would either help President Donald Trump or hurt the Democrats in the upcoming elections. This would seem such a case. Whether this is true or a complete fabrication, it should be major news. In the meantime, the responses from Clinton allies have not addressed the substance of the document and have simply dismissed the entire story as groundless.
Brennan’s handwritten notes would seem extremely serious on their face. It certainly indicates that Brennan considered the issue sufficiently serious to brief the President of the United States on July 28th. The notes state
“We’re getting additional insight into Russian activities from [REDACTED]. . . CITE [summarizing] alleged approved by Hillary Clinton a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service.”
There is also a notation reading “Any evidence of collaboration between Trump campaign + Russia” and margin references to “JC,” “Denis,” and “Susan.” If Brennan thought this was serious enough to brief the President, shouldn’t the media consider this sufficiently serious to investigate and report?
While it would be dangerous to release documents without redactions, there is an obvious value to understanding the truth about these briefings and the underlying allegations.
This release further supports a newly-declassified document with the Senate Judiciary Committee revealing that, in September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral on Hillary Clinton purportedly approving “a plan concerning U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections” in order to distract the public from her email scandal.
When asked about this referral involving a candidate for the presidency, then-FBI Director James Comey insisted that it “didn’t ring a bell.”
Once again, my initial interest is in the utter blackout on the story. This would seem a major story regardless of the ultimate findings. If these notes have been fabricated or misrepresented, it would show a breathtaking effort to lie to the voters before the election. If these notes are genuine, it would indicate that the FBI was aware of an effort by the Democratic presidential candidate to tag Trump with a Russian collusion scandal. We know that Clinton’s campaign funded the Steele dossier and that Steele shopped the dossier with the media to try to generate coverage to influence the election.
Throughout the campaign, and for many weeks after, the Clinton campaign denied any involvement in the creation of the dossier that was later used to secure a secret surveillance warrant against Trump associates during the Obama administration. Journalists later discovered that the Clinton campaign hid the payments to Fusion as a “legal fees” among the $5.6 million paid to the law firm. New York Times reporter Ken Vogel at the time said that Clinton lawyer Marc Elias had “vigorously” denied involvement in the anti-Trump dossier. When Vogel tried to report the story, he said, Elias “pushed back vigorously, saying ‘You (or your sources) are wrong.’” Times reporter Maggie Haberman likewise wrote: “Folks involved in funding this lied about it, and with sanctimony, for a year.” Even when Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta was questioned by Congress on the matter, he denied any contractual agreement with Fusion GPS. Sitting beside him was Elias, who reportedly said nothing to correct the false information given to Congress.
Later, confronted with the evidence, Clinton and her campaign finally admitted that the dossier was a campaign-funded document that was pushed by Steele and others to the media.
Making things worse is the fact that we know know American intelligence flagged Steele’s main source as a Russian agent and warned that the dossier was suspected of containing Russian disinformation from Russian intelligence agencies.
Yet, even with this latest disclosure in Brennan’s own writing, we hear the familiar sound of crickets. It seems that journalism is suspended until after the election when reporters might be allowed a modicum of curiosity on such stories.
“in order to distract the public from her email scandal.”
I find it hard to believe that people didn’t consider this as a potential distraction until now. They believed all sorts of crazy things, Golden Showers, but didn’t think about the possibility of a dirty political action? All of this makes the conspiracy theories regarding not pis.sing off Hillary more realistic.
The proof is in the pudding. Where da pudding at?
Wapo hasn’t covered it as news at all. The only treatment is on the opinion page, where some guy presents the Strozk & Brennan line that there were Trump Russian contacts so this was just political stuff, no reason for law enforcement involvement at all. So, why brief the POTUS about it and take notes?
We’ve had proof of this plot for years. This is MORE proof, but we hardly needed “more proof” to indict these criminals. Where’s Barr? He needs to spit out his bagpipes and do his job for a change. But I think most of us know better than to expect that to happen…
Hey Now: There is no HAM SANDWICH here! The media still believes there is no Ham and the bread is past stale, It’s moldy!
They can’t sell the truth. Lies pay the bills.
Do you mean “lack of media coverage” like this?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/brennan-ratcliffe-declassifying-intelligence-clinton-russia/index.html
That’s not covering the news. That’s presenting the Democratic Party response to the news, so that the echo chamber remains intact.
It isn’t a lack of curiousity on the part of most of the media, let’s be honest and call it what it is. A full fledged assist to the democrats – as usual – they are not journalists, they are willing propagandists for their home team.
When will enough honest “democrats” desist from membership in what has become a thug run machine whose sole purpose is the accumulation of power and not the benefice of the citizens who blindly support them?
Mr. Turley: You are suggesting that Brennan’s notes could be a “complete fabrication”?? By whom? Brennan himself? Trump?
Anything is possible – but we have not heard any denials that any of the recently declassified information is valid. The most we have heard is Strzok claiming his notes were altered. So testify and lets establish what those alterations are.
Regardless, establishing that these documents are real is not likely hard.
Establishing whether they are accurate – i.e. Was the intelligence correct would normally be harder.
That said it was credible enough for Brennan to brief Comey, and Obama.,
I would note that briefing Obama is a huge deal.
To be clear there is nothing inherently wrong with briefing the president.
But it makes clear that Obama was informed and involved from mid July 2016 forward (likely much earlier).
Sullivan is making a huge deal about the fact that Sydney Powell talked with Trump.
Sullivan seems clueless about the separation of powers. Trump is the president. He is the font of power in the exectutive
He can demand information or even involve himself in any action of the executive. He can meet with whoever he wishes and he can enquire or direct DOJ as he wishes.
As a rule we prefer to pretend that the branches of the executive are “independent” – but that is a myth with no constitutional foundation.
Exposing Obama’s involvement makes it clear that the President CAN be involved. Whether he SHOULD is a different question.
One of the problems with the entire mess that was the Obama DOJ/FBI/CIA is that there was massive misconduct, but very little of it is actually illegal.
That is also why it needs deeply investigated – because it is clear we need laws to address this.
Meanwhile:
“In the Sept. 23 letter, obtained and published Tuesday evening by USA Today, Dr. Foege, who served as director of the C.D.C. under former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, called on the current director, Dr. Robert R. Redfield, to admit to the administration’s failures or risk presiding over the ruin of the public health agency’s reputation, and his own….”
Foege’s letter notes the ruining of the CDC’s former reputation as the world’s preeminent institution for research and combating of pandemics to now tarnished failure due to the administration’s politicalization as well as it’s failure to devise a federal response with instead the chaos of 50 state responses.
The letter, meant to be personal, is alarming.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7222830-Foege-Letter.html
Geez, if you’re handle is correct “Seattle” you have more to be concerned about then COVID19.
Lets solve the problem completely by eliminating the CDC.
There is no provisions for the CDC in the constitution.
Public health is the domain of the states.
John Say must have skipped over the Preamble to the Constitution:
“”We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.””
Meanwhile, the failure of Trump to establish clear federal policy and instead subbing it out to Governors to fight it out over resources – and fight it out with him over his own guidelines on wearing masks etc – has led to our being 4% of the world’s population with 25% of the cases and 22% of the deaths. That’s a failure of epic proportions, given our resources and medical facilities.
Foege – a clear expert on fighting disease – spells this all out in his letter.
John has the Constitution just right. Joe Friday apparently doesn’t know what Federalism is nor does he understand why the rights of the Federal Government were defined leaving the rest of the rights to the States and the People.
