“Not Pro-Black”: Wisconsin Students Unanimously Vote To Remove Lincoln Statue As Racist

We previously discussed the effort at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to have the famous statue of Abraham Lincoln removed as racist.  The student government has now voted unanimously in favor of a resolution that calls for the removal of the Abraham Lincoln statue on campus. The students declared that the president who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, advocated for the 13th Amendment, and led the war against the South and slavery was “not pro-Black” and a “remnant of White Supremacy.”  That would likely have come as something of a surprise to John Wilkes Booth.One issue that was raised by the students is that Lincoln ordered the execution of 38 Dakota men and signed the Homestead Act, which gave settlers land forcibly taken from Native Americans.

1904paintingAttackNewUlmAntonGagAs I previously discussed, Lincoln’s role in the Dakota executions is legitimately controversial but has been presented without some countervailing facts.  The Sioux or Dakota uprising occurred not long after Minnesota became a state and involved the death of hundreds of settlers.  The Army crushed the Sioux and captured hundreds.  A military tribunal sentenced 303 to death for alleged crimes against civilians and other crimes.  The trial itself was a farce with no real representation or reliable evidence.  Lincoln reviewed the transcripts of the 303 and told the Senate:

“Anxious to not act with so much clemency as to encourage another outbreak on one hand, nor with so much severity as to be real cruelty on the other, I ordered a careful examination of the records of the trials to be made, in view of first ordering the execution of such as had been proved guilty of violating females.”

However, only two men were found guilty of rape and Lincoln later expanded the criteria to include those who participated in “massacres” of civilians as opposed to battles with the Army.

Lincoln however commuted the sentence of 264 of the 303 convicted.

This is not the first time Lincoln has faced the ire of some in Wisconsin. When Lincoln called the nation to war against the South, many in Wisconsin did not support the cause and rioted against Lincoln.  Ultimately, however, Wisconsin sent multiple regiments who fought valiantly in the War and sacrificed much to defeat both the South and slavery.

Having a statue to a leader like Lincoln is not an endorsement of his entire legacy. I have heavily criticized Lincoln for the unconstitutional suspension of habeas corpus and the loss of free speech rights as well as other decisions.  We learn from such public memorials, which can be augmented with a more full historical context and criticism.  However, to say that Lincoln is a symbol of white supremacy ignores his pivotal role in fighting slavery, a cause for which he would ultimately give his own life.

Here is the  petition in support of keeping the statue where it is if you want to support Old Abe.

125 thoughts on ““Not Pro-Black”: Wisconsin Students Unanimously Vote To Remove Lincoln Statue As Racist”

  1. All the problems of our day can be rectified by proper social organization. But it must be effective and determined and ever more stern, laconic, and fierce

    There is a lot of work to do. And if we can’t turn out the vote to re-elect Trump, which is not that hard of a work, then the tougher work is unlikely to be accomplished either.

    But likelihoods are all bunk compared to human will. Will makes all the difference, and the will of people well organized, is the strongest power on Earth

  2. Obama was half White. Tear down any statues and tear up any photos of him.
    The all white jury agrees.
    So does the all Black jury. So does the half and half jury.

  3. Oh and on the issue of “pro-black” why is that a prerequisite now? What does that mean exactly? Pro-black people (one would think the Emancipation Proclamation handles that)? Pro-black culture? Pro-black the color? I think it simply means Pro-radical.

    This is what happens when mush head administrators run the place and let mush heads students rule. It’s also why the world will always be governed by intellectual hierarchies in the first world societies whether these Red Guard students like it or not. They’d also better get used to that heavy, ubiquitous societal question: “Do you want fries with that?”

  4. Denying and then erasing your history is like cutting the limb you’re standing on from the skinny side. Here’s hoping for an abrupt stop on these infants’ free fall.

  5. Lincoln was not perfect. No man is but I would put up his record, especially when taken in the context of his times, against any other President.
    I would certainly place him far above FDR in almost every aspect we use to measure man’s greatness, with the exceptions of family wealth and formal education.

    1. ti317, your comment is short, concise and 100% correct. It is easy to compare Lincoln to people of today, but instead of “easy” call it what it is…simplistic.

      By the left’s standards we shall have no study of the ancient Greeks, Romans or Egyptians. We shall consider Aristotle, Socrates and Plato as only men that allowed a society with slaves. We will demand that the pyramids be torn down. Geez, even the color blind words of MLK will render him evil.

  6. Well, I’m just a Texas housewife, but what seems fair to me, and in the spirit of retroactivity, is to immediately invalidate the Emancipation Proclamation and reinstate all blacks as slaves. There, is that better?