You really believe that Brazil, Mexico, China, Thailand, etc. are doing as much to test Covid 19 and diagnose Covid 19 deaths?
China’s numbers are fake. Their health system is horrible. I would not know much about Mex and Brazil but one imagines not a lot.
Thailand has a pretty robust public health system from what i have read, by comparison
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1746289/thailands-healthcare-ranked-sixth-best-in-the-world
China promises universal health care and delivers nothing real. You have to pay cash bribes to the doctor to get anything done
Thailand promises UHC and reports say, they pretty much deliver. At least the basics.,
Kurtz, I am universally dubious about data from much of the world. Even comparions between Europe and the US are complex – because we do not define terms the same.
There is still reasons to ponder. The US has the worst Vitamin D deficiency in the world – with much of the west close behind.
Maybe differences between the west and other countries are the poor systems elsewhere. Maybe they are differences like Vitamin D – maybe both.
There are only two studies i am aware of on Vitamin D. But both are good beyond belief. Really – a 50% Intensive care rate versus 1%, a 12% death rate vs. 0% – that looks better than the miracle cure Trump has been looking for.
Why are there only 2 studies ? And Why only after almost a year. There has been excellent reason to test Vitamin D from very very very early on.
If Vitiman D proves to be 1/10 as good as the recent tests we are seeing the worst case of global health malpractice in human history.
To use the language of the left – DEFUND the CDC, the FDA the NIH, and the WHO.
Vitamin D is important and helps prevent catching the covid. That’s clear enough already. Let them study it more. The funding of studies is a politicized matter and that we saw play out in the failure to properly analyze hcq + zinc + zpac prophylactic therapy. now from the Detroit study we have a clearer picture. That took way too long, because the establishment was politicized against it.
I can’t join with you in abolishing all these alphabet soup agencies. I think they serve legitimate functions. However poorly! They need better staff for sure.
Why is it that you constantly trot out the same arguments as communists.
It has failed everywhere it has been tried.
Yes, yes, but THIS TIME we will get it right.
I would challenge you to find a single example of an instance where in a proactive (regulatory) measure government has EVER altered a trend.
There is no doubt our water is cleaner today then in the past, our air, or myriads of other things that are claimed as benefits of government.
But these and myriads of others all started before government stepped in and did not improve faster after.
In many many many instances we are demonstrably worse off.
The FDA is an absolute disaster.
Currently it costs $2B to develope a new medicine in the US – nearly all of that regulatory costs.
That means that NOTHING will ever have a treatment that can not cost justify a $2B upfront cost.
There are myriads of medical problems that could easily be solved that will never result in $2B in revenue.
Those are unlikely to ever happen.
That is DEAD PEOPLE. There is probably no government agency responsible for more deaths than the FDA.
But we do not see the lives that would have been saved or improved if developing new drugs was easier.
Sorry Kurtz, you do not fix this. You will never permanently get better staff or whatever fix you think is needed.
You might succeed briefly – but the incentives for govenrment agentcies are completely wrong – and that is a fundimental issue you can not fix.
It is precisely why communism fails and always will – the incentives are wrong and you can not change that.
It’s pretty easy to see how regulations have fixed a lot of problems.
FDA is one of them. Let’s go back to Upton Sinclair’s time. wait, skip it, how about we be like the wild west of China where there is no FDA essentially, whatever their lying fake supposed government officials say, the reality of factory production of food there, is it’s unbridled primitive capitalism, and they had some pretty awful incidents of food adulteration that sickened tens of thousands of people. I think the worst thing was baby formula with melamine additive. case in point for why real non-corrupt and reasonable agency action is in the best interests of society. Clean food. Duh!
the best thing you can say against FDA style food regulations, is that food regulations increase the price of food. that is true. It is slight but there is always a certain price to pay for legal compliance regimes. That might be a problem in china, but it isn’t here. so why worry.
Im not going to waste any more energy on the subject, i wasted a lot of breath on it when i was a liberterian, now I am old enough to see the whys of such agencies very clearly, and the fact that it is forcing something on somebody doesn’t bother me in the slightest bit. The “non-agression principle” is a fantasy applicable only to utopian daydreaming.
You are aware that Upton Sinclairs “The Jungle” was about as accurate as the reporting Janet Cooke returned her pulitzer for.
As to China – there is no FDA, it is the wild wild west, and yet the life expectancy is nearly the same as in the US and has been rising dramatically over the past 40 years.
I do not question that bad things happen in Chinese food production – they also happen here though more rarely.
But the problems in China are about the same as in the US at the time our standard of living was the same as that of China.
Regardless life expectance in china is about 75, in the US it is 78 For a country with 1/3 our standard of living and a pretty shitty healthcare system that is poisoning people all the time – that is pretty good.
What i can say regarding FDA food regulation is that it is entirely unnecessary.
Upton sinclair changed nothing.
Things were not as he described and they did not improve because of the creation of the FDA.
BTW to an intelligent person it should be OBVIOUS things were not as described – even in Sinclairs time life expectancy was RISING not falling.
The actual big deal at the time was that food was moving from local to interstate, that dramatically lowered costs and made meat available to far more people, but it took time to work through completely safely transporting meat hundreds of miles.
We had similar problems a few decades later with milk. A big deal was made of homeginzation and pasteurization, but the big deal was more reliable refridgeration and transport.
Today I can buy food of all kinds in season and out from all over the world often cheaper than what is produced in the farm next door.
The FDA had nothing to do with that. At sometimes of year a significant portion of what I eat comes from countries that have no FDA – and yet I am doing fine. As are you.
I would not waste your energy on this subject – it is a loser for you.
If you were once a libertarian – you were not well informed. You actually tried to cite upton sinclair.
Many efforts were made to verify any parts of “the jungle” at the time – nothing was true.
Does it surprise you ? Why would you expect more intergrity from the left a hundred years ago ?
You keep saying you were once libertarain. Yet you make arguments no reasonably knowledgeable libertarain would.
And for all my complaints regarding you – you are usually far better informed than the left wing nuts here.
There are lots of arguments for just about anything government wishes to do.
There is nothing wrong with communism – as an idea. It just does not work.
You accuse me of being utopian – I am not the one selling pipe dreams that never deliver and then pretending they have.
I fully grasp that coming up with a rationale for regulation is trivial. But in the real world they never work. Communism does not work, nor does regulation. There are actuall strong reasons – beyond merely bad incentives that it can not. One of the more fundimental is the same as that reason for limited government:
Government scales exponentially. Pass laws that reflect what 90% of us would do without government and the cost to enforce is negligable, but the more laws you pass and the further they get from what people will automatically know and obey the higher the cost of enforcement. You end up with two choices – very limited enforcement, which results in weak adherance to the law and weakening of the actual rule of law, or harsh enforcement and great expense. In the US we typically opt for poor enforcement – then we impose the law arbitrarily and politically to punish enemies, and when the laws fail – because people do not obey laws that are not enforced – we pass a new law saying “we really really mean it”.
Libertarains did not create this flaws in the state – they are intrinsic.
And we should always heed the lesson of Eric Garner – when you pass a law it is ultimately imposed by FORCE.
It you are not prepared to have men with guns ENFORCE your law against selling loose cigarettes – do not pass it.
If you are not prepared to kill someone who will not obey some trivial law and refuses to back down – do not pass it.
With this defund the police nonsense we here nonsense from the left about “people should not die over …” followed by whatever the last minor violation of the law there was. Grow up – Government is FORCE. If you are not prepared to kill a few people for disobeying the law – do not pass it. We have 900,000 police in the US – anyone who honestly thinks that everyone of them is going to do their job with the least confrontation and force possible is NUTS. I support lots of police reform – but I do not honestly expect the police to suddenly become miracle workers. To know precisely when to use a taser rather than a gun all the time. Police will make mistakes enforcing laws.
The solution is less laws.
Most people are very bothered when unjustifiable force is used on them.
You rant quite properly here about an assortment of abuses of power.
All an abuse of power is, is the use of force without justification.
The fundimental differences between conservatives, libertarians and progressives is their personal views of when force is justified.
For conservatives and progressives justification is ideological.
For libertarians it is either practical or a matter of principle – and most of what both left and right seek to do ideologically fails BOTH practically and principle.
I prefer Kant’s catagorical imperative to the NAP
But you do not need either to grasp that government should not be empowered to do anything that can not be done without government.
Markets are far more efficient and less dangerous.
While there is alot of good to be said of China since Mao died, that does not make China libertopia – only a demonstration that the move towards freedom raises standard of living. Xi is intent on proving that works backwards too.
John, the reason the US life expectancy was rising under laissez faire is the same reason it rose under Deng Xiaoping’s version of it.
Industry not only creates wealth but also increases food production, and those two things together most of all, raise life.
Even unregulated foods, sure, most is ok, and more people can eat then starvation goes away and life goes up
That does not mean that there is no need for an FDA type system. There is a need, private quality certification is active but insufficient
I’m ok forcing companies not to sell toxic products. If I die on poisoned food then none of the ideas matter.
I don’t need to prove my liberterian bona fides to you, I wasted enough of my life on it. Don’t worry about if I am wrong, worry about if I am right.
What could I be right about? Now here’s where we get real. Liberterians can’t win. Their own ideas defeat them.
The political struggle against people that want to totally enslave us. We will not win that by liberterian means; the mafia will beat the tar out of us every time.
Every war in history was fought and won by organized social aggression, not non-aggression. In a nutshell, you have to fight fire with fire.
If we leave the Soroses of the world to do their thing, they will use their money power to utterly buy off political processes and cleverly enslave us.
In the end, it is the collective organization and force of laws and government which is powerful enough to bring his kind to heel, and nothing short of it.
The most “socialist” institution in any society is the army. And yet necessary. Oh not according to some liberterians however! Pie in the sky types
There are now “socialistic” tools on our books which can and should be used to gut him like a fish, legally speaking, and should be done.
I would absolutely use more socialistic tools on cutting some other parasites down to size like using antitrust on Silicon Valley
I would reduce these craven university dogs to their knees with revoking their false nonprofit status and taxing the devil out of them.
I’d let their football players unionize too, that will take some wind out of their sails!
They’d soon come to heel, trust me!
I would use labor law violations ‘creatively” to rectify the big corporations that want to onshore tons of foreign labor
I can think of about 50 things that could be done to punch the bad guys in the nose with legal tools on the books. Why, weak Republicans can’t see the loaded pistols on the table right in front of them? Pick them up and use them! I think it’s because a) Republican party is weak and totally lacks any form of influence inside major bureaucracies b) lingering liberterian claptrap from the Reagan era mentally defeats them again and again. Meanwhile the globalists get richer and richer and stronger, in cahoots with the Fed, and we are reduced to ants before their titanic money power. Oh and hey guess what. You can’t gain influence or control inside bureaucracies by just eliminating them. You have to take over the IRS, the federal courts, the Pentagon, the CIA, etc not get rid of it. Get rid of some of these tools and we would be conquered in atrice. This is obvious. but such obvious things ever evade people who linger on utopian dreams. That’s liberterians
Sure, Laissez fair worked fine for English speaking peoples for a time. Maybe even well! They were suitable for it. Well America is a lot more than Anglo Saxons these days. Other people are not conformed the same way. This is another problem with all forms of voluntarism– they depend on a shared social culture and identity to work well. With all our glorious “diversity,” we are past that now here. Its been taken away and there is no returning to what is lost, there is only survival and decisive victory, or further and further enslavement.
These are things that have been done to us, done to the decent law abiding citizens for decades, fracturing, atomizing, destroying our civil society with one form of government mischief after another. The only answer is to use these very same tools to defend and then rebuild. The nation state itself is the core reality of “socialism” and the people trying to get rid of that are the Soroses of the world. No border, no trade laws, no restrictions on capital, no restrictions on labor! reads like a liberterian fantasy of the future if you understand where some of them were headed. Count me out!
Liberterians will ever whine about demonizing robber barons, upton sinclair was wrong, john galt, whatever. Reality is, politics ever was and always is one organized group vying with the barbarians outside the gates. Or inside, as the case may be. Victory is only ever achieved through organization. The ideologies which atomize us must be avoided and reduced and cohesion among decent law abiding productive people is essential.
Eis Aner, Oudeis Aner
Suggest that you read
https://www.amazon.com/How-China-Became-Capitalist-Coase/dp/1137351438
I would note that most of the improvements in china occured at the margins NOT in “industry”.
Further you have mistaken the cause for rising life expectancy, like most other quality of life issues they rise as standard of living rises NOT as the regulatory state grows.
China’s standard of living is below the US, therefore their life expectancy is below the US.
While the correlation is not perfect it is pretty good.
Regardless, you are also on a tangent.
The fact is that China has no equivalent of the FDA.
“That does not mean that there is no need for an FDA type system. ”
Naked assertion requires proof.
I demonstrated that you can have a high life expectancy without the equivalent of the FDA.
If the food in china was to any sibstantial degree toxic they would not have a high standard of living.
“There is a need, private quality certification is active but insufficient”
Another naked assertion – I say it is so is not sufficient proof to restrict the liberty of others by force.
“I’m ok forcing companies not to sell toxic products.”
Again so what. I have no problem with holding companines accountable for selling toxic products.
The net effect on toxic products is the same – you get punished either way.
I will even through you in jail for poisoning another person.
But I will not allow you to tell another person how to make their product.
You are saying “I am going to restrict your right to make products in some way that I have decided is toxic”
I am saying “If you make a product that harms another you will be held accountable”.
My way offers both greater freedom and greater accountability.
Your way has both less freedom and less accountability.
It is an affirmative defense to Torts that you followed the applicable regulations – even if the outcome harmed another.
You are creating more problems than you are solving.
“If I die on poisoned food then none of the ideas matter.”
Then do not buy food from the companies that you think should be regulated – that is easy enough.
But you are restricting my right and that of others to buy from companies that we are not as fearful of as you.
If I poison myself – my heirs will have a tort claim and the consequences of my choice of places to buy food will fall on me alone.
But your way the consequences both good and bad fall on everyone.
I would also suggest revisting Bastiats “That which is seen and that which is unseen” you claim to have been a past libertarain – you should be able to find it, seems you need a reread.
You fail to grasp the unseen ill effects of regulation. Lost freedom not only means the small possibility that some bad things which are already barred if the actual result in harm, but it bars good things that we can not even imagine.
Trump reduced regulations and that did not result in massive spikes in air polution or a decline in life expectancy.
Obama Passing PPACA did not change life expecancy trends either despite all these idiotic claims of millions of lives being saved of lost.
PPACA made absolutely no beneficial change in our overall health. Neither does the FDA.