      1. I’m surprised people have not given Cindy a lot of likes, given that most of us are in favor of protecting property rights, and I assume the slave-owners were not adequately compensated and felt defrauded.
        If so, perhaps the idea has some merit after all.
        What fascinates me is that there appears to be a cut-off date (1619) beyond which you cannot feel aggrieved that your ancestors were enslaved. I assume that is because the word “slaves” comes from the name for “Slav,” so not to have a cut-off date would create problems, given that the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians, Turks, and other ancient and medieval peoples enslaved people, perhaps because they were labor-intensive societies and Lincoln hadn’t been born yet.
        Modern slavery got its start in the eastern Mediterranean with the growth of plantation economies, and the original slaves were not black; they were Christians and Muslims who had the misfortune of being captured during the religious wars which began in 700 or so and lasted until 1492 in Spain and a bit longer elsewhere.
        The serfs in Russia were only freed in 1861, two years before Lincoln signed the proclamation freeing the slaves in the US. Many serfs in southern and western Europe were not freed until after 1800, some in the 1840s and 1870s, others after the Ottoman Empire disppeared.
        Serfs were tied to the land, so they were more or less the property of the person who owned the land. In Russia, they could be sold, but they could also own serfs. The sad reality is that most Europeans and Asians and Africans were subject to some sort of enslavement, whatever its name, including the peasants who were subject to corvee and the petty criminals who ended up as galley slaves. Then there are the wage-slaves, a related but slightly different type of slave.
        Maybe we should also distinguish those blacks whose ancestors sold other blacks into slavery from those blacks whose ancestors were sold, so we can exclude the former from any reparations to the latter, as well as the descendants of all those other non-blacks whose ancestors were enslaved.
        It also occurs to me that if we want to show solidarity with the descendants of slaves, we should be pro-Slav and, by extension, pro-Russian and maybe even pro-European, and that we should exempt all Slavs and other Europeans whose ancestors were serfs or indentured servants or rowed galleys or had to give the local Lord the right of first night from paying reparations to the descendents of other slaves and stop trying to make them feel bad about not being black.
        I doubt the students who voted to trash Lincoln’s statue have read much history, which may not be STEM, but can sometimes be useful to help understand why the world is the way it is.

  7. Well heck! Already losing comments. Guess I will have to start copying to word processor again. Anyway:

    Don’t you just loooovvvee Democrats! We need to vote for Joe Biden sooo we can more stuff like this!

    Soon, we will all be living in Paradise like they do in Poor City, oops I mean San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  8. If the polls are to be believed and this is the mentality that will prevail come next week’s elections.

    1. Polls are lies. But it is close. GET OUT AND VOTE


  9. As always, why do we have ‘student government’? It’s such humbug, and it rests on corruption, namely the exaction from students of mandatory fees.

  10. The character of the young seems to go through unpredictable improvement and decay. There’s a critical mass who are full of themselves but lacking any real understanding of their own times much less any other times.

  11. One issue that was raised by student is that Lincoln ordered the execution of 38 Dakota men and signed the Homestead Act, which gave settlers land forcibly taken from Native Americans.

    Properly delineated allodial rights did not exist at that time in the old west. Your statement is an anachronism.

    That aside, the aboriginals occupying the land and using it when the white man arrived had indubitably acquired their franchise from evicting the previous occupants.

  12. How moronic of those students. Lincoln and Grant should have statues in every single town in the US.

    The only bad thing Lincoln ever did was be in the Rethuglican Party. I’m sure he had no idea of how bad his party would inevitably become.

    Still, those students are ridiculous.

    1. I see what you did there. The same thing that the MSM does when Biden supporters loot and burn down buildings calling them “mostly peaceful protests”.

  13. Undergrads are resembling two year olds throwing a terrible twos tantrum more than ever with each news cycle. We’ve all been 18 and think we know everything, think our youth makes us smarter by far than anyone over 25. It’s all part of growing up, but sadly too many never complete the cycle,.

  14. Agreed, we’re coming up short on context in many situations, Turley. It tends to happen during times of the absurd. To constantly point to the reaction is another short sighted symptom though…, there is much inflamatory cause for the absurdity we see and to gloss it over is doubly mistaken…

    Looking forward to an inventory of the glaring input of the right, and trumpism, towards current absurdism on the heels of your boy taking a hard L next week.

  15. The consequences of years of pushing agendas, instead of a proper education. The shear lack of any common sense and education in so many spoiled lazy brats and the level that spineless, educated adults bow down kissing the feet of, is absolutely mind boggling.
    All to achieve the proverbial check mark or thumbs up, each one garnering their Overlords yet another dollar richer, while the masses scavenge for their own self inflicted lack of. Genius!
    A volcano can only handle so much pressure, before it erupts.

  16. This is exactly what happens when students are ignorant and choose virtue signaling over knowledge. If the University allows this travesty they will loose the support of many thousands of alumni and the community. Oh hell, let’s just close the university to undergraduate students and only coddle to graduate students, the undergraduates students aren’t getting much anyway in a place that indoctrinates them and puts their emotional virtue signaling over everything else.

    1. If these virtue signaling twits want a fight, they’re gonna get one!

      If the students get this statue removed Madison, WI and Dane county should boycott all things related to the University, businesses and suppliers should shut their doors to supplies and services to the University of Wisconsin Madison and its students in protest.

      It’s time to stand up against this virtue signaling crap!!!

      1. It is long last time to stand up against emotionally driven destruction of our country. What exactly does a twenty year o,d know about anything? Yet, we have blindly been complicit in turning over our country to inexperienced, indoctrinated children. I guess we are going to reap what we have sown. These children are also going to vote in hoards this election and it will put Biden in the WH. Saving a Lincoln statue will be the least of our worries when that happens. Guess I better hone up on my raised fist salute.


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