“I don’t need to prove my liberterian bona fides to you,”
You already have – if you heard, you did not learn.
I find you quite interesting. A conservative that keeps making arguments that devolve into socialism.
Is the mafia a consequential force today ?
Aside from a blip in the 80’s the crime rate in the US has been historically declining.
Here we are in one of the freest countries in the world and crime is declining.
Seems that increased freedom does not automatically result in an explosion of Mafiosa’s.
“It’s pretty easy to see how regulations have fixed a lot of problems.”
Kurtz, that is a bigger statement than one might initially think. It’s a conclusion based on comparing reality to a dream. That dream is what the left utilizes as argument and that is exactly what you are doing. In the end their dreams never come true except in the most limited sense which isn’t beneficial to all but a few.
How did the purveyors of pharmaceuticals survive before the regulation that we see today? Look at Merck which started off as a pharmacy over 300 years ago. Why did they survive? Reputation. What made them produce better quality? Reputation. What happened with government regulation? Reputation became less important.
John and I have a lot in common though I differ greatly from John in that my beliefs are more fluid than his for what I believe to be good reasons. John probably disagrees but that doesn’t change the way we look at these things. It only changes our end conclusions and management. The reality of the situation impacting our solutions is tiny if existent because those in control won’t even reach my position so our differences are moot.
Kurtz, you are looking at only one side of the coin and have created a dream based on that side. You forgot the other side which is what kills your dreams. John likes to look at it from the vantage point of Bastiat which is a tremendous way to approach things.
What has the FDA brought us? The politicalization of pharmaceuticals and a lot of effort to earn money off of manipulation rather than the creation of good pharmaceuticals. Take a look at the drugs being produced? Everything seems to be geared to the highest price. That might make some of the drugs marginally better at the cost of denying good quality drugs to more people at a lower price. In this case the FDA might be causing a lot of lost lives.
We spend well over $1Billion (maybe $2Billion or even more) to to market a drug in this country. That means we spend $1Billion to market me-to drugs as well. They don’t substantially improve performance. We spend over $1 Billion to take an old drug that cost ~$10 for 100 pills and make it into a new drug for $50-$100 for only a half a dozen while removing the old drug from the market. We watch other countries using safer drugs but have to wait some years before that drug is available in the US even though the drugs being used in the US are dangerous. Is the FDA making sure the drugs are all safe? No. We have seen many drugs being removed from the market after 6 months that were approved by the FDA and considered by the press to be sensational advances. They killed people.
You say:”It’s pretty easy to see how regulations have fixed a lot of problems.”
Did it? Or should we say they fixed a lot of problems while creating new ones?
Don’t get sucked down this CDC rabbit hole.
That is correct – the CDC is a rabbit hole it is through the looking glass. It is alternate reality.
This from a guy who thinks hydrogen peroxide is bleach.
Haversham, hydrogen peroxide is a type of bleach. It is a bleaching agent. Bleach= to whiten.
The chemical compound are different.
H O-O H hydrogen peroxide
Ns O cl sodium hypochlorite active ingredient in Chlorox.
Both are bleaching agents.
So is sunlight and several other bleaching agents.
John, bleaching is whitening something using sunlight or chemicals.
“This from a guy who thinks hydrogen peroxide is bleach.”
Think before you speak. It would be wise if before you write you checked your facts. It prevents bad cases of foot in the mouth disease.
Hydrogen peroxide is bleach. Even sunlight is a bleaching agent.
Here is wikipedia on bleach.
“Bleach is the generic name for any chemical product which is used industrially and domestically to remove color from a fabric or fiber or to clean or to remove stains in a process called bleaching.
Louis Jacques Thénard first produced hydrogen peroxide in 1818 by reacting barium peroxide with nitric acid.[9] Hydrogen peroxide was first used for bleaching in 1882,
Classes of bleaches
Peroxide-based bleaches, whose active agent is oxygen, almost always from the decomposition of a peroxide compound like hydrogen peroxide”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach
If you can not get things like this correct – why should you be trusted on anything ? Especially where you wish to impose your will on others by force ?’
The very least you must do to use force is be correct on the facts.
“. . . CDC’s former reputation as the world’s preeminent institution for research and combating of pandemics . . .”
Name one vaccine, therapeutic medicine, or scientific theory discovered by the CDC. It’s a copy-and-paste agency that, these days, issues guidance du jour.
The CDC is the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, not a drug company or primary research facility, though it does some. Vaccines are being worked on in probably hundreds to thousands of laboratories around the world, while the CDC’s work is supposed to be centered on designing administrative responses and allocating resources effectively. Dr Foege was director from 1977 to 1983 and during his time the CDC was instrumental in eradicating smallpox.
“The CDC ’s initial primary mission was to prevent the spread of malaria and later extended to communicable diseases.”
The CDC flubbed almost all its recent goals. It was not prepared for testing. It did not make sure that the American people were safe from potential pandemics, It didn’t even have a firm fix on the use of masks and other mechanisms to prevent the spread of viral diseases. In the intervening years from Bush it did a lot of things but didn’t spend sufficient time in promoting anti virals to fight viral diseases something the Bush administration was concerned about. It has some great things but when an organization starts involving itself in too many things both home and abroad it spreads itself thin and vulnerable to failure of its primary mission.
Allan, don’t take the CDC/Covid bait.
I have told you over and over that government does not actually succeed at the tasks we give it.
Just eliminate the CDC. It is not necescary.
Private tests were readily available early in this epidemic. CDC actually blocked their use.
The flare up in WA nursing homes was uncovered as a result of a doctor getting private tests done in defiance of the CDC.
John, I won’t argue for the merits of the CDC. What I was saying was that it was set up to manage a singular task. It then grew and grew again. Such expansion of a mission leads to incompetence so whether it ever should have existed or not is not the question. Before Covid came the CDC was too busy doing things it was never intended to do so it didn’t bother worrying about Bush’s fear of a pandemic in the future. When the pandemic came the CDC was totally unprepared and was unable to fulfill the responsibilities the pandemic demanded.
What you say is true.
It is also true of every other government agency.
It is true of everything government does.
It always expands far beyond anything ever intended.
In contrast to John Say’s religious beliefs, the “government” can claim credit for most of our infrastructure, the internet, a higher education system that is still the envy of the world – though we best not go to sleep on that – and which educates millions at average costs that are less than 1/4 of comparable privates, a retirement fund and health insurance that makes destitute older Americans living with children or on the streets a thing of the past, oversees safe foods and consumer products, and of course a national defense that leads the world and won 2 WWs – fortunately D-Day was not assigned to the governors.
“In contrast to John Say’s religious beliefs, the “government” can claim credit for most of our infrastructure, the internet, a higher education system that is still the envy of the world – though we best not go to sleep on that – and which educates millions at average costs that are less than 1/4 of comparable privates, a retirement fund and health insurance that makes destitute older Americans living with children or on the streets a thing of the past, oversees safe foods and consumer products, and of course a national defense that leads the world and won 2 WWs – fortunately D-Day was not assigned to the governors.”
Where do you get this nonsense ?
Roads and bridges in the US were mostly private until Tammny hall got involved with the Brooklyn Bridge – which started completely private.
Our railroads were completely private until government took over failing passanger servce – and passanger service is disasterous.
While the US freight rail system is actually the envy of the world.
Contra Joe most US post secondary education is private – not public. It is more expensive – wrecked over the last 40 years by 4 decades of growing government loan programs that have resulted in post secondary education being ever more expensive and ever poorer in quality.
US college education is still the envy of the world, it is still primarily private but it is ridiculously expensive and declining as a result of government. BTW this is also what destroyed the universities of europe which were once better than the US and now are crap.
US K12 public education has also declined over the same 40 year period – despite a factor of 4 spending increase.
As to this ludicrous claim of the cost of private education – in my state the average High School Student costs about 17K/year.
A cyber charter costs abotu $7K/yr per student and ihas better test scores than most public high schools.
Catholic primary education is about 2500/year – about 1/5th what public education costs – and again scores better than public schools.
Catholic High Schools are about 5K/year – still less than 1/3 what public schools cost. There is a prestigious private school abou ten minutes from me that costs about 75% of what the local public High School does. There is an incredible elite private girls school nearly me that boards students, and has equestrian events and the like and it costs about 25% more than the local public high school.
There is an well respected menonite HS about 20 mintues away – it costs about 1/2 the local HS costs.
And public education costs in my area are relatively cheap – you could easily send students to most elite private boarding schools in the country for what public elementary education costs in DC or NYC.
Joe – you do not know squat about education.
As to this nonsense about the internet. Sorry – the Internet was created based on work done by the MIT Model Railroad club.
To the extent that government did much of anything – it paid for a couple of modems.
Regardless all the hardware was privately developed. All the infrastructure has from the first day to the present been private.
Initially the internet ran over communications lines provided by AT&T but modem and phone based internet were replaced in the 70’s by AGAIN private high speed broad band. Which is what we have through to today. There has never been a time in which the government provided the infrastructure of the internet.
And please do not try to sell either SS or Medicare.
Chile had a completely private Social secutity system – and poor chileans fared much better than ordinary americans.
There is not a single american that would not be much better off if they invested their SS taxes in something incredibly safe like certificates of deposit. Further when they died that would have a nice nest egg to pass on to their children.
As to Medicare – are you talking about the government program that is single handedly responsible for the costs increases in healcare since it was passed ? Contra the left people over 65 were not dying in the streets for lack of healthcare in in65 when it was passed.
Once again look at the trends in life expectancy – there is no abrupt increase in life expectance after Medicare came into being.
In fact the much longer term trend of increasing life expectance slowed after medicare.
Further the real cost of medicare is enormous. Are you really defending Medicare and Social Security as examples of good government ?
An d what is wrong with older americans living with their children. My inlaws lived with me for 15 years. My grandmother lived with my father for 20, and then moved in with his sister. I expect that as I get older that I will be living with my children.
I sure as H311 do not wish to live in a home.
What you are selling is the destruction of families – and you wander why your idelogy is a moral and total failure ?
The internet:
The Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) was the first wide-area packet-switching network with distributed control and one of the first networks to implement the TCP/IP protocol suite. Both technologies became the technical foundation of the Internet. The ARPANET was established by the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) of the United States Department of Defense.[1]
Building on the ideas of J. C. R. Licklider, Bob Taylor initiated the ARPANET project in 1966 to enable access to remote computers.[2] Taylor appointed Larry Roberts as program manager. Roberts made the key decisions about the network design.[3] He incorporated Donald Davies’ concepts and designs for packet switching,[4] and sought input from Paul Baran.[5] ARPA awarded the contract to build the network to Bolt Beranek & Newman who developed the first protocol for the network.[6] Roberts engaged Leonard Kleinrock at UCLA to develop mathematical methods for analyzing the packet network technology.[5]
The first computers were connected in 1969 and the Network Control Program was implemented in 1970.[7][8] Further software development enabled remote login, file transfer and email.[9] The network expanded rapidly and was declared operational in 1975 when control passed to the Defense Communications Agency.
Internetworking research in the early 1970s by Bob Kahn at DARPA and Vint Cerf at Stanford University and later DARPA led to the formulation of the Transmission Control Program,[10] which incorporated concepts from the French CYCLADES project directed by Louis Pouzin.[11] As this work progressed, a protocol was developed by which multiple separate networks could be joined into a network of networks. Version 4 of TCP/IP was installed in the ARPANET for production use in January 1983 after the Department of Defense made it standard for all military computer networking.[12][13]
Access to the ARPANET was expanded in 1981, when the National Science Foundation (NSF) funded the Computer Science Network (CSNET). In the early 1980s, the NSF funded the establishment of national supercomputing centers at several universities, and provided network access and network interconnectivity with the NSFNET project in 1986. The ARPANET project was formally decommissioned in 1990, after partnerships with the telecommunication and computer industry paved the way for future commercialization of a new world-wide network, known as the Internet.[14]
Education – The 30th ranked Univ among publics and privates is the Univ of Florida, which has an enrollment of 45k+ – not messing around – and tuition at $6.4k in state. The 50th ranked Univ of Miami, which has an enrollment of 17K, has tuition at $52k. This typical for state vs private in America. U of F is also a top flight research university with international researchers and students.
Transportation – who built and owns our 49k miles of interstate highways, our 112k miles of non-interstate federal highways, and 4 million miles of state and county roads?
SS and Medicare – if the GOP finally succeeds in ending these, can my parents come live with you?
The Internet:
I was there. Please do not quote history to me that I lived through.
BTW the foundations of Arpanet rest on work done by Von Neuman a decade before.
TCP/IP was and still is used on the internet – and there is nothing wrong with it. but there were other privately developed protocols that would have worked too. SS7 was used by AT&T for a long time prior and the early internet ran over top of it.
No one is knocking the work done – by the MIT model Railroad club initially, and then ARPA, But the conclusion that but for the government it never would have happened is idiocy.
Your cite references BBN – a private company.
The Government has absolutely never had anything to do with the phsyical infrastructure of the internet. It has ALWAYS been completely private. The government has never been the provider of internet services – not to the rest of us not to itself. The vast majoruty of internet protocols were developed entirely priviately – all of them are open source. The work of people all over the world.
Please do not try to sell me government subsidized education as cheap. Someone still pays.
But as you noted UoF is 34th ranked. It is not in the top 10.
I would further note that there is very little difference in actual cost between a public university and a private one today.
I have a son just heading to college – and we have looked at schools costing 70K/year to schools costing 20K/year after room and board (not just tuition) after aid the real costs are very nearly the same. It would cost my Son about the same amount to go to harvard as to something running about 28K/year. The diffences is whether he could get in.
I went to GA Tech for 2 years in the late 70’s out of state tuition was 1800/year – of course that did not cover room and board.
I also attended RPI – a much better school. Tuition was much more expensive, but a tiny fraction of what it cost today.
I paid my loans off in 4 years.
“Transportation – who built and owns our 49k miles of interstate highways, our 112k miles of non-interstate federal highways, and 4 million miles of state and county roads?”
So you create a monopoly and then demand credit ? There are plenty of private roads in the country, they work fine.
In most of the world the roads are entirely private they have been their for centuries.
Did you think before you posted any of this ?
If you want the perfect example of what is wrong with government running anything – you need only look at those things government is most heavily involved in.
In sweden (and much of europe) the Government pays for schools but most of them are private – primary schools in Sweden are better than the US – and far cheaper.
You note that US colleges are the envy of the world – that is still true – but their value has been declining for 5 decades and their cost increasing dramatically over the same period – directly attributable to government student loans.
The left rants about the poor quality and high cost of US medical care. And yet US medical care has not been truly free market since the mid 60’s. What we have is a disasterous mess created by government intervention.
Those areas os medicine that are least touched by government have increased in quality over the same period of time and decreased in cost – such things as Lasik and plastic surgery – not covered by insurance, not impacted significantly by government regulation and today Lasik is only slightly more expensive than a good paid of glasses.
But lets look at other things.
I was married in 1983 I earned Minimum Wage of about $3/hr at the time. I bought a top end amana refridgerator for my first home. That cost me $1300 at the time. That is a bit under 500 hours of work to buy that refridgerator. Today I can buy a far better stainless steel Fridge for about $999 one that is larger has an ice maker, water in the door is more energy efficient, has better shelving and more options and would cost less than 150 hours of MW labor to buy – so it actually costs about 1/4 what one did in 1983.
You can do the same thing with almost every single commodity and service and you will find that nearly everything that you buy today costs less in terms of the number of hours at MW you must work to purchase it. And far less at media wages, and less still at each persons actual wages. Today I can pay for a great fridge with 15 hours of work not 150, not the 500 I had to work in 1983.
Cars, computers, TV;s Milk Gasoline – all are cheaper today in terms of the amount of work you must do to buy them.
But everything is not equally cheaper. Those things that government is most heavily involved in are the ones that are at the greatest likelyhood of actually costing more.
In 1980 Julian Simon wagered Pail Ehrlich that if Ehrlich picked a basket of any ten commodites that in ten years the average cost of the items in that basket would DECREASE
Simon easily won the bet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager
In fact Simon would have would won that bet on almost any 10 commodities on almost any 10 year period.
I will be happy to make almost the same bet with anyone here – pick any 10 products at all – so long as that products are not heavily government subsidized or regulated in 10 years every single one of them will be cheaper to buy priced in hours of median wage labor needed to buy them.
But I will not make that bet on anything government subsidized or heavily regulated.
Are you ignorant of history ? Had the US stayed out of WWI though the British and French would have ultimately won, there would have been a reasonably negotiated peace and WWII never would have happened.
American soldiers served with honor and distinction in WWI. But our political leaders like Wilson’s decision to drag the US into WWI resulted in WWII and massive global destruction and death.
The US history of intervention int he world is a horrible record. Not something we should celebrate. ‘
As to the US military – absolutely we have the best military that massive amounts of money can buy.
US military spending is about 45% of the military spending of the entire rest of the world. It is as much as the top 20 other countries combined. We could spend 1/3 what we do today and still spend much more than any other country. And still have the best military in the world.
John for God’s sake can you stop being trolled and spewing all this liberterian stuff and worry about the mess that lies right in front of our eyes?
https://twitter.com/BuckSexton/status/1314680004584800262?s=20
OLBERMAN WANTS TO LOCK US UP JUST FOR SUPPORTING TRUMP!
he’s a nut but not a lone nut. he’s an influential tv host and Democrat party cheerleader
Trust me John, if it all jumps off, you better lose that liberterian stuff and get shoulder to shoulder with regular folks and do whatever it takes to survive
“called on the current director, Dr. Robert R. Redfield, to admit…”
Head of CDC Admits Lockdown Killing Way More Americans Than COVID
How long will America be held hostage by the Democrat media complex? They are killing us.
Head of CDC Admits Lockdown Killing Way More Americans Than COVID! Urges Masks. When Will These People Be Held Accountable for the Carnage They’ve Caused?
CDC director Robert Redfield dropped some bombshell news during a talk he gave two weeks ago. But despite its significance, hardly anyone knows about the sickening bit of data he let slip:
“We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from Covid. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose, that are above excess, than we had as background, than we are seeing deaths from Covid.”
Let that sink in. Even Redfield admits lockdowns are now killing at least two times the number of Americans as COVID-19.
Dozens of media outlets did run stories on his talk the very same day. But some, like the Washington Post, neglected to even mention this appalling disclosure at all. Among those that did report that Redfield and Fauci’s cure is now killing at least twice as many Americans as the disease, none made it the focus of their story. Instead, every single headline mentioned something else Redfield had said: …
His remark wasn’t a confession at all. It was closer to a threat.
Continued: https://gellerreport.com/2020/07/cdc-chief-lockdowns-more-deadly-than-covid.html/
Allan either never read the original transcript or is too dishonest to admit that Redfield’s comment was about deaths of high school students, not Americans in general. He was asked about schools, and he said “there has been another cost that we’ve seen, particularly in high schools. We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from COVID. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose that are above excess that we had as background than we are seeing the deaths from COVID.”
Allan is a liar when he says that “Redfield admits lockdowns are now killing at least two times the number of Americans as COVID-19.”
Anonymous the Stupid, you only look at the seen and forget about the unseen. That makes you even more Stupid.
What is it in the comments from the Geller Report that you dispute. Everything I quoted, only a small part of the article, was true. Redfield said a lot more but you don’t like it when I post the entire article.
I will quote Redfield from the article: ““We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from Covid. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose, that are above excess, than we had as background, than we are seeing deaths from Covid.”
That is admission enough. The author took a prerogative that likely wasn’t far off. I will state my own opinion. The number of life years lost from Covid is small compared to the number of life years lost by the lockdown which is probably many multiples.
No one has accurate numbers (though you accept opinion rather than fact all the time) and all numbers are slanted one way or the other, but we are able to see trends of deaths that exceed prior years. What we can calculate is the approximate years of life lost from Covid and compare that to the results of the lockdown. The lockdown is causing the loss of many more life years than Covid itself. I don’t think many scientists would agree with your facts.
Allan again resorts to the same go-to trolling strategy of omitting part of the quote to change what it seems to say. Redfield was talking about high schools in the quote. Allan is lying when he says that “Redfield admits lockdowns are now killing at least two times the number of Americans as COVID-19.” Most Americans aren’t in high school.
Anonymous is a cry baby and dishonest. I provided my personal opinion which I note he didn’t dispute. The number of years lost is remarkably low based on the numbers. That so happens to be the important issue for both managing the virus and assessing the damage being done.
Anonymous can’t deal with real issues. They require intellect and anonymous treats intellect like he would treat rat poison.
“Allan either never read the original transcript”
Anonymous is always accusing others of doing exactly what he does. After a long discussion on Masks where Anonymous couldn’t provide the information or correct information I finally decided to stop playing cat and mouse and provided him with the WHO analysis (nearly a book in size) that actually discussed all the things he wrongfully claimed. It even discussed the meta-analysis he probably was referencing but could never produce. I note that afterwards he did produce a meta-analysis in his discussion with John. I think it was the same one.
Anonymous is a charlatan who hides behind multiple aliases but I think most intelligent people have recognized that for a long time
Allan continues to rant about Anonymous:
“Anonymous is a charlatan who hides behind multiple aliases but I think most intelligent people have recognized that for a long time”
Get over it.
Allan doesn’t want to get over it. He enjoys disparaging people, he enjoys lying about people, he enjoys straw man arguments. He wants attention. He wants to annoy people. Allan’s a troll.
This is anonymous talking to itself again. it’s pathetic. He wants group therapy so Anonymous creates a group. Doesn’t it realize how foolish this makes it sound?
Get over what? That you are a charlatan and a liar? What do I have to get over. It is what it is. You are the one with the problem.
Are you really arguing that it is only the lockdown of schools that is causing more deaths ?
If you are then – lets reopen all the schools NOW – the SCIENCE says that is what we must do.
Why are you fighting the SCIENCE ?
Are you a flat earther ? Are you some troglodyte that does not accept the SCIENCE ?
John, do you understand how quotation marks work?
I have zero interest in your style critique.
That would explain why you confused the person who was quoted and the person doing the quoting.
The error you claim I made and quotation style have nothing to do with each other.
Regardless your claim is hillarious from someone deliberately posting in a way that they will with certainty be confused with others.
You are entitled to be anonymous, but so long as you are you can never be uniquely anonymous.
This is why even our founders used psuedonyms
Other thoughts from the Geller article.
…You see, that same day the CDC had started their push for mandatory masks off with a press release”call[ing] on all Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread.” It mentioned two studies allegedly showing the effectiveness of masks but entirely ignored the volume of scientific evidence that they don’t do a damn thing.
The CDC’s own prior conclusion that masks are ineffective against influenza was also swept under the rug.
Of course, the CDC’s press release also skipped over the inconvenient fact that, just like the deadly state-enforced social isolation they pushed, even if masks do slow down the spread of COVID-19 they still won’t do a thing to decrease the number of people ultimately infected.
As the Senior Director of Infection Prevention at Johns Hopkins Medical School and a host of other experts have explained, the point of “flattening the curve” is to get “the same large number of patients arrived at the hospital at a slower rate.”
Let that sink in.
Not fewer infections, the same large number.
A link to the actual meta study by the CDC.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
Meanwhile:
“In the Sept. 23 letter, obtained and published Tuesday evening by USA Today, Dr. Foege, who served as director of the C.D.C. under former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, called on the current director, Dr. Robert R. Redfield, to admit to the administration’s failures or risk presiding over the ruin of the public health agency’s reputation, and his own….”
Foege’s letter notes the ruining of the CDC’s former reputation as the world’s preeminent institution for research and combating of pandemics to now tarnished failure due to the administration’s politicalization as well as it’s failure to devise a federal response with instead the chaos of 50 state responses.
The letter, meant to be personal, is alarming.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7222830-Foege-Letter.html
Might want to fix your headline as it makes no sense as written. Did you mean “Tie Trump to Russia” instead of Lie Trump to Russia?”
The Clintonistas and their ilk make the Borgias look quaint, by comparison.
I wouldn’t believe anything that cam out of this Administration. They phony up videos. Generating phony memories and notes would be no problem. The Steel Dosier was a project intimate by a Republican! https://www.dispatch.com/opinion/20190425/letter-steele-dossier-began-as-republican-project
When is Trump going to stop running against Hillary?
So the Clinton campaign tried to bring up a real scandal in order to help int he election? So what? Trump did, and still does, have ties to Russia and we know that Russia did actively help Trump win. The only part that is unknown is if the Trump campaign was coordinating with Russia during the campaign. Ya, there may have been missteps in the investigation, but the underlying facts are true.
“we know that Russia did actively help Trump win.”
Who is this imaginary “we”?
Apparently you are unaware that Mueller’s prosecutors dropped their case against the 13 Russians, and it was dismissed.
Of course if the only place you get your news is from the MSM you wouldn’t know about that. Which speaks to JT’s point perfectly.
The Muller Report, and the Senate Report both clearly said that the Russians were actively helping Trump. Russians meddling in our election is a big deal and should disturb the hell out of everyone.
“the Russians were actively helping Trump”
You just can’t let your fantasy go.
As these notes clearly show, it was all about Clinton hurting Trump, not Russians helping Trump.
And your silence about China is duly noted, “Patriot”.
“we” would be the GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee which verified and elaborated on the Meuller Report findings on collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. You know, the stuff the campaign – including Trump in his made up story about the Trump Tower meeting – lied about repeatedly.
The real Joe Friday would be concerned about China’s election interference.
But you’re the joe friday with severe PTS.
We have approximately 3 months before the next president takes the oath of office. If that is Biden, rest assured Durham’s investigation will be shut down by the next AG, any charges already leveled will be dismissed, and media will be complicit in burying the story in the news graveyard. As for me I’ve lost all trust in both the government and media. I single out the NY Times and Wapo specifically because these two were once the gold standard of news organizations. They disgust me now.
With my apologies to Ed Ames…
‘I don’t remember if it was September- perhaps July, no wait-October
I don’t remember who told me to tender top secret emails to my private server
Was it Colin, or Condi, or Madeleine… George P or Henry or Christopher Warren?
Oh, but now I remember who told me, it was John Foster Dulles!
Fix the headline. It appears to be manipulated.
Journalism is dead.
And there in a nutshell we see the moral bankruptcy of the left.
Watch the usual lefties respond with their “but Trump…” As they try to excuse their failings by pointing at Trump’s failings.
No. Each side has to own up to their wrongs.
The Dems, aided by intelligence assets and the FBI, attempted a coup.
And the lies and allegations made by Trump against anyone and everyone who doesn’t kiss his rump, go unpublished in Foxnews, Washington Times, etc. There is no absolutely unbiased media. There are two political/ideological camps and each has its media. That’s the way of the world Turley, you right wing Trump shill.
“That’s the way of the world”
What an ignorant statement.
JT is talking about the “way” journalists and journalism is supposed to work, and your only reaction is that pathetic excuse.
If stuff worked the way it was supposed to work then Turley would be posting more about what a liar, cheat, thief, and buffoon Trump is. Turley would be posting right wing transgressions of the sort in which he is locked as well as left wing stuff. Turley is a shill for Trump and the Republicans. His token postings are pablum and rare. As far as the media being biased, that is the way the world works. What’s pathetic is that you are so obtuse to accept this lopsided perspective spewed by Turley and lapped up by most of the participants of this blog. What is ignorant is you with your head screwed on backwards. Wake up and read the media from both sides. Notice, if you are capable, that Turley rarely focuses on the biggest offenders to what he champions, Foxnews, Washington Times. It’s always the NYTimes and WAPO. They fall short of an unbiased media but are nowhere near as biased as the right wing rags.
First, apologize to President Trump and the American people for supporting the Democrat/Russia collusion coup. Then and only then should we move on to your next disastrous, false allegation. We may even find a moment for this bs.
The GOP led Senate Intelligence Committee confirmed the numerous instances of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, which starting from the beginning they all lied about, including the President,
From the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee:
“We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/rubio-statement-senate-intel-release-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
And with the latest evidence uncovered, you are lying.
Try again.
Olly, your puerile commands are amusing.
Anonymous calls Olly’s response puerile as he hides himself behind an anonymous alias blaming everyone else for his failures. Anonymous, ‘the dog ate my homework’. Alternatively he posts over and over again and says, ‘I have to be right because so many agree with me.’ Puerile? That’s anonymous!
I am truly sorry that Trump exists. The obtuse and regressive minority that he represents comes with the territory. However, Trump is a disgrace, an aberration, America’s shame. To those that support this poltroon, GFYS.
what does GFYS mean Isaac? i can guess but why not spell it out. chicken?
Very uncivil and rude this Isaac
I am truly sorry that Trump exists.
Well duh. It’s a reality that you and your ilk have yet to accept; just like the facts and evidence that prove he has been right all along. You’ve been wrong for 4 years and you will likely continue to live in denial during President Trump’s next term as our President of the United States. So once again…
First, apologize to President Trump and the American people for supporting the Democrat/Russia collusion coup. Then and only then should we move on to your next disastrous, false allegation. We may even find a moment for this bs.
That would be about half the country.
This is the Trump the left doesn’t want anyone to see because they are elitists and Trump is not. This is from a 2019 article in the Washington Post. It is quite different than the lies stated by the left on this blog and elsewhere.
Forwarded from an article:
Biden Emerges as A Country-Club Snob, Hypocrite
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“Trump was shut out of all the private clubs, the heart of Palm Beach social life. … So Trump opened Mar-a-Lago as a private club in 1995. Unlike the Everglades or Bath and Tennis clubs, which did not admit Jewish members, and the Palm Beach Country Club, which admitted wealthy Jews, Mar-a-Lago was open to anyone. ‘Basically, he didn’t care who came in as long as they could pay for it,’ explains a Palm Beach social expert.”
The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”
It’s the same story in New York City, where Trump made money developing, managing, or operating mostly condominium buildings in Manhattan — apartments for people with money but without the references or pedigree or patience for co-op buildings and their arcane interview and approval processes.
The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”
Allan is so sick with TDS that he thinks Trump isn’t an elitist. Hahahahaha!
He isn’t.
This is the Trump the left doesn’t want anyone to see because they are elitists and Trump is not. This is from a 2019 article in the Washington Post. It is quite different than the lies stated by the left on this blog and elsewhere.
Forwarded from an article:
Biden Emerges as A Country-Club Snob, Hypocrite
—
“Trump was shut out of all the private clubs, the heart of Palm Beach social life. … So Trump opened Mar-a-Lago as a private club in 1995. Unlike the Everglades or Bath and Tennis clubs, which did not admit Jewish members, and the Palm Beach Country Club, which admitted wealthy Jews, Mar-a-Lago was open to anyone. ‘Basically, he didn’t care who came in as long as they could pay for it,’ explains a Palm Beach social expert.”
The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”
It’s the same story in New York City, where Trump made money developing, managing, or operating mostly condominium buildings in Manhattan — apartments for people with money but without the references or pedigree or patience for co-op buildings and their arcane interview and approval processes.
The Washington Post article continued: “Trump’s open-door policy — his was the first club to accept African Americans and openly gay couples — began the slow process to diversify other clubs in town.”
Isaac insults the blog host rather than thanking him for providing a free forum for our conversations. How rude this Isaac! & ungrateful
This was clearly released at this time for political purposes
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Think about that: the Director of National Intelligence is releasing information to help Trump with the election.
He has abandoned his oath of office and should be fired, though Trump won’t do that because he wants the election help and may even have told Ratcliffe to help him.
The only problem I see with the release timing is it should have been done early on so the entire group of conspirators could have been placed under arrest for a coup attempt. This fraud was perpetrated on the citizens of the United States for 4 years. Remember Adam Schiff and Smallballs had all the proof, Spartacus coined the “Russia Russia Russia”, Pelosi still can’t get before a camera without bringing up Russia. So yes the timing sucks it should have been done earlier and shut the mouths of a number of posters here who bought the BS.
No, you are wrong. NOTHING will ever shut the mouths of the posters here who bought the BS. Those who are nothing but DNC shills would still be saying the same thing, and those others who bought it are simply brain-dead Democrats, who are incapable of assimilating information counter to the DNC Narrative.
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I doubt it could be done earlier. Getting this redacted and declassified was likely damn near impossible.
There is a clear implication in these notes that CIA has highly placed sources in the kremlin.
Even officially hinting at that is dangerous – for them and for the US.
WE have a conflict between teh legitimate need to know of misconduct by our government, and the need to protect sources for national security reasons.
“the Director of National Intelligence is releasing information”
In light of the fact that it was the DNI, CIA, and NSA, (not “all” of the intel agencies) who originally claimed that they had intelligence tying the Trump campaign to Russia, your objection to the DNI “releasing information” in that regard is incredibly hypocritical.
It is also a sure sign that you have no real interest in national security as you and your fellow PTS sufferers claimed repeatedly for 27 months during the Mueller investigation. As if your collective silence about China’s interference in the upcoming election wasn’t enough proof of that reality.
Rhodes is using one of his trolling strategies where he cuts off the key part of a sentence and pretends the person only said the part that Rhodes wants to focus on.
The current Director of National Intelligence is releasing information to help Trump with the election.
In the 2016 election, the DNI, CIA, and NSA did not release information to help anyone win. McConnell refused to even make a bipartisan announcement about Russian interference prior to the election.
Anonymous, you are posting up a storm early in the day while continuously calling everyone else a troll.
You also lie and are a hypocrite. Do you know what a leak is?
Anonymous is also accusing other of “Rhodes is using one of his trolling strategies where he…” which is precisely what Anonymous does and then blames someone else. What an absolute hypocrite.
Anonymous the Stupid still believes the Steele Dossier was totally legitimate. This demonstrates its lack of intellectual muster.
What it forgets is that a lot of this is based on the transcripts from the participants along with hand written notes.
Allan again uses one of his go-to attack strategies, where he pretends to read someone’s mind and makes a claim about what the person believes, when the person hasn’t said anything like that, and then Allan attacks the person on the basis of Allan’s own invention. This is one of the many strategies that Allan uses as part of his trolling.
I am not reading anyone’s mind. I heard what Anonymous said on the blog and so did others. Are you going to claim it was the other Anonymous? That is why you stay Anonymous so you claim some other entity said it and you can also under the Anonymous moniker pat yourself on the back.
I don’t read minds but Anonymous has been caught by multiple people reading minds all the time.
Rather than telling me what you beleive about Allan – how about some examples demonstrating what you claim ?
Facts, logic, reason – arguments.
Not naked assertion.
You do not have enough credibility to be beleived because you say something.
Actually I think that claim by Turley is week.
It has taken Trump almost 3 years to gain enough control of DOJ/CIA/FBI/DNI to stop them from hiding damning documents.
The information in this document is very damning, but as Turley properly notes – it is also near certain highly classified.
It is near certain that the CIA has one or more highly placed sources that provided this information.
On the one hand the public has a right to know that Clinton was colluding with Russina spies to frame Trump.
On the other the CIA sources absolutely need to be protected.
This has been a problem with the whole mess from the begining.
Alot of malfeasance has been going on.
And from Rosenstein to now, those engaged in it have used sometimes legitimate and often illegitimate claims of national security to prevent the release of this information.
The CIA has flubbed a lot of things. They didn’t recognize Covid in China or the fact that China was buying huge amounts of PPE equipment or even note the air and land traffic was altered in China due to Covid. That was their job. They failed because they were breaking the law and trying to alter the politics of the nation. Except for human life and the most classified details the CIA must be stripped so the public can view what they did and weed out those responsible and those that closed their eyes. The same goes for the FBI. I am not even sure either organization should exist in their present form. History tells us that we will not be defeated from the outside in rather the inside out.
CIA missed the collapse of the Soviet Union. Talk about a big fail
Democrats spend 2+ years using levers of federal government to slander and handicap a Republican administration. That’s not politics? Republicans reveal what happened – oh, that’s politics?
The oath that was abandoned was abandoned by Obama Biden who participated by knowing about actions taking place. The executive branch is under the control of the politicians that won office, Obama and Biden. But from all the corruption we are seeing that surrounds Biden this newest element of corruption shouldn’t be surprising.
The Steele Dossier was created in the IC. That was done to help Hillary win but you never mention anything about that. You are a hypocrite, Stupid and a liar